🔌│tech

[astral haven]

Alright

[fair gull]

they have like 128kb program memory

[astral haven]

Last question
Fpga?

[fair gull]

its an atxmega128

same chip since w1

[astral haven]

Fpga in the future?

[fair gull]

prob arm

fpga is kinda impractical

i assume u mean custom fpga

[astral haven]

Nah
I mean an open source fpga

Also
Custom fpga???

The point of fpga is that it's off the shelf

[fair gull]

u still have to design it urself

[astral haven]

Yes and no

[fair gull]

dont think anyone provides opensource keyboard fpga files

[astral haven]

Yes you have to program the fpga

[fair gull]

usually what id call designing it

cause u pmuch design a chip

want a very expensive not gate?

buy an fpga

also unsure if anyone of the woots knows verilog

[astral haven]

Ok that's fair
But more Io and faaaaast

Pretty sure ice studio allows you to write in c

[fair gull]

imo doing an emulation on the fpga to construct hardware packets etc

is really garbage

;just get a real good arm chip

prob way faster

[astral haven]

What fpga?

[fair gull]

no the arm chip

[astral haven]

Because any fpga meant to drive displays is gonna be so much faster than anything arm...

[fair gull]

an fpga will prob beat anything at like 1 very specific task but the mcu/proc on the keyboard does so many things

it would just be slow compared to a normal mcu/soc/proc on the keeb

[astral haven]

Nah

[fair gull]

maybe to combine all the keys

into 1 output

but otherwise the fpga will just suck

i guarantee it

[astral haven]

Fpgas are always faster than general purpose compute

Or they aren't large enough for the task

[fair gull]

show me one example

of an fpga doing mcu stuff

faster than the mcu

[fickle ore]

Technically not true unless they're synced and I dont know any keyboard to sync scanning and polling ratem thus 0-2 ms delay :>

[astral haven]

Not how that works

[fickle ore]

exactly how it works

[astral haven]

Desyncing probably adds 3-5ns of delay lmao

NS

[fickle ore]

Syncing can be done to 1-10µs level of accuracy, and having the scan be that much ahead of each poll. Much harder for keyboards than mice tho.

[fair gull]

so back to fpgas... id say ud get a max of like 800-900mhz and on a good arm u can get almost triple that so even if the code was garbage ud still be 1.5x faster than a very well optimized fpga

[astral haven]

The point is that fpgas usually don't get used as mcus because better tools
But the wooting doesn't need an mcu trchnically

[fair gull]

how tf do u receive commands for rpg and shit

[astral haven]

Program the fpga

[fair gull]

ya

lets implement multiple algos

for input of hid commands

out put of hid commands

[astral haven]

There are logic blocks for USB already

Prebuilt

[fair gull]

and obviously somehow assembling and disassembling the received commands

[fair gull]

how fast do those run

[astral haven]

Yup
And that can be done in the analog domain

Full speed on my $35 dev kit lol

[fair gull]

whats full speed

[astral haven]

480mbps

[fair gull]

give me the GHz numbers

[astral haven]

480mhz I think?

[fair gull]

so

less efficient

[astral haven]

Ah but how many cycles does your mcu take to process the packet?

I'll give you a hint it's more than 1...

[fair gull]

it will take ur fpga the same time

to randomly assemble a package

[astral haven]

Why?

[fair gull]

because unlike a cpu the fpga doesnt have an instructionset

its gates

[astral haven]

If it can be done in the analog domain then it doesn't need to

[fair gull]

it still has to assemble data

[astral haven]

Welll

[fair gull]

usb isnt analog

afaik

[astral haven]

It's luts attached via gates

The way modern fpgas work is you program the luts and the gates

The luts can be digital

Gates can be analog but the luts are digital

[fair gull]

also ud then need to somehow emulate the bootloader of the keyboard

[astral haven]

I mean obviously you can output a lut into a dac and you get digital

[fair gull]

where it decides if ure going to flashmode or normal mode

[astral haven]

Eh plenty of off the shelf solutions for that

Like the one that comes with my fpga lmao

[fair gull]

so suddenly we move from c code to an fpga that MIGHT be efficiently programable with c

more problems than solutions for bootroms, eeprom acess etc

[astral haven]

Oh no it would be a big pain

But scanrate would be in the hundreds of ns

It would be a colossal pita lmao

[fair gull]

the scanrate on the mcu in woot includes assembling the usb packet

to be ready for poll

[astral haven]

That cannot be that tough with luts

[fair gull]

ill still say the arm cpu will be shit tons faster

most of the stuff is 1 cycle things

and the package assembly would take some real load sure

[astral haven]

You can assemble the USB packet in one cycle?

[fair gull]

but with multiple GHz at the disposal of the cpu thats kinda mute argument wise

[fair gull]

literally just said its not

[astral haven]

Do you know how fast it is?

[fair gull]

a modern arm cpu?

[astral haven]

The USB packet assembly

[fair gull]

depends on how exactly you assemble it

[astral haven]

Way it's currently done I guess (in tachyon mode if thats any different)

[fair gull]

fresh or overwrite previous data that changed

idk the exact code

but id guess it uses some premade lib so prob fresh packet from the ground up

[astral haven]

But like its solidly in the microseconds right?

[fair gull]

on the current mcu prob

idk how many instructions are used for it exactly

like i said dont have the mcu code

[astral haven]

Do you know on average how big a packet is?

[fickle ore]

takes about 1ms for ps/2

[astral haven]

Not how that works

[fickle ore]

faster for usb 😉

[fair gull]

psure hid packets are 1kb

altho u can have multi packets in special cases

so multiple 1kb packets

[astral haven]

The minimum size for a hid packet is 2 bytes

[fair gull]

so u only send like the 2keys pressed

and disregard the rest

welcome to lower than low speed usb

high speed usb usually has 1kb

[astral haven]

Aight I'll do the math for that

1kb

[fickle ore]

usb can prob fit all the scancodes on a keyboard in a single packet

[fair gull]

theoretically could

but thanks to compat no one does

[fickle ore]

ps/2 has to send two packets for some scancodes iirc and it takes much longer to create/send them

[fair gull]

ps2 can just fuck the cpu tho

and smack it to process the shit

[astral haven]

For nkro you send a bit mask of the pressed keys

[fickle ore]

but it doesn't, because the update rate is 250hz 😄

[astral haven]

It messes up the CPU in other ways

[fair gull]

hid packets dont just have keys tho

[astral haven]

Assuming it's 1 lut per cycle my fpga could generate USB packets at 1mhz using 10% of it's luts

And 1 lut per cycle is worst case perfectly serial

Like fpgas are faaaast

[fickle ore]

@astral haven In wooting's case the bottleneck is the adc conversion prob

[astral haven]

You might need an mcu just to control the fpga but shhh that just can use the cheapest mcu available

Adc is really the huge advantage of the fpga

[fair gull]

also weird that no one of the big players used fpgas if they are so godly as you think they are

[astral haven]

Fpgas are harder to code and mcus are fast enough ™️

[fair gull]

except that have keyboards with 8khz poll

so u damn well expect that at some point now or near future the scanrate is close to that

[astral haven]

I mean a keyboard with 8mhz polling would need an fpga or asic

[fair gull]

so far i think they use arm chips

[astral haven]

8khz you mean

[fair gull]

wait what i say

[fickle ore]

@fair gull fpgas on a 8khz? Don't they have bga mcus

[astral haven]

Ofc

Cause mcus are cheap and easy to program relatively speaking

[fair gull]

uh yes cause yes

i mean for all i know carm be the change

make urkickstarter campaign

show them how godly fpgas can be

[fickle ore]

idk whats even a fpga

[astral haven]

An fpga is a circuit that can be reprogrammed

Inside a chip

[fair gull]

show them all the rgb, analog, all sdks and interfaces you could want

[astral haven]

So you can run a CPU inside an fpga if you want

[fair gull]

16khz poll

[astral haven]

I'm gonna make a keyboard with 1mhz scanrate

[fair gull]

do it

ud sell it like hotcakes

cause people want that shit

[fickle ore]

doubt

[astral haven]

Doubt

[fickle ore]

going below 1000µs is kinda meh

[astral haven]

MHz my guy

There you go

[fair gull]

yes it would sell like hotcakes

make a custom driver

with high af poll

and ud be king

cause everyone who plays fortnite buys it

[astral haven]

Pcie keyboard lmao

[fickle ore]

rapid triggerino >

[misty saffron]

and advertise 1 of your cores being raped as a feature

[fair gull]

still think fpgas cant beat an mcu in this application mostly cause a company would have invested the money to beat everyone at gaming hardware

[fair gull]

what core? the one that just got killed?

never heard of the guy.. this has always been a 7core proc

[fickle ore]

@fair gull 1. Not enough switches without debouncerino. 2. Polling been stuck at 1khz. 3. Optimizing your code to run faster is resources 😄

[astral haven]

The debounce is the big problem

[fair gull]

doesnt matter to fortnite players

just needs to be fast

and have red rgb for fps

[astral haven]

Fpgas are very bad at waiting

[fickle ore]

spdt latch switches with a bga mcu ;o

[astral haven]

Also btw you could make a digital keyboard with 200 switches with no scanning using a single fpga that has a unit price of about $10

The PCB would be 3 nightmares and a half but it could function

6 layer PCB for a keyboard just to avoid scanning would be very yikes

[fair gull]

do it

sell hotcake keyboards

make billions

[astral haven]

I mean the wooting keebs are actually practically better than the currently existing options in meaningful ways, and they arent exactly selling tens of millions of units...

[fair gull]

cause not 8khz poll

or 1mhz poll

[astral haven]

Mhm sure

Actually tho why not just allow for 8khz polling and advertise that?

[old marlin]

needs super fast MCUs

[fair gull]

id assume they dont wanna advertise smth thats not supported by the keeb

[old marlin]

M2K MCU for example

is 50-60€ a piece

[astral haven]

Jesus wtf

[old marlin]

• completely different architecture

[astral haven]

Uuuuh

[fair gull]

isnt the m2k arm powered

[astral haven]

Dang then designing a USB hid controller that fits in a $10 fpga actually could be awesome

It's an arm mcu

[fair gull]

like i said

make ur keeb

make millions

and show the big people to move up the game

[astral haven]

Once I'm done with work today I'll get started lol

[old marlin]

Dubno what the one corsair uses costs

Huge fucking thing

[fair gull]

so why didnt zaunkoenig buy this https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/NXP-Semiconductors/MIMXRT1166XVM5A?qs=TuK3vfAjtkVp16k0OOF8ew%3D%3D

800mhz m7

and a secondary core

for like 17bucks

max

[old marlin]

Idk

[astral haven]

Know what model they got?

[old marlin]

W8

[fair gull]

smth smthsmth

[old marlin]

STM32F7

[fair gull]

fitgirl cool

eh

cal has access to like 140tb of games

not like hed care

[astral haven]

Those are mostly sub $20

Cheapest one is like $7

Single unit pricing even

[astral haven]

I'll check which exact model they used after work today

[fair gull]

should really pull more but im just too lazy

[old marlin]

corsair uses the NXP LPC54605J512

super large for a mouse MCU

[wheat plume]

why are there what looks like marker scribbles all over it?

[old marlin]

dunno

prob QC marks or some bs

idk

I can ask someone lol

[wheat plume]

is that OG black ops?

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/oqg9q2buw58m.png

oof

thats the same series as the mouse mcu

180mhz

[old marlin]

just checked, QA and QC marks

[wheat plume]

oohh

[fair gull]

theres a non og blackops?

[wheat plume]

black ops 2 - 3 etc

[fair gull]

uh

it has 2 seperately

[wheat plume]

COD WW2... wut

didnt know that was a thing

[fair gull]

wish i had the time to go through all like

gazillion repacks fitgirl made

and put em up on the thing

(the ones im missing)

[wheat plume]

I want black ops but its 40 euro .-.

[fair gull]

i want blops but it takes 2mins to download

[wheat plume]

wut

[fair gull]

eh id just torrent it with a seedbox

since i have a script to setup rclone mount with my gdrive

so its like an easy down and up kinda deal

thats why u use a seedbox

and pay with some cheap ass crypto

or paysafe

basically a vps for torrenting

and they usually dont need any real details of you

just some payment

which can be basically anything

you can prob find some that take monero

[old marlin]

ew

[fair gull]

ew arm

[old marlin]

mionix "remake" of their lineup

featuring irrelevant PCB upgrades

and uhh

yea that's it

basically

[astral haven]

That's $10...

[empty wren]

What brand are those blue dot mini-microswitches

[old marlin]

good question

[astral haven]

Kailh is what I would guess based on them being the only ones I've seen that use colors...
But that's just a random guesa

[old marlin]

there are so many odd chinese ones out there

definitley not kailh

old ttc logo

[empty wren]

Yeah there is cheap of the cheap switch creamy bottom and black top with a red dot a ton of cheap mice use it.

[old marlin]

and a lot of manufacturers use colors

oh no like

there is at least a dozen different switch manufacturers in random aliexpress mice atm

[astral haven]

For the stem itself?

[old marlin]

yes

[astral haven]

Hunh

[old marlin]

huano and ttc use it as well for example

[astral haven]

Everything I've seen so far have been raw plastic colors outside of the kailhs but guess I haven't been looking very hard

[old marlin]

na

popular one

offered in a whole lineup of different stem and shell color

afaik shell signifies plating with huano + some other specs

not 100% sure on that though

[astral haven]

Hunh

[old marlin]

ttc has color differences in their gold v2 lineup and they are sometimes named by those

basically the only odd one out is omron and cherry

not like cherry is used much in mice

[astral haven]

Guess I've only had omron mice lol

[old marlin]

yea they are SUPER common

but imo the weakest lineup

they only have one decent switch

[empty wren]

Chinese omron I presume edit: screw autocorrect

[old marlin]

moron

there are still a lot of chinese omrons

[astral haven]

I can't confirm or deny the presumption because I never really cared to check

[old marlin]

lol

well

easiest way to know

japanese ones have a grey dot

and say japan on top

besides omron obv

[astral haven]

I don't have photographic memory

[old marlin]

• chinese adds a C after the D2F name

[fair gull]

i mean they also say china on them

so

[old marlin]

not always

[empty wren]

Look here tony

[old marlin]

lol

who ripped the lever off of those

[fair gull]

hmmm

no c

[fair gull]

def chinese

i wish i could find a good supplier for japanese omrons

[old marlin]

lol

[fair gull]

i live of of chinese stuff

[empty wren]

Are those at least 20 million?

[old marlin]

aliexpress

reminds me

[fair gull]

wait ali has them?

[old marlin]

ye

[fair gull]

i never found them

[empty wren]

Use the magnifying glass

[fair gull]

no shit

[empty wren]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqgtQK3

[old marlin]

wtf

who is ripping the levers

and why

are they cheaper in mass?

[empty wren]

I only see them with ripped levers

[old marlin]

https://omronfs.omron.com/en_US/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf

the L at the end means they are supposed to have a lever

lol

just get anything D2F-01F though

end is not super important

[empty wren]

Ah I see so there a model with no lever but the mould still has space for one

[old marlin]

ye they always have

no reason to make 2 different ones

[empty wren]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0trVMx

Those exist too apparently

[fair gull]

thats the ones without lever ye

they also make angled solder legs

[empty wren]

Is good or bad?

I only have soldered straight or round contacts.

[old marlin]

Honeywell ux10c were weird

They had zigzag legs

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/6onsnca43q7d.png

[old marlin]

Got COMPLETELY bought up by now though

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/da3gui9iqwn4.png

i think i know why the levers get ripped off

compared to like 1,40 or so for the d2f-t

which is out of stock

[old marlin]

lol

[old marlin]

make sure what you get is 01f

non f is super heavy

and non 01 is rated for a lot more amps

[fair gull]

was just in general

[old marlin]

will die quicker

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/oomzlpy3oo6g.png

i mean

the 01f lever models

arent much more expensive

still around 40cents

[old marlin]

lol

[fair gull]

so how is a switch with more material cheaper

imma just order 5k of those

pull all the levers off

and make money

[empty wren]

Supply and demand

[fair gull]

printer goes brrrrr

[old marlin]

lol

if you bin them

you can make more

[fair gull]

just ripping the levers off is 2grand

in profit

[old marlin]

lol

binning makes sure you get customers though

[fair gull]

ya but combining both

= max profit

[empty wren]

Do any mice even use the levers?

[old marlin]

no

well

not on those switches at least

[empty wren]

Ah

[old marlin]

there is a mechanism for an optical switch

where one component could be called a leaver ig

dunno why anyone made it

you basically have a light gate

as do most optical switches

but your tactility and element that closes the gate

is a coilspring

that gets pulled up by a magnet

until enough force is on the other end

[empty wren]

All those parts look big compared to the leaf springs makes me wonder why tactility sucks.

[old marlin]

tactility supposedly is alright on them

the steelseries prime lineup uses those

[fair gull]

guess ill live on chinese crap

[empty wren]

At least get some kalihs

[fair gull]

eh now i already have like over 10 of them

only ever need 1 or 2 per year

[old marlin]

lol

I'll get some GM 8.0s later this month

[fair gull]

so lots of time to order proper shit

[old marlin]

and look if they are plated

oh you can also just buy an outright replacement mouse

G90 is a G100s

and like

14€

china only

[fair gull]

but the replacements are cheaper

like tons

[empty wren]

I guess to be fair the difference in microswitches really is not too significant so long as the microswitches are decent.

[fair gull]

idk man

i dont click much

but they easily start double clicking or being stuck after like a year

[empty wren]

And this is why people use other microswitches

Helps especially to Logitech mice

[fair gull]

idk man only ever had the chinese shit

[empty wren]

Well you can try some kalihs at some point

They feel more snappy

When they rebound

[fair gull]

had a really bad experience with kalihs

on a keeb tho

[empty wren]

Which switches?

Also lets move this to #archived_keebs_talk

[fair gull]

i think blackwidow chroma

unsure tho

only remember a green stem

[empty wren]

Oh those are Razer's cheap crap

Kalihs only manufactured it to Razer's demands

[fair gull]

still makes or breaks ur opinion about smth

[empty wren]

:S

[astral haven]

Kailh makes fantastic switches
The box series are just nice

[empty wren]

If anyone was wondering how Microsoft came up with the idea for the stockwallpaper here you go https://youtu.be/8FKtTg5VRSU

[pale sigil]

dats a lot of phone recordings

xD my PIHole blocks xiaomi services so i couldn't wipe me phone

[ashen spindle]

means its working correctly at least

[pale sigil]

xD ye

[fair gull]

whats a pihole

[astral haven]

Dns server that blocks garbage

[reef patrol]

Something people are often told to shut.

[fair gull]

sorry

ill leave

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXlDMaEOlRM

Nostalgia tiem.

Speaking of smol resolutions the other day.

[fair gull]

cough

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/boat-gif-8825532

It's not a problem to discuss the state of DRM on games. Openly admitting to AND showing you are pirating software... I mean... Honestly? 😛

Ugh....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH7eUlri4yM&t=4288s

Also - Chiptunes above that annoying Fitgirl tune any day.

https://tenor.com/view/ted-listen-to-yourself-gif-22210624

[fair gull]

i mean how do you know i dont own them and just have them as backup copies

also

how do u know those arent empty folders

na

thats just

my cp2077 source code

compiles down to garbage

[old marlin]

Now you only require the need to want to play that game

[fair gull]

no this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9STiQ8cCIo0

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/thesimpsons-lisa-dancing-gif-4757176

Playing these with Winamp and Milkdrop was the jam.

[fair gull]

i mean if we move from chiptune to general keygen/crack music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dCPcdpRUkA&t=1s

[reef patrol]

Never heard this one.

But it would be right at home in the Wipeout series xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNq8lqUhoV0

Speaking of which - Such a crime that Sony abandoned the franchise.

[fair gull]

https://soundcloud.com/lobstrokk/lobstrokk-incredim

anyone remember this?

[wheat plume]

noice

[shadow minnow]

Not hard, especially since LiS and LiS BtS were so good, and true colors seem to be taking place in really nice environment

Issue for me is that I want to watch something from it, but want to play it first, but that will be too late since my pc still not here

[wheat plume]

TIL you can't bulk rename in File explorer .-.

I selected a a bunch of files
Clicked rename and it only changed one

[young pecan]

Ok, but how’re you wanting to rename them?

Having 200 files all called renamed_file(1) etc isn’t very useful.

[wheat plume]

The files were "game+random string+(1-9)"
I wanted to rename them in bulk to remove the random string portion of the name

[young pecan]

I mean you’re trying to snip small phrases off file names, no file explorer isn’t going to do that.

[wheat plume]

Yes it does

[crimson wigeon]

But you can, select files, press F2, type in name, it renames all but it's not super useful

[young pecan]

^

[wheat plume]

Nautilus in Linux does bulk rename

[young pecan]

If you want to keep the integrity of the name but remove parts of the string then you need a different program.

Say, something more specifically made for that kind of work.

Say, in an OS like Linux.

[crimson wigeon]

Microsoft does offer a PowerToy that might be of interest however https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/powerrename

[wheat plume]

Welcome to Windows 10: You need third party software for the most random shit

[young pecan]

I know there are a few file explorer replacements that can do it, however.

[wheat plume]

Ohhhh.... PowerToys
I love the launcher those have

[young pecan]

My guy, it’s built around the average usecase. ‘Course you aren’t seeing bulk rename in the default toolkit. :p

How many people even run into this problem?

[wheat plume]

I use it quite often

[young pecan]

You are absolutely not in the intended user pool.

[wheat plume]

The default video player sucks
Can't open .mkv 70% of the time

[young pecan]

C’mon, 80% of the shit you do in Linux is actual magic to your rando that Windows is intended for.

[wheat plume]

Hmm.... Perhaps xd

[ashen spindle]

linux user logic:
windows has a tool they don't need, bloated
windows is lacking something obscure that is easily added, also bad

[crimson wigeon]

Pretty much

[wheat plume]

I find it funny though
Thunar file manager doesn't have bulk rename, it has an optional package you need to run separately to do that
But nautilus, gnome desktop file manager, which tries to have a clean and minimalist UI does have that built in

[young pecan]

Linux is a mess, tbh.

[wheat plume]

Yes it can be

Too many of the same thing :/

[young pecan]

Aye.

I feel like a good portion of using Linux is finding the best version of the same thing you already have.

[wheat plume]

Which is why I stick mostly to gnome desktop app suite
Or the plasma desktop app suite

Depending on what desktop I'm using

Although...
Plasma desktop does integrate gtk apps a fuck ton better than gnome integrates qt apps

[young pecan]

Plasma.

[wheat plume]

Qt apps look horrific in gnome desktop by default

But gtk apps in plasma looks great

Yes.
....

There is already software from stardock to replace the 11 start menu

You can already get and install it

[crimson wigeon]

I want shell replacements to become a thing again

[wheat plume]

They are

The 11 shell is just a skin over 10 anyway

[young pecan]

All I really want out of Win11 is to have the right click menu replaced and updated to feel like Win11.

That's my only major gripe.

[wheat plume]

Hmm?

Oh yeah... You need to right click and click more options to get the windows 10 right click menu

[young pecan]

Yep.

That needs to vanish.

[wheat plume]

.-. nested context menus
WHY??!!!

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/error-windows-windows-error-message-windows-application-error-gif-17157659

[wheat plume]

At least the file explorer is less crappy now

The useless ribbon is gone

And has an icon and ui update

Still not fluent UI though

[young pecan]

I can't comment here.

Already so used to it, anything I say about the ease of use is biased as all fuck.

Fuck, I've fallen into the Sibelius nightmare. ._.

[wheat plume]

S I B E L I U S C R A S H E D

[young pecan]

T H E C H E E S E M E L T S I N T H E M I C R O W A V E

[vagrant elk]

Matroska is the best video file format. 🙂

[wheat plume]

That reminds me of my physics teacher....
He used sliced cheese in the microwave to calculate the speed of sound

[young pecan]

Ah ok.

You got the unicorn to teach you.

Cool. :C

[wheat plume]

And he liked to play guitar while insisting the entire time that he's bad at playing guitar

[vagrant elk]

mkv (Matroska) has far more options for video codecs.

[wheat plume]

What phone you get?

[vagrant elk]

At least that's my experience from ripping DVDs.

[wheat plume]

Is it possible to find the order information using the order number?

Or is that not accessable by regular website visitors

Oohhh

Right
Like shipment tracking

[young pecan]

Speaking of orders I got the BiliBili 3070 a few days ago.

I had to.

Too meme worthy.

[vagrant elk]

Normally I like kids but this kid is starting irritate me. He's in the apartment below me screaming "HELLO" as loud as he can while kicking the wall repeatedly and throwing a fit.

[wheat plume]

Say hello and then whisper, I can see you

[young pecan]

Just yell back "WHO DARES WAKE BALTHAZAR, LORD OF THE UNDERWORLD?"

[vagrant elk]

But mutism.

[young pecan]

Give him PTSD.

Lmao

[wheat plume]

Better yet
Get a creepy voice clip and play it

[young pecan]

Fire your subwoofer into the floor.

[wheat plume]

Xd

[vagrant elk]

I'm just not in the mood to see or interact with anyone today except for online people.

Every single time I play a game and say I'm a mute there's at least one person that says "This game isn't for you then. Just stop playing." and it makes me sad. Just going to sit around and do nothing today.

[young pecan]

Play Destiny 2.

I require more people to suffer endlessly do Master Nightfalls with.

[vagrant elk]

I lost an account that had full PVP gear to an insane level of min-maxing. I refuse to go through the pain of doing that again.

[young pecan]

I feel your pain.

[vagrant elk]

I even had perfect roll weapons so I'm just done.

[young pecan]

How many? And what weapons?

[vagrant elk]

What was that managerie PVP sniper called? Benevolent?

That took me 4 days of endless grinding to get alone.

[young pecan]

Beloved or whatever.

[vagrant elk]

Then there were like 4 shotguns, 3 other snipers, quite a few rifles.

I don't remember the names because I don't care.

[young pecan]

You lost nothing.

Everything got sunset anyway.

Bungie tried forcing people into new weapons by sunsetting, limiting the max light something can be unless it's exotic.

[vagrant elk]

I'm well aware.

[young pecan]

So all of the pre Beyond Light stuff is gone now.

shrugs You didn't actually lose anything important then.

[vagrant elk]

Like I said, I don't care. I'm not touching the game again so I don't care.

[young pecan]

Kinda F still.

Though Mountaintop is still gross.

Nothing changed there, it works in pvp.

[vagrant elk]

I did basically only PVP so my perfect roll PVP weapons were kind of important.

[young pecan]

Mm, true.

Though they'd be useless in Iron Banner and Trials.

[vagrant elk]

I never did those two. Too much hacking.

[young pecan]

Not anymore.

Anticheat and Trials got fully overhauled.

[vagrant elk]

Meh. I don't have any friends that play Destiny 2. Not anymore at least.

[young pecan]

sad Reed's Regret noises

We finally have a Linear with firing line, because someone at Bungie keeps snorting the crack.

[reef patrol]

[vagrant elk]

I fail to understand how extremely large companies can have batteries catch fire like that.

You would think that if there was a flaw they would fix it long before the release.

[timid chasm]

been waiting for this since their thermal epoxy video. Just checked their store today to see if they ever added paste

They did tell me they were working on it so I'm glad to see this video

wtf it's on the store now, crazy

It wasn't this morning

Maybe it was yesterday that I checked? Whenever I watched Linus' fanless video since he briefly mentioned the old video in passing

[empty wren]

It has happened with other companies excluding Samsung

It will happen every once in a while

[astral haven]

Lithium batteries inherently explode it's just how effective are the safety systems at delaying the explosion and spreading out the fire over long enough time for the customer to not notice

[empty wren]

It got a bit more safe with lipo which the nord uses but not foolproof Fymrin

[astral haven]

Lipo isn't significantly safer
Technically it is safer but only at the same voltage
And uh
At the same voltage the lipo is just worse in every way besides safety, so people run them at a higher voltage...

Tbh more batteries is safer

As long as the wattage per surface area of the electrode is the same (or lower)

[empty wren]

Interesting especially since apple had an L shaped double battery during one generation

While android oems use it to enable cooler charging but at laptop charging speeds on a phone

[reef patrol]

Rare factory defect. Phone owner paid moron to change the battery and they used a bad knock-off.

Many possible causes

[fair gull]

so anyone know how to play x4 as a true sandbox

[halcyon moss]

never settle

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/mr9wg3hf15i4.png

💪

[sudden coral]

ok so lekker switches are tose tail/green switches right that you guys have on the wootingv two he

[reef patrol]

Yep.

[sudden coral]

and olso that have 0.1m exsuasion poin and 1.4 ms delay

will those be on the 60%

one

[reef patrol]

Yep.

[sudden coral]

when i get the email over the 60% keyboard is it for preorder or is it so i can buy it?

on that time i get the email

[reef patrol]

Preorders start on the... 28th? Late this month. Delivery around summer hopefully.

[sudden coral]

so if i preorder now i will get it around summer?

is that what your saying?

[reef patrol]

If all goes as planned? Yes.

[sudden coral]

and what do you sya as like around this summer like litle before or after summer sorta?

[reef patrol]

Impossible to say this soon. Could be June, Could be late August. Could have some kind of unforseen delay and it's suddenly September or October.

[sudden coral]

wdym this soon summer is like in 2022 and then like 6-7 months after newyear

thats alot

but ok so i get it

it could be october

[reef patrol]

Like - In a a year from now.

[sudden coral]

it could olso be summert

yeah

well

imma try to get it as soon as i can buy it not to pre order cuz i am too inpationt to just spend moneyh and not get it for a year you feel me... soo.. but keep up guys i like the litle twist with like the strap on the side hoop its goingto be removable cuz if im going to be playing i dont want that to be on the side but i like it tho keep up the good work

oh.. one more question

[reef patrol]

The strap is definitely possible to take off. 🙂

[sudden coral]

is the 60% proccent going to be under 100 euros orr..

cuz like all yall keyboards over 100

doesnt matter waht size

[reef patrol]

I would expect it to be in the 150-180€ range personally. I am not Wooting staff 😄

[sudden coral]

o damn wtf

bro thats like

thats like 2x the keyboard im ussing rn

wtf

[reef patrol]

This is life when you're not selling 10 million keyboards and are called Corsair or Razer. And don't skimp as hard on materials 😄

[sudden coral]

but like tbh all i care about is the switches and the keycaps the plate can be a bright pink and i wouldnt even care... but how.. and why would like..... wooting two he is like MAX SIZE 180euros and a 60% wich is i 60% of that whole size with bassicly everyting the same exsept the strap and boom 180

??

[ashen spindle]

because you don't pay based on the ammount of keys...

[sudden coral]

ik that

[empty wren]

We still do not know the offical price

[sudden coral]

the plate is smaller than the full size one right?

thats one of the big parts about if not the biggest part on the keyboard

[sudden coral]

yeah your right tho

[ashen spindle]

not really, the biggest part is paying peole to assemble it, to develop it, to make it work with analogue features etc.

[sudden coral]

imma stop talking bout it what ever its up to you enyway yall do make some good keyboards at the end of all

[ashen spindle]

the materials are usually the cheapest parts of it

[sudden coral]

and i cant wait for the drop even tho i prob wont be able to aford it

well thanks i got my awnsers

have great day yall

[reef patrol]

[sudden glacier]

estimated delay will be lower for 60% due to the fewer keys needing to be scanned

apparently it perfectly fits into one cycle for the chip, compared to two cycles for the fullsize HE's

which should theoretically be 'twice as fast', but that's to be seen

[hardy idol]

okay

Give me instructions on relubing the Lekker

plss?

[empty wren]

I got some

But I got a question are you asking how to lube or how to clean off the lube?

[hardy idol]

lub

[empty wren]

Okay so lube the spring several times to get all parts of it, inside outside top and bottom.

Lube only the side rails of the stem

Do not lube the inside of the stem

Lube the inside rectangle of the top housing

And the sides were the stem moves

[hardy idol]

i have 3 types of lub

[empty wren]

Alright list them

[empty wren]

So 205g0 105 and dielectric grease?

[empty wren]

You can use the 105 on the springs if you want to

People bag lube springs out of laziness

[hardy idol]

oh

is it better to do 205 with brush?

[empty wren]

Also for the bottom housing lube the rails and the bottom of the inside of the bottom housing do not lube the hole

[empty wren]

Hold on

Spacebar, x key and left shift

[empty wren]

I used krytox 205g0 to just use one lube, probably does not matter too much on the spring as most of the lube deals with the pinging.

[hardy idol]

I'll just 205g0 everything

[empty wren]

Dielectric grease is good for stabilizer wires

[hardy idol]

I'm too lazy to switch brushes

lol

[empty wren]

But you can use 205g0

[hardy idol]

stabs i can use the grease sure

btw

[empty wren]

Top housing with a small glob
Stem is lubed with quarter of a glob
Spring is lubed with 2 globs
Bottom housing is lubed with 1.25 globs

[hardy idol]

spring everythig, side rails of stem, and the cases also where the stem moves?

whats a glob

[empty wren]

Just what I call this amount

[hardy idol]

oki

[empty wren]

You can use much less if you want to

Spring does need a lot of lube though

[empty wren]

Yes, great thing is everything can be lubed, just do not recommend the hole or stem middle where the magnet is, since you get mush that way

For the stabilizers you dip the wire end into the grease

And then lube all around the smaller plastic piece as well as the rails of larger plastic piece

[hardy idol]

Haha well that's a no I guess

[empty wren]

Hmm?

[hardy idol]

Switch film

[empty wren]

I think someone cut deskkey films

Not sure if you got those or not

[sudden coral]

thankyou for realeving my pain 🙂

[empty wren]

Right now at fullsize it is jumpy between 1.4ms and 0.75ms I believe

[sudden coral]

doesnt matter idc bout that all i care about is the 60%

[crisp granite]

that's still faster than pretty much anything on the market already

[empty wren]

Also should get even faster, wooting will be able to prioritize rows

[crisp granite]

if the full size can do it, the 60% will likely be faster...because less keys to scan

less keys = bad (my opinion)

[sudden coral]

less keys still able to put functions like i have fn on the bottom right of my 60% keyboard and if i hold it down i can do prety much like f1 f2 f3 f4 the arrow keys and eny other functions and saves alot of space on my desk i dont have the biggest desk and im not nowhere near to swiching one

[crisp granite]

I'm aware of layers...I just hate them

especially for gaming 😅

[sudden coral]

o ok yeah sure its your opinion 🙂

question holdon

so

if wooting has double movement

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[crisp granite]

good observation

[reef patrol]

It works slightly different. But yes.

[sudden coral]

does it olso glitch and say i have controller in fortnite like when im ussing the wooting app and i click w a s d it like glitches and says im on controller for like 1 sec every time i press a key on a keyboard of wooting with double movement will that happen?

[crisp granite]

nope

[crimson wigeon]

Obviously since the keyboard also pretends to be a controller to achieve analog control

[crisp granite]

because...the apes at epic added a setting in to prevent that

👌

[sudden coral]

ok but the ting is its not only with fortnite like

[crisp granite]

of course, that's a single drop in the bucket that can't balance the metric tons of sh*t they pull

[sudden coral]

im playing forza horizon 4 rn

and if i put on the wooting app it glitches and my exseleration dont work

[crisp granite]

well...that setting is added in on a game by game basis

not all games support mixed input...yet

[sudden coral]

can i remove the double movement on a wooting keyboard trough software?

[crisp granite]

:|

analog profiles and digital profiles can be stored and swapped between on the keyboards

yes

[opaque sequoia]

Where can I get an electrical scheme of Wooting Two keyboard?

[sudden coral]

so thats a yes?

[crisp granite]

that is a yes

you can have both mixed and digital (keyboard) input maps and swap between them on the board

[sudden coral]

i dont get what your saying you telling me i can do it but i gotta remove the switches??

[crisp granite]

...

board has multiple profiles

[sudden coral]

oo

gotchu

[crisp granite]

you can store multiple

switch between them

[sudden coral]

yeah yeah yeah

[reef patrol]

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1436593036490907649

Party like it's... 2019??

VideoCardz.com (@VideoCardz)

NVIDIA rumored to launch GeForce RTX 2060 with 12GB memory by January 2022
https://t.co/X1x84XvE70

Likes

129

Twitter · Sep 11, 2021, 7:30 AM

[crimson wigeon]

y tho

[wheat plume]

Y

https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/11/22668294/motorcycle-vibrations-damage-iphone-camera-apple

[astral haven]

Uuuh no shit Sherlock?

[empty wren]

Ah so magsafe is also going to make it a time sooner to repair or replace an iphone nice apple nice

[wheat plume]

People shit on this browser but its not bad IMO!

[fair gull]

ah yes that browser

everyone knows it

[empty wren]

Is it called web browser?

[crimson wigeon]

Just Web, for maximum discoverability

Older people might still think it's called Epiphany

[wheat plume]

It is called Epiphany

[empty wren]

Just Web or just Web

[wheat plume]

Was*

[fair gull]

so the worst name u could chose for german users

[wheat plume]

oh?

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/xupo7rslhy59.png

[wheat plume]

lol

[empty wren]

Netz

Dez Netz

[fair gull]

ne

internetz

thanks

[empty wren]

My bad

Das netz

[fair gull]

still no

Das Internetz

[wheat plume]

idk where the .desktop file is for Web

id check the translation they use if I could find it

[fair gull]

prob

no translation

[empty wren]

What language Herman?

[fair gull]

why would u translate a brand/product name

[fair gull]

Herman-Miller

[empty wren]

That is a chair

[fair gull]

they do make more than chairs iirc

[wheat plume]

never heard of that brand!

[fair gull]

prob cause ure not in the market to buy a pmuch ever lasting chair for home usage

[wheat plume]

idek what brand the chair im on rn is

I just got it cause it was cheap and looked mostly comfy

(anything is better than wooden chair I was using for 3 years)

[empty wren]

Not unless Santa sits on it and you sit on his lap

[fair gull]

na they make extra strong springs

for like 300kg and stuff

or hydraulics

or whatever it is in english

the piston bit

[empty wren]

Fine you win

[fair gull]

na

i am barely below that

[empty wren]

You are not no Jabba The Hut

[fair gull]

not no

so i am

ok

[empty wren]

Double negatives do not work well in english

[fair gull]

do i look like i care

[empty wren]

No your profile looks unhappy

[true quest]

you can make them work

[empty wren]

You can, but it can lead to misunderstanding

[wheat plume]

oh yay! I no longer need to build it from the AUR cause ArcoLinux added it to their repo :D

[hardy idol]

Probably nowhere

Why tho?

You want to copy or what

Are you a Razer employee?

Or Glorious?

[wheat plume]

LOL IM CRYING :')

Windows has no clue wtf this file is

(its a .mkv video BTW)

mpv is best

[ashen spindle]

well yeah, you know windows/file explorer looks at file endings and not meta data so whats so surprising?

[wheat plume]

I know I know

its just funny messing with it like that

Doki Doki Literature Club also took advantage of that fact

[fair gull]

"windows has no clue what the file is"

windows doesnt even need to know

[ashen spindle]

there is no point in prices that far ahead of release

no point in guessing what nvidia themselves dont know yet

• even less point in it when performance isnt really known yet

[crimson wigeon]

Eh that's not really that bad assuming it's max graphics and looks nice

[ashen spindle]

that is frame times not fps...

calm your apple boner

[shadow minnow]

Nvm I am blind

[shadow minnow]

??has nothing to do with apple, was saying that as an example because of how bad the macbooks performance is

[empty wren]

MacBook performance is not bad, applications have to be optimized in each ecosystem, to be fair macs are not for games anymore and have not been for a long time

Like premiere pro is really kinda ass

Final cut pro is golden standard in performance

[shadow minnow]

Sure but like MacBook Pro 2017 had really bad GPU, especially for gaming, so just used it as example

But really wondering if LiS true colors also scales directly with resolution. Because LiS BtS did - 15fps at 4K, 30 at 1440p and 60 at 1080p

That sounds strange, never had that happen

[empty wren]

Also cpu games vs gpu games

[shadow minnow]

For me there is no CPU games on my pc. Unless I blow up tnt carpet in Minecraft and look to the ground

Strange, does not sound like expected behavior. Sometimes restart helps.
Or it’s also possible that it’s just really GPU heavy application. Also had that happen with my normal pc with games that had too low framerstes, input lag being increased to like 200ms

[opaque sequoia]

No, of course. )) I heed it to repair keyboard.

[fair gull]

:thonk:

how did u break the pcb

[misty saffron]

friend wants a woofer and 2 tweeters for under $200

can anyone recommend

[young pecan]

Yamaha second hand stuff.

If you get lucky you can get maybe 500 USD in value for 200.

Maybe have to go back a few years, but eh.

[misty saffron]

good speakers is good speakers, who cares if it’s a couple years old

[young pecan]

Exactly! :D

Yeah no, this is awful advice nobody should listen to.

There's a great reason people get degrees on audio engineering just to create speakers that don't sound like shit.

It ain't as simple as tacking drivers into a piece of wood and making a box.

The frequencies of the drivers, the harmonic resonance of the material, the internal volume and any protruding objects in the cavity, the shape of the box, etc.
All of which have MAJOR impacts on the sound.

[old marlin]

Just the choice of wood has stupid high impact

And there isn't a "best" setup

[misty saffron]

i hate it when people say “these speakers are the best”

same as me saying “this food is the best, don’t eat anything else”

[halcyon moss]

there are these boards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5R-sB5vRuo

[misty saffron]

actually there’s great proof for this

there’s a reason ALL boxes are 90% empty

[young pecan]

No shit, but you personally are almost certain to not know what you're doing beyond "EmPtY boX gO bRrRRrRR".

[misty saffron]

i have no clue about audio engineering

obviously i don’t

that’s why i’d rather trust other people to design this kind of hellish contraptions

[shadow minnow]

Yeah. Apparently with two of those Dolby atmos sounds quite good too, but never tried it myself so idk. But very well done Dolby atmos can sound spatial even with phone speakers

[wheat plume]

Do cheaper KVM switches cause input lag?

Like over DP or HDMI

[reef patrol]

They can

[wheat plume]

oh gosh, they use USB B

wtf

At leas this one does

using a 21:9 display vertically.... interesting choice

https://youtu.be/Ekvx9WR27NI

[chrome estuary]

ngl samsung has a 21:9 that I kinda wanna get and use as a secondary monitor that I can put into portrait.

[wheat plume]

be

get asked by my uncle to print his electricity bill cause I have a printer at home

say ok

Uncle sends me the bill, VIA SCREENSHOTS

Cant print these cause its too small and unreadable when printed
It also includes the phone UI like thje navbar and status bar and shit

Call him back and ask for the document instead

half hour later: no reply

[halcyon moss]

B on the receiving end is spec for full size appliances. Printers, scanners,... All habe a USB b connector

[wheat plume]

o.o

[hardy idol]

Z337 logitech

[crisp granite]

better idea, don't get speakers, stab your ears with a rusty screwdriver and go deaf, save money on audio equipment from now on

/s

Locke...bud

who shat in your cornflakes today?

[crimson wigeon]

premium clickbait

[fair gull]

really depends but usually dp/hdmi kvm is already expensive compared to vga

[wheat plume]

Yeah... Makes sense

[ashen spindle]

wym not cheap?

[wheat plume]

O.o

[fair gull]

ya like

most kvm switches ud find are vga anyway cause servers

dont need hdmi or dp on those

[reef patrol]

[fair gull]

audi wants me to pay for the gas in my car

smh

[reef patrol]

Tesla wants to replace the entire battery, not just the bad banks.

That's not great service.

[timid chasm]

at least once

[astral haven]

The battery is a sealed unit my guy

[young pecan]

My guy, it’s not a thing most people should even be attempting.

Like sure, in theory you can watch the video and absorb a lot of useful information, it is in the video after all, but speaker design is not something you can research in an hour long YT video and then be anywhere near proficient at.

Good drivers WILL run you many hundreds of dollars and you are going to need to actually be able to not fuck up in order to have them sounding good.

Though it is very good that he has the build plan in the description. That’s probably saved so much heartache and time.

[wheat plume]

I went to go setup timeshift to make a backup each week

Can't use my storage drive because that's not formatted to btrfs

[astral haven]

Pulling out the entire pack is alot easier (on the newer cars), but getting in is several hours of work for a single person after it's removed from the car

[empty wren]

and not everyone wants to do that or has the time

[astral haven]

Well no the point is not even Tesla wants to do it

Resealing the battery can't be fun or safe

[astral haven]

A rebuilt engine you can control from many feet away

The dangerous part of the battery is always there

[latent mural]

Is anyone here like an expert on wifi or internet stuff

I need help

[empty wren]

Ya got me there

[timid chasm]

to bank heaven?

[astral haven]

They probably get ground up into powder and then the metals get reclaimed

[halcyon moss]

tesla powerwall i guess

[hardy idol]

doubt it tbh. Tesla is a company that uses buzzwords 'battery car' and 'environment' to make profit.

in the end, profit is what matters for them

quantity over quality

we need sell much car idc if the quality is shit theyll eat it cuz tesla simps

[astral haven]

You obviously haven't been paying much attention to Elon lol

[hardy idol]

Watch this

If you really want to be environmentally friendly

You would want to consume as little energy as possible

Look at Lightyear! Motors inside the wheels for as little drivetrain loss as possible, solar roof, super aerodynamic, etc etc.
They're not as fast as some Teslas, but they're very, very efficient

It does not matter, EV or ICE.
stoplight races are bad for environment

[halcyon moss]

for a car, a tesla is one of the more efficient ones though

[hardy idol]

Depends

[halcyon moss]

best for the environment is to not have a car at all

[hardy idol]

But one of the more silent polluters are tires

[halcyon moss]

and just use a bike to get around!

[hardy idol]

and a performance tesla, isnt easy on their tires

[chrome estuary]

Yes I'm going to bike 35 miles to work and 35 miles back every day

[astral haven]

You know what isn't a silent polluter?
Transportation

[hardy idol]

transportation will always be necessary for some, and you can't get rid of that

We can make it more efficient though

[astral haven]

Ok so how do you improve the efficiency the most effectively?

[chrome estuary]

Rid of a majority of people?

[old marlin]

Solar roof is just about the stupidest thing on a car

[astral haven]

I mean without doing anything psychopathic

[hardy idol]

IF you really want to do something for the environment, it's best to not go zoom

[hardy idol]

it does 12km/hour on the Lightyear One

It's not much tho

[astral haven]

Violet
What makes the most difference

[old marlin]

We could also just produce cleaner energy

No coal

No wind