🔌│tech

[misty saffron]

500 down is sadly the most i can get in this 200k population city lol

[ashen spindle]

for how much?

[halcyon moss]

i can get a gigabit. but i dont need it

[misty saffron]

about 10 bucks?

[old marlin]

[ashen spindle]

good deal at least

[halcyon moss]

nice

[old marlin]

I get 100 down

[wheat plume]

oh..... just to install a text editor

ooohhhh

[crimson wigeon]

https://github.com/microsoft/wslg

Read ze readme

[wheat plume]

Seeing Nautilus run in Windows is cursed

[halcyon moss]

time to switch distro windows Lana

[wheat plume]

HAH
no it fucking doesnt

Only loves Linux when its WSL inside Windows

YEP

It should

[old marlin]

the subsystem was made to make linux useable

so it is for linux

[wheat plume]

but its for windows

[old marlin]

no

[wheat plume]

cause thats where it runs on

[old marlin]

it is from windows

for linux

[misty saffron]

ok i have figured out how to make my current setup gamingable

[halcyon moss]

its a subsystem in windows for linux

wsl

[wheat plume]

Window's Subsystem Linux

[old marlin]

it is for linux

[halcyon moss]

lol that airport

[old marlin]

[misty saffron]

excuse you

time capsule

[wheat plume]

Ye

[misty saffron]

i was surprised when the internet guy came and knew what the fuck a time capsule is

[ashen spindle]

but what you first think of it doesnt really matter when it's the only correct description of how it works?

[wheat plume]

wtf is it. hollow?

[misty saffron]

straight away he went like "open app pls"

[misty saffron]

apple routers are configured through an ios app

no web panel

[wheat plume]

Why is a router called Time Capsule?

[ashen spindle]

if you call it other way around because it sounds better you are being wrong on a technical level so idk if that's really preferable

[halcyon moss]

a time capsule is a backup device from apple

[misty saffron]

because it has a hard drive in it

[wheat plume]

Ooohhhh

NAS basically?

[young pecan]

According to my roommate this is somehow valid engineering.
I left him alone for 10 minutes.

[misty saffron]

basically yes'

3tb hdd in mine

[young pecan]

Someone send help.

[halcyon moss]

yes.. but only for backups i believe

[misty saffron]

no

you can do whatever the fuck you want

[wheat plume]

Oooohhhh...

[misty saffron]

with the storage

[halcyon moss]

ah, didnt know'

[young pecan]

Fucking zip ties and 2 different kinds of bastard cooler...

[misty saffron]

SMB supported fully so

[halcyon moss]

yay samba

[wheat plume]

I assume it can only be used on MacOS devices?

[misty saffron]

the router is like 5-8 years old yet it's so nice i can't really imagine replacing it any time soon

[wheat plume]

and iphone maybe

[misty saffron]

why, no

[halcyon moss]

yikes. good thing i added a 32gb stick

[old marlin]

SMB

SMB is only a bitch to use in linux

[misty saffron]

apple gives a nice tool to add it as a network hdd

[old marlin]

[misty saffron]

native support in macos though

[wheat plume]

Samba?

[old marlin]

samba is SMB emulation

[wheat plume]

Apparently Samba works fine in Linux

[old marlin]

samba hosting does yea

[wheat plume]

You need the right package though

[old marlin]

but connecting it is needlessly complicated

[halcyon moss]

samba is a smb implementation, which is probably mainly used on linux

[old marlin]

in comparison to other network file hosting in linux

[wheat plume]

I was able to connect to my college's shared drive from right inside Nautilus

[crimson wigeon]

Ugh setting that up so Windows is happy talking to it is such a pain

[wheat plume]

Logged in to my ID and it worked

[misty saffron]

i believe apple has afp and the time capsule supports it

obviously

[old marlin]

samba?

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah

[old marlin]

yea is stupid

[halcyon moss]

in nautilus <ctrl+L> smb://192.168.1.2/

[crimson wigeon]

On the Linux side I just use NFS because it's stupid simple even a pepeg like me can set that up who needs security anyway

[misty saffron]

BRUH

[wheat plume]

Wait hold up
It was DAV:// I used to login to the College shared drive

[halcyon moss]

never bothered with nfs, but in the past i had a permanent vfs mount over sftp :p

[wheat plume]

If I was booted into Linux rn id double check

[halcyon moss]

ah webdav!

webdav is filesharing over http :p

[wheat plume]

They took that shared drive down in favor of OneDrive .-.

[misty saffron]

sigh

do i have to enable some feature

[halcyon moss]

wat no

[crimson wigeon]

Windows wants you to do \\ipaddressorname in explorer

Uh double \

[halcyon moss]

in windows you just \\192.168.1.2

[misty saffron]

windows...

[wheat plume]

yeah

it like blackslash .-.

[wheat plume]

Everything uses // but now Windows .-.

[misty saffron]

yeah need the app to set it up

[halcyon moss]

its windows filepath syntax ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat plume]

^

[misty saffron]

wait do i have to use the netbios name

ugh

[crimson wigeon]

See details

[misty saffron]

no

[halcyon moss]

does it have smb enabled?

[misty saffron]

last time it did

[ashen spindle]

did you allow network access in settings? iirc thats not on by default

[halcyon moss]

so a solid "maybe"

[wheat plume]

Schrodinger's SMB

[crimson wigeon]

Gotta make sure you have it set to be a private home network or something, public is insecure and thus turns all of that stuff off

[halcyon moss]

no, he already measured :p

[crimson wigeon]

But yeah this what I mean with it being a pain ecks dee

[halcyon moss]

isnt that for being a server?

[misty saffron]

should be enabled

[ashen spindle]

I mean check the windows network share settings, you can disable access to even private networks so maybe thats just set wrong

[misty saffron]

yes, all is on

[halcyon moss]

how do you normally connect?

[old marlin]

yopu have to add teh name of the shared folder typically

so \\kapsule\folder

[misty saffron]

yeah doesn't work

airport utility it is

there we go

[wheat plume]

yeet

[misty saffron]

not sure why it always reports the disk is empty though

[reef patrol]

Beca use it isn't receiving proper info.

[fair gull]

ask the smb server

[misty saffron]

ok where's the ceo of smb servers

[fair gull]

i mean what do u use as an smb server

win machine

linux machine

[misty saffron]

airport time capsule machine

[fair gull]

the frick is airport time capsule

[misty saffron]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPort_Time_Capsule

[fair gull]

that explains why

[misty saffron]

netbsd 6 lol

[wheat plume]

PowerPoint doesnt know what kWH's are

[misty saffron]

mwah

[wheat plume]

ikr :')

[misty saffron]

also it's kWh

[wheat plume]

oh hmm

[fair gull]

so yell at apple for being too dumb to use default samba server and prob using some custom shit that ignores some smb protocol specs

could have just bought a pi and external drive for cheaper and be better off

[halcyon moss]

or a synology

[misty saffron]

it is a good router

idc

[fair gull]

idk those are usually quiet expensive compared to selfmade

wait its a router aswell lol

"good"

[misty saffron]

yea '

never had an issue with it

[halcyon moss]

true, but the synology software "just works"

[fair gull]

thats true

synology does make a good os

[halcyon moss]

before i had this synology i had a self made nas, it was always "work" to keep it running. it also used a lot more power

[fair gull]

eh theres good software for selfmade nas now

and with raspberry pis u can get cheap power efficient ones

[wheat plume]

You know a chart is bad when you need to look into the code to know what the data is

[reef patrol]

FreeNAS is excellent.

Or... whatever they recently renamed it to.

[old marlin]

has one gigantic flaw

for some reason they think booting off of a USB stick is fine

[young pecan]

Anyone got a modern MSI motherboard?

Last 3 generations or so.

[old marlin]

I HAD a B350 arctic whatever

[young pecan]

Did you ever update it's BIOS?

[old marlin]

nope

[young pecan]

Mmm.

Mine are being odd.

This is an update file for the B360-F Pro, right?

[old marlin]

I assume it works similar to most others that don't have bios flashback?

[reef patrol]

FreeNAS boots off of harddrives just fine?

[old marlin]

ye ik

[young pecan]

Notice the end is IMS, yeah? My current mobo has a file that's ending with ICI, and refuses to register the IMS file here.

[old marlin]

rip

[young pecan]

Idk what's causing this shit.

Regardless of what BIOS version I try it's just not registering any of them.

[old marlin]

the BIOS files for the B360-F Pros looks different

is that an official BIOS file?

[young pecan]

From MSI's website, yeah.

[old marlin]

also some boards want the files zipped

[old marlin]

wtf

ah

am

[young pecan]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B360-F-PRO

[old marlin]

newest one for me is IMS.1A0

[young pecan]

Yep.

IMS.

[wheat plume]

oh ... I have a BIOS update I could do but dont want to risk it

[young pecan]

For whatever reason whatever is loaded into my board is ICI.

[old marlin]

tried putting the zip on the stick?

[young pecan]

Mmmm. I have 2 boards with this issue, I tried throwing the zip on the last board with no success, but I can try again.

Thing is my 3rd and 4th boards both accept the raw file as an update and it works.

[old marlin]

looks like they have the file directly on the stick

so that should not be the issue

[young pecan]

Yep.

Really confusing, idk why this is happening.

[wheat plume]

It seems on MSI, you copy the folder not the ZIp to USB

[young pecan]

I've tried every permutation of it.

[reef patrol]

I love how that instructional contradicts itself.

[young pecan]

And even if you do that it just makes you go into the folder to select the file manually.

[reef patrol]

USE FAT32

IF OVER 64GB CANT USE FAT32, USE NTFS

Soi which is it? 😛

[wheat plume]

ikr

its clear

< 64 = FAT32

64 = NTFS

[reef patrol]

But I needed to make sure I have a FAT32 formatted USB Flash drive.

I have an NTFS one.

[young pecan]

Idk why this board is doing this.

Just...

What even?

[ashen spindle]

🎵 gigagbyte calling🎵

[young pecan]

Lmfao I wouldn't trust Gigabyte to be any better.

No, these 2 boards specifically are really weird, my other 3 work flawlessly. Maybe tampered with.

[old marlin]

I wouldn't trust any major mainboard company to be better

[fair gull]

supermicro

[old marlin]

somebody might have thrown on some custom firmware

[young pecan]

Haven't been able to find even one other person on the internet with an ICI BIOS, searching through forums and the such like.

[old marlin]

oh yea sure

[young pecan]

So yeah, maybe custom firmware or tampering.

[wheat plume]

Let's all just buy a BioStar mobo... xd

[young pecan]

Ideas on forcing a flash?

[fair gull]

what we talkin bout

[young pecan]

The board should accept the BIOS.

[old marlin]

unsure

[young pecan]

Hmm.

[old marlin]

you might need an external flasher

dunno

[young pecan]

Ugh...

[fair gull]

where did u get the boards

[ashen spindle]

just resolder memory chip with the bios you want

[old marlin]

why do you even need to update the bios

[young pecan]

Ebay, that's the only place you can buy em.

[young pecan]

12 card support.

[old marlin]

[young pecan]

These boards are amazingly temperamental with 6+ cards unless you flash the BIOS.

[fair gull]

i can imagine SI specific firmware

medion and acer really like doing that

[reef patrol]

Time for warranty if the official instructions for flashing don't work 😄

[fair gull]

should they use off the shelve mainboards

[young pecan]

Ebay, my dude.

Nowhere sells this mobo anymore.

[old marlin]

[young pecan]

I checked.

Hmmmmm.

[reef patrol]

Oh it's an OLD product.

[young pecan]

Yep.

[old marlin]

imagine buying some random medion system

and it has some random ass mining board in it

[young pecan]

Gold, actually.

All the mining boards are $500 AUD plus.

[old marlin]

lol

I might still have one

[young pecan]

The Asus B250 is like... 1.2 grand.

[old marlin]

[fair gull]

cant u just

rename the file

[young pecan]

Gonna try that.

[misty saffron]

я хочу питсы

[fair gull]

english pls

[misty saffron]

i want pizza'

[fair gull]

whats the exact bios ver rn

[young pecan]

Checking now.

[reef patrol]

You might be able to flash in Windows or Linux with third party apps. Can't promise it will be a good experience though 😄

[young pecan]

Weeeeeeeeeeird

Renaming it makes it show up as an IMS BIOS.

Current version is E7B25ICI v1.71, build date marks as 08/30/2019.

So renaming the standard IMS BIOS as an ICI makes it show and register with the model name coming up as IMS.

Ok then.

[empty wren]

я хочу спать

[young pecan]

And then this message happens.

That.. does not read like something coming from MSI.

[crimson wigeon]

It actually does

[young pecan]

Oh? Never seen a sentence this scuffed coming from them personally.

Even in BIOS updates.

[reef patrol]

Seems perfectly normal.

Very Asian translated poorly 😄

[young pecan]

Guarantee is misspelled.

Tbh this smells like a janky hacked together BIOS coming out of a Chinese mining farm.

Or deliberate fuckery.

[misty saffron]

not seeing what's wrong with that

typical chinese english

[young pecan]

Problem is that MSI support on multiple levels has no idea what an ICI BIOS is.

Even in China the boards ship with an IMS BIOS.

[reef patrol]

Do they need to? You got the BIOS from them? On the product page support?

[young pecan]

Yes, the new BIOS is from them on their product page. The BIOS currently in the board they have no idea on.

And presumably it came out of the factory like that, which is supremely odd, or someone tampered with it.

Idk which would be worse.

[old marlin]

I guess someone tampered with it

you can flash a custom BIOS rather easily

if you have a flasher

[young pecan]

Indeed, hence me needing a way around that.

[old marlin]

dunno why someone would do that though

[young pecan]

Sabotage...?

It's buying from a miner to use for your own farm.

Or maybe they're fucking with the BIOS to make their rigs run more efficiently.

[fair gull]

its not

well not really

i did some digging

ici is a "moddified" version but was apparently available from the msi ftp at some point

[young pecan]

Lovely.

That's... fantastic.

Ideas on how to force a flash, then?

[fair gull]

hex edit the bios to say ici aswell

there has to be a difference between the 2 inside the bios file

[young pecan]

Means I'd need to do that to every single BIOS every time I update.

[fair gull]

if u ever need to update it again uh prob not

cause it should flash it as ms then

ms meaning microstar aka main branch of the bios

idk what ci stands for

[young pecan]

Aye, couldn't find that info either.

Well then... guess we're doing this.

INTO THE HEX LAND I GO!

[wheat plume]

is there a way for a discord bot to add reactions to its message all at once? Instead of appearing one by one after each other

[fair gull]

tbf theyd also have to trick it into flashing ici

so they prob used winflash

and changed the config to skip checks

[pale sigil]

I mean

Wrong replay

Reply

[pale sigil]

I mean, I don't think so due to latency and how requests work in general when sending to discord api

[young pecan]

@fair gull Mmm. I'll have a go at Winflash.

[fair gull]

idk if they actually use winflash

but they do prob have some tool to flash it from windows

[misty saffron]

apparently i'm sitting on the server

[fair gull]

in the server

[reef patrol]

im in ur server, stealing ur wootings

[ashen spindle]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/windows-11s-months-long-public-rollout-begins-on-october-5/

[young pecan]

Imagine not already being on Win11.

[reef patrol]

Imagine dealing with the terrible Win11 UI

[ashen spindle]

the important part of that means that alder laker is coming out sometime after october 5

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/9V0lXIK9DZQ

[ashen spindle]

since they really need the new scheduler in 11 intel had to wait on that release

[young pecan]

I've only noticed 3 bad parts that impact me, and all I'm gonna say is the sheer benefits have outweighed needing to click 2 extra buttons sometimes.

I'd rather MS didn't do stupid things, but I won't complain about the better OS despite needing to occasionally click 2 extra buttons.

[ashen spindle]

it'll be interresting if alder lake has performance crown but 11 issues could make it a non-recommendation

[reef patrol]

The window sliding thing annoys the hell out of me. Not sure who the hell thought that was a smart idea.

[young pecan]

Example?

For me it works fine, you got a bug or just don't like it?

[reef patrol]

I'm not a fan of how Windows thinks I want to slide windows back and forth every time my cursor happens to move past the boundary.

[young pecan]

Y'mean the feature that's existed since the dawn of Windows?

[reef patrol]

No, no it hasn't.

[young pecan]

Since quite early it has.

[reef patrol]

This is 100% Windows 11 behaviour. You're not understanding what I am talking about clearly 😄

You're on 11 right now?

[young pecan]

Yep.

[crimson wigeon]

The what now

[reef patrol]

Do this with two windows. 50/50 split horizontally.

Now move the cursor left and right over the middle point.

[young pecan]

Oh yeah, that nonsense.

[reef patrol]

[young pecan]

Yep, I'm waiting for someone to patch the shit out of it.

DISAPPEAR, THOT!

[reef patrol]

This happens to be how I use Windows 100% of the time. And until that "popup" can be toggled away I'm not switching.

That and the "half of your start menu is useless" thing 😄

[young pecan]

I agree with point 1, but wth is point 2?! xD

The split start menus have been SO good.

[reef patrol]

Half of Windows 11's start menu is recommended.

[crimson wigeon]

I think it's kinda natural to want to resize both windows at the same time in that situation, no?

[young pecan]

It is, but the animation is completely unneeded.

[reef patrol]

Or maybe I don't want to resize them every time my cursor happens to move past the edge of one window? 😛

[young pecan]

Maybe if you have 3+ applications at once, sure.

But defo not with 2.

[crimson wigeon]

But it only resizes if you click an drag it

[reef patrol]

It APPEARS every time you MOVE the CURSOR

[crimson wigeon]

Oh no! A highlight effect!

[reef patrol]

That's maybe 5-10 times a MINUTE

It's a big, obnoxious highlight effect is what it is 😛

[young pecan]

Wait no.

Wot?

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[young pecan]

It only appears if you hover the cursor over the middle for a second.

[reef patrol]

It sure as hell didn't in the preview I had xD

[young pecan]

Wth kinda buggy ass Win11 install do you have?

...?

[reef patrol]

If you did a fluid motion like this, it would highlight every time the cursor happened to cross the boundary.

This was on the leaked build.

[young pecan]

That happened for about a day or something 4 updates ago.

Then was fixed.

[halcyon moss]

tis needs a video :p

i have no idea what youre talking about :p

[reef patrol]

Well no one's bothered to mention it's been fixed (Well not really fixed, just with an added timer). Also I haven't looked back since the preview kind of caused looped BSODs at some point 😄

[young pecan]

See the thing in the middle?

That used to come up every time the mouse passed the boundary regardless of time.

Got patched pretty quickly.

[reef patrol]

Thank fuck 😄

[young pecan]

Iirc dev branch had the update in like... half an hour.

[halcyon moss]

a

[reef patrol]

I had the leaked build for two weeks. Was never fixed before I rolled back to 10 😄

[young pecan]

Go into insider, mate.

It's all patched.

[ashen spindle]

I mean, did you expect a leaked build to have scheduled updates? 😛

[reef patrol]

I was on the insider though 😄

[young pecan]

The only shit tier thing is the right click menu. Dear god it's awful.

[reef patrol]

No - But it did update regardless 😉

[young pecan]

Why?

[reef patrol]

To force a new behaviour.

[young pecan]

You only get the thing everyone cares about after clicking show more options.

That gets annoying pretty quick.

[reef patrol]

I imagine it will be a poweruser toggle.

[young pecan]

Though Windows Terminal is fantastic, so is new Snipping Tool.

[reef patrol]

So - Can you use the entire Start Menu now? Disabling the recommended bottom half and then actually being able to put icons there? Because when I used it, it would just leave the bottom half of Start empty 😄

[young pecan]

Time delay on snipping? Fuck that's coom worthy.

[reef patrol]

I mean we've had this forever in the app?

[young pecan]

Have we? Never noticed.

[young pecan]

Huh. I'm blind apparently.

Hope I never drive something fast.

Btw Snip and Sketch is yeeted.

Snipping Tool made a return.

[fair gull]

@young pecan did flashing work?

[young pecan]

Yes, I just checked and it's fully able to be customized.

[young pecan]

Modifying the file still.

Checking everything.

[reef patrol]

Lul... Windows won't let me back in the inside program. It also won't let me leave.

[young pecan]

Bruh.

[reef patrol]

If only there was some way to register for the progra.... oh wait. I have been since Windows 10 was insider 😛

Ah yes. Needing to fiddle in regedit to fix Windows. Always a gay old time.

https://c.tenor.com/hOuTZrwov2gAAAAM/drink-big-cup.gif

[crimson wigeon]

Also doubt they have taken out this setting which disabling makes resizing snapped windows painful but also disables that indicator you hate so much

[old marlin]

what does it do that the "new" new snipping tool doesn't?

[young pecan]

It's a hell of a lot faster for one.

[old marlin]

the one you use with win+shift+s

[young pecan]

Faster, it just feels a little nicer, etc etc.

Overall it runs better.

[old marlin]

idk I just used sharex until now

[pale sigil]

heh

my sharex folder

has like 60k+ files

[old marlin]

mine only has 6k

[vagrant pagoda]

Sharex is still better

Dose pictures, video, text and files

Also it has an option to purge old images

If only it supported doing that over scp

[fair gull]

reasons to not use sharex:

1. ure not a windows users

[vapid zodiac]

snip/sketch cant copy from clipboard to an online api and return the url from the api can it?

[young pecan]

I'll be honest, that sounds so useless to almost everyone.

[vapid zodiac]

its very useful for certain situations

[young pecan]

The fact that you even need to say that kinda proves me right.

[vapid zodiac]

and saves me manually opening a webpage pasting the clipboard and then copying the url

[young pecan]

Instead of simply pasting the image itself into the chat log?

[vapid zodiac]

its not an image

[young pecan]

Everything worth using supports that.

[vapid zodiac]

its text

[ashen spindle]

not every chat is discord and supports pasting in an image

[young pecan]

All of the worthwhile clients support it.

Even Skype supports it. FUCKING SKYPE.

[vapid zodiac]

its not an image

its a url

text in, url out

[young pecan]

A URL directing toward an image instead of just posting it?

[vapid zodiac]

no its not fucking images

[young pecan]

I'm so confused. ShareX I can only see being useful for sharing large files and video.

Not images or text.

Sounds supremely useless for that.

[pale sigil]

ShareX does everything good

literally everything

[ashen spindle]

have an example? I think thats easier than us being confused what you mean

[pale sigil]

its insane how good it us

is

[young pecan]

Please this.

Omg.

[pale sigil]

https://mrpl.me/E44770b_rfp9.jpg

I use it for media sharing

[vapid zodiac]

lemme grap a dscan

[pale sigil]

tis great

[young pecan]

Wait wait.

[vapid zodiac]

actually local scan works

[young pecan]

There's the image in the link.

[pale sigil]

ye

[young pecan]

I just copy pasted.

[pale sigil]

🙂

the reason i used code block

is to show this

[vapid zodiac]

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Drog Snow
Drogoth Snow

compressed down to https://dscan.krabwire.ga/uPq6jq

[pale sigil]

as discord will auto remove my url

https://mrpl.me/E44770b_rfp9.jpg

[vapid zodiac]

super ez

[young pecan]

Damn near all chat clients worth talking about support this.

[fair gull]

well i cant just upload from clipboard everywhere so sharex is better plus video/gif support and i can blackout shit or draw on it way faster

[pale sigil]

huh

[young pecan]

Y'know, just pasting images into the chat log. :L

[vapid zodiac]

thats alota orbs

[young pecan]

TeamSpeak doesn't natively, but uhh. TeamSpeak.

[pale sigil]

Wot

noo

xD

[ashen spindle]

it doesnt remove the url, if I right click on that image it opens your url?

[young pecan]

Did they add the feature?

[pale sigil]

https://mrpl.me/fb4777b_rf34.mp4

[ashen spindle]

your usage of the feature is literally just posting pictures so not really what drogo is using it for

[pale sigil]

every single thing i take is uploaded to my server

[ashen spindle]

you're just adding to the confusion

[pale sigil]

cos sharex supports sftp/ftp

its great

ik

[young pecan]

For video, yeah.

Sounds useful.

[pale sigil]

im just saying why i love it

no

[fair gull]

for everything

[pale sigil]

for images too

and files

[young pecan]

Except when an app supports native upload.

[fair gull]

i can even hastebin shit instantly from clipboard

[young pecan]

Wait that's all of them.

[fair gull]

irc doesnt

[pale sigil]

same

can literally do anything its great

[young pecan]

Bruh, irc?

[fair gull]

yes

still widely used

[young pecan]

Jesus fuck, come to modern times or use a better IRC client.

[pale sigil]

also i dont want my shit hosted on discord

i like to archive everything

[old marlin]

Do all things and do all well?

[pale sigil]

eg i use it for file hosting

[old marlin]

I mean it basically does one thing, record media

[young pecan]

Wooting MC server not on curseforge? That's just sad.

Curse is great.

[pale sigil]

Why would i put it on Curse

for a small group

:p

[young pecan]

Curse good.

:D

[pale sigil]

but again

relying on other sources

Also i dont have to worry about discord file size limits

[young pecan]

Knowing Curse's history, I'm willing to believe they aren't going to fuck up file hosting.

[pale sigil]

it can be used for different things other than media

[fair gull]

irc doesnt support images?

[young pecan]

It's kinda their whole business, you can probably expect between 99.9 and 99.99% uptime there.

[young pecan]

Depending on client, not directly pasted.

[old marlin]

So unix approach would be installing 17 different programms

[young pecan]

There's some stupid ancient shit in irc.

[pale sigil]

Honestly i cant live without it, i was lost without it on linux

there are other clients somewhat similar but they didn't support ssh keys

[fair gull]

they just embed links to the image so not better than sharex

[ashen spindle]

so install 15 things because you only need 15/17 features is the linux way

[pale sigil]

xD

[old marlin]

I want screenshots with at least some slight editing aka arrows etc, screen recordings as gifs and video and easily accessible + saving them to whatever

[young pecan]

But don't you know, it's a labyrinthine everything tool!

[old marlin]

what does it cost

[young pecan]

Can't imagine where that design has failed before.

[old marlin]

like 2kb of disk space

the horror

[young pecan]

SIBELIUS.

[old marlin]

we don't live in the 80s anymore

I won't notice the extra features

[young pecan]

If I'm honest I think designs like ShareX are remarkably stupid.

[crimson wigeon]

And hell it's probably just shelling that conversion out to ffmpeg

[pale sigil]

ngl

sure the settings

[fair gull]

wait so why is ffmpeg good then if you could just install a dedicated mp4 to mp3 converter instead of the 2billion other things ffmpeg does

[pale sigil]

there are a lot and its alil messy

but i dont see an issue with sharex :p

[young pecan]

Why pack everything into one program? It isn't actually hard to just have everything be plugins for one shell program. You want screenshots from a server? ShareX. You need video as well? Plugin upon install for video capture.

Just have a menu to quick install plugins.

[pale sigil]

no

well

sharex does that

xD

[young pecan]

So why is your system so retardedly packed?

[old marlin]

why make it plugins

[fair gull]

lol the 10kb code

[pale sigil]

its not though

[fair gull]

oh no

[young pecan]

No chance you need that much functionality.

[fair gull]

the horror

[pale sigil]

its not packed

its all web based too

lol

[old marlin]

what do you loose by installing the plugin

[young pecan]

@fair gull It's software bloat, not file size that's the problem.

[crimson wigeon]

What else are you going to do when you've got all the basics done? All the features!

[young pecan]

Bloat is horrific.

[pale sigil]

bruh

[old marlin]

what bloat is there

why do people hate "bloat" so much nowadays

[young pecan]

Menus in meuns with bad UI.

[old marlin]

and the bloat is a video recording tool in the screenshot tool

[young pecan]

See, humans generally don't use stuff that isn't right in front of them. You want a good program you wanna make it smooth to use.

[old marlin]

what does it take away from you

[fair gull]

the bloat is that sharex has nicely organized menus

[old marlin]

it is not like they are antifeatures

[young pecan]

And having 300 settings and options isn't that.

[pale sigil]

its literally bare bones

[old marlin]

I never see a menu to do a screenshot

[pale sigil]

they are all just auth logins

[old marlin]

[pale sigil]

same

Hell it feels weird having to open this to show

[fair gull]

ikr

[young pecan]

sigh Lads, it's not about functionality, it's about the UI primarily.

[fair gull]

the ui is nicely organized

[pale sigil]

You shouldn't be using the UI

[old marlin]

you don't see the UI

[young pecan]

If you want something that gets adopted by a massive userbase because it's good you need to have a decent UI.

[old marlin]

[crimson wigeon]

I don't know about you but ShareX seems very popular

[fair gull]

ffmpeg has decent ui yes

can confirm

[young pecan]

And what doesn't help that is packing it full of shit nobody uses.

[old marlin]

and is this really THAT bad

[fair gull]

too organized

[old marlin]

so when you buy screwdrivers

[young pecan]

@old marlin Telling you right now 90% of everyone isn't looking through 60% of that.

[old marlin]

do you JUST buy the one you need RIGHT now and maaaybe in the foreseeable feature?

[crimson wigeon]

And so you would rather frustrate the 10%?

[old marlin]

how are you frustrated

set up the hotkey

and the action you want

and you never have to see it again

[young pecan]

You buy a kit. Y'know what you don't do? Buy a screwdriver, tablesaw, bandsaw, disk sander, and a lathe at the same time just in case.

[old marlin]

why should you look through everything

[old marlin]

shops do that

the cost in this case is disk space

[fair gull]

but you boughy a 48bit kit and dont even use 44 of them

[young pecan]

One typically buys tools as they need them, not everybody is a shop.

[pale sigil]

https://mrpl.me/Sb4783b_rfl6.mp4

[young pecan]

Also very true.

[old marlin]

oh no

whatever should I do

[fair gull]

i also use a good chunk of the tools and sharex uses ffmpeg for video/gif conversion so im not even salty

[old marlin]

20.8MB

[pale sigil]

xDhttps://mrpl.me/k74784b_rf05.png

[fair gull]

it does everything exceptionally well

[pale sigil]

i can do all sorts and its hardly bloated

no gui

[old marlin]

it is responsive

and it does what you expect

and it has most features you could want

[young pecan]

Sure, and that's great, but the design could be massively improved.

[old marlin]

splitting it into 200 plugins helps nobody

just makes installing it a pain

[pale sigil]

i can do so much

https://mrpl.me/s64786b_rfZ3.png

[fair gull]

thats a you problem imo

[pale sigil]

without touching the GUI

you can choose to not do this

[old marlin]

also probably doable if you set it up right tbh

[pale sigil]

just like i did

[old marlin]

don't see the point in it though

[pale sigil]

https://mrpl.me/Sb4783b_rfl6.mp4

here

you can see

[young pecan]

Bruh, c'mon.
Install ShareX, you have 5 major feature plugins you can select.

1. Screenshots
2. Video Capture
3. etc
   User, clicks the ones they need and is done with it.

That alone would do shitloads.

[fair gull]

and what does that save

[pale sigil]

mate

Thats literally how it works anyway

[fair gull]

1 less entry in the submenu?

oh damn

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/kronos-whistle-kronos-whistle-rage-shake-my-head-gif-18220347

[fair gull]

gotta switch to that

[old marlin]

I still don't get the upside

[young pecan]

Means you can do more and not suffer bloat.

[old marlin]

besides slimming down a menu you don't see

what does bloat even mean

[pale sigil]

Everything is disabled by default

[old marlin]

[fair gull]

what bloat

[young pecan]

There's only so much stuff you can stuff into menus and submenus until you need to compress stuff.

[old marlin]

it is no extra task in the background

it does not pop up

[pale sigil]

and not part of the program unless you enable it

[young pecan]

Ergo compress at the base level.

[old marlin]

it is a total of 21MB of disk space

[fair gull]

the bloat

[old marlin]

what do you try to save here

[young pecan]

We've been over disk space not mattering, lad.

[old marlin]

yes

[young pecan]

For something this small disk space is pointless.

[old marlin]

I still don't get the bloat

ik

so where is the bloat

[pale sigil]

20kb

[old marlin]

the UI you never see

[young pecan]

Visual and functional bloat, dummy.

[pale sigil]

come on xD

[old marlin]

[young pecan]

Just about every major program has to deal with this.

[fair gull]

functional bloat lol

[old marlin]

functional bloat

[young pecan]

MS Word is a great example.

[old marlin]

[young pecan]

Yep.

[pale sigil]

You are getting so worked up about a GUI you never see or files

[old marlin]

good joke

[pale sigil]

that are literally 1kb

or less

[old marlin]

you never see the UI of sharex

[young pecan]

I never mentioned file sizes, my dude.

[old marlin]

like why should you look at it

[young pecan]

Not even once.

[old marlin]

tell me why you look at sharex

[pale sigil]

oh god

im wrong

[old marlin]

unless you try to pick out one of the features you rarely use

[pale sigil]

im so wrong

[fair gull]

you see it once if u need to setup custom workflows

[pale sigil]

You also have license text files

its the end of the world

xD

[old marlin]

in which case it doesn't matter and the path to the feature is clear

[young pecan]

@old marlin For something like sharex there's the potential to be massively useful, things you'd want a UI for, trying to go the 0% UI route with low functionality? It's needlessly limiting.

[crimson wigeon]

wat

[old marlin]

what do you want the UI for

[young pecan]

Depends on the usecase.

[old marlin]

name me a thing

[pale sigil]

The whole reason these programs exist

[old marlin]

not

"there is a usecase"

[pale sigil]

is to literally

avoid having a GUI

[fair gull]

literally

i opened the gui

[pale sigil]

LITERALLY

[fair gull]

went to tasksettings

[young pecan]

Fast torrent searching from an integrated program. Personally I'd find that useful for my own stuff. Need a UI for it, however.

[fair gull]

went to capture

for region first then edit

1 checkbox

[young pecan]

Idk, having a plugin platform that can do everything would be super nice.

[pale sigil]

you dsont even need to do that tony

you can just edit and select region 😄

make the whole screen a canvas and edit whatever part

[fair gull]

and ik u dont

but its 1 checkbox

[old marlin]

and super bloat

what you mean is an OS btw

[fair gull]

then u can make the region, edit and hit enter to snap

[young pecan]

That's the point of selective functionality.

Lowering unneeded bloat on a user by user basis.

[pale sigil]

that is also true but extra work i guess in some peoples eyes

[old marlin]

what you described is literally an OS

[young pecan]

Kinda. Same functionality, nowhere near as smart.

Or robust.

[pale sigil]

ayyup

[old marlin]

depends on the OS

[pale sigil]

TIL sharex even has watermark

https://mrpl.me/F54788b_rfK4.png

features

[old marlin]

must have bothered you a lot before

[pale sigil]

hmm?

No, i never used it before

just noticed now

xD

[crimson wigeon]

BLOAT! BLOAT!

[young pecan]

Personally I've been looking for a single program to run plugins from for all of my various needs. Such a thing sadly does not exist, I end up needing 4 programs at a minimum.

It's me wanting an impossible utopia, sadly.

:C

[old marlin]

technically

you use one rn

[young pecan]

Technically the OS isn't it.

[old marlin]

that runs a ton of plugins

[young pecan]

There's shit I need from Linux and WSL sucks.

[pale sigil]

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/a-guide-to-automatic-watermarks-sharex/399480

damn

im proper digging this

[young pecan]

In theory WSL with tweaks could be it.

[pale sigil]

all these years

[young pecan]

But that's far away.

[pale sigil]

i never knew

[old marlin]

at the point where all software is a plugin

what you want is the OS

[young pecan]

Nah, what I want is interaction with all of my stuff from a single actually good program.

[pale sigil]

I do get your point tho Aeon, just not with ShareX :p

[young pecan]

I'm fine running, say, Deluge in the background or on my dedi server with a plugin for me to do simple searches.

[pale sigil]

Its why i like avidemux a lot

[young pecan]

Ergo I find sharex to be annoying.

Nearly good, sadly not. :C

[pale sigil]

and recently kdenlive

[young pecan]

Ffs, mastering a few good things and putting the goal within the line of sight.

THEN FUCKING YANKING IT AWAY. >_>

[pale sigil]

cleaned my desktop

it was pissing me off

xD

[reef patrol]

Oh joy. When the start button won't respond.

[young pecan]

Oh boy.

What'd you do?

[reef patrol]

I upgraded to 11 again.

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah, just give it the old re-boot

[reef patrol]

It's a rare but known issue. Seen it many times on 10

[young pecan]

^

Reboot fixes everything.

ALL THE THINGS.

[reef patrol]

Already did that twice. Even force killed and restarted explorer.

FUN TIMES WITH WINDOWS

[crimson wigeon]

In that case probably your tweaking broke shit

[umbral knot]

switch to macos then

[crimson wigeon]

I just tried 11 again and the first boot up didn't succeed in logging in, and second was weird where I still had old taskbar and explorer and such with some 11 elements and reboot after that fixed all

[crisp granite]

just install the stable, openly sold and supported version of windows instead of installing a public dev build for a new one

[reef patrol]

So...where is the option to use the whole start menu?

[crimson wigeon]

True I already reverted pepelaugh

[reef patrol]

I still don't see it.

[crimson wigeon]

I suspect it's basically feature complete at this point

[fallow bison]

dont think full screen start menu is a thing (yet?) in windows 11

[crimson wigeon]

Can't wait for 11.1 (or just the next big update, or whatever) to make it usable!

[reef patrol]

Well fuck.

Windows key doesn't work. Start menu doesn't work

Known issue with no solution.

Guess we're going back to 10...AGAIN

[pale sigil]

why would you go to 11

lol

[pale sigil]

*11.5

[reef patrol]

For fucks sake. Defender isn't even working properly

Closes when you open it. But it's running.

[crimson wigeon]

Sounds about right

[reef patrol]

Well fuck this. Back to 10

Broken POS

[pale sigil]

I mean

You're using a beta build lmao

[reef patrol]

This is... Basic functionality.

I literally couldn't open Discord, cause search was bugged in the start menu.

The preview build worked better and that's months old

Literally couldn't even open an elevated command to run file checks.

[young pecan]

Weird...

@reef patrol Out of curiosity what hardware are you running?

[reef patrol]

5600X and a 3080.

[young pecan]

Wth?

How is yours so broken.

[reef patrol]

Aaaand now the start menu and windows key shit is in W10 as well.

JOY

[young pecan]

Bruh, wtf did you install?

[reef patrol]

Just the insider beta xD

[young pecan]

My guy, I'm on insider dev and it works fine.

How is beta so broken?

What mysteries exist in your hard drive?

[reef patrol]

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-insider-program/windows-11-start-button-not-working/m-p/2509466

Seems like not even Microsoft cares enough to comment xD

[crimson wigeon]

Something something FEEDBACK HUB

[reef patrol]

Something something do your job as a systems engineer at MS 😄

[crimson wigeon]

Well it worked well enough for me probably your broken system

The fact you had to do registry hacks to even get it installed might be a clue?

[reef patrol]

No that's a known issue 😄

Just a simple toggle to get into insider.

[crimson wigeon]

Yes and features are enabled only for insiders so the overengineered system probably didn't turn on all the necessary features due to the half-insider state or some real dumb nonsense like that

(fuck A/B testing and everything it stands for)

[umbral knot]

this is why I'm not getting windows 11 now, too buggy im just going to wait for it to stabilize

[fair gull]

so

u dont get it cause bugs from its insider status

which wouldnt show up in release cause features dont require insiders

thus the check doesnt happen

[crimson wigeon]

So long as they keep forcing the chonkbar I won't upgrade

[fair gull]

now thats a complaint i understand

and why chonkbar

[crimson wigeon]

Because I like my slim taskbar thankyouverymuch

[fair gull]

didnt feel like it was that massive plus u can change the size

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah in the registry, and then it just looks broken

And it doesn't bring the other missing feature back: the labels

[reef patrol]

So... Returning to a previous question.

The start menu in 11.

[crimson wigeon]

Is also terrible

[reef patrol]

Where is this supposed setting to let you use the entire thing?

Cause pinned disabled leaves the bottom half blank.

[crimson wigeon]

I think right now you might have to hack it

[reef patrol]

[fair gull]

use display fusion to replace it

[ashen spindle]

it's already coming later than expected

could be, not known yet

but I'd imagine they are getting it out asap so they have a window before Zen3D

[crimson wigeon]

And the fancy new interface crap has been worked on for a long time now, if you go back and look at Windows 10X it'll look eerily similar to 11

And apparently the lower level changes have also been silently inside the insider builds for a long time as well

[ashen spindle]

pretty sure 11 is sun valley

for it to be cancelled it needed to be a thing first

[crimson wigeon]

But it is there

Later this month, the Fast ring will become the Dev Channel, the Slow ring will become the Beta Channel, and the Release Preview ring will become the Release Preview Channel. Here is what that mapping looks like:

[ashen spindle]

academia is just slightly lower on the priority than making sure intels processors work

[reef patrol]

Is there a way to force the old start menu? Seems like the classic node regedit fix is disabled.

[astral haven]

No but the new start menu is alot better...
I'm sure the classic she'll folks will give you a way to do it

[reef patrol]

If it worked I might learn to like it.

But right now I literally can't use the search function. It closes the menu.

[astral haven]

You running in a vm?

[reef patrol]

Nope.

On metal.

[astral haven]

Odd
I've only heard of that issue on hdds and vms

[reef patrol]

Start11 works...but it's kind of sluggish. And not free a month from now xD

[young pecan]

Everything is free with HWID.

[ashen spindle]

its free if you dont care about the watermark

[young pecan]

HWID solves that too.

[fair gull]

so

whos getting those new 7 procs

or 4 procs

[ashen spindle]

the what

[fair gull]

intels renaming shit

where they just

dont wanna nanometer anymore

[ashen spindle]

oh I mean it's just adjusting it to what the foundries use

[astral haven]

nm has been a lie since 32nm so it doesn't really make a difference anyways

[ashen spindle]

so 7 is something similar to tsmc 7 but neither 7 mean nanometer

[fair gull]

ya but i want that new intel 7

[ashen spindle]

alder lake is coming Q4 is all we know so far

[fair gull]

what about intel 4

[astral haven]

Yup

[astral haven]

Q3 22

[ashen spindle]

uhh raptor lake is still on 7, meteor lake is the first on 4

and meteor is for Q2 2023

[astral haven]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16823/AnandTechRoadmaps3.png

[ashen spindle]

I mean thats when the fabs are planned to run, not when you get products from it

[astral haven]

Delay 1 quarter and you get products

[ashen spindle]

nah

meteor got confirmed by intel to be 2023

[astral haven]

Might not be msdt CPUs but there will be Intel 4 products of some kind q4 22

[ashen spindle]

maybe, none announced so far to hit that though

[astral haven]

Id suspect mobile cpus

But at least xeons

[ashen spindle]

idk meteor is a client cpu so that's the one for laptop and desktop

[fair gull]

ah yes

20a

makes sense to come after 3

[ashen spindle]

yea we all wished it they would not remove NM just to add them 5 years later again

[astral haven]

Eh a clear delineation between finfet and gaafet is neat

[ashen spindle]

as long as we remain to use some form of unity with the process node, there will be comparisons and everytime it will be coming up in the form of "intels 10nm which is closer to tsmc7nm or SS 8nm but neither mean nanometer" zzzz

[astral haven]

I vote ignore all that and focus on the product...

[ashen spindle]

sure but is there literally a single benefit to adding a unity to the name?

its just annoying bc it does nothing positive and just causes annoyance again

[astral haven]

Ignore the name

Same problem that got everyone's panties on a twist about the 3090 and 2080ti

[ashen spindle]

I mean there you can argue nvidia has marketing reasons so I can't even blame them really

[astral haven]

It was perfect marketing

[ashen spindle]

yeah but thats the reason for 20A?

[astral haven]

Why sell a $600 GPU when you can change the name and sell it for $1500

[astral haven]

An engineer got put in charge and put a line where there was a big transition

[ashen spindle]

lmao no engineer would call it 20 angstrom when it has nothing to do with 20 angstrom

[astral haven]

Well technically the node is able to create channels entirely within 2nm

Might need several channels and the channels might need to be 22nm deep and 40nm across but you still can put a single channel entirely within 2nm width

[ashen spindle]

ok but do we know that node is using something that is 2nm, but not close to 1.8nm and actually some sort of transistor or anything important in the product?

[astral haven]

The node is capable of resolving 2nm and it's capable of producing better transistors than 3nm nodes are
Thats all that is important

The problem is that transistors are 3d and most folks seem to not understand that

[ashen spindle]

exactly thats the reason the nanometer part no longer means something

so just have it be numbers that get lower or smth but not attached with a real unit that can falsely be atrributed to somthing in the node

[astral haven]

Like you wanna lampoon the storage makers for saying 100GB/mm² then?

Sorry gb

God that's also wrong
10gbit/mm2

[ashen spindle]

lmao

idk not really something I noticed

but it also doesnt seem like they just had a renaming and decide after a couple years they go back to a inaccurate one again?

[astral haven]

What?

[ashen spindle]

intel decided to change the names to match foundry names, so far so good

then they also drop nm which is nice and a step forward bc 7nm doesnt actually mean 7 nanometer

great

then they go back and call 2nm 2nm again

so wtf

why go a step forward to just go 2 steps back

[astral haven]

After finfet they started incrementing based on the previous density increases

Same is true with angstrom except this time the differences are gonna be more granular than 1nm at a time...

[ashen spindle]

I mean I think all agree 10nm has improvements over 14nm, but does it have ANYTHING that is 10 nanometer?

[astral haven]

Channel width...

[ashen spindle]

you mean the things that says 7nm?

[astral haven]

Yup

[ashen spindle]

but this is the 10nm node...

and the one getting named 7 is 10nm ESF

[young pecan]

I actually hate the new naming scheme.

I understand why it needed to happen, but goddamn was nm++++++++++ fantastic.

So many memes. Good times.

[astral haven]

All 3 are the same

[astral haven]

It's replacing superfin

It's just like 7nm from tsmc or Ryzen 3000 from amd or 10th gen from intel
It gives you an approximate stackup against the competition but you have to read the spec list to see the details

[ashen spindle]

ok but you can do that by just calling it 7 and not 7 nanometer right?

now thats news to me

ok vnm

yeas and they call 7nm varaints N7, N7P N7+ etc.

[astral haven]

Yea the node is n7 or Intel 7
The reporters and customers are the ones who say nm