#🔌│tech
fair gull
def
wheat plume
Windows 11 now exists on a phone too ..... How TF you manage this?!
old marlin
obv final UI design
wheat plume
It seemss to have the same issue with the bottom rounded corners that some android custom roms have
fair gull
windows has an arm build
ashen spindle
literally the reason for win11 to exist is to run windows on heterogeneous architecture, already has an arm build and gets native android app support
not really a surprise someone put it on a phone
old marlin
It seemss to have the same issue with the bottom rounded corners that some andro...
might be because the UI is very final
fair gull
gearbox doing their best to port windows to a new platform
halcyon moss
crimson wigeon
That's a strange not power of 2 number
halcyon moss
its 16 + 32
crimson wigeon
Then where did 1.5 go pepeg
halcyon moss
i guess thats how the OS calculates it?
Tasks: 416 total, 1 running, 414 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie
%Cpu(s): 4,2 us, 2,5 sy, 0,0 ni, 93,3 id, 0,0 wa, 0,0 hi, 0,0 si, 0,0 st
MiB Mem : 47645,1 total, 35199,2 free, 7738,0 used, 4707,9 buff/cache
usually its a binary/decimal thing
dont ask me why its so weirdly off in both directions
crimson wigeon
why is it so weirdly off in both directions
fair gull
frick u
fair gull
ashen spindle
but yeah that is weird, that is more than just the loss from gb to gib
ashen spindle
are some of them some sort of special ECC udimm or so that has some extra ?
fair gull
inb4 its actually 2+16+32
misty saffron
grandma pc ram config i s2g
halcyon moss
ashen spindle
ohh that could be
fair gull
like im genuinly confused where the extra not full 2gb come from
cause the exact MiB u have shown doesnt equal 50GB either
halcyon moss
the top one?
fair gull
i guess thats how the OS calculates it?
this
halcyon moss
it subtracts some reserved memory i guess
halcyon moss
2GB
shadow minnow
Changing BCLK always makes booting take longer and tends to fail.
ashen spindle
Yes that is expected behavior
halcyon moss
lol its all over the place
ashen spindle
.. do you know what the bclk is used for?
shadow minnow
Yes, or well, think so but not entirely sure. Using it to get ram clock I want at gear 2 atm.
halcyon moss
@shadow minnow what monitor do you have again?
old marlin
shadow minnow
Yes that is expected behavior
Well, it’s to the extend of sometimes refusing to boot without cmos reset no matter how small the changes are. No other setting is able to make safe boot unusable.
old marlin
Please don't touch BCLK just to uncrease ram clock further
old marlin
Well, it’s to the extend of sometimes refusing to boot without cmos reset no mat...
Yes that is how BCLK works
ashen spindle
^
old marlin
So entirely expected behaviour
shadow minnow
<@!590931863951114260> what monitor do you have again?
Eve spectrum 4K 144
shadow minnow
hm not for sale in NL
Should ship there from their website.
This time accidentally set it kinda too high, actually surprised these timings booted at 4500 MHz, with twr at 6.
halcyon moss
lol 100usd for a stand
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QABQ7c-Fk assuming you are looking at 4k screens, that's one to look for and has similar options mentioned
halcyon moss
i was actually intested int he "kvm" stuff :p
shadow minnow
i was actually intested int he "kvm" stuff :p
Yeah, the spectrum has that to some extend. Not best value 4K 144 HDMI 2.1 monitor but considering the features like USB C with 100w charging, usb hub… it’s pretty good. Also design. And color calibration, which unfortunately is not that good on gigabyte monitor.
crimson wigeon
I'd rather not have a monitor that blows up
ashen spindle
halcyon moss
i want to order from NL, easier to make it a company expense
ashen spindle
why would you say calibration is not that great on the monitor when in his review he literally says it's one of the best calibrations from all the 4k screens they tested 
shadow minnow
i want to order from NL, easier to make it a company expense
Not possible to make it a company expense through then afaik so yeah, that would mean monitor more expensive so if you want to have it as company expense recommend some other monitor that could end up being lot better value.
shadow minnow
why would you say calibration is not that great on the monitor when in his revie...
120% sRGB - oversatured, 94 dci p3, which is not that bad but worse than spectrum and some past gigabyte monitors.
It also has lower brightness and no 10bit colors
ashen spindle
yeah so you put it into srgb mode for srgb work...
and idk why 10bit is relevant on a non hdr VALUE monitor
shadow minnow
Does not, just saying in which ways is it worse. Apart from that however definitely would say that it’s one of if not the best 4K 144 value monitor.
fair gull
anyone got a recommendation for a 800:600 monitor
ashen spindle
ask csgo pros
fair gull
if possible id like it tft
ashen spindle
or smash melee players
shadow minnow
Please don't touch BCLK just to uncrease ram clock further
It’s more for getting it more stable atm tbh.
astral haven
if possible id like it tft
all monitors are TFT that aren't crt
old marlin
It’s more for getting it more stable atm tbh.
that is exactly what you make worse by just fiddling with the BCLK
ashen spindle
the reason bclk exist is literally so you can change OTHER things and have them be stable
astral haven
Nah he's running intel yamato
old marlin
the reason bclk exist is literally so you can change OTHER things and have them ...
yes, just fiddling with it still doesn't help
astral haven
the reason bclk exist is literally so you can change OTHER things and have them ...
Only thing that bclk touches is ram and core
astral haven
yes, just fiddling with it still doesn't help
Cease the misinformation
ashen spindle
I know they decoupled pci frequency from it a while back
astral haven
Tbh it was the other way around
They decoupled core and memory from everything else
I suppose if you count dmi and chipset as part of pcie then I guess that is just 1 thing but imo that's separate
ashen spindle
so is the current state that bclk is only the base from core and memory now? surely thats not the case either?
fickle ore
Mother of god lol
reef patrol
ashen spindle
I mean just get 21:9 and limit it for d2r
just how it would be with 16:9 content on it
fickle ore
I think I could do that via integer scaling on a 16:9 just gotta go like uhh 1920*909.47
But my poor gtx 1060 doesn't support it
ashen spindle
ew
I mean I'm a big fan of 21:9 for gaming, so my advise would be just that
unless you know you stick to like 5 games and all dont support it
with d2r supporting it like half
fickle ore
21:9 does still get a few competitive games with black bars because the devs don't alow it :/. 2021 still a bit too early.
wheat plume
I found that menus and UI elements didnt like 21:9 but in game worked fine unless the game was super old
fickle ore
Probably never gonna change
ashen spindle
yeah csgo doesnt like it so I use 16:9 for that
the only other game I have issues with is dead by daylight
but that is because the devs are shit
so the dogshit options just dont work
fickle ore
Any idea if I do need to round down or up?
I think Valorant too like csgo. It's weird man.
ashen spindle
nope because that is too cursed of a setting for me to ever touch it lmao
astral haven
so is the current state that bclk is only the base from core and memory now? sur...
Yup there's a second clock gen entirely for everything else
ashen spindle
so core is just a multiplier bc they dont want to change it back and not touch memory working on it? nvm thinking about it makes sense why it's not reverted to have cores at "full" speed instead of a multiplier
astral haven
Wut
Making clocks is actually really tough
They make as few as possible
And Intel decided that 2 were nescessary
A clock multiplier is just a circuit that takes 1 clock and turns it into a higher speed clock without significantly sacrificing precision
shadow minnow
so is the current state that bclk is only the base from core and memory now? sur...
Also iGPU and possibly cpu ring but not sure about that
vagrant elk
I think Avanna rubbed off on me a tiny bit. Swapped from Phosh to KDE on my Pinephone.
empty wren
Not even the first to put it in a phone
vagrant elk
Waydroid works on Arch now! 😄
It's Anbox but updated to be more akin to Wine. Performance is substantially better.
It isn't properly packaged as of yet though. Right now installing it is extremely weird for the Pinephone. Not sure about other devices but the Pinephone seems to be using an experimental device-specific build.
One moment.
It's still a weird solution but it will get officially packaged in the future.
There is a GitHub for it but it seems to be for LineageOS.
Not sure of any other methods for it to be installed at the moment.
Like I said, it is an extremely weird and experimental solution for the time being but it does kind of work.
There are lots of issues with it right now even once it is installed. You basically have to restart the service repeatedly until the performance is good.
There's memory leaking and currently assumes that it can use 100% of your RAM so it's definitely not quite ready for mass adoption.
I'll be waiting for it to properly be released through official channels.
The way I understand it, Android applications can be installed as long as they are for the arm architecture and will appear on the home screen like any other normal application. One user reported that they can now do banking on their Pinephone.
Worth mentioning that if you tried installing from the Mastodon toot instructions on a desktop it likely wouldn't work. The instructions are ArchLinux-ARM Pinephone specific.
I'm not sure what the process is for desktops.
astral haven
Samsung S9 and S10 were fantastic
X570 on an overclocking board is just smh
Especially one pretending to be xoc
fair gull
https://youtu.be/vzo7LYBZcf0
i always get rock hard when i open the camera app and i hear the aperture in my s10+
fair gull
well im considering buying a second s10+
same config as mine
and keep it till mine dies
astral haven
Would have been absolutely fantastic on a 108mp camera
Give us the f1.8 or whatever but also the option for deep depth of field
vagrant elk
My Pinephone has a really bad camera so I'm considering getting a dedicated camera to take pictures with.
It would be expensive but so worthwhile.
astral haven
New Sony dude is alot cheaper if you want new
fair gull
im too dumb to take good pics with my m50
astral haven
And the a5000 is pretty shit but it is hackable and works with modern lenses and it's very cheap (paid $70 for mine
vagrant elk
I mostly want to get into photography again. For the time being I have an old camera but it still takes pretty good pictures for the $100 I paid for it.
astral haven
im too dumb to take good pics with my m50
In my experience canon is fantastic for point and shoot
You been using program auto?
astral haven
I mostly want to get into photography again. For the time being I have an old ca...
Imo the older the better
Limitations breed creativity
fair gull
i shot that with the m50
astral haven
Link?
fair gull
vagrant elk
I have an old Sony DSC-W800. Not the greatest but it's good enough for a beginner.
fair gull
always feel like the lense is kinda fisheye
astral haven
And often you don't want direct lights
fair gull
cause everything looks bent
astral haven
Canon should correct that for the stock lens
astral haven
Maybe they aren't?
Try backing up your camera then factory resetting it?
Or is it a 3rd party lens?
fair gull
na the original canon zoom lens it came with
astral haven
Dang
Wait is it a zoom lens?
vagrant elk
I think my camera has been in storage too long.
It's only been a few years but it will not turn on even when it's plugged in.
astral haven
Ah
You might not get proper correction if you don't have the lens bottomed out either direction
I dunno what canon does but my Sony isn't super happy
astral haven
It's only been a few years but it will not turn on even when it's plugged in.
Yoink the battery
My cameras current home
vagrant elk
Yoink the battery
Still nothing unfortunately.
fair gull
better setup than i have
astral haven
Still nothing unfortunately.
Big rip
astral haven
better setup than i have
Spent more on the lens than capture card+ camera+mic
And it's fixed 16mm :/
Solid bokeh tho
fair gull
the frick is bokeh
vagrant elk
Oh well. If it is in fact broken and won't turn on and it isn't an easy repair that I can do myself I can just get another one. It's mostly going to be used for keyboard pictures anyway.
astral haven
the frick is bokeh
Background blur
vagrant elk
I do have to admit that I am impressed with phone cameras over the past few years.
astral haven
vagrant elk
They have really high quality images for how small they are.
Most of it is post-processing but it's impressive nonetheless.
vagrant elk
Zaunkoenig M2K owner? You're amazing.
astral haven
Vs max bokeh of the phone
And the phone tries to bring back the slightly blurry stuff which is just ew
wheat plume
Oh boi, really living up to it's name now
vagrant elk
Oh boi, really living up to it's name now
What is that drive for anyway?
fair gull
we deny any responsibility for that abomination of a mouse
astral haven
The phone however allows for this minimum focus distance
wheat plume
What is that drive for anyway?
windows 10 :')
astral haven
we deny any responsibility for that abomination of a mouse
Wut?
wheat plume
I have 3 drives
Windows
Linux
Game libraries + documents and backups
(windows no show the Linux one)
vagrant elk
Probably because you use full-disk encryption I assume?
wheat plume
nah
astral haven
Jynx lol
wheat plume
shush
vagrant elk
Okay, here's a seriously dumb question but I genuinely don't know the answer.
I know there is HDR video but are there HDR pictures as well?
astral haven
Entirely different things
astral haven
I know there is HDR video but are there HDR pictures as well?
2 different hdrs
Hdr color depth data
And hdr contrast expanding tech
thick elk
you mean someone / company hacked in a driver that works. Still doesn't mean windows supports anything but it's own filesystems
latent mural
you can do it with WSL
astral haven
Actually tbh they are similar
But they are still very different
Hdr image data (hdr400 hdr10) adds extra brightness information to the image along with information on how to process colors
Hdr picture taking technique takes 3 (or more) different exposure images and takes the best exposed parts of each
astral haven
you mean someone / company hacked in a driver that works. Still doesn't mean win...
Namely Microsoft
thick elk
WSL is integrated, yes the distro's that run in the wsl vm are not
astral haven
Wsl1 literally was by definition integrated
thick elk
Either way you cannot use other filesystems as a first class citizen. Having a ext4 micro-sd is not something you'd want to use when touching a windows machine in general.
wsl 2 is basically a vm
thick elk
Either way you are talking far from native and in practice you generally would not want to use windows when using linux filesystems
fair gull
you mean someone / company hacked in a driver that works. Still doesn't mean win...
not hacked in legit driver... if we go by its not included in windows then linux supports jack shit
astral haven
Either way you are talking far from native and in practice you generally would n...
That's an opinion and one I disagree with
crimson wigeon
WSL2 runs under HyperV it's by definition a VM
astral haven
Nope
crimson wigeon
And giving that kernel direct access to storage to mount it so you can access it through Windows is the most gigascuffed way of mounting a filesystem
astral haven
It requires hyperv to be installed because it uses parts
But just like docker it's a container
In fact docker on wsl2 is a fantastic experience
astral haven
And giving that kernel direct access to storage to mount it so you can access it...
Again opinion
And it's far below kernel level
astral haven
Docker on windows uses wsl2
fair gull
uh no
astral haven
Least it does now
crimson wigeon
uh yes
thick elk
The reason is when it didn't it had to permanently take a pretty large chunk of memory for existing.
astral haven
Used to run in a full vm
Now its a proper wsl2 container
astral haven
It doesn't "need" it
But it works waaaaay faster with it
crimson wigeon
WSL 2 uses the latest and greatest in virtualization technology to run a Linux kernel inside of a lightweight utility virtual machine (VM). However, WSL 2 is not a traditional VM experience.
astral haven
That's a simplification for normies
And it specifically says at the end it's not a vm as you would traditionally think
astral haven
cut out windows entirely
But then you don't get the pnp of windows
thick elk
My solution is just to use linux and spin up a windows vm when I have to.
Every second I use it feel like a pain nowadays.
fair gull
my solution is to remote into a local or remote linux machine and do shit there
and vscode autosyncs or i git pull
fuck i wont use docker
crimson wigeon
Docker is for the boring normies cool kids have upgraded to podman
astral haven
Podman is kubernetes replacement no?
fair gull
cool kids write working code and dont require the enduser to install 50 other things with 30commands they may or may not have
worked so far
astral haven
Fucking Asus with their virtualbox vm file
crimson wigeon
What do you mean working code you totally need a gorillion dependencies just to left pad because who would want to write that themselves
thick elk
Ah yes the joys of javascript not supporting integers
astral haven
Lol
fair gull
and even worse https://www.npmjs.com/package/true
fair gull
Ah yes the joys of javascript not supporting integers
it does
btw the code for the true package
crimson wigeon
But why would you when you can just use strings everywhere
fair gull
is literal enterprise garbage
astral haven
Then there's me sitting over here writing Google apps script psuedocode
fair gull
isnt gscript a modified js engine
fair gull
na
astral haven
I just said it seems
vagrant pagoda
so
i have been playing New Vegas
and having a bunch of crashes
and chalked it up to NV being buggy
well it wast
craggy panther
yeah, fallout being fallout i guess
vagrant pagoda
my new fancy titatium psu stays fanless while playing
craggy panther
not a problem
craggy panther
it'll kick in harder when needed
craggy panther
and how do you know that?
vagrant pagoda
flir
craggy panther
?
craggy panther
so you're looking at your RAM temp with that
a handheld IR temp reader.
you know, you might as well try improving your airflow.
rather than dealing with that expensive device..
vagrant pagoda
its not a handheld thermometer
craggy panther
IR temp reader
vagrant pagoda
and its not expensive
craggy panther
i didn't say thermometer literally hooked up via cable.
i know what it is.
regardless, you can use better airflow or ambient temps, from what it sounds like
vagrant pagoda
i mean its just an odd issue
i changed my fan profiles and it seems to have helped
just an odd one
craggy panther
you're not giving enough details
what voltage the RAM is working at?
which sticks?
etc
craggy panther
you don't know the answer to these yet you dial an IR thermometer at the sticks?
that's ironic
and no your PSU shouldn't be doing that.
it should be facing down under
craggy panther
then you don't know what you're doing..
why?
why on earth would you have a top PSU case?
is this 2004 or SFF?
vagrant pagoda
ill let you in on a secret, its not in the top
craggy panther
then you have an ITX system down under the case or something
or an upside down form factor
vagrant pagoda
full atx
craggy panther
cause otherwise none of what you're saying makes any sense at all.
vagrant pagoda
normal motherboard orientation
craggy panther
ok how about sending a pic?
vagrant pagoda
psu is front mounted
craggy panther
cause it is NOT possible for a PSU that looks at the BOTTOM of the case to interfere with your RAM that much
what chassis?
give some details...
vagrant pagoda
yes
craggy panther
finally
vagrant pagoda
never said it was
vagrant pagoda
i dont need your help
craggy panther
you obviously do
vagrant pagoda
and
craggy panther
you clearly have no idea what you're doing.
vagrant pagoda
atx spec says nothing about the location of the psu
craggy panther
i suggest you start off by adjusting your RAM voltage
full ATX means full size board OR
in the case of a CHASSIS, FULL TOWER
do you know what these mean?
cause if you do, you wouldn't talk like that.
craggy panther
i'm making these assumptions cause you sound like you have zero clue what you're on
vagrant pagoda
has nothing to do with the case
craggy panther
ATX is a case spec as well
vagrant pagoda
no
craggy panther
yes
vagrant pagoda
you literally said that atx was a case spec
craggy panther
like you can't fit an E-ATX board in a M-ATX case typically speaking
astral haven
The atx spec includes the case screw placements and the case fan placements
craggy panther
i was wrong on my wording
but that is true.
you're coming up with some wild claims about RAM working at 90C, using IR reader and then having your PSU front mounted using a regular layout..
i think you really need to post a picture of your system.
astral haven
craggy panther
it is a spec.
astral haven
Page 8
craggy panther
it is literally the spec of the screw holes.
astral haven
"atx chassis"
vagrant pagoda
so motherboard are forced to have ide and floppy connectors by that logic
craggy panther
those are no longer existing but that's not related.
it's cause they're OLD standards that are PHASED OUT.
vagrant pagoda
the spec
craggy panther
the spec is changed
craggy panther
there are ATX various specs
like ATX 1.0, 1.1
i made that up but it goes like that.
it does have a fair amount to do with the case itself
the mounting screw holes
astral haven
What
vagrant pagoda
its how to design and layour motherboards and psus
craggy panther
lol
craggy panther
that's bullshit
you can make a custom solution that is NOT ATX
and have it on box..
that's literally what workers do while they're designing custom CPUs and stuff like that
outside of the realm of your typical intel & AMD
craggy panther
what proof do i need to give?
vagrant pagoda
how you use a atx motherboard and psu have NOTHING to do with the spec
astral haven
Literally showed you in the spec where they define the case layout for an atx chassis
craggy panther
he's being a waste of time
astral haven
???
vagrant pagoda
ATX defines motherboard and psu features, it has nothing about how a case is layed out or if one even exists
craggy panther
also being weird about tech..
AT
i think you really need to also go look up what those things mean and stand for.
astral haven
ATX defines motherboard and psu features, it has nothing about how a case is lay...
That's like uh saying nema5-15 isn't a spec for power cables since it only defines the receptacle
craggy panther
lol yeah.
astral haven
Like you can't be serious here right?
Oh wait
You arent a native English speaker are you?
craggy panther
let's not knock him for being one or not
astral haven
Wait no wtf your steam says Florida
craggy panther
but he sure as hell being weird
vagrant pagoda
lol
neither of you
have shown a single bit of text
from the atx spec
that says its about cases
craggy panther
you have either never heard of an "ATX platform" and what it uses or you're just confused
astral haven
Except the part where they define an atx chassis
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1544/2
Read this article from anandtech summarizing the spec
This page is about the differences between at and atx
vagrant pagoda
you have either never heard of an "ATX platform" and what it uses or you're just...
so me the specs for "atx platform"
astral haven
...
craggy panther
literally what you're using, i'm using ATX as well. i got a full ATX mobo on a full tower case, for example
astral haven
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1544/2
Read this article from anandtech summarizi...
@vagrant pagoda read this
craggy panther
he did, twice.
vagrant pagoda
a SINGLE bit of text that has anything do do
craggy panther
lul
craggy panther
when he posted the pic of the AT case layout.. that one with the floppy and stuff you called him out for
vagrant pagoda
when he posted the pic of the AT case layout.. that one with the floppy and stuf...
that is a PICTURE
not text
craggy panther
you even said so according to that, modern PCs should have floppy
vagrant pagoda
if you were confused
vagrant pagoda
no they ahvent
craggy panther
that, there are various different ATX specifications / versions today.
vagrant pagoda
ATX 2.2 is the latest spec from INTEL
craggy panther
yes they did
that's why you have that 2.2 you genius
the 1.0 had floppies and stuff..
vagrant pagoda
yes and i linked 2.2
craggy panther
that's where we've gotten today.
vagrant pagoda
and there is nothing in that defines a "ATX case"
craggy panther
the evolution in ATX specs is literally the 1.0, 1.2 etc
astral haven
ATX 2.2 is the latest spec from INTEL
Go to page 8 of the spec and screenshot it
craggy panther
there are PSU complied stuffs and other bits accordingly
craggy panther
from the standard of ATX..
vagrant pagoda
its an example of an atx motherboard and psu being used
try reading
the text
in that document
craggy panther
it's just saying that, if you ever assembled any form of modern ATX PC, you would know that there are HOLES for an ATX board on an ATX case
the mobo tray is ATX, then it holds like E-ATX, M-ATX, etc..
unless you're rocking some dell using a proprietary form factor or something.
vagrant pagoda
the mobo tray is ATX, then it holds like E-ATX, M-ATX, etc..
that is incorrect
not all ATX cases will take matx
craggy panther
how so?
vagrant pagoda
and not all atx cases will take e-atx
craggy panther
that has nothing to do with what i said
but rather a limitation of specific cases.
vagrant pagoda
"he mobo tray is ATX, then it holds like E-ATX, M-ATX, etc.." is what you said
vagrant pagoda
just bause something is ATX dose not mean it will fit MATX or E-ATX
craggy panther
it was just an example
of course
it's all related to what case and board you're using exactly.
true mist
Do wooting keyboards work on console
craggy panther
that comes down on the compatibility bits
but does not change the fact that ATX is also a case standard.
vagrant pagoda
its not though
vagrant pagoda
now
craggy panther
lol
vagrant pagoda
lol
craggy panther
yeah, must be why you're pointing that IR meter at your RAM
seeing 90C and complaining about it here
obviously you do need help
astral haven
Page 16
"All keepout areas are now required for chassis implementations that are to be ATX 2.01 compliant."
craggy panther
but whether you'll take that help or not is questionable at this point.
so i should not bother
astral haven
In the actual Intel spec btw
The 2.2 spec is not intel
true mist
Hello can someone help me
astral haven
The last page also defines some general goals for an atx case
true mist
Does the wooting work on console
astral haven
Does the wooting work on console
No but check out #archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards or other support stuff
vagrant pagoda
yep and a motherboard sitting on a box with the psu istting next to it would be spec
so it dosent define the case at all
craggy panther
that makes what you said incorrect.
vagrant pagoda
i said it would be spec
astral haven
Atx specifically calls for mounts for an atx psu and an atx motherboard
craggy panther
i see you're running out of ideas to troll us by now..
yeah but i think he tried to say, you can put an ATX hole board on a box
and we knew that already.
in fact, you can put ATX board on non-ATX stuff too..
you can make your own case.
vagrant pagoda
you dont need holes
astral haven
Along with a fan at the area near the processor
craggy panther
maybe make a magnet to use the backplate
and mount it on a wall
who cares?
it's still an "ATX board".
rofl..
astral haven
"Allowable thickness of a chassis back panel that the I/O shield can clip into is in the range 0.037” (0.94mm) to 0.052” (1.32mm) (Fig. 4)."
Oh I forgot about that too they define the Io shield clip
craggy panther
i mean we do go out of the echelon of that "fan on the area near CPU" designs sometimes nowadays
like with open air cases that look like bench decks.
but still, ATX board is ATX and ATX case holes are ATX..
vagrant pagoda
you can just point the psu fan at the mobo
craggy panther
that is.. silly.
astral haven
Anyways we have provided plenty of proof that it is a case standard
@vagrant pagoda provide a single statement that atx doesnt define the case from intel
craggy panther
modern machines have PSU facing downwards to the case, downright
vagrant pagoda
considering atx is a motherboard spec from intel
vagrant pagoda
id say they know what they are doing
craggy panther
given the airflow designs of today.
do they though on everything?
are intel the holy grail of computing world?
or are they just sucking your wallet using their 350W 10900Ks?
astral haven
considering atx is a motherboard spec from intel
No
Atx from intel defines the atx standard
The atx standard covers motherboard mostly but also defines the required case and psu features to support one
craggy panther
exactly..
vagrant pagoda
but
astral haven
We provided exact quotes from the standard you provided which set specific requirements for cases
craggy panther
this started because you weren't even giving us what case you're using.
vagrant pagoda
this started because you weren't even giving us what case you're using.
you didnt ask
you just assumed
craggy panther
you're not using a standard off the shelf layout for sure
i had to
cause you were NOT telling it.
astral haven
this started because my psu was up front
Page 18 " The intended location and fan direction in an ATX system is for the power supply fan to draw in cool air from outside the chassis and exhaust it directly onto the processor."
craggy panther
well we've moved from that
that's the old ATX standard you know
on those days, we had 80mm fans on PSUs
but that's majorly no longer a thing due to the poor design of loud fans blowing or sucking.
vagrant pagoda
92 if you were lucky
craggy panther
either way, that's the old standard
they might or might not have changed it regarding new PSUs, but modern units do use 120mm and above
like 135, 140, etc
vagrant pagoda
or none
craggy panther
yeah well passive works
you can buy a big ass PSU and make it work passive
although low RPMs would work better IMO
vagrant pagoda
my top rad pulls pretty good air though my psu so its prob why it stays fanless
astral haven
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/pc/at/1502494_PC_AT_Technical_Reference_Mar84.pdf
Here is the at standard that defines everything else you need that the atx spec didn't change
Atx only really says here are where the standoffs go now and here's how we removed live ac power from the power button
Besides that they are leaving the chassis the same from the at standard which does cover an exact definition if you wish to avoid deviating from the exact placements
vagrant pagoda
also the intersting thing is the rgb shuts off at around 80c
its controller on the dimms must have over temp protection
dont know why dimms dont have temperature sensors either
astral haven
80c dimm temp?
vagrant pagoda
yes
astral haven
Uuuh
Be careful about that
Dimm temp is the temperature of the PCB
It's not like CPU or GPU where it's attached to the silicon
80c is insanely high for dimm temps
vagrant pagoda
there arent sensors on the dimms
this is with the flir
on the heat spreaders
and they are cool now
astral haven
Ok so same story
vagrant pagoda
i was just watching back though the video
and they shut off around 80
and back on at around 70
so atleast the rgb controller micro has over temp
even if the dimms dont lol
astral haven
It's probably not over temperature
I would suspect the ic is just not operating at those temps
astral haven
on the heat spreaders
Wait
Heatspreaders????
As in this 80c isn't on the ics directly???
astral haven
What
About 50% has temperature sensors (if it has heatspreaders)
Afaik only Corsair leaves them off
Between the big 3 I mean
vagrant pagoda
when its done doing a sfc
halcyon moss
lol teslabot
wheat plume
Why does the Ubuntu installer give you an option to show terminal output as it installs but not the Calamares installer which is used prmarily in Arch distros?
old marlin
why doesn't every distro include every package 
wheat plume
Whut?
The problem is, if Calamares has an error, you wont know what it is until you go find the log file in some folder location that it doesnt tell you about
wheat plume
Yes
Im saying why does the Ubuntu one show terminal output and not the one used on typically more advanced distros?
old marlin
since ubuntu is made for people as an entry to linux
those people should not be flooded with data
if they should a decent experience
wheat plume
but they are flooded with data if they click on the terminal icon in the install screen
wheat plume
LOL
shadow minnow
Why does the forge installer refuse to open ;-;
halcyon moss
that does look like a w2 he
wheat plume
Why does the forge installer refuse to open ;-;
Do you have java installed?
shadow minnow
Do you have java installed?
Yes, first time I try to open it it even send me to Java link. Now it’s installed, also restarted pc, and yet neither universal, neither installer or neither win installer work. I double click them and nothing happens.
wheat plume
you can run them with the java command if you download the installer .jar file
java -jar forge.jar
shadow minnow
``java -jar forge.jar``
Where to put the command?
wheat plume
cmd
go to the folder location and then type cmd into the location bar in the file manager
and that should open the command prompt in that folder
reef tundra
capslock+enter 
dont you have the terminal on hotkey
reef tundra
or with dmenu by super + d.
crisp granite
🤨
crisp granite
who pissed in your cornflakes, johnny boy?
pale sigil
Lmao bexin
shadow minnow
Discord still did not learn how to upload pro raw photos smh
Even edupage can do that 
shadow minnow
``java -jar forge.jar``
reef tundra
Why would they, costs too much bandwidth for no gain
shadow minnow
No idea what files and how to get them though, since I have installed everything normally.
reef patrol
shadow minnow
is the jar file actually forge.jar?
Renamed it to that
wheat plume
he is yes
shadow minnow
Is this on Windows
Yes
shadow minnow
You're doing it wrong
How to do it correctly?
halcyon moss
well.. you use a mod loader or something.
wheat plume
Forge IS the mod loader
halcyon moss
ok, i mean multimc or ftb or something
young pecan
I'll go grab a batch file with the flags.
What version is this for?
@shadow minnow
halcyon moss
because why torture yourself with this manual labour? :p
shadow minnow
ok, i mean multimc or ftb or something
Multi mc does not work with this custom modpack for some reason
shadow minnow
What version is this for?
1.12.2
young pecan
Multi mc does not work with this custom modpack for some reason
Alright.
Now are you trying to make a server as well or just run the thing?
shadow minnow
Now are you trying to make a server as well or just run the thing?
Run the thing
young pecan
Wait, why are you dealing with jar files if you're not trying to make a server?
What modpack even is this?
Also why are you trying to run jar files via batch?
@shadow minnow Tell me the modpack name.
wheat plume
hacker woman xd
young pecan
hacker woman xd
OH FUCK, THE MAINFRAME NOOOO!
shadow minnow
<@!590931863951114260> Tell me the modpack name.
It’s fully custom.
wheat plume
LOL
shadow minnow
Wait, why are you dealing with jar files if you're not trying to make a server?
Idk, installing forge this way always worked on macOS
shadow minnow
Who made it?
I
young pecan
Alrighty then.
Ok, gimmie a sec. I need to take some screenshots.
Use MultiMC for this.
shadow minnow
But atm I just want to install forge
wheat plume
@shadow minnow
young pecan
<@!590931863951114260>
No, none of this.
wheat plume
it work
young pecan
Man doesn't have the wisdom to avoid gigabyte, I am not going to be dealing with using files.
shadow minnow
Use MultiMC for this.
Does not work. Forgot the error, but at least on macOS it would not run through multi mc.
young pecan
- Add a 1.12.2 instance in MultiMC, just vanilla will do.
- Once you have your new 1.12.2 instance you need to click the
edit instancebutton, this will bring up a menu. - Once you have the menu up click the
install forgebutton, select the version with the star and click ok. Close out of the menu. - Click the
instance folderbutton. Add your mods and config to the folder like you would in a normal modpack.
It'll work like a normal modpack from there.
shadow minnow
1. Add a 1.12.2 instance in MultiMC, just vanilla will do.
2. Once you have your...
Again, this does not work with multi mc, tried it.
Also atm want to install normal forge to mc.
shadow minnow
<@!590931863951114260>
Used to get that forge window on macOS but now it refuses to appear ;-;
young pecan
If that's not working with multiMC you're fucking up the install.
shadow minnow
If that's not working with multiMC you're fucking up the install.
I mean the part that does not work is launching the modpack.
young pecan
Then you're fucking up somehow.
halcyon moss
because... of what? whats the error?
young pecan
Create a baseline forge and launch it.
wheat plume
then its not a forge issue
young pecan
If you add mods and it breaks it's your fault.
young pecan
@shadow minnow Learn to use MultiMC.
Make a basic modpack first.
Once it works add mods.
Y'know what?
Actually no.
Sec.
crisp granite
multiMC
shadow minnow
<@!590931863951114260> Learn to use MultiMC.
Again, I know how to. But there was one issue, I think with mod launching another window apart from mc but not sure. Also not gonna create whole modpack again, already 200 mods there.
young pecan
You can move the mods over.
shadow minnow
I know
young pecan
Screenshot #2
shadow minnow
I know how to use multimc
young pecan
#3
halcyon moss
Again, I know how to. But there was one issue, I think with mod launching anothe...
show us an error
young pecan
Make folders.
mods and config
Move the shit over, boot.
If it's not booting after that then you likely have an external issue.
Or the mods are screwed.
If screwed, check Java version.
shadow minnow
show us an error
Okay, gonna add it again. But while doing that, any idea how to solve this issue with forge not installing to Minecraft launcher?
crimson wigeon
There we go repasted my GPU now it can mi game without the fans getting stupid loud
young pecan
There we go repasted my GPU now it can ~~mi~~ game without the fans getting stup...
Pog
How much temp did you drop?
crimson wigeon
Dunno it used to be like 82 C with fans like max now it's 75
crimson wigeon
Good old R9 Fury cause everything else is unobtainable
young pecan
Jesus fuck, that thing.
crisp granite
hopefully not one of the watercooled ones
young pecan
Isn't the world record for power use with LN2 like 900 watts on that card?
crimson wigeon
Nah, air cooled
crisp granite
good
old marlin
the watercooled cards of the world basically have an expiration date
all AIOs do
young pecan
Ngl tho, R9 Fury Nano is pretty pog.
old marlin
with most AIO cards you can just use any asetek cooler
young pecan
The PCB on that card is nuts.
old marlin
pro duo 
young pecan
pro duo <:dafoe:576929368698388480>
Yeee.
old marlin
for maximum power use
young pecan
Look at this stupidity.
crimson wigeon
When are they gonna duct tape 3 GPUs together 🤔
old marlin
lol
young pecan
Actually have we ever had a triple GPU card on a single PCB?
old marlin
afaik no
reef tundra
thats what you believe
young pecan
Never? Not even for a science card or accelerator?
old marlin
we had a single gpu with 2 different cores though
young pecan
I know we've had 2 cards with 2 cores each with a conjoining substrate before.
That was in the Voodoo days.
young pecan
:(
crimson wigeon
Ah yes the good old days of dedicated PhysX cards before Nvidia swooped in
reef tundra
Nvidia was smart and did the next best thing ?????
crisp granite
crisp granite
better than having a dedicated physx card
halcyon moss
ah i remember the option of adding a second dedicated physx card
halcyon moss
a second graphics card just for physics
reef tundra
great for spending your lifetime on to simulate it to make sure timing is just right
old marlin
Ah yes the good old days of dedicated PhysX cards before Nvidia swooped in
was way later than that
crimson wigeon
Yeah
crimson wigeon
Ah yes thermi
young pecan
Ah yes thermi
old marlin
there were actual multiple dual 460 designs
only one dual 480 design though
guess why it never made it to market
ashen spindle
How ironic, thermi was the 400 series and the 4000 series is gonna be the next thermi 🥵
young pecan
Yeah, which ran insanely hot.
old marlin
powercolor actually made a 295x2 and a 7990 before amd made each
ashen spindle
One word to describe next gen: WATTS
old marlin
young pecan
One word to describe next gen: WATTS
Or: watts next gen (I can't find any cards. :C)
I am SO FUCKING READY for 4090 price.
old marlin
Yeah, which ran insanely hot.
I am sure 90% ended up in mining farms
crimson wigeon
But how well will it mine?!
young pecan
Those were awful for mining.
Absolutely awful.
Power hogs, low efficiency, they produced way too much heat, super thick cards so they were shit all for space efficiency.
Bad mining cards.
reef tundra
Those were awful for mining.
Use a pickaxe, elon probably knows where they are
reef tundra
https://tenor.com/view/the-secret-ingredient-is-crime-jbone666-mouthful-building...
You make a nuclear reactor you know the meta
old marlin
shadow minnow
Yeah, so apparently Java has some issue with most old installers. Which sucks since I can’t use never versions for some mods to work.
wheat plume
What java version do you have?
shadow minnow
What java version do you have?
Newest one, not sure which one is it. Also, any idea what is needed to do to make versions work. Tried to move same folder that was in versions for forge in macOS but it does not launch and exit code is 0, same happening with macOS when just version is moved.
young pecan
New Java doesn't work with 1.12.2.
wheat plume
^^ you need Java 8
young pecan
It's crashing because you fucked up and aren't using the right Java version.
Layer 8 problems, always.
reef patrol
Imagine needing to downgrade Java... which is supposed to be backwards compatible by design...to get minecraft to work 😄
wheat plume
I have muktiple versions installed just in case and tell each profile in my minecraft launcher what one to use
wheat plume
Well, I use the latest one always unless it causes issues
Then I change the java path in the profile with the issue
shadow minnow
^^ you need Java 8
I am on version 8 update 301
wheat plume
You may need to tell that to the profile, because it uses the built in minecraft one by default
shadow minnow
Strange thing it that it works fine on macOS, this is issue with moving versions, there most likely is supposed to be something else changed too, since idk why it not work. Gonna try to use Java installers with Java 7 or idk.
young pecan
Strange thing it that it works fine on macOS, this is issue with moving versions...
Moving versions?
Wym? You moved an entire OS, no?
Am I retarded? (Yes)
shadow minnow
Wym? You moved an entire OS, no?
Sure, but moving “version” (where stuff liked 1.12.2, 1.15 is and is used when launching) had the same error when moving it between two PCs with same OS so maybe it would work if I found the issue.
shadow minnow
Sure, so many user errors one can do with moving one file.
Why do you expect every single thing that does not work to me (and is not related to product manufactured by gigabyte) to be made by me, and that I am completely stupid smh.
But also my ssd was made by gigabyte 
young pecan
I expect everyone to fuck up.
shadow minnow
Getting the same error as when trying to open Java installer, strange
Especially since on mac it works, but moving it to another mac caused the same issue, and also that was with optifine and not forge.
young pecan
Do baseline Forge versions work?
In MultiMC.
Better start troubleshooting.
'Cause if baseline forge works then we have an easy solution.
If not... hmm.
Perhaps bad Java install?
shadow minnow
Well, gonna try multimc again if new version or different OS fixed the issue, which is possible
Loading stage of huge custom modpacks always takes too long
But it’s better than previously on MacBook
Well, gonna return in about 5 minutes when it’s possibly in next stage of loading
young pecan
shadow minnow
It worked, I guess it was issue with multi mc and macOS, multimc not being able to open one extra app for one mod.
shadow minnow
And you haven’t heard of my ram atm yet
Why does Java want to communicate on private network
Also it crashed when creating new world smh
Worked on macOS last time I tried
pale sigil
Bruh
pale sigil
Why does Java want to communicate on private network
Cos java is being used on an application that requires network reeeee
Mc for example lan
shadow minnow
Also it crashed when creating new world smh
Ticking entity this time. Also fun trying to find source with over 175 mods, most of them being quite big mods.
young pecan
Rebuild pack, tbh.
I suggest running the optimization mods first and really getting them going well, do the base config.
From there add the primary mods and redo config.
Then secondaries and polish.
Make dedi server and pregen.
NUT AT PERFORMANCE.
shadow minnow
Have some optimalization mods but they don’t do that much. Well some do, especially duplicate finding ones.
young pecan
You aren't using them right if they aren't doing much.
Just Phosphor does insane shit.
Phosphor is maybe the single most nut mod in the entirety of Curse.
Just free 30 to 50FPS depending on system.
I can't suck the cock of Phosphor hard enough, you have no understanding of how much time that mod has saved me.
shadow minnow
Just free 30 to 50FPS depending on system.
With iGPU it will be more like 3 to 5 fps
shadow minnow
Even on MacBook with better GPU this modpack ran not good.
young pecan
Bruh, it's a macbook.
Poor GPU was probably only working at 60% speed due to throttling.
shadow minnow
You aren't using them right if they aren't doing much.
Not sure if any optimalization mod can help much when there are 130 000 items
young pecan
They really can.
shadow minnow
Poor GPU was probably only working at 60% speed due to throttling.
And it was still faster, even over 2 times faster in some cases
old marlin
especially then
young pecan
My guy, 2B2T exists and is somehow stable, don't knock mods and plugins.
ESPECIALLY plugins.
Never underestimate plugins.
old marlin
I mean
young pecan
Idk how tf that server even runs anymore.
shadow minnow
Actually super flat world runs pretty well
young pecan
But yeah dude, you really wanna be making a good modpack from the ground up.
Just slamming 130k items into MC with 0 effort won't get you good performance since most mod devs don't optimize their shit like that.
Some do, Mekanism being an example.
But sadly most do not. :(
old marlin
Just slamming 130k items into MC with 0 effort won't get you good performance si...
mod devs should not worry about that
young pecan
Hence shit like FoamFix, Phosphor, Lithium, etc.
old marlin
since every mod having different optimization could make it worse
young pecan
Absolutely goddamn BS.
Making an efficient program should be at the top of a dev's priority in this case.
old marlin
oh yea obv
young pecan
Optimizing hard into 130k plus? No.
old marlin
problem is that the mod dev would first had to fix minecrafts own bs