what about ds
#🔌│tech
true quest
misty saffron
new 3ds xl
reef tundra
Well, what about ds?
true quest
hope i can find them
true quest
what do i pay for them
misty saffron
i paid like 50 bucks for my vita
and bought the new 3ds xl from a friend for about 100
misty saffron
i paid like 50 bucks for my vita
perfect condition also
ashen spindle
this aint a pr release really, this is a slide for tech reporters and such
hotchips isn't something investors look at
reef patrol
Do you think tech reporters understand tech? 😄
ashen spindle
the ones that attend hotchips? yes
chrome estuary
I kinda want a vita and I really want an n2dsxl
empty wren
halcyon moss
Jesus that's bad
empty wren
Microsoft could end up just disabling their driver, so should not be too late before something happens
vagrant elk
Razer is so dumb as a company. What kind of company decides it's a good idea to open an install prompt every time you plug in one of their products?
light kraken
Razer is so dumb as a company. What kind of company decides it's a good idea to ...
good mice
halcyon moss
windows does that
halcyon moss
usb speakers?
halcyon moss
you bought razer speakers? O-o
wheat plume
Yes
Well also no
I got them from a purchase I made at the store that sold them
As a raffle ticket
And I won one of the top 6 tickets and this was what I got
fringe grail
They’re not too bad actually the razer speakers. I had them at some point and while I wouldn’t recommend them. If you get they cheapest ones they’re pretty good for the price
old marlin
@fair gull we might buy a haswell based almost supercomputer
might be a supercomputer
unsure
fair gull
wha
old marlin
old high power cluster
from a university
on haswell architecture
tons of IBM blades
or lenovo blades
dunno who ran the servers at that time
shadow minnow
Aorus z590 master is great board with lot of bonuses - free broken temp sensor reader, free completely unsynced RGB, and as a bonus if you have purchased during period gigabyte was offering “cash back” for writing a review, you won’t heard of it ever again. 10/10 recommend
old marlin
so what is the Z590 board to get
reef tundra
Buy a wooting instead
old marlin
good idea
shadow minnow
Already have one
old marlin
how many pcie slots does it have
ashen spindle
one with AM4 socket 
shadow minnow
Not the best combination with some AN4 boards too considering USB issues 
reef patrol
They did fix the USB issues though :
ashen spindle
yup
shadow minnow
They did fix the USB issues though :
Heard that some people got 3 fix bioses and it still didn’t fix
reef patrol
If a board has the .2 AGESA patch, it should be resolved.
shadow minnow
Also nvm not temp sensor reader my head does not work. Two 2 pin connectors next to each other having same shape, of course I plugged it into wrong one 
Finally can see water temps
reef tundra
Temperature probes typically have no polarity. unless there is some circuitry inbetween the sensor and you
shadow minnow
Temperature probes typically have no polarity. unless there is some circuitry in...
Yeah, issue is I plugged it into what appears to be cmos reset instead since it was close and had the same shape
old marlin
shadow minnow
But it didn’t do anything luckily
But it looked better in cmos reset pins, was closer to the edge of board
reef tundra
Thats why you label and sometimes cut off header pins. Trap for young players
shadow minnow
Well now it’s solved My cpu just chilling in desktop at 30c too, and that 11900k is power hungry
reef tundra
Yea, intel went with the more power to gain more performance technique
shadow minnow
Tbh 11900k can eat a lot of power, but it has great thermal conductivity, so it does not get hot unless it’s really under lot of load with increased voltages and clocks
reef tundra
You mean the thermal sink being able to keep sinking that thermal load
shadow minnow
Sure, you need to have good cooler, but if yes, then it really Does not get so hot *
ashen spindle
it has a big area due to large cores
that causes heat to spread out
so it doesnt get as hot but still uses more power
if they would not have reduced core count it would've also been way worse
reef tundra
Something needs to keep tanking that thermal energy. conductivity only determines how quickly it can transfer it to other mediums.
shadow minnow
Sure, but with good enough coolers conductivity is also quite important.
Which is the case for me since until I get GPU there are two thick 360 rads to cool one cpu.
Also did me closing app just reset calibration of display and it’s gamma and now it looks terrible. Thanks windows.
ashen spindle
not windows fault...
not applying a setting on close without confirmation is something possible on everything
shadow minnow
not applying a setting on close without confirmation is something possible on ev...
I had the calibration set for multiple days
reef tundra
Drivers are responsible for handling GPUs. Windows is responsible for handling the drivers and keeping them alive.
shadow minnow
And it was saved
Closed completely unrelated app and it went away
Actually clicked on close button on hwinfo64 and instead of closing app it reset the calibration and I had to click again.
reef tundra
Windows cannot know if the driver is working correctly. Only if its doing something and not crashing.
ashen spindle
wait so you did color calibration on something thats neither the driver nor the monitor?
shadow minnow
wait so you did color calibration on something thats neither the driver nor the ...
No, I did color calibration long ago in windows, and now after a long time it just stopped working by me closing unrelated app that had nothing to do with calibration
reef tundra
So maybe that unrelated app did that?
ashen spindle
ngl I didnt even know the color calibration with profiles there works for anything besides pro software that uses the profiles
anything else I always did in either driver or monitor settings
shadow minnow
So maybe that unrelated app did that?
No idea. But idk how would hwinfo do it by me pressing close button, especially since I have already done that many times before without this happening. Sure, may be apps fault too, but pressing close button causing color calibration to go away sounds like a windows bug to me. Especially since system was completely stable at that time with cpu turbo even disabled.
vagrant pagoda
Lol people thinking modern desktop class CPUs are power hungery
ashen spindle
Just wait for newer gens if you want higher power numbers 
vagrant pagoda
You can start complaining when you're delaminating power planes
ashen spindle
Well at least we’re not getting CPU’s that come close to what gpus are gonna pull
vagrant pagoda
Back in my extreme AM3 overclocking days I killed a number of 990 FX's because the board swelled from heat breaking the vias
Boards are atleast built better now
Though we regressed on heat sinks for a long time because the vrms.got so efficient at stock
ashen spindle
can't just call a bald man a ball mouse...
reef tundra
Oh you are doing a master bait 🤔
vagrant elk
Ball mouse + split ergo keyboard
Take a look at ploopy. They make open-source ball mice.
Honestly, I almost fell for the ball mouse meme. Still considering it for a workstation as long as I have a different mouse dedicated to gaming.
shadow minnow
My cpu under 5% load during some games
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVNnPXzi1X4 alder lake talk right now
ashen spindle
vagrant pagoda
My cpu under 5% load during some games <:lul:576475280303063096>
5950x life is always under 5
shadow minnow
5950x life is always under 5
Ever tried Minecraft?
shadow minnow
Minecraft could get my cpu to 98c. Literally temps only linpack would hit, with no other stability tests coming even close
I mean sure, that was by blowing up tnt carpet, but still
reef tundra
Everybody is gangsta until the TI-84 calculators gets pulled to run doom
ashen spindle
if only they would make a public roadmap for gpus again 
intel meanwhile showing malder lake and confirming they really need win11 for it to run as it should
err wrong picture for that
ashen spindle
and of course intel has to be special and calls their DPUs IPUs zzz
astral haven
I mean to be fair there are no names that more than one vendor has approved
And uh
Dpu is an awful name
What processing unit doesn't process data???
ashen spindle
ehh sure I'm open for that argument, I just really hate companies reinventing names for the same thing they just slightly tweak and act like its something really different and all
like if nvidia would've called it IPU I'm 100% certain intel would've not called it IPU
astral haven
Everyone was calling them smartnics before and everyone was happy
Oh wait I stand corrected
Fungible calls them dpus
But for fungible it's Distributed not Data PU
ashen spindle
idc just agree on one thing and not have 4 different names for the same shit xD
also fun tidbit, they made it sound like zen3 was fully designed with V Cache in mind
astral haven
It was
ashen spindle
so there is some small chance they wanted to have v Cache on zen3 release
and tsmc was not ready yet
ashen spindle
ehh, aside from this talk I dont remember any point where that was implied?
astral haven
If you have a really good sanding machine you could add it to your z3
It's the same die as current dies
Except for the whole being sanded down part
ashen spindle
ik they have the connection points and all, but till now I think it always was made to sound like it was planned to not have a redesign and add V cache added later, not that they were forced to wait
the worrying part about that, if that was a delay I just hope it's a one time hiccup and not TSMC doing an intel
astral haven
ik they have the connection points and all, but till now I think it always was m...
What's the difference
astral haven
the worrying part about that, if that was a delay I just hope it's a one time hi...
And whatever, tsmc never promised
Intel broke promisee
ashen spindle
well yeah hence I only hope it's either not the case or just a one time thing
though not really worried even if that were the case, given how it works now and even intels foveros is int he future and still not even close to the same bonding thinness
astral haven
Cold welding is a bit jank to be fair
But if they can get it consistent then more power to them
ashen spindle
it's just impressive that tsmc got bump height down to 9 microns and intel is only targeting 10 with foveros-next in like 25
ah, correction, Q3 23
granted it's not the exact same tech
astral haven
Definitely not
reef tundra
Dick Processing Unit
astral haven
Foveros is like balancing on a pogo stick where tsmc 3d stacking is like firmly planting yourself on the base
It's alot harder and i don't see the point but making it work is alot more impressive lol
ashen spindle
from my (rather limited understanding I admit) I think the denser packing is important for future tech such as in die liquid cooling etc.
astral haven
Oh this is unrelated to that
Physical connections (and therefore thermal) are alot easier than electrical
ashen spindle
I can't find what I was looking for, I thought AT had a short part showing how the denser packaging was related
might look for it tomorrow
astral haven
For direct (like foveros direct and tsmc 3d) it doesn't matter
ashen spindle
maybe im mixing it up with something else, but I certainly remember something about a future packaging tech that is related to bump height
but 2am aint the time to remember big brain things I dont even fully understand lmao
astral haven
Well bump height sure
But foveros direct and tsmc 3d don't have bumps
At least not in the 3d sense
The bumps have area but not volume
ashen spindle
ya I think I do see the misunderstand I had
cowos and info are different things etc.
I need to find a good book on uArch design at some point so my brain stops frying itself
astral haven
This is alot lower level than uarch design lol
wheat plume
CowOS?
Damn... I knew the cows were hiding something
ashen spindle
yeah maybe easier is the wrong word, makes more sense for me as I want to better understand wtf my code is doing when it gets executed and for that uArch > substrate tech
not that I expect to understand it all in a couple weeks lmao
astral haven
Won't help with understanding the phy magic
ashen spindle
and currently I don't even touch c or c++ code so it's not even relevant to my work but I just want to know it better
thats how
astral haven
Magnets <:what:627533983877693440> thats how
Close but not entirely
reef tundra
I blame obama for this
ashen spindle
also the worst part about understanding, when you know someone gets a bad deal and can't help 
friend in the uk needs a new pc/gpu and holy shit knowing what he gets for the money physically hurts me
reef tundra
Because it cost an arm and a leg? Would make sense to hurt.
ashen spindle
this pc we're looking at is 700pound over msrp prices and just has a 6700xt
vagrant elk
Quid.
I know pound and quid are interchangeable but I just love reading and saying quid. It's a fun word.
reef tundra
brexit means brexit.
ashen spindle
yeah brexit means I cant grab a FE card at msrp and easily send it over sadly lmao
reef tundra
Pro se is also a fun word
neat oriole
Seems like any USB device that installs software upon plugging in is fucked
reef tundra
Wooting should capitalise on the situation with marketing that they dont autoinstall software and are safer or something
shadow minnow
Tbh don’t think everything should be just capitalized in, especially since wooting normally does not go so far with marketing
old marlin
not a new problem entirely
halcyon moss
Wooting should capitalise on the situation with marketing that they dont autoins...
doesnt matter, ypu jus need to bring a razer mouse
old marlin
wtf
old hp storeserv stuff is chap af
a shlf with 48 1.8TB drives
only costs 4.8k
neat oriole
Those drives are probably minutes away from failing
old marlin
probably 
comes with 12 months of warranty
even if you buy a new one every year and write the old one off
it is cheap
halcyon moss
loosing data isnt though!
neat oriole
That’s why you buy a second rack to back up the first rack 
halcyon moss
also consider power usages, thats stuff (especially in germany) isnt cheap!
neat oriole
I wonder if anyone has stored crypto on a drive only for the drive to die in storage or something
old marlin
thing is
halcyon moss
welll... i have my wallet file in a very strongly encrypted zip file and i dont have the password
halcyon moss
harddrives are becomming something of a special use case these days, normal consumers are generally better off with just ssds
neat oriole
Data hoarders tho
halcyon moss
yeah special use :p
neat oriole
I should probably get a nas
halcyon moss
desktop use? fuck no. gaming? nope
old marlin
we can get empty IBM DCS3700
and just throw in some new drives
like seagate ironwolf Rrecue+ drives or some shit
neat oriole
Aren’t there super fast hard drives entering the enterprise space?
neat oriole
Super fast as in sata ssd
neat oriole
Like a hard drive that can sustain 500MBps
fickle ore
Diablo 2 Resurrected loads zones super fast on my Intel 900p 280gb 😄
I'm gonna be THE Baalrunner
neat oriole
https://www.servethehome.com/seagate-exos-2x14-mach-2-500mbps-hard-drive-launched/ yeah these things
500MBps spinning rust
neat oriole
I imagine they’ll have better sustain than most SSDs
Since SSDs basically go down to hdd after they run out of cache
halcyon moss
which monitor do you have?
old marlin
fair gull
i mean its only 192tb raw right
no raid
actually
id need
like
one of those with 16tb drives in it
fair gull
"need" or need
need
idk if i ever posted the complete size of my google drives
but its over 160tb
and rising
quickly actually
and i really want to keep a local copy
fair gull
yes
wheat plume
How much does that cost? wtf
old marlin
ah
wheat plume
At some point, you sent 160TB data to google drive....
wheat plume
how beast is your internet speed?
fair gull
just delete some
no
its already a nice archive
and sometimes has stuff archive.org doesnt
wheat plume
94TB of video...
fair gull
i nedd it to be accessible like any network drive
old marlin
and just fine for archiveable stuff
fair gull
esxi with SAN access would be nicest
old marlin
wheat plume
I hate how germany uses , as the tens seperater
old marlin
why esxi with san access
old marlin
I hate how germany uses ``,`` as the tens seperater
same
makes typing ips with numpad terrible
cause you need 2 hands
fair gull
wha
old marlin
since the numpad has , on it
wheat plume
huh?
old marlin
instead of .
wheat plume
OO
reef patrol
I hate how germany uses ``,`` as the tens seperater
Europe* Europe does xD
wheat plume
1,6TB etc
old marlin
the decimal separator
fair gull
oh ya
reef patrol
Wait... no wait..
old marlin
Europe* Europe does xD
not all of europe
most of the european countries do
not all of them
old marlin
afaik germany is the major one with close to 100% of market share of their own keyboard layout
old marlin
eh
a lot of asian countries use similar systems
a LOT better than the roman numeral system at least
wheat plume
yeh it might be :P
do you need to use . to divide the rest?
such as 1.000.000 is one million?
halcyon moss
you havent been a programmer for very long eh :p
localization of these kind of things suck balls
😶
wheat plume
why only 30?
halcyon moss
thats what it defaulted to. it is horrible
it felt like my laptop was fail8ing to keep up 😒
but at 60hz it is fine
vapid zodiac
only 60 hz 
halcyon moss
well 4k60 is fine for office work
vapid zodiac
depends what "office work" is
halcyon moss
typing software :p
vapid zodiac
gotta have something to do between those meetings amirite?
but ye 60 is fine for that, but good monitors these days do 75 at least
ashen spindle
I mean I do like my 100hz for visual studio already, makes scrolling and so just a tad smoother. Though obviously not insanely needed
halcyon moss
true, it is absolutely nicer... for my own screen i might get a second 27" 1440p screen with something above 100hz.
currently at a desk of a friend in a coworking space
display scaling in linux has.. issues.. when reconnecting etc
fair gull
do you need to use ``.`` to divide the rest?
can u at least use proper code tags
halcyon moss
how is this not proper?
reef patrol
2.000.000.000,45 is the only true format.
fair gull
yes
halcyon moss
halcyon moss
this is from the web version
halcyon moss
k
fair gull
ok it seems markdown does support double backticks but should only be used when you expect to use singular backticks inside that inline codeblock
guess its a case of not all renderers support it
vagrant pagoda
I have been trying to tell me self to now upgrade my monitor for months lol
I have a 2-3 year old lg oled
It's only 4k60
They have 4k120 now
ashen spindle
if you use it for work, do it
if its just for gaming wait till end of next year for new gpus
thats my view on it
wheat plume
can u at least use proper code tags
whats wrong with it?
halcyon moss
whats wrong with it?
it was discussed below it.. read :p
reef tundra
1M for the real Gs
wheat plume
oh
reef tundra
1M RP BET RN
wheat plume
huh?
reef tundra
Gold trims are sold out
vagrant pagoda
ill take the old one
It's lost prob 1/4 of it's brightness
But some how I have no burn in
ashen spindle
no burn in if you just make sure all are burned equally
halcyon moss
It's lost prob 1/4 of it's brightness
oh boy that is a lot 😮
or.. was it super bright before? and now its just "bright"
fair gull
maybe u just got used to the brightness
fair gull
It's lost prob 1/4 of it's brightness
so 40bucks
empty wren
or.. was it super bright before? and now its just "bright"
Large oled displays are typically not that bright, the new 2021 lg panels are.
fair gull
oi dont ruin my deal
halcyon moss
that just makes it worse
ashen spindle
tf you realise after hours you are just stupid and had the nullcheck the wrong way 
I mean, I am doing great, all the code works fine now, fixed all the dozen issues it had in short time!
old marlin
oof
ashen spindle
"yes, only grab the object if the hand is NOT close to it" 
vagrant pagoda
or.. was it super bright before? and now its just "bright"
OLED aren't ever super bright at tv size
You can't really have the windows open
Luckily I am a nerd and have all my windows blacked out
And have red lighting for night time lol
ashen spindle
crimson wigeon
Ah oui oui bonjour magnifique
neat oriole
Je m’appelle baguette si vois plait une bibliotheque de croissant
reef tundra
I too like baquettes
crisp granite
Je m’appelle baguette si vois plait une bibliotheque de croissant
Bonjour Monsieur Baguette
👋
ashen spindle
think this might be the first public appeareance of tom since he went to intel from nvidia?
vagrant pagoda
astral haven
Ew mlid
ashen spindle
yeah its weird, the guy started of with clearly fake leaks and not a lot of understanding
and now has had some accurate intel leaks for whatever reason
still dont think he really gets most of it though
astral haven
There's a guy I know trying to clean up the leak community and apparently they are trying with mlid
Shouldn't be saying anything physically impossible any more
ashen spindle
I'm just so confused why anyone at intel would leak things to him, when so far he had wrong leaks and not technically versed
ashen spindle
ok sure, then same about whoever ends up being his source
since he was the only one in western media at least who got some of these things
astral haven
Like what
ashen spindle
XeSS name and how it works
astral haven
How long ago?
ashen spindle
uhh march I think?
astral haven
Was that part of the shotgun Intel leak?
ashen spindle
astral haven
Yea that video was a huge shotgun
ashen spindle
I mean it has rest things that we dont know yet that coudl still be accurate
I think that was also the first mention that it was N6 design and not internal? not too sure there
astral haven
Nah
Tsmc was known in early 2020
ashen spindle
err I'm pretty sure HPG wasn't really known that early
astral haven
On future node right when n7+ was released
ashen spindle
iirc HPG was announced to the stack at a later date than the other models
astral haven
512eu has existed for 2 years afaik
The only things that mlid could have gotten that weren't leaked ahead of time were "alchemist, battlemage, etc"
Those were the only thing we didn't have pre info about afaik
ashen spindle
well I didnt watch his slides so I trusted what people said about them on twitter, and supposedly alchemist and alder lake infos were accurate form him
astral haven
He had the name before this month?
ashen spindle
but in the end I dont really care because it's hard to understand why someone would get infos they absolutely dont understand the topic deeper than regular end user benchmarks
astral haven
It's just about popularity
If you make your name leaking info super early that's where leakers go
And if the leakers don't vanish after the first minor leak then they know they can trust mlid
Point is it's safe to ignore them
ashen spindle
so sleep time it is, sounds good
astral haven
I know of a few folks who troll mlid with dum info
So far only a small number of them have made it through but some is enough
wheat plume
Uncle: brings his old ass tablet down cause there is a problem
Uncle: tells me that he cant watch a livestream on the tablet because the app wont install
Me: opens the play store, finds the app, the ply store tells him it's not compatible with his device
Me: "This tablet is too old, it needs a newer version of Android"
Uncle: "What does that mean?"
Me: "The OS is called Android, you have ANDROID 4 and it is not supported anymore"
Uncle: "So you cant fix this?"
Me: "nope"
Uncle: "Why the hell are you doing computers then? You seem to know nothing, I thought you could fix everything? Why cant you fix a simple tablet?"
ANDROID
FUCKING
4
THATS PRE GEN 1 OF MATERIAL DESIGN
vagrant elk
I find it funny how almost every single person I meet that goes in for computer science becomes the tech support for their family and it's almost always issues like "I can't print my word document!" when they never hit the print button.
wheat plume
I once read a post on facebook, about a women working in an office calling tech support because the printer glitches out when she uses it
Turns out she was resting her chest ON THE BUTTONS as she was using it and it registered multiple button inputs at once
young pecan
Turns out she was resting her chest ON THE BUTTONS as she was using it and it re...
Bruh.
Level 8 problems, I tell you.
vagrant elk
That sounds about right.
wheat plume
Luckily, she didnt act strange when tech support told her the issue....
vagrant elk
I'm starting to wonder how some people got passed step one of using a computer: pressing the power button.
vagrant elk
There was one lady in a rich Texas neighbourhood that bought a new laptop multiple times per week because she didn't know that you were supposed to charge it and thought they were one-time use.
wheat plume
tbf, my computer isnt built very well
the front case fan is connected just to power
the led in the reset button is connected to disk drive activity it seems
young pecan
There was one lady in a rich Texas neighbourhood that bought a new laptop multip...
BRUH WHAT THE FUCK?!
wheat plume
There was one lady in a rich Texas neighbourhood that bought a new laptop multip...
WTF she do with the "old" ones? and the fuck ton of cables and shit?!
vagrant elk
BRUH WHAT THE FUCK?!
It's a story from someone I used to be friends with that worked at that computer store. He regularly got $100+ tips because the people didn't understand what money was.
young pecan
Same.
vagrant elk
I would want to as well but American healthcare isn't good at all.
wheat plume
^^ yep .-.
vagrant elk
I need a good healthcare system that is free because I tend to use it a lot.
wheat plume
luckily i dont get sick often, just colds and things that go away in a few days
wheat plume
yes, but being trans also doesnt help reduce how many times you use the health care system cause you need medication frequently
vagrant elk
Just never need healthcare.
I use healthcare a minimum of once per month and that is already $100/month. I don't need a more expensive bill.
I suppose that is the pharmaceuticals side but still.
Are pharmaceuticals free in some parts of Europe?
wheat plume
I fucking hate when boomers with crappy android 4 tablets tell me I dont know shit about computers because I cant install an app that is too new for that android version
halcyon moss
depends on the medicine in NL
vagrant elk
I fucking hate when boomers with crappy android 4 tablets tell me I dont know sh...
My grandparents asked me a few years ago to help them get a new mobile phone since flip phones were phased out here. I had to guide them through the marketing stuff to get them a basic phone that did everything they wanted: calling and texting.
It took so many tries for them to explain that they only wanted those two things and once the sales representative understood they were baffled.
wheat plume
oo
vagrant elk
I mostly stood there awkwardly and pointed at cheap phones that were good enough for them.
wheat plume
My mom seems to love telling me how much she hates her smartphone and how pissed off she is when I convinced her to get one and swap away from her old ass Nokia with the numpad
Yet, she is always using her phone for shop vouchers and youtube and music and browsing internet
So she clearly likes it
vagrant elk
My parents complain that phones are so expensive and how they are tight on money but continue to upgrade their phones the day they are eligible. It's kind of depressing.
wheat plume
She already getting used to scanning the phone at the checkout to apply vouchers for grocery shopping... xd
wheat plume
My parents complain that phones are so expensive and how they are tight on money...
.-.
My uncle upgrades HIS CAR EVERY YEAR
but he still daily drives an iPhone 4 and he runs a business off that thing cause he doesnt have a computer at home, only a laptop that runs Vista
vagrant elk
Exploits.
wheat plume
Im like WTF?!
vagrant elk
Exploits and malware.
vagrant elk
My parents are great at doing the opposite of what they say.
They say to get old cars because they are cheap and reliable, then buy cars from 2017 and complain about how long it takes to pay off.
wheat plume
..
My mom is terrified of the idea of buying an electric car
"The government are going to force us to buy electric cars soon"
"The government doesnt realise that no one can afford electric cars yet they will get rid of petrol ones"
vagrant elk
I am too but for different reasons than most people. I don't want a GPS, microphone array, cameras and more tracking everything I do and sending that back to a company.
I want a car like my current one: old, cheap, reliable, and does what I want but nothing else.
wheat plume
My car is fine where I live, but any hill I drive up it loses speed and i need to go down gear
it cannot gain speed on a hill
vagrant elk
Another reason I want to move to Europe is because it's so easy to get around with a metro card or a bike.
Preferably before electric cars are made mandatory so I can learn bus routes and such.
wheat plume
That not at all true for ireland, unless you want to only live in one town / city for your entire life
Public transport in ireland is buses that are always late and taxi
vagrant elk
Sweden and other countries are really good though.
vagrant elk
They don't have English, British, Scottish or Irish accents though.
Canada doesn't either.
wheat plume
There was a station in Stockholm we used each day, and one of the escalators was sooooooooo fucking long, and you could see the whole way down it was trippy
reef patrol
Yeah Stockholm's metro is nightmare fuel for those of us who are scared of heights 😄
wheat plume
yep... and being stalked by people hanging around the ATM
vagrant elk
Yeah Stockholm's metro is nightmare fuel for those of us who are scared of heigh...
Sounds perfect! Anxiety attacks and panic attacks!
vagrant elk
yep... and being stalked by people hanging around the ATM
That would terrify me because I always withdrawal a minimum of $200 from the ATM at a time.
Mostly because it's enough to last a few weeks before needing to go to one again.
wheat plume
ATMs though. Sweden is cashless 😄
NO ITS NOT!!
reef patrol
I was there for a week and never, ever had to use cash.
wheat plume
We had to use the ATM to get cash to use at restaurants cause most of them didnt take card
except mcdonalds.... and the asian restaurant
reef patrol
In STOCKHOLM?
crimson wigeon
Was this like, 20 years ago?
wheat plume
This was 2019...
reef patrol
The first thing I did when we arrived at Stockholm Airport was withdraw 100€ worth in SEK. I ended up using a bit of it on a new wallet in a marketplace.
Literally never ever used anything but card.
wheat plume
hmmmm
reef patrol
Grocery stores, museums, public transport, hotel, etc cetera 😄
wheat plume
guess we picked strange restaurants then
vagrant elk
Am I weird for using cash for every purchase?
vapid zodiac
yes
crimson wigeon
Yes you are
wheat plume
The boat ride we took also didnt accept card at the ticket booth
vapid zodiac
cash is outdated
reef patrol
Am I weird for using cash for every purchase?
You would love Berlin.
vagrant elk
Cash is convenient.
reef patrol
😄
vapid zodiac
coins are more outdated but notes are still outdated
vagrant elk
You would love Berlin.
It's Berlin that is known for chocolate right?
vapid zodiac
cash is less convenient 
wheat plume
Cash, nah its not convinient
got to deal with change and bunch of small coins in your pocket you cant get rid of cause its alkl 1 and 2 and 5 cents
reef patrol
Berlin (Germany I guess) is notorious for being cardless 😄
vapid zodiac
belgium is chocolate
vagrant elk
Wait, no, that isn't Berlin.
Belgium, that's the one.
I'm just a dumb North American don't mind me.
wheat plume
Especially during the pandemic
vapid zodiac
also, outside, ewwww
wheat plume
dirty germ ridden money in a pandemic?! hell nah
crimson wigeon
At least here 1 and 2 cent coins don't exist so that's nice but still ech just let me be tracked and pay with me phone
vapid zodiac
for "off the books" payments, use crypto
vagrant elk
dirty germ ridden money in a pandemic?! hell nah
I may be terrified of germs but I still use cash and coins. I disinfect every single one every time I get home.
wheat plume
I had the smoothest experience the last day buying my pro controller
went to the machine, typed my reservation number, tapped my phone to pay, walked to counter to wait for collection
walked away
drove home
vagrant elk
for "off the books" payments, use crypto
Monero is basically the only option in that realm at the moment. Others can be traced.
vapid zodiac
if you have to go somewhere to do it, they can still track you
pretty sure youll have a hard time tracking most of the cryptos
just dont use a shite wallet 
vagrant elk
That is terrible advice but whatever.
vapid zodiac
says the guy still using cash
vagrant elk
I think I should move to Denmark and start a company called "Troll Trace".
wheat plume
That reminds that the QT Company used to be called Troll tech....
vagrant elk
South Park joke for those that don't know the episode.
vagrant elk
*says the guy still using cash*
Girl/woman and I do it because I prefer it. With cash I can physically see how much I am spending and tend to save money. With a debit card it's like money isn't an object and I never know how much I'm spending.
vapid zodiac
that seems like a you problem rather than anything else 
vagrant elk
I'm not the only one. One of my siblings uses exclusively cash as well except for online orders.
reef patrol
Girl/woman and I do it because I prefer it. With cash I can physically see how m...
This is true - But I do have a webbanking app I can check constantly 😄
Also... no pound heavy wallet.
wheat plume
vagrant elk
The only time I open the banking website is if I have to pay rent because my landlord doesn't accept cash. Other than that I don't check.
wheat plume
I can limit the money i can use with my card using this, if I set it to €20, I cant use the card for more than that
and so on
set a monthly limit per card
vagrant elk
I can do the same but it doesn't address the issue.
vapid zodiac
are those 2 big ones keeb related?
wheat plume
also, since this is a seperate account to my bank account, I am also limited by how much money I add to this account already
so there is a budget there too, say I add like 200 each month to this, thats the only amount I can spend that month with my cards
anmd if I want to spend more than that 200, id have to go out of my way to add the extra money
vagrant elk
I guess I'm just behind the times. Cash is superior in my mind.
vapid zodiac
vagrant elk
I'm in my young 20s and I get called a boomer.
I mean I'm an elf that is 649 years old of course.
wheat plume
I really like this app, it already limits your money usage by making you only access the money you top it up with and then you can go further and assign limits per month or per card
The app also lets me use google pay for contactless :D and also making me never need to carry around my actual bank account card
so if I lose this card, its easy t freeze and terminate and they can only access the money in that cards account instead of all the money in my bank account
reef tundra
Cash is a hassle to deal with, especially for merchants
vagrant elk
I have such a deep hatred for using apps for everything and contact-less payments that it isn't even funny.
wheat plume
and also the anxiety I get by spending too long to stuff the change and recipet into my pocket and holding up the cashier and the people behind me in line....
I hate that
vapid zodiac
ye, that is pain
crimson wigeon
For me the anxiety is when I put my phone to the thing and it does the thing but then errors out uurgh
vapid zodiac
that is bad but i just use the card because i never setup google pay...
i should do that sometime
vagrant elk
My phone doesn't even have NFC.
reef tundra
litterly some wires
young pecan
I'm in my young 20s and I get called a boomer.
Boomer cash moves. 👌
Crypto for anon pay is absolutely the way to go.
Tornado Cash. 
vagrant elk
Tornado Cash. <:nut:773372020398227516>
Monero.
wheat plume
Everytime I heard that word "monero" I get "Why dont you get a job" stuck in my head
young pecan
There's a bug in the algo where you can just track very recently done transactions.
Plus Monero had some huge security exploits.
vapid zodiac
bring back hardware cryto wallet
young pecan
This is using a Trezor, m8.
Hardware wallet doesn't matter since it's a matter of the mining algo being fucked.
vagrant elk
To my knowledge the only tracking that can be done is an IP address for a transaction but none of the wallet information or transaction amount. If you have sources I would greatly appreciate it.
wheat plume
Meanwhile, both Revolut and Google Pay both send me a notification with the store name and location and the amount spent when I use contactless xd
and Revolut has even more details than gPay does
well, makes sense, its that card I use
young pecan
Twitter
From the official Twitter.
Users can avoid this a little bit, but if you need rapid transfers then it's VERY easy to trace.
A couple dudes in the CCX discord did it a couple times as a display, was fun.
vagrant elk
That doesn't impact me whatsoever. It still doesn't reveal the transaction amounts of addresses.
reef tundra
Some cryptocurrencies allow you to do launder some money 
great feature
young pecan
Doesn't impact you, true, still a nasty bug.
vagrant elk
Right, but it's a wallet bug and doesn't require a hard-fork.
fair gull
chug gold coins at people
young pecan
If you think I'm carrying around a knife and a bar of low quality silver you're nuts.
Low quality silver, that's too expensive.
Bankrupt me atm.
fair gull
na u mine it
reef tundra
Then high quality silver
fair gull
just like crypto
vagrant elk
Just paint it gold and sell it to some random person that doesn't know any better.
Or grab a piece of pavement that broke off, go to a pawn shop and claim it's a moon rock.
fair gull
we already have enough scammers and MLM
reef tundra
The baillif will cut your hands if you get caught forging money
reef tundra
Like the good old days
fair gull
always head
young pecan
Just crypto mine, ffs.
fair gull
no
young pecan
Money printer go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
vapid zodiac
fans go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
vapid zodiac
linus tested gpu performance doesnt degrade with mining as much as slated
young pecan
linus tested gpu performance doesnt degrade with mining as much as slated
On top of this we have a minimum of 7 years of hard evidence of cards just not dying.
vapid zodiac
the fan bearings may get a little worn but that would happen under regular use
reef tundra
Cryptocurrency for ponzi schemes, buying drugs and 
young pecan
Cryptocurrency for ponzi schemes, buying drugs and <:pepeno:781266542553071619>
It's a good thing you're a troll, only the utterly retarded would say something so stupid seriously.
vapid zodiac
and... other ones
young pecan
Thank fuck you're a troll.
fair gull
My guy, where'd you hear of GPUs dying in less than a year from mining?
efficiency... usually (at least from my experience) the gpu loses some efficiency and thus maybe its not able to generate profit after generating income for rent, electricity, heat, water, food and replacement components in case of requiring replacement
young pecan
Alright, then you have very little experience.
The only GPU that loses hashrate over time would be the 1080s and 1080Tis, and that's due to Epoch size, not hardware failure.
And even then it doesn't impact gaming.
reef tundra
Silicon doesnt evaporate away
shadow minnow
Strange, despite my ram being pretty stable it always crashes in one section in 3d mark on the exact same frame. Lower frequency helped, but what timing could be causing this if system was previously stable for hours straight in some games and also in OCCT till lot higher temps.
young pecan
@fair gull But really seriously, GPUs don't die to mining, not only do they typically last longer, but the card itself just... doesn't die.
First thing that dies is the fans.
And that's usually the problem regardless of application.
Poor little plastic fans. :(
fair gull
Silicon doesnt evaporate away
ik but it running hot 24/7 doesnt sound healthy either
also feel like my gpu will outlast all the mining gpus
young pecan
Well that's actually not the case. Electronics always have a typical running temp, and the temp is usually around 60c mining being healthy.
60c on a GPU is typically healthy regardless of application.
vapid zodiac
for hardware, its more taxing being turned off and on versus a constant load
so it will suffer more in a gaming rig than when mining
young pecan
My GPUs are undervolted, overclocked, and running the fans at 65% constantly to reach about 60c core.
Doing the community found MTBF, it's usually around 5 to 6 years of use per GPU.
vapid zodiac
now that ive said this, i wonder if i can get a decent card for cheap
crimson wigeon
No you can't
young pecan
now that ive said this, i wonder if i can get a decent card for cheap
You probably can.
young pecan
I mean, what card would we be talking here?
vapid zodiac
what am i doing
reef tundra
Mastercard
vapid zodiac
i musnt succumb to the urge to spend money
young pecan
Yeah...
Then again.
Spend money on a 5700 and flash it into a 5700XT and you can have about 190 day ROI time. 
vapid zodiac
also i kinda want a 3070 or similar performance but yeah... those arent gonna be up for used yet
young pecan
60MH/s for a grand AUD.
About the same as a 3070.
Whereas most 3070s are like... 1.3k. (At the cheapest)
vapid zodiac
i just want it for gaming/cad dont plan on mining on this rig
if i were, id get a seperate pc or smth
young pecan
Hmmmmmmmmm.
Good move.
Tbh, you could grab a 3080 and mine nights on it.
Enough VRAM to mine while you do other stuff and you'd make back enough cash to reach 3070 cost in like... a few months.
Good for CAD, iirc.
vapid zodiac
most of the time i sleep accidentally so planning on doing something at night doesnt work
reef tundra
Canadian dollars are shit
young pecan
most of the time i sleep accidentally so planning on doing something at night do...
shrugs Set up scheduled tasks.
Start miner at midnight every day if it's not running.
young pecan
Then just run it all the time. :P
Tbh I have a 1080Ti rn, and I can confirm that mining and playing games loses me like... 2% performance.
Currently playing Destiny 2 and mining.
vapid zodiac
yeah i tried running my current card (rx480 8gb) and mining at same time... yeah no
timid chasm
mining eth? cause mining and gaming on a 2080 destroys mining hash
vapid zodiac
was a test more than anything
young pecan
mining eth? cause mining and gaming on a 2080 destroys mining hash
Yeah, but if I'm gaming I don't care about the hashrate.
So long as the gaming performance is untouched when I want it we're all g.
Atm my hash is 25 or so, usually I hit 43MH/s on the 1080Ti.
22MH/s, actually.
But I can just leave the miner on all the time and I see nothing in adverse effects.
Auto OC profiles so when games aren't open we go full efficiency mode, when they are I have a good OC.
👌
vapid zodiac
i checked, pretty much nothing lower than what theyre selling for new 
vapid zodiac
if theyre cheaper than used ¯_(ツ)_/¯
young pecan
Pfff, that just means you aren't looking hard enough.
There's always someone selling cheap.
wheat plume
has there been cases where scalpers sell a card as new but they have already used it already?
young pecan
'Course.
wheat plume
Like they shows the box unopened and whatnot
and when you get it, its been used and opened already
young pecan
That's always a risk you run, which is why you always pick up if you can.
Though with that said even a used card probably isn't suffering.
timid chasm
or pay in paypal. they'll likely back you
young pecan
or pay in paypal. they'll likely back you
This too.
Or force them to go via ebay, most of the time people are willing to do that.
vapid zodiac
3070tis seem to be cheaper than 3070s which is... weird
young pecan
3070tis seem to be cheaper than 3070s which is... weird
3070s have higher hashrate atm.
vapid zodiac
new
young pecan
FHR 3070s are currently more valuable.
Everyone is exploiting that since it means better ROI.
vapid zodiac
dont use that logic on me 
vapid zodiac
i dont even think i have the money for it 
young pecan
What's your current card?
vapid zodiac
rx480 8gb
young pecan
Try mining Ergo or Raven.
wheat plume
rx480 = raven xcavator 480...duh!
young pecan
Try Woolypooly with CryptoDredge.
vapid zodiac
i wonder what happened to my old cpu/mobo...
could stick this card on that and just let it mine
wheat plume
I hate how much WoolyPooly sounds like the name of some new woke JS framework
vapid zodiac
and get fancy gpu for this one to actually do stuff
yeah i cant tell if youre memeing rn
vapid zodiac
everything has a website these days
young pecan
But really, people underestimate the value of mining.
Like...
Take your RX480.
Does 30MH/s Ethash.
That's 2 US dollars a day.
Per month that'd pay for your netflix subscription and a coffee or hot chocolate every day of your life.
It's the little things like that, tbh. Being able to hit up a cafe for a nice drink on your way to work, it brightens your day just a little.
And it's even better when it costs you nothing to do so.
Or a 3080, that's about 6 US dollars a day in profits after power. 2 thousand US per year, that can pay for your rego or every single subscription service you have.
In most jobs 2 3080s can give you as much as a good promotion would, and you don't actually work for it.
crimson wigeon
Well sure now I feel like mining some for the memes
Oh damn why is it so bloody complicated nowadays
Back in my day it was just Bitcoin and Dogecoin!
young pecan
I always did find that weird.
People go nuts at a promotion that'll give them 2 extra grand per year, yet they'll leave their PC idle at home, not earning money.
fair gull
Well that's actually not the case. Electronics always have a typical running tem...
so how many people actually do that from the millions of hobby miners
wheat plume
60c on a GPU is typically healthy regardless of application.
meanwhile mine reaches 80-84C :/
fair gull
so i checked 1 3080 is around 5usd daily profits in my region due to relatively high electricity costs
meaning double would be like 10
thats
not much
old marlin
fml somebody found old 68pin SCSI drives somewhere in our cellar
fair gull
i can send over some ide drives if u want
old marlin
and I can't find any adaptors to find out what exactly is on those drives
old marlin
i can send over some ide drives if u want
please no
fair gull
2.5 or 3.5inch
old marlin
I got enough dying/dead IDE and early sata drives already
they are 3.5 inch hitachi ultrastars
old marlin
fair gull
young pecan
so how many people actually do that from the millions of hobby miners
The hobby miners? Heaps of em. Overclocks means more profits and if you’re mining you wanna get as much profit as you can.
Overvolts mean more power use means less profits, so typically what they do is jump into a discord and ask for help. Or Reddit.
fair gull
so whats ur daily profit
young pecan
About 90USD daily.
fair gull
the fuck are u running
old marlin
also with gpu boost etc you might actually get better performance with an undervolt
young pecan
18 3070s, 3 1080Ti’s a 3060, and a 1080.
old marlin
at least better efficiency
young pecan
shrugs I didn’t start with this.
Personally I started with my laptop. Just begun mining, learning, and testing.
Then I got a 3 grand loan to buy 2 3070s, I used them for dedi mining to make a proven financial report.
fair gull
id rather not have 23 gpus running all day for the same profit of me just being lazy at work
young pecan
Then I did my math, checked against sources, and convinced family to invest.
40 grand or so.
old marlin
id rather not have 23 gpus running all day for the same profit of me just being ...
not to mention that you pay 2-3 times what he pays for electricity
so profits are cut
young pecan
Kinda sorta kinda.
old marlin
and different legal loopholes to avoid taxes
fair gull
ya i checked and 2 3080 are 10usd
young pecan
About the same for me.
10USD after power cut.
If I really push em to 110MH/s with Hive I can get 6USD each after tinkering.
Tbh though 3080s aren’t cost effective.
You’d be more sane to buy 4 5700s and flash em into XTs.
That does about 240MH/s and uses less power.
Also costs less per megahash.
Faster ROI. Also cooler.
Also no GDDR6X RAM. Wouldn’t have to deal with cooling it.
I should also mention you can use 6 pin to 6+2 pin to dual 6+2 pin to run a 5700 off a single 6 pin, can’t do that with 3080s.
fair gull
so whats the profit and cost of 4 of those
young pecan
4 grand AUD for 4 of them. About 20 AUD per day, ergo about 6.9 (noice) months ROI time.
@fair gull
Annual profits of 7 thousand AUD, as well.
This, of course, is assuming current market prices of 1k each, in reality they cost less when the market isn’t fucked.
fair gull
the frick is aud in real currency
young pecan
AUD minus 30% is USD.
fair gull
eur
fair gull
hm i could buy a few for 539eur each
young pecan
Something around that, yeah.
fair gull
wait no those are 6600 xt
young pecan
Probably a little less if you go second hand.
fair gull
how about gt 710 cards
young pecan
crimson wigeon
How much can you mine with a 770 kekw
young pecan
Probably some Raven, I guess? xD
crimson wigeon
Too bad am not there
young pecan
...
crimson wigeon
WhY aRe YoU nOt BuYiNg ThEm To MiNe
old marlin
for 1.4k?
tbh flipping them is prob more worth it at that price
you can still resell at 1.6
because people are stupid
ashen spindle
wait what where do you get them with just an hour waittime
ashen spindle
but nvidia is not selling their cards through the website?
ashen spindle
FE cards are at notebooksbilliger and their stock is like bi weekly and gone in 1 minute
like people wouldnt pay 700 more if you could get them with 60 minute wait time
ashen spindle
probably
old marlin
there was some website where you could queue in
young pecan
Cursed.
old marlin
and get one pretty quickly
old marlin
like people wouldnt pay 700 more if you could get them with 60 minute wait time
nobody pays 2200
old marlin
not here
ashen spindle
young pecan
People are retarded.
ashen spindle
vagrant pagoda
you can get one for 1700
3090 fes? Where I'll buy two
old marlin
young pecan
For that much it's a no brainer.
old marlin
for example
vagrant pagoda
Because I can resell then from 2000 lol
young pecan
Wth is this ebay UI...?
young pecan
This ebay UI is cursed.
young pecan
Idc, update UI, ffs.
ashen spindle
yeah, nbb gets restocks every 2ish weeks
young pecan
This isn't 2008 anymore.
ashen spindle
and if you can get through you get one but stock is gone <1 minute
young pecan
Cursed.
young pecan
Very cursed.
ashen spindle
also thats someone selling it in person, so no ebay 10% cut etc.
nah they say it includes the reciept
old marlin
So it's probably a scam
if you don't protect yourself properly it is your own fault
young pecan
Most services won't help you if you buy on gray markets.
ashen spindle
yea
old marlin
just pay with paypal
and not family and friends
and you basically can't get screwed
worst case you loose 1700€ for 2 months
and get the gratification that the other guy is loosing money by doing that
you could actually short GPUs
just sell tehm
and hope they are cheaper in 2 months
than what you offered them at
fair gull
have I been dreaming
bl features in reallife?