🔌│tech

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah the pine boards with sata support expanders.

[vagrant pagoda]

its not the whole screen

its partial updates at 60hz

[dim pelican]

i was thinking about getting different keys for the keyboard, what are some clicky ones y'all recommend (that arent the ones on the wooting store)

[vagrant elk]

Is it just a regular keyboard PCB?

[vital osprey]

other switches wouldn't work unless wooting made them... normal switches have pins, and don't have magnets. it isn't a regular keyboard pcb

[vagrant elk]

I was mainly asking if they were wanting clicky switches for a regular PCB or a wooting PCB. If it's a wooting PCB there are no other switches that work with the board to my knowledge.

I know there are some other analog keyboard projects but I don't think they are compatible with wooting boards.

[ashen spindle]

man for a moment I had thought I killed my mouse and lekker with this USB kvm

turns out they are both alive and the pc seems to just ignore any usb slot I try

great start for the week zzz

[ashen spindle]

ok neither usb nor ps/2 port works great zzz

[vagrant elk]

I was tempted to buy a KVM switch many times but I decided against it because of issues like that.

[shadow minnow]

My monitor’s usb hub kinda works like KVM switch since I can manually change between usb c and b for source, and also having it as auto so usb hub follows video

[vagrant elk]

I tried my monitor's USB hub and it was extremely hit and miss. It rarely worked properly for some reason.

[ashen spindle]

Not the kvms fault that works perfectly fine

[vagrant elk]

Just an issue on the PC side or?

[ashen spindle]

Idk yet

Seems to work fine in bios at least

So could be windows, could be the oculus drivers murdering my system again

[vagrant elk]

Maybe it's a similar issue to my USB-C dongle? Sometimes it wouldn't get power after loading the OS so I had to unplug it and plug it back in for everything to work properly.

[ashen spindle]

so whatever it was it's gone

after a windows update of all things lmao

[misty saffron]

speaking of windows updates

tarkov runs at 200 fps on windows 10 vs 60 on windows 11

bsg never fails to amaze

[ashen spindle]

like locked 60 or just around that fps?

[misty saffron]

just around that

[ashen spindle]

ouch

[misty saffron]

had to install windows 10 to use BE hwid spoofer i can't get to work on 11, then discovered the game actually runs really fucking well apparently!

[wheat plume]

Wait..... But it has a Youtube app from the eShop now
Was that a much more recent addition that i expected?!

Must have been

[vagrant elk]

Fun fact: You can activate windows without an activation key through command prompt.

[wheat plume]

o??

[vagrant elk]

https://medium.com/wireless-bidet/how-to-activate-windows-10-using-command-prompt-9c5d248f3420

Works for almost every windows version. The only thing you're doing is basically saying "Okay windows, here's my key" and "Hey windows, I'm a part of this organization".

[wheat plume]

oh

Yeah, its still KMS

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats not without an activation key...

[wheat plume]

Yep

[vagrant elk]

Allow me to rephrase: Activate for free with a command prompt loophole as long as someone hosts a key server with a valid key.

[wheat plume]

Yeah.... I aint trusting my Windows Activation on some rando hosting a server

[ashen spindle]

wait till we tell you every website you visit will know more about the pc than the kms host

[vagrant elk]

I only do because msguides has been hosting it for years.

[ashen spindle]

but yes, it's basically just windows pirating

[wheat plume]

yeah, thats not the reason

If they decide they dont wanna host the server anymore, then bye bye activation!

Also, Wireless Bidet..... What a great name for a writing group!

[vagrant elk]

I can always find a new host. It's not like they are the only ones.

[ashen spindle]

or just pirate it normally if you already dont want to pay for it, why add extra steps to it

[vagrant elk]

I tend to always do things the complicated way for no reason.

In this case it's because I burned the USB with Windows already and WoeUSB has a tendency to take a couple of hours to do so.

Didn't feel like waiting another couple of hours because I wanted an easier method of pirating.

Besides, setting a different key server is not too bad. It's just a few commands.

[wheat plume]

I just discovered Ventoy yesterday

and its FREAKING AWESOME

[vagrant elk]

I saw that but is it a distribution or what?

[wheat plume]

I no longer need to burn ISO files to a USB to try a Distro

just drag and drop as many ISO as I want and I boot into th e USB drive and Ventoy lets me pick what ISO to boot from

[vagrant elk]

Damn that's actually pretty cool.

Sounds like a massive time saver.

[wheat plume]

Canb even put Windows ISO on it

So you can have all your OS there

[halcyon moss]

oh god, now its not a new distro every week, but a new distro every hour

[wheat plume]

Why did windows remove my wallpaper when I plugged in my Ventoy USB?!

WTF

[vagrant elk]

At my peak I was distrohopping 3-4 times per day.

Good times.

[wheat plume]

o.o

[vagrant elk]

Then I realized almost all distributions are the same.

[wheat plume]

Yep

[vagrant elk]

Congrats Avanna! You have the same wallpaper as me now. A black square.

[wheat plume]

I do really love ArcoLinux, ive been using it full time on my computer and laptop for like 2 years now

I use the custom version, not their default XFCE edition

[halcyon moss]

and you come to realise it is down to support? 😉 and ease of resolving issues

[vagrant elk]

Not really. When you are a fork of a fork of a fork of a fork, you are still Ubuntu or whatever under the hood.

[wheat plume]

Yep

Except if you use manjaro, that is such a heavy fork of Arch

its own kernel and shit

and driver manager

[vagrant elk]

A lot of what exists is well documented by both Arch and Manjaro though.

[wheat plume]

yeah, indeed

[vagrant elk]

If you ever have issues the fix is always on one of the two forums.

Then there's things like Void Linux: We're different and aren't a fork but aren't unique enough to justify it because we stopped using LibreSSL a year ago.

[misty saffron]

lanaposting soon™️

[wheat plume]

That's why I love ArcoLinux, the only things it changes from regular Arch is some nice to have things that add convenience

It even has a few extra repos that add popular software from the AUR so you dont need to build them each time there is an update

Such as minecraft-launcher and multimc

THEY TAKE SO LONG TO BUILD

[vagrant elk]

I forget what the repository is called but there is one that does something similar.

You can add it to any Arch-based distribution and it automatically pre-compiles the most popular AUR packages.

[wheat plume]

There is the chaotic-aur repo, that does similar

[vagrant elk]

Yeah, chaotic. That's the one.

[wheat plume]

I love the ArcoLinux .bashrc aliases too, they have really nice ones to manage system configs, and really nice ones to use youtube-dl also

[vagrant elk]

I'll be honest, there's basically two distributions I consider "good enough" to the point that I don't bother with others. Debian and PopOS.

Debian if I don't have a lot of proprietary drivers to worry about and PopOS if I need to use an NVIDIA GPU and don't feel like installing the drivers.

[wheat plume]

Pop is very special for sure

I really loved ZorinOS back in the day

Before they switched to gnome desktop

I had compiz and all its fancy animations and effects :P it was great

[vagrant elk]

PopOS has a dock similar to MacOS now.

[wheat plume]

Indeed!

[vagrant elk]

I both love and hate it.

[wheat plume]

LOL

[vagrant elk]

It's nice but I'm so used to gnome now that it annoys me consistently.

[wheat plume]

I personally really like the MacOS desktop layout

[vagrant elk]

Also, I have a serious question since I'm in the discord anyway.

Have you ever used Gnome with a wooting keyboard?

[wheat plume]

I have gnome installed yes

[vagrant elk]

My Wooting One doesn't open Activities when I press the super key.

[wheat plume]

🤔 odd

[vagrant elk]

Tried finding fixes and couldn't find anyone else with the same issues.

[wheat plume]

Mine is working fine
Maybe you locked the super key

[vagrant elk]

It works perfectly in Cinnamon, Windows, KDE and others but not Gnome.

[wheat plume]

oh

uh, im not sure tbh

its worked for me no issues

[vagrant elk]

It's not just PopOS either. Same issue exists for me in any distribution that uses Gnome for no reason.

[wheat plume]

out of the box it just doesnt work?

[vagrant elk]

Not at all.

[wheat plume]

I have no clue ;-;

[vagrant elk]

Yeah, that's basically where I'm at.

[wheat plume]

Check Wootility settings idk... hmm

[vagrant elk]

In Gnome I wasn't even able to set keybinds to super + a key. It just didn't recognize super at all.

[wheat plume]

🤔

[vagrant elk]

Extremely weird behavior and I don't know what causes it in Gnome specifically.

[wheat plume]

I use gnome on my desktop purely cause Plasma doesnt go good with nvidia GPUs ;-;

Some of my games crash after about 40 minutes and there is screen tear

[vagrant elk]

I never had that issue in Manjaro.

Maybe it's because I have the old and reliable 1060.

[wheat plume]

I have a 1660

Manjaro's Plasma edition is solid though, except when they decide to update nvidia drivers but not the kernel also , so you boot into a black screen .-.

Which happened me

[vagrant elk]

I seem to always cause extremely weird issues in Linux.

PopOS 21.04 broke on all computers I own except my main desktop.

[wheat plume]

So does my friend... but mostly for him, its a wifi problem

and it happened on Windows too

[vagrant elk]

It would prompt me to download the update so I would, then reboot but it never did the install screen. It would just reboot into a broken GRUB menu without installing the 21.04 stuff.

Was rather annoying recovering it all and doing a fresh install.

[wheat plume]

oh hey.... I changed my C drive label and it shows that new label in Linux too :')

Thats fun

[vagrant elk]

I'd imagine it's because it's drive data.

[wheat plume]

i figured since I changed it in properties it would only be OS related

[vagrant elk]

Some things work in weird ways.

[wheat plume]

yeah....

[halcyon moss]

you can also change it in gparted or something like it

(note do not mess with file ssystems)

[vagrant elk]

I actually enjoy PopOS because they allow full disk encryption in the install. So many distributions lack that one basic feature.

Gparted is an amazing tool. Combine it with some others and it's a perfect data recovery setup.

[wheat plume]

:P

I actually enjoy PopOS because they allow full disk encryption in the install.
ElementaryOS Odin does too, cause it is now using the same installer as PopOS

[vagrant elk]

I used to do data recovery for a large photography company since they regularly had corrupted SD cards and such. Open-source software made the process extremely simple and cost nothing. Just run a script and leave it for a day or two.

[wheat plume]

ah!

[vagrant elk]

Glad to hear more are adding it! Fedora does as well.

[wheat plume]

i think the Ubuntu installer does if you choose advanced features

but idek for sure

[vagrant elk]

Imagine using a distribution that sells your data to Amazon and other companies.

[wheat plume]

ikr

[vagrant elk]

Still not sure how that's well-known and so many people still use it.

[wheat plume]

Plasma desktop has an automated data collection thing in system settings, but its not enabled by default and it tells you what it sends at each level you can choose from

I just send it all cause I trust them and its not personal data

[vagrant elk]

A lot of distributions have that but you can disable it during the install if you want and they are often clear about what is actually collected, what it's used for and how long it's stored.

[wheat plume]

oh, popularity-contest

yeah

[vagrant elk]

I still have a hatred for flatpaks and appimages though.

[crimson wigeon]

Y

[wheat plume]

I like AppImage

[vagrant elk]

To be fair, appimages are better than a flatpak.

Flatpaks include all dependencies inside of them so it's just an extremely bloated application even if you already have the dependencies installed.

I can't remember what appimages do.

[crimson wigeon]

Because the idea is that the same flatpak works on all distros

[wheat plume]

They do let you configure privacy settings though

[crimson wigeon]

To do that you have to do it Windows style and bundle all the deps

[wheat plume]

Like toggle, wifi, bt, driver access

etc

[vagrant elk]

True.

I just hate a program being more bloated than necessary.

I mean, I can barely use a Terabyte so my opinion is rather invalid I suppose but I like everything being smaller when possible.

[wheat plume]

Also, AppImage powers Wootility and that is great :D

[crimson wigeon]

How do you feel about the hot meme languages like Rust then?

[vagrant elk]

I'm mixed

On one hand I support the FSF and therefor hate the freedom issues with Rust. On the other hand it is very common for those kinds of practices to exist in some industries and proprietary software/firmware can't always be avoided.

[wheat plume]

Don't 90% of the FSF staff use MacOS?

I know they use it for all their presentations?

[vagrant elk]

They mostly use thinkpads and KGPE-D16 servers as desktops.

Not sure for conferences. Never paid attention.

[crimson wigeon]

I meant in regards to it not having any kind of ABI compatibility so every single Rust thing has all its hundreds of dependencies statically linked in..
Rust binaries are very fat indeed (and the build output even more so)

[vagrant elk]

I went down the hole of "Oh no! The AME and PSP are evil!". Then I thought about AV1 encode and decode in the future for movies and instantly stopped caring. It's not practical for my use case.

[vagrant elk]

In terms of my personal opinions on how Rust does things, Zig is just better.

Rust is a massive never-ending hole of information.

Zig is built to be as basic as possible and remove the "footguns" from C with better debugging capabilities and easier memory management.

[crimson wigeon]

I just wish it wasn't so unfinished and had good tooling

Yeah say what you want but I'm very dependant on fancy crap like LSP

[vagrant elk]

Version 1.0.0 coming within a couple of years though!

I don't hate C, I just like that Zig is simply trying to improve upon it. Might be for different application when it's done but for now it can be used for anything C can.

It does lack a lot of features though so it's going to be quite a while before it gains more popularity.

[crimson wigeon]

I'm tired of using C and yet I use it because it's simply convenient for just quickly hacking up stuff with all the C libraries available.. I suppose I could step it up with some C++ but eehh

[vagrant elk]

I can at least understand most C code. C++ is a giant mess that is extremely hard to read most of the time.

[crimson wigeon]

Oh yeah the little C++ I've done I explicitly avoid all the fancy crap and mostly just treat it as C with classes (and maybe some lambdas because that saves me from some boilerplate)

It's why I don't like Qt because it just has so much C++ magic

(on top of just being a bit scuffed)

[vagrant elk]

C++ is spaghetti code. I tried learning game development in UE4 and I gave up. The documentation for proper C++ code almost doesn't exist and the code is rather difficult to read when you want to modify the rendering engine or whatever.

[vagrant elk]

I still haven't found anything for C or C++ code that works as well as Visual Studio for massive projects like UE4. Especially open-source alternatives.

Damn @wheat plume , you must love Arcolinux a lot.

[wheat plume]

I do! :P

Its Arch but with nice handy things added in

And an installer that lets you choose what software, packages and desktops you want

[ashen spindle]

jetbrains rider is what some people use, but overall vast majority just use VS

just has the most features and all so why not

[vagrant elk]

The only thing I miss about Gentoo was being able to play with init systems and other extremely specific parts of your system for fun.

[wheat plume]

hmm

im just a filthy casual and use it like a normal desktop :')

watching videos, doing work, playing games

[vagrant elk]

Isn't rider mostly proprietary? As far as I know there is payment required but I can't remember if the code is public or not.

I did as well Avanna. I just got bored sometimes and would start tinkering to entertain myself.

[ashen spindle]

idk because open source for the sake of open source is not something I really care about, just know about it because I use their plugins for VS

[wheat plume]

The extension I used on gnome to make the panel and things work on my second screen, is not updated to gnome 40 yet ;-;

so my second screen has no panel

but it at least has its own workspaces

[vagrant elk]

It's just a personal preference when using Linux in general. If there isn't an open-source version I generally avoid using it. Maybe a heavily modified VIM would work if I was insane. Rider itself doesn't have the source code available but the plugins they make seem to be open-source.

[ashen spindle]

yeah I just use whats good and not costing me my sanity(using vim) so I just use VS since I only do C#/some cpp

[wheat plume]

I used Vim a few times but I didnt like

[ashen spindle]

I aint wasting time on not having features or needing longer for something just so it's open source when I dont even get anything from it

[vagrant elk]

I'm not the only crazy one.

https://github.com/drichardson/vim-unreal

[wheat plume]

They have a typo section :') incase you spell an alias wrong

[vagrant elk]

That's actually really nice attention to the fine details.

Arco seems like that family that treats you like their own child even though you aren't but they still feel like a part of the family.

[wheat plume]

Yeah, thats for sure, especially Erik's youtube vids, they are packed with knowledge

[ashen spindle]

if you are giving up features like the debugger from VS just to be able to use vim for unreal development, you are either working on tiny encapsulated projects or someone I never want to work with lmao

[wheat plume]

Their websites are a mess though ;-; so hard to navigate

I just found some of their config scripts you can run using aliases

[vagrant elk]

I'd rather not touch Unreal Engine again honestly. They have spaghetti code in so many places and the documentation is bad. Was just saying I prefer open-source alternatives, even if they require some setup, just to align a bit more with the Linux philosophy.

[wheat plume]

ah... faster build times....

[vagrant elk]

Just a personal choice. I don't code for a living so I only make it a nightmare for myself.

[ashen spindle]

as a hobby it's more understandable I guess

[wheat plume]

I wish I found this script sooner.... but its useful now hah

[vagrant elk]

I mostly enjoy tinkering to discover and learn aspects/information that otherwise is not documented very well.

[vagrant elk]

That used to drive me insane when I tried learning UE4. They hard coded the compiling cores to 4 if I remember right. To change it you had to change other settings in the code which as a result would break the entire project claiming syntax errors and such when you changed a number.

[wheat plume]

[vagrant elk]

It was a serious nightmare and genuine spaghetti code.

[fair gull]

maybe the code was spaghetti to begin with

due to multiple reasons this could be the case

only one of which is being italian

[vagrant elk]

Imagine code breaking for an entire project because a 4 was changed to a 14 and the engine is screaming at you that the line you modified has the wrong syntax when it clearly doesn't.

[ashen spindle]

that had to be a while back because I remember unreal using all the cores of zen1 when that came out

[vagrant elk]

It was quite a while back, yeah.

The fix was copying the line into a text file, editing the 4 to whatever you wanted, then pasted it in to the same line.

It's literally the same thing but doing that didn't cause errors while editing it directly did.

[ashen spindle]

that sounds like some whitespace character or line ending issue then since notepad just throws that out

but who knows, as you said been a while back

[vagrant elk]

I have no idea.

It was very annoying though.

[fair gull]

you all dont see the solution here

[vagrant elk]

Okay I thought you meant like a couple of small packages to make life easier. Not massive modifications to aliases across the board to make your entire life easier.

[fair gull]

just dont use an engine that exists and write your own

[wheat plume]

They even have an alias to check if your CPU is vulnerable to exploits

[vagrant elk]

Okay you're slowly making me want to try it but I hated arch because of the AUR.

[vagrant elk]

I had so many issues with the AUR it's not even funny.

[wheat plume]

yeh, there can be issues for sure

A lot of popular AUR packages have been added to the Arco repos and more or coming in too

[vagrant elk]

I'm just sad that PopOS doesn't have ungoogled-chromium and GNU IceCat in the repositories.

Oh well, I can settle for Brave I guess.

I tried compiling Ungoogled-Chromium on my laptop from the AUR and it made my laptop freeze when it was about half done every single time.

[wheat plume]

Ah, they did add Brave to their repo

[vagrant elk]

Was so bad the mouse didn't even move anymore.

[wheat plume]

xlarge... yeah, sounds about right

[vagrant elk]

Probably still less bloated than Razer Synapse.

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah don't compile Chromium yourself unless you got a supercomputer

[wheat plume]

I think Arco are also slowly fazing out Termite on their ISOs and repos, cause it is unmaintained now

[vagrant elk]

I learned that the hard way.

For all future computers I am going by the metric of 4GB of RAM per core on the CPU at absolute minimum.

[wheat plume]

You think compiling it might be slightly easier now, Considering Google block most features from it now like sync and chromecast support etc

[vagrant elk]

Ungoogled Chromium already had all of that removed. Same with Widevine DRM.

[wheat plume]

Ahhh

Right

[vagrant elk]

Anything even remotely related as a Google feature is completely removed in that fork.

[fair gull]

and yet u need like a tb of ram and 512cpu cores for smth remotely fast in terms of compile time

[halcyon moss]

firefox

[vagrant elk]

I used to compile every single update for my system for the longest time on Gentoo. Chromium is just terrible to compile for some reason.

Android is terrible as well to be fair.

[wheat plume]

ArcoLinux uses this thing they called skel to provide you with changes that they make in every update
Any changes they make to the config files in home, they store in /etc/skel so they do not overwrite changes you have made

And if you like those changes, you can apply them using the skel alias in terminal, or just ignore them if you have things setup a way you like personally.

[vagrant elk]

That is actually a good feature.

[halcyon moss]

i used to do that on my core 2 duo, open office was always fun

[vagrant elk]

Meanwhile windows: You like these settings? HAVE A MASS RESET
resets all settings to defaults after every single update

[wheat plume]

^^

[vagrant elk]

Oh you poor soul.

At least I was compiling on an overclocked 3950x.

[halcyon moss]

but i have since then given up on gentoo and funrollfruityloops

[vagrant elk]

My poor laptop just couldn't handle it unfortunately. Had to make it run PopOS and Fedora.

[wheat plume]

funrollfruityloops
dafuq dat?

[halcyon moss]

-f unrollloops

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah gotta unroll those loops for max performance!

[halcyon moss]

a common "performance" tweak by instead of looping having it all spelled out already (or something)

which in most cases is quite the opposite of a performance improvement

but hey, i was young and impressionable

[wheat plume]

Yeah! I often see messages show up in terminal as I do system updates Files have been installed in /etc/skel

[misty saffron]

i mean

[halcyon moss]

Gentoo was fun though. learned a lot

[misty saffron]

maybe it increases performance in 20 year old cpus

lmao

[vagrant elk]

I wish it were easier to modify kernels in Linux distributions like in Gentoo. I don't care if it's documented on their website but doesn't mention it at all during setup or anything, I just want a custom kernel.

[halcyon moss]

and i dont want to run gentoo ever again :p

[vagrant elk]

The main modification I did was remove Bluetooth from the kernel. I never used it so I just outright removed it.

[wheat plume]

You can choose some kernels on install with ArcoLinuxB and D

but mostly LTS, Regular or Zen

[halcyon moss]

yeah but not what goed into the kernel

[vagrant elk]

Then again, I hated compiling kernels. It was awful.

[wheat plume]

True

[halcyon moss]

not that it matters that mich

[halcyon moss]

forgetting DMA on IDE was fun

[wheat plume]

but ArcoLinuxD doesnt come with Bluetooth support unless you select to install it in the OS installr

so yeah... thats a good midpoint

[halcyon moss]

oh you're transferring some data? yeah cpu has to copy every bit, instead of streaming it directly to memory

[thick elk]

Having only 6 cores, yea, I'd rather not compile the kernel and just use something like zen on arch.
otherwise I would probably look at linux-tkg kernels

[halcyon moss]

and your computer was slow. ooh so slow and unresponsive

[wheat plume]

I am interested in Xanmod kernel

but that seems mostly optimised for Debian

[vagrant elk]

The best part about Gentoo: It's a space heater for your room during the winter because it'll be compiling so much.

[wheat plume]

LOL

[vagrant elk]

As much as I enjoyed making all of those modifications I have to admit that it's just easier to hit "Install" and let the OS do the rest.

[halcyon moss]

yup.. as you're getting older.. you use the tool to do things instead of tweaking the tool to infinity so you might be able to do it a little bit faster

or less bloated

meh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vagrant elk]

I even replaced startx at one point.

[halcyon moss]

JUST WORK DAMMIT

[vagrant elk]

Don't remember what it was called but it was like 500 lines of code less and therefor less bloated.

In reality it did the same thing and offered no benefits.

But required so much more setup.

[halcyon moss]

ahh linux...

[wheat plume]

Oohhh, This is where the scripts are

[vagrant elk]

The only thing I genuinely think is worth modifying these days is VIM or Emacs.

Only if you use plugin managers and do the bare minimum of course.

[halcyon moss]

i havent tweaked my vim in years 😒

[vagrant elk]

I only add syntax highlighting, variable and function selection, a tree of some kind to navigate my code and something to automatically compile code for me every time I save.

Maybe a theme as well if I feel special that day.

Does Arco handle the classic "Pacman PGP key signing error"?

I know that it breaks sometimes on Arch.

[halcyon moss]

i cheat and use vimidea :p (plugin for jetbrains ide)

[vagrant elk]

BuT mUH MinIMaLiSm

[halcyon moss]

but you get so much for it absolutely worth the few bucks a year in any professional setting

[wheat plume]

minimalism!

[ashen spindle]

especially if you compare licensing cost for a coder vs an artist 😛

[vagrant elk]

Fun fact: Livestreaming with a 2000 series GPU from NVIDIA or newer is higher quality than x264 at the placebo preset.

[halcyon moss]

ahah didnt even consider that. adobe is pricy

and even then.. not even that expensive i guess

[vagrant elk]

I get to go through the joy of hiring an artist for livestreaming panels and such. Going to be one large bill.

[ashen spindle]

3d tools are the costly ones

maya, 3d coat, z brush etc.

[vagrant elk]

Blender is the standard now for 3D isn't it? Or at least in most settings?

I know large companies probably still use Maya but a lot of small companies use Blender.

[ashen spindle]

popular yes, standard no

[vagrant elk]

Unfortunate.

At least options are becoming available for normal people like us rather than just corporations.

Maya costs are insane.

[wheat plume]

I was today years old when I learned that Plasma desktops text editor is called Kate because "KDE Advanced Text Editor".....

That makes much sense

[vagrant elk]

I always assumed it was because a developer had a girlfriend named Kate and she used the text editor a lot instead of a word processor like LibreOffice like a normal person so they named it after her.

[wheat plume]

That would be cuter

[ashen spindle]

expecting kernel devs have a social life

[vagrant elk]

People never expect a girl to be competitive in games but I am. Well, I try at least.

[wheat plume]

I really loved their old logo
Their new one is too plain

Old logo

New logo

[reef patrol]

New one for sure. That old one looks like a weird Pokemon OC. Also that icon would scale terribly xD

[wheat plume]

It wasn't the app icon

It was shown in the about page

[reef patrol]

Then is it truly the same? 😄

[wheat plume]

But now the new logo is shown there instead also

[wheat plume]

I don't try cause I know I suck xd

[vagrant elk]

You can only get better, not worse.

[wheat plume]

Not really for me..... Xd
I either am ok at a game or not at all or sometimes slightly better than before

[vagrant elk]

I mean, everyone tells me that a mute can never play a tactical shooter because everyone needs a microphone but I do my best to prove them wrong on that. I just have to communicate through the in-game voice lines.

Pings as well. Lots of pings.

[wheat plume]

Oo
You are mute

I don't use voice when with random server people

[vagrant elk]

Fair enough. I've seen a lot of girls/women bullied in games for talking when they didn't do anything wrong.

If you mean on a discord server I'd assume you're just shy which is always okay.

[wheat plume]

Yeah ;_; me too
My sister has been a few times from assholes in game

Cause she actually uses voice chat with randoms .... Idk why

[vagrant elk]

I really wish I remembered her name. There was a girl that always did the shotcalling in master Overwatch games. Nobody respected her at first but she made them respect her.

Dio or Deo I think? I can't remember.

[earnest jay]

I've never seen the use of all the misoginy in the gaming communities.

[wheat plume]

Oh hah! Thats awesome

Is there ever a use for misogyny?

Nope

[earnest jay]

Never a use for misoginy indeed, I myself always find it pretty awesome when a woman talks over voice, find it oddly brave considering the environments, 'cause it's either hate or thirst that they receive.

[wheat plume]

^^

[thick elk]

as far as competitive games go overwatch at least seems to be relatively friendly to girls. At least I have encountered a decent number on voice while playing.

[wheat plume]

My sis plays rs6 seige....

She'd had people fucking dm her abuse before from that game

In addition to voice call .-.

[vagrant elk]

When I used to play ranked all the time there were a lot of women that were basically harassed on voice chat. I had to tell them to block the communications from that player and it almost always resulted in the team instantly doing better.

I think more websites and games need options like Twitch has for automatic moderation on your channel. Misogyny and all of that are under different categories and you can choose how much it should be censored.

[wheat plume]

It would be a nice place if everyone could mind their own business

[vagrant elk]

I put everything at maximum moderation and it blocks even the less harmful stuff like "You suck".

[vagrant elk]

Unfortunately people don't do that.

[wheat plume]

Yep .-.

[thick elk]

That sucks, I wish it were different.

Still it seems like other compeitive games may be even worse

[wheat plume]

There are many reasons I don't want to get into the gaming space

And that is high up there

[vagrant elk]

I never hear girls or women talk in Valorant because guys always start trying to flirt for no reason.

Or just outright harass.

[wheat plume]

Fml

[vagrant elk]

Being a mute with a name that most can't pronounce right like this one? Nobody knows I'm a girl unless I say.

[wheat plume]

I had people simp for me in Minecraft :') they gave me some really great pvp items and then I left

[earnest jay]

Hahaha.

[vagrant elk]

One guy gave me a knockback 100 porkchop and I hit him so much against a wall that he got banned for flying. He deserved it because he was harassing others.

[wheat plume]

O.o

Oh wow :')

[earnest jay]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[vagrant elk]

Okay, the wording could've been better.

Context is everything there.

[wheat plume]

Did you know that would ban him?

Xd

[vagrant elk]

Not really. I was just hitting him with the porkchop and when he was stuck in a corner I kept going. After around 10 seconds he got banned for fly hacking and everyone started laughing.

[wheat plume]

:') that's brilliant

[vagrant elk]

I was planning on just keeping him in the corner for a minute or two and then leave him alone for the most part but that was better.

[earnest jay]

Best result indeed.

[wheat plume]

Yep!

[earnest jay]

I used to play on a public Pixelmon server, but then the admins started getting toxic and demoting solid mods that were good and people and replaced them with even more toxic people, so everyone that made that server a great place left, and I left along with them.

[wheat plume]

;_;

Wow

[earnest jay]

Yeah, it was a shame, as I got along pretty well with most of the people there, of whom some were mods and admins.

[wheat plume]

There was a server I used to play on, had really nice plugins and things and easter eggs to beat for neat items
it was not popular, at most I saw like 12 people online but their website very neat and it acted as the shop also where you could buy items for ingame

[earnest jay]

That sounds like a pretty cool server.

[wheat plume]

I must see if its online, idk, I just stopped playing servers cause I dont have much time these days and also I am bad at survival so I spent most of the time trying to beat thee easter eggs and chatting with people on it

[earnest jay]

Fair enough, I myself never really have the patience for survival, so i just mainly play in creative and playing that way, and building whatever inspiration I get to build.

[wheat plume]

yeah, I mostly play creative too
Cause I like making things like rollercoasters and train networks

and my gosh, fuck if im doing that in survival

[earnest jay]

Yeah, takes to long to gather.

[wheat plume]

In the rollercoaster's case, you need OP wood farm

and then a way to get lots of rails

so iron and gold and shit

[earnest jay]

No thank you.

Though, having stuff like veinmining and build wand does make survival more bareable for me.

[wheat plume]

I dont mod usually

I like to see what possible in vanilla :D

Datapacks and commands are pretty OP these days!

[earnest jay]

Fair enough, and I've never really bothered with the command blocks.

[wheat plume]

Time to turn the TV onn

[earnest jay]

Hehe.

[wheat plume]

its been 15 minutes and I havent gotten the email verification email to verify my email

fml :/

[halcyon moss]

https://www.electricitymap.org/zone/NL

[earnest jay]

Verification for what?

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16886/intel-video-cards-get-a-brand-name-arc-coming-q1-2022?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social

I was worried they would not make it in 2021

[young pecan]

Ah yes, garbage tier Australia stats.

[ashen spindle]

but luckily Q5 2021 exists

[young pecan]

[halcyon moss]

japan is nice too ❤️

[young pecan]

sad ozone destroying noises

[old marlin]

this network card has a heatsink on the port

[reef patrol]

Gotta make sure those spicy memes don't overheat the system.

[old marlin]

100GbE btw

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/spicy-too-spicy-too-hot-pedes-pedas-gif-11662193

[ashen spindle]

now to wait for some people to get bored and do die shot counting of these images and see what intel config we will get on release

[halcyon moss]

but yeah.. either have hydro or nuke.. thats the way to get low 🙂

and of course, vote with your money

new home assistant energy tab is nice

[ashen spindle]

wait I just realised we truly have an RGB war now with gpus... red(amd)green(nvidia)blue(intel)

[wheat plume]

oh....ffs :')

[young pecan]

Fuck yeah.

Someone make a 3 GPU system and call it True RGB.

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-do-it-go-on-gif-19521602

[halcyon moss]

you can already do this if you count igpu

could you run that one multi gpu vulkan game on that? 🤔

or was it dx12

[ashen spindle]

ashes of the benchmark?

[halcyon moss]

heh, i played that wannabe supcom game. not terrible, not great

[young pecan]

No flux economy = no good

[wintry cedar]

Both I believe, DX12 is its most developed renderer though

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/0vf9uuo9azhx.png

would anyone say this is a bad sub 1k eur pc for a 13yr old

[young pecan]

Looks fine.

Though I’d replace the GPU with a cheaper 980 or 980Ti.

Faster.

More VRAM.

[ashen spindle]

looks solid and something they can just add new gpus in once he's allowed to play more things

[fair gull]

can i even buy a 980 new

[ashen spindle]

well granted its not a 300W psu or something

[misty saffron]

god it's worrying how hot my monitor gets at the bottom

[young pecan]

You don’t.

[misty saffron]

about 70 degrees

[fair gull]

700

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah thats good to ship then

[young pecan]

But hey. Budget performance isn’t had new.

[fair gull]

well this is all new

from distribution networks

[young pecan]

EMBRACE RUTHLESS ECONOMY.

[fair gull]

this is pretty much the best pc i can think of for my little bro for the 1grand he has

comes out to like 960 after tax

[young pecan]

You’re not wrong.

Maybe you could squeeze out some slightly better components new, but you’d need to be hunting Amazon sales and shit.

[fair gull]

ya fuck no

this is easier

[young pecan]

Ikr.

[solar hinge]

why an AIO ?

[earnest jay]

And a pretty pricey one at that.

[reef patrol]

[crimson wigeon]

Can't allow temperatures to exceed 60C!

Yeah they should bring back the Nano design somehow

[wheat plume]

https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/bangle-js-smart-watch

Anyone know what this is like?

Why is it a square screen in a circular body? odd

[vapid zodiac]

because circular screens are not nearly as common

[wheat plume]

Then why make the case circular?!?

It looks janky

There are plenty of square shaped watches

[reef patrol]

Agreed - It looks jank.

[ashen spindle]

design choice, cost choice idk

why would it have to follow the shape of another component of it

[vagrant elk]

Pinetime looks better in my opinion.

[reef patrol]

"We're selling you this watch, using our codebase - Also it doesn't look like it fits the product"

[vagrant elk]

Compare that with the PineTime. https://www.pine64.org/pinetime/

[wheat plume]

180 mAh battery

That's real small

The bangle has double that

[empty wren]

Any watches with eink?

[vagrant elk]

I don't have a smart watch so I don't even know what's good or bad. The website and many users report it having battery for around a week which sounds good to me.

[wheat plume]

O.o
The os is only 0.5mb????

[vagrant elk]

Depends which OS. The PineTime supports 3 if I remember right.

[wheat plume]

Ooo
A dev kit
That looks fun

[vagrant elk]

It's really tiny but it has the basic features most people want like a step counter, heart rate monitor, a screen which you can literally customize to look however you want and I'm not sure what else off the top of my head.

[wheat plume]

I may get this.... This is very cool

I've wanted a smartwatch for a while but they are expensive

And this is €30!

[vagrant elk]

The development kit is for those that want one watch to tinker with and one to wear every day.

[wheat plume]

Yeh.... I like that idea a lot

[vagrant elk]

Mainly useful to have one that isn't sealed because it's so hard to seal it again after it's opened.

[wheat plume]

Yeah
It's water resistant!

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/xF_SR6aUKHg

[wheat plume]

How are they making these for so cheap?

[vagrant elk]

The video that Pleasant linked is LTT taking a look at it.

Pine64 mostly use open components as in components where you can use open-source firmware and such. A lot of times it's quite cheap for those parts.

I can't remember which SoC they use in the PineTime unfortunately.

[wheat plume]

That is the same watch as the PineTime?

[pale sigil]

Watch in ltt video isn't the same

But similar

[wheat plume]

Ah thought so

[vagrant elk]

Oh, sorry. My bad.

[pale sigil]

It's basically literally the same

Open source for ya

XD

Most of the time gives people the right to copy

[reef patrol]

I can play doom on my smartwatch - Also the NSA are listening to me fap

[vagrant elk]

Here's a review from one of the most active members in the Pine64 community.

https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=9PrhbPlnfBA

[wheat plume]

I love the product page for the PineTime

Open source this
Open source that

PROPRIETARY CHARGER

[pale sigil]

Can gurentee the primetime will be just like shitty cheap smart watches from Ali

[vagrant elk]

Invidious is just a private YouTube front-end by the way.

[wheat plume]

Primetime xd

Your British came out there

[vagrant elk]

I'm sure the charger isn't proprietary. The company releases schematics of the every single device they manufacture.

https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PineTime

[pale sigil]

Ye I'm right

It's just a poo watch

[pale sigil]

Go big or go home xD

When it comes to smart watches

[vagrant elk]

Seriously? That is the first time I have ever seen them have a proprietary charger. I'm so confused right now.

[wheat plume]

I'd like one with oled screen.
So it doesn't have to detect when I raise my arm to check to time and take like 2 seconds to realise it and light up the display

[pale sigil]

It's hard not to with watches

They are usually magnetic

[vagrant elk]

I'd say if you are considering it at all, watch reviews on it first. Through what I have seen it's not that bad. It's just a basic smart watch without the games and such.

[pale sigil]

And designed differently for every watch

[wheat plume]

I knew someone a few years ago in school who ported flappy bird onto his smartwatch

[vagrant elk]

I'll just say that the PineTime can be thought of like the PinePhone: a simple device meant for basic stuff and not much more.

[wheat plume]

The only tempting portable device running Linux out of the box imo is the JingPad

It's got proper powerful specs

Not really shitty ones like the pine phone and librem 5

[vagrant elk]

It just depends on what you do. Want to play games and browse websites with your phone? Sure, get a more powerful device. Texting and calling? PinePhone will be just fine.

[wheat plume]

And the OS is custom made for touch screen tablets form factor

[vagrant elk]

Basic isn't always bad, it's just a different audience.

[wheat plume]

Although I think it's based on Plasma

Plasma Go or something

Not mobile

[vagrant elk]

Most of the time the only thing that needs to be changed/added for mobile and tablet support is window scaling.

The only reason some programs don't work properly is because they can't scale below a certain resolution.

[wheat plume]

Yep yep...

A lot of gnome apps are pretty good at adapting to screen size now!

[astral haven]

I prefer the click that my Garmin does
Solid click with no room for mistaking it for a bad connection
And apparently it has been the same connector for a very long time but this is my first garmin

[vagrant elk]

Today I learned that the only PinePhone Linux distribution that has full-disk encryption is PostmarketOS, a fork of Alpine Linux.

[vagrant elk]

As much as I love mobile linux I hate that I get a segmentation fault on a regular basis when I try to run Anbox.

[vagrant elk]

My exact Anbox issue is already mentioned in multiple issues so I'll just patiently wait for an update that fixes it. I'm too lazy to do any debugging or troubleshooting or package downgrading right now.

[halcyon moss]

first time using linux/gnome fractional display scaling, 4k screen is looking crisp though

[wheat plume]

Wayland?

[halcyon moss]

i actually have no idea if it is wayland

[wheat plume]

Check the About page in setting!

[halcyon moss]

x11

[wheat plume]

🤔 Hmmm

[wheat plume]

Maybe I dont have those options cause I have 1920x1080

[vagrant elk]

I had to switch from wayland to X11 because wayland always froze and crashed for me.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/c71P4QbM6uU

I love the new Tweak tool

Especially their SDDM manager section, and t auto installs themes and things

[reef tundra]

x11 master users

[wheat plume]

Does Wayland like AMD GPUs?

Cause NVIDIA no work well on it

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah, works great

[wheat plume]

Alright, Im tempted to sell my 1660 and get an AMD card instead

[reef tundra]

But why

[wheat plume]

I wanna use Plasma desktop

and Plasma doesnt like nvidia GPUs much

[reef tundra]

Why some specific software

[wheat plume]

Cause I prefer it to gnome desktop :')

[reef tundra]

Gnome 🤢

[wheat plume]

I do miss the overview though on Plasma

It no have

[ashen spindle]

wait till end of next year when the new cards come out

aint getting any form of decent deal to switch before that

[wheat plume]

Yeah, im not in a rush anyway

cause I dont have time to install it now anyway

Id have to backup everything and I wanna reinstall the OSs

[old marlin]

atm prices are fucked anyways

[wheat plume]

Yeah ;-;

[halcyon moss]

gnome is fine :p

and my dislike for kde is ancient 😉

[wheat plume]

why dont you like?

[halcyon moss]

well in the past i always found it quite ugly. It looked like a (bad) windows replacement. Gnome just worked better, and when running kde you'd end up mixing in gtk apps, which then looked ridiculously out of place in kde.

[vagrant elk]

Today I learned that stores love up-selling you on something and lying to your face.

Went to a local store to buy a prepaid SIM and they said the cheapest one they had was $25/month. Get home, go on the website to manage my SIM and the cheapest option is $15/month. Oh well, I'll just change it next month.

[halcyon moss]

always check online

wait, prepaid has a monthly cost?

weird

[vagrant elk]

Is pricing more reasonable in Europe? $15/month is 120 minutes of calling, unlimited texting and no data. Another company that is government owned has the same plan but at $60/month.

[vagrant elk]

Prepaid SIMs are the ones where you go to a store and top it up. It used to be pay per text and pay per minute but now it's a set plan.

[halcyon moss]

prepaid, by definition has no monthly cost, because you pay as you go

[wheat plume]

For me, its a 28 day cost

[vagrant elk]

Either way it works out to the same cost.

[wheat plume]

I pay €20 every 28 days

[halcyon moss]

oh wow

[vagrant elk]

Prepaid SIMs before they changed it to the new model required that you top-up every month or your account would be suspended.

[vagrant elk]

If you buy a phone here from a store (terrible idea), the cheapest SIM card plan they will give you is $100/month. It's insane.

[halcyon moss]

€20 each month for unlimited calls/text and 25GB

[old marlin]

has always been the other way around for me

for mobile plans at least

[wheat plume]

O.o

[vagrant elk]

$100/month here is unlimited calling and texting and like 20GB of data.

[halcyon moss]

where do you live @vagrant elk ?

[old marlin]

wtf

I pay 10€ a month atm

[wheat plume]

€20 for 28 days, unlimited data, free calls and texts to any network on weekends, 8G roaming data in EU

[old marlin]

for 30gb of data

and unlimited calls and sms

[halcyon moss]

nice

[old marlin]

atm also no cheaper contract I can get

[vagrant elk]

Meanwhile $15/month is unlimited texting within Canada AND to the US, 120 minutes of calling and no data.

[old marlin]

without sacrificing a lot of the data cap

[vagrant elk]

With the $100/month plan they charge another $5/month for US calling.

[halcyon moss]

25GB is actually not a limit for me at all..

[old marlin]

same

I used like 15 in the month with the highest usage

[halcyon moss]

i barely get to 5

[vagrant elk]

Keep in mind the only difference between the $15/month and $60/month plan is unlimited calling vs 120 minutes and 5GB of data.

I don't even use data. I only use calling when someone calls me to tell me something and then they hang up.

[crimson wigeon]

Does texting even matter when everyone uses things like Whatsapp?

[old marlin]

not for me

[vagrant elk]

I use Signal with everyone I talk to.

[old marlin]

and I don't think I even did 120minutes of calls total

[vagrant elk]

If they don't use Signal I don't respond.

[old marlin]

since I had my current plan

[vagrant elk]

I only need a phone plan for phone verification on stupid websites that require it. Otherwise I just use Signal.

[halcyon moss]

havent send a sms in a while

never send a mms

[pale sigil]

Lol I used 12 min of my calls last month

Record for me

XD

[vagrant elk]

Calls for me are almost never above 0 because the people that call me use Signal like normal people.

[pale sigil]

I've never heard of anyone who uses signal tbh xD

[vagrant elk]

I only use it because it's free texting, calling, and video calls.

Buy the cheapest phone plan and I can guarantee I never go over.

[ashen spindle]

phone contract for monthly cost of 0$ go brrrrr for me

1gb data for free and thats more than I need

[halcyon moss]

i use it with my wife and some friends

[vagrant elk]

If anyone still uses the outdated SMS and calling then I feel bad for them.

[wheat plume]

My mom cant figure out how to use Whatsapp .... yet she has no issues with Google Messages

wot

I do hate Whatsapp though .-.

FUCKING FACEBOOK

[halcyon moss]

voice calls over are significantly higher quality than normal telephone

[vagrant elk]

People tried pushing me to use Whatsapp but when I said it doesn't run on my PinePhone while Signal does then they switched.

[wheat plume]

I dont use Whatsapp except my aunt and uncle

[crimson wigeon]

Damn I should have gotten one so I can use that excuse

[wheat plume]

LOL same

[vagrant elk]

Some people were saying they knew nothing about technology and were scared that Signal might screw up SMS for them so I introduced them to Session as a middle-ground.

[wheat plume]

screw up SMS

wot

[vagrant elk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ask my entire family.

[crimson wigeon]

Unfortunately I don't want to be a bother so I just deal with whatscrap

[vagrant elk]

I just outright tell people "Use platform X or Y or I won't talk to you" and it generally works.

Or if I feel like it I can use the excuse "My phone plan only allows me to send 100 texts per month. If you use Signal I can send an infinite amount because it's texting over WiFi."

Generally works better than the first method.

It's a lie but it works.

[wheat plume]

Yeah, it would xd

[old marlin]

I am glad my grandma is able to use whatsapp

so I will stay on that

[wheat plume]

Facebook tho .-.

and their lies about encryption

Facebook are why I dont have an Oculus Quest 2

[crimson wigeon]

Otherwise I avoid faceblorf like the plague but I'm sure they already have a very complete shadow profile of me

[wheat plume]

yeah :/

Probably

[halcyon moss]

facebook container in firefox is nice

but even then... -_-

[vagrant elk]

By the way Whatsapp does work on the PinePhone but it runs in a VM called Anbox.

People just don't know that so the excuse that it doesn't work is effective.

[wheat plume]

Im watching an american guy try to use a Wii U set to Japanese cause he got a used one from there

[vagrant elk]

That sounds oddly entertaining.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/V-EjI0vBWX8

The Wii U still has the user's data, so hes looking through it

[vagrant elk]

I installed windows once and it automatically selected my language as Korean somehow.

[wheat plume]

🤔

[vagrant elk]

It took me quite a while to figure out how to change it back.

[wheat plume]

aha xd

Windows only lets me choose USA as language

Even though that's not a language

[vagrant elk]

American's think it is.

[wheat plume]

Yes

yes they do

[vagrant elk]

You'd be surprised how many people say "Speak American!"

[timid chasm]

we would actually

because nobody says that lol

[wheat plume]

I legit heard someone post online "Why do Europeans speak American? They should speak some european language"

[vagrant elk]

I love uneducated Americans.

It's always funny.

There was one that did a debate with Destiny about immigration ruining America. He couldn't understand that if immigration was halted, other people's families wouldn't be able to start lives there like his great grandparents did.

So in essence he couldn't understand that his family was at one point immigrants.

[wheat plume]

My GPU go eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee sometimes playing games :/ or having some apps open

[vagrant elk]

Do you have a custom fan profile?

[wheat plume]

uh.... I used the automated Fan Control in UEFI to setup a profile for me

[vagrant elk]

If you ever feel like tweaking it then I recommend GreenWithEnvy.

Basically GPU overclocking and custom fan profiles for Linux.

[halcyon moss]

you shouldnt need to have to set a custom fan profile to have it operate normally, imho

[vagrant elk]

The 2000 series was especially bad for having extremely loud fans as it heated up.

Not sure about the 1600 series.

[pale sigil]

I am use whatsapp

I just use

Honestly don't care xD

Better than using Facebook directly still

[vagrant elk]

Honestly, fair enough.

[timid chasm]

what's app?

[vagrant elk]

I just have trust issues with Facebook.

[crimson wigeon]

I still haven't accepted the new controversial terms pepelaugh

[wheat plume]

I forgot the Wii Mini existed https://youtu.be/fmGCe1itQ7A

[timid chasm]

I got one of those

I was always told it was average though

[wheat plume]

Its a Wii that cant connect to wifi or use gamecube discs right?

[timid chasm]

🤷‍♂️

[pale sigil]

Afaik a majority of wiis couldn't take game discs

Game cube

Only launch ones

[wheat plume]

Yeah, there was a newer model that didnt have that

[earnest jay]

A bit late to the party, but for me and pre-paid phoning, I only have to pay €4,99 to buy the sim card and it'll come with €5,- already topped up on it, then you pay as you go. As for my actual contract, I pay €27,50(but that's after a €7,50 discount for 'complete, and a €2,50 mark-up for being able to cancel it monthly without punishment) for unlimited data in country and 25GB/m when roaming in EU.

[pale sigil]

I pay £10 for 25gb

[wheat plume]

I pay €20 for unlimted and 8GB EU roaming

[pale sigil]

30gb sorry

And j never use it

[wheat plume]

I just realised, I wont have that 8GB roaming data in England now

[earnest jay]

Nice, which G service do you get? I get 5G with speeds of like 200Mb/s download.

[wheat plume]

O.o

I get LTE+ most of the time and it barely gets 8MB/s

5G is a huge upgrade :O

[earnest jay]

It's the default with contracts since a few years ago in my country, I think.

[wheat plume]

I think 5G only exists in ireland if you are in Dublin

Yet EVERY AD FOR PHONE PLANS MENTIONS HOW 5G IS GREAT

yeah, if you spend all your life savings to afford to live in Dublin

[earnest jay]

Though, don't ask me about my home internet, you might get jealous.

[wheat plume]

...

oh boi

[earnest jay]

5G is reasonably widespread in my region of the Netherlands, and still steadily expanding.

[timid chasm]

I should get my 5G service here in about two weeks

or however long it takes for the vaccine to kick in

[wheat plume]

LOL

I have 80% 5G service!

[timid chasm]

I should get ~95%

[pale sigil]

Depends on location

My room for example

Which isn't the best area

[earnest jay]

Sounds about right for me as well, but what does your contract say on the box?

[pale sigil]

Nothing, it's not a contract

Unlimited tether

[earnest jay]

Not a bad speed for 4G.

[pale sigil]

EU roaming

Etc

30 day cancel anytime

Even a few days before

Legit just changed my plan

[earnest jay]

Cool.

Mine let's me do the same if I wished.

[earnest jay]

I still find the notion of a monthly plan incorrect for pre-paid, though you can get something similar over here, but that's an opt-in option.

[reef patrol]

Majority? No. But basically if your Wii doesn't have the gamecube ports it's the late model where they slaughtered it.-

It can still run Gamecube roms just fine though - It's just the lack of ports and the drive.

[earnest jay]

Those are very well priced plans.

Though, what does it mean with unrestricted tethering?
As I do know in normal sense tethering is like using your phone as a form of hotspot/data receiver for other online devices when you can't get access to WiFi or the device isn't cellular data enabled.

[wheat plume]

My plan technically isnt supposed to have unlimited tethering, but its prepay so they cant charge me extra for it

[pale sigil]

Usually here tethering has a data and speed cap

[earnest jay]

Wait, what? 🤔

[pale sigil]

Eg 50gb data on my mums contract you can only tether 4gb

[earnest jay]

So after 4GB it cuts off?

[pale sigil]

It's to stop people using 4g as broadband

And yes

You get a text

Saying nu

Naughty

[earnest jay]

I did not know that was a thing.

[wheat plume]

Hmmmmm

[pale sigil]

Lana is very proud of her archaic life

[wheat plume]

hm? XD

[earnest jay]

All I know is that unlimited data plans with Dutch providers is 8GB a day in reality and after that your internet gets slowed down till the next day.

[wheat plume]

How slowed down is that?

[pale sigil]

Usually just enough

[wheat plume]

like 1MB/s?

[earnest jay]

Like, like 1g or 2g speeds, basically dail-up speeds.

[wheat plume]

....

oh

Id just KMS right there

[earnest jay]

Roughly 100Kb/s.

[wheat plume]

ew

[pale sigil]

Tis a shame

I get jel of @digital cliff

[wheat plume]

TBF, Ive never been slowed down for my moble data usage

all those 330GB last month was at the full speed

[earnest jay]

I barely get to 8GB a day though as my WiFi is far faster than 5G.

Nice.

[wheat plume]

id be fucking happy with your 5G speed...

mine can barely reach 9MB/s

Sometimes can get to 12

but not hold it very long

[earnest jay]

At home I get like 155Mb/s over 2.4Ghz and roughly 425Mb/s over 5Ghz.

[wheat plume]

O.o

[ashen spindle]

if you cant even reach max lte speed changing it to 5g wont magically make it faster

[wheat plume]

Id use 5Ghz on my hotspot, but my Switch cant connect to it then 🤦🏼‍♀️

[earnest jay]

Over wire I have roughly 915Mb/s.

[wheat plume]

The Switch has such a shitty wifi card

no 5Ghz?! on a mobile console?!

[timid chasm]

fucking infuriating isn't it

[earnest jay]

Yep, I only got like 25Mb/s down.

[wheat plume]

only

.-.

Thats fast

[timid chasm]

that shit drove me nuts on release

now it doesn't matter because I never use it but still annoying

[reef patrol]

Use the Dock when downloading games then.

[wheat plume]

huh?

That no make faster

[earnest jay]

25Mb/s is slow for me seeing as I get 5× faster on 2.4Ghz.

[wheat plume]

yeh...

[reef patrol]

You get the tiny ethernet dongle which fits neatly in the dock.

[wheat plume]

Ah, if thats an option, then yes

[timid chasm]

plenty of tiny dongles out there you just gotta ask

[earnest jay]

And I'm talking about Mbits, not MBytes, just to be clear in case it was needed. 🙂

[wheat plume]

oh.........

[earnest jay]

I can't be bothered buying an internet dongle for my Switch download speeds.

[earnest jay]

Yeah, 100Mb/s is roughly 10MB/s to 12MB/s.

[wheat plume]

aha

I wish that was my latency in games....

30ms... thats to the damn ISP

[wheat plume]

then you must add latency to the server ontop of that

[pale sigil]

Quite happy with my WiFi speeds

[young pecan]

Can’t wait to move.

Gonna be moving into a place with gigabit.

100MB/s internet speed.

[earnest jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771778598767558726/871808002116690040/unknown.png

[pale sigil]

Then theres 2.4hz

[earnest jay]

My PC speeds

[pale sigil]

XD

[wheat plume]

2MS

[young pecan]

:O

[wheat plume]

WOW

[timid chasm]

if you actually get gigabit

[young pecan]

HOLY FUCK LMAO

How’d you get gigabit/gigabit?

[pale sigil]

I can't justify paying for gigabit xD

Not atm

[earnest jay]

I nearly get 1Gbit, put there's always some drop off of 10%

[timid chasm]

that's just fiber

[young pecan]

How much does it cost for you?

[ashen spindle]

gigabit is 40€ here, though not with symetric upload

[pale sigil]

£62/month

[young pecan]

Pfffff. Lucky fucks.

[timid chasm]

70 usd for symmetric here but I let my loyalty price run out

[pale sigil]

A bit more after 18 months

[timid chasm]

need to fix that

[young pecan]

It’s $160 AUD per month in Aus.

[pale sigil]

And irs not symmetrical

[young pecan]

Cry me a goddamn river. :(

[timid chasm]

650+ up and down with multiple devices on the network through MOCA

[pale sigil]

Really bad ratio

[earnest jay]

For me, with my ISP, and purely only internet, it'll cost €57,50 a month.

[timid chasm]

in less than a year I lose my gigabit and get stuck with Starlink at best 😢

[earnest jay]

And that'll give you 1Gbit/s both down and up over fiber.

[reef patrol]

I'll take matching speeds any day. 😄

[timid chasm]

oh absolutely

I'm going to hope for at least 300 Mbps up when I move back but I know I won't get it

[young pecan]

So... what’s listed under your plan?

Is it 500/500?

[earnest jay]

You're halfway there.

[reef patrol]

Me? Yes. We tend to get what we pay for 😄

Except anyone still stuck on copper.

[young pecan]

Fuck off, omg.

In Aus we can only get 1000/250.

No matching speeds.

[reef patrol]

To be fair you're in the ass end of nowhere globally. 😄

[young pecan]

._.

[timid chasm]

yeah I always heard AUS internet was the fucking worst

[young pecan]

Bruh, gotta remind me of it. ._.

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-good-boy-gif-7220650

[timid chasm]

I've heard that since IRC was still popular

[pale sigil]

Better than 950/50

XD

[young pecan]

Ikr.

[earnest jay]

I've heard that NZ internet is even shittier than AUS.

[young pecan]

What kind of joke is that?

[vagrant elk]

I have 600/25

[young pecan]

950/50...? Why even?

[reef patrol]

Your average "I never upload videos" consumer with 3 people using Netflix and torrents I guess 😄

[earnest jay]

I'm happy with my 1000/1000.

[timid chasm]

950 for 3 netflix streamers? goddamn

[young pecan]

Wanna trade? I get 100/35.

[timid chasm]

How many other devices are connected and using that 1000/1000 though

easy to get that if you're the only one pulling atm

[earnest jay]

No thanks, as I was on 100/100 before the upgrade.

[young pecan]

Bruh.

I cringe so hard, fuck.

[vagrant elk]

I use so much bandwidth when I'm awake that my roommates can't use the printer over WiFi.

[young pecan]

What?

How?

[timid chasm]

100/35 is a fucking blessing. Be happy with that honestly

[young pecan]

How are you saturating your wifi bandwidth like that?

[young pecan]

You’d think so but I keep running into problems with my mining.

[timid chasm]

Well I've lived in 56k and then lives on 2Mbps so I know it is

[young pecan]

Like an extra 2% share failure rate because of my fucking latency.

Costs me money. :(

[timid chasm]

flat latency? You running like 500 ms or something?

sounds like some shit packets somewhere

[earnest jay]

My TV, my X1X, PC, my little brother's PS4 Pro, my little brother's TV, and my dad's PC, and I myself stream from Netflix and such at 4K.

[young pecan]

Nah. Mining is a HELL of a latency specific application.

To some servers I’m forced into using I get like... 150ms ping. If I had better networking I’d get 100 or so.

[vagrant elk]

I have a tendency to livestream at high bitrates. For a little while I was streaming to 4 or 5 platforms, each at 6000 bitrate. I was using basically 100% of our upload bandwidth.

[earnest jay]

Oh, and my Switch from time to time.

[young pecan]

OH.

[timid chasm]

yeah but when all that's going on you won't get full 1000/1000 download tests

unless your PC is setup as priority

[young pecan]

I thought you were talking about your LAN bandwidth.

[vagrant elk]

Plus I had all of the livestreams being loaded on my second monitor so I could see if there was buffering or any weird issues I had to fix.

Which was using around 25% of our download bandwidth.

[young pecan]

Yeah no, not a chance that’s coming anywhere close to saturating a decent LAN bandwidth. Especially if you have MU-MIMO like most people do.

[vagrant elk]

That was before my landlord upgraded our internet a massive amount.

[earnest jay]

Well, I do have a router in between the modem and the rest of the equipment.

[young pecan]

Yes, probably.

How else does one route the packets?

But no, saturating a decent LAN is beyond the capabilities of almost everyone here.

I could possibly do it for a few seconds, maybe half a minute.

Carmonben can defo do it.

Not sure who else.

[earnest jay]

And my little brother is active on his PS4, while his GF is active on his laptop while my dad is active on his PC, so yeah, I still get around those speeds when everyone's doing what ever they do, while 5 phones are also connected to the WiFi.

[vagrant elk]

I have no idea if my roommates are just dumb or what but they claim that if I am livestreaming to even one platform then they can't print anything over WiFi. Doesn't make sense to me but that's their claims.

[young pecan]

They’re being dumb.

You streaming isn’t saturating an entire LAN if it’s decent equipment.

[ashen spindle]

first prove of them being dumb is using a wifi printer

[young pecan]

This.

[vagrant elk]

I use a cable like a good person.

[timid chasm]

hey now wifi printing is fucking wonderful

well, network printing

maybe not wifi

[young pecan]

M8, fuck off with that heresy.

[timid chasm]

fuck a cable unless it's ethernet

[young pecan]

Nobody likes dealing with stupid wifi printers not doing what they’re told.

[ashen spindle]

printers are already shit so who in their right mind wants to add wifi issues ontop

[earnest jay]

Yeah, network printing is pretty chill.

[timid chasm]

so get one that does what it's told instead of some cheap HP junk

[young pecan]

YOU TRY SETTING UP AN OFFICE. :(

HP is all most people use. :<

[vagrant elk]

My roommates' WiFi printer automatically installed a firmware update when they were sleeping and when they woke up it wouldn't print because it claimed they weren't using authentic ink cartridges. That was of course the case.

[timid chasm]

drop those people as clients obvs

[young pecan]