🔌│tech

[astral haven]

😜

[ashen spindle]

not even total internet loss, just takes forever and then everything just loads like 1% and stops zzzz

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-meal-mcdonald-mcdonalds-police-mcpolice-gif-21587549

[astral haven]

Sounds like an isp thing

[ashen spindle]

discord says no connection, windows acts like it's fine and tourbleshoot says dns isn't reachable blah

yea its isp

[astral haven]

And by that I mean par for the course

[ashen spindle]

nah, has 0 issues up till they got taken over by vodafone zzz

[reef tundra]

Blame the british

[astral haven]

Local before? Or was it a large company?

[ashen spindle]

medium sized, was like one company that had multiple regional versions

[astral haven]

You were lucky before then

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/mordecai-scam-the-regular-show-cartoon-network-cn-gif-17924451

[astral haven]

discorCL

hmm

@moderator

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-the-lion-king-comedy-humor-throw-gif-9615975

[empty wren]

Lol

[reef tundra]

If only the bot prevents duplicate messages across channels over short time span but that would be hard

[empty wren]

Not really

That could actually be a great idea

And would even stop people who repost in multiple channels

That might be a better idea than regex in fact

[crisp granite]

fuck

new scam

welp

<@&490097707487330305> <@&476752926044454928>

[empty wren]

I think Pincus gave a good solution though

[crisp granite]

sorry guys

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/hard-to-explain-explain-its-hard-hard-complicated-gif-15997253

[crisp granite]

but delete this shit

please

[empty wren]

Not that hard

I get what you meant

I will talk to Tony about it

And see if it is good idea

It would solve two issues

[reef tundra]

Not like the 3rd or 4th time I mention it. hehehe

[crisp granite]

scammers

crossposters

me like

although a limit of 3 channels would be pretty good

[empty wren]

I think 2 might be okay

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[empty wren]

Because usually one goes in the wrong one and are reguided

And rhbn they go to the right ones

[crisp granite]

actually yeah

that would instantly shut down the clowns who post in every channel expecting help immediately

[empty wren]

Yes

[reef tundra]

modcheck any ban hamers modcheck

[reef patrol]

[crisp granite]

ey

[empty wren]

Sup cool duck

[reef tundra]

KGB express

[crisp granite]

the duck man has saved us

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-its-so-beautiful-gif-15644547

[empty wren]

Also you sure you mentioned it before Pincus

Cuz it is the first I heard it

[reef tundra]

Yea, 3 or 4 times 🤷 maybe more

[empty wren]

Did you get replied to?

[crisp granite]

pinch has said it before

like a fucking broken record at this point

and the sad thing is that he has a good point...that never gets acted upon

[reef tundra]

mentioned the fact all it would have stopped 100% of the attempts i have seen

[crisp granite]

it's almost like you've formulated a strategy based on real world knowledge and experience

[reef tundra]

praxis

[crisp granite]

you know

I love that term

that idea

of constantly evolving your strategy to meet changing needs, observing and applying, etc.

of course, such a thing is somehow difficult for many

no shame in pausing and observing your solution's efficacy or taking a step or two back if it means you'll be ten ahead

[empty wren]

It was pretty good with regex

[reef tundra]

The world and the conditions we face change constantly so must our methods. 🤷

[empty wren]

Well add a few extras to your method idea then it could work well for humans

By that I mean let us say someone posts in three channels and they attempt to again, posts are deleted and if they try to post again they could click some kind of button which bots are stupid to

[crisp granite]

or, better idea, warning upon third crosspost, warning of ban and deletion of previous posts upon fourth

a bot wouldn't notice it

but a person would

[reef tundra]

Question remains if it matters to account for it

[empty wren]

I actually wonder

!info Rexum.TNB#9681

Well bot down

[crisp granite]

!contact

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/hehe-gif-4402418

[empty wren]

Nevermind

[crisp granite]

heh, thought that might have been something tony removed for refinement and republishing

oh

ffs

[empty wren]

Chances are Tony solved the failing problem

[crisp granite]

Tony may not have had a chance to get to it yet

[empty wren]

Well he told me last weekend

[crisp granite]

well then, he probably has

[reef tundra]

[empty wren]

Instead of ban petition to send to ranch on 4th time

[crisp granite]

ranch?

[empty wren]

Yes

[crisp granite]

I thought you were an indiana boy

just throw em in the corn fields

let them die of hypothermia and remain lost

[empty wren]

The corn here is tall af

So I guess that could work

[reef tundra]

So is the pile of dead bodies

[crisp granite]

shhhhhh

we can't let them know that

[empty wren]

No they call them crop circle bodies

For alien signals

[crisp granite]

just borrow someone's combine, lose some of the harvest, yes

[empty wren]

Cutting down corn is not enough

[crisp granite]

but easily get away with murder

[empty wren]

If you want to know how to, there is show for that

[crisp granite]

you americans

[reef tundra]

Dump it in the wa'a'

[empty wren]

Some stuff is dumb as hell, other stuff is interesting

[crisp granite]

afer a good shankin, wit a loisence

[reef tundra]

faster decomposition and removes evidence

[young pecan]

Just use a tarp, idiot.

[empty wren]

Just use a trader Joe's bag

[young pecan]

Nobody thinks to look under a tarp.

[empty wren]

Good for compost

[reef tundra]

Second page of google

[crisp granite]

I'm pretty sure breaking bad did something on chemical decompostion of an organic compound

[young pecan]

So have a LOT of people. NileRed included.

Lye is horrifyingly fast at breaking down a human body.

[reef tundra]

Strong sulpheric acid

[crisp granite]

well, not with human proteins

I hope

[young pecan]

Yes.

They got a scientific donation of a small piece of human flesh and bone.

Breaks down exactly the same speed.

In theory if you had a vat of lye you could just break a human down in about 15 minutes.

Lye is terrifying.

[reef tundra]

Remember alkaline are just as damaging to you as acids. They are eachothers opposite

[crisp granite]

so why the fuck were soaps made with it?

[young pecan]

Because lye in soaps is fine.

[crisp granite]

oh

the more you know

[young pecan]

We use some high grade acids in shampoo that also melt flesh from bone.

[reef tundra]

Just need them for chemical reaction to occur. So you get those detergents

[young pecan]

Just don't concentrate the acid and dip your fingers in.

[reef tundra]

Depends on the concentration. 100% has little reactivity while around 30 and 70 acids tends to have the most effect

[young pecan]

Also depends on the acid.

[reef tundra]

Needs to disssolve into water to let the h+ break off

[young pecan]

Would not want to touch 100% sulphuric acid.

Technically burning the flesh from your now skeleton is cleansing.

[reef tundra]

So does hydrochloric acid

[shadow minnow]

New cable did not help. + Bonus: just found someone having similar issue this year with completely different GPU, dGPU, and different monitor

[shadow minnow]

This pc is so cursed

Also ram OC, most voltages are just lot worse than few for both SA and IO2. 1.28 1.335 and 1.345 seem to be fine, only 1.28 working for IO, anything else is just worse

[ashen spindle]

so it's another board being gigabyte broken

not really cursed

[old marlin]

which board can you even buy

without getting giga scuffed shit

[ashen spindle]

most asus, many msi

[old marlin]

asus software is giga scuffed shit

[ashen spindle]

but it works at least

[shadow minnow]

May be, but someone had issues with asus board and dGPU
Also possibly issue with EDID, no idea

[young pecan]

My guy.

You went Gigabyte.

No shit it's fucked.

[shadow minnow]

Someone had same issues without single component from gigabyte

But ram issues may be caused by gigabyte

[young pecan]

That's really not the point.

The point is that Gigabyte is WAY more scuffed than anyone else on average.

Give me a choice between top tier Gigabyte and top tier Chinese board? Give me CHINA!

[misty saffron]

my asrock board is actually quite good...

[young pecan]

Asrock is solid these days.

[shadow minnow]

Heard the same about other brands from different people tbh. If it was not for strange issues this mobo is pretty good, also all values in bios are now normal. Even though, VAXG is limited to 1.3v which is stupid, most other boards allow it to go higher.

[misty saffron]

like i've had zero problems with it

[young pecan]

My dude, listen.

Listen.

You have it working? Good.

[reef tundra]

Unrelated case with nothing in similar.. doesnt help in any way, no common issue, no common cause

[misty saffron]

besides one problem where the stock ram voltages are too low but that's because the sticks aren't a match

[young pecan]

But y'know the thing? Almost EVERYONE has more issues on average with Gigabyte products over anything else.

[old marlin]

now which board to buy for a 5900X or 5950X

without stupidly overspending

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15850/the-amd-b550-motherboard-overview-asus-gigabyte-msi-asrock-and-others/39

[old marlin]

kinda funny how none of the features interest me

I just want like

8?

USB ports on the rear

a gen 4 m.2 slot

and that is basically it

cherry has a mouse with an analogue sidebutton now

[crisp granite]

👀

[old marlin]

giga scuffed software

friend of me got one today to test it

was surprised to find out it has an HE sidebutton

[crisp granite]

BRUH

[old marlin]

software is terrible btw

never seen a mouse software as bad

[shadow minnow]

But why side button. How do you wanna control click of that

[old marlin]

not even the minimize software works

if you tab in it

you have to use task manager to get out

[shadow minnow]

Don’t think anything is worse than g hub. Not that bad itself, but it does not work most of the time so useless

[crimson wigeon]

Scuffed software for a hardware peripheral, what a surprise!

[old marlin]

it is

it is giga scuffed

MC 9620 btw

[shadow minnow]

At least it works

[old marlin]

it does not

[shadow minnow]

Oh, then it may actually be worse

[old marlin]

oh also

the cherry key is the sidebutton

[shadow minnow]

Tbh I liked how on that one razer mouse you could change different sets of side buttons

[old marlin]

the naga trinity

and pro

ye not terrible

[crimson wigeon]

how does that web link stuff work

[old marlin]

prob uses the keybind for a browser

and opens a website

[old marlin]

B550 Aorus master still ticks the mostboxes

[ashen spindle]

ik I have the b550 aorus pro

bc I got it for 110€ on mindfactory

[old marlin]

yea I'll see what will be cheap when I have enough money for a decent dekstop

fully plan to spend like 3-4k on it

shitty GPU prices

[young pecan]

Buy GPUs and mine crypto on them.

Spending 2 grand is acceptable if you make half of your money back in a few months.

[old marlin]

not worth it here

again

power to expensive

[young pecan]

That do be the saddest thing.

[old marlin]

and you have to pay taxes on crypto

[young pecan]

Though if you have someone you can trust somewhere cheaper you could totally get them to host it.

[old marlin]

that is why you can get a 3090 for under 2k in stock at any point in time for a month now

[young pecan]

Wait what?!

2k what currency?

[old marlin]

2k€

not dollars

including taxes

[young pecan]

What were they before?

[old marlin]

USD = EUR is typicall for gpus though

[shadow minnow]

But there is a difference with taxes

[old marlin]

FE price development

is cheaper than the first offering on any retailer atm

cheapest is atm at 1950€

[shadow minnow]

€ prices already having them included, and if you are buying it for company use you can avoid them too.

[old marlin]

well

you can write them off

with computer stuff etc you get them back in a year

the mining part itself is not profitable though

[ashen spindle]

yes and since the usd to eur difference is about the same as the VAT, USD price(excl) = eur price(incl.)

[old marlin]

since crypto itself is taxed

[shadow minnow]

Depends on country. Sometimes you just don’t pay them at all, when you order from another EU country afaik. And also you can write sth with it and profit off but no idea what.

[old marlin]

and you pay ~30 cents per kwh

[old marlin]

I live in germany

current regulations here

is 1 year

for computer stuff

used to be over 3 years

[shadow minnow]

Here it’s the same way afaik, but if you order from another EU country, you already order without taxes

[old marlin]

was changed in an attempt to get companies to get more up to date

[old marlin]

well you typicall do that here as well

but the buying price is not the problem

in theory I could write off my dekstop at home as well

cab to do so though

[shadow minnow]

[old marlin]

could cost me more in the long run

[shadow minnow]

[old marlin]

if I do taxes once

I have to do them every year

and that can cost me more than I gain from writing off my dekstop

[shadow minnow]

Just order from another country and provide your vat number so you don’t have to wait one year, since B2B sales

[old marlin]

how often do I have to say that it doesn't really matter again

[shadow minnow]

1. Avoid taxes
2. get in prison
3. Profit - free food and drinks, also free house. Just with bit of limitations. Even better in Scandinavian countries with comfort.

[old marlin]

where do I get my PC in that though

[shadow minnow]

May actually get it, but would suggest Mexico and bringing some money with you for that

[reef tundra]

Ill-gotten gains will be seized and have to pay a fee over them.

[old marlin]

I could import the whole PC in smaller parts which I would have to solder myself

https://www.kyoto-u.ac.jp/en/research-news/2021-03-31

wtf

[reef patrol]

Interesting.

[old marlin]

that is where I get the PC

just keep giving the tooth fairy new teeth

[old marlin]

still won't allow me to have a full row of natural teeth

[fickle ore]

goddamn my companys IT support had put my laptop to some ultimate performance mode, min. processor state 100% LOL

[wheat plume]

👀

[reef tundra]

rekt

[crimson wigeon]

Why not? Gotta have that performance!

[halcyon moss]

lol

i really wonder why ppl even do that. it makes so little sense these days

[fickle ore]

it's stupid af, probably reduces performance

[young pecan]

“JUsT rUN iT aT 100% AlL tHe tImE, iDiOt”

[fair gull]

so i dont need to invest into toothbrushes anymore

cool

[old marlin]

it was only the means to an end at the procepoint it released

still sucks

well

with nothing else in stock

it filled the gigantic gap that was left with no stock

I mean

what else do you wanna buy?

3060?

is worse

ti is more expensive

even most 3060s are more expensive

[ashen spindle]

amd loses money by making 6600's instead of using the silicon for cpus

miners wont hoard the card because it's an insanely steep recovery cost

[astral haven]

Asic vs tbp
Miners aren't dumb enough to ignore the difference

[pale sigil]

Looks worse than what I've seen on other videos

[ashen spindle]

the end of notches is coming

[empty wren]

Looks like that at certain angles with a bright color though

[pale sigil]

I really dig it ngl

Looks barely moticsble for most things

[empty wren]

Well so long as people do not mind a hazy looking image from the camera

[pale sigil]

Id love a samsung fold 3

[empty wren]

Now that is pretty sick

[wheat plume]

Oh hek

Android 12 is great

[reef tundra]

ok google sponsored message

[wheat plume]

Hmm?

[reef tundra]

This app is awesome! PogChamp / [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅5̲̅)̲̅$̲̅] ( 5 dollars have been added to your PayPal.)

[vagrant elk]

Meanwhile I use a PinePhone since I only call or text through Signal and have the cheapest SIM card on the market.

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/have-fun-staying-poor-gif-21051482

Thats how you win at money

[vagrant elk]

I just don't need all of the weird features of new phones. I just need to call and text which Signal lets me do over WiFi so I can save even more money. Encryption of messages is just a bonus.

[reef tundra]

[wheat plume]

What distro did you settle on for the pine phone? I know some work better than others currently

[reef tundra]

arch of course. What else. Heracy?

[wheat plume]

:') Definitely TempleOS is best

[vagrant elk]

Mobian and Manjaro work rather well. I personally chose Mobian but that's mainly because I like Phosh and it has a good package manager.

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/cease-your-heresy-warhammer-heresy-astartes-gif-18053812

[wheat plume]

Ahhh

Idk much about Mobian

[vagrant elk]

KDE was extremely slow for me whereas Phosh is extremely responsive. Just my personal experience though.

[wheat plume]

Phosh is gnome shell isn't it?

[vagrant elk]

It's the custom desktop environment that Purism made for the Librem 5. It's based off of Wayland.

[wheat plume]

Oohhh

[reef tundra]

ew

[wheat plume]

Right
The $1200 Linux phone with hardware from 2012

[vagrant elk]

Fun fact: The CPU they use, while made by a different company, has the exact same specifications as the Allwinner A72 used in the PinePhone.

[wheat plume]

Yep .. they are both really slow
But the Pine phone has the excuse because it's not over 1 grand

*900

$2000 if you get it made in America instead!

[vagrant elk]

I just think of it this way: The PinePhone is a $300 phone which allows me to modify the firmware, bootloader, and operating system as I please. Other $300 phones don't even let me unlock the bootloader to change the operating system without contacting a company to unlock it.

The speed doesn't bother me though. If you play games or use applications that are relatively heavy you will have a bad time. Simply texting and calling is completely fine.

[wheat plume]

That's true

[vagrant elk]

The Librem 5 still hasn't shipped to people that backed it on Kickstarter. I have no idea how anyone is still considering the Librem 5 in the Linux community.

The Librem 5 USA is apparently shipping though.

[crisp granite]

everything made in america is pretty much identical quality wise, in my experience

but twice the price

it's a really bad selling point unless you're a patriot for a country with seriously deeply ingrained issues they aren't bothering to solve

[vagrant elk]

In the case of Purism it isn't being a patriot. It's being a patriot AND their ultra secure USA supply chain or something.

[crisp granite]

ecccs deeee

"ultra secure" my ass

not like they're making their own chips without backdoors, even for themselves

something tells me the peeps in charge of law enforcement of any kind would not take too kindly to phones they can't tap for info if need be

[vagrant elk]

Their website claims that the parts are made in those places.

[crisp granite]

doesn't mention where chips for each individual part on mainboards come from

[vagrant elk]

Probably China, let's be honest.

[crisp granite]

that's where all the fabs are

either in the People's Republic of China or the Republic of China

there's also this one in the US that can't be bothered to go below 10nm, so there's no point bothering to even think about them as a potential option

[vagrant elk]

In all honesty, companies don't have to make USA products to claim they are secure. Instead do what the PinePhone does: release the source code and schematics for everything so that if you don't trust anything you can replace the firmware yourself.

[crisp granite]

In all honesty, I wouldn't trust a product from the US any more than a product from china

at least to my eyes, they seem like two sides of the same tarnished coin

of course, the pinephone idea of open-sourcing everything seems way better

[vagrant elk]

China: Has an alliance with Asian countries to spy on citizens
USA: Has an alliance with North American and European countries to spy on citizens

They are literally the same thing.

[crisp granite]

just choose

want to be spied on by the chinese or the yanks?

pretty sure the US also has ties to Israel and a bunch of other middle eastern states, as far as intelligence goes

[vagrant elk]

The only components which are not open-sourced are the WiFi, Bluetooth, Modem and Camera firmware. All of them are in the process of being reverse engineered and have kill switches which completely terminate the circuit to them.

In other words, I can enable my Modem to get a 2FA code, then disable it at the hardware level to avoid being tracked if I physically go somewhere. Quite niche but quite amazing.

[crisp granite]

if you're paranoid about security, yep

[ashen spindle]

good news for @shadow minnow watercooled 3080s are finally less than 2x msrp of the fE

[crisp granite]

woah

that's actually still shit

but an improvement

[ashen spindle]

yup

[crisp granite]

I mean...I'd be happy paying that much in my local currency for that card

considering RTX 3080s are supposed to sell for $950 to $1100 CAD

[vagrant elk]

I used to do custom watercooling. Then it became too much work so I buy an AIO and if I feel like doing something stupid, a pre-assembled air-cooled and water-cooled GPU.

Does Kingpin have any 3000 series cards released yet?

[crisp granite]

yep

RTX 3090 Kingpin

that card is fucking expensive, even without the scalping attached

no clue as to why you'd get it, other than "money is no object" and you must have an AIO on your card, but can't find any other hybrid cards in stock

[ashen spindle]

pre selected binned cards for dice/ln2 oc is the reason

[crisp granite]

so...entirely a card for bragging rights on online leaderboards

[vagrant elk]

I would probably never buy a Kingpin card myself. I just know that his cards often have some of the best quality of any hybrid cards on the market.

[crisp granite]

best quality, fuck yes

a price I could actually consider without realising I'd hate myself for spending that much on a card I'd replace in 4 years anyway?

nope

lol

[ashen spindle]

it's cheaper than buying 5 and hope you get one bin that is good enough for top scores

[crisp granite]

if you're doing XOC, sure

otherwise...no real value

[ashen spindle]

well yeah

thats the entire selling point for those cards

[crisp granite]

but quin

dumb question

[ashen spindle]

not like they'd complain if someone else pays the premium for it

[crisp granite]

doesn't NVidia bin GPUs already?

[vagrant elk]

In the real world I have seen good improvements in performance from overclocking CPUs but very rarely seen a meaningful improvement from overclocking GPUs.

[ashen spindle]

not really

[crisp granite]

wouldn't it be best to just grab an FE for XOC?

[ashen spindle]

nvidia makes sure they meet min spec and sell those

[crisp granite]

oh

so actually just ensuring they aren't selling duds

[ashen spindle]

and they are also not binned for ln2/dice

well yeah what else would they gain from it

[vagrant elk]

NVIDIA bins the silicon in an extremely basic way: if the silicon is good enough for a 3090, that's what it's used for. If it isn't, see if it's good enough for a 3080. Rinse and repeat.

[crisp granite]

welp, that makes sense

[vagrant elk]

There is still a lot of variance in the overclocking potential of the silicon.

[crisp granite]

so, Kingpins are truly cream of the crop of whatever EVGA gets

[vagrant elk]

Essentially, yes.

[crisp granite]

well, that makes a lot of sense

still see no value in buying one for anything other than bragging rights though

[ashen spindle]

xoc isn't just about bragging, otherwise people wouldn't do it without uploading it

[crisp granite]

or I guess, super desperate to get an RTX 3090 and that's all that was in stock close to MSRP

[ashen spindle]

and well, some do ln2 oc as a hobby

[vagrant elk]

Kingpin is an extreme overclocker and that is his target audience. It isn't intended for the general consumer.

[crisp granite]

I know

[ashen spindle]

so might as well get the best instead of hating yourself for not getting the best for your hobby

[crisp granite]

the Kingpin 2080Ti even had a fun BIOS with absurd power limits with a way to activate it that involved you outright stating that you were voiding the warranty iirc

that is enthusiast, no way a standard user for literally anything else would need to touch that

[ashen spindle]

yeah it's something they provide inoffically

well, idk if it continues now that tin is not at evga anymore

[vagrant elk]

Only somewhat on topic but do I understand NVIDIA Reflex + Boost correctly? It sounds like NVIDIA boost is just a high-power profile with an extremely slight overclock. If that's the case then I may as well do a custom overclock.

[crisp granite]

the password to the downloadable archive is " ipromisenottoRMAthiscard"

[ashen spindle]

reflex is for low latency to not have any extra frames in the buffer that would eat up input latency

[vagrant elk]

Reading the documentation, I understand Reflex fairly well. Boost simply sets a high-power profile on the card and slightly overclocks which means a custom overclock is better. I had to scroll down a bit more to read that information.

[crisp granite]

[vagrant elk]

Put simply: Use NVIDIA Reflex + Boost if you are lazy or NVIDIA Reflex + custom overclock if you want maximum performance.

[ashen spindle]

oh you meant the normal nvidia gpu boost, what are they at now, 4.0?

[vagrant elk]

Wrong again. NVIDIA has terrible naming schemes.

[crisp granite]

not as bad as...Intel

[vagrant elk]

NVIDIA has GPU Boost, Reflex + Boost and I'm sure there are other things.

[ashen spindle]

wait they have two things called boost now?

[crisp granite]

I have no fucking clue as to how their mobile CPU naming works

[ashen spindle]

yeah but at least intel aint reusing the same name for two things

yeah in that case that sounds about right, I thought they just called it reflex and call it a boost and not have that as a separate thing

[vagrant elk]

No, they chose to have NVIDIA Reflex and NVIDIA Reflex + Boost.

[astral haven]

Reflex + boost forces the GPU to pstate 0 it's not anything fancy

[ashen spindle]

So it’s just p0 and not even Auto oc like Their gpu boost 3.0?

Gotta love marketing terms

[vagrant elk]

NVIDIA recommends RTX 2000+ cards to use NVIDIA Reflex + Boost and their automatic overclocking in NVIDIA Experience. Unsure how good the automatic overclocking is.

[vagrant elk]

I only use software if the performance gained is higher than having it in the background. I always give programs a shot to see if I can get any improvements.

NVIDIA software uses almost nothing in the background but the tweaks that can be done and the performance that can be gained are not to be scoffed at.

[astral haven]

GPU boost is separate
Basically reflex + boost forces the boost to the maximum regardless of how light the game is

[astral haven]

Nvidia recommends against reflex + boost since it increases heat without any meaningful performance improvement in their testing however it is available if you have issues with stutter

[vagrant elk]

I'm going to be using Reflex + Boost and a custom overclock. I don't care about power consumption while gaming but when I am done gaming I turn all of that off.

[wheat plume]

Hey Muta.....What is that last file...??

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/ZSowePnsWXI?t=626 I like that feature a lot...

[old marlin]

sems very useless to me

especially since you NEED to have it folded a bit

basically like a terrible netbook

there is a reason those died

[crimson wigeon]

Whaddya mean netbooks were the future!

[ashen spindle]

[wheat plume]

..

GG

me jealous af

[halcyon moss]

i want a fold 3, but it also quite expensive and i dont use my phone that much

[young pecan]

Kinda pog.

[halcyon moss]

and i dont want to use it that much

[young pecan]

How much was that again? Cheap I remember.

[ashen spindle]

msrp

so 700

€

[young pecan]

From where?

[misty saffron]

i'll sell my 2080 for 700 euro and you'll buy me the 3080 for msrp

how about that

[young pecan]

I'll buy one via you and pay shipping and taxes to get it into Aus if that works. :P

Even with all of that it's cheaper than the average 3070 here.

[misty saffron]

don't agree, australia doesn't exist

[ashen spindle]

I mean my friend currently isn't fully decided if he want's the card now bc he needs to cover vet costs ofr his cat

if he doesnt want it I have one for sale

[young pecan]

I'll buy it from you.

Or I can trade up if that's a thing you're interested in.

[misty saffron]

people in russia sell 2080s for exactly 700 euro LMAO

[wheat plume]

You bought it just to scalp it?

[ashen spindle]

lmao

[misty saffron]

clearly he bought it for the friend

[young pecan]

Logical to do, I won't shit on him for it.

[ashen spindle]

... you literally quoted a sentence that shows I bought it for a friend

[wheat plume]

oh

[young pecan]

Get a shot at an MSRP GPU? Obvs take it.

Mmm. Regardless I'll happily buy all the GPUs you can supply me.

Not like I can't afford to do it, especially over the long run.

[misty saffron]

and straya post will happily hold it at customs for a month

[young pecan]

Still worth.

It's nearly 1200 AUD for that 3080.

[wheat plume]

Bish, you have enough of these cards xd

[young pecan]

Everyone else here wants a minimum of 2200 for them.

[misty saffron]

i sent shit to australia last year in may or something

[young pecan]

Bare minimum I could flip for 1800, make someone happy, and get profit.

[young pecan]

Fuck no.

[misty saffron]

was held at customs for 1.5 months

[young pecan]

I need more GPUs.

Lmfao, that's an F moment.

[misty saffron]

because they are afraid of liquid covid in there i guess

[wheat plume]

liquid covid?

[misty saffron]

literally their explanation

[young pecan]

Wot.

[misty saffron]

"all incoming parcels are quarantined"

[wheat plume]

👀

[young pecan]

Ffs. I jus want to find this fucking Ergo block already.

[wheat plume]

I just got a parcel straight from Hong Kong lel

[young pecan]

The moment I find an Ergo block I can outright buy a GPU.

1100 AUD each block.

[misty saffron]

try putting glasses on

higher chances of finding something

[young pecan]

My current dealer is selling 5700XTs for a grand each.

[misty saffron]

dealer

plug

[young pecan]

Not fantastic, but with BIOS mods I can push em near 60MH/s or so.

M8, the way shit is done it feels like I'm being sold a kilo of cocaine.

[misty saffron]

that's cheap for a kilo of coke

[wheat plume]

LOL

[young pecan]

Not in the Gold Coast it isn't.

Gold Coast has heaps of cheap cocaine.

The stuff is fuckin' everywhere.

[misty saffron]

hmu

[young pecan]

Honestly, Surfers Paradise is shitbox.

There's just strippers, drugs, and super drunk people everywhere.

[misty saffron]

your people deadass called a town "surfers paradise"

fair enough

[young pecan]

It's that bad that the bathrooms have UV lights in them so you can't see your veins to shoot up.

That's norm.

[halcyon moss]

wait my 5700xt is worth that much? jesus

[young pecan]

In AUD it's worth 1.4k or something.

[halcyon moss]

ooh aud..

[young pecan]

About 900 USD.

Maybe a grand if you find an idiot.

[ashen spindle]

you can basically tade your 5700xt in for a 6800xt at current prices

[halcyon moss]

fuuck, i might need to do that O_o

[young pecan]

Assuming you can find 6800XTs.

[ashen spindle]

bc rdna1 is that much higher in the mining list due to infinity cache on rdna2 neutering mining

[shadow minnow]

Can I trade in intel UHD 750 with no infinity cache and no LHR for 3080 ti aorus waterforce wb?

[young pecan]

Just buy a normal waterblocked card, ffs.

You've already experienced how awful Gigabyte is. Why tf are you so set on buying another shitty gigabyte product?

[misty saffron]

learning is hard

[crimson wigeon]

Because they blow up so spectacularly

[misty saffron]

especially when you're an adult

[young pecan]

Idk how this is so complex, tbh.

Gigabyte has a terrible reputation, don't buy more Gigabyte?

I own like 5 Gigabyte graphics cards and all of them fucking suck.

[ashen spindle]

their monitors are great tbf, especially value wise

[young pecan]

There's a really good reason I only use them for mining without a display needed.

[young pecan]

Then you deal with their shitty awful OS.

[misty saffron]

you need a display on your gpu?

interesting

[young pecan]

If I wanted to use one for my PC.

I do not.

[ashen spindle]

just plug display port into your eye socket?...

[young pecan]

Like...

I picked the Galax ITX size card over a Gigabyte 3080 Eagle.

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, also OSD is pretty good. And the 4K 144 HDMI 2.1 has great value indeed, even compared to my current monitor. But sadly it does not have the best calibration, with srgb being too high

[young pecan]

Fuck Gigabyte and their awful firmware.

[misty saffron]

is there anything wrong with galax though?

[young pecan]

No.

But they get a bad rep.

[shadow minnow]

Tbh didn’t find any hex values in my bios. But VAXG limit at 1.3v definitely sucks.

[halcyon moss]

you "didnt find any hex values"?

[ashen spindle]

galax had the HoF cards otherwise it's a daughter of palit just like KF2A, daytona and other mostly chinese AiBs

[misty saffron]

should've looked for decimal values

octal values are pretty fun too

[shadow minnow]

Heard some people complaining about some values not being normal.

[misty saffron]

wat

[young pecan]

In some Gigabyte BIOS versions and models the options require hex values to be input to register decimal values.

[ashen spindle]

ah so someone forgot to add the converter to an input field or something along the lines

[misty saffron]

the confusion is still there

[young pecan]

Yes.

[misty saffron]

but

[young pecan]

So if you type 0.1 it won't work.

You need the hex value of 0.1 for it to work.

[misty saffron]

hahahahaha

[young pecan]

Yep.

[ashen spindle]

ngl im less sad about gigabyte having that and more impressed that it doesn't happen more with other companies

[misty saffron]

inb4 it also needs little endian values

[ashen spindle]

given how few bios devs seem to exist

[misty saffron]

i don't think i've had any problems with my asrock bios

clearly competent devs exist

[young pecan]

Never had issues with Asus, MSI, or EVGA.

[misty saffron]

even has pretty unique features

[young pecan]

Well, none so stupid as requiring hex values.

[misty saffron]

like postcodes in bottom right corner

[young pecan]

It just...

It always baffles me why people buy Gigabyte stuff.

Hardware is fine, but it doesn't actually matter how fine the hardware is because of 2 reasons.

1. The firmware is awful nonsense.

2. ASROCK GODDAMN EXISTS.

[misty saffron]

because gigabyte used to be good

like... 10 years ago

[ashen spindle]

well I for sure ain't touching asrock wtf

im not taking lowest quality option biostar aside

[shadow minnow]

One thing I definitely would not buy from gigabyte is a PSU though

[misty saffron]

lol took them long enough

[young pecan]

Nah, Asrock is good now.

[ashen spindle]

didn't say it's broken, but taichi for xoc or so aside, I don't really see a reason to get any of their stuff

and that's even ignoring how they deal with reviewers and negative feedback

[misty saffron]

i'm wondering if this is related to all the ryzen usb issues?

[young pecan]

Same is absolutely said about Gigabyte.

[ashen spindle]

not really, gigabyte has value options to get you things that otherwise cost a lot more

like what board has the usb port ammount of a b550 aorus pro

and costs below 200

[young pecan]

At the cost of having an awful BIOS that breaks heaps of features?

Aight, cool.

[wheat plume]

I'm happy with my Asus mobo :D

[ashen spindle]

you asked for a reason, it's one and you can totally say the downsides are worse

but it is one reason

and I couldnt find one for asrock

[young pecan]

Fair enough.

Asrock has the benefit of not having stupid broken BIOS and good hardware at the same time.

[wheat plume]

My friends mining computer has a bio star Mobo .....

It's so old

[misty saffron]

so

diskpart just crashed my system

????

[ashen spindle]

hah gottem

[young pecan]

IRQL Not Less or Equal.

Check OC.

[misty saffron]

do you know what irql is

🤔

[young pecan]

Specifically any Memory OC, that can cause that BSOD.

I had to go through that with a couple of people recently.

[wheat plume]

Is that an actual helpful gsod?! Woah

[young pecan]

Turns out Mem OC can cause stupid instability that results in IRQL BSOD.

[misty saffron]

nah.

shitty code easily causes that lol

[young pecan]

Yeah.

But OC tends to exacerbate the issue a LOT.

[misty saffron]

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/ask-the-performance-team/what-is-irql-and-why-is-it-important/ba-p/372666

most likely just a bug in the kernel lol

[young pecan]

Anyone got experience with decent mics?

Found a Rode NT1000 for really cheap.

[halcyon moss]

thats next week

[pale sigil]

@neat oriole got any advice on how to clean headphone earpads/cups

foam ones

not foam

[reef patrol]

foam ones, not foam?

😄

[crisp granite]

foam

yet not foam

[ashen spindle]

duck, you are the foamed one

[crisp granite]

Cal, I want a hit of whatever you're on

[young pecan]

https://youtu.be/izDtmxoGoto?t=4

[ashen spindle]

oh btw the siggraph talk from the guy who authored FSR is live now

http://advances.realtimerendering.com/s2021/index.html

as pdf or ppt

[crimson wigeon]

It'S jUsT lAnCzOs

[ashen spindle]

[astral haven]

Wow that's really dumb
In unity it's applied after the normal post fx including motion blur and dof
Wouldn't it make sense to apply it before that if you are going to the trouble of integrating it in the engine instead of drivers?

Yea it really seems like they tried very hard, and did a fantastic job of optimization
But
It is still not recovering lost information
They really should have implemented it in driver too

[ashen spindle]

uhhh you realize this is a unity talk, the guy no longer works at amd?

[astral haven]

Does that change anything I said?

[ashen spindle]

I mean you talked about how amd should've made fsr work completely different so I was just making sure

[astral haven]

No?

Fsr would work the same, it's already after the engine post fx

The whole reason to integrate in engine is to preempt post fx...

[ashen spindle]

you talked about the "trouble" of integrating it in engine vs drivers, amd merely lets you choose where it would be a best fit and the hdrp devs seemed to have surmised that it mades sense to have it run post fx if the bottlenecks are there could also be different in URP as this was purely a HDRP talk

[astral haven]

Yea but that's not true
They put it where it would be the least work on their part aka out of their hands...

If they wanted to give you choice they would implement it in driver like Nvidia does...

[ashen spindle]

so you run into weird double FSR if its in a game and the driver?

[astral haven]

I do find it annoying that Nvidia allows game devs to blacklist their post fx but that's on the devs

[astral haven]

And what if you do want that

Remember fsr doesn't ring, so in theory applying it twice shouldn't have any Ill effects

Cause it's not lanczos right :P

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah just keep doing it forever for infinite resolution

[astral haven]

Make your alg a Newtonian alg and sure why not

[neat oriole]

Headphone pads are generally not made to be washable. Check with the manu.

[halcyon moss]

dt770 pro pads are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[astral haven]

Not machine washable that's for sure

[hearty lake]

has anyone already seen a raspberry like this? got surprised by the fan actually being an rgb fan (on the package it was just a black one) 😄

[neat oriole]

I’m pretty sure you can’t chuck them in the washing machine or even wash with soap. Best way to clean velour pads imo is to use a lint roller.

[reef patrol]

I don't see how a lint roller is supposed to help get rid of sweat and earwax 😄

I'd definitely soak and handwash them carefully.

[latent mural]

goin to upgrade to 3060 and ryzen 7 3800x next summer if everything goes as planned

[neat oriole]

Not sure how you’d get ear wax on ear pads they’re not like iem tips. I would strongly advise against washing ear pads unless the manufacturer says it’s fine. You’re supposed to change ear pads every 2 or so years of regular use anyways just because of the wear on the foam.

[reef tundra]

Thats not a vaccine 🤷 why is it 5g enabled

[wheat plume]

LOL

[shadow minnow]

Got vaccine still don’t get 5G. Got scammed

[crisp granite]

same

[reef tundra]

ask your nearest karen for assistance. Maybe some oils will help

[vagrant elk]

I really badly want Zowie to release a 360hz monitor with DyAc.

[halcyon moss]

Cleaned them in Lukewarm water with detergent several times already, came out better each time.

[old marlin]

You can put them in a washing machine from my experience

[young pecan]

What the fuck?

[old marlin]

Just put them in a sock if you do

[young pecan]

Proart motherboard?

[old marlin]

Has been out for a month

[young pecan]

Looks kinda dope, ngl.

[old marlin]

Ye

the proart seems to have 2 fans already though

btw if anyone cares, basislisk v3 and huntsman v2 got leaked

no images etc just amazon descriptions

so nothing to say about the basilisk

huntsman will prob be the same board as before but 8khz

ah wait

[old marlin]

am stupid

the B550 Proart was out

[vagrant elk]

Why is it borderline impossible to get a TV or Blu-ray player that doesn't have WiFi and other useless smart features? I fail to understand the appeal of streaming applications when you can buy physical media and own it your whole life.

[reef patrol]

Because smart features means ad revenue for the manufacturer 😄

[vagrant elk]

I have found only one 4k UHD HDR Blu-ray player which uses ethernet exclusively and am starting to think that buying a 4k monitor is just going to be better all around than a TV.

[vagrant elk]

I heard some companies are making over half of their income from ad revenue and selling user data while making less and less on the hardware itself. That is terrifying.

[young pecan]

Wait that's AMD with Thunderbolt.

Did they finally splinter away from Intel?

[old marlin]

uhh

yea

quite a while ago

intel made TB free to use

before TB4 was even out

which afaik is just TB3/USB4 but with gen 4 lanes

instead of gen 3 lanes

the B550 one has too little USB ports for me though

and cba to go to dongle hell

I'd be left with one USB A at the back

with all my regular stuff plugged in

which is just not ideal

[young pecan]

Was unaware.

But now...

[old marlin]

makes this more convincing

that cluster

2 TB 4 ports, 10GE and 2.5GE

[vagrant elk]

I'm still confused. What do you use a thunderbolt port for? Is it the same as a USB-C with higher speeds or a completely different connector?

[old marlin]

it is USB-C

with pcie lanes

[young pecan]

Thunderbolt is an everything connector. USB with PCI-E.

[old marlin]

if you want to attach a fast drive you basically need that

[young pecan]

You can do nuts stuff with it like connect a GPU externally.

[old marlin]

regular USB 3.0 is limited to 5Gb

which is slower than even a sata SSD

[vagrant elk]

I already knew about the high speeds, just didn't know about the connector itself.

[old marlin]

ah

well

just a reused USB-C connector

TB2 used mini DP connectors

the apple trashcan used those

the 6 ports in the middle

obv if wired up right USB-C and TB can both transfer DP outputs

[vagrant elk]

Well it isn't the worst thing in the world. I could probably find a use for one of those connectors but I don't do anything that needs high speeds like that. If I ever do I just use SATA or M.2.

[old marlin]

they are more useful on laptops

where you can't just plug in a 10G network card

[vagrant elk]

I know it's mostly for laptops that don't have room for another drive, adding a GPU and other weird use cases though.

[old marlin]

linus uses it to put his desktop on the other part of his house

then runs one cable to wherever he wants to access his pc

and plugs his monitors and peripherals in there

[vagrant elk]

I'm more concerned about finding a SATA optical drive which lets me rip 4k UHD Blu-ray. They exist but flashing firmware is required, a giant pain and they all have issues of some kind.

[vagrant elk]

I saw that video. Very interesting use case but I don't think many people would do that. I could easily be wrong though.

[old marlin]

if I had the room I would

tbh

[vagrant elk]

I only would if I had servers. I was planning to get a couple but decided against it due to weird use cases which I was unsure if I was actually going to use.

My desktop is rather quiet otherwise.

I do wish that I had more room though. I just have a tiny studio apartment.

[reef patrol]

A NAS doesn't take up an enormous amount of space. Much less than your collection of discs for sure 😄

[old marlin]

I just use a Z800 lol

[vagrant elk]

I'm unsure what kind of hardware I'm going to need if I rip my disks and encode them with AV1. Currently it seems like an RTX 3000 series is required for hardware accelerated decoding with no hardware support hardware accelerated encoding.

I could always use another format but the space saved from AV1 would be nice for the future. I still have a really small collection so for now I guess it wouldn't matter much.

[wheat plume]

I just booted up my computer and it didnt know it had wifi ....

nothig in the settings or system tray

I unplugged my computer and held down the power button for about 15 seconds while it was unplugged
and then when i rebooted its fine now....

Anyone know WTF just happened?

[vagrant elk]

My only guess would be a weird BIOS bug where it thought WiFi was disabled in BIOS for no reason. Or if you're like me and extremely unlucky, your WiFi is dying and will stop working in a few weeks.

[wheat plume]

My wifi is built into the mobo

and I only have this since October

[vagrant elk]

Not sure what happened on my motherboard but the WiFi on the motherboard started cutting in and out. Then it stopped seeing lots of networks around me. Now it literally doesn't work.

My only guess is insane overclocking but I kind of doubt that.

[wheat plume]

my wifi only sees one ntwork

cause thats all there is around me

[vagrant elk]

It's extremely unlikely for your WiFi on the motherboard to die but that's what happened to me. I'd guess a BIOS bug or windows bug.

[shadow minnow]

No idea. For me I didn’t have wifi card recognized until I installed specific drivers but that was sth different.

[wheat plume]

Ive never had wifi not work on fresh install, except when I installed Windows 8.1 :')

[crimson wigeon]

Or the little wifi chip got into a weird broken state

Because firmware can and will be buggy

[reef patrol]

Yeah not having wifi/ethernet drivers is a well known annoyance to us technicians 😄

[vagrant elk]

If it makes you feel any better, windows is terrible for having booting bugs at times. My ethernet sometimes doesn't work on boot so I have to reboot it quick.

[wheat plume]

My wifi always works on fresh install, cause its an Intel one and those are compatible with pretty much anything

[wheat plume]

Ah....

[old marlin]

I would guess that you just had bad luck with the drivers not loading correctly

Happens sometimes

[shadow minnow]

Well not the best since I had to get a usb drive to install drivers. Since I didn’t have long enough LAN cable, why would I too

[vagrant elk]

Linux had that same bug for me but on my laptop's WiFi.

[shadow minnow]

Mi wifi was intel one too and yet it didn’t work

[old marlin]

Wtf kinda wifi card did you have for win10 to not come with fitting drivers

[wheat plume]

I didnt boot into Linux to see if it worked there before uplugging and holding the power button

[vagrant elk]

DWA-182.

[reef patrol]

The Windows installers do not contain an endlessly exhaustive amount of drivers pre-packaged 😛

[old marlin]

Obv

[shadow minnow]

It was intel wifi card, wifi 6e ax 210 afaik.

[old marlin]

But finding one that doesn't work out of the box nowadays could be a challenge in itself

[reef patrol]

If I had to guess, maybe 30% of all computers I had to reset needed me to download drivers and thumbdrive them over.

[reef patrol]

Not at all.

[old marlin]

Wtf

[reef patrol]

In fact newer is generally worse. Cause... that's how databases work 😛

[old marlin]

Maybe I just had luck

Idk

[shadow minnow]

I guess wifi 6e is too modern to be paired with windows .exe installer stuff still from 1995

[wheat plume]

This is mine

[vagrant elk]

I only use windows on one computer to play games because I always have issues with it and simply prefer Linux. Unfortunately VALORANT doesn't run on Linux.

[wheat plume]

ew.....

Installing a rootkit disguised as anticheat to play one game

no thanks

[reef patrol]

[vagrant elk]

This computer has exclusively game-related files. Nothing personal and nothing that I care about even if I lose it.

[shadow minnow]

Pretty sure the wifi card is more expensive than my wifi router

[vagrant elk]

If it had personal files or files I cared about then I'd be far more concerned. All of those are on Linux machines.

[shadow minnow]

Not that it mattered since I won’t get speeds over 50/8 here, usually even worse - lot worse

[wheat plume]

Just how it should be in Windows

[shadow minnow]

True

[wheat plume]

Sadly, I cant ;-; I had to use windows for a lot of wrk and college things

so I have quite a lot of personal and work files on there

[shadow minnow]

Remember how uninstalling one game could uninstall everything because of bug

[wheat plume]

oh yeah...

lets just wipe this entire folder!! cause that cant go wrong

[wheat plume]

it wasnt a bug, just devs being lazy

and making assumptions that game related files are the only thing in the folder

[shadow minnow]

I will just keep anything important on phone if possible and if not on backup drive, even though, my notes were gone. And if I had M1 MacBook Air which I may need, would really just use windows pc for gaming or unreal engine stuff.

[vagrant elk]

Yeah, I have completely avoided that issue because University told me to use applications which didn't run under Linux and I refused to use the test applications which were essentially rootkits. Refused to use Windows at work as well and got fired. People don't like you using Linux for some reason.

[wheat plume]

wait, you got fired for not using Linux?!

Interesting

[vagrant elk]

Windows*

My brain doesn't work half the time.

[wheat plume]

Ahhhhh.... wot tf

i gtg ;-;

[vagrant elk]

I'm always thinking 3-5 words ahead of what I'm typing so some of my messages become gibberish.

[reef patrol]

"rootkit" stuff for exam stuff is sadly pretty common.

[vagrant elk]

Bye Avanna! Nice talking to you.

[shadow minnow]

Imagine the world where apple would not have approached Microsoft because of office apps… and Microsoft would fail, or be a lot smaller company, and we would have completely different OS as most popular one

[vagrant elk]

Imagine if Linux was mainstream.

[reef patrol]

That is an oxymoron.

[wheat plume]

Thats what I do when speaking..... :/

but not typing

[reef patrol]

You will never see an approach like Linux be "mainstream". The masses need something simple and dumb 😄

[wheat plume]

Linux is simple and dumb

once installed

[reef patrol]

[vagrant elk]

Linux is simple if you use something like Linux Mint.

[wheat plume]

and PopOS has a really easy installer, so that is also simple and dumb now too

[vagrant elk]

Just stay away from Manjaro, Arch, etc. if you're unable to do your own troubleshooting.

[reef patrol]

The instant something breaks, you need to grab a technician. That isn't mass friendly.

Oh terminal? No no.

[shadow minnow]

I mean, it could be one Linux distro becoming mainstream, but don’t think whole Linux or sth like that would become popular.

[wheat plume]

TBF, the amount of times ive come across people who dont know what Windows is.... despite the fact they have a computer that uses Windows
IS TOO HIGH

[vagrant elk]

PopOS was running perfect for me until 21.04. 21.04 completely broke my laptop to the point that I had to do a manual recovery. Unsure what happened but it was extremely annoying.

[wheat plume]

Arch is mostly alright once installed, have a script to update like once a week in the background and prompt the user to reboot if there is a kernel update and you are good to go

[shadow minnow]

macOS would most likely be more popular too, since less competition at least for some time.
Also old good times when there were some non apple computers that could run macOS.

[vagrant elk]

I understand that but I was mostly referring to the installation process and package management. Normies need something like Fedora, PopOS or Linux Mint.

[wheat plume]

I fail to see how people would find this app hard to use

This does all package management for you, even flatpak and snaps if you want

[ashen spindle]

Linux is simple
Have a script{...}
already proven wrong with your own words 😛

[wheat plume]

Yeah, make the script for the end user, when you install it for them

Cause chances are, they would ask you to install Windows also

[ashen spindle]

so... a script that comes with the distro.. like a windows update service?

[wheat plume]

i was thinking more if you are installing it for someone you know

[ashen spindle]

yeah that is not the majority lol

[wheat plume]

People write batch scripts for WIndows often

idk why you raising that point

[ashen spindle]

yeah.. the 1% of users that know what that even is maybe

if we talk about linux being mainstream you need to account for who that audience is lol

[wheat plume]

Also, the "script" would be one command, the one used to update

so its not complicated

or better, make an alias in bash called update and tell the person to type that in every week

Or just use the GUI updater

the one i sent screenshot of

That is easy AF to use

[ashen spindle]

lana the average computer user probably is on the level of your mother's knowledge on understanding tech

and you say those people should use scripts of any sort

[wheat plume]

yeah, the people that dont know the OS they use is called Windows

[ashen spindle]

and you think those people would be comfortable to make a script?

doesnt matter if 1 or 100 lines

[wheat plume]

not make, I told you that already

[ashen spindle]

we are still talking about mainstream, that means not someone else tech supporting for you

[wheat plume]

Setup to run weekly and they wont need to do anything

And yeah.... ok but Linux isnt going to be mainstream on desktop :')

Unless its preinstalled on every computer anyway

[ashen spindle]

that was the whole point of this argument why it would never be..

[wheat plume]

If it was preinstalled like MacOS and Windows it might gain usage

Look at ChromeOS

that;s taken off very well for Google

[reef patrol]

Not only would it need to be preinstalled - A distro that is idiotproof and Apple'ed to hell would be necessary.

The reason for why Android works so well is that... you're locked out of anything important 😄

[ashen spindle]

it starts with how linux is not dumb enough for mainstream and you try to start telling us Arch is alright for that what did you expect

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

Arch is a lot easier than Ubuntu for installing things, cause on Ubuntu, you need to wyrr about snaps and flatpak and things

and on Arch,. everything is on the repos or AUR and the one app accesses both in one click

if sftware isnt in the Ubuntu repo, you need to use commands to add a PPA

or hunt down a deb package online and install it with a command

[vagrant elk]

I think the argument is easy to use out of the box versus easy to use after some configuration at the moment.

Arch is easy after some configuration but if Linux were to go mainstream you'd need something that is easy to use out of the box without changing or modifying anything.

[wheat plume]

lets give everyone ElementaryOS!

cant do shit out of thje box to mess it up

its pretty locked down
Even warns you about security risks when installing Firefox!

[vagrant elk]

As long as it works out of the box and they have a pretty UI to install applications from I don't think it would matter what distribution is chosen.

[wheat plume]

pretty Ui to install
I laugh, Windows app installers are the opposite of pretty xd

[vagrant elk]

pretty UI to install applications

[wheat plume]

yeh

the windows installer itself isnt bad, I just wished it shows drive name in the drive list

[vagrant elk]

Simply referring to an app store they can click around in rather than using a terminal. Doesn't have to be fancy as long as the user understands it.

[wheat plume]

oh, the windows store

[vagrant elk]

Exactly.

Although I have to admit I have never figured out how to use it. I always get lost in submenus.

[wheat plume]

I like the new Store UI in Windows 11

its a lot nicer than current one

[vagrant elk]

I debloat windows to such an extreme that even Edge is uninstalled. Windows Store doesn't survive that process.

I tried the store in the past but it's a terrible experience.

[wheat plume]

easy to use
needs to debloat it to make it tolerable

anyway... gtg for real now :/

[vagrant elk]

Ciao!

[shadow minnow]

Windows store kinda reminds me of install websites for Minecraft mods or stuff full of malware. Just instead of malware pop ups you get pop ups to log into Microsoft account. But they are possible to ignore. Had to install iTunes from there.

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/hiding-on-the-tree-ryan-higa-higatv-spying-afraid-gif-21896565

https://twitter.com/KOMACHI_ENSAKA/status/1426503707592511488

遠坂小町@Komachi (@KOMACHI_ENSAKA)

VANGOGH_LITE.
REMBRANDT.
NAVI31.
NAVI33.
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Twitter · Aug 14, 2021, 11:19 AM

[wheat plume]

I should maybe see if there are mirrors closer to me...

[empty wren]

Really like this new assistant card

[vagrant elk]

The Jensen at GTC that announced/revealed the NVIDIA 3000 series was completely CGI. That was not the real Jensen.

What the actual hell.

The entire scene and Jensen was CGI.

[young pecan]

Chad move.

[vagrant elk]

I'm just questioning everything I know right now because that is absolutely insane. Not a single person even questioned if it was the real Jensen.

[old marlin]

People don't question stuff like that in movies

Full body replacements are not uncommon

[vagrant elk]

You are far more observant than me my friend.

[shadow minnow]

11900k can get pretty cold. With turbo disabled and light load, even though GPU was over locked, It was sitting at 27c. Which is colder than place I am at rn.

[misty saffron]

ok boys and girls

how to ship pc

[crimson wigeon]

Put in box and send it

Or hell just put the shipping label on the case

[misty saffron]

very good advice, i learned a lot

[ashen spindle]

remove gpu and pack that separate

or fill it all up with these air filled bags to make sure shaking wont bend the pcie slot etc.

[reef patrol]

I think people need to calm down. It's not like CGI hasn't been done before on this level.

It's not really technically impressive as such - It is just not expected in this situation.

[young pecan]

You want that packing material that fills the entire case, make sure the GPU is heavily packed and supported, once that's done make sure you bubble wrap it to protect any glass, then surround it with polystyrene packing then into a box then put fragile stickers on the outside.

[crisp granite]

most OEMs use this super cool foam stuff that expands within the case, going around the GPU

[young pecan]

^ Exactly this.

[crisp granite]

if you could get your hands on a sheet of that, use it

[young pecan]

Honestly, if you can get a bunch of that you should keep it around.

[wheat plume]

:O

VENTOY IS AMAZING

You just drag and drop iso onto it and it let's you boot from them

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah time to have a dedicated partition for it so you can distrohop with minimal effort

[wheat plume]

Is on USB

It just boots the ISO files

Into the live session

[reef patrol]

Yeah tools like that and easy2boot are great.

[shadow minnow]

Afaik there is some self expanding air bag that could be really useful

[reef tundra]

[vagrant elk]

I'm just amazed at how well done it was. I was not expecting that at all. I know it has been done before but it catches me off guard every single time.

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.pine64.org/2021/08/15/introducing-the-pinenote/

[vagrant elk]

I love Pine64. They are such a good company.

[vagrant pagoda]

I have a pinebook and a cluster

I wanted a pro but it's not much of an upgrade

The pinenote with a keyboard would be amazing

[vital osprey]

very excited for that pinenote. i have been looking at these enote devices for over a year thinking none of them are quite what I want

If I can install xournal++ on it its a must buy

[vagrant elk]

The PinePro64 SBC is really good, even compared to a Raspberry Pi. It's actually suited for being a small NAS.

[chrome estuary]

ngl i kinda want one.