almost
#🔌│tech
pale sigil
reef tundra
dd some room 
magic free storage
wheat plume
I need a longer SATA cable to install my 2TB SSD
wheat plume
o xd
crimson wigeon
Pepeg but it's just lanczos it says so right in the code pepega
ashen spindle
... this isn't about unity at all
this just happens to be a talk from unity about it
ashen spindle
we use unity
pale sigil
ah so studio
ashen spindle
but this was about people saying FSR is just some upscaling and amd didn't really invent anything or similar
astral haven
I mean
It is "just upscaling"
reef tundra
Computers are just fancy calculators
ashen spindle
yeah but we had article from "websites" that basically called amd liars and that they should call it not self developed etc.
crimson wigeon
Yeah if it's not 100% original what's the point pepeg
reef tundra
Imagine having to invent mathmatics
astral haven
I am sad that they aren't doing any inferral but there's no point in crucifying amd for it
They can't afford to train a better than "bleeding edge academic" image upscaler...
crimson wigeon
I'm interested in seeing if say FSR 2.0 is gonna be wildly different and use ML AI magic or such
astral haven
Hopefully will plug into Microsoft's neural upscaler
crimson wigeon
Or even just blend in previous frames so we can have moar ghosting artifacts
reef tundra
Spooky
astral haven
Cause I'm significantly more confident in Microsoft building a good nn than amd
Give this
But realtime
old marlin
Lol
astral haven
It would be even better if it could forwards project
old marlin
Vr headsets already do shit interpolation 
reef tundra
If you have to money to let some data center or quantum computer work on it
astral haven
Vr headsets already do shit interpolation <:dafoe:800826073868533761>
If you think it's "shit" you haven't tried it
And that's a classical alg
old marlin
In realtime ai will only manage to do interpolation
Well
It is alright for what it is
Works well for the purpose
crimson wigeon
So just take the latency hit then
reef tundra
Cant really go into the future i guess
crimson wigeon
Bet gamers will love that
old marlin
But if you try to do more than double fps it is shit
astral haven
In realtime ai will only manage to do interpolation
Saying a nn has a limitation like that is just misinformed
old marlin
Oh nn does not
astral haven
But if you try to do more than double fps it is shit
With classical techniques
old marlin
Interpolation has
astral haven
In realtime ai will only manage to do interpolation
???
old marlin
But at that point you might as well just change detail zones etc
astral haven
And gpus
astral haven
No
old marlin
In actual usecases
astral haven
On consumer silicon
shadow minnow
my server is only 20gb
My Minecraft server has more storage 
old marlin
Not in worstations etc
astral haven
The point is that it's not that far out
astral haven
In a couple years it'll be part of xr silicon
old marlin
My home server has 16 TB
old marlin
In a couple years it'll be part of xr silicon
Hopefully
astral haven
My Minecraft server has 80GB of ramdisk available
reef tundra
What year is it to be bragging with the few gb you have
old marlin
Lol
astral haven
I mean interpolation is already in the xr2 chip
shadow minnow
<:monkas:850198015498780672>
Going 20000 blocks from spawn can fill up lot of storage. Also exploring over 4000 m^2 grids
old marlin
Interpolation does not require special hardware
astral haven
Forwards projection won't take much time
astral haven
Interpolation does not require special hardware
You'd be surprised
old marlin
A gpu is excellent at it already
astral haven
Good interp is hard
reef tundra
delete the file
old marlin
Is just vector maths
reef tundra
explore more
astral haven
GPU efficiency gets anhialated by an asic
reef tundra
GPUs are asics. Just made to be more general than normally
astral haven
In modern GPUs everything is done in shaders
And shader units are not asics
Like GPUs are almost as programmable as fpgas now...
reef tundra
FPGAs are just a bunch of LUT tables in an array
astral haven
Also not true any more
Even my $50 fpga has more special purpose accelerators than a standard CPU...
It has 14 special function units
8 of them are madd units like you would see on a pre shader GPU...
And it's like 5 years old
Alot of modern fpgas are more serdes than lut
reef tundra
Imagine the suffering you could spread with that. So many forum posts with people losing their mind
astral haven
🤷♂️ technically speaking fpgas don't exist any more
Only cplds
Anyways point is special function accelerators for reprojection are awesome
reef tundra
New world record. Set by the greatest nation on the planet. From curing covid, unable to burn your competitors ballots, somehow being stuck in 1950s secret police tactics and now the biggest fuckup. 
pale sigil
My Minecraft server has more storage <:lul:576475280303063096>
Ye but you only have access to a Web panel not root xD
Major difference haha
old marlin
why are all premade headphone stands so damn ugly
makes me wanna learn casting alu
and get some woodcrafting tools
would need at least a shed for that though
astral haven
Don't like the wood loops?
astral haven
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01I8TLRG0
Think this is the one everyone gets
old marlin
both look like shit imo
timid chasm
they all do
old marlin
materials on this one look nice
timid chasm
hence why I'll only spend $9
old marlin
but the straight stand is shit
imo
these two are nice
both on etsy
they could both be improved imo
would raise price though
astral haven
I spent zero on my headphone stand
old marlin
also
astral haven
It's called the side of my monitor
old marlin
both are stupidly cheap to make
astral haven
Oils??
old marlin
yes
astral haven
Wash your face lmao
old marlin
the stuff you have on your skin and hair
timid chasm
cause that's how that works
astral haven
Wash regularly and not enough will build up to rub of on your screen just by being nearby
old marlin
ah yes
just have my headphones floating above my head
so they don't smudge acidic oils on my screen
when I hang them over them
astral haven
Doesn't touch the front of my monitor 🤷♂️
And the back of my monitor is perfectly clean even tho the headphones are there whenever I'm not using them...
ashen spindle
crimson wigeon
If only there was a vid attached... unless there is..
ashen spindle
clearly there is, but it's a secret
rain chasm
more cache is only useful as long as you can't fit into it.
if modern software wasn't so bloated it wouldn't matter 🤡
astral haven
It would
We've got a ton of cores now...
The cache per core ratio is lower with Ryzen than itanium or xeons from 2000...
ashen spindle
yeah I'm sure it's bloat if just about every single game benefits from the extra cache or just even the increased cache on zen3 already 
astral haven
The cachebois are very very hype
rain chasm
The cache per core ratio is lower with Ryzen than itanium or xeons from 2000...
depends on the cache level, L3 is shared so core count doesn't matter
astral haven
Every game going back to the original doom btw
astral haven
depends on the cache level, L3 is shared so core count doesn't matter
Wut???
astral haven
If you have say 30 threads to work on, each thread needs about 2MB of data, assuming perfect threading you need 60MB of cache for this one program...
rain chasm
well that's implementation details
rain chasm
amount of memory used per thread depends on the program
astral haven
To some extent
But you need a minimum amount of data per second to keep the core full...
rain chasm
also depends on the program
astral haven
And you can only do that by getting it into cache ahead of time
astral haven
But you need a minimum amount of data per second to keep the core full...
This doesn't depend at all on the program
It's either full or being underutilized...
rain chasm
bottom line is that if today's software wasn't bloated it would consume much less memory
perhaps to the point of all of it fitting in cache
astral haven
You obviously haven't ever been audited for security lol
rain chasm
what kind of mental gymnastics is that
astral haven
Most of the bloat is abstraction layers
Most of them security focused
Security or integrity
rain chasm
you can do Linux setups that consume less than 200MB RAM and there are CPUs like threadripper that got 256MB L3 cache
ashen spindle
things taking more than the absolute minimum that's possible after absolutely extreme optimisation is far from being "bloated"
astral haven
And remember Linux uses swap too
ashen spindle
by definition bloat implies increase in resources without a gain for the enduser, which really isn't the case
astral haven
That is data which is supposed to also be cached in memory
Even if it doesn't appear in active use graphs
rain chasm
things taking more than the absolute minimum that's possible after absolutely ex...
that's not the case. take Electron apps for example - ~100MB storage and ~300MB RAM.
a C++ OpenGL GUI can use only <2MB storage and ~20MB RAM (including shared libs)
unoptimized
astral haven
Electron apps are a vm...
There is you know a security and integrity factor...
I mean not a vm vm but a virtualized environment
ashen spindle
even ignoring security at all, there is such a thing as making things easier at the cost of more resources, if you don't need to know c++ code to make things, you suddenly open the door to lots more people being able to make something. at the cost of some more ram when everyone has excess of it anyway
astral haven
Optimized for what tho
rain chasm
it's just bloat
astral haven
Security optimized everything would take years to execute due to timing attacks
rain chasm
Security optimized everything would take years to execute due to timing attacks
name 1 security feature you're talking about
ashen spindle
sure, you go enjoy your things taking up only 0.2% of your ram, I enjoy using 10% and having more options 
astral haven
name 1 security feature you're talking about
Constant time programming
Where you program execution time to take the same amount of CPU cycles no matter what execution path
fickle ore
tbf if games be smaller I could ramdrive evrything, zoom wroom
astral haven
That's the most extreme example but it's horrifying to optimize for and is very very inefficient in terms of resource usage
ashen spindle
for games the biggest part are usually sound files, textures etc. not the code itself
astral haven
tbf if games be smaller I could ramdrive evrything, zoom wroom
I already can
Everything but ark
fickle ore
ark isn't worth downloading 😛
astral haven
Fun with friends
astral haven
Anyways the point was cache
rain chasm
running Doom on Windows 95 would fit in a Ryzen 9 cache 🤔
ashen spindle
guess 50gb for eternal really means it's all bloated nowadays then
shadow minnow
tbf if games be smaller I could ramdrive evrything, zoom wroom
Games can take up more/need extra ram compared to storage they take up
Example being Minecraft
reef tundra
Javascript is a mistake. Thats all
wheat plume
dang, I am happy this got funded so much!
I wonder are they actually based in San Fran.... Cause it is a chinese group that started this whole thing and the OS is Chinese too, so idk xd
wow.... its AMOLED
reef tundra
Would be quite weirdchamp if they wouldnt be an china based company calling itself that..
wheat plume
They are China based
Im wondering why on the IndieGOGO page, they are in San Fran and the currency is set to dollars
reef tundra
Defrauding the government 😎
wheat plume
Is their browser as exact replica of Safari?!
reef tundra
Chinese copyright laws are how do you say it.. give no fuck about anyone from the outside.
shadow minnow
Looks like combination of iOS and macOS safari
Maybe macOS but not sure.
But also new safari sucks compared to pre iOS 15 safari
wheat plume
I dont think that's desktop Safari xd
ashen spindle
wheat plume
👀
crisp granite
wheat plume
Ubuntu in their screenshots? 🤔
reef tundra
Maybe they need to be slapped with a suit that does not have trust in the company? what are they called again
crisp granite
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/google-allegedly-considered-buying-epic-...
"if you can't beat 'em, buy them out and force them to comply"
ashen spindle
but epic bad, why would google want to silence them 
reef tundra
"if you can't beat 'em, buy them out and force them to comply"
The freemarket is full with corruption, so I became the monopoly and corruption went to 0. Just looking at the numbers wrong, your honor.
shadow minnow
Ubuntu in their screenshots? 🤔
Wait, are the bezels uneven?
wheat plume
Yeah, cause thats not their OS xd
crisp granite
but epic bad, why would google want to silence them <:Pepega:596778982675054632>
I'd love to...silence...those who disagree with me
wheat plume
They overlayed it onto their tablet screen
reef tundra
The Fifa dev has parkinsons you know, dont shame him for it
Not easy pressing ctrl+c and ctrl+v every year
crisp granite
Not easy pressing ctrl+c and ctrl+v every year <:pepesweat:660549398417113098>
just did that
thrice
reef tundra
Wait wut. hacks
reef tundra
Im calling the admin
crisp granite
Cal can't save you from me
he benefits from my hacks
some..
casual
bribery lobbying
greasing a few palms makes everything better
reef tundra
Cal needs hacks to make a chance pvp'ing against me
crisp granite
Cal...succ at PVP, mans only won by shoving me off the edge when I was AFK, grabbing some milk of the almond NUT variety
reef tundra
Wont yoink my weapon out, i have my second weapon and third weapon armour redundant when slapping hard enough
The nightmare usually is afterwards and retrieving the lost items
pale sigil
Cal...succ at PVP, mans only won by shoving me off the edge when I was AFK, grab...
Just because I used terrain against you doesn't mean I suck
reef tundra
https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-firm-asks-google-to-block-127-0-0-1-210808/
That is what some might refer it to as a self-report. Pretty sus, and lets vent them
neat oriole
@old marlin youre eu right? How much did the emu teak cost in total?
old marlin
<@!595970503710343168> youre eu right? How much did the emu teak cost in total?
390€
With paypal fees
Shipped
neat oriole
Is that with the removable cables?
old marlin
My brother bought denon d7200 for 415€ yesterday
old marlin
Is that with the removable cables?
Yes
neat oriole
Emu teak > d7200
old marlin
Have the original cable as well as a cheap one from amazon
old marlin
2.5
reef tundra
Should not be the case, if you are importing them from an eurozone country
neat oriole
Wait where did you order them?
neat oriole
I was like damn new for 390 euro?
old marlin
Earpads are in excellent condition
Cups have some slight dings
But no scratches etc
Top coat still intact
neat oriole
That’s alright then
reef tundra
Advantages of the unified trade zone 
old marlin
Put some pledge on it
old marlin
Advantages of the unified trade zone <:blobaww:485173130344661003>
I am happy japan and NA are not one with the EU
reef tundra
Wouldn't even be possible without significant alteration to the terms. The US would never agree to any customer rights
old marlin
:MonkaS:
It was already set in place
Ttip was a thing
They would have been able to sell genetically modified meat
Without labeling it properly
To be able to stay competitive
reef patrol
...or else
misty saffron
LMAO
thick elk
Ah hp, their printers make me feel like owning a hacked console. Force disabling updates just to be able to use inked bought from other suppliers.
reef tundra
When resetting the software makes ink appear out of nothing
thick elk
I had a similar with brother, toner, basically out of the box it will just say toner runs out after a certain amount of use, you either have to change a setting all the time or manually reset the toner's use.
If the toner is really finished, I will notice it by looking at the page.
misty saffron
that's why inkjets are better™️
reef patrol
Laser
thick elk
Dot matrix is clearly much better
reef tundra
E-paper
thick elk
Which is exactly why I only use the printer at home on average once per 2 years or so
If I lived on my own, most definitely would not own a regular printer.
however we have a printer now, so I may as well use it if needed.
reef tundra
You would have to download a car, need a car printing one then
thick elk
with irregular I mean 3d printer
reef tundra
What method? powder?
thick elk
Mine is in the tinkering room I arranged in the attic
I personally kind of like the astetic of my prusa mk3s.
reef tundra
Depends on which tech you have. sla can be quite silent
thick elk
it's also not that loud
reef tundra
Hehehe, the machine the school had made available to us wouldnt need the user doing anything technical. Expensive powder and the surface will always stay dusty
But you can make it really precise and with bridges. in nylon 6,6
thick elk
Fair enough, what printer do you have then?
reef tundra
Personally?
thick elk
no fleimi
solar hinge
for th ebelgians and dutchies here who need storage https://www.mediamarkt.be/nl/product/_kingston-interne-ssd-schijf-1-tb-a2000-nvme-pcie-sa2000m8-1000g-1869234.html
halcyon moss
damn thats a good price. that was one if the ssds to get a while back
thick elk
That's a dann good price, if only I needed one.
I could go for an external ssd but still I don't really need it right now
reef tundra
A think there is another slot left on the board after the chipset however. But do I need it with TBs unused around
Hmm, seems its end of sale item
thick elk
As interesting as I find it, I sadly cannot warrant buying it. Sure I could get more storage in my system but I already have 2 1tb ones.
External ssd, sure but then I would also need to buy a nvme enclosure. In other words I cannot warrant buying this.
pale sigil
Good
crisp granite
gotta at least give apple credit for making them
- reasonably priced
- ship free on a $10 CAD purchase
reef tundra
Its practically free to make at the scale apple can operate
crisp granite
well, yes
but the USB-C to 3.5mm DAC is apparently hot shit
really good for audio
at an absurdly good price
young pecan
at an absurdly good price
Roon and that little DAC makes a pretty good combo.
Roon has that bit perfect playback and convolution filters.
Only problem is that Roon has the single worst shuffle functionality of any music app in the last 15 years.
reef tundra
convulsions filtering
reef tundra
wow.
young pecan
Ah, excellent.
vagrant pagoda
but the USB-C to 3.5mm DAC is apparently hot shit
It's the same dac as the m1 mac's believe
wheat plume
ooo, the new login is so pretty on Elementary 6
It shows your wallpaper as the banner image....hmmm xd
This is nice too
empty wren
Well was gonna happen, gonna suck that it is very inefficient and gets worse at higher wattage.
empty wren
Not to mention more heat will be generated whether the battery suffers will matter today
I got a partially graphene battery
And it still does not get to charge fast, it does not heat up but this is only coming to the market now in small amounts
empty wren
the very thing I wanted to keep
I wanted it not just for safer/faster charging but also for data transfer today it will go away soon
empty wren
Oh wdf
old marlin
meanwhile xiaomi does 55W wireless charging
and still does not ditch the charging port
empty wren
More like wireless to USB c dongle
wheat plume
Yeah..... my current Xiaomi phone runs 30W over cable and it gets real warm
old marlin
Yeah..... my current Xiaomi phone runs 30W over cable and it gets real warm
they do 200 in labs now
crimson wigeon
Sounds dangerous!
wheat plume
Yeah
ashen spindle
https://www.semiaccurate.com/2020/07/27/qualcomm-quick-charge-5-is-a-big-step-forward/ 100W charging ez
empty wren
That one has graphene pieces at least
crisp granite
they also do 120W in consumer phones already
explosions
fire
both very bad things
empty wren
Unlikely but battery could last a year or year and half
And replacing it will not make sense if one cares for water resistance
old marlin
both very bad things
could not find anything unusualy about the mi 11 ultra
doesn't seem like it is much of a problem
ashen spindle
you can very well make water proof things with a replaceable battery
that is not related
empty wren
Of course
old marlin
you can very well make water proof things with a replaceable battery
galaxy S5 
had both of those
empty wren
I just mean that phones these days are not made in the way like the galaxy s5
old marlin
was one of the earliest consumer "waterproof" smartphones
ashen spindle
ok so you are saying "they made it worse so I want them to make it even worse instead of better"? 
or am I missing your point
empty wren
Nah I am saying you speak of the ideal result
ashen spindle
you said
empty wren
Phones these days have the battery on the inside
empty wren
And the water resistance is not reapplied correctly if even done at all
thick elk
semi asccurate
Generally, SemiAccurate is pretty accurate when it comes to Semiconductor things.
wheat plume
aha
ashen spindle
yah it's Semiconductor accurate
wheat plume
:')
ashen spindle
well, half of the time at least 😛
reef tundra
constants
well, one of the third at least
but it either works or it wont 🤔 so 50% final answer
crimson wigeon
still doing that pentile scam I see
wheat plume
How does this work? I used this card today at a store and it was authorized
But this is in the transaction information in the app
Does that mean they haven't gotten the money yet? Idk how cards work ....
reef patrol
Physical stores often reserve transactions and do them all in bulk a day or two later.
This is very common for supermarkets and such in particular.
pale sigil
@wheat plume I couldn't imagine not having online banking
I've had it for so so so so so long
Like 15 I think or 16 I started using online banking
Cos I switched bank
Before was shitty santander
wheat plume
I'm just fucking glad I don't need to bring my actual card with me anywhere
I can just use my phone or if I need to spend more than €50, I can order a physical card with a pin number to pay
Which is better than carrying my actual bank card with all the account money in it
I can just prepay this card and it's only able to access that amount
empty wren
No nfc payments around?
wheat plume
That's what I can do with my phone now
Up to €50 per transaction
And the bank card before today
ashen spindle
Cold hard cash > other payments
wheat plume
Sometimes
astral haven
Cold hard cash > other payments
As a retail worker screw you
ashen spindle
M8 you’re talking to a German
pale sigil
I've been cashless for many many many years
wheat plume
Yeh... Change is a pain
ashen spindle
We have stores that don’t accept anything but cash still
pale sigil
And banking
wheat plume
Baking
wheat plume
We have stores that don’t accept anything but cash still
Same here .-
pale sigil
Germany is so far behind in some things
Lana your country is smaller than like
Basically anything
wheat plume
Xd
pale sigil
Makes sense xD
wheat plume
And?
ashen spindle
Sure but this is something people want and not government being slow to adept or so
young pecan
Tbh cash and crypto are good if you wanna be avoiding taxes and skirting them via gifts.
But digital for literally everything else.
pale sigil
Out of curiousity
If i wanted to leave money to someone and knew j was going to die
Could i withdraw everything in cash and gift without tax?
Afaik they'll ask how you got it
young pecan
Buy Etherium, send it to an address via Tornado Cash, and withdraw it from a black market service.
ashen spindle
Idk depends on what the law says in the UK
young pecan
That do be how you escape taxes.
young pecan
I repeat what I said. :P
ashen spindle
Oh no ofc not
wheat plume
Afaik they'll ask how you got it
I think thats what they do here
Because my mom once got her account suspended for a few days because she tried to deposit a lot of money she saved up at once
And they sent a letter about it asking her to declare taxes and shit
ashen spindle
You have free amounts and all that and there are ways to minimize it if you do it over time etc.
young pecan
I just pay for things with crypto via Tornado. 👌
Run it through 4 or 5 addresses and nobody is realistically tracing the hash back.
wheat plume
Wot
How tho...
Do you only use websites that accept payments in crypto currency?! There surely can't be a lot of those
young pecan
Wot
How tho...
Do you only use websites that accept payments in crypto currency?...
Ah but who said I was paying sites in crypto? 
pale sigil
You can trade crypto for real cash
wheat plume
Ohh
ashen spindle
not really the case since it's not your money anymore but the person who gets it so technically they dont take dead peoples money in that scenario
young pecan
Now, this is more of an educational bit, but you can grab yourself a Tor browser, find a guy, and trade for cash or goods.
Lotta people will go the extra mile for anonymity.
Quite risky, however.
I do find some IRC channels or private contacts can be good for sourcing goods with crypto. Especially with Tornado.
ashen spindle
you mean the extra mile for supposed anonymity and then either mess up or dont follow secure steps all the way so it's all done for naught
young pecan
you mean the extra mile for supposed anonymity and then either mess up or dont f...
That'd be why you never trust the beginners. :P
ashen spindle
or just not even bother with it in that way
young pecan
Imo one of the best ways to work out liquidating crypto anonymously is to make a burner account and just start broadcasting that you're interested in buying graphics cards or something atm.
Lotta people selling em will happily sell you GPUs for cheap which are an easy flip.
Like 5700XTs for a grand AUD.
young pecan
Yes.
For hashing, at least.
With VBIOS mods a 5700XT can push about 60MH/s on some miners. @crisp granite
Roughly as good as a 3070 for an average 30% less cost.
The issue is sourcing the damn things. Everyone wants to sell em for 1.5k each, but if you know a guy you can get them for 1k.
timid chasm
That sounds like a while to wait if you want to get ROI
young pecan
6 months or so.
Normally awful ROI, but the market won't recover for another year or so.
timid chasm
8 at current price if that 60 Mh/s is ETH
young pecan
Kinda.
If you do staking, day trading, and buying into more GPUs it can drop the ROI a bit.
Especially if you find actually good deals.
timid chasm
I mean sure if you want to use all your free time but you can do that with the stock market in the same way
young pecan
Stock market is also extremely risky.
Mining doesn't have the sheer risk that investing does since the asset can be liquidated.
crisp granite
Stock market is also extremely risky.
not really
you just need to read
and not be a dunce
I fit that criteria...barely
young pecan
He says, implying most people can.
young pecan
No, the stock market is extremely risky, use basic logic.
crisp granite
of course it is, to those who have no clue what they're doing
young pecan
You get people making obscene profits, where do those profits come from? (the other investors)
crisp granite
as with rifles, cars, etc
young pecan
Inherently the stock market requires people to lose for us to win.
crisp granite
You get people making obscene profits, where do those profits come from? (the ot...
(kinda but not actually how it works but ok)
young pecan
Kinda sorta.
crisp granite
with some stocks that should be outright avoided, yes
stocks I wouldn't go near? yeah, kinda how it works
young pecan
But when you have uber rich people moving around enough money to be making up high percentage chunks? Oh yes, those ones are a game of getting fucked less than everyone else.
crisp granite
Aeon...some stocks have very high yield even if they're perfectly legit
young pecan
I mean in the range of 90% APY, my dude.
young pecan
Yeah, but the problem is you gotta be able to move with the whale. :P
AMD is stable af, tho.
crisp granite
Aeon, I bought AMD for long term growth
everything I buy is for long term growth
young pecan
Should buy some crypto.
crisp granite
no
young pecan
No really.
crisp granite
no
young pecan
Just toss like... $200 at Etho.
crisp granite
that's a major no from me
crisp granite
Aeon, that's not what matters
young pecan
Oh?
crisp granite
the securities of the stock markets
"Etho is a great project." means nothing in that regard
young pecan
You have access to their entire white paper.
The whole project is open source.
Plus the discord is REALLY data heavy.
crisp granite
investments of mine are based off of data and are only in stocks with
- stability
- steady growth
- something I understand enough to feel comfortable investing in
plus, stock market has magical rules and safeguards
UMIR
young pecan
Mmm, that's kinda not how crypto works, which is a double edged sword.
Like...
It functions identically to stocks, but the tech is immature still.
crisp granite
I'm pretty sure any crypto market out there doesn't follow UMIR because it doesn't fall under that
and that in and of itself is terrifying
young pecan
Means high market volatility which is really good.
young pecan
Take Ergo, for example. The Ergo Network is a super good project a lot of people want in on.
It was always going up.
crisp granite
crypto is for those with higher risk tolerances than mine, ok?
I'll stick to stock
young pecan
Well that's kinda the thing.
A lot of crypto is extremely risk averse since a lot of them are designed deliberately to be stable.
Cardano, for example.
Based on PoS, the project is really good, power efficient, nice white paper, good community.
Cardano doesn't really see absurd drops for no reason.
Now it sees a heap of random little peaks.
But you don't really need to all in on crypto. Buying $100 here and there of little coins before they get into an exchange is a brilliant long term hold.
crisp granite
Aeon...again, it does not follow UMIR and I, a person partaking in said market, would enjoy said safeguards enforced
young pecan
shrugs Then you do the magic of diversify the assets.
Keep 95% in stocks, and throw a little bit into something like Cardano or small coins.
crisp granite
fine
young pecan
Only one coin in 20 even needs to work.
crisp granite
just to shut you up on that
young pecan
:P
young pecan
It's the same math, my guy.
crisp granite
well yes, but also lolnope
young pecan
Invest in 10 companies, only a few need to do well.
Crypto tends to start scaling at higher numbers due to market volatility.
But take Dogecoin as another example.
That shit was worth 2 cents each.
Every time I get paid I wouldn't miss $50.
Like...
Had I put that 50 in I would have had 2500 tokens.
Which, at peak, was 2 grand.
I could easily have put 50 into 30 currencies and just Doge working out would have offset them all.
wheat plume
The base edition of the Steam deck does not have a large enough storage capacity for Windows 10 to even install....
reef patrol
You're kind of supposed to add an SDcard 😄
And yes - Windows was never the intent to begin with anyway
wheat plume
iirc the GPU drivers dont work on Windows yet
ashen spindle
..since when did win10 grew like 5x in size?
or is there an unreleased base edition that has less disk space?
ashen spindle
why do I even bother 🙄
wheat plume
or is there an unreleased base edition that has less disk space?
There is a fan made edition that removes all bloat and spyware and windows update
but its bad for gaming causee you cant get DX12 cause that comes through via windows update
ashen spindle
that tells me nothing
the cheapest steam deck has 64gb
and win10 needs 20gb
so how is it not fitting
misty saffron
"there's a fan made edition for those who want a taste of more of those nsa exploits!"
wheat plume
20? iirc my install took more space than that
how do I check how large the OS itself is installed?
misty saffron
won't ever stop calling people who disable windows update retarded since wannacry
ashen spindle
so you thought win10 was more than 64gb?
wheat plume
Close to it
reef patrol
and win10 needs 20gb
Win10 needs more than that.
ashen spindle
it's what microsoft says on their site
reef patrol
You literally cannot install and update a Windows 10 stick PC with 32GB as of... 4 years ago or more 😛
ashen spindle
not it's 20gb needed size for windows, not that it lets you install on it, that might be checked for idk
either way 64gb are enough for any normal windows install
wheat plume
misty saffron
nice accent color
wheat plume
🅱️urple
misty saffron
funny that 11 has twice as less folders lol
ashen spindle
misty saffron
in the windows folder?
ashen spindle
so it's a nothing burger, got it
misty saffron
what edition quintosh
ashen spindle
pro I think
misty saffron
hm
i have pro for workstations but additional components from that can't be 7gb lol
ashen spindle
misty saffron
installed pro for workstations because i was afraid ReFS doesn't work on pro lol
ashen spindle
nice my 3080 FE order went through 
wheat plume
3080 Iron edition!
wheat plume
ddisk cleanup doesnt do shit xd
crimson wigeon
You have to clean up system files as well
wheat plume
is there a way to find duplicate files on Windows?
crimson wigeon
And then, there is this nonsense
reef patrol
Meanwhile in Chrome land.
wheat plume
Why cant it update?
reef patrol
Cause I took a sharp razor to its balls and cut them off.
Google changed some UI Stuff by force in the version after this one. And I don't want it - I fucking hate it 😄
shadow minnow
Even worse with intel XTU for me. Can’t installed it because it says it already is, but also it is not, and part that remained I can’t uninstall because it lacks sth smh
wheat plume
Google changed some UI Stuff by force in the version after this one. And I don't...
Such as? I am on latest version in Linux and the only UI change is that it no longer has a thick black border around the entire windows when using the GTK theme
and that's a great change
reef patrol
Such as? I am on latest version in Linux and the only UI change is that it no lo...
The popups when you hover over tabs can't be disabled.
There's a big fat button you can't remove.
wheat plume
what button?
reef patrol
I don't remember exactly - But I also am not going to un-leash Chrome cause it is a fucking nightmare to get an old version installed xD
crimson wigeon
Probably that tab search button
reef patrol
Probably, yeah. I remember it being a downwards arrow looking icon?
reef patrol
In my version you can disable them in the behind the scenes system. As of literally the update after that, they're all gone. Forced enabled.
Also in Brave etc..
wheat plume
Time to see if there is a way to force it gone
oh....Even on Windows, Chrome opens in a stupidly sized window
The popups when you hover over tabs can't be disabled.
reef patrol
Like I said 😄
wheat plume
it still has a tooltip... fml
reef patrol
And now you know why I've neutered my Chrome 😄
reef patrol
reef patrol
wheat plume
🤦🏻♀️
reef patrol
NEW AND IMPROVED
ashen spindle
that's only really coming if you change it the first time
so.. are you sure you set it to something else before?
wheat plume
Ive changed it twice already
but its been December the first time
and today second time
reef patrol
Windows has at least once rolled back to Edge.
It was in one of the service packs - Where they re-did a lot in Edge. People fucking hated them for it 😄
old marlin
did it once for me
reef patrol
"Oh no - Sorry. Wasn't intended to happen. Bug in update. Pls don't call EU and sue us...again"
wheat plume
.-.
mmm yes, LibreOffice is definitely a risky thing to install
Could have virus for all you know
/s
reef patrol
Might be a new build?
wheat plume
ElementaryOS does this with ALL APPS
reef patrol
wheat plume
when you try to install it's Flatpak
I love being told that Firefox may be dangerous and needing to check a box that I accept full responsibility if it fucks up my system! /s
shadow minnow
Tbh one really cool thing more OS should do is allowing you to select what you allow that app to do, and not just changes to computer in general. Also having to click on it every time with some apps, annoying.
wheat plume
You can control things like t hat wth Flatpak apps
Remove network access, GPU acceleration, file system access, ETC
reef patrol
The trouble with this is that you essentially need to sandbox apps.
Like chrome does - So more RAM usage to make sure nothing escapes their limitations.
Windows and Linux programs aren't exactly known for keeping everything in one location, or adhering to strict platform guidelines. If they want to load a .dll in a weird and random folder, allowing them to do whatever...they can and will 😄
wheat plume
crimson wigeon
And again, when MS tried to do this developers hated it and refused to move their software to UWP
reef patrol
Mhmm
shadow minnow
Still, just allowing apps to make changes to whole system is kinda not the best imo. Especially since you have to do that with quite a few apps and with some every time.
But also so many apps still using the 1990a looking exe installers or needing to be extracted.
reef patrol
The way they go about it is also pants on head. Just look at the Xbox Games app. If you download a Windows game with it, Microsoft hides away the game folder as hard as it can, making basic modding very difficult (or downright impossible)'
reef patrol
Still, just allowing apps to make changes to whole system is kinda not the best ...
That's just business talking. No need to update to Installshield 2020 if 1998 version does the job still 😄
ashen spindle
but we can't blame the devs for not using the options, then we can't blame microsoft for it anymore
reef patrol
Blame MS for bad implementation.
Blame devs for not being consistent or giving new stuff a chance.
ashen spindle
I mean the only other way would be for MS to make it a forced thing which would just break everything
shadow minnow
Sure. Just the UI looks bad, but that does not matter so much. Rather this thing with apps doing whatever they want is imo not the best.
Some things may not be possible without dev updates, even though it works for long on macOS, but things like not allowing app access to camera or microphone deffaultly would not imo need anything special. App just would not get input if it asked for it
ashen spindle
and that's just worse for everyone
shadow minnow
Yeah. But maybe sth like detecting what the app wants to do, and asking user for permissions based on that could work.
crimson wigeon
And that's already implemented you can deny that access from classic win32 apps now, they just might get a bit confused
shadow minnow
Blame MS for bad implementation.
Blame devs for not being consistent or giving n...
True.
reef patrol
Hell just look at how many game devs still use fucking documents/my games for savegames 😄
ashen spindle
you can deactivate it for apps in windows they just dont ask for specific permissions but you can manage that before the app is even isntalled
reef patrol
Or worse - Just fucking Documents xD
crimson wigeon
Electrontic Arts
wheat plume
This fucking Chrome Tab Search button is so misaligned and tiny.... I hate it
ashen spindle
did you already install it again after just uninstalling it?
crimson wigeon
The sad part, even Microsoft seems to have forgotten about the Saved Games folder...
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/gdk/_content/gc/get-started-with-pc-dev/pc-dev-system/gr-pc-faq#where-should-i-save-local-game-saves
reef patrol
Ew xD
ashen spindle
how dare they add a sentence before the answer that adds extra safety 🙄
I too hate it when I can restore my games after my pc has an issue and I need to redownload it
ashen spindle
so read more than one sentence ffs
wheat plume
I know the right answer is below it
crimson wigeon
effort
wheat plume
but they are pushing this hard
And this is Microsoft, they could just drop their xcloud because they no longer care
and then all save data gone
ashen spindle
this is normal for literally any documentation where there is a common way to do something that people who look for this question do/dont do/forget etc.
and why would they not mention the MS Game core way to save it in the MS Game core FAQ?
you think unity links to unreal instead of their own solutions in their FAQ?
a python documentation is also more likely to link to a solution in python than something external
ashen spindle
..that's my point
wheat plume
Then why you talking about those examples for?
shadow minnow
Tbh cloud saving games can be quite nice, but yeah, don’t think that’s very local
ashen spindle
thats why its a RECOMMENDATION in ONE sentence above it and not telling you to only save it online
wheat plume
Tbh cloud saving games can be quite nice, but yeah, don’t think that’s very loca...
If you have a Switch online subscription, save data is automatically backed up to their cloud
im n9ot sure how to feel aboout that
Cause you need th subscription to access that save data if you lose your local copy
or get a new Switch
shadow minnow
Yeah, that sucks
young pecan
or get a new Switch
It’s still better than fucking Sibelius and it’s connected apps and services.
ProTools, for example, requires a multi hundred dollar license which includes a year of updates, and when your year of updates runs out you have 3 months to buy another year of updates or else your current license becomes invalid and you have to buy another professional licence because you can’t buy a year of updates more than 3 months after your subscription ends, instead you have to buy an entirely new licence so you can restore the ability to buy more updates.
Talking to ProTools support they’ll simply hang up if you want to buy updates for a key that’s more than 3 months out.
wheat plume
It’s still better than fucking Sibelius and it’s connected apps and services.
https://youtu.be/dKx1wnXClcI
S I B E L I U S C R A S H E D
crimson wigeon
Mmmm.. DRM dongles..
young pecan
https://youtu.be/dKx1wnXClcI
__***S I B E L I U S C R A S H E D***__
THE CHEESE MELTS IN THE MICROWAVE
Honestly though, that’s such a flawlessly made video.
Absolutely top tier work.
wheat plume
yeh!
I love this guy
but on the other hand, he is the guy that turned Audacity into Spyware
.-.
Needing to be 13years or older to use it now due to data collection
reef patrol
I'm surprised that doesn't say EDB TERMINALEN or something equally arcane 😄
old marlin
wheat plume
sexagesimal
wheat plume
LOL
old marlin
they mainly focus on stuff around programming obv
and we still can't find webdevs
or anything frontend
ashen spindle
get me a backend guy and I'll find you a frontend guy 
old marlin
wheat plume
Is it safe to remove plasma-meta? I want to remov Discover app center cause I hate it and dont use it
old marlin
just do the usual thing with stuff like that
google if it is fine
only find bad answers around it for deprecated versions of it
wheat plume
im looking
wheat plume
It seems removing plasma-meta is a bad idea
and you should use the plasma group packages instead.....
hmmm, I assume the distro used meta since its installed
halcyon moss
dont use it? :p
wheat plume
ew.... Oxygen style
I hate that shit
I use the Lightly style and it's gorgeous :D I tweak some of the settings though
I am not a fan of Breeze Dark for some reason and I can't figure out why
I prefer Breeze Light
oh?
Does this add an option in the "Colors" selection in settings?
Or does it overwrite one?
ooh ok
I may try it
They are using Latte dock as the top panel also
Hmm, ok then
oohhhh
wheat plume
Dell are charging €84 for 8GB ram......
misty saffron
wym, looks good
255 is the biggest value you can store in an unsigned byte
so it's fully charged
halcyon moss
what is a Quick cpu/memory benchmark? im getting larger memory modules and i want to compare to current
ashen spindle
linpack
any mem change will change linpack results
so it's a bit more accurate for that than lets say aida
fair gull
Have you read their Github Bio? It's very cultured
github what
wheat plume
This
ashen spindle
oh and, linpack will run hot so dont be worried if cpu hits high temps during it haha
young pecan
Minecraft. Pog.
misty saffron
wow that is ugly
old marlin
so much wasted space at the top
wheat plume
...... it broke the screenshot function?!
ashen spindle
are you replacing memory or adding onto existing ram?
young pecan
...... it broke the screenshot function?!
That... sounds unrelated. 
wheat plume
Id hope so...
halcyon moss
are you replacing memory or adding onto existing ram?
replacing
1 stick with 2 sticks from a new set.
ashen spindle
is there a QVL list for the laptop and if so were the sticks on it?
halcyon moss
don't think they were...
atleast not on the memory creator site they werent
ashen spindle
nah it would be on the laptop site, the memory vendors dont test for that lol
halcyon moss
lets see, thinkpad x1 extreme gen 1
ashen spindle
but yeah without a QVL it's just random to work or not rip
https://www.crucial.de/compatible-upgrade-for/lenovo/thinkpad-x1-extreme oh nvm count me corrected, at least crucial has a qvl for it
halcyon moss
hyperx, so kingston.. not listed
ashen spindle
well that's just from crucials own sticks
halcyon moss
kingston doesnt list it i mean
ashen spindle
ahhh I see
old marlin
peripheral side got bought by hp
ashen spindle
and yeah, that name change might affect it
wheat plume
Valve can count to 3!
ashen spindle
best part is that I can now ask people who talk about arch "oh so you're using the steam deck?"
crimson wigeon
They should have memed and called it SteamOS 2 Episode One
wheat plume
YES XD
chrome estuary
I own a z fold 2. It's nice buuuut
wheat plume
LOL
empty wren
still has a charging port
bruh well guess they just think people are not ready yet
reef tundra
Who needs an atomic clock in their computer. Incase you become a satalite or warhead navigation is needed?
reef patrol
Sometimes you just gotta know the exact Linux Date down to the nanosecond.
old marlin
when you have to do measurement stuff
reef patrol
I imagine this might be relevant for high precision measurements, stock markets?
old marlin
in radiotechnology
old marlin
I imagine this might be relevant for high precision measurements, stock markets?
with stock market you usually only need the newest market in relation to old one
but in data acquisition you might need exact timeframes
reef tundra
You only need need it to communicate with others. Itself has no concept or need of time
shadow minnow
My mobo considering price has really bad clock and RGB
old marlin
you don't have some radio/xray equipment or gigantic databases at home though
shadow minnow
Sure, still, two hours off after just three days
old marlin
lol
thick elk
Watching both video's it seems the main use case is chronology in distributed databases.
For facebook at least.
halcyon moss
I know of some servers that get an GPS input (because atom clock in space). They're used for telescopes
crimson wigeon
Looks about right
ashen spindle
crisp granite
a core i7 from 9 years ago is as good as a mobile CPU with double the core/thread count, higher clock speeds, IPC improvements and more?
LOL NOPE
astral haven
Unpopular opinion
The actual numbers that ubm produces are good
Just the editor is a moron and the effective speeds mean nothing
ashen spindle
how is the +2% of that last picture good?
crimson wigeon
But why be like that
ashen spindle
like in what world on what metric does that make sense
astral haven
astral haven
how is the +2% of that last picture good?
Effective speed is the editor bs
ashen spindle
ok so the only parts that are useable are the details that people dont look into and if they do, it's people who dont use UB anyway
just use the anandtech bench in that case
like sure, they are doing the bare minimum and not manipulating user send data
that's in no way something anyone should define as "good"
reef tundra
Doesn't matter what is editor bs when unassuming people will actually use it to compare. That is the goal of misinformation. Raw data is useless without an interpretation. What is good? What is significant? How you present data will change how it can be viewed.
reef tundra
json
crimson wigeon
Rather that than yaml
wheat plume
fuck yaml
astral haven
ok so the only parts that are useable are the details that people dont look into...
Literally "average score" is fine
astral haven
Doesn't matter what is editor bs when unassuming people will actually use it to ...
Again average score
astral haven
ok so the only parts that are useable are the details that people dont look into...
The other awesome thing is the real world variabity
The entire 3000u series had 2 entirely separate (20% difference) performance tiers
It was pretty much random which performance tier the user would get, but every reviewer besides notebookcheck exclusively received the higher performance skus
On userbenchmark you could clearly see the different performance tiers
Single channel garbage, and normal systems.
Also note the data is user submitted
So you won't be seeing actual data until the cherry picked early benchmarks get overwhelmed by actual end user data
And yes we have had users in low spec gamer who got performance downgrades from 4000u (Intel) to 3000u (AMD) on igpu ofc
Obviously throw in the second stick of ram and it zooms away but still
If you didn't know to look up real world perf figures you wouldn't know that oh yea wait the variability on these platforms is huge
ashen spindle
so for people who know how to read the data because they have knowledge about the topic, it can be used to infer things, yet the generalisation is shit and that is the main thing people use it for and for more detailed data you can look at other sites
leaves me with the impression it's not good data
again not saying they are lying or faking the numbers, just misrepresenting them when knowingly having an audience that expects the site to tell them everything
astral haven
Literally says it right on the site
"average score"
And they are lying (one of the site admins lies blatsntly in the comments)
reef tundra
Thats a lot of words and images to try justifying. Are you getting payed or somethin?
astral haven
If that's the only comeback you can think of I'll take that as a victory
ashen spindle
I know they are lying in the articles, I'm talking about the raw data
and if they present "effective speed" as the first criteria, anyone would assume that means the overall result
ashen spindle
yes but remember who the 99% of the audience of the site are
not people who understand it and know what tech is better or why etc.
ashen spindle
yes
astral haven
Now here's the other thing
What if I told you that on average the end user is going to experience something closer to the effective speed
You wouldn't believe me that I'm confident of
reef tundra
Having lots of variation tends to be bad in general. Tends to be because the tests/criteria are not properly set/done.
astral haven
If I survey people over the world I'm gonna get large variation in melanin content
Laptop chips have huge performance variations
If you need a reliable reviewer with fantastic methodology to verify against you have notebookcheck
NBC found the exact same pattern with 3000u
It was actually atrocious
Larger difference in in game fps than the worst 2080 max qs to the desktop 2080
(For scale of how big the performance difference was)
And that was laptops with the same listed specs
ashen spindle
zzz seems my isp likes to entertain the idea of making the internet not work multiple times a week now, cba typing on phone for much so I'm going to bed