🔌│tech

[pale sigil]

But isn't as cool as a step up vs scart

[shadow minnow]

Best music streaming service is?

[chrome estuary]

i've heard good things about apple music

[wheat plume]

🤔 Why it say Google Workspace instead of Google Mail now?!

[chrome estuary]

shurg

[wheat plume]

it wont load

wot

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-the-simpsons-at-least-you-tried-fail-failure-gif-7859548

[wheat plume]

OOO

TIL the dev for myTube works at Microsoft now

It is the best yt client I have used though

There is no shuffle option on playlists though ;-; idk why not

[wheat plume]

https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/oure2q/using_raspberry_pi_cpu_as_a_button/

Using the CPU itself as a button.....

Interesting

[latent mural]

I need some help

i've been thinking of getting 128gb of ram

i currently have 16gb but i've been wondering whether or not it should buy it

[misty saffron]

yeah you should

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

I could mod rimworld so much with that much memory

[young pecan]

What do you even need so much RAM for?

[reef tundra]

Running the browser

[young pecan]

Most applications just do not need that much, and most of the time there you’ll likely be CPU bottlenecked anyway since what can even use that much RAM is stupid expensive.

[empty wren]

Must be using that new cool gaming browser

[reef tundra]

Edge browser

[empty wren]

Nah that actually is a good browser

I meant opera gx

[reef tundra]

Shady bussiness practices

[timid chasm]

running an ATLAS server obviously. Need all the sections available

[reef tundra]

No Opera

[empty wren]

Oh alright

[shadow minnow]

So running windows 11 UI

[reef tundra]

Edge still sucks from my 20 minutes using it to install another browser on my sisters new laptop

[empty wren]

To be honest windows 11 should run better if someone has a new Intel chip

[timid chasm]

20 mins to install a new browser? wtf

[empty wren]

😭😭🤣🤣😭😭🤣🤣

[timid chasm]

open > website > download > done

[reef tundra]

No joke it gave a popup how fast it is, freezes totally immidiately, having task manager terminate it. Restart it again, see their promise how stable and fast it is, and hogging 60 to 80 % of the cpu

its beyond parody

[empty wren]

Shoulda been 69% usage to at least get something right

[shadow minnow]

But also, how is it with default windows antivirus? Some people say it sucks, some there is basically no point of getting some different antivirus.

[empty wren]

It works very well

And maybe even better given it is deeply integrated

[reef tundra]

They all use the same database nowadays

[empty wren]

I guess you will not get McAfee shredder and probably will not want to use since McAfee used it last

[reef tundra]

only difference is how fast they update that database

[empty wren]

But pigging back of Pincus why do you want some 3rd party using storage and CPU

For something that almost always is not an issue

[shadow minnow]

Because, tbh, going by rule of not installing shady stuff is one thing, but there is the fact that I play some games, especially mc with bit of mods, so rather have at least some antivirus.

[reef tundra]

Modern browser sandbox themselves

[empty wren]

Also I think Microsoft's implemention is usually fine

But other ones can be picked up

Only had one issue with Microsoft's with a game

[reef tundra]

Microsoft defender is sufficient for basic scanning, monitoring, and on the fly file scan

[empty wren]

Linux is probably the best choice

[shadow minnow]

Still tbh not a fan of having to allow apps to just “make changes in pc” instead of being able to chose which permissions do I allow, and seeing which ones the app wants.

[empty wren]

But for the consumer Microsoft defender is pretty good

[reef tundra]

If you need something more you are pretty much in heavy shit and need to be resued

malware bytes or along those lines

[empty wren]

Well you can use a local account then

Microsoft really made a big mistake with making admin available in the form it is

[empty wren]

Malware bytes is okay but does it not use a database too?

[reef tundra]

windows has the most basic form of administration control. possible

[shadow minnow]

Not good for security at all though

Usually prefer simplicity myself, but when it comes to this thing. It’s just, really not that hard to have the app ask for individual permissions.

[empty wren]

Well it is a desktop computer with a full fat os

Not a phone which is quite personal these days

[reef tundra]

Unix uses the read,write,execute for user,group,world to handle permissions. Simple and effective

[empty wren]

Do not think people would be happy with having to grant permission all the time on a pc

Especially in the enterprise space

[shadow minnow]

Don’t think it would be an issue if done right

[reef tundra]

System administrators should know about how groups work and add you to the correct groups to accesss all you would ever need and nothing more

[shadow minnow]

For example if instead of current window, you just have pop up with all the things app request, deffaulty ticked. So would not require any extra clicks unless you want to disallow some permission

[empty wren]

Well you can already do that

Just not on the start

Though again, doing that could break a lot

[reef tundra]

Worst situation is too much permission and they could abuse it

[empty wren]

I mean there is no flashlight app on windows asking for location 🤣🤣

If there was then fair case

Anyways WindowsOS is not a toy

Though Microsoft did at one point have Windows 10S

[old shuttle]

is anything known about how the Wooting 2 is going to report hall switch status to the OS?

[reef patrol]

Not sure I follow - It reports digital inputs like any other keyboard. The analog side of things uses DirectInput or Xinput like any of the older Flaretech models.

Nothing new there.

[old shuttle]

ok, I'm not a Windows user; I'm also writing a USB HID driver. How does it indicate this at the USB level?

[reef patrol]

Now we're entering a level where I am not comfortable with the technical specifics - The Wooting appears as several devices. A keyboard and a controller basically. 🙂

[old shuttle]

ie, game controller?

[reef patrol]

Yep.

[old shuttle]

so that's both HID

[reef patrol]

Xbox Controller and/Or a generic one.

[ashen spindle]

for the user it should be pretty much the same as with the flaretech versions

if you take a look at the analog SDK and/or the linux version of wootility it should tell you what you are looking for

if not #🤖│community_dev is probably the best place for those low level questions

[old shuttle]

ah, I thought this channel would be for it

[ashen spindle]

more general tech related talk, also feel free to ping Simon or Jeroen as those 2 would be the ones who know that for sure

[reef patrol]

[old shuttle]

ok, thx!

[ashen spindle]

is that a question or a statement

[crimson wigeon]

Yes

[misty saffron]

not sure if that's english

[ashen spindle]

well the water bottle looks russian

[misty saffron]

weirdchamp

[pale sigil]

Haha sorry

*is this strong enough or to strong

I was rush typing

[ashen spindle]

it's IPA not an acid...

so yes you can use it

[reef patrol]

IPA is perfect for CPUs.

[young pecan]

IPA 99, should be good.

Nothing better for cleaning thermal paste.

[reef patrol]

High alcohol content, evaporates quickly.

[young pecan]

Y’know, comes with the added benefit that if you kill your PC for being an idiot you can drink it and wake up in a hospital. It’s like teleportation with extra steps.

[misty saffron]

@pale sigil as long as you don't mix it with chromic acid you're all good 👍

[pale sigil]

I dudnt pay for it

Just got given it lol

So I thought it would be useful to keep

[thick elk]

ipa is also very good for cleaning off ruberized coatings

[crisp granite]

ew

[thick elk]

I never drank alcohol in my life so when I say ipa it's either isopropylalcohol or the International Phonetic Alphabet

[old shuttle]

which of the IPAs is for the rubberized coatings?

the isopropyl, right?

[thick elk]

yea

[old shuttle]

was using that recently and it's not easy to get off

but I have some of the beers around, but not isopropyl... and IPA beers aren't great, so I figured maybe...

[crisp granite]

please

[thick elk]

my experience is just some toiletpaper and pure alcohol works wonders on rubberized coating

[crisp granite]

do not put india pale ale on your CPU

ever

[pale sigil]

XD

[crisp granite]

just the high proof stuff that will make you blind if you drink it

that's the good stuff

👍

[old shuttle]

this was for the rubberized stuff that I used to waterproof the rabbit pen's roof, that I got on my fingers

[pale sigil]

Wow

You're behind lol

[misty saffron]

they should let nitro users change fonts

i'd buy it just so i no longer see this

[reef tundra]

fech_talk

That either looks like an christian cross or f in my mind

[reef patrol]

[reef tundra]

Cool. Dont know why we would have to know that. Only Discord itself would care

Cool, then you wont buy it

[shadow minnow]

Was for free for 3 months

[reef tundra]

Can be too much for some 🤷

Yea and?

Services can be given for free

[old shuttle]

@misty saffron why does it use that font on your system?

[misty saffron]

ask discord devs

[shadow minnow]

Still did not get notification that replacement mobo and cpu should arrive tomorrow and I am not a fan of that. Last time it came 3 days after previous mail. Now it’s been almost a week.

[young pecan]

Literally change your phone font.

It works.

[misty saffron]

holy fucking shit that’s one ugly camera “bump”

camera brick

[neat oriole]

At least it won’t wobble

[misty saffron]

it houses 3 cameras btw

[empty wren]

Looks alright, concerning is wireless charging

[crimson wigeon]

Meh, it won't be officially available in my country anyway

[empty wren]

Weird

Where do you live?

[crimson wigeon]

Finland, still

[empty wren]

Ah

[halcyon moss]

i love it

integrated into the design instead of these random black dots on one of the top sides of the phone

i think the bump on my s21u is ugly

[solar hinge]

what about the xiaomi m11 ultra?

[halcyon moss]

its not pretty..

[chrome estuary]

These fucking headphones are so close I can almost hear them. They're going from the big town near where I live likely to the smaller town where my mail is actually shipped out from... I'm hoping they'll be here today and USPS isn't gonna do something stupid like hold them over night

[reef tundra]

They are pretty much buying a smart camera with the blave step to make the lens not removable.

[shadow minnow]

Replacement cpu and mobo finally tomorrow

[thick elk]

For me phones are really just tools to be used, why care about an ugly bump.
I fee llike removing the wobble alone makes it a good move.

This is also why I hate the move to metal for phones and hate the move to glass after even more.

Plastics are just the superior material.

[shadow minnow]

Tbh get it, some people including me use phones for almost everything sometimes over 12 hours a day.

[shadow minnow]

Don’t fully agree with this. One thing is waste, but plastic also has its issues like scratches. And also it just feels worse, which does not matter if you use case, but otherwise…

[reef tundra]

You would be suprised on the range of plastics and unique characteristc

[thick elk]

I know hardly anyone who actually uses a glass phone without a case, whereas it's much more common with something like a plastic.
As for feel not all plastics are the same, my note 3 from 2013 felt pretty great.

[shadow minnow]

Frosted glass on the back for example feels so much better than plastic. Not the biggest fan of glossy glass though tbh. Also stainless steel is quite Pog.

[thick elk]

Metal has the problem of blocking signals, which is generally not desirable, sure antena lines help, but wireless charging if you want that is not possible for example.

As for the environment plastic smartphones are really no worse than metal. The main issue with plastic waste is the large quantity of disposable plastics.

[shadow minnow]

Sure, that’s why I think stainless steel for sides and frosted glass on back is the best combination

[thick elk]

Stainless steel sides sure, but I would go for a nice plastic back.

a big issue with glass as well is that it's cannot deform as much during impact, this leads to a lot of broken phones.

The number of specifically glass backs being shattered is pretty damn large.

[reef tundra]

plastic or metal would be wastefull to be left in some remote foreign coutry to polute their drinking water. Or burned to release more carinogenic chemicals than we are aware exist

For sustainability there would be a lot more gain in making the phones more repairable, upgradable, and scrapable.

[thick elk]

Phones would be a lot better on that front if the common failure points where easily available / replacable.
I really would not mind legislation that demands replacement parts for certain frequently failing parts to be available. And that installing them should only require basic tools, like a screw-driver.
Batteries for example are always going to wear out over time, so I find it quite insane how difficult replacing them on some phones can be.
Same for screens that quite commonly break and charge ports.

I am pretty sure you can still make your phone waterproof if you have those parts be replacable like that.
Especially once manufacturers are forced to figure it out.

[old shuttle]

it's also such a disgrace that we only have AA and AAA as standard rechargeable battery sizes

ie, there is no real standard LiPo cell

why not take a standardish 8x8x1cm for a large cell and 4x4x0.5 for a small one?

[thick elk]

I wouldn't go that far as that would impact the battery life quite a bit.
Still I feel like with proper regulation a lot can be improved on this front.

[reef tundra]

Biggest reason is maximum use of the empty area with battery but components can just as well be made to do the same. 🤷 Custom battery production of li-ion type is cheap and skilled engineers are expensive. So li-ion batteries were pretty much the filler, Li-po has mostly settled on a standard size for general use.

New type of batteries are being researched into. They can be cut in half, punchured, bent whatever it will still work somewhat. Which current tech is notiriously known for.

Found an older article (2017) but still pretty cool watch if you like that kind of stuff https://www.jhuapl.edu/PressRelease/191014

[native raven]

You can have standards for smaller cells and have multiples of those tiled in devices

[shadow minnow]

Still would be worse. Every device usually has different battery, and having it all based on standards would just make it lot less space effective, unless you would have like 1000 standards

[reef patrol]

It's almost as if you can stack AAs

Same thing is valid for any kind of cell.

[ashen spindle]

yeah the focus is on standardS. multiple option, not one

and you combine them if needed

[shadow minnow]

Sure, but that would still be less effective than every device having custom battery. Possibly over 10%, especially since some custom batteries are L shaped. Even combining may result in like 20% less capacity. Batteries are imo one thing that should not really be standard, apart from way they are charged I guess

[ashen spindle]

weird how that is not an issue in any sector that has norms, but in sectors that don't, the argument is that norms wouldn't work so they don't try it, almost like it would show the opposite if they did 😛

hmmm why does this sound just like right to repair 😛

[reef patrol]

I strongly disagree with that assumption.

Every time a smartphone or other product is obsoleted, all of the manufactured batteries for those products are scrapped.

(Not to mention how aggressively companies like Apple try and get third party spare parts crushed and destroyed when crossing borders)

[vagrant pagoda]

There are aa and aaa size lipos that are pretty standard in flashlights

[astral haven]

18650 is a standard too

As is 21650

[astral haven]

L shaped batteries are 2 or 3 separate batteries, they could each be a standard size...

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/amd-announces-radeon-pro-w6800x-duo-with-two-navi-21-gpus-for-apple-mac-pro hey look, it's the rumoured multi chip gpu

[crimson wigeon]

Mmmm

[reef tundra]

So multiple GPU's are back

And its looking at me

👀

[shadow minnow]

Don’t wanna know the price

What are Safe ram voltages with 11900k and Samsung B die? I mean, Normal voltage is 1.5V I guess, but what about the secondary voltages, like SA. And also what about 11900k max safe long term voltage.

[ashen spindle]

make sure it runs before you care about OC

[shadow minnow]

I actually think there is a high chance of it not working again

[reef patrol]

Don't fuck with your hardware, if you can't afford to replace it Inna heart beat

[ashen spindle]

well, breaking the hardware means you can now go buy good skus instead

[vagrant pagoda]

What speeds are you looking for?

[shadow minnow]

As fast as I can get it to, but so it still runs safe, and can last a few years.

[vagrant pagoda]

Then stock voltages

[astral haven]

Sa 1.2 max io 1.25 max

[astral haven]

NO

Stock voltages are noooot safe

[vagrant pagoda]

Wut

[shadow minnow]

Thanks

[astral haven]

Most motherboards will set 1.3 to 1.5v on bdie for io and sa

[shadow minnow]

Auto voltages behave not well when ram OC

[astral haven]

Start at 1.1 btw

[vagrant pagoda]

I didn't say auto oc

I said stock

[shadow minnow]

I guess that with cpu voltage I will hit temp limit first. But since 11900k is not that hard to cool even with lot of heat, what voltage should I not go above with CPU?

[vagrant pagoda]

Also pretty sure it's the opposite

Only Intel board I have is a tachi

And it has a b die profile

It's like 1.4v dram and sa/io are like 1v

[shadow minnow]

Last thing, any way to OC iGPU?

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/1mePqhd54to

[ashen spindle]

seriously, get it stable first before you want to OC a system without dGPU

[shadow minnow]

If it works in the first place

[ashen spindle]

on your above 1080p screen your ram really won't make a difference if you run iGPU

and even with a dGPU using xmp is more than enough on 4k

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, 4K…

[reef tundra]

Ram is slow enchance cache

[shadow minnow]

That’s why I want to at least OC the iGPU

[ashen spindle]

you wont see a difference between 10 and 10.01fps

[shadow minnow]

I mean, if I manage to OC iGPU I may get at least bit more fps. Even though I will most likely have to limit most games to 720-1080p. But any way to do that?

[ashen spindle]

probably SoC settings or igpu section in the intel XTU

still won't make a difference though

[shadow minnow]

[astral haven]

Alot of games can double fps from speedy ram on igpu
And 25 fps is almost playable unlike 12

[ashen spindle]

yea

on 1080p maybe, not his 4k monitor

[crisp granite]

wait...ikaS haraS

don't even try to use an iGPU at 4k

it won't end well

1080p is pretty much hit and miss with iGPUs already

[ashen spindle]

csgo and such aside at least year

[astral haven]

Io and sa don't affect temps

[astral haven]

Intel has integer scaling

[ashen spindle]

I know, it's still an upscaled mess at 30fps max

yeye it works and it' s better than decade old stuf blah blah, doesn't make the setup any less ridiculous

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ just don't max settings

You'd be surprised how well games run on xe

Even 10th gen was very often quite playable and 11th gen is twice as fast and then ram improvements

[crimson wigeon]

but if you're not running 4k 240fps ultra everything what's even the point?!

[ashen spindle]

look man if a setup has more expensive ram than my cpu and ram combined and runs a watercooled iGPU for 4k I'll make fun of the setup 😛

yes it works and is usable, still hilarious

[crisp granite]

this is like the polar opposite of those extreme CPU bottleneck builds

instead of having a super weak CPU getting overloaded by the top tier GPU at the current moment, you've got a balls to the wall, enthusiast CPU...

running off of it's iGPU

makes sense given the current market, but otherwise, pretty much only for the lols

[crimson wigeon]

You bought the CPU you're gonna use the whole CPU

[astral haven]

In this market what do you want...

[ashen spindle]

I mean, I could make a pc with scalped gpu price for the same than his mobo/ram/cpu combo and it'd be decent

so at that point I don't think using the 11900k's igpu for a 4k120hz is a "solid option"

[astral haven]

Ah but fuck scalpers

And it can handle windows desktop and YouTube at that resolution

[ashen spindle]

I mean with retail "scalped" prices not ebay scalpers

and idk about you but I don't think a >2grand pc (without gpu) is a good deal for a youtube machine

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ I spent 14 grand on mine with a gpu

And for windows desktop use his system is faster sometimes

[ashen spindle]

kinda doubt you get to that price without like a quadro or other workstation related things

[astral haven]

Lotta storage

[ashen spindle]

ok, so not primarily gaming focused

[crisp granite]

SLI 3090s, tens of terrabytes of really high end SSD storage, threadripper, etc.

very possible

very impractical

[astral haven]

Nah 1 3090

And I do nothing but watch YouTube videos on it these days

5950x

[crisp granite]

it's your money, spend it how you want

but that does make me cringe considering just how good that would be for gaming

[ashen spindle]

but an overpriced system for what it is, isn't suddenly a better value just because someone else has an even more ludicrous setup

[astral haven]

Also tbf I'm including monitors and vr

And since I do use VR that does reduce the waste a bit lmao

[astral haven]

Like I intended to not just use it for YouTube videos
But fuck am I tired after work these days

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, I am talking about CPU voltage here, not lo or sa.

[shadow minnow]

Well, atm it does not even work. Really hope the parts are replaced and it will work tomorrow though But it may not

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shadow minnow]

If you don’t want to do anything that requires performance not really

[crisp granite]

it's that hardware is scarcer, but jackasses are scooping up what is there, scalping or mining on more than what is reasonable

[shadow minnow]

For 1000€ for example you can get a really good laptop, and even play more basic games on it (actually getting more fps than me since I have no dGPU )

[crisp granite]

if miners, scalpers, and all that fucked off

we'd still have shortages

but it wouldn't be this bad

[shadow minnow]

Now some things are even getting in stock

Even if scalpers did not exist

Atm the biggest issue imo is raised MSRPs

[crisp granite]

that's because of shortages

and scalping

the stores know the GPUs will sell regardless of price

so why not raise the price a few hundred?

[shadow minnow]

Well they don’t sell as much instantly. Sometimes lasting for weeks now. So hopefully the prices are slowly gonna return to normal

If not

Well I have an iGPU

[crisp granite]

I mean a few hundred euros or so

not more than double the MSRP

I don't even think that would be very appealing to a miner

[shadow minnow]

Hmm, makes me wonder, how much would an iGPU make a week by mining. No LHR, definitely worth it

[astral haven]

Basically nothing since the memory is so slow

CPU mining is almost profitable
And 11th gen is the least unprofitable iirc besides epyc

[shadow minnow]

So CPU got replaced. And I have got again the same mobo back saying it’s “repaired” without any further details…

Really hope CPU was faulty

[young pecan]

Repaired meaning they looked at it, did nothing, and proceeded to give it back.

[shadow minnow]

PogChamp

It was CPU

Idk how 11900k died day one

But now postcode works

Time to reassemble everything

And drain water from the loop and lot of stuff Pog

[young pecan]

That's just Intel telling you that they're fucked and to go AMD. 👌

[shadow minnow]

Would have to refund me for that

[young pecan]

'Course man. We only want the very cheapest and most powerful.

[chrome estuary]

Aeon. I got those headphones in finally.

[young pecan]

Oh?

Do they actually stack up to what Audeze can bring to the table?

Literally all of my sources say no, but that'd be all of my sources with shitloads of overexpensive audio shit. So idk about that, tbh.

[chrome estuary]

They're great as far as I can tell. Mind you right now it's just the USB apple dongle that everyone seems to like.

Also nfc. Never tried Audeze.

I've heard it makes a good competitor but a lot of people try shitting on the headphones cause the dude who makes them is an asshole

It's a little more bassy is all I've heard

[young pecan]

Tbh he's kinda horrible.

Banned from basically everywhere good.

[chrome estuary]

Yeah

But still Jeff Bezos is horrible and people still use Amazon

[young pecan]

Bezos doesn't threaten to mail people anthrax. raised eyebrow

[chrome estuary]

At least he's smart enough not to say it publically

[young pecan]

-_-

I'm 900% sure Bezos isn't mailing people anthrax.

[chrome estuary]

I'm pretty sure Igor isn't either.

Yeah he's an asshole, lots of people are. Some are just... A little too loose tongued

[young pecan]

shrugs I'd rather not give money to someone actively making threats like that.

Especially when Audeze exists.

[neat oriole]

Hifiman Sundara basically better but less scummy company

It’s also a false equivalence to compare a one man operation to a trillion dollar conglomerate

[old marlin]

should I get sundaras

[neat oriole]

If you want a budget planar sure

But I think planars are still fundamentally compromised until you spend 1k+

[young pecan]

This.

3k+ is when Planars become great.

I'd say 1k+ is when Dynamics become great.

Though that's ignoring the outright great deals like the 6XX.

The average is what I'm talking about.

[neat oriole]

Dynamics are great at $200

You don’t need to spend 3k on planars

An LCD X with some EQ is excessive for like 99% of the population

[reef tundra]

1 % of 8 billion is a lot of people

[young pecan]

I mean in AUD, friend.

Dynamics kinda suck here until you get a 6XX at almost $400.

[neat oriole]

Well that’s an Aussie problem

[young pecan]

And even then the 6XX is an outlier if anything.

Typically the cost is near 550 or so for something beginner that isnt a 6XX.

[neat oriole]

The joys of living on a remote island

[young pecan]

:(

[old marlin]

I want something for rap that is a bit more punchy than my HD6XX, I have been waiting for replacement earpads for the HE400i for over a month now

at this point I just don't care anymore

[neat oriole]

EMU Teak get it

You’ll get all the punch you want

[old marlin]

I mean

I come from an HD6XX

I don't need giga punch

• getting them is a pain

[neat oriole]

To be fair 6XX is relatively “punchy” it just has bass roll off. It’s more punchy than a sundara TBH but Sundara has better bass extension. The EMU-Teak is absolutely worth it tho.

Or if you can find like a used Fostex TRX00/THX00

[old marlin]

none atm

goes right from cheap TH ones to a single TH610 for 638€ to TH900 for 749€ and up

[old marlin]

sadly nothing new

well

the idea is nothing new at least

Z590 is something new in that formfactor

[neat oriole]

Honestly give the creative Aurvana live a go

[old marlin]

ehhhhhhhh

[neat oriole]

It’s not the most detailed thing but it’s got slam

[old marlin]

looks giga cheap

like I said

doesn't have to be giga punch

[neat oriole]

It’s a really fun one tho

Cheap != bad

[old marlin]

just want something decent for 150-400

[old marlin]

yea obv

[neat oriole]

KSC75 is sex but only $20

[old marlin]

but they looks like the earpads will fall apart after a few months

and looks uncomfortable as hell

[old marlin]

not here

[neat oriole]

They are on ear unfortunately

Idk how much the CAL! is in EU atm but you’re basically paying for the drivers

[old marlin]

basically only used market from what I can tell

wait nvm

70€

but atm I would rather pay more and get something decent

instead of skimping out

and then not being entirely happy with them

[neat oriole]

Could get a focal elex but EU rip

Just give the CAL! a go, they’re a fun headphone

[old marlin]

I don't wanna start collecting headphones as well

[shadow minnow]

Second test based, booted into windows. Time to drain watercooling loop.

[old marlin]

bought a teak

paid 390 including shipping and paypal fees

[ashen spindle]

reaaaally thinking about selling some lmao

[reef tundra]

Sell a portion and reinvest in other stocks

[ashen spindle]

that would require me to understand stock market

[reef tundra]

Yes. Need to do a little gambling

[shadow minnow]

Or just keep the money and don’t risk

[crimson wigeon]

ask wallstreetbets

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-absolutely-fucking-not-gif-4496112

[young pecan]

Tbh, Etherium is in a pretty good spot for investing atm. Has been for a month.

EIP1559 drops in a day, could be the start of a real bull.

[reef tundra]

no

[young pecan]

You know it is. :P

Cleary the start of interesting change, and 1559 could very easily mean deflationary currency.

If that happens we’ll defo see some bull activity on the market for the next quarter.

[pale sigil]

Lies

It seems cals got discontinued

[ashen spindle]

omg it's just a fan render/mod but I found the first gpu sku I want for visuals

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-developing-geforce-rtx-3070-with-noctua-cooling-solution

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-have-mercy-lord-have-mercy-im-bout-to-bust-im-bout-to-bust-bust-a-nut-nut-gif-19236822

[crimson wigeon]

Yes please

That actually looks great ngl

[pale sigil]

Ye

That looks pretty cool

[old marlin]

fan render

luckily

would be a heat trap

[crimson wigeon]

Oh right, so
looks pretty hot then

[crisp granite]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dog-weird-funny-dog-intensifies-gif-15547612

I want that

[shadow minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/marx-marxism-communism-intesifies-funny-gif-16697750

[crisp granite]

https://mobile.twitter.com/3dfxofficial/status/1422814559870455809

3dfx Interactive (@3dfxofficial)

Statement on the return of 3dfx.

Retweets

238

Likes

746

Twitter · Aug 4, 2021, 7:00 AM

I don't know if this was already posted

but here

[reef tundra]

3 is greater than 2

[crimson wigeon]

Ah shit

it's the return of the GLIDE API!

[ashen spindle]

yeye it's a very well done troll account

3dfx got bought by nvidia(mr jensen ) and this is supposedly a jansen product company that doesnt exist anywhere 😛

[crisp granite]

[young pecan]

Omfg yes.

[crimson wigeon]

So just Nvidia cards then

RTX Voodoo

[young pecan]

All of the yes.

[crisp granite]

welp, I seriously doubt NVidia would ever sell off a potential competitor, but would be great to have a 3dfx branded line of cards, even a potential low end GPU competitor

[young pecan]

Noctua graphics card?

[ashen spindle]

95% troll 4% nvidia sub division 1% serious is my guess

[crisp granite]

indeed

[young pecan]

Fuck, man.

[crisp granite]

would be stellar for ITX builds if cooling is up to snuff

[ashen spindle]

the reasons it's possible is because the trademark expired, nvidia doesnt own it anymore technically

[young pecan]

Just colour my entire life brown and beige.

I no longer care.

[dry tendon]

If only more games scaled with cores like this

[ashen spindle]

meh, wake me up when we see scaling at actual resolutions that people use

[dry tendon]

XD

@ashen spindle Wake up

At 4K

[ashen spindle]

ohh it's total war, I only looked at the resolution haha

ok yea I guess that makes sense then

[dry tendon]

Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition hitting saturation on 16/32

Physics on CPU in train scene (atmospheric smoke/fog)
Now, I always wondered why my FPS was worse here on lower core count CPUs

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLgXeIaK0U0

excellent example on how you can completely lock yourself in on one way to improve something and try to be the absolute best but then completely disregard others

they ONLY went for accuracy, which they ruined with a print essentially and then COMPLETELY disregarded friction as well as the type, density and stiffness of the bottom layer used

[reef patrol]

I love the design, I hate the logo.

[shadow minnow]

11900 k where?

Tbh this kinda sucks since last game I have played is tw, but don’t think that will matter with iGPU

[dry tendon]

this is with DECADENT settings for the CPU

dont worry

[shadow minnow]

Nope it’s from battle with all units that could have gotten there

Tbh it’s strange

Since my MacBook Pro 2017 could run Rome 2 at 1080p almost max settings with no issues

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/vj6wQrzApuI

[ashen spindle]

I mena, rome 2 aint troy

so how well a different game ran on it doesn't show anything

[shadow minnow]

My temps in bios

[astral haven]

What's your ambient, 30?

[neat oriole]

Nice, that’s cheaper than I expected

[fickle ore]

preliminary 900p benches 😛

still lacking a bit perf.. odd

[ashen spindle]

throw some dice at it

[fickle ore]

wot

[ashen spindle]

dry ice

for cooling and then overclocking

[fickle ore]

some chinese dude had stolen the Star Citizen promo inside

fuuu

Somehow didn't get caught by customs either Oo or maybe it comes later these days

[shadow minnow]

Past boot screen windows almost always feels to load, sometimes also bios. Idk why.

Seems like one of bioses is broken.

[ashen spindle]

..feels?

[empty wren]

Maybe meant fails ¯_༼ᴼل͜ᴼ༽_/¯

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-feel-i-know-that-feel-feel-with-it-hugs-gif-5686290

[shadow minnow]

Smh why

Also sometimes when it works windows days it didn’t load correctly

[empty wren]

Hmm

Did you not get a new motherboard?

[shadow minnow]

Only CPU

[empty wren]

Uh so you have no motherboard?

[shadow minnow]

I have got the same one back

[empty wren]

Great.....

[shadow minnow]

It works

[reef tundra]

so fuck all was done

[shadow minnow]

But something is going on

Seems like CPU was faulty since it getting replaced fixed issues

But still can’t boot most of the time

[ashen spindle]

well no reason to send a new board if the fault seemed to be from the cpu

[shadow minnow]

If I am lucky I get into bios.

[reef tundra]

Just tell them its still broken and better come pick it up again

[shadow minnow]

No way, not gonna wait another 40 days

Also will be in UK by the time I would get replacement

[empty wren]

Are any of the pins bent?

[ashen spindle]

refund and buy good hardware instead

[empty wren]

Damn rekt

[shadow minnow]

Nope AFAIK

At least last time Ichecked

[reef tundra]

Intel? some off brand probably. Get a proper brand like AMD

[ashen spindle]

yeah get some real name brand

like IBM

[empty wren]

:S pretty sure that is enterprise these days

[reef tundra]

maybe a powerpc

[astral haven]

Nah that's optane
13 us
2.4GB/s

[shadow minnow]

What is CPU VCCIO2?

[ashen spindle]

one of the terrible names that gigabyte puts in the bios

[shadow minnow]

Well I know that

But what exactly

[reef tundra]

Central Processing Unit Voltage at Common Collector Input Output 2?

[empty wren]

Impressive

And you kept that on your head the whole time?

[reef tundra]

Nah, just read that message

[empty wren]

Let me rephrase this, did you instantly connect with the acronym?

[reef tundra]

not instantly but quickly. Assuming they would use standard terminology in electronic diagrams.

[astral haven]

One of the voltages is just imc the other one is imc+ring
Head over to the overclocking discord and ask in cpu-overclocking

[daring gyro]

Is wooting a virus

im scared

[empty wren]

No

[daring gyro]

of installing it

[empty wren]

It is just a small company

[daring gyro]

100% i just have trusting issues

[empty wren]

And when enough people install the software it will be by the people deemed safe

And Microsoft defender will not tick off

[crisp granite]

wooting is a company

[daring gyro]

How many cpu and ram does it use?

[crisp granite]

that makes keyboards

[empty wren]

In fact it is open course pretty sure

[crisp granite]

wtf are you on about?

[ashen spindle]

double movement app needs about no resources and #archived_fortnite_double_movement is the channel for questions about it

[daring gyro]

oh ok sorry

waaittt

[ashen spindle]

@shadow minnow found your gpu you are missing

[crisp granite]

that is so fucking cursed

I kinda like it for that alone

[reef tundra]

How would a company be a virus in the first place.

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

maybe it's a term used by left wing agitators to describe companies and individuals who pay comparatively little in the way of taxes?

[reef tundra]

No we call that facebook, google and the like

[crisp granite]

[empty wren]

There is place in California called corona could be the virus origin ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crisp granite]

doesn't really matter, they're american companies

no one cares about that shithole

[ashen spindle]

I mean idk what he was looking for with the mindset, but hey, at 12 or w/e the age was, most are overstupid and not overthinking

[empty wren]

Yeah a little to all over the place

[crisp granite]

there was a study somewhere that showed a decent chunk of america actually thought corona extra, a mexican import beer, causes corona

[empty wren]

XD

[crisp granite]

some people out there are really fucking stupid

[empty wren]

I remember that

[reef tundra]

Use an abstract legal structure to inject itself which is abstract.. we are treading dangerous idea there

[crisp granite]

hm

actually

nvm

[empty wren]

Kinda abstract dontcha think to be so abstract

[crisp granite]

yeppers

anyway, that hurt my brain

what were we talking aboot?

[empty wren]

About corona corona la arona

[crisp granite]

mmm

corona extra

I'm vaccinated so I'm pretty much immune to whatever corona extra does to a person

minus the pissing blood thing

[empty wren]

XD

[crisp granite]

it really is a shitty beer imo

[empty wren]

It is marketed so much

[ashen spindle]

keep the lockdown till end of next year so I can rejoin live once RDNA3 appears

[reef tundra]

But in ends up with an concrete instance of the virus which is draws from an abstract and affect an abstract idea with the concrete instance. So much room to create thought loops and undefined behaviour

[empty wren]

That behavior must become abstract then

In an abstract world

That is abstract beyond reason

Every abstract abstract is abracting abstarctingly into abstract

[reef tundra]

I have no idea how it even come up with the initial idea. I don't understand why it decided it to interpreted it to end up with that. I cant rationalise my conclusion. Brain stuck, pls fix

[crisp granite]

https://tenor.com/view/no-brain-loading-slow-gif-16361840

[reef tundra]

Im literately blanking out, cool. Anyway.

[ashen spindle]

dont overload it and go into reboot

[reef tundra]

Stack overflow error (core dumped)

Hardware reset interrupt triggered

https://tenor.com/view/hey-tom-hanks-forrest-gump-gif-5114770

[crisp granite]

welp

now what?

[ashen spindle]

oh nice, less than 3 weeks till hotchips

[crisp granite]

vvat is that?

[ashen spindle]

alder lake and zen3d presentations

[crisp granite]

oh

very pog

[ashen spindle]

hotchips is the conference for all semiconducting things

[crisp granite]

yeppers, I figured as much

what about the new intel mushyheaded naming conventions?

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16688/hot-chips-33-2021-schedule-announced-alder-lake-ibm-z-sapphire-rapids-ponte-vecchio

[reef tundra]

Who doesnt want their chips to be hot 🤤

[ashen spindle]

idk, intels naming is fine, just dont like them acting they drop nm then add a new unity afterwards..

but at least it's more or less the same for foundries now

easier to compare

[shadow minnow]

Wish startup repair worked. But no, windows says no

[crisp granite]

I think what they did was all well and good

just the way they went about it made it look really bad

[astral haven]

The a signifies gaafets so that's neat at least

[ashen spindle]

you think so?

wut

the a is angstrom...

[astral haven]

Yes but the a nodes are all gonna be nanosheet gaafets

[crisp granite]

smaller units, something something running out of integers on current unit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[ashen spindle]

yeah but then use different naming at least xD

call it 20X or w/e

[astral haven]

They did

Intel 20a

[crisp granite]

better than 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

or whatever freaking iteration of 14nm they're on rn

[ashen spindle]

no I mean different as in don't use units that dont mean anything anymore

[reef tundra]

What about ++14nm?

[crisp granite]

but...quin

[ashen spindle]

also tbf I prefer the plus over the internal node name

[crisp granite]

arbitrary units that mean fuck all are fun to watch

just look at the americans

[reef tundra]

new ton meter

[crisp granite]

with their "inches" and "yards"

[ashen spindle]

14nm++ is better than P1272.2

[crisp granite]

easier to understand from a consumer point of view

but mere years ago, the only thing that mattered was that it was the latest i7 model

how times change

[ashen spindle]

that is the internal name for 14nm++ btw

10nm is P1274

[reef tundra]

54b469n17d then

[crisp granite]

because every consumer would understand exactly what that means

/s

actually though, I know people who struggle with the whole core/thread thing

[ashen spindle]

tbh I think the best would've just been to name it after the year

[crisp granite]

indeed

higher year=newer fab, smaller node...hopefully?

[reef tundra]

Just tell them to git gud and dab on the haterz

[ashen spindle]

I just really dont get the point of "units dont show anything so we remove then but later use them again when they still say nothing"

[reef tundra]

Would be nice if companies dont break their own rule for some abstract reason if they go with some numbering scheme

[crisp granite]

Quin

it's not supposed to make sense

it's there to look good

[ashen spindle]

but Pat was supposed to be the chosen one

[crisp granite]

"Chosen One" my ass, buddy

no such thing

[ashen spindle]

to bring balance to the semi industry and marketing not join them

[crisp granite]

only disappointment

[ashen spindle]

it's still 2 steps ahead and 1 back so an overall better result

[reef tundra]

Impossible, young pedawan. Many have tried before you. All have failed or died balancing the force.

[crisp granite]

you know what else is?

a coat hanger abortion

it's an improvement

[shadow minnow]

TBH nm are already only being missussed by well, everyone, and don’t actually have a meaning anymore.

[crisp granite]

but at what cost?

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-gamora-what-did-it-cost-gif-14001403

[crisp granite]

intel lost a shitload of face, got a lot of flak, and were hypocrites of their own damn claims

besides, it ain't gonna become the standard, every other fab will keep using nm till we need something smaller

[reef tundra]

No you just misread they claims they retroactively edited

[crisp granite]

but...to most of the consumers...it looks a bit better...after the fallout?

[shadow minnow]

I mean, it makes sense for like next two nodes. Since 10nm superfin is kinda better than 7nm. But also the intel ads lately are just a joke.

[reef tundra]

Always blame the consumer

[crisp granite]

at a glance, "intel 7" looks a lot better than 10nm

[ashen spindle]

well they did put out a roadmap so time to treat them like AMD during bulldozer

[crisp granite]

of course, it's a load of shit and basically is the same thing

[ashen spindle]

wait if they execute and judge based on that

[crisp granite]

how fitting

considering I'm getting serious FX vibes from them

[ashen spindle]

heat certainly matches up

and funnily enough alder lake would be the first one coming on that roadmap and it has many cores

[reef tundra]

Also the hertz to show for it

[crisp granite]

I mean...if alder lake isn't shit and reasonably priced, primarily for motherboards, which is my sticking point atm that really prevents me from buying intel, I'd probably get an i7 for myself

[ashen spindle]

ehhh

ddr5 costs

[crisp granite]

that as well

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-sygourney-weaver-i-say-we-take-off-and-nuke-the-entire-site-from-orbit-its-the-only-way-to-be-sure-movie-quotes-gif-11314084

[ashen spindle]

while zen3d should probably still run on AM4

[crisp granite]

if that costs an arm and a leg, I'll stick to tuning my infinity fabric on DDR4

[ashen spindle]

no arm is what nvidia wants to buy

[crisp granite]

ffs

you know that expression

[empty wren]

Is there any tangible consumer benefits to ddr5?

[ashen spindle]

higher speeds

higher cpacity

[empty wren]

Guess then it will just depend on applications and their desires

[reef tundra]

Emptier wallet

[empty wren]

nice the best part

[reef tundra]

I know right, having to carry all that weight

[empty wren]

MVP of the year

wallet

[astral haven]

Expect 20-30% performance improvement from jdec 3200 to jdec 6400 in games

[empty wren]

Well alright

Not sure what means, will have to look it up

[astral haven]

Basically stock vs stock on ddr4 vs ddr5

[empty wren]

Ah

Alright

[astral haven]

On alderlake since that's the only crossgen cpus

[empty wren]

https://store.google.com/magazine/google_pixel_6

[astral haven]

Big hype
Hopefully they won't implement the photo processing only in hardware so that I can still get gcam

[empty wren]

quick everyone check if you have this

[crisp granite]

nope

sadly

[shadow minnow]

So I can boot into windows while monitor is off but not while it’s on?? And also tried this on another monitor, same result.

[astral haven]

thats really strange

[shadow minnow]

Makes me wonder if cable may be faulty

Highest safe voltage for intel iGPU?

Manually setting clock to 1600mhz without changing voltage caused crash. However could get to 1500

[astral haven]

igpu is same as sa and io iirc?

[shadow minnow]

IO 1 or 2? Also don’t think it’s the same since I can set processor graphics voltage in intel extreme tuning utility

Anyone has any idea how to OC an iGPU?

[astral haven]

No no it has its own voltage but the safe voltages are in the same range as vccio and sa

[misty saffron]

indeed

[astral haven]

pci

[misty saffron]

nah, agp

[crimson wigeon]

Nah, VLB

[old marlin]

Nah just regular ISA without VLB

[halcyon moss]

whaaaat the fuck is that?

[old marlin]

the long bois are ISA

the 2 smaller brown ones behind them are VLB

[halcyon moss]

i dont miss those days

[old marlin]

they act as an expansion on them to broaden the bus and also get priority queues

[old marlin]

I wish I could miss those days

sadly ISA is still not out of the industry entirely

edge cases for me luckily

[halcyon moss]

im not sure if ive ever used isa though..

pci before agp absolutely..

[old marlin]

I am unsure if I ever used a PCI GPU

[halcyon moss]

hmm isa.. 80286, maybe ive touched my dads pc.. but thats a bit before my time :p

[reef patrol]

I feel so old knowing what both ISA and VLB are.

[halcyon moss]

oh yeah i've def used a Matrox Millennium

[misty saffron]

you are old mansen

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

They really are baiting

[ashen spindle]

no shit

CEC 2022

its CES

[pale sigil]

[reef patrol]

[halcyon moss]

whats that? from the press?

[old marlin]

new sli setup

[halcyon moss]

ah i thought it was a stab at the old style sli with connecting a vga cable to the next gpu

[shadow minnow]

Why do steam downloads stop when windows pc automatically goes to sleep smh

[reef patrol]

The opposite is a better question tbh

[crimson wigeon]

Because Volvo didn't make steam hold a wakelock while downloading... Or did they

[old marlin]

it is, but what you mean is 3dfx, not nvidia

[reef patrol]

Well to be fair nVidia bought up 3dfx.

So...technically correct :3

[shadow minnow]

Did wallpaper engine wallpaper at 144hz make my pc start lagging even while playing YouTube content

[shadow minnow]

Is not. Was nice when everything got downloaded while pc was sleeping on macOS. Now I have to disable sleeping

[ashen spindle]

if something is downloading it can't be in an actual sleep mode

[crimson wigeon]

Eh sleeping is overrated just have the displays turn off when inactive ez

[shadow minnow]

So, anyone knows safe voltages for iGPU OC?

[ashen spindle]

yeah, stock

[pale sigil]

You got into windows?

[shadow minnow]

Yes, can get there when my monitor is off, tried with more monitors too, same result

[pale sigil]

You are cursed

[shadow minnow]

Indeed

[ashen spindle]

hmm and the cable is in the mobo since its a iGPU

[reef patrol]

If your OS is downloading things, it is NOT in sleep mode.

[ashen spindle]

so probably boards fault and will work fine with dGPU

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, want to try to change cable as soon as I can

[ashen spindle]

no I mean it's not the cable

[shadow minnow]

Well somehow it stopped downloading

[shadow minnow]

Still want to try that. Don’t want to have to RMA the board.

[ashen spindle]

what mansen said is that if MacOS downloads things in sleep mode, it's not actually in sleep mode

I mean get a gpu, no point to RMA or not RMA a board for the iGPU output

[shadow minnow]

Safe core voltage for 11900K?

Why is core voltage refusing my settings. Limited it to 1.35 and it goes to 1.4 on static mode.

[reef patrol]

You really don't want a functioning PC do you xD

[shadow minnow]

Just want to know safe voltages to not go over. Any advice? But not a fan of PC hitting 70C at 5200mhz all core

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-dancing-happy-fun-celebrating-gif-16728482

[shadow minnow]

Why am I getting so low cinebecnh results too. But please, what voltage to not go above for daily use?

[ashen spindle]

daily use means stock until you get your gpu

[vital osprey]

why not just leave it as it is

[ashen spindle]

because you currently share resource between cpu and iGPU

[shadow minnow]

Apart from that? Just want to know what should be safe. Let’s say if I had a dGPU. Just want to test OC rn and don’t want to break anything.

[ashen spindle]

but you can't test OC rn bc nobody who actually looks at these values does so while running igpu..

[shadow minnow]

Still what’s the safe voltage.

[young pecan]

Lads!

https://etherscan.io/block/countdown/12965000

Half an hour until EIP1559!

[shadow minnow]

Smh just want to know one thing. May not make sense to OC but still would be useful to know what voltage not to go above

[young pecan]

The fuckin’ hype is actually real.

[young pecan]

Nobody OCs an iGPU because that’s ridiculous.

That’s why you can’t find the info. 0 people have ever needed to.

[shadow minnow]

I am asking about core voltage. Also have iGPU bit OCed
But I am asking about vcore.

[young pecan]

Core voltage on your gen is usually something like 1.3 to 1.4 volts at very most.

Often enough you see 1.32 volts vcore and that’ll push as far as you want.

[shadow minnow]

Atm running 5200mhz all core at 1.4
Didn’t try if I can get lower yet though. But cinebench all core could spike at 73C. Also voltage sometimes spikes to 1.46 even in static mode.

[young pecan]

shrugs Is the CPU dying?

[shadow minnow]

Why would it be

[young pecan]

Exactly.

Looks fine, tbh.

Any further improvement will only give you very marginal improvements to synthetic.

I’d just stay where you are and call it a day.

[shadow minnow]

But my conebench all core score was low. Maybe since I am using iGPU the issue is that I have wallpaper engine on. Sounds like a joke, but even YouTube got buggy with wallpaper engine at 4K 144 HDR

[shadow minnow]

Tbh I am gonna try 5300mhz at same voltage but that will most likely be all. Wish I knew about iGPU OC but seems like I can’t find info. Can run it at 1500mhz instead of 1300 however without changing anything else, so why not.

[young pecan]

shrugs

When’re you gonna get a GPU?

Not like you can’t get a waterblock whenever.

[shadow minnow]

When I can get new 3080 ti close to MSRP most likely.

[young pecan]

Should try locating a second hand 3090.

There’s been some dump of those recently.

And the miners aren’t picking em up.

Bad ROI from 3090s.

And since you’re watercooling it’s a GPU that you can actually run.

[shadow minnow]

Can’t do 5300 MHz at 1.4v ;-;

Adaptive voltage can go to crazy values

1.475 does not crash instantly. Guru 3d got to 1.535, makes me wonder if I can do 1.5V with no crash or not. Definitely won’t try anything further though.

Can’t ;-; I guess I will have to settle for 5200mhz all core

Yeah not gonna try 5300 MHz. Can get 5200 at lot lower voltages. Gonna push 5200 as low as I can and stay there I guess.

Why is adaptive voltage so high. Sometimes it wants to go to 1.6v, always gotta disable it asap

[halcyon moss]

well it has a 3dfx logo on one of the monitors

[halcyon moss]

don't run wallpaperengine?

[ashen spindle]

you essentially don't have a gpu, so anything that does graphics stuff is taxing the cpu power limit

[fair gull]

shhhh

he has a iGPU

[crisp granite]

close enough

bexin

try running minecraft at 4k

should run great!

[ashen spindle]

nah, use the cpu-only build of crysis

[halcyon moss]

is this the new crysis?

[ashen spindle]

think its the first one

on cpu-only

[halcyon moss]

oof

[fair gull]

please tell me the number isnt fps

but some weird metric

from 0-10

[ashen spindle]

a 3990x gets 17fps

[fair gull]

oh wait

[halcyon moss]

thats a lot higher

[fair gull]

the graphic says fps

fuck

[ashen spindle]

it's oc'd to 4ghz all 64 cores to get 17fps average

[halcyon moss]

those are software raytracing fps :p

[ashen spindle]

what do you expect when you basically break down directX calls that are super wide vector calls to default x86 instructions

[fair gull]

peak performance

even an asian could do those calcs faster

like i once saw this dude

bruteforcing a password from a hash in real time

in his head

[shadow minnow]

So much fun when my pc only boots with safe boot and monitor off

Luckily there is safe boot button

[ashen spindle]

get a gpu finally and if it is the igpu port, it wont be an issue

[shadow minnow]

Can’t enable XMP because I can’t boot with bios not default

[ashen spindle]

did you ever do a hard reset...

[shadow minnow]

Don’t remember, how to do it?

[ashen spindle]

shutdown system, unplug, hold power button to remove remaining electricity, unplug cmos battery for 5 minutes

[shadow minnow]

So I have tested second monitor again… and the issue was eve spectrum.

[shadow minnow]

What frequencies and voltages are you all daily driving your PCs?

[ashen spindle]

stock bc auto "OC" aka boost on amd is better than static oc

I'd try undervolting if I had a different cpu, but the 5600x isn't even reaching 100W under max load

[shadow minnow]

Why does intel XTU report crazy voltages like 1.6v while aorus system information viewer shows, as it should be, 1.37 V

How is it with VCCIO 1 and 2, what voltage is max safe to which?

[ashen spindle]

sounds like loadlines

[shadow minnow]

Any idea why does hwinfo and XTU show extremely different numbers from what I have set and what aorus monitoring stuff does? Like, it shows CPU going to 1.7v, which I definitely don’t want to happen. Also how to fix?

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUaP0r5-xhY

[shadow minnow]

Well, main things is, are these values safe?

[ashen spindle]

idk I never used xtu or an 11thgen

[shadow minnow]

What about hwinfo

[ashen spindle]

look if you want to play with OC you really need to make sure you understand what those things mean and not punch in numbers you findon the internet

or you'll need another cpu soon

and the video explains the why it happens

[shadow minnow]

Sure, but question is, is it safe since it happens? Pretty sure I was able to change this behavior in XTU but idk if I can in bios. Also, I think I saw that video once.

[ashen spindle]

idk I have no clue what you set, what the bios values are etc.

[shadow minnow]

I think I may have found what’s the issue

Hopefully

[shadow minnow]

Safe boot is great

Changing LLC does not help

The voltages just go crazy

Ima just safe boot into bios and stay there till I figure this out.

[reef tundra]

Lower voltage is better. stop trying to kill your poor transistors

[astral haven]

If you set voltages in bios, the voltage will be under vcore in hwinfo64
If you set it in xtu, xtu is correct

[shadow minnow]

I uninstall program in windows, try to install it back, but can’t because it’s already there. Still see it in apps g features but can’t uninstall it from there because of error?

[shadow minnow]

Thing is, hwinfo show different values than what is set in bios.

[astral haven]

Yes

[shadow minnow]

Very different

[astral haven]

Screenshot it

Yes
Welcome to modern voltage control

[shadow minnow]

1.375 vs 1.7

[astral haven]

screenshot

[shadow minnow]

Don’t have discord on pc

[astral haven]

I'll tell you if that's the correct value

Ok so picture of screen

It's not easy to figure out what numbers are correct

[shadow minnow]

Don’t wanna risk it, 1.7 is too high. XTU didn’t have this issue with voltage set to static.

[astral haven]

Yes it did

[shadow minnow]

Nope

Sure it was not completely the same

But it didn’t go up more than 1.43

[astral haven]

You need to set voltages properly, otherwise the reported numbers will be incorrect

Xtu doesn't set them properly

[shadow minnow]

So how to set them?

[astral haven]

You only want to use xtu to decrease voltages from stock

Depends on your mother oard

Ask in the CPU overclocking channel for your specific board

In the overclocking discord

But manual vcore set to 1.375 with loadline set to 3rd from the lowest setting would work

[shadow minnow]

I did set it manually in BIOS

[astral haven]

No

There's a bunch of different modes

It has to say "manual"

Not override or static

[shadow minnow]

There is no manual, but there is also fixed. And it didn’t work.

[astral haven]

Manual exists you just have to find it

Dude

I'm alot more experienced than you

[shadow minnow]

May be one issue with XTU, however uninstalled it and because of this great OS can reinstall it neither uninstall what’s not allowing me reinstall.

[astral haven]

You need to listen

[shadow minnow]

Each bios is different. There is one window with three settings. Fixed adaptive and override, that’s all. Idk if it’s somewhere else

But also may not work if I don’t manage to uninstall one thing with intel XTU

and I just can’t

[astral haven]

If xtu can change the voltages, something is wrong

[shadow minnow]

Why? XTU has voltage in settings

And I think the XTU profile may not be properly uninstalled. Which could cause it. Issue is, I can’t reinstall XTU to check it.

[astral haven]

I'm telling you information fam

I don't have time to explain how vid works

[shadow minnow]

Someone else literally said it can be caused by XTU. And changing voltage in XTU changed stability on different frequencies so it must be able to change it. But to trying to find the manual settings, this is what I get.

[reef tundra]

Put it to 12V and you can be sure it will be enough

and that it is dead

[shadow minnow]

Issue is it’s too much. I found the good voltage, just can’t set it to it.

[reef tundra]

Why even bother

[shadow minnow]

Also that 1.250V is definitely not OCed iGPU

[shadow minnow]

Because 1.7v is not ok long term. Instead of 1.375 that it should be.

Gotta love windows. Just can’t find a way to install XTU again to reset profiles to make sure it’s on board default

[astral haven]

Xtu runs as a service, if the service is gone it isn't setting anything

[warped dove]

https://www.pcinvasion.com/asus-possibly-developing-an-rtx-3070-in-collaboration-with-noctua/ rather interesting

Would be nice for people who wanna colour match their GPU to their noctua CPU.

Also GPU fans are always fucking trash because they're so low profile, thats why deshrounding GPUs shows such huge cooling improvements

Kinda totally pointless is they only do it for 3070 8GB though

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-offerman-raw-onion-gif-9285386

[old marlin]

prob as a test run

[ashen spindle]

one SKU to test things makes sense, if that works expand the versions