Lmfao
#🔌│tech
wintry cedar
RX 6700 XT has the same VRAM size as RTX 3060 12GB (but the 6700 XT is faster), this is why the 3060 Ti is so funny as it has less than its weaker sibling
solar hinge
i'll sell you mine for €550 :d
solar hinge
doubt it though, the discord tracks majority of everything in the UK 😛 you track at most 8 hours a day :p
young pecan
Idk if claiming the crown of knowing where to get scalped is a particularly proud award to have.
If I were trying for an award I'd probably go a little higher than "I know where to waste money".
That's literally the scalper margin of the 1000 and 2000 series.
You are an idiot.
The previously horrible scalper margin is apparently normal now.
You're getting scaaaaalped by the retail.
And in any other time it's horrible scalping.
I don't consider that a good justification.
"It's normal now, so let's all do it"
What the fuck?
Trying to tell me you want the reality to be 25% above being good?
Maybe with that attitude.
The only reason it's the new normal is because of COVID.
That's it.
Just COVID fucking up global industry.
The value of the cards is higher but their worth is the same.
It's like diamonds. Just because you have something worth 5000 USD for a gem doesn't mean it's actually worth that.
solar hinge
Lol covid has nothing to do with it... Retailers, AIBs and nvidia selling directly to huge AF miners
young pecan
Lol covid has nothing to do with it... Retailers, AIBs and nvidia selling direct...
It's already been proven to be a mix.
wintry cedar
And AMD having a million different TSMC 7nm products
young pecan
The major miners have been buying for years.
young pecan
And AMD having a million different TSMC 7nm products
Yeah...
That's doing some fuckery.
wintry cedar
Steam DICK won't help
young pecan
Oh pog! I just got paid out again.
I'd joke about you sending me the GPU, but I wouldn't even buy it.
3070Tis are useless.
Rather just locate some AMD cards.
Those are better rn.
3070Ti hashrate is cancer bad.
Actually putrid.
Honestly, the hashrate limiter annoys me.
It doesn't actually do anything to a lot of crypto, but they put it in anyway.
Why even bother? It changed nothing.
Now we all mine ERG.
No XC3 Blacks?
Why is it all ugly FTW3s?
Nah nah nah.
Shit GPU.
Delusions.
Now this thing...
Mmmm.
XC3 Black.
The fans also have a nice sound to them.
solar hinge
you should see a 3090FE 😄 also very chunky mofo
young pecan
It performs about the same. :L
While having useless bulk.
I mean it kinda does.
I have 5 XC3 Blacks hashing rn and 2 FTW3 Ultras.
It's always the big cards needing the fans at 70%.
Everything else is fine at 65%.
Maybe read your own thread link?
You just shot yourself in the foot.
:L
solar hinge
especially in the 3090segment it's become clear that evga FTW cards are not actually better for the premium you pay, because they exploot 😛
while playing a simple mmo 😛 well, sitting in the menu 😄
ashen spindle
no the ftw cards are the only ones that have actual problems that go beyong thermal shutdown in new world
young pecan
ashen spindle
doesn't change they cheaped out on important parts?
and this was somewhat known since the turing cards that used the same pcb
solar hinge
Btw FTW is supposed to be the top of the best of their range
wintry cedar
Yeah their Ampere cards were the worst
ashen spindle
just never got that bad till now
solar hinge
Yet they're cramping out
wintry cedar
Besides Kingpin lol
solar hinge
Crapping*
young pecan
The Kingpin line has always been top tier.
But uhh, the FTW3 was never top range.
Ever.
solar hinge
Yeah their Ampere cards were the worst
It's also because nvidia lied about realistic pricing with their msrp
young pecan
It's always been high end, but never has it been top tier among the cards in general.
ashen spindle
top range surely wouldn't end up using design flaws.. https://www.igorslab.de/en/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx-3090-and-not-only-new-world-when-the-graphics-card-goes-amok-because-of-design-failures/2/
what even are those bars lol
solar hinge
..based on what?
How much money they give to the YouTuber 
young pecan
Which doesn't imply good things, Quinn.
ashen spindle
I mean check out the article I linked and it shows they are cheaping out, it not breaking doesn't make it suddenly premium tier?
young pecan
It means their cheapness only got stressed too much when dealing with a 3090.
If they're cheaping on a 3090 why would they not cheap on a 3070?
Sus.
young pecan
He's watching biased youtube that has poor testing methodology.
solar hinge
The majority of cards sold are 3070s
young pecan
Not indicative of much.
Small sample size, testing methodology isn't fantastic, lacking a lot of repeat testing under different conditions, etc.
That's not enough for anyone reasonable to base an expensive decision on.
Reasonable data, but there's some lacking in important places.
Their best 3090 explodes...
I don't think it much of a question.
And what's that based on?
ashen spindle
how is it the best, but under load is the only one/closes one to break when you play new world?
seems like some factor is missing
yes, 3080
young pecan
Actually we sorta can.
solar hinge
You said we should though...
crisp granite
xD
ashen spindle
??? you are posting a link with the FTW as top card, and I am saying the FTW has a design flaw
young pecan
If the 3090 is breaking because of shit components, why would they splurge on lower end cards?
young pecan
It kinda is.
ashen spindle
the issue is not from capacitors, it comes from monitoring chips they use
young pecan
They're using the same components on the 3080 and 3090.
Watch Buildzoids video on it.
ashen spindle
no, it is not a capacitor, it is the monitoring chip's fault
as is shown in the article I linked...
huh?
ashen spindle
what are you on about, I am saying he is correct that the FTW cards are not the top SKUs because they have fatal flaws
solar hinge
you said, because the evga 3070 is the best, also the other ones are the best...
ashen spindle
but it is using cheap parts, that's the reason the cards are bricking...
young pecan
The 3090 is their best card. If they're willing to cheap out on components for something that should NOT be cheaped out on to the point that it breaks, why should we not also be wary of lower end cards getting the same treatment?
Especially since, as we see, the 3080 and 3090 share a LOT of components.
ashen spindle
it is the same chip used on all FTW cards and it is cheap and causing the card's failure..
ashen spindle
I dont care if they use literal gold for the rest if they cheap out on one part so much that the card breaks...
young pecan
Specifically the FTW3 cards have this problem.
So in which universe are they the top of the stack?
They have a fatal flaw.
That alone means they don't get that position.
ashen spindle
yes, for one SKU, for the one SKU you claim to be the best
young pecan
When they break and/or have problems?
If it's breaking on loading screens it's not the top of the stack.
No.
solar hinge
it's like with MS windows, it's not a bug it's a feature, so you always get a new gpu under warranty kind of thing
young pecan
it is not a 3090 only issue..
This.
So how is it the top of the stack?
The XC3s don't have this problem.
solar hinge
this is what you said though
no no, you didn't say that
at that point we weren't even talking about 3080s
ashen spindle
3080, 3080ti and 3090 are "bricked" to a point beyond fixable with reboot
(Ftw cards that is)
all the others just experienced thermal shutdown or
young pecan
Yeah no.
solar hinge
he's my junior btw
young pecan
If it was with New World we'd see the issue in other things.
But it's JUST FTW3 cards.
It's a bottom tier card if it thermally dies or breaks in loading screens.
ashen spindle
top tier card that sometimes might just die 
young pecan
ashen spindle
great top tier
young pecan
Didn't they just not change that in the 3070Tis?
crisp granite
It's a bottom tier card if it thermally dies or breaks in loading screens.
top tier = may just combust in the middle of your gaming session
crisp granite
"EVGA says EVGA cards don't break"
anything to make a sale
ashen spindle
if you would've read the article I posted from igor, he literally shows why jayz is wrong and even posts pictures and exact details...
but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
young pecan
Jesus fuck you have a hero worship complex.
ashen spindle
he can do cool waterbuilds sure and probably is good at building them and seems to know his clc stuff
but he isn't super knowledgeable on hardware in general
but he acts like he is
oh he would be a lot faster
that doesn't really make him know hardware better though?
young pecan
I mean...
If you want I can put a PC together in 10 minutes.
It's not hard.
No cable management, but eh.
ashen spindle
being able to route cables faster doesn't suddenly make you understand pcb traces and how a microcontroller works..
young pecan
I'll be honest.
solar hinge
i've to go and pick up my 3060TI FE (at €430) 😛
young pecan
Jay has zero credibility compared to BuildZoid or Der.
solar hinge
you mean derbauer
solar hinge
Der is not just part of the name :p
crisp granite
linus is nothing but shits and giggles
young pecan
Der is not just part of the name :p
I didn't wanna spell it properly.
crisp granite
...
ashen spindle
yea I'm sure building pcs for celebrities makes him suddenly able to spot the frequency a monitoring chip uses...
young pecan
Nobody but newbs.
ashen spindle
we are talking about gpu board issues from cheap components, not about "pc doesnt turn on because pcie slot fell off"
halcyon moss
oh boy, screens with 480Hz are coming
ashen spindle
neither linus nor jayz would be ones to figure this out, difference is linus at least knows it and defers to others
jayz just acts like he knows everything
but neither of them do
ashen spindle
also detailed in the article I linked 🙄
crisp granite
oh boy, screens with 480Hz are coming
...CPUs can't really do that kind of framerate beyond CS-GO, no?
ashen spindle
R6 siege can do it
young pecan
@last cave He doesn’t source anything in the description.
Until that happens it’s hearsay.
halcyon moss
its kinda silly i guess to do 480Hz, but i do think it is awesome
crisp granite
ok, but beyond those super lightweight E-Sports titles
young pecan
crisp granite
there's no real way you're gonna utilise it's power
young pecan
Hearsay? I hear and say.
Basically means no proof.
ashen spindle
not atm, but it doesn't hurt to have something that future cpus can do rather than never have it ready
young pecan
Apparently he saw a WCCFTech thing? But they’re also known for being flaky.
He didn’t put sources in the video description. We’d need them to validate.
crisp granite
not atm, but it doesn't hurt to have something that future cpus can do rather th...
fair, but a 480hz TN panel is definitely going to suck compared to a 240hz IPS for most people
ashen spindle
sure, but any sort of halo product first exists for just a small crowd and marketing reasons
ashen spindle
you need to start in a niche to grow bigger 😛
young pecan
He doesn’t source to links.
And we’d need to actually validate the source as well.
Yes, yes it is.
crisp granite
<:THONK:442446969886081034> He doesn’t source to links.
like with gaddo, no source = no proof
young pecan
Reporting in ANYTHING you need a source and then to validate that source.
Otherwise you are doing hearsay which is worth nothing.
ashen spindle
aww the company VPN is fixed again I need to continue work instead of trolling here 😦 have fun
crisp granite
because they do have some serious flaws that can lead to failures, dramatic ones at that
young pecan
He says, feeling extreme buyers remorse and burying it by trying to get people to agree.
I mean you already had something better.
You downgraded to save not much.
young pecan
You went from a higher tier card into a worse 3070Ti that was also a bad model.
crisp granite
although that is also shit value for money
young pecan
Idk man, I’d be feeling some pretty solid buyers remorse if I did something so stupid.
I almost did recently.
Bullet dodged. I am Neo.
Eh. I’m staying away from NW.
It’s Amazon making it, they’re kinda new.
Gonna let me find their stride first before I touch their games.
crisp granite
Bullet dodged. I am Neo.
don't dodge, just stop that shit in mid-air and hear the drop of those bullets all at once while staring into the faces of those who tried emptying their SMGs into you
dodging is for plebs
young pecan
Tbh New World looks pretty generic.
Just kinda more of the same.
But oh well, off to bed.
👋
zenith sonnet
The problem is that EVGA FTW3 cards have a specific fault, that does not only shows in New World, but in other games too
And the other issue is that New World is a demanding game, and millions of people tried it, and a handful of random GPUs died during the testing, unrelated to the game or the EVGA issue
reef patrol
EVGA didn't outsell shit. 
crisp granite
but...who cares about the yanks?
they'll start infighting within the year and all those cards will be inaccessible to the rest of the world
reef patrol
That's... Not how it works.
ashen spindle
Yes the problem is that on most cards it just causes a shutdown, on the ftw it can cause more damage
reef patrol
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Most people don't cap frames or know how to unless the game does it for them.
-
Design flaw. Has to be fixed - breaks spec and anything can potentially kill those cards
Surely you mean firmware, cause EVGA don't make drivers. Only the BIOS.
crisp granite
I like theories
especially conspiracies regarding raccoons formulated while smoking a joint
wheat plume
I trust jay more than BitWit
The amount of hardware BitWit broke for not paying attention is stupid
and hes just like "oops, I broke it, plz send moar"
crisp granite
...
wow
this world
seems like there's fact and "alternative fact" for just about everything
even something as clear-cut and right/wrong as tech
vestal mango
Gamersnexus or GTFO
crisp granite
mmm
gamer's nexus
very good source
there is always one truth, one set of fact
some mushy headed retards just refuse to believe and act accordingly
like that group of yanks who wholeheartedly believe that the 45th president is still...the president
xD
and a few of them might even act to make it so
which is even more horrifying
even though it's well documented that through the process of jerrymandering, they (GOP) rigged the electoral college in their favour
and still lost
xD
solar hinge
you probably also thing 5G causes covid and at the same time saying covid is created by bill gates to track us
reef patrol
My dude...
Biden has had a speech impediment all his life. This is not secret information...
reef patrol
Maybe because he's running a country?
Remember how Obama basically aged twenty years in 8?
solar hinge
you do know right, that fox ownes A LOT OF SHIT, not just fox news
reef patrol
Anyhow. You're of course entitled to believe whatever you will, but you're coming off as full blown maga and denier of basic facts
Thars all I'll say.
young pecan
I’m still awake.
Biden has his speech thing, but he’s not become slower.
He’s just become more noticeably Biden.
Nah.
Check back on his shit in the last 20 years.
It’s been pretty consistent.
I don’t support either side because I view it as childish and stupid.
solar hinge
you're so full of shit now
young pecan
The fact that you clearly support one side makes you a fuckin’ idiot.
solar hinge
please look up who owns fox corp and look up what they own in the US
young pecan
Supporting people that don’t and will never care for you, actually bruh.
solar hinge
probably also pro brexit because it makes every thing better 😄
young pecan
That’s just basic survival 101.
wheat plume
Can anyone tell me how Switch plays NES and SNES games? Is it emulated?
young pecan
All of the parties are awful.
wheat plume
When using the official app from the eShop
crisp granite
All of the parties are awful.
...
reef patrol
Can anyone tell me how Switch plays NES and SNES games? Is it emulated?
Of course. Otherwise it would need the hardware 😄
young pecan
To get a truly good government you need a stable BALANCE.
crisp granite
at least they don't cum on each other's desks
young pecan
B A L A N C E
wheat plume
Of course. Otherwise it would need the hardware 😄
its so speedy though, they load basically as the transition animation takes place
reef patrol
I'd be surprised if MVG hasn't done a video on it, @wheat plume
wheat plume
oh? Hmm, he may have xd I shall look
young pecan
Doesn’t matter if it’s puppet or not.
You need a balanced government.
BALANCED.
Middle of the road.
wheat plume
Not MVG but yeah xd
reef patrol
Close enough.
young pecan
I believe in a government that runs at the best interest of everyone equally.
Otherwise it can fuck off.
wheat plume
Sadly that wont happen cause people are greedy AF
young pecan
No, dumbass.
EVERYONE, including the rich and poor.
‘Course, and that’s why I don’t support governments.
You support something that fucks you or it fucks you.
crisp granite
I believe in a government that runs at the best interest of everyone equally.
I like the idea of that, I don't like the idea getting half of my pay taxed away while chilling with a million plus dollaroonies in debt
young pecan
That’s called being a retard government.
If you work for yourself and never help anyone else, what happens other than obscene gaps in society?
Which causes nothing good.
I want something balanced.
You have tunnel vision.
wheat plume
@reef patrol This video is from before they released the SNES app also :D haha, He speculating if they will make one or not
young pecan
Balanced is not socialism.
Socialism, communism, capitalism, etc.
All of them are stupid extremes.
Yeah no.
Socialism isn’t a balanced government.
Skews a little too heavily.
Needs more capitalism in the socialism.
crisp granite
that makes sense
young pecan
Yes, because otherwise we end in North Korea.
young pecan
So we tax some.
To do basic shit like fixing roads.
And building houses too.
Also hospitals. Those are expensive.
Healthcare should be taxable.
And free for everyone.
Free healthcare good.
If you don’t play by good society rules I think you should either go to jail or fuck off to the wilderness.
Tbh, I’d be in favour of a UBI and free healthcare.
Good living conditions and health.
That’s the building block of a good society.
That isn’t communism, idiot.
Stop your Gaddo Complex.
It really isn’t, idiot.
crisp granite
Also hospitals. Those are expensive.
and the people staffing them
young pecan
Having free healthcare and UBI does not equal communism.
crisp granite
those people
damn bro
those peeps get paid damn well
which they deserve if they're getting well educated even into their 30's
young pecan
Which is not communism.
Idiot.
Some socialist stuff is fantastic, some ain’t good.
So we do a balanced government.
No, it’s called you go to jail for tax evasion.
-_-
But not all the time.
Socialism sometimes is good.
So some socialist policies should be in a capitalism.
And some capitalist policies should fuck off.
Lobbying, for example, should fuck off.
crisp granite
Lobbying, for example, should fuck off.
agreed
so agreed
lobbying is the worst
it's...literally legalised bribery
young pecan
shrugs Apparently someone didn’t take history, did they?
Capitalism and communism are both awful.
solar hinge
young pecan
Socialism (marxism) is almost but not quite good. It needs some more capitalism and a hint of meritocracy.
And a HELL of a lot of oversight.
But if you modified the marxist government into a weird hybrid it’s be great.
young pecan
More capitalism and meritocracy, idiot. Not pure Marxism.
crisp granite
and
young pecan
It’s called modify it.
young pecan
No, it’s why the US is so fucked.
crisp granite
clearly if a retard like trump managed to buy his way in
young pecan
Way too much capitalism.
crisp granite
xD
young pecan
The best system. nods
crisp granite
the ones running the show should be the ones most capable of doing so
young pecan
Lmfao no.
crisp granite
like having the board certified surgeon conducting your surgery
young pecan
You’re a dumbass for even thinking that.
astral haven
Anarchy specifically means no system
crisp granite
instead of some random quack on meth
young pecan
Which also means the rapists and pillagers get to run loose.
No healthcare, no roads, no schools, nothing!
Say goodbye to the internet.
crisp granite
Which also means the rapists and pillagers get to run loose.
Aeon...that would allow us to have MGs, for which we could dispatch wasteland justice
astral haven
Anyone reasonable actively suggesting anarchy is suggesting ripping out the current system
Marxists, not socalists
young pecan
Really no.
astral haven
No
True anarchy as a replacement for capitalism means no government
reef patrol
Lads. I've just scrolled through +100 messages and there's one clear thing missing. Decorum.
If I read another "you moron" or anything like it, I'm going to shut this down hard. Politics is fine, but keep it civil.
astral haven
But socalists aren't marxists
young pecan
@reef patrol Understood.
solar hinge
I see you're running the proper layout
i still need custom keycaps for the best layout ever ! BE AZERTY ISO
young pecan
Liberty no.
crisp granite
i still need custom keycaps for the best layout ever ! BE AZERTY ISO
...
AZERTY ain't my cup of tea
but it's way better than the multilingual standard
astral haven
Anarchy instantly converts into rule by force as that's the pressure on all political systems
And that's really not ok
crisp granite
so it gets the thumbs up, but only for typing in french
crisp granite
Theft that directly benefits you?
what if a person insists on it?
astral haven
Marxism not socialism
crisp granite
like I personally paid for my friend's lunch about 8 years ago when he forgot his wallet on the bus during a school trip
was that theft? or was it being a good friend?
young pecan
When it stops things like mass shootings, free rapists running around, and no chemical warfare it kinda does.
Kinda something America doesn’t have.
Well, the shootings part at least.
astral haven
You benefited from the American system, so you pay for it
young pecan
You benefited from the American system, so you pay for it
This.
Don’t like it? Move somewhere else.
solar hinge
@crisp granite
crisp granite
Quinn...
astral haven
Ok so whatever tax system you live under
crisp granite
you lucky/well connected fucker
young pecan
If you benefit from the things you get taxed for you rightfully should pay for them.
Enjoy that smooth road? Pony up.
young pecan
Ikr.
astral haven
Not a Marxist one tho
crisp granite
and I actually pay less in maintaining the roads than I would replacing a totalled suspension every year or two
so...I kinda like how it works out
young pecan
Well the flip side is it means everyone else pays for YOUR healthcare and food.
solar hinge
you lucky/well connected fucker
technically i also have a 3070FE, 3070TI FE and 3080FE, but i don't have them here (and the 3070TI and 3070 went to friends 😄 )
young pecan
So if you ever fuck up you’re not completely screwed.
Tbh, I’d rather pay for both to some degree. Healthcare, a UBI, the basics.
I’d give a little of my earnings so everyone could have a good quality of life.
I’m not a disgusting enough human that wants people to suffer and I can take the loss, so whatever.
astral haven
That's not the problem
Have you in your life ever benefitted from the parts that are impossibly expensive for a single person, like city planning and public order?
young pecan
America kinda has that. If you break a bone you’re basically fucked.
crisp granite
maybe not you DIRECTLY
young pecan
No good healthcare there.
crisp granite
but indirectly, it does help
young pecan
It costs you extremely highly for healthcare in the US, and it’s garbage.
Just an ambulance ride is thousands.
In Aus it’s free.
astral haven
You cannot afford to build your own sewage system.
You cannot afford to build your own law enforcement.
Same for water, electricity, and education
crisp granite
It costs you extremely highly for healthcare in the US, and it’s garbage.
and then they come to canada expecting free healthcare, walk away with a pretty chunky bill, still not as bad as in the US
xD
astral haven
Those are all paid for by guess what
Taxes
Remember most civilized countries are a free market, you can pick whatever system to live in you want
young pecan
And because of that most people had an awful lifestyle.
crisp granite
yep
halcyon moss
you all are entertaining a troll
young pecan
Short lifespan, no freedoms to enjoy luxury, etc. so sad.
solar hinge
you all are entertaining a troll
nah; just a moron
crisp granite
yeah, free market = most people having really shitty lives
young pecan
Careful Quinn.
solar hinge
Careful Quinn.
what for?
crisp granite
we got checks and balances to ensure you aren't starving to death in a workhouse for shit pay
isn't that just lovely
young pecan
Mansen already told us off for calling the obvious the obvious.
crisp granite
well worth the tax dollars imo
solar hinge
Mansen already told us off for calling the obvious the obvious. <:LUL:3545816029...
he would end the conversation 😄 which is fine by me 😄 hehehehehe
crisp granite
welp, I'm gonna nope out of this convo
it's already off the rails
gaddo 2.0
but...somehow less bad
astral haven
-_- can't be serious...
young pecan
It’s why I’m calling extreme tunnel vision a Gaddo Complex.
crisp granite
gaddo 0.5 if anything
young pecan
It fits too well.
Did you know the entire universe is not black and white?
I can like some socialist things and I can dislike others.
halcyon moss
Did you know the entire universe is not black and white?
what ofcourse it is completely white
young pecan
what ofcourse it is completely white
That’s more to avoid environmental damage.
Yeah, but that implies the honour system which doesn’t exist.
“I promise I’ll do this because I said so”
Yeah nah.
That currency does not pass.
solar hinge
once you go full moron you believe in fairy tales :p
young pecan
Unfortunately that requires the honour system and wealthy charity.
Both of which don’t exist.
fair gull
can we not politics in here
young pecan
Politicn’t
pale sigil
once you go full moron you believe in fairy tales :p
Like saying mining doesn’t affect the gpu market? :p
solar hinge
Like saying mining doesn’t affect the gpu market? :p
i never said that 😄
i said, small miners don't affect the gpu market
spiral belfry
I'm sorry, but how is this tech related? 😂
i.e bugger off to somewhere who do politics (I will yeet you if you continue talking politics)
young pecan
Something something libation something else choosing your own something something something here graphics card!
Steps 1 through 4 lost to time. Step 5 GPU somehow.
spiral belfry
politics end, now
astral haven
i said, small miners don't affect the gpu market
Small miners do affect the market just not much
spiral belfry
❤️ thanks
solar hinge
Small miners do affect the market just not much
you buying 5 cards vs someone buying 5k 😄
astral haven
And it's good for gamers since usually the miners could sell the cards for price of shipping and still have made a bunch of money
So the cards end up alot cheaper than msrp
astral haven
I recommended so many $90 570s that it's not even funny
young pecan
I should prolly go for those, tbh.
Kinda don’t wanna deal with em though.
Could be good for slow mining some stuff.
CCX, perhaps.
I’ll sell you a 3080.
Rev 1.0 Gigabyte Eagle 3080.
2500 AUD is my starting price.
Not mined on, doesn’t fit in things.
astral haven
Strawman
young pecan
Had intended it for mining, but it’s obnoxiously big as a card.
crisp granite
Aeon...
young pecan
That’s the average price on ebay.
astral haven
Free market fam
young pecan
Negotiate me down.
crisp granite
...I was thinking of trading
young pecan
Oh?
young pecan
Which 3070 was it?
crisp granite
MSI Gaming X Trio
young pecan
Those fit.
crisp granite
and not LHR
young pecan
Only BARELY.
crisp granite
o.o
young pecan
But they do fit in the miners.
crisp granite
welp...if I get a spare GPU to use till it arrives, maybe we could make a trade?
GPU plus a few hundred your way?
young pecan
Say the 3070 is worth 1600 AUD, I’d need another 600 in cash for the trade.
crisp granite
Say the 3070 is worth 1600 AUD, I’d need another 600 in cash for the trade.
but it's worth 2500 CAD
xD
or at least people buy em for that much
young pecan
How so?
crisp granite
I'd consider it worth 2k
young pecan
CAD and AUD are basically always the same.
We get those here for 1.5 to 1.7 or so.
Hmmm. I’d take the 3070, 400 in cash, and you mine on the 3080 during nights for 4 months.
Or maybe 3.
Idk, I’d need to math.
crisp granite
idk, the demon of shipping internationally makes that a mega nope to me
young pecan
Alternate offer?
crisp granite
I'd get more selling locally, but that 3080 price is actually not completely nuts
but with import and all that, it might as well be
young pecan
I’m looking for 2200 in value from it.
astral haven
Problem is the $400 in shipping
crisp granite
but...I like it here in Canada
dim sum for breakfast is pog
I bet you don't have that in aussie land
young pecan
You’re delusional if you think anyone is selling you a 3080 for 1800 AUD because it’s used for 2 months.
Back of the line with you.
crisp granite
xD
dude
that's less than than Aeon could make mining on it in half a year
no one would ever sell one for that little
young pecan
True statement.
At that price it’a more logical for me to buy a Dell Optiplex for $60 and have it running a solo instance of HiveOS.
1800 isn’t current market value.
young pecan
I’d wager $1100 is real worth, but the current value? Fuck no.
You cannot.
None of them are in stock.
astral haven
You cannot.
This
young pecan
2500 minimum.
crisp granite
you can't
even the guy I know would be hard pressed to score a GPU at a reasonable price now
I paid $950 CAD for my EVGA XC3 3070
and that was more than I'd like to pay
but way less than I could have
young pecan
@shadow minnow I found your shitty waterblock card in stock.
Lemme know if you wanna pay the obscene fee for it.
crisp granite
<@!590931863951114260> I found your shitty waterblock card in stock.
for...an absurd price ngl
shadow minnow
Too much, also not the model I want
shadow minnow
Could have had no ti model of Aorus one for 1570€
crisp granite
that's tip number 1 for GPU buying in 2021
young pecan
That’s why you trade second hand. To find the guy.
crisp granite
it's actually true though
young pecan
Nobody is at fault if you don’t know how to do that.
crisp granite
I've also asked him about an R7 5700G and 280mm AIO, said he could do both for $700 CAD at most
🙏
astral haven
5700g dum
astral haven
Do not buy unless micropc
young pecan
Again, nobody is at fault if you don’t know what you’re doing.
crisp granite
Do not buy unless micropc
that's the point, actually
astral haven
Ah
crisp granite
a small little PC powerful enough for a small, heavily modded minecraft server
young pecan
Do not buy unless micropc
It’s Doge, of course he’s going microPC.
astral haven
a small little PC powerful enough for a small, heavily modded minecraft server
Intel cpus are alot better at running mc servers
crisp granite
and...I got a spare B550 itx mobo, sooooo
young pecan
Also 3950X.
crisp granite
just using that, basically
astral haven
5950X is officially about on par.
Guy I know tested it
5800x is worse than 10900k by a decent margin
Almost 20% mspt
young pecan
Shhhhhh. Bargain’t.
young pecan
Ikr.
young pecan
Now he looks like a fucking wiseman.
crisp granite
it literally dethroned the fucking king by a good margin
young pecan
Cerebral Cortexn’t
crisp granite
3080 is about 130% the performance at worst of a 3070Ti, more like 140% in most scenarios
only 60-ish quid more
young pecan
@shadow minnow Is this the stupid card you want?
shadow minnow
Nope
crisp granite
<@!590931863951114260> Is this the stupid card you want?
dear god
shadow minnow
Which one even is it?
Aorus waterforce wb 3080 ti
crisp granite
not really, considering an aussie dollar is about half a pound
or about 227 grams in actual units
young pecan
This stupid nonsense card?
shadow minnow
Yes, just ti version
young pecan
Whut.
shadow minnow
3080 ti
crisp granite
get cheaper card
shadow minnow
But also that price. Was 1570€ here, ti being 2100€
young pecan
It’s just a slightly modified waterblock.
Super standard.
Normal fittings, normal routing.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was from the same factory EKWB gets their stuff.
shadow minnow
Did not find non waterblock card cheaper by price of waterblock in stock
young pecan
Wait what?
young pecan
You mean to say you haven’t seen a good Asus, MSI, or EVGA card in stock?
For a reasonable price, at least.
shadow minnow
But I may not go for this model and just put waterblock on sth eventually since it does not look as good as 2080 ti waterforce wb
young pecan
Go shopping at EK?
shadow minnow
For a reasonable price, at least.
No, nothing under 1500€.
crisp granite
...
astral haven
Remember it's generally best to grab an evga air cooled and blyski it
young pecan
...
crisp granite
1500 euro is...not reasonable
young pecan
I can do that. Find you something around that.
shadow minnow
Go shopping at EK?
Bought quite a lot of watercooling stuff from there, but don’t really like look of this gen waterblocks
crisp granite
:P
shadow minnow
actually, 1500 euro for a 3090 is fair
Issue is it was standard 3080. Waterblocked version being 70 more
shadow minnow
Maybe Alphacool? <@!590931863951114260>
Will consider, but nothing beats last gen aorus wb look. This gen however…
Would have to find reasonably priced non waterblocked card for that too though
young pecan
Vert mount an acrylic EK block with the mystic fluid and RGB it? @shadow minnow
That’d look nice.
astral haven
Avoid ek
shadow minnow
Planning to vert mount and also have one bottle of mystic fluid
astral haven
Blyski, watercool, alphacool, optimus
shadow minnow
But why?
astral haven
Alphacool is ek tier but cheaper
Everything else is higher durability and higher performance
shadow minnow
Planning to vert mount and also have one bottle of mystic fluid
Also have to buy more since it’s not enough for my loop
shadow minnow
Everything else is higher durability and higher performance
Not really. XE rads are one of the best for example
young pecan
Alphacool is ek tier but cheaper
Alphacool also has a fair bit of jank.
Workable jank, tho.
astral haven
Just talking about blocks
For rads you would be looking at hwlabs or alphacool or watercool
young pecan
I think EK probably wins in fittings.
young pecan
Link to optimus?
young pecan
They don’t have much.
astral haven
They don't have a ton of stuff
But what they do have is top quality
astral haven
Meh Optimus is mostly for the blocks
Definitely top tier blocks for both CPU and gpu
shadow minnow
The easy way to go
Looked at all options, and taking design into account, most of the things I bought were EK. And also XE360 being for some time the best 360 rad overall, and having ports on both sides.
astral haven
Hwlabs gtx 360
shadow minnow
Fuck, EK has so many fittings.
Yeah. Once they had the 16mm newest black ones for free, such a good deal 
Not sure if that was in the testing too tbh, but if yes it was worse.
astral haven
Ek is the easy option
But if you are willing to do the research there are higher performance or value options available
Sometimes both
shadow minnow
Did not find loot of stuff that was also better by design tbh.
Liked the simplicity of rads.
Also was hard to beat value of the fittings
astral haven
Gtx 360
Look it up
Haven't heard anything bad about the fittings so 🤷♂️
But I've heard alot of issues of the coating quality on ek
shadow minnow
Gtx 360
Look it up
Hate the design tbh. Which to some extend matters to me. All angles on rads should imo be 90* tbh.
astral haven
🤷♂️ whatever if it's an aesthetic choice, but do understand you are sacrificing temps and durability
Or price
shadow minnow
Temps not really, xe again, in testing was best rad for some time
And also not that expensive
astral haven
Remember the testing depends on the fans
And on gts or clones you want slightly higher density than that appears to be
shadow minnow
Sure, it was done at mutiple rpms and xe was best overall. Still depends though.
astral haven
Not that ek would say the fin density
shadow minnow
Not that ek would say the fin density
They do
Afaik
Or at least found it somewhere else
astral haven
Sure, it was done at mutiple rpms and xe was best overall. Still depends though.
With GTs and clones
Just with the garbage tier ek fans maybe?
Oh it's 18 fpi
That's not bad at all
But it's worse than the gtx...
young pecan
Mate, if you’re not using Noctua you’re not doing life correctly.
shadow minnow
With GTs and clones
Just with the garbage tier ek fans maybe?
Actually performed the best at higher rpms, while being second at lower rpms.
young pecan
A12x25 for the win!!
crisp granite
Mate, if you’re not using Noctua you’re not doing life correctly.
I believe in NF-A12x25 superiority
astral haven
Did it compare to the hwlabs?
young pecan
A12x25!! :D
astral haven
I believe in NF-A12x25 superiority
Those are gt clones
shadow minnow
A12x25 for the win!!
Was considering them but no chromax version. Just went for ek fans at the end, after considering Corsair MLs
young pecan
Those are gt clones
Yeah, but they look so nice.
crisp granite
ur mum is a gt clone
astral haven
Oh god
crisp granite
astral haven
Why would you ever buy vardars...
young pecan
I love the Noctua design.
astral haven
The only thing going for vardars is looks
young pecan
And the Vardars also look pretty.
astral haven
They are so fragile
astral haven
Like Jesus Christ
How do you have a fan break without physical dammage
shadow minnow
Performance and rgb. Would not need rgb, but leds not being turnable off on mls…
shadow minnow
Aesthetically pleasing.
That.
astral haven
Mls are some of the worst radiator fans
shadow minnow
Only negative is too big rotor section
shadow minnow
Mls are some of the worst radiator fans
They have pretty high pressure and cfm. 120 version at least
young pecan
Y’know what?
astral haven
🤷♂️ I'm not arguing about looks only performance
If you care more about aesthetics than performance that's on you
astral haven
They have pretty high pressure and cfm. 120 version at least
Or
Not and
young pecan
I want Noctua to use their fancy material to make an Acceleron fan.
I would buy and emotionally nut all over a Noctua Acceleron.
shadow minnow
🤷♂️ I'm not arguing about looks only performance
If you care more about aesthe...
Around the same. The thing is, that xe rads were cheaper, had around the same performance even if bit worse, and look better.
And since I have two rads, won’t make much of a difference.
astral haven
That's also alot more expensive than just buying the original gts instead of a clone
shadow minnow
Here my loop so far
astral haven
You paid $12 us for an a12x25?
young pecan
Pff, no.
astral haven
Because that's what the gts cost
astral haven
🤷♂️ I'm sure nidec could sell you alot more than 24 fans for $1000 aud
shadow minnow
🤷♂️ I'm not arguing about looks only performance
If you care more about aesthe...
I am not the most reasonable person
Have 11900k, that I would not recommend to basically anyone
astral haven
🤷♂️ not a slow cpu
shadow minnow
But value
astral haven
And tbf it's pretty easy to cool
astral haven
Better value than my cpu
young pecan
Aus is expensive.
shadow minnow
Am I for once not getting death treats for having 11900k? /s
astral haven
I'm sure you could pay $300 in shipping and imports and still get like 50 nidecs on top of that for 1k
young pecan
They physically won’t ship to me in bulk.
crisp granite
Am I for once not getting death treats for having 11900k? /s <:lul:5764752803030...
I forgot my stabbin loisence at home
consider this your day off
astral haven
Am I for once not getting death treats for having 11900k? /s <:lul:5764752803030...
After experiencing 5000 series I'm alot more kind to the 11900k
young pecan
Amazon sells them, but I can’t get them delivered.
And ebay is the worst.
$600 in shipping? Fuck off.
shadow minnow
I mean, I got it for not that bad price, I think it was 500€? But still…
astral haven
🤷♂️ try to find different rebadges
shadow minnow
After experiencing 5000 series I'm alot more kind to the 11900k
What was wrong with it?
astral haven
It's just unpleasant to deal with drivers
young pecan
🤷♂️ try to find different rebadges
I went for A12x25s instead because they have a god tier reputation and I found em for a good price.
astral haven
And the desktop performance is meh at best
I came from a 9900k and uh
Really wasn't much of an upgrade outside of csgo
shadow minnow
After experiencing 5000 series I'm alot more kind to the 11900k
Can’t say I had the entirely best experience too with 11900k, since either it, or my z590 master died day one.
But compared to what reviewers said, was surprisingly easy to cool. Especially considering that I was using very budget air cooler since I did not have all necessary watercooling parts yet.
astral haven
And btw they still haven't fixed the USB issue
And yes my board has received the "USB fix"...
3 times...
5000 series is really tough to cool
140w and I'm already at 90c
280 thiccboi radiator that was at the same temperature with 300w on a 9900k
shadow minnow
I guess the most unreasonable part of my pc may not actually be the CPU then, and SSD instead
astral haven
My SSD(s) is(are) less reasonable than yours I guarantee it
And thanks to AMD they probably perform worse too
shadow minnow
My SSD(s) is(are) less reasonable than yours I guarantee it
Okay, my ssd is gen 4 7000/6950 2tb. Costed 400€.
shadow minnow
You mean just optane, or hybrid?
astral haven
A 280,900p a 480, 900p and a 750 p4800x
(Gb followed by model number)
$280, $460, and $700 respectively
shadow minnow
Okay you win
Well, depends kinda on usecase. But the last one…
astral haven
$280, $460, and $700 respectively
After tax
The p4800x came with 0 bytes written (not that it matters for optane)
young pecan
@shadow minnow Why do you want that gigabyte card?
The top connectory bit looks weird.
It’s all weird and doesn’t fit in with the rest of the aesthetic.
It disturbs me.
Smooth looking card.
block
Why?
Cause like...
Look at this thing.
It’s beautiful.
shadow minnow
The p4800x came with 0 bytes written (not that it matters for optane)
What usecase? I mean, I was considering optane too… 32gb for 40€ for swap storage for some heavily modded games.
astral haven
Windows desktop
At least when not raided they are insanely fast for opening random stuff
young pecan
IT’S SO BEAUTIFUL.
young pecan
Ugly.
Not because of the pattern.
But BLOCK.
Why?
Gigabyte, put a goddamn shroud or something on it.
Anything other than exposed acrylic.
shadow minnow
What’s so wrong with it? How should it look?
young pecan
Hang on.
shadow minnow
Only thing I don’t like is the left half being lower
shadow minnow
One thing I really don’t like about this gen ek. Non blocky shape of the port part
shadow minnow
Block over ANYTHING else?
Yes. Simplicity. Same as I liked the xe rad being blocky. And the ek flow thing also looks great
young pecan
Ok fine fine.
But a bare acrylic block?
No metal? No coating? No art? No shroud? Nothing whatsoever?
Looks needlessly ugly.
shadow minnow
Could be something else, but don’t hate it. Only thing is the gold line on the ampere blocks.
young pecan
It’s fucking cursed nonsense and I hate it.
shadow minnow
Tbh like it on the 2080 model, just if the left part had the same height
young pecan
WHY would you put the effort into making the rest of the card beautiful AND THEN LEAVE A BLOCK?!?
:(
Look at this thing.
It’s gorgeous.
No block!
shadow minnow
Don’t like it tbh
young pecan
Heretic!
It’s so fucking pretty.
Nice and smooth aesthetic.
No block.
Like... you could recess the ports into the block itself.
Or make the block lower profile and smoother.
But they just stick a rectangular prism acrylic thingo on the otherwise beautiful block.
:(
Look how out of place that looks.
Smooth aesthetic broken by an acrylic rectangular prism.
shadow minnow
Smooth aesthetic broken by an acrylic rectangular prism.
Idk tbh, don’t think it’s bad. However, the gold lines and circles.
astral haven
Idk tbh, don’t think it’s bad. However, the gold lines and circles.
Same cooler twice the wattage same temperature 9900k vs 5950x
What's so complicated
Set the power limit to 300w and "thermal protection event'
And it'll be a higher temperature than a 200w 9900k...
astral haven
140w on a 5950x is alot less dense than 115w on a 5800x
astral haven
Put big cooler on.
Tried it, doesn't work
young pecan
Put bigger cooler on.
astral haven
280mm full copper custom loop seems overkill but ok
Dedicated to the CPU I might add
astral haven
Functional yes
But higher temperature
astral haven
What wattage what temperature?
astral haven
What wattage
young pecan
shrugs Idk man, I can barely think.
5Ghz, tho.
Do what magic calculation you want.
astral haven
Cause "load" can mean alot of things
100% load on my 9900k is between 100w and 300w
At 5ghz
And a 3950x cannot hit 5ghz under load
young pecan
100% Synthetic load all cores 5Ghz.
young pecan
No? Mine seems to do it.
50 multiplier.
Runs AIDA just fine. Little toasty but eh.
astral haven
I'm gonna need a hwinfo screenshot