I used to think cryptocurrency would go nowhere, but time and time again Bitcoin especially has shown that after it dips in value, it rebounds to all time highs
Thus this nonsense is here to stay, for better or worse
#🔌│tech
crimson wigeon
young pecan
So am I.
It means within 7 years I can retire before I'm 30 and have a family.
But I wouldn't expect a lying child to know this.
That is what you are, we're all quite sure.
And this is wrong.
Unless you're employed by yourself and you manage to become a CEO (you're not, nor will you be.) you won't take a passive income from games.
I'm holding coins, mate.
I mean...
I started by buying 2 retail GPUs, then I promptly went to second hand because it's both cheaper and faster.
Retail 3070s aren't worthwhile trying to look for them.
It takes ages and eyes are on em all the time.
So you go second hand.
I'm not investing, but ok. 
I am holding some coin, but it's not a major coin.
Little known one called CCX.
Very cheap rn, but it's not on major exchanges.
I'm kinda waiting for the day it has a little pump.
Also some Ergo as well, but that's more of a curiosity than anything else.
They have plenty of GPUs over there.
And plenty of stores.
Idek why you're talking. You're clearly a kid that's parroting social media and spouting nonsense without anything to back it up.
crimson wigeon
How is this conversation still going after the blocks anyway 
young pecan
@crimson wigeon He keeps unblocking us because he can't stand to lose.
I've been blocked 3 times already by my count.
You got some weird spelling habits.
All over the place.
vagrant pagoda
chrome estuary
Is that a life line helicopter?
young pecan
Coast guard.
chrome estuary
Ah didn't see that until I zoomed in
crimson wigeon
Oh that snap, yeah it doesn't seem so great maybe that's why so many people wanna disable it
chrome estuary
I mean they were probably doing a form of life line drop so...
shrug
Close enough for me
young pecan
You lost so badly that it's hilarious.
Idk if I've ever seen someone aside from Gaddo lose an argument so badly here.
But you should be thankful you've above an antivaxxer, so I wouldn't consider that a trophy.
Pog looking plane, Locke.
That's called being delusional.
It's also got a name.
The Dunning-Kruger effect.
Here's a nifty little chart.
If I had to judge my position on the chart, I'm somewhere near the valley, but idk for sure. Someone else would need to test.
You, sir, are mount stupid.
It's a knowledge chart, idiot.
Not an earnings chart.
Jesus fuck, that's a sentence if I've ever seen one.
Holy shit.
@prisma crag Check this out.
It's called being humble, you might wanna try it.
You can be confident, but humble.
You're in the land of bragging without having earned anything.
!
Oh yes, PC pic.
Pls.
Located it.
No USB hub.
That's an F.
I'd probably just implode without a USB hub.
young pecan
To improve that I think you'd want a couple things...
Audio interface, a dedicated mic with better headphones, a VESA mount, another display, and a mousepad.
Maybe a deskmat, actually.
Could throw a Scarlett 2i2 or something on the left side of the display.
So hang on.
You had a 6800XT and now have a 3070Ti for some reason?
crimson wigeon
Gotta have them Nvidia features
fickle ore
If you are a serious developer you would have kept the 6800XT
young pecan
If you are a serious developer you would have kept the 6800XT
Absolutely this.
All the way that.
1000% that.
Damn near all applications needing a GPU on your level need more VRAM than VRAM speed.
And the 6800XT has shitloads.
fickle ore
@last cave you compiling?
young pecan
It's SFF in the first place, was never gonna be quiet.
fickle ore
if you cared about the cpu performance you'd have gone for the 6800XT again... 😛
zenith sonnet
Lel, the memory on the 3070 Ti can't offset the 6800 XT's cache is what you mean
fickle ore
@last cave Me too. But it isn't enough. Nvidia driver heavily bottlenecks cpu performance.
It does. And no SAM on Nvidia is shit.
zenith sonnet
Nvidia driver CPU performance is a different issue to SAM
fickle ore
6800 xt would have been better off unless you like 4k reso, 1080p/1440p for your intended audience is better off with 6800 xt any day of the week.
Lol
zenith sonnet
Lol, it has much higher overhead
crimson wigeon
But what if they wanna use Nvidia exclusive features?
young pecan
This is an idiot comment that shows how little you know.
fickle ore
omgee
fickle ore
But what if they wanna use Nvidia exclusive features?
Like what? 😄 ray tracing? kek
young pecan
@prisma crag Lmfao
crimson wigeon
Yeah RTX ON!
crimson wigeon
Have you had it kickstarted yet?
young pecan
@crimson wigeon Apparently he's an indie studio that works for himself, so I guess his answer is no.
According to him he works alone, but also for an indie studio, but also he apparently only makes successful games with 30,000+ hits.
fickle ore
Pointless downgrade. 6800 XT especially for open world games would have been so much better due to faster memory latency below 4k res. If you had spent the 200$ on ebay to get Optane drive that would have been so much more useful for compiling builds or just loading zone/streaming assets, your development would be faster now with less downtime.
crimson wigeon
But DLSS
young pecan
bUt rAyTrAcinG.
- nobody, I think
Yeah, we all had that.
"Oh boy! I can't wait to do raytracing!!"
nothing is supported
dry tendon
Pointless downgrade. 6800 XT especially for open world games would have been so ...
6800 XT has better memory bandwidth even at 5K than a 3090
anyways
I dislike the 3070 Ti due to its price and VRAM amount and power usage
fickle ore
Yeah but 6800xt falls off at 4k due to not having enough Cache for 4k+
dry tendon
IMHO 3070 Ti vs RX 6800 non-XT is a simple, clear cut win for the 6800.
The same way the GTX 950 > R7 370 and the 390 > 970
dry tendon
Yeah but 6800xt falls off at 4k due to not having enough Cache for 4k+
No, it is compute limited
fickle ore
um no
solar hinge
like scalping cards to "innocent" gamers 😄
dry tendon
at 4K it does little
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet link that thing you linked yesterday
dry tendon
even the 6900 XT LC with 18 gbps memory does very little
I am aware of that, but it has worse raw and effective bandwidth
young pecan
Sheer frequency isn't the deciding factor, mate.
crimson wigeon
It might be a good idea as a developer to have more humble hardware as it might make you optimize more ecks deee
dry tendon
Raw bandwidth = All caches + VRAM
Effective bandwidth = All caches + VRAM + DCC (and maybe other bandwidth-saving features)
young pecan
It might be a good idea as a developer to have more humble hardware as it might ...
This is the dude that describes himself as an upcoming James Cameron but for games.
What humility?
dry tendon
That is fair. Nothing wrong with that at all
I got a 760 for Metro Last Light for example
Cool. Now what is the cache bandwidth of the 3070 Ti and of the 6900 XT?
dry tendon
L1, L2, L3 and maybe L0 bandwidth. The 3070 Ti has cache too
Yes, but you should count it for actual overall raw and effective bandwidth
dry tendon
the only reason marketing doesnt do that is because its complex
Not because engineers havent been doing this for decades
BTW - 3070 and 3070 Ti have more than enouygh bandwidth IMHO
fickle ore
dry tendon
if anything Nvidia should have bought 16gbps or 18gbps modules for those cards instead of G6X
Not really. RDNA2's is faster actually. However the big deal is the L3 here
zenith sonnet
<@!211151302535806976> link that thing you linked yesterday
I'm on my phone, work break, can't
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet np I found it
dry tendon
That is one of those things that are technically true but dont really help much. The actual limit if you run out of VRAM is the PCIE slot AS WELL as the RAM speed of your PC
bandwidth very slightly will impact these results
but the reality is that you will get stutter even with the bandwidth if you run out of VRAM. Even if you had 3 tbs HBM 3.0 you'd still get that
I am not shitting on you dude if you are happy and saved cash
young pecan
Did you see his title on his part list?
dry tendon
I will now try to sell my own GPUs while prices are high and I am not playing anything and buy low later 😛
young pecan
Account name RadeonRebel.
dry tendon
So I get you fully
young pecan
Work with any particularly complex graphics.
dry tendon
Ehh, there are already standard games that run out of VRAM at 1440p or 4K. If you have 8GB.
You see, it is not about using all 16. It is about using more than 8 or 10 😛
also, Modding games = you need more than 16 at some point if you go insane
young pecan
SKYRIM.
dry tendon
but if you play less demanding games its fine
Well yeah, the 3080 and 6800 XT are equaly good purchases overall
young pecan
A 6800XT and 3080 are about as good as eachother.
dry tendon
since they are both excellent, you will get asymetrical and logical arguments for both
dry tendon
3080 has the still superior DLSS and RT performance, 6800 XT has the lower price, better efficiency, superior VRAM. Both are super logical IMHO
fickle ore
@last cave Just saying because I'm optimizing for open world games: You need superb CPU/RAM, SAM (so 6800xt), optane drive 😄
dry tendon
@last cave Do you have Wolfenstein 2 or DOOM Eternal or RES Evil 2 Remake? Those can make use of more than 8gb VRAM. Cyberpunk too, if RT is on but the game is so demanding that its hard either way 😦
dry tendon
I have never owned a LC card lol
DLSS doesnt actually do much to lower VRAM. It does lower it slightly though
On my 2080 and RX 5700 XT (8gb cards) Wolfenstein 2 and DOOM Eternal were stuttering
fickle ore
I'm jelly of P5800x vs my intel 900p 😦
dry tendon
Vega with HBCC did actually do better
young pecan
Or it's because of the VRAM. ._.
fickle ore
@last cave Are you developing with DirectStorage (and sampler feedback) in mind?
dry tendon
Definitely not since it happens on all 8gb GPUs and reviewers confirm that too (except for Wollfenstein 2 since maximum settings require a reviewer to enter the menu and enable them which most tech tubers cannot do LMAO)
you need either more VRAM or something like HBCC
for those
young pecan
3440x1440? You think you're doing that with a 3070Ti on a good framerate?!?! xD
Wot?
dry tendon
Games don't allocate memory in the sense of "give me 10GB, I'll throw my stuff in that pool". They allocate mem only for stuff that is needed, +-some granularity loss. If a game "allocates" 10G, there is indeed 10G of data in use. The catch is that not all of this data may be required to draw a given frame. Let's say you're in a cube where each side has a different texture, you can only see at most 5 sides at any point in time - does that mean the mem for the 6th wall is "allocated but not used"? No. If you turn around, it will need to be rendered - meaning if you didn't have the VRAM required to hold that 6th texture, you would get a lag spike when you turn around as it swaps it back into VRAM in place of the wall that just became invisible. Then if you turn around again, you will have to swap VRAM again... In big games there usually isn't a single place in an area where you can see every single asset that is in the scene - so you can in fact get away with lower VRAM than what the game calls for but you will see higher frametimes as you start moving around and start running into assets that spilled over into system RAM previously.
young pecan
That's not how displays work, but ok.
You stop seeing benefit after doubling your refresh rate.
200FPS for 100Hz.
But 80FPS? You aren't even capping what the monitor can do.
The GPU is the limitation
dry tendon
The 3070 Ti is brutally fast. IMHO its fast enough for 4K
dry tendon
The 2080 Super stutters in those games. The 3060 does not stutter. The 3060 is weaker than a 2080 Super. This happens over multiple installs and multiple drivers.
Its is VRAM. Not a driver bug or a game issue. Its VRAM. ALso, the quote I posted is from an Expert too so...
young pecan
They do run into issues. Just because they don't upgrade doesn't mean they're problem free.
dry tendon
Absolutely possible dude. From my personal experience, very few game devs are hardware enthusiasts. So I expected that.
Either way be happy with the 3070 Ti since you made money off this too
However, I personally believe that in a normal market, a 6800 >>>>>> 3070 Ti
as a purchase
but that doesnt mean the 3070 Ti is weak or something lol
dry tendon
On ultra 4k capping 100FPS? No.
If i use that logic, even 3090 and 6900 XT = 1080p cards at best
since CB 2077 at Ultra max all = under 100 fps
At some point we have to accept 1 setting lowered IMHO
astral haven
max out dlss and the fps will be fine 
dry tendon
Alas I dont know UK prices ;d
astral haven
same
young pecan
If i use that logic, even 3090 and 6900 XT = 1080p cards at best
The logic is more match the refresh rate and such.
Wouldn’t do 4k ultra for those cards.
2k ultra. Then they can push 180FPS average easily.
dry tendon
4K Ultra is decadent and pointless
young pecan
That too.
dry tendon
... 😛 ... I dont get the argument then ;d
young pecan
Doubling my refresh rate of 144Hz in FPS to get the best possible smooth experience.
dry tendon
Smooth and LCD = impossible 😄
young pecan
Basically avoiding any dips below my refresh rate.
dry tendon
but weve fought about that before too so no point now
dry tendon
4K OLED TV
young pecan
Funny that I don’t want a TV then, innit?
young pecan
Yeah, that’s true.
Again, the FPS starts hurting then.
Minimum FPS shouldn’t go below the maximum monitor refresh rate, imho.
Not if you want something specifically for gaming, at least.
crimson wigeon
Can you at least show us a sneak preview of what you're making?
young pecan
rolls eyes You’d have no competition in that zone.
Last time anyone had a good horror game was something like 10 years ago.
dry tendon
Minimum FPS shouldn’t go below the maximum monitor refresh rate, imho.
Then what is the point of variable refresh rate ;d ?
young pecan
Then what is the point of variable refresh rate ;d ?
I tend to not use that if I can help it.
dry tendon
Exceptions. The average game is aiming at 4K
young pecan
Looks weird to my eyes.
dry tendon
IMHO 4K is the standard now
COnsoles determine the absolute minimum
Resident Evil isnt really a horror game. It is an action game with a horror aesthetic.
I recommend SOMA though that too isnt a normal horror game
Difficulty has little to do with horror. Almost all horror games are generally quite easy
mechanically
STALKER is MUCH harder than Resident Evil and is much higher in horror. However, it too isnt a horror game
its an FPS
young pecan
Psychological horror and all that.
ashen spindle
what engine are you using for your game?
pale sigil
The true horror us using unreal
ashen spindle
so I assume you'll just use the build in state machine system for the zombie ai?
young pecan
Yep.
That do be why we keep going back to minecraft.
Idk man.
At this stage idk.
pale sigil
Guys
pale sigil
Just like chill
young pecan
But holy shit the guy takes forever.
That one time where he waited 3 decades to release a movie because, in his eyes, the tech wasn’t ready.
You’re basically helpless as far as crypto knowledge, but otherwise sure, why not?
young pecan
Ethnix.
Not you.
Oof.
Eh, nah.
PoS, for example, is a great way around the power use.
halcyon moss
ohgod are we still on crypto
dry tendon
OK. In STALKER, one of the tihngs that scales with difficulty are resources
That is extremely American / British of you. Did I guess right?
Thankfully, with the rise of China, the US and UK's relevance will dwindle so there is a good ending here.
With that said, I am surprised that you havent even heard of the Baikonur Cosmodrome
UK / US education is truly a sham ;d but that is wrong too. There is no way for a Cosmodrome to account for 80% of the GDP in a country 19 million people
Like... imagine getting education on other countries or cultures from a low-end Hollywood movie
wtf
I wish all counties had more goar farmers since goat cheese is GOAT
but lol these Western ideas about the world lol
Or maybe Borat is just a movie made for fun and comedy?
I love UK memes too but I dont SERIOUSLY believe the UK police will ask a stabber if they have a license to kill and then allow the murderer to go free if they show it lol
Its just comedy ;d
pale sigil
Do you have a loicsense to ask for a loicense
young pecan
Bruh.
dry tendon
Jesus Christ
pale sigil
British license jokes annoy me too
dry tendon
I find em funny but I know that the UK isnt really like that. Still I am happy Ethnix now sees his worldview expand ;d
pale sigil
Like
I like most jokes ahout the UK
Literally most if not almost all
But the license thing just annoys me soooo much for some reason
It's such a weak and cheap joke with no effort
dry tendon
They still have cities dude...
pale sigil
It's not the joke itself j hate it's just how generic and boring it is
dry tendon
Like do you think the Congo doesnt have cities?
Fuck me, far FAR older than Borat though lol
Maybe 300-400 for Burundi
The saddest thing about the British Empire is that the French never invaded Britain to bring civilisation to them 😛
It seems it wasnt enough still.
Would this have brought civilisation to the Brits? No one knows lol
old marlin
By that standard the US is a giga backwater country
ashen spindle
when the plebs are trying to rise up against britannia
old marlin
The saddest thing about the British Empire is that the French never invaded Brit...
They did though
Major changes to the english language
Only reason why people on the internet make fun lf the german language
dry tendon
Yeah, but not late enough. It needed to be done during the 1800s when the British view of the world was forming. Then France could have saved the English
old marlin
You mean like you are 
old marlin
Lol
dry tendon
I guess that is something I can agree with
But its fine to know little
it isnt fine to parade ignorance and arrogance
Or to claim BORAT of all things is a documentary or something
A second-rate movie in a third-rate art form
I dont thing they'd expect people to think a comedy film is a documentary 😛
old marlin
I think they have bigger problems
Like having to fear to be annexed in the next few decades
dry tendon
Then we are overdue a third world war
old marlin
dry tendon
Lets make this one a true Apocalypse so that the people left dont confuse comedies with documentaries ;d 
old marlin
His magnum opus
dry tendon
I havent seen Borat either
old marlin
He will then make a movie on how he conned the entire western world to a world war
old marlin
It is a good movie under the aspect that a lot of it is not staged
dry tendon
I only watch em with my woman lol alone I cant do it.
old marlin
dry tendon
sitting down and watching something = me going insane
this is cooler
that isnt a zombie TBH
its a mutant
To be honest, the best thing about STALKER really is A-Life
That and immersion + setting
I only wish Western / Eastern games actually attempted this
Far Cry and FO4 are like some poor monkey model imitation at this point. Due to their static worlds
Yes but it wont be as great as some of STALKER 1's mods
it may defeat all other AAA games
but that is a low bar
Yeah but its a low bar. It needs to equalize with STALKER NLC 7
to be a GOAT
halcyon moss
of course they are
dry tendon
Yeah. AA games, Indies, and modders are where quality is
halcyon moss
its a silly statement tbh...
trim bloom
dry tendon
Over the past 3 years I bought:
Vega 56, RX 5700, RX 5700 XT, RTX 2070, RTX 2070 Super, RTX 2080, a single RTX 3060 (for scalping), mulitple 2080s for scalping, multiple RX 5700s for scalping, a RX 570, RX 580, RX 6800, RX 6800 XT, RX 6900 XT, RX 6900 XT Red Devil
So do I
I admit to scalping but whatecs
I am a hardware enthusiast
this is the only way I can keep my monkey brain excited with hardware
pale sigil
I sold a cpu that I got by accident a little over msrp
Other than that I wouldn't scalp
Especially buy with the intention to
dry tendon
I now want a 6900 XT LC from AMD
they are sold here
but the price... ugh
Id need to sell something else first else Id feel bad lol
so I am selling the Red Devil now
Meh
the thing is
the PCGH review has the LC as quiet
quieter than reference 6900 XT
despite the radiator
and reference 6900 XT is very quiet actually lol
Red Devil and it are nigh equal which is insane
yeah its cost saving feature but the cooler is indeed good
Red Devil is meme-tier in size
yes
I fit it just fine
its just that
I am loling at the size
Video cards these days are big enough to mount on ICBMs lol
wheat plume
This bothers me.....
Why even go to that hassle to replace a fucking 3070?!!
dry tendon
@wheat plume if the person paid the same it does work out
wheat plume
Is he selling the 3070?
shadow minnow
TBH wish more AiBs attempted to do smaller GPUs this gen, since PCB itself can get pretty small, especially the nvidia FE cards taking advantage of that.
dry tendon
I agree. 3/4 PCB or even 1/2 PCB with a pass-through cooler like Nvidia's FE, or XFX Merc or R9 Fury Nitro = best
old marlin
They don't put on tripple slot thick and 30+ cm long coolers on the cards cause it is funny
shadow minnow
Well, if they have made it similar to 3080 ones.
But also, even most of water cooled cards are at least 30% bigger for basically no reason.
old marlin
And even for htpc there are small cases that can fit massive gpus etc
Iirc there is a short waterblock for the fe cards
Dunno what classifies as htpc for you
But a 15l case would fit one easily
Look how tall that is
shadow minnow
Iirc there is a short waterblock for the fe cards
For them yes, but AIBs could make it even shorter by making it normal shape.
old marlin
Power connectors have a bigger footprint
Yea gg
Smaller than itx means you get ahit cpu perf anyways
Literally the same size as the 3080
It can
Well
The decoding can
The tv does not play video files
young pecan
What card?
In AUD those cards are something nearish 800 AUD.
That'd be MSRP.
Between 700 and 800 for the higher end models.
Yeah nah.
A little less.
550 or so, methinks.
Either way that's horrid.
35% overpay? Awful.
Even 20% is awful.
How is overpaying by 35% not awful?
I'm sure the mods will agree.
I said that overpaying by 35% is horrible.
Doesn't matter what you're buying, that's not a good cost.
Depresso, these days. Ffs COVID.
That's a sad truth right there.
25% overpay being a good deal. :(
ashen spindle
yeah we had some founders dropped last friday here
young pecan
On marketplace they can be had at 10% above.
They're rare, but they do happen.
Yeah, facebook marketplace.
That place full of people near you with no idea what they have.
ashen spindle
could've had a 3090/80 and 70 FE for msrp but drop happened friday while I was doing a presentation 
young pecan
Craigslist, no.
But facebook marketplace is pretty popular.
shrugs You get good deals there.
I don't see how it's purely scalping.
I saw a 3070 a while back there for 1100 AUD.
Rest of em at 1600.
I have 17 3070s, most of which have come from marketplace.
I am living proof to that statement being wrong.
The trick is 3 things.
- Cash pickup (people love that)
- Sob story (pretend to be a poor gamer)
- Attention to the marketplace (good deals vanish QUICKLY)
Means nothing.
We still get fucked by tarrifs.
Yes.
Mostly.
The trick is finding a halfway good deal and using a sob story and cash pickup to force drop the price.
Yep.
I do be sniping them.
Maybe that's scum, but I won't apologize for setting my future up.
Yeah.
Buyer might come back at you and demand it to be fixed.
reef patrol
Personally? No. Mention the state and give them a link and price to a replacement one.
You're just losing money.
young pecan
I'll be honest, it takes a few days.
You keep blowing things out of proportion.
You don't buy things second hand.
Don't claim to have experience when you, by your own words, don't touch it.
Nah, usually I either organize shipping or I drive 40 mins or so.
Victoria has a lot of that, yeah.
shadow minnow
You're just losing money.
Duck still did not show up for 1v1 
reef patrol
Duck still did not show up for 1v1 <a:PepEsAd:608392118636904534>
Sorry - Too busy stalking people in FF14. xD
young pecan
And then use the bag of tricks to lower the price.
shadow minnow
Sorry - Too busy stalking people in FF14. xD
DM when you finish. Was too lazy to add worldedit so spent like 30 minutes preparing the minigame
young pecan
'Cause like... I've purchased maybe 11 cards from Marketplace, all of which are well below the average. About 10 to 15% above.
reef patrol
I feel like I should point out I never had or have any intentions of playing Spleef xD
shadow minnow
I feel like I should point out I never had or have any intentions of playing Spl...
I know. But it’s too late
reef patrol
young pecan
shrugs Hate it all you want, but I'm getting more value than you consistently.
The only reason I even purchased my first 2 cards retail is because I NEEDED them to be brand new to impress investors and do testing.
Once I got my investments it was an easy time.
Lots of driving, but easy.
Basically the same marketplace.
You get HEAPS of scalpers on marketplace here, they're everywhere.
shadow minnow
<a:ablobpainpats:624289563291942942>
If not, I will prepare a spleef arena on next wootmc server and you will have no way to escape from there
But would be great if you joined the server for one 1v1 spleef for fun
young pecan
Not really.
Close friend of mine is in England, the marketplaces are basically the same.
Slightly different in what's on there.
But computer stuff tends to be about the same.
sigh
You didn't lisen.
None of them go for MSRP.
They tend to go for about 20% up at very best, but using a few nifty tools and strats you can push them down to 10%.
I said that initially, moron.
Cash pickup, sob story, choosing their time and location.
Those 3 things are VERY good at dropping prices.
Often I can throw something like 150 off a decent deal.
And if you wanna be a scumbag you can also do cornering.
Not sure why, but people nut at cash pickup.
Used for a month with a warranty, dumbass.
All but new.
Doesn't matter what delusion you try and do here, you didn't want to put effort in so you got shafted.
You went the easy way and got shafted.
Nah. Lotta people are ordering them forever ago and they're arriving months late.
So they order a 3070, it doesn't show up, so they buy a 3080.
And suddenly they just have a 3070 they don't wanna deal with and they can't return either.
So they sell it with receipt.
In comes the sob story and cash.
And hell, why would they return it? They paid maybe 900 for it and you think they're returning that for 900 when they could sell it for 1100 with no effort?
reef patrol
Just leave the conversation mate. No need to passive aggressively go "I BLOCKED THEM, NYAH NYAH"
Cause that isn't helping...
young pecan
Hmm?
reef patrol
I don't care if he's trying to sell you a piece of the moon.
young pecan
If knowing how to find a deal means you get less fucked next time I call it a win.
Honestly I hate that people sell a midrange GPU for more than a car.
Retail, yes.
shadow minnow
MSRP of most GPUs gone up too
young pecan
Being actually serious right now I think we all need to step back and remember what MSRP for a GPU should be.
Can't be letting the AIBs pull a sneaky on us and push em up by a few hundred when everything is back to normal.
If you don't wanna buy used because you're paranoid that's on you, but knowing how to actually do so instead of resigning yourself to the next best deal is a useful piece of knowledge to have.
Lotta people simply find someone and throw in the asking price, why even?
Negotiations. >:D
reef patrol
shadow minnow
It’s even worse than 200$ atm
young pecan
:(
shadow minnow
Yeah. But with 3080s it’s even worse
young pecan
Speaking of 3080s have you managed to locate your unicorn yet?
shadow minnow
Hope that at least 3080 tis will stabilize around nvidia MSRP since price is already too high.
shadow minnow
Speaking of 3080s have you managed to locate your unicorn yet?
Nope. Well, not for less than 1500€ for 3080 model, and 2100€ for ti
crimson wigeon
They won't this is the new normal since people seem happy to pay the inflated prices
young pecan
They won't this is the new normal since people seem happy to pay the inflated pr...
This. :(
wheat plume
My pthon code wont output anything :/ even my print() statements
shadow minnow
Well, that will change. The fact that there are already GPUs staying in stock for days with these prices may mean, that prices will start going soon since people are buying them less
young pecan
Well, that will change. The fact that there are already GPUs staying in stock fo...
It'll change in 3 to 4 years.
Not a chance the AIBs are going to go back down.
ashen spindle
yeah so about that "in stock for days"...
mindfactory almost has no cards anymore after the first site was full of 3080s last week
young pecan
The only GPUs staying in stock for days are 2200 AUD for a 3070.
Imagine trying to sell a Gaming Trio for 2200.
Actually.
shadow minnow
Well, cards not being instantly sold out is still better than nothing.
And may mean price decrease
One day
ashen spindle
yea...
young pecan
What in the fuck. ._.
shadow minnow
;-;
young pecan
You wanna give me your damned postcode and I'll find you one right now?
young pecan
I will log into facebook right this second and VPN my ass over to your shitty backward country.
I will find you one.
wheat plume
LOL
young pecan
rolls eyes
shadow minnow
wheat plume
Hes got 18 of these things, he can find them
young pecan
^
I literally have months of experience just tracing down 3070s.
There's a very particular set of steps for it.
shadow minnow
What about finding me a brand new aorus 3080 ti waterforce wb for 1500€ or less
young pecan
Fuck you, I'm not finding you a shitty nonsense card.
Buy a waterblock.
Gimmie a postcode.
Literally right now. I have Vypr open.
shadow minnow
wheat plume
wots Vypr?
fickle ore
U guys have your undies in knot jeez
young pecan
Save 400 on an $1800 3070Ti. -_-
Bruh, why even umart?
Trying to fool everyone that you have a decent deal.
reef patrol
As much as I hate adding any kind of kindling to this godawful discussion.
Protip : Facebook prices are not final. There's always an element of haggling involved. So take "20% more than retail" posts with a grain of salt.
young pecan
As much as I hate adding any kind of kindling to this godawful discussion.
Prot...
Literally this.
I don't live in Sydney, mate.
Brisbane.
Not super sure on Sydney, but I imagine prices would be lower there.
It's all rich boys flaunting their shit.
ashen spindle
fickle ore
One thing I agree with Ethnix.. Buying used mined cards are is just a no-no, even with a -10-20% off
Never.
young pecan
Long term cards? Yeah, agreed.
reef patrol
My take - As long as there's a retail receipt and you're in the EU. Fuck it. As good as retail.
young pecan
But a month or two old? That's fine.
young pecan
My take - As long as there's a retail receipt and you're in the EU. Fuck it. As ...
This.
That works in Aus too because we have bloodthirsty consumer protection here.
reef patrol
But also - I am that dude who literally bought an HP Omen to get a 3080...and sold off the Omen xD
fickle ore
My take - As long as there's a retail receipt and you're in the EU. Fuck it. As ...
@wheat plume Does the "EU" even help anymore, some manufacturers void warranty if used for mining/plotting
young pecan
Mate, gimmie some sort of UK postcode.
reef patrol
<@!361968952592826378> Does the "EU" even help anymore, some manufacturers void ...
You don't talk to manufacturers in the EU, you send it to the seller.
young pecan
<@!361968952592826378> Does the "EU" even help anymore, some manufacturers void ...
Voiding warranty by mining or plotting is illegal over there. :P
Asus already lost several arbitrations to that.
reef patrol
If THEY choose to send it to the manufacturer that's on them. And sure - You might have to sue the seller using consumer rights orgs in rare cases.
reef patrol
My personal experience if the seller makes a stink. I will quote them my rights and inform them that I will happily pay the 40$ fee to win a case over a 1200$ product 😄
young pecan
Iirc voiding warranty for mining is also illegal in the UK, no?
reef patrol
Nine out of Ten times sellers are grandstanding, hoping to scare you off.
young pecan
I wanna see how legit they made it.
Some people are pretty clever.
Shouldn't have.
Should have called up your government consumer protection office and pointed the finger.
Do that once and the bloodhounds go out.
Doesn't matter.
You have a receipt and screenshots, that's enough for consumer protection to get pissed at ebay.
And believe me, if they're pissed at ebay it won't take long.
Deeds to the mortgage?
What?
Wait wait.
Deeds to the mortgage?
What?
What the fuck?
How?
And why?
What, the deed to the mortgage?
Like the thing that says he legally has the mortgage?
The paperwork to confirm by which he now owns the mortgage to a home, as in a physical building to store your shit in?
Why the hell would that be on ebay?
And why do you have it?
For what possible reason? Defo a first I've heard of it.
...
fickle ore
I would
young pecan
I'd contact the Department of Consumer Affairs and tell them I was scammed.
fickle ore
1k is a lot of money.
young pecan
From there I'd have my money back in a week or two.
DOCA doesn't fuck around.
No shit?
What the fuck, UK?
fickle ore
^
young pecan
You guys gotta move to Aus.
We have a legendary consumer protection department here.
fickle ore
Consumer protection wasnt gonna do jack shit when amazon tried to scam me hehe
young pecan
No company willingly fucks with it.
Ours have sued Asus, Amazon, Gigabyte, and a host of other companies for stupid bullshit.
Asus famously tried denying an RMA because the person broke the warranty void if removed seal which isn't legal in Aus, so DOCA promptly took them to court when they tried to put up a fuss.
I consider a grand the threshold of serious violence as psychotic.
Be civil.
fickle ore
lots of useless personal opinions, people do what they want to do..
young pecan
You're gonna go grievously wound someone because you lost a grand?
fickle ore
You're gonna go grievously wound someone because you lost a grand?
Why not
young pecan
That's what we call "Go to jail and don't leave, retard" in civil places.
We have systems to get your money back.
And we have police as well.
All that means is I wouldn't trust you with anything, tbh.
I would actively not trust you to be civil in a normal sense if losing a grand is what it takes for you to nearly kill someone.
No, no it doesn't.
If you go to almost kill someone with the intend to kill them should they not hand your money back we call that a criminal charge and you do jail time for 30 years.
Violence isn't a resort for you, bud.
It's a resort for people in positions to defend other people.
But not to do a job that doesn't need it.
That's called being a complete fucking degenerate.
No wonder the UK is so fucked up.
Oh I do, but I don't believe in killing a man to get what amounts to little money.
I believe in not being an inhumane bastard when I wanna get what I want.
This.
Have a plan, don't actively do it for getting scammed.
young pecan
Fine fine.
@last cave Something something graphics card.
Woke, ok. Basic defense of your property is woke now somehow. Alright.
Look at this nonsense.
Normal 3070, defo LHR model, for 1600 and apparently you're saving 600.
And it's a shitty gigabyte card as well.
Murder doesn't really scale to that, buddy.
Getting scammed is not grounds to become a justified murderer.
-_-
Y'know what kinghitting is?
dry tendon
Generally, people who come from a poorer (in terms of money!) background place more value on property and their own money than people coming from richer backgrounds.
My father would likely shoot someone several times if he caught them stealing something from us
I would not 😛
But... I dont think that defending your own property is bad so IDK
young pecan
Defending your shit is fine, but uhh.
Don't literally murder someone because you're a moron and have no self control.
dry tendon
Stealing can be seen as stealing someone else's time and passion. Money is time. Time is money. For someone who for example took years to save up for a car, the act of having that thing stolen is like an attack on your self.
It is like that person stole your time
AND/or your passion for said thing
so extreme violence technically makes sense to me
even if morally it is wrong
young pecan
Give me a postcode and I will literally prove you wrong.
Any postcode, just need a stick somewhere near civilization.
Then give me ANY postcode nearish to a city in the UK.
I don't even give a fuck where.
And why do I care? Postcode can be on the other side of the country for all I care.
Idk UK postcodes.
Aus postcodes are 4 digits.
fickle ore
even if morally it is wrong
this is probably not true
dry tendon
Depends on the moral framework. From an Orthodox framework, murder is wrong @fickle ore
young pecan
But it'll probably place me somewhere nonsense.
Idk, lemme load it up.
We'll see where the luck lands me.
fickle ore
Depends on the moral framework. From an Orthodox framework, murder is wrong <@!2...
Hence.. 😛
dry tendon
Saying STALKER NLC7 is bad deserves execution
young pecan
Maybe in degenerate lands with nothing in the way of civility.
We talking criminal rings and shit? Sure, why not.
But random ebay scammers, which is where this originated? Bruh.
dry tendon
Maybe in degenerate lands with nothing in the way of civility.
If you go to such lengths, then you will need to defend full pacifism
Dont you guys have sites other than ebay btw?
young pecan
If you go to such lengths, then you will need to defend full pacifism
Sadly that can't work, but I do a middle ground.
It's like guns, I don't believe every jackass should be allowed to own one because most people are irresponsible dickheads.
But should police and people putting themselves in real danger? Probably, yeah.
fickle ore
morality and financial safety are usually mutually exclusive
dry tendon
Sadly that can't work, but I do a middle ground.
Then dont use such absolute language
reef patrol
Again - A reminder that leaving a conversation is not illegal, if you don't like it. 😄
young pecan
Then dont use such absolute language
Fair point.
You're right.
Didn't catch myself, should have.
This is more of a meme rage thing.
General tends to be random shit, meme rage tends to be full of hot discussion.
I wasn't the one trying to get everyone to say you made a good choice. shrugs
fickle ore
I STILL don't get the point of 6800 xt -> 3070 ti
like what
even thinking about it is already wasted time/money
dry tendon
the dude made money off this
young pecan
Ffs. I need to make a throwaway account.
dry tendon
that is why he did it
fickle ore
Jesus just work couple hours overtime get that much
u spent more time just figuring the logistics
dry tendon
Sometimes figuring the logistics is part of the fun
shadow minnow
I think that the time spent arguing in tech talk would be enough in some good job to pay the difference off. Over 2000 messages
young pecan
fickle ore
deduct the time to install/deinstall/clean/package/drive to post office/discuss with seller 😄
young pecan
Here's a 3070Ti I could push down $100.
Already better than your deal and it's brand new.
Not even 30 seconds of looking.
fickle ore
uff, giving some rando my house access in case he's a psycho is already worth not having the 300€
young pecan
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/4553877704636764/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A725ab6d6-e560-46fb-b40b-e84a5c39732c Here's a 3070Ti FE for almost as much as you paid. One could easily push $50 off and it'd be better.
dry tendon
uff, giving some rando my house access in case he's a psycho is already worth no...
Just come out with a shotgun AND the GPU both
fickle ore
and he has ur street/house number
young pecan
Gimmie a few more mins.
dry tendon
and he has ur street/house number
you will wear his skin for the next buyer to see
young pecan
Why is he selling it? He has a 3080Ti now.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/856384461942274/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A725ab6d6-e560-46fb-b40b-e84a5c39732c And a Zotac Holo 3070Ti, you could barter this one down with cash pickup.
Then you contact them and ask for photos.
Second hand market isn't unreasonable.
And hell, you could simply say "Yeah, you're 90 miles away and I'm ok doing cash pickup, can you drop the price a little since fuel costs will eat at me a little bit? I've been trying to make a gaming PC for a while now"
Nah, that one you could probably do 100 on.
Yes, in my reality (we both live in it), I'd know since I buy these for a living.
Eh, for a good deal it's not too bad.
He'd need to drop it quite hard, however.
But show a sob story and do cash pickup? It's not unreasonable that you get a buy.
And hell, you can ask for warranty.
He'll probably send you a digital receipt.
Those are accepted.
Look, you're trying to find reasons it's not a good idea and I've spend 5 minutes on UK marketplace and found good deals. How? It's exactly the same as normal marketplace in Aus.
fickle ore
Ampere Sampler feedback feature level tier is 0.9 vs RDNA 2.0's tier 1.0.. If you care about DirectStorage and I/O performance :B
young pecan
Ampere Sampler feedback feature level tier is 0.9 vs RDNA 2.0's tier 1.0.. If yo...
Dag, no.
Don't tempt me with DirectStorage.
The nut is too strong
wheat plume
"What's your main language?"
"oh, it's Brainfuck"Yeah, you aint going to get many jobs on that one
Egee - 2021
young pecan
They literally are better.
Cost less money for something you could have same day.
With a warranty.
In no universe is overpaying for something better than not overpaying for it.
The buyer protection is you go and pick it up with cash after you haggle down the price.
You can also ask for evidence.
shadow minnow
TBH considering the price difference and it only being possible to be that, don’t think it was such a bad deal. Especially since it takes away most risks.
young pecan
TBH considering the price difference and it only being possible to be that, don’...
See?
Not such a bad deal for what you got.
But you can have better.
Ain't that the goal of life? Good, but shoot for better?
ashen spindle
that's not something an AiB can decide
young pecan
And in damn near all countries that's not actually legal.
So if an AIB wants to fuck around they can find out.
ashen spindle
and just from the UK leaving the EU it's not like every single consumer law got changed instantly
young pecan
They cannot.
Consumer protection and warranty is decided by the country itself and the AIBs adhere to local law if they want to sell there.
So no, they cannot.
ashen spindle
if anything the retailer could maybe decide it, not the AiB
young pecan
Take Xiaomi, for example.
They tried to not adhere to American law.
Trump told them to collectively fuck off.
That's illegal.
solar hinge
i've done that in like the past 3 months :p
fickle ore
@ashen spindle https://microsoft.github.io/DirectX-Specs/d3d/ViewInstancing.html how important is this for games
young pecan
The product is under warranty so long as the period of time it's been owned outside of the store is under the specified warranty period.
Transferring ownership of the product does not invalidate the warranty.
Dude, read up by one line.
Terms and conditions that must adhere to the law of the country.
If they don't they're in violation of the law and thus you can yeet them into a courtroom.
ashen spindle
<@!150712028217081866> https://microsoft.github.io/DirectX-Specs/d3d/ViewInstanc...
ask me in 10 years when I might be senior dev and not junior lmao
young pecan
So did Asus.
shadow minnow
Well, depends on laws of your country
fickle ore
@ashen spindle https://andrewcjp.wordpress.com/2019/07/09/view-instancing-in-directx-12/ homework for u
young pecan
You know right that the UK has pretty good consumer protection law?
It's not as good as Aus, but it's by no means bad.
ashen spindle
m8 that's something I'd need to know if I were working AT unity not with unity
fickle ore
You need to know everything!
shadow minnow
shadow minnow
“It doesn't matter whether you bought the item new or secondhand - you'll still have rights.”
ashen spindle
the cases where a single low level instruction matters in a game, is so unlikely because in every case you have some higher level bottlenecks
shadow minnow
Still it’s illegal, read what I have linked. UK law is what matters.
“It doesn't matter whether you bought the item new or secondhand - you'll still have rights.”
reef patrol
I've always found this logic so weird. Warranty follows the sale receipt in the EU, not the owner 😄
young pecan
Yeah no, @shadow minnow is right here.
You still have standard rights.
Standard warranty applies.
I'll go locate a better link.
shadow minnow
But you would possibly have to sue them since the website claims otherwise. So yeah, not sure if I would risk it tbh.
What matters is what government says
But we don’t exactly know. But it most likely should be transferable
young pecan
I'm tracking down the law there now.
Here you go.
Basically if you buy something second hand you can return it within 30 days fault free, and within 6 months provided you give the manufacturer the opportunity to repair it.
And within 6 months you can return it after letting the seller attempt to repair or replace it.
Read the rest of the page, idiot.
Though with that said the warranty itself canbe transferred in certain areas and under certain warranty conditions.
Such as the type of warranty (service warranty versus goods warranty).
shadow minnow
young pecan
It counts for all second hand items.
Generally second hand goods.
If you buy something second hand under the warranty period you can pretty easily just get them to replace it assuming you have proof of purchase.
Business, trader, or charity shop.
Gray markets when buyer/seller protection is enacted would class as traders.
Ergo this still works.
Yes, if you don't know what you're doing or how to do it.
Most, if not all, companies do not want to fuck around with your business like that.
It's not worthwhile.
They'd rather take the hit and have continued business.
In theory yes, in practice a business is not going to refuse you because it makes a bad precedent and guarantees they won't get repeat business and word of mouth.
See, in Aus there's a company called AddictedToAudio and they're great. Why?
They treat the customer well, it's god tier.
Their rep is that good that they stay afloat without advertising anything.
No company is going to trade fantastic word of mouth for an occasional 2 grand.
Hell, any decent seller actually factors that into their yearly spending.
So is it a risk to buy second hand? Yes.
Is it a big risk? God no.
Especially if you use buyer/seller protection, in that case you can simply use consumer law to demand your money back from the facebook dude.
Mhmm, completely agreed.
Bit of a shame that those good deals are all over the place in your marketplace then, eh?
Nope.
Go through paypal, they do cover that.
Or setup a listing on ebay.
Or do bank transfer with a business number.
Normally, yeah.
But if you tie it into a business number then you, by default, have protection on account that it's a shown legal transaction.
Nobody wants to fuck around with business numbers, not even in the UK.
Not really.
It breaks and they'll replace it but only under certain conditions if they can prove it themselves and they won't take your word for it and if they can do a sloppy repair job they'll do that first.
Kinda eh.
Assuming you don't fuck around with it or damage it in any way.
And also assuming they are satisfied with the results when they get it.
shadow minnow
the funniest thing about these over 2500 messages, and few hours of discussion is, that it ultimately won’t change anything since ethnix has already bought the GPU
young pecan
<:pepeLaughCorn:585822058794188811> the funniest thing about these over 2500 mes...
'Course not. I just enjoy debate.
Hmm. Gimmie a second real quick.
fair gull
that leaves 2%
shadow minnow
Look for electronics in general then
young pecan
There are heaps of cards.
I was just picking them out at random.
EVGA, Zotac, Asus, MSI, etc.
All were there.
Then you aren't looking very well.
I saw literally 40 of the things in a matter of minutes.
Checked within 500KM.
young pecan
Well here's a PDF on the failure rate of Titans in a server.
This is the best I can locate for MTBF on GPUs.
It's called shipping, dumbass.
solar hinge
it's an FE cards 😄 so the founders edition
young pecan
That's why you enact consumer protection like a big brain.
Buyer protection is easily had.
pale sigil
Quinn is a filthy miner too
young pecan
It's called paypal, idiot.
Or ebay.
Or business transactions.
Whichever you choose. They all work.
young pecan
@solar hinge You mine?
solar hinge
besides that, i have a 3090FE, zotac 3090, 3080FE, zotac white 3070 and zotac black 3070
additionally i have bought a 3070FE and 3080FE for friends
shadow minnow
@pale sigil bot not work 😦
pale sigil
@shadow minnow ik
shadow minnow
we saw your failure
Also failed at getting a GPU I want
young pecan
Also failed at getting a GPU I want <a:PepEsAd:608392118636904534>
We've been over this.
You're watercooling anyway, buy a block.
shadow minnow
And still no mobo or cpu replacement
pale sigil
!cookie
reef patrol
When the warranty discussion is still going on an hour later.
reef patrol
young pecan
@shadow minnow https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-vector-strix-rtx-3080-3090-d-rgb-nickel-plexi This works with any Strix 3080.
ANY.
You could have whatever one you want!
:O
solar hinge
pale sigil
He wants fancy screens on his GPU
pale sigil
Ye
shadow minnow
I forgot to re add the command
Also devbot down too
reef patrol
@solar hinge's home office at this point
solar hinge
i do have one more friend who wants a 3080, so i'm trying to get that one for him. i did talk him out of getting a 3080TI, because that'"s a waste of money
pale sigil
1440p 144fps aaa+ is mostly a lie tho
solar hinge
ow i forgot the 3060TI FE that's coming today 😄
pale sigil
Also devbot down too <a:PepEsAd:608392118636904534>
Dev bot only goes up during dev lol
shadow minnow
Dev bot only goes up during dev lol
But it has some commands this one does not
young pecan
nah man, i pay 730 for a 3080FE :p
Where'd you get it?
shadow minnow
Well, the main thing is to readd !cookie
solar hinge
well, maybe 850 , but not more than that
pale sigil
solar hinge
i live in belgium and the netherlands. so LDLC.com and Notebooksbilliger.de
those two deal with nvidia direct drops, for belgiuum and the netherlands
shadow minnow
Now we know how Quinn affords all that food
young pecan
Good place to be for mining, damn.
Wish I could grab cards at actual MSRP frequently.
solar hinge
Now we know how Quinn affords all that food <a:lull:821815530431971358>
nah man, the scalping cards to other miners 😄
pale sigil
I've been scan a few times physically
But ye their delivery is almost always next day if you order before 6pm
Haha ye but scan are just as bad
I get free delivery tho with ocuk which is neat for some cheap smaller items
Well can be I mean
Just as bad
Scans 3080 proves are terrible
You paid £780 for a 3070?!?!?
Ye my bad but still
Fuck that
I got my 3080 for £833
And I thought that was a lot
solar hinge
HAHAHAHAHHA Scan.co.uk... they basically allow bots on their website 😄
i'm in the UK mining discord, they love scan, because it's easy mode for their bots 😄
and they are aware of it 😄
solar hinge
just join the discord and you get pings 😄
shadow minnow
I got my 3080 for £833
I mean, yeah, it is lot for 3070, but also MSRPs have gone up a lot lately.
solar hinge
amd is easy to get the reference models at MSRP
because AMD sells directly and do their best to keep bots away
wintry cedar
3070 and 3070 Ti are bad buys
young pecan
Tbh I'd rather find a super cheap 1080Ti and just wait for next gen. I think that's the play.
Next gen is gonna cost HEAPS.
Wise to save for it.
Yeah no.
That's defo either 1660s or 3060Tis.
Yes, new.
wintry cedar
Slower than 6800, insufficient VRAM is prone to stutter in 1440p ray traced games or at 4k in general
young pecan
1660 or 3060Ti.
wintry cedar
3060 Ti is one of NVIDIA's worst cards due to its VRAM configuration for the price
but yeah availability is the difference here
young pecan
3060 Ti is one of NVIDIA's worst cards due to its VRAM configuration for the pri...
If you find a drop it's not bad.
The VRAM lets it compete reasonably well.
Defo not the best, not by a long shot.
But the value is quite good near MSRP.
rolls eyes Why even bother talking scalper prices and value?
fickle ore
@wintry cedar and 6700 xt?
young pecan
Once it gets to the point where mining on it at the most profitable nets you a 9 month ROI the value proposition goes out the window.
If you can do the mining math and hit 4 month ROI you have good value.
wintry cedar
*rolls eyes* Why even bother talking scalper prices and value?
Because it's all we have at the moment sadly
young pecan
Second hand. :D
Super rarely for actual MSRP.
So I wouldn't really count proper MSRP as existing rn.
In theory, but I suppose one could also win the lottery.
wintry cedar
<@!472810782422204416> and 6700 xt?
Good card for MSRP, though the MSRP is on the high side for what it is
fickle ore
Good card for MSRP, though the MSRP is on the high side for what it is
They have the same VRAM size tho, but you deemed 3060TI bad so I just wondered