🔌│tech

[crisp granite]

is this a failed ghostping?

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-error-messag-fail-message-huge-fail-fail-meter-gif-16618158

[crisp granite]

@pale sigil...

so not cool

[pale sigil]

@crisp graniteas in check your hwinfo

ignore

my temps are pretty cozy

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/greymon55/status/1418454047888138241 ey, slight chance we get zen4 in Q3 and not Q4 of next year (very slight)

Greymon55 (@greymon55)

I can also confirm that AMD's early 5nm package validation has also started in China. https://t.co/lwVtgemXvR

Twitter · Jul 23, 2021, 6:12 AM

[pale sigil]

Fuck ye

Doubt B550 will work very well with it tho

[ashen spindle]

huh?

zen4 is AM5, neither b550 nor x570 will work at all

[zenith sonnet]

Make sure you only use slots 1 and 2 when testing, @pale sigil

[pale sigil]

Wait what

[zenith sonnet]

According to the QVL your memory is only guaranteed to work in those two slots

[pale sigil]

But then it wouldn't boot

[young pecan]

It’s done lads, the new lab.

Home Lab 2.0. :D

Wonderful in it’s jank and awful design. 👌

[pale sigil]

Ew miner

[young pecan]

:D

[ashen spindle]

ewww, split monitors with a mic in the middle?

[young pecan]

Planning on getting a G9 soon, but I needed more screen.

[pale sigil]

What GPUs did you steal from gamers

[young pecan]

3070s. 17 of them. :P

[pale sigil]

Christ

[vapid zodiac]

[young pecan]

Mate, I purchased them from gamers with the skill of haggling.

[pale sigil]

How do you even grt them

[young pecan]

Haggling.

[pale sigil]

Like irs impossible

To get them

[young pecan]

Nah.

[pale sigil]

In the UK at least

[young pecan]

You just need to check second hand sites.

[wheat plume]

O.o

Can I haz one?

[young pecan]

I mean hell, if I had a more stable rep here I’d offer to buy and ship them.

[pale sigil]

Lad they are like £900-1000

[young pecan]

Not like I can afford them all for my farm.

Sadly. :(

[young pecan]

What’s that in AUD?

[pale sigil]

I want a 3070 and sell my 3080

Lmao

[young pecan]

Something like 1500 to 1600?

[pale sigil]

1.8k aud

[young pecan]

Lmfao

I mean, I have a dude that has 7 of the things to sell. I can see about shipping one if you want it.

[pale sigil]

Where ere you

[young pecan]

1.3 to 1.4k AUD or so.

Brisbane, he’s down in Melbourne.

[ashen spindle]

I would've been able to get a 3090 and 3080 at stock prices yesterday

but the drop happend while I was doing a presentation

[young pecan]

Tragic.

[pale sigil]

Ha

Shipping them to the UK

Also tbf a similar thing happened

There was a 3070 drop for £459

Mad

[young pecan]

Dude, the miners are so quiet now.

I don't even hear the constant REeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEeeEeeEEEEEE of the server PSUs.

@pale sigil Yo, gimmie a UK postcode so I can estimate shipping.

[ashen spindle]

it was the first FE drop in like 3 or 4 weeks too, so would've been ez resell money

[pale sigil]

no to scalping

Naughty

[ashen spindle]

pfft I got 3 cards for MSRP price for friends

[young pecan]

Quin, I'm a friend.

[ashen spindle]

any more I'm entitled to get something ontop

[pale sigil]

"ez resell money"

[young pecan]

Quick, buy me MSRP cards.

For the...

gaming.

Yes.

Gaming.

[pale sigil]

Ye but me msrp card too

But actually for Gaming

[young pecan]

I mean...

Buy me a 3090 MSRP and I'll actually game on it.

That has enough VRAM.

[reef patrol]

And then burn it out on New World.

[pale sigil]

I feel bad playing Minecraft on a 3080

[ashen spindle]

well shipping/import would be a big hit in either cases

[young pecan]

Implying I'd actually play New World.

[pale sigil]

Oh

I forgot about imports

[young pecan]

Eh, even with imports it's likely more reasonable than buying a 3090 here.

[wheat plume]

Trade me for my 1660 instead ;)

[shadow minnow]

Dw, gonna do that to when I get 3080/ti

[wheat plume]

get Bedrock and use them RTX shaders :P

[shadow minnow]

Tbh kinda prefer seus ptgi

[wheat plume]

Why dont they make non RTX shaders so the plebs with non RTX cards can play with shaders too? ;-;

[young pecan]

I'll sell you a Gigabyte Eagle 3080 if you want.

Non LHR.

[pale sigil]

@young pecan so ye no £129

For import fees etc

And delivery

XD

[young pecan]

Painful.

[pale sigil]

All rtx shaders aren't rtx

[zenith sonnet]

Why would Nvidia do that?

[young pecan]

Just pay somone to do a condom smuggle.

👌

[pale sigil]

And can be run by anyone

[wheat plume]

On Bedrock you can only have shaders with the RTX cards

[shadow minnow]

Issue is, I am looking for exact model of card. First was thinking of at least two, waterforce wb 3080 or ti, but since 4K and mods can eat a lot of vram, which can have huge impact if you consume too much vram, don’t wanna risk 3080

[pale sigil]

Well ye

But

Lana

[young pecan]

That's why nobody plays bedrock.

[pale sigil]

They are fucking terrible

[wheat plume]

its better for servers and things

[shadow minnow]

Well continuum afaik had update where it now is.

[young pecan]

YOU CAN PUT A WATERBLOCK ON ANY CARD, BROSKI.

._.

[pale sigil]

Also lana

Lana

Lannaaaaa

[wheat plume]

yo

[timid chasm]

dangerzone

[wheat plume]

🤦🏼‍♀️

[pale sigil]

1660 can actually do RTZ

[shadow minnow]

I mean, it is possible to have vanilla servers with Java/bedrock cross play

[pale sigil]

Just poo same with 1000 series cards

[young pecan]

No, no it is not.

[shadow minnow]

I mean, one thing it’s better for is performance

[pale sigil]

Paying for every game mode is not better lana...

[young pecan]

Bedrock can't have plugins which is where 99% of the general server stability and functionality comes from.

[wheat plume]

Yeah it is, you can run a fuick ton more players on less hardwaree than Java

[shadow minnow]

But some bugs really suck. Also that *

[young pecan]

No?

[shadow minnow]

Yes

[wheat plume]

Thats why HiveMC killed its Java server,

[shadow minnow]

Bedrock is more efficient

[young pecan]

Where did you hear that?

[pale sigil]

They wanted $8 off me for sky islands or w.e its called

[young pecan]

Bedrock is easier to scale, that's the benefit.

[pale sigil]

Hive killed it for money

They get a lot more income

[shadow minnow]

Unfortunate. Used to play on hive, sometimes quite a lot. Dropper, TIMV… it sucks they killed it.

[pale sigil]

And im pretty sure a cut off when a user buys access to a gsme mode or skins

Bedrock is wonderfully bad

[young pecan]

Honestly, java is just so far better.

[young pecan]

This.

[shadow minnow]

I mean mostly, but Java has its issues

[pale sigil]

Like bedrock is amazing

[wheat plume]

The deathrun on Bedrock too easy ;-;

[pale sigil]

But really bad

[young pecan]

Nobody was asking for Minecraft but free shit is now microtransactions.

-_-

[pale sigil]

I just want java mc to be remade into bedrock

Same freedom I msan

Imagine mods and freedom in bedrock

[young pecan]

I just want Java to be redone in C++.

That's it.

No other change.

[wheat plume]

Then it would be Windows exclusive

[pale sigil]

No bs marketplace

[wheat plume]

on PC

[young pecan]

I do not even care.

The people on other platforms can either get shafted or just use a VM or compatibility layer.

Sounds like a not me problem.

[shadow minnow]

Especially the efficiency of bedrock with render distance

[wheat plume]

Actually, Android version runs 100% perfectly on Linux

so yeah, I guess

[pale sigil]

Ngl

[shadow minnow]

It is a problem. There are quite a few mc players on macOS

[wheat plume]

^^

[pale sigil]

It blows me away playing bedrock at 60FPS

[young pecan]

I did say compatibility layer.

[pale sigil]

On my phone

[shadow minnow]

Would it really though? There are c++ games that can run on macOS afaik

[wheat plume]

And use the Android port on Linux

The game runs fine but the launcher is a piece of shit janky mess

If you get it to work, then the game launches fine

[pale sigil]

Literally still blows me away

[wheat plume]

at higher render distance too!

[pale sigil]

And yes old version

Its cracked

Cos I'm terrible

[ashen spindle]

change to game would make it not work on mac? oh no poor 5 people playing it on mac

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[shadow minnow]

Question is, since continuum has to already redo a lot of stuff to get rtx working, possibly even their own graphics engine. So maybe they could make more efficient shaders.

[shadow minnow]

Actually there is a real number of mc players on macOS, especially with mc being such a widespread game.

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle xD bexin wands a world

[wheat plume]

there is 9 people I know, and thats just me xd Im surte there are a fuck ton of Mac players

[shadow minnow]

One thing I really like about bedrock is trees in snowy biomes having silver leafs

[ashen spindle]

yeah probably same % that the rocket league userbase was, which was 0.3% on non windows platform

[shadow minnow]

Nope, would say at least 5%. Definitely 1%

[wheat plume]

Minecraft is MUCH MUCH more popular than RL

ffs man xd

[ashen spindle]

yes and?

how does the total ammount matter in terms of relative %?

[zenith sonnet]

Of course, bedrock still only has a unchangeable 4 chunk sim distance

It sucks, big time

Nobody with more than two brain cells would run a bedrock server

[young pecan]

This.

Bedrock is hell for any server admin.

No plugins, no mods, limited backend options, etc.

It's shitbox.

[shadow minnow]

Because macOS users usually don’t play that many games, so there is a lot higher chance of them playing just more widespread games. Also mc being easier to run. And many people that don’t play other games much, which is especially on macOS play mc. And lana knowing 9 people is an example, that is not most likely just 0.3%

[ashen spindle]

yes but that isn't something you can find unless mojan/ms would post about it publicly

no, lana knowing 9 people is the perfect example of cognitive bias/survivorship bias

[shadow minnow]

So let’s ask how many people lana knows who play rl on macOS

[wheat plume]

0

none of those 9 people play RL

2 of them used to

fucking true .-.

[ashen spindle]

I'm making fun of macos not being the best for gaming and making something better for 99% at the cost of 1% is almost always the correct way

that's all

[shadow minnow]

Well, nowadays with M1 for photo editing it sometimes makes more sense. But yeah, there are many people buying macs for dumb reasons, like just brand. But that’s especially true with iPhones

[ashen spindle]

yes ideally you can use whatever, but I don't thing it's realistic nor the right way

[shadow minnow]

Sure, but for games as big as mc

[ashen spindle]

having thousands of dev hours wasted on supporting every extra linux kernel in existance over making new content

sounds like a bad idea

big game doesn't matter unless you can show me the % of players on mac is also big

1% is 1% regardless if you have 100 or 100million players

[shadow minnow]

Sure, but it’s lot easier to allocate devs to it when you have 100m. Even 1 million is a lot, they paying 20 million €

^

[ashen spindle]

yes but in this case supporting 1000 more people, also means you have 9 million instead of 99 people who can't get a better experience because you wanted to include everyone

[pale sigil]

Iron is an abomination now js

[timid chasm]

Mobile is an abomination

[shadow minnow]

Not really. With mc budget it does not really affect it much.
Tbh kinda surprised how long cliffs update takes since modders with lot smaller teams have made great biome modes in less

[pale sigil]

And caves existed for years already

[ashen spindle]

I'm not even close to saying mac/linux should flat out not be supported, just if it is too much work it is absolutely the correct decision to cut it out as long as the playerbase on it is not massive, you're just rushing to defent apple again

[pale sigil]

And also nether update

[timid chasm]

Give me a game like Minecraft that looks nothing like Minecraft and I'd be semi-content

[pale sigil]

All existed years before via mods

[timid chasm]

I despise the cubes, personally

[shadow minnow]

Thing is, mc is not 1000 times as hard to get to macOS as to game with 1000 times less players. So it’s “easier” for the devs to get it to macOS compared to small games.

[ashen spindle]

what

[timid chasm]

If it came at the cost of getting 300 fps I'd care less, I think, but for the performance you get, ugh

[zenith sonnet]

Valheim, unironically

[ashen spindle]

I have no clue what you tried to say

[timid chasm]

Space Engineers doesn't do it well tbh. Most games don't. Valheim does it decently I guess

We're still a long ways off to making my perfect survival game though I'm sure

[zenith sonnet]

Doesn't MC work natively on MacOS anyway, because java?

Why? Java is objectively superior

[wheat plume]

Yeah but its laggier

and heavier to run

[timid chasm]

objectively superior in what way though

[wheat plume]

If it was moved to another language but wasnt locked down to only being able to buy stuff from the store like Bedrock is, that would be the dream

[zenith sonnet]

Bedrock still hasn't reached feature parity

[wheat plume]

Some features behave differently also

[zenith sonnet]

That, too

Also, 4 chunk Sim distance is a deal breaker

[wheat plume]

I notive that playing custom maps

The custom models load in really close to you

[shadow minnow]

This means that you have more profit, and developing for macOS will most likely make you money with game like mc, which you can then actually use to improve game more. Just gotta have more devs

[ashen spindle]

or have the same people work on making new things that the other 99% can enjoy, which will cause more sales than having the other 1% be able to aplay most likely

[zenith sonnet]

I don't think porting to MacOC makes sense if you can't expect at least 10.000 sales on the platform, probably more

[shadow minnow]

Not if you hire new devs to develop for macOS. Which in case of mc would very likely pay itself, since 1 million is a lot

[ashen spindle]

yeah or you hire new devs to work on another set of new features instead

same thing

[timid chasm]

Unles the 1% of players is the 1% 😛

[shadow minnow]

True. If you aren’t making universal app from start at least. If you can get that many sales however.

[shadow minnow]

Nope, improving game like mc most likely won’t make you as much money as porting it to macOS. And again, you could do that, however, you can also hire devs to port it to macOS, with so many players making profit, that you could use to hire even more devs for base of the game to improve, that you otherwise could not

[ashen spindle]

you can repeat it over and over again and it wont change

unless you can provide a solid number that shows how much it would make, it's just wild speculation

and any estimates that one can make from other games in similar situtation points to the exact opposite

that doesn't mean it would be the exact same, but it means there isn't any point to stand on to argue otherwise

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/3KPY-gjmHWA

[reef tundra]

The marketing video alone told enough that it is a scam.

[zenith sonnet]

https://twitter.com/KittyYYuko/status/1418086308006686720

Yuko Yoshida (@KittyYYuko)

Navi31は6x10になると確信していますが、どのように構築されているのかわかりません。
Navi33については、今年の第4四半期にテープアウトする

Twitter · Jul 22, 2021, 5:51 AM

15k shader cores

I'd be doubtful, but after Threadripper... you know, if they can do it, they will

[crimson wigeon]

Gimmedat

[zenith sonnet]

https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/07/23/measuring-zen-3s-bottlenecks/

[vagrant pagoda]

mc java can run faster than bedrock with optifine and speed shaders

[wheat plume]

dafuq are speed shaders?

[young pecan]

The fuck is a speed shader?

Presumably higher performance shaders, but you don't really use shaders for that.

That's mostly up to mods like Lithium, Phosphor, FoamFix, and Optifine.

Never underestimate the craziness that is Phosphor.

Or Lithium, for that matter.

[vagrant pagoda]

the LiNa + Phosphor is nuts on something like a pi

[zenith sonnet]

Interesting

[vagrant pagoda]

is that just because of cache hitS?

[zenith sonnet]

Past the first level cache, RDNA 2’s L1 and L2 offer lower latency than Ampere’s L2. Infinity Cache isn’t as low latency as we first thought. It looks to have around 156 ns latency, making it about 15 ns farther away than Ampere’s L2. It still does quite well for such a large cache, and should provide benefits beyond preventing a VRAM bandwidth bottleneck. Requests served at lower latency from Infinity Cache will mean RDNA 2 doesn’t have to hide as much latency.

[vagrant pagoda]

i would like to see the same chart

but 6800 vs 6900

ive always wondered if have more cores with the same memory configuration bottlenecks

[zenith sonnet]

That's using different tests, though

[young pecan]

Interesting.

[vagrant pagoda]

they mean strix?

oh

they are talking about the load

so that isnt even apples to apples

[zenith sonnet]

Nope, literally, their old vs their new testing pattern :p

Random is more accurate

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah what dose it look like with the same

[zenith sonnet]

Should be identical

It's cache and memory latency

[reef patrol]

[thick elk]

Depends on your system

Reminds me I still need to finish botw on cemu sometime

[vagrant pagoda]

why are you playing the wiiu version?

Ryujinx is better looking

[fair gull]

wait u wanna run cemu on streamdeck?

[misty saffron]

daily switch shilling time with locke

[fair gull]

i mean

im not interesting in emulating my favorite console

i got 2

[fickle ore]

Where'd you dig that up

[astral haven]

His friend made it

https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/04/16/measuring-gpu-memory-latency/

It's for playing uh
Any platformer

2d or 3d

Fighting games

Streaming from your PC across the house

🤷‍♂️ mediatek :/

But why not 2d and 3d platformers?

That's up to valve

[zenith sonnet]

The Internet

[fickle ore]

@zenith sonnet ;G_G;

[zenith sonnet]

https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/05/13/gpu-memory-latencys-impact-and-updated-test/

Here the link @fickle ore

[wheat plume]

Manjaro only got gnome 40 yesterday :O

[ashen spindle]

aha

[thick elk]

Reinforces my believe Manjaro is budget-arch.
Arch but generally crappier with more packages preinstalled.

Don't get me wrong, I really don't mind distro's that come with a gui but when you deffer updates to make it less compatible / stable...

[wheat plume]

They have an odd mix of upgrading core packages and then that causes issues when they hold back software that uses those packages

[shadow minnow]

Nvidia and amd being lower really surprised me tbh.

[astral haven]

And you'd be 100% right about this

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, don’t remember the last time mine fell out of my ear. Especially after I have gotten used to them.

[astral haven]

Samsung gave me for some included in the price of my phone and tbh they are very very convenient

[shadow minnow]

Also always used to destroy cable of wired ones.
And now also almost use only one AirPod at a time. Apart from times noise canceling is nice to have.

[wheat plume]

I've never lost mine xd
Although I just use them in bed

Even the new ones end up broken

[astral haven]

Lightning is a horrifically fragile connector...

[shadow minnow]

Managaed to destroy couple of lightning cables too. Especially when charging while lying. Lightning itself was not an issue, but the cable

[astral haven]

So many broken cables in ewaste

[shadow minnow]

But MagSafe solved this for me

[astral haven]

Only about half of the ewasted cables are cable fraying

[shadow minnow]

Wish you got the same cable with phone that you get with HomePod mini

(Braided cable)

[astral haven]

Oof

[wheat plume]

Apple can make good cables?!! Woah

O.o

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, but rarely. One you can’t use with other devices, well, two, also iMac one, and then the TB one is extremely expensive

[crimson wigeon]

I need good earbuds that I don't have to constantly push back into my ears do any of those exist

[wheat plume]

Yeah....

[astral haven]

The tb cable is the worst tb cable

[wheat plume]

Every earbud I've tried fit fine
Other than the ones with no removable ear tips

Like airbuds

[astral haven]

Try the foams

[shadow minnow]

But another nice thing about wireleless earbuds is not needing a phone, and being able to just play songs from a watch

[shadow minnow]

I mean the braided one

[wheat plume]

Bet they only work on apple watch

[astral haven]

They don't sell standalone a TB cable

That is braided

It's the destructible garbage

[shadow minnow]

They are Bluetooth so with any Bluetooth watch afaik

[astral haven]

Yup

[shadow minnow]

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/ML8E3AM/A/thunderbolt-3-pro-cable-2-m?fnode=bb3ccbf15b2fd2e25814faf7e210b9e245de14f5f8389bebe35949549dd8873cc92b94b6a201f84900e228f399969064f62e3cbbc9662b7d38c5434afdb19a22a4bda1533d2fefac5da4047f7fa65373421582c56791b4795f449f70d3d29f09

[crimson wigeon]

Probably more reliable because all wired things I've used break in the exact same way with the cable

[astral haven]

Oh shit

That ain't being sent out to retail

I use magnetic cables
And uh
They don't work with apple

Yes the lightning ones
No they don't work

[shadow minnow]

Well magsafe

There also are some that do work afaik

[wheat plume]

That doesn't apply to the NFC on iphones but ok

[astral haven]

Magsafe isnt magnetic wire

Magsafe is magnetic wireless

On iphone

Cant do data

[shadow minnow]

Well, not sure, but since you can connect AirPods to android and windows devices, don’t see a reason you could not to some non Apple Watch

[wheat plume]

I guess so

[shadow minnow]

Spatial stereo is pretty Pog. Not that I used it a lot since I usually use just one airpod at a time, same as rn.

[astral haven]

Galaxy buds non pro or plus for sound quality

[wheat plume]

Yes

[astral haven]

Yup

🤷‍♂️ you asked

[shadow minnow]

Nowadays many can be to some extend standalone, some even supporting eSim.

[wheat plume]

Earbuds
Not tws earbuds xd

Earphones would have been a better way to say it

[astral haven]

Er2xr are good but tonality is meh
Arias are nice but painful in some music

[wheat plume]

Painful

Ah yes.... I know that :/

Why have they PEAKed your interest?

[astral haven]

I haven't seen any recently but the mh755 are god tier

[shadow minnow]

Wish Apple Watch could do spatial audio, or Dolby atmos.

[wheat plume]

Chi-fi?

[astral haven]

Fiio, tin audio

Etymotics are American for now

[misty saffron]

the homepod braiding 😩

i love it so much

also, @astral haven, don't cheap out and get the 0.8m one

you'll regret it

[shadow minnow]

It’s Pog same as it’s sound. Don’t use my HomePod much though, since I mostly use AirPods now.

[misty saffron]

comparing a speaker and 2 teeny earbuds

tf bro

[shadow minnow]

Just saying why I don’t use it that much anymore, not comparing.

[misty saffron]

btw

they added "reduce bass" option to homepod

or something along the lines of that

literally night mode

lol

[astral haven]

If I get a thunderbolt cable it's gonna be 50m now

[reef tundra]

100m, come on. dont stop there already

[astral haven]

50m is the longest available

[misty saffron]

there are fiber ones

[astral haven]

50m is the longest available

[reef tundra]

E X P A N D

[astral haven]

40gbps

[reef tundra]

Wireless wires

[misty saffron]

oh 50m is longest fiber one

wtf

short

[astral haven]

🤨

[misty saffron]

cablet

[reef tundra]

Scam. lets sue apple now. court will be fun

[astral haven]

Apple

[reef tundra]

Tim apple

Look longer

[astral haven]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1577012-REG

Guy I know bought it

[zenith sonnet]

@digital cliff Were you still interested in a Modi 3+?

Ok

I wonder though

Why no amps?

[astral haven]

Can't charge over a fiber cable lol

[misty saffron]

actually

you can

[reef tundra]

With strong enough lasers and efficient enough receivers

Or just a copper cable along side it

[astral haven]

Then it's not a fiber cable only...

[astral haven]

No, no you cannot...

[misty saffron]

just put a solar panel at the other end

ez

[reef tundra]

Which is pretty much an led

[astral haven]

Just need the sun to be 10000x brighter for that to be enough

[misty saffron]

i didn't say it's a good way to charge

[astral haven]

Also that's not over the fiber cable

That's tangentially to the fiber cable

[reef tundra]

Laser would need special shielding to not blind anyone looking at it. 5mW is the threshold for legal limits as eye safe.

The fiber cable is just to guide the laser and keep it from attenuating too much

[misty saffron]

it's existed for years

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, then it definitely has issues. Rain sounds not the best, live listen makes everything way too louder…

[wheat plume]

Jailbroken?

[shadow minnow]

Nope

[wheat plume]

O.o

Odd, this UI seems more cluttered than what Apple would prefer it to be

[reef tundra]

Apple prefers it to be broken

so you can buy a new device

[shadow minnow]

The UI of this is indeed strange

[wheat plume]

yeah....

[shadow minnow]

Literally on the newest device of this type

[wheat plume]

yeah, hardware aint fixing a UI design xd

[shadow minnow]

May just be issue with me running iOS 15 beta

Since there were UI changes

[reef tundra]

Always blame the user -Apple

[wheat plume]

Literally

Their motto

"oh no, you just holding the phone wrong. Thats why the reception sucks"

Next phone release, they moved the location of the antenna bands

[crisp granite]

so...how do I get my hands on a Ryzen 7 5700G?

any word on a proper release soon?

anything at all?

[ashen spindle]

august 5th

but why would you want it

you already have a gpu

[crisp granite]

Quin...

I have my reasons

it's more that I want an 8 core...and I'd like an iGPU in case my actual GPU goes down

[ashen spindle]

remember it's slightly worse than regualr zen3 in cpu power

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's more the 8 physical cores that matter for me

it's not the end of the world if it's a little weaker than a 5800X

[ashen spindle]

it has half the cache which is where a lot of the gaming performance comes from

[crisp granite]

...

shit

didn't think of that

how bad would it be?

[ashen spindle]

idk, depends on game, resolution, settings etc.

think gn did a review of it maybe already?

[crisp granite]

sick

I'll go look for that

many thanks

[ashen spindle]

some worse some better than that

[crisp granite]

wow...

that's pretty awful

[ashen spindle]

that's why the extra cache on zen3d will be relevant 😛

[crisp granite]

then I should wait for that instead...

welp

thanks

[ashen spindle]

Q4 this year for those

[crisp granite]

hopefully I don't need a new, pricy mobo for it

[ashen spindle]

nah still AM$

AM4

[crisp granite]

noice

[ashen spindle]

AM5 starts with zen4

[crisp granite]

GN said August 5th for DIY market

for AMD Ryzen 5000 APUs

as of...5 days ago

[ashen spindle]

since alder lake is coming Q3/4

and zen 4 in Q4 of 2022

the 3d stacking cache is amds bet on being enough to keep a lead

[crisp granite]

alder lake is gonna require a new socket, no?

[ashen spindle]

ye

ddr 5, pcie 5

[crisp granite]

that is quite cool, but... at least to me, pointless

no devices out there use DDR5 or PCI-E 5...yet

new GPUs are PCI-E 4, and I don't know where to source DDR5 ram sticks

[ashen spindle]

I more meant to say that to have a point that zen3d is gonna make a big push despite "only" changing the cache size 😛

well ddr5 is in volume production already, just not much sense to put it on the front of newegg or w/e big consumer store when consumer boards are not using it yet

[crisp granite]

as long as that gets dumped on the market along with LGA 1700 mobos and CPUs supporting it

one of my buddies wants to upgrade from tenth gen intel to alder lake when it releases

...

yeah

I don't get it either

[ashen spindle]

hey at least it's an improvement

[crisp granite]

it is, but jesus christ, value for money won't be there

[ashen spindle]

when you've been here when bexin decided to wait for rocket lake when zen3 came out just so it can decrease performance

[crisp granite]

he'll need a new mobo and CPU at least

[ashen spindle]

oh amazon seems to have first kits just like newegg already https://videocardz.com/newz/teamgroup-elite-ddr5-4800-32gb-memory-goes-on-sale-on-amazon

[crisp granite]

woah

that's pricy as fuck

[reef tundra]

The graphic makes it feel like a fake chinese seller

[crisp granite]

welp, I'll kinda bad for him now....

ram alone will be $300-400 CAD at least, since he wants a 32 gb kit

[ashen spindle]

I mean thats the first kit, we dont really know how prices will be

[crisp granite]

true, but I doubt they'll be current DDR4 levels

[ashen spindle]

• there is a good chance that we have something like skylake did and it actually has a controller for ddr4 or ddr5 and you can still use either

[crisp granite]

that's what I was thinking

[ashen spindle]

so as long as you can get him to hold off till reviews and prevent him from preordering, no need to feel bad afterwards

[crisp granite]

...

I'll ask if I can buy his 32gb DDR4 kit for less than a new kit afterwards

[ashen spindle]

[crisp granite]

it's a pretty decent kit tbh

[ashen spindle]

works too I guess

[crisp granite]

and it's a 2x16, so would be good for my inevitable jump to ITX

I could save 50 bucks there, use it for some overpriced white-boy coffee at a starbucks, or use it to buy a new video game

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vagrant pagoda]

we need more dtx

most itx rigs have 2 slot full length gpus anyway

so a 2 slot full length dtx would be a good match

4 dimms

2 m.2

good audio and vrm

but still fits most of the same cases

[ashen spindle]

I think with next gen we will need more bigger boards and not go down in size

bc power draw go brr 📈

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

big doubt

unless its intel 14nm+++++++++++++

[ashen spindle]

nah, going based on what leakers (with good track record) hinted at, it's gonna be ore watts on greend and red

[vagrant pagoda]

for gpus or cpu?

[ashen spindle]

gpus

[vagrant pagoda]

because size can stay the same for gpus

[crisp granite]

Quin...I understand that

[vagrant pagoda]

we have KW sfx psus

[crisp granite]

but I hate myself and like overpaying

which is why I plan on going ITX

[ashen spindle]

yeah but more power = bigger coolers

[crisp granite]

also...the novelty of a PC the size of a console that absolutely shreds

[crisp granite]

would a 280mm rad work?

[vagrant pagoda]

i have prossibly the worst case made for my vr rig

modded to hell

only because of the size

[ashen spindle]

idk, with chiplets I don't even know if the same cooler design would work of if they need to change parts

[vagrant pagoda]

wut

it will be just more dies

not that much larger in physical size

[ashen spindle]

well depending on how they are spread they might have to adjust how heat pipes and such have to be laid out, and high end chiplets might still be a decent size bigger, dont think we know that yet

or maybe im just overthinking it, won't deny that possibility haha

[crisp granite]

idk, the rad I plan on using has a gigantic square block, I'm sure it'll hold up

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah vr rig has dual 280s

has no issue with unlimited powered 1080tis

[ashen spindle]

well with waterblocks it shouldn't be an issue, those aren't gonna be tripple slot or extra long lmao

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

most high end gpus are triple slot

[crisp granite]

I'm sure it won't be quad slot next gen

because that would be completely nuts

[ashen spindle]

nah I don't think so either because that would be causing issue with sagging and all that

was more thinking of increased length

[astral haven]

EVGA 2080tis had a fantastic bracket

Pushing down on the back of the card it still felt relatively rigid

Also it could be a thicker heatsink with lower fin density

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean there are 4 slotters now

[astral haven]

Yep

[vagrant pagoda]

length causes sag

[astral haven]

There's 1 slot up 3 slots down for example too

[vagrant pagoda]

most slots makes it stronger

or just the 3.5 slot cards

[astral haven]

It's just weight
Weight is sag

[ashen spindle]

sure the weight is more evenly distributed, but more metal surely still pulls it down

[astral haven]

Weight without reinforcement

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

the 3090 HOF comes with a support lol

[astral haven]

Ye but it's external

[vagrant pagoda]

like you put it on your psu shroud and it holds up the card lol

also its 4 slot

3.5 down and 0.5 up

[astral haven]

This is the 2080ti bracket

[vagrant pagoda]

the 3090 aorus is like 4+ slots isnt it

[wheat plume]

https://9to5google.com/2021/07/23/android-12-font-icon-customization-options/

..... WHY??!!

[ashen spindle]

ah there we go

"the power consumption of the navi31 will not be as low as 300W.Gesicht mit Freudentränen " 😂

..thanks clipboard for turning an emoji into the description

and ada supposedly the higher powerdraw again

[vagrant pagoda]

only 300w?

most 3090s are over that

[ashen spindle]

the 6900xt is 300W, 7900xt will be higher and 4080 even higher

[crisp granite]

[ashen spindle]

ofc, grain of salt and all that

but decent track records for those people so far

[crisp granite]

as long as it's not a 4+ slot design longer than 330mm, I'm good

and I hate the 2.x slot bullshit

if it's not a 2 slot card, it's a 3 slot

[vagrant pagoda]

the 2.5 is so it can breath if there is a card next to it

if you put a 2 slot card up to another card

you get shit for air

[crisp granite]

I hate marketing it as a 2.x slot

[vagrant pagoda]

also if you have a small case that only has 2 pcie slots

[crisp granite]

it's either a 2 slot, because it matches that standard

[vagrant pagoda]

then its right up ot the side

[crisp granite]

or it's above that and a 3 slot card in practice

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

at least its a real size

unlike eatx

[crisp granite]

2.7 slot is bullshit

it's 3 slot

[ashen spindle]

if we're lucky chiplet means we can cool it easier/in the same way as current powerdraws because the headspots are spread out

could honestly go either way

[astral haven]

Hahahahaha

Lmao

Tsmc liquid cooling on die will become required quickly

That's normal 2 slot...

Yes?

It's almost as if making a competent dual axial is tough to fit in 2 slots standard height...

I really hope elmor can make some flexible nvlink bridges lol

[vagrant pagoda]

why

[astral haven]

Cause I wanna support elmor and not Nvidia
And I also want to nvlink

[vagrant pagoda]

but why flex

[ashen spindle]

that reminds me, with next gen platforms, wouldn't CXL just be a better way than sli/nvlink?

[astral haven]

Cxl doesn't mgpu

[vagrant pagoda]

yes it dose

[astral haven]

And nvlink is faster than cxl 2

[astral haven]

Shared memory is alot easier than shared compute

Cxl is a replacement for pcie that supports 2 way dma

[vagrant pagoda]

cxl is based on pcie5

[astral haven]

Yes

[vagrant pagoda]

which means is on par with nvlink

[astral haven]

256gbit vs 800gbit?

[vagrant pagoda]

desktop gpus only have 4 lane nvlink

[astral haven]

Nvlink is 200 gig per lane

[vagrant pagoda]

wut

not

[astral haven]

4 lanes would be 400 gig equivalent

[vagrant pagoda]

its 50

[astral haven]

For turing

[vagrant pagoda]

ampere is nvlink 3.0

which is 50gbit a lane

desktop gpus only get 4 lanes

titanv and quadros/teslas get 6 lanes

the socketable accelerators have 12

i think the a100 pcie have 12 lanes to

they take 3 bridges

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ the a100 does 128GB/s

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah its 12 lanes

takes 3 nvlink bridges

[astral haven]

Oh

[vagrant pagoda]

has someone found out how to sli 3090s or are they only compute?

[astral haven]

You messed up bits and bytes

50GB/s per lane

56 to be precise

[vagrant pagoda]

no

let me find the whitepaper

[vagrant pagoda]

96 lanes * 50 gbps / 8 bits

is 600GByte

and that is combined both directions

[astral haven]

Nvidia showed a demo where they were moving 128GB/s through a gpu

[vagrant pagoda]

so its only 300Gbyte duplex

[astral haven]

Pcie is in Gbps...

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

that is a100

not a consumer gpu

it dosent even have video outputas

desktop cards have 4 lanes

4 lanes at 50Gbit

[astral haven]

Desktop cards have 1/3 the a100...

[vagrant pagoda]

no they have 4 lanes

[astral haven]

https://www.google.com/search?q=3090+nvlink+bandwidth&oq=3090+nvlink+bandwidth&aqs=chrome..69i57.4878j0j9&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Literally a Google search away

Nvlink is horriyingly fast

Cxl is fastish

But here's the other thing

Cxl overhead is smaller than pcie but is still a thing

And nvlink has zero overhead for direct links
And only ads on the order of 10ns going through a switch

Even if they were the same bandwidth that latency and overhead stops it from being a direct replacement

And here's another thing
Nvlink can be used alongside cxl

2080ti nvlink was 100GB/s already...

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/support-hardware/How-to-Enable-and-Test-NVIDIA-NVLink-on-Quadro-and-GeForce-RTX-Cards-in-Windows-10-1266/

Sli was 2GB/s which was really not enough

[young pecan]

I just want NVLink back in consumer shit.

I wanna do 4 way GPU scaling again, damnit.

[astral haven]

3 or 4 way nvlink would be very expensive

But the thing is, sli scaling is no longer possible, and ampere is proof that wider is not nescessarily better

[young pecan]

I know, I know.

[vagrant pagoda]

eh

[young pecan]

Just always liked SLI and NV. :(

[vagrant pagoda]

devs dont want the extra work

consoles rule sales

[astral haven]

Sli isn't work for devs

[vagrant pagoda]

and dont have sli

[young pecan]

SLI is engine work, iirc?

[astral haven]

Nope

Just config files

[vagrant pagoda]

no

[young pecan]

...

[vagrant pagoda]

you can implament sli in engine

for a bit now

[astral haven]

Nvidia made many sli modes, you just have to pick the right one

Nope

[vagrant pagoda]

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5082/~/nvidia-sli-support-transitioning-to-native-game-integrations

[astral haven]

Explicit mgpu is in engine

That's not sli™️

True sli was implemented by Nvidia and you just had to chose which of the many many profiles worked best for you

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

its still sli

its called sli

[young pecan]

Sounds to me like integrating it into the engine is a less stupid option.

[vagrant pagoda]

it uses nvlink connector

[young pecan]

If it's a profile the devs have to do it.

[astral haven]

Explicit mgpu uses zero Nvidia ip
Therefore it is not sli™️

[young pecan]

If it's engine they're all doing it by account of using the engine.

[astral haven]

That's incredibly tough

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

but it works better

[young pecan]

Tough work once?

[astral haven]

explicit mgpu is really fucked, it's nothing like sli

[astral haven]

Nope, it's tough for the devs too

[vagrant pagoda]

also sli kills 1% lows

[astral haven]

They have to dispatch work to 2 devices

[vagrant pagoda]

which is why its dieing

[astral haven]

On some profiles

[vagrant pagoda]

on everything

lol

[astral haven]

Nope

[young pecan]

What's the 1% on NV versus SLI?

[vagrant pagoda]

source

[vagrant pagoda]

nv link is just the connector

[astral haven]

Source being I tested it

[vagrant pagoda]

its still sli

single testing source isnt proof

[astral haven]

There are sli modes that are alot less stuttery that just aren't as good scaling

[vagrant pagoda]

everyone else

[young pecan]

Iirc the bandwidth is higher, no? If used right it'd be not as bad?

[vagrant pagoda]

has the opposite result

[astral haven]

Noone tries actually tuning sli...

There are about 60 different sli profiles and testers always use the default one...

Devs usually chose the highest fps one or the first one that works

[astral haven]

Same at lower resolutions, but the sli bridge dies at higher resolutions

[young pecan]

Ah.

[astral haven]

Well
Same relative to averages
It's alot higher because the GPUs are alot faster

Untuned sli has identical min frametimes to sli off but with bad jitter
Tuned sli either has same frametimes without jitter or minor jitter with properly scaling frametimes

[young pecan]

Possible to manually add SLI without the source code?

config files and whatnot.

[astral haven]

Yup, you just enable it in Nvidia inspector

[young pecan]

And it just works for everything?

[astral haven]

Usually poorly

Put of all the profiles only 1 or two are of reasonable performance and often never over 1.2x

And without exception beyond 2 way is negative scaling in my experience (For games without stock profiles)

Tho I have gtx 690s at 1080p so new stuff and higher resolutions may work better

[young pecan]

I can have 2 1080Tis with 1440p.

Reckon I might see decent scaling?

[astral haven]

Nope

Probably only will see scaling with 4k

[young pecan]

Why not?

1080Tis get capped at 1440p.

In games like Destiny they're actively bound.

[astral haven]

Are they also below 60 fps?

[young pecan]

With decent settings? Yeah, sometimes.

[astral haven]

Well then that might scale

[young pecan]

Pushing everything into ultra 1440p can dip them down into the 60 range in some games.

Or things that're poorly optimized.

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ if you have the cards might as well buy the bridge

On it also hurts sli scaling if you are reducing bandwidth to the cards, so you generally need hedt...

[young pecan]

Ryzen 3900X do?

[astral haven]

Pcie bandwidth

3900x is 128gbps of 3.0

Which isn't really enough

[young pecan]

I'm on 4.0. @astral haven

X570 board.

[astral haven]

1080ti isn't

[young pecan]

True.

Was considering that neither would bottleneck the other.

Is the thought.

[astral haven]

Unless you've got a Broadcom gen 4 switch x8 per GPU is what you get

Also the 3900x isn't a particularly fast CPU
It's great bandwidth but not super fast

[young pecan]

Mmmmm.

[astral haven]

Also the 3900x has no x16+x16 motherboard options

https://imgur.com/ufJNbSh

Yeet

[young pecan]

Depresso.

[astral haven]

Read and write are relative to the CPU btw
So yes that is a 9900k with 512gbps of effective pcie bandwidth

4.0x16 is 256gbps

And the 9900k is 3.0x16

[vagrant pagoda]

not true

just never production

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

[vagrant pagoda]

z490

[astral haven]

There aren't any gen 4 switches under $250 bulk

[vagrant pagoda]

the asus z490 prototype had plx

[astral haven]

Only 3.0

[vagrant pagoda]

you said x16+x16

[astral haven]

Super micro sells a z490 3.0 quad x8

But there aren't any am4

[vagrant pagoda]

im talking amd z490

before intel did z490

amd had planed a updated x470

called z490

[astral haven]

Called x490 you mean?

[vagrant pagoda]

no

z

[astral haven]

I've heard of x490 but z490 is gonna [citation needed]

[young pecan]

Z.

As in that thing AMD never does?

Z?

[vagrant pagoda]

ive seen the asus one too somewhere

but this is the gigabyte proto

[young pecan]

Yeah, gonna have to agree with [citation needed]...

[vagrant pagoda]

trying to find the asus

[young pecan]

[citation that isn't a picture needed]

[vagrant pagoda]

citation provided

[young pecan]

[preferably a spec sheet]

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.techpowerup.com/243419/amd-readies-z490-chipset-with-more-and-faster-pcie-lanes

i cant find the asus one

but asus had one with a plx

[astral haven]

Nah that's fine
That's x16 +x8 tho

[vagrant pagoda]

but with multigpu being dead

they never made it

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ plx ain't for multigpu

Plx is for pcie aics in general where you need a ton of them

See the x299 sage

[vagrant pagoda]

odd considering that boardcom mentions gpus in every pex document

[astral haven]

Yea because the biggest customer was nvidia

Again ignore marketing

[vagrant pagoda]

not for multigpu

main customer was gpus

[astral haven]

GPUs
Not motherboards

[young pecan]

Corroboration is not causation, friend.

[astral haven]

Plx on gpu is great

[young pecan]

Idk how this is confusing.

[astral haven]

Plx on motherboards is janky

[vagrant pagoda]

[astral haven]

But for normal aics it's fantastic

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

[astral haven]

See the x299 sage

[vagrant pagoda]

i own 3 motherboard with pex chips

never had issues with multigpu on them

they do add some lag

[astral haven]

Yes

[vagrant pagoda]

but

[astral haven]

They don't add lag for storage applications or networking or audio...

[vagrant pagoda]

quad x16 is faster than quad x8

yes they do

[astral haven]

Not if you configure them properly

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean they still do

100ns is best case

source have one of thier 10g cards that uses plx to allow 4 ports

also i have tried to use one for nvme

[astral haven]

Ah but that is fixed
So you can compensate for that

And for networking you have larger buffers than that anyways

So you are better off taking the 100ns transfer start penalty to get the transfer done 3-4 seconds faster

[vagrant pagoda]

yes it better than lower bandwidth if you are saturating the cpu link

but highend nics do routing internally

[astral haven]

Not from storage they dont

[vagrant pagoda]

my intel 10g will route though direct on the buffer

[astral haven]

The buffer is just on the card...

[vagrant pagoda]

the avago wont

as all 4 ports are separate devices technically

and the only reason to use a pex in a nic is for routing

as the total thoughput isnt going up

[astral haven]

I'm talking about plx motherboards

[vagrant pagoda]

its the same

[astral haven]

There are a million and one reasons to use plx on aics

[vagrant pagoda]

now gpus did fine

[astral haven]

Its absolutely not the same

[vagrant pagoda]

because most gpus run fine on x8

so the dual gpu cards didnt care

but 10g was hell on 2.0

[astral haven]

They run fine
But they run worse than hedt would

With storage, networking, and audio, you want the faster CPUs that are on msdt (except for zfs and similar where you need coars)

And that's where plx helps you out

[vagrant pagoda]

storage and networking are memory limited

so you want more memory channels

[astral haven]

You have these pcie accelerator cards that are not all being simultaneously used, so plx does just fine

[astral haven]

🤦

40 gig Ethernet can be entirely saturated by a single x16 link shared between the data source and the nic

[vagrant pagoda]

single stream sure

do any processing on that

[astral haven]

I mean my server is encrypting and decrypting the data

Data comes from the 3 2.0x8 devices and flows out the 3.0x8 nic

[vagrant pagoda]

i love the baby noctuas

i have one of those super tiny tower coolers on a pi

with them on it

[young pecan]

Tbh, why go passive when Noctua ULN exists?

They never break, cool pretty well, make no noise whatsoever, etc.

[astral haven]

because its not actually passive

[young pecan]

I know, but I'm more talking generally.

You see people going to absurd lengths for passive when a ULN makes the same noise, really.

Why?

[astral haven]

because thats actually not true

there are some people who will actually properly treat their theater rooms, and a fan in general will make some noise

[young pecan]

Wait...

If you're treating a room like that why do you even have a PC in there?

That's already quite the amount of work to go through, one could just Thunderbolt 4.

And then it's proper dead silent.

[astral haven]

why tb4 and take up room in another room when you can have it contained in 1 room

[young pecan]

Lab room.

Can't really have lab room and media room in the same room.

[astral haven]

and a passive cooler is alot cheaper than a tb4 cable that will go between rooms

what

[young pecan]

Sure, but then everything isn't in a beautiful server rack. :P

The clean aesthetic is great.

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ says you
you can have a mini server rack with all your audio gear and your pc right under your tv in your theater room

[young pecan]

Yeah, that's true.

Idk, I've always loved fully enclosed systems.

[astral haven]

you can mostly enclose a passive system

[young pecan]

But then it's not in a single 48RU. :P

[astral haven]

it just has to have some parts exposed

why isnt it?

[young pecan]

Because the rest of my shit is also in the 48RU, and I'm not having that thing in an audiophile room.

Hence Thunderbolt.

[astral haven]

why wouldnt it be in a 48 unit rack?

just put it idk behind you in the theater

[young pecan]

And then what's the point?

[astral haven]

still silent and now you have the knobs to your amps right behind you

[young pecan]

No way I'm putting my servers and such in a 48RU in a theater room, especially since it'd do double duty as an audiophile room.

Nah, I'd run thunderbolt for the interfacing stuff (screen, kb/m, etc), and have the rest of it in a dedicated server room.

Like... I could buy a Roon Nucleus, but why would I do that when I could spend a fraction and make something better in a rack?

As far as the amp stack? That'd likely stay in the audio room for a couple of reasons.

Unless I could pull some complex shenanigans, but that's too much work.

[astral haven]

you ever watched z reviews?

[young pecan]

A few times, but only as a curiosity.

[astral haven]

he has 3 racks behind him too

[young pecan]

Hey man, what works for some people works for some people.

My equipment is really airflow heavy, it's noisy with so many fans.

[astral haven]

1 here and 2 more on the other side with computer stuffs

yea

but audio rack equipment is silent

[young pecan]

Not all of it.

There's a few things that do require some fans.

But that's fairly simple to fix.

[astral haven]

ok
studio rack equipment is silent

[young pecan]

Good studio rack stuff is silent.

[astral haven]

tldr is passive pc has a use or two

thats not many but thats enough to exist

I wanted a nhp1 because i believe its the only cooler that it would be safe to ziptie a delta to

and i wanted to see
tisis core + 3 arctic fans or nhp1 with 1 delta

[young pecan]

Passive cooler.

STRAP DELTA TO IT

[astral haven]

yup

there are 2 things low fpi is good for
passive
and HIGH airflow

im also curious what the minimum speed on the deltas are

cause the ippc can go down to barely over 100 rpm

where more normal fans can only go down to the 300 range

if the 5600 rpm deltas can go down into the 100 range that would be ultra pog

[fair gull]

im confused

[shadow minnow]

Why do people argue so much about which OS is better?
It’s so simple

iOS 15 vs Android 12?
15>12
iOS>Android

macOS 12 vs Windows 11?
12>11
macOS>Windows

Simple

[ashen spindle]

get a webserver that you just use as storage place or also put plex or w/e works with your data on it for 5$ or so a month

google drive though I kinda feel like you'd not want google

[ashen spindle]

netcup is what I use, linode seems to also be a decent option

[zenith sonnet]

What is f51ae?

[ashen spindle]

oh and just as confirmation, it's an evga issue that cards turn off with errors https://www.igorslab.de/en/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx-3090-and-not-only-new-world-when-the-graphics-card-goes-amok-because-of-design-failures/

any other cards just have regular thermal protection kicking in due to 4 digit fps

[reef patrol]

Except that a tripped protection circuit on a Radeon card is logically something completely different than a blown controller chip on a botched board design. The protection circuit is there exactly for such a thing, only that with the fan one must question evenly.

Not really a fan of this distinction. Dead card is dead card, Igor...

[ashen spindle]

but amd cards don't die..

it's purely the evga cards

though I do admit the english versions of his article are a bit unclear sometimes, it's not his strenght to translate it well 😛

[reef patrol]

Oh - Yeah my bad. I misread that. He's talking about tripping the shutdown.

[ashen spindle]

ye

[zenith sonnet]

I was just saying... in that example, the Radeon card isn't dead, only needs a reboot, right?

[reef patrol]

Seems like, yes

[thick elk]

Another thing is with a decent number of players you expect at least some users to have random problems.

[zenith sonnet]

Of course

Except for the known hardware issues with EVGA's memory controller :p

[zenith sonnet]

CTR is weird
I got Silver Sample (with everything open and running), then Gold Sample, then a random reboot, then Silver again

[young pecan]

Anyone got some ideas on 3D printers?

Looking to spend maybe 300 AUD on it, so far the classic choice of the Ender 3 Pro is winning.

Just a normal PLA/ABS/etc printer, not resin yet.

[zenith sonnet]

Have printers become significantly more expensive recently?

I dunno, I remember looking at them a while ago, and now they seem to be twice the price if available at all

Looks like printers went up in price...

Prices go up

https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/canon-i-sensys-mf744cdw-3101c042-a2035876.html