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ashen spindle
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https://www.hardwaretimes.com/what-is-the-difference-between-gddr5-vs-ddr5-vs-lpddr5-memory/ not the best article but the best I could find on a quick search

Modern computers use many different kinds of memory: DDR4, GDDR5, GDDR6, LPDDR4, HBM, etc. While these are all based on DRAM, there are some key differences between them. DDR4 is used in most PCs as the main memory and is the most popular form of DRAM. GDDR5 and GDDR6 are used in graphics cards as …

timid chasm
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yeah I looked into it and that's what game up too

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I hate names like that

ashen spindle
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AMD Ryzen 5000 powered MiniPCs While AMD Ryzen 5000 series are seeing much wider adoption in the laptop market, the Mini-PC market is still lagging behind. The good news is that the first information on the ‘Cezanne’ based Mini-PCs are beginning to surface.  Morefine S500+ MiniPC with Ryzen 9 5900HX, Source: Indiegogo Morefine Focus and […]

young pecan
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Idk if I’d be brave enough to put a 5900HX in there.

ashen spindle
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peepoShrug looks fine for a 45w part to me

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not super cool under load sure

thick elk
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these type of higher power mobile chips are pretty common in small form factor pc's

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There have been a number of them with 4700u's and 4800u's as well.

shadow minnow
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Nice Google. So useful when every time it’s correct it appears again and it’s impossible to use google search.

wheat plume
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I once had one of those "select the car" type ones

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that gave me like 10 sets of images in a row

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I was there almost 2 minutes

thick elk
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The thing I hate most about the captcha's is the time it takes to load the images after you click.

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It just slows things down, even when clicking on them pretty fast

wheat plume
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^^^^

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THIS

shadow minnow
wheat plume
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....

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oh

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not bing

thick elk
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I personally just use duckduckgo while defaulting to !g, however if something like this would happeen, I would just use plain duckduckgo

wheat plume
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using !g bypasses the captchas??

ashen spindle
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ddg just uses bing as search engine anyway so it makes no difference for these one time usecases

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so just use bing as its less to type kek

wheat plume
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its the same to type

ashen spindle
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never knew ddg has a shorter link

wheat plume
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I only found out like a month ago

ashen spindle
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same bad search results still so w/e

old marlin
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are there any somewhat recent raspberry clones that take an SSD of any kind and doesn't cost 2 times as much as a pi 4?

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cause a rockpi is like 100€ without the m.2 hat

ashen spindle
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uhh depends on what you want to do with it

old marlin
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not much

ashen spindle
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xilinx has some cheap things that use a FPGA instead of an arm cpu if that is good enough

old marlin
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like it just has to be able to runs an OS with a GUI

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and it needs to be able to just boot from an SSD

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without using the hacky ways required with a raspberry

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cause I could not get octopi to boot from anything but an SD card

vagrant pagoda
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Know why my local best buy had no GPUs in the morning

ashen spindle
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yeah it's been a dry month, almost now new units recently

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just when prices were declining so did production zzz

crisp granite
ashen spindle
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people working at best buy aren't really a good source for that

pale sigil
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Best buy aren't a good source for anything

ashen spindle
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can't judge that as we dont have best buy here but I just doubt that would be a place for such a thing to come out from

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and not any other leaker or reliable source

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yeah but that is the same for any model, not only on founders edition

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no founders cards because no cards at all currently

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yea it lags behind due to shipping ofc

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that's a long list of 0 cards coming in when the stock is gone

crisp granite
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welp, that sucks for my homies, all of em were waiting for stock and price to "normalise" before buying GPUs

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turns out this is the new normal

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bots, scalping scum and miners

ashen spindle
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I mean this is nothing new, we are still not at the time where people said it would normalise again

crisp granite
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I just wish NVidia and AMD could actually crack down on mining on their gaming cards to prevent miners from scooping them all up instead of their actual mining accelerators lineup

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that way, we wouldn't have huge issues with miners buying cards by the pallet

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and scalpers scalping cards for twice the price knowing miners will buy them

ashen spindle
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are we really going over this again, that miners are not helping but also not make any actual impact on this and it would be mostly the same with 0 mining going on

crisp granite
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Quin, Aeon has....5 or 6 RTX 3070s, that's 5 or 6 gamers without GPUs rn

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and Aeon is small fish compared to a lot of other miners

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no shit it's only a part of the problem

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but it's a part of the problem that is fixable and avoidable in the future

ashen spindle
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yes and some random best buy just had way over 300 rtx cards in a one single drop and mindfactory here also sells heaps constantly

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yes it looks like a lot if you look at the mining farm pictures

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until you see that a single retailer sells more in a single week

crisp granite
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and steam is picking up more RTX 3000 and RX 6000 gpus, blah blah blah

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and how many are going into scalper hands?

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I'd wager a decent chunk, possibly the majority

ashen spindle
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scalpers and miners are two very different issues

crisp granite
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the scalpers get fed by those paying for the cards

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both fed up gamers, and miners

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the gamers...I don't blame em and they still shouldn't, but the miners are addressable in the future

ashen spindle
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why do you want something to be addressed that at most makes a difference of one week over the course of a year+

crisp granite
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hm

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I'll stop complaining

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but if this persists even post covid, with the next GPU launch

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I'll raise a huge stink

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mkay?

ashen spindle
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sure, if it's caused by miners

crisp granite
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partially

ashen spindle
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I'm not defending mining for the waste that it is or say it matters to 0%

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but I don't get the point of putting so much blame on something, when like 95% of the issue come from elsewhere

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the last 5% barely matter

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sure it's an easy way to have a target to complain about

astral haven
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When gamers have at least 3 million cards it's really not too bad

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And that's from 30 series alone

ashen spindle
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just take a look cpus, we also have a cpu shortage and literally nobody is mining on cpus

astral haven
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Well no

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Theres an AMD shortage

ashen spindle
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well there is a 7nm TSMC shortage, a intel 10nm shortage and nvidia it's not as obvious if it's samsung or memory or w/e causing it

astral haven
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10nm shortage?

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There's stock of tiger lake everywhere you look

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Nvidia shortage is caused by crazy demand
The 3080 has made more revenue than the 1060 has

ashen spindle
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ice lake SP certainly is not there in the mass that servers want

astral haven
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Servers don't want ice lake yet there's still more ice lake deployments than epyc...

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Intel is vomiting out wafers at a horrific pace

astral haven
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And on the top500 list it's over 40%

ashen spindle
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dont remember the list but I imagine lots of them use A100s and such that only come on epyc for pcie4?

astral haven
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Most of the top500 has more CPUs than GPUs even if they have gpus

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And a100 is usually 1:4 CPU to gpu

crisp granite
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...

chrome estuary
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i want one

reef patrol
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Why is there a dial on the bottom of the handgrip?

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Does it dual as a vibrator? 😛

crisp granite
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it's a gas operated paintball gun

reef patrol
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Oh it's a Painball.

chrome estuary
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damn

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never mind

crisp granite
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Lumi... get .500 S&W

chrome estuary
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eugh

crisp granite
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something shooting that

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have fun breaking your wrists

chrome estuary
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my stepbrother has two

crisp granite
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:|

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yikes

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much welt

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very pain

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actually, fuck that

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that'll break skin

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oh

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nice

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welp

ashen spindle
crisp granite
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for home defence, pretty good ngl

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easier to use without training compared to a standard pistol

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also easier to train for

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less residue, less noise

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less lethal but still hurts like a bitch and would subdue an attacker

reef tundra
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So, bring gas mask and put steel plates in the plate carriers. mm good to know

crimson wigeon
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Oh this prebuilt series is fun, why are they so bad anyway

crisp granite
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they just happen to cut all the right corners

ashen spindle
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Dell is legit trying, a custom intel cooler on amd CPU

reef tundra
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No right angles

ashen spindle
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Neither a full on amd cooler nor a regular intel cooler

crimson wigeon
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Well it should be good cooling right?

ashen spindle
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bad example because it's very likely they will change that for hades, seen how they already even have a custom border for 21:9 to not have normal black borders

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also, it's a picture of a screen from an angle, no way to tell how bad or good it will be in person

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though I wouldn't mind 16:10 to die kek

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hate that resolution

crisp granite
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that looks f-awful

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like...really shitty TN panel levels of shitty blacks and generally flat colour

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glad I dodged that steamdeck now more than ever

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that screen alone is a deal breaker

ashen spindle
crisp granite
reef tundra
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How much would that be caused due to glossy screen and studio light burning on that screen?

crisp granite
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so...it's the same actual screen, game is still being displayed 16:9, but with cool graphics filling in the extra bits

ashen spindle
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yeah its just a custom border instead of black bars

reef tundra
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Who needs the ui when you have the shell

crimson wigeon
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Yeah they've already announced it's just bog standard KDE Plasma behind the curtain

zenith sonnet
astral haven
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What

crimson wigeon
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That's great, the Activate Windows watermark of shame doesn't intrude on the game!

astral haven
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Someone needs to make an activate windows watermark overlay app for linux

crimson wigeon
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Sounds easy enough

astral haven
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Yea but make it work over games

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That's the tough part

crimson wigeon
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Depends, since I'm living in a Wayland world with a wlroots compositor it's very easy to make overlays that show on top of everything

ashen spindle
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oh yeah thats one of the benefits of having 21:9 screen and playin decent ammount of 16:9 games lmao

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migth activate it once Im done with home office and wont need a separate work/gaming pc with the license of the other one

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but so far it doesnt bother so peepoShrug

crimson wigeon
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There we go

reef tundra
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type ||'btw, i use arch'|| if you need to use my key.

zenith sonnet
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@reef patrolHow often would I need to replace the thermal pads under my GPU block?

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I know they have limited life, but I don't know how long they actually last

reef tundra
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2 years?

reef patrol
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In another generation or two 😄

wheat plume
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pacman 6 parallel download is insane

reef tundra
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Nah

wheat plume
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it just looks so chaotic, all these lines going across the screen xd

zenith sonnet
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Oh wow

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I've never seen shit like that

pale sigil
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Ngl

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The bezels on the steam deck bother me

astral haven
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Bezels are nescessary
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But not that much

misty saffron
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i am never taking a macbook board out again

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it’s so bad i am about to shout racist words

astral haven
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Must be old since it has a heatpipe lmao

misty saffron
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it has upgradeable storage

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so

astral haven
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Absolutely prehistoric

misty saffron
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2017 actually

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thermal paste turned into gum so

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who came on the cpu man

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came on it too though

astral haven
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Oooh edram

astral haven
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Nescessary for handheld devices

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To make the device useable...

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Yea some of us aren't double jointed

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It's running in dual channel mode since van Gough or whatever it's called runs a teamed imc

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Dual 64b channels

young pecan
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Honestly, I feel like thinner phones kinda suck.

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There's defo a tipping point where thin just doesn't give benefit.

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Like you're losing cooling, power, battery capacity, better screen tech, damage resistance, better cameras, and a whole host of other stuff.

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Heaps of which could be gained by just adding 2 or 3mm to the design.

astral haven
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yes

young pecan
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Idk. To me it's not even remotely worth it.

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Especially given the sheer amount of flexion damage problems you get with thinner devices.

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That and I'd actually kill someone to have more battery in a phone.

astral haven
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<choir

young pecan
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Hmm.

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What features would you ask for in a phone that can't fit in a thin af phone?

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For me I'd have to say better screen and battery tech, the camera means so little to me already.

astral haven
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optical zoom

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giv it to me

young pecan
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Actually yeah.

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Physical zoom would be all sorts of nice on a phone.

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What else?

astral haven
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drop tolerance

young pecan
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Underscreen tech? Better front facing cams for facial detection and the such.

astral haven
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double the thickness of the front glass please

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phones would be indestructible

young pecan
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Mate, you'd just complete the cycle.

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Reject smartphone, return to Nokia 3310.

astral haven
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nah

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plastic iirc

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glass touchscreen

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but make it thick

young pecan
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I'd really just like tactile feedback on screens.

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That would be dope.

astral haven
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meh

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unbreakable screen more important

young pecan
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Need better materials for that.

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I HEAVILY disagree with just making the glass thicker.

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Wouldn't stop from any surface damage, so all you're really doing it trading cracked for scratched, both suck.

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Need a new material.

astral haven
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nah

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cracked is far worse than scratched

young pecan
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Kinda.

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Cracked you replace.

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Scratched you can try and help, but ultimately it's too much work.

astral haven
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scratched doesnt break the oled layer

young pecan
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True.

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You also introduce the problem of thick screens causing issues with underscreen tech.

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Underscreen fingerprint sensor is something I'd take over thick glass.

astral haven
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nah thats just calibration

young pecan
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Kinda sorta. Surface damage really fucks with it.

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Still glass being an issue, we need a better material anyway.

astral haven
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fuck optical, ultrasonic for life

young pecan
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^ Actually yeah.

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Very pog, that.

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Eh, most breaks are corners hitting the floor directly or something sharp hitting it.

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So you're prolly a little in advantage.

astral haven
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usb 4 when

astral haven
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uuuuh

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oh thats interesting

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standard cladding but putting 4 fibers inside of it

young pecan
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What the fuck, Dell?

timid chasm
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#surprised

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#NOT

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Even the refurbished one I bought for the GPU was better than the new one they bought 😂

timid chasm
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For?

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oh for the laptop

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that's...weird

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I bought a refurbished desktop and received it in like 4 days

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fuckin cancel it and buy from somebody else

young pecan
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Bruh.

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Dell: Pepega

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Dude, wot?

thick elk
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Wow that's dell levels of bad, oh wait it's dell so never mind.

young pecan
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Why actually order from Dell?

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Iirc HP does everything they do better.

old marlin
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cause the other ones are also shit

young pecan
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Except server PSUs.

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I think Dell wins in 1U PSUs.

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Y'know, so long as you peak at 1200W.

old marlin
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dell has better support

timid chasm
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Is that opinion based entirely on GN's videos? lol

old marlin
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I know how bad lenovos support is

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dunno how bad hp is

young pecan
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Nah, experience with the both of em.

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HP is usually pretty good.

old marlin
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oh ok

thick elk
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For consumer things I would say Dell laptops are not that terrible, just don't buy them from Dell, and deal with the support of pretty much any other store.

old marlin
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statistics say dell is still better iirc

old marlin
young pecan
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HP has by far the best bulletin board.

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It's nuts.

old marlin
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oh yea gaming laptops is just OMEGALUL

thick elk
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their business side is different yea, and I think a lot better.

old marlin
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I have an alienware laptop

young pecan
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You guys should see HPs bulletin board.

old marlin
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a lot better than I initially expected

young pecan
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It's nut worthy.

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It just shows everything, all of the details about everything they have ever produced.

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And it's all cross referenced and all that.

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So finding compatibility between anything they do is godly.

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Just select a server or something and it shows you exactly what things are and aren't compatible. Nut

old marlin
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dl380 g8 riser compatability is a big questionmark for me

young pecan
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That.

timid chasm
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Is it a 1080p screen? Those laptop high res screens are fucking unbearable

young pecan
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Just download that, do the 250GB or something download in the app, and it shows you EVERYTHING HP has ever done.

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All of the stuff.

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And I literally do mean everything they have ever done.

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All of it.

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Wait, it's Intel?

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Lmfao, go Ryzen in a laptop. Those things are great.

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This.

timid chasm
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Unless it's a 5800 maybe. They're a little spicy

young pecan
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They're still faster in every way except AVX512?

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Ryzen CPUs don't have an iGPU.

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Unless it's the G variants, but they still perform better than the Intel counterparts?

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Actually does Intel have anything that outright wins rn?

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Maybe in the server space? Random Xeon or something?

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Even next gen it'll just be the same story, Intel doesn't really have much to fight back with. shrugs

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We know they're working on chiplets, but we haven't seen anything practical and we all know they'd be boasting if they had it atm.

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So what else are they going to do? Obscenely expensive binned chips?

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Isn't that more due to the lack of Ryzen?

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Maybe it's all of the people needing AVX512.

timid chasm
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AMD cpus are pretty easy to get on their site. Usually pops up in stock once a week

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You can fucking forget it with gpus though

young pecan
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Ikr. Been seeing shitloads of 3070s for my mine, but very few AMD.

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And the few that I am seeing are all low end and/or way overpriced.

timid chasm
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Seen 0 gpus anywhere here

young pecan
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30MH/s for 1900?

timid chasm
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what only gives 30 mh/s?

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That's like a 1080 isn't it

young pecan
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Nah.

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Those'll do 40 to 45 or so.

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30 without memtweak.

timid chasm
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Yeah very rarely do you immediately find examples of how good or average they are. You either find the shit they did poorly or the shit they exceeded expectations on

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Like an unrealistic amount of exceeding expectations I mean

zenith sonnet
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@neat oriole Ya know anything about microphones?

neat oriole
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Not really

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I daily an SM57 with a little windscreen and it sounds good for v/o stuff

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And it’s also extremely overkill for discord

zenith sonnet
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I'm looking for dynamic mics

crimson wigeon
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can't go wrong with a 57 eh

neat oriole
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It’s a classic

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Literally

zenith sonnet
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I got a capsule mic, but it doesn't suit my usecase at all

neat oriole
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Been around since 1957

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What is your use case

zenith sonnet
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Noisy environment

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Capsule mics pick up EVERYTHING

young pecan
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Budget on this?

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And the purpose?

zenith sonnet
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You can literally hear people two rooms over talk

neat oriole
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You could try RTX Voice

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Other AI noise reduction software is available

young pecan
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'Cause if you want basic just grab a Rode NT1 or NT1A/Audiotechnica AT2020/2035 and slap Nvidia Broadcast on that bitch.

zenith sonnet
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Purpose. I need two. One for me, one for my wife.
It should not pick up the other person talking.

young pecan
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I mean...

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You guys in the same room?

zenith sonnet
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Yes

young pecan
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Then what you want is an Audiotechnia AT2035 with Nvidia Broadcast, Voicemeeter, and a dividing wall.

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Is about what I would suggest at the low end in that use case.

zenith sonnet
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Points two and four are no option

young pecan
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Then you'll get crosstalk.

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No exceptions.

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What you want is either prohibitively expensive or requires some DIY.

zenith sonnet
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Meh, don't believe it
You see streamers all the time where you cannot hear them, or another person when they're like more than 70cm away from the mic
Unless maybe they scream

young pecan
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Yes, that's a thing on expensive mics.

neat oriole
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Do you have to be in the same room?

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Are you doing a podcast?

young pecan
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^ That's the easiest solution.

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And uhh, dude.

zenith sonnet
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No podcast, no

young pecan
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Dynamic mics tend to be... not fantastic.

zenith sonnet
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That's why I've been asking for a dynamic mic

young pecan
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I mean, unless you wanna spend heaps.

neat oriole
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A single dynamic mic isn’t going to solve the problem of another person in the room tho

young pecan
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In which case why not just do different rooms?

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Or make a wall.

static acorn
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If moving to a different space or being in different rooms was an option we would do it, unfortunately it is not.

neat oriole
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Get 2 dynamic mics and see if it’s good enough for you I guess PES2_Shrug

young pecan
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Not cheap, those. :L

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You could DIY a wall and make some decent panels for less than half of one of them.

neat oriole
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Yeah a physical barrier would help a bit

young pecan
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Dynamic mics also are not suited for that use case.

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They're built for instruments and loud noises.

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So anything soft tends to get rekt by them.

neat oriole
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I mean you can use them for anything really, they’re just used for instruments a lot of the times

young pecan
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Best quality I'd wager would be a dividing wall, some decent acoustic panels (DIY or no, doesn't matter), and some good condenser mics with a neutral sound floor.

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It's only when you start getting into professional recording you'd really need to go more advanced, and 90% of that cost would be in the mic anyway.

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Scarlet?

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Marketplace scarlet?

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They were showing up for like, $50.

zenith sonnet
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Well, looking at prices
You probably can't get a decent one for 40 bucks, but it doesn't look like dynamic mics immediately break the bank either

zenith sonnet
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It does look good

wheat plume
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I was wondering if he was going to make a video about the Steam Deck!

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or well, more about the desktop its going to be running on

ashen spindle
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though granted it seems all the reports are coming from people with an EVGA cards so fault may be at them and not nvidia

crimson wigeon
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Excellent, sounds like it's gonna be a good benchmark then

reef patrol
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If your card can't handle being maxed out for hours at a time, either your card's design sucks or your case is starved of airflow xD

ashen spindle
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given some said they couldnt reach the temps with 7 hours of stresstest

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it's probably something else

timid chasm
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Is this from the current version only? Played on a 3090 last alpha and didn't seem to show any issues? Not EVGA though

ashen spindle
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I've not seen a non-EVGA model having the reported issue

reef patrol
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It's the SC2 main menu "no fps limiter" drama all over again. If your PC can't handle being "furmarked" (that's a verb now cause I said so), then your PC is the issue, not the game. (It's downright terrible programming though xD)

ashen spindle
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and I think (though not fully sure) the ones that were mentioned share the same PCB

timid chasm
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Solid verb. That's my go-to to test temps honestly. 4k max for furmark

ashen spindle
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how is it the PC's fault if this goes above furmark and other burn in tests

reef patrol
crimson wigeon
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Correct, it's the fault of those tests not actually stressing hard enough

ashen spindle
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that is literally what people are reporting, getting higher temps than 7 hours of stresstest

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so it could be some sort of resource usage that causes higher temps but the VRM is failing to trip OCP/OHP or whatever

reef patrol
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I remain very skeptical - Especially as far as "bricking cards" go, cause at that point the card should self reset.

ashen spindle
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I just kinda doubt all people who have bad airflow happen to share the same EVGA 3090 models

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what I do agree on, it might not be bricked just in some state that isn't auto recovered

timid chasm
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Get a Dell 3090 like me and be superior 😂

reef patrol
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EVGA has had pleeeenty of issues with their 3000 cards.

young pecan
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Haven’t had issues with mine with crypto.

reef patrol
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I know a handful of people who had their cards fry from being waterblocked - Every single card was RMA'ed and suddenly had the correct clearance.

young pecan
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I have 4x XC3 ultras and 2x FTW3s.

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None have been acting up.

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Anything I should be eyeballing here, do we think?

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Mem is extremely highly clocked.

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+2700. If that’s a problem I might turn it down a wee bit.

timid chasm
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that just needs adequate cooling

young pecan
#

Well, +2700 for Ethash anyway.

timid chasm
#

actually not even adequate

ashen spindle
#

yeah it seems like it's an issue with temps, so just look out for temps as you'd do anyway

young pecan
#

👌

timid chasm
#

yeah but is the temp memory or something else?

#

cause ETH is all mem temps

ashen spindle
#

not memory temps

timid chasm
#

then it wouldn't really matter for his mining cards

ashen spindle
#

yup

young pecan
#

Pog

#

Now... does it matter in CNGPU.

#

xD

ashen spindle
#

@reef patrol btw it even bricked a water cooled 3090 so I heavily doubt it's a case of bad case airflow kek

young pecan
#

Kinda doubt CCX is gonna fly up in profitability anytime soon, but eh.

ashen spindle
#

though that one did work again after a reset

reef patrol
ashen spindle
#

ye

#

some bios or VRM controller issue probably

young pecan
#

Someone reported getting into Windows on a second BIOS.

#

So yeah, maybe.

ashen spindle
#

ya not total permanent brick, but broken to a point a regular user might not find way back into windows

young pecan
#

Eeesh.

#

Nasty.

wheat plume
#

I really love this guy's resume website

#

its laid out like a json file :P

young pecan
#

Wait what?

#

Pic?

wheat plume
ashen spindle
#

oh god

wheat plume
young pecan
#

That font is cursed, but kinda cool.

wheat plume
#

yeah

#

Seems so

#

he uses it everywhere

young pecan
#

One hell of a calling card.

wheat plume
#

Even the tab name is like a shell prompt

#

LOL

#

He is really good at drawing :O oh wow

#

oh wait, idk if those are his drawings or not, he linke a book for drawings:

#

Hmm his Insta account shows the book and its drawings too

#

Maybe whoever the girl in the photo is the author of that

shadow minnow
#

It’s been over a month. Still no news about cpu or mobo replacement…

misty saffron
#

i forgot to put the rubber thing back

#

cool

timid chasm
#

That's how babies are born

shadow minnow
young pecan
#

Right, I getchu.

#

Mm. Still going for the gigabyte card, or are you gonna just slap a waterblock on something?

ashen spindle
#

By the time he gets his parts rdna3 is out KEKW

halcyon moss
#

Tesla and "full self driving", its such a shit show

young pecan
#

The humans are still worse.

young pecan
#

It’s like running from a lion.

#

You don’t need to be the fastest, just not last. :P

vagrant pagoda
misty saffron
#

The general consensus seems to be that it's down to uncapped frame rates in menu screens

#

wat

vagrant pagoda
#

High frame rates cause power spikes

#

Most 3090s have shit cooling

misty saffron
#

if that is actually the culprit

#

nvidia fucked up

#

BIG time

ashen spindle
#

yet another title that couldn't point out it seems to be limited to evga cards

crimson wigeon
#

While that's sloppy coding, hardware shouldn't kill itself if you use it to its full extent..

ashen spindle
#

only evga cards with a certain bios/pcb show that behaviour

#

but every place is only saying "3090s are dying" 🙄

misty saffron
#

why doesn't nvidia check wtf companies are doing with the bios lol

ashen spindle
#

because it's not really known if it's purely a bios or pcb thing?

#

but given that is the commong thing so far, I'm inclined to believe evga fucked up

misty saffron
#

i would suspect power/temp limits are a software thing

vagrant pagoda
#

Yeah other GPUs just throttle

#

But EVGA has a power spike to the point something dies

#

Could be vrm or the gpu core

#

Or something unrelated that gets a spike

ashen spindle
#

it's also not know yet if the card fully bricks(unlikely)

misty saffron
#

it's retarded that nvidia doesn't check manufacturers' bioses then

#

isn't nvidia paying for all those warranty replacement chips

ashen spindle
#

again, not certain it's the bios either

vagrant pagoda
#

Only if it's the core

#

If the vrm cooks the GPU then it's in the aib

#

Or if the vrm blows

#

Which is why Nvidia put crazy limits on bioses back in the 9xx days till now

misty saffron
#

i doubt vrm can die because the core gets a little too excited

young pecan
#

I wish I could even see a 3090 anywhere at that cheap.

vagrant pagoda
#

To prevent heavy oc cards from kill the GPU and getting warrentied

#

It's why Intel went to integrated vrms

ashen spindle
#

given one guy with water cooling had a shut down and after reboot it worked again, it might just be something temperature related that trips and causes an after effect or who knows, we dont know yet

vagrant pagoda
#

The ivrm would blow a efuse if you pushed it to hard

#

Which they could check and deny warrenty

#

It could be a local hotspot that isn't close to a thermistor

#

That dies before the GPU can see the heat

misty saffron
#

i'm surprised nobody checked what died tbh

#

checking if vrms are dead is trivial

vagrant pagoda
#

I mean it isn't easy to diagnose a failed gpu

reef patrol
#

Most users don't know what those are, much less how to diag.

#

EVGA support is going to have a funtiem

misty saffron
#

it can be piss easy

vagrant pagoda
#

Yeah

young pecan
#

Hollow, mate.

vagrant pagoda
#

Most people don't own a multi meter lol

young pecan
#

Think about how stupid your average idiot is, and realise 90% of them are far stupider.

#

So nah.

misty saffron
#

fair

vagrant pagoda
#

Or hell

misty saffron
#

i watched too many of those gpu repair videos i guess

vagrant pagoda
#

Even the tools to remove the back plate

young pecan
#

You’d be amazed how daft some people seem to be.

#

I’m sorry, but unscrewing a backplate that consists of 7 screws is not a majorly difficult task.

#

Idc what anyone says.

vagrant pagoda
#

I have fixed GPU installs where someone upgraded and didn't plug the new pcie modular cables into the psu

#

They had the cables looped into the gpu

#

Lol

young pecan
#

Bruh.

misty saffron
#

bruh

young pecan
#

Wait what?

#

They just...

#

Looped them in?

#

What?

vagrant pagoda
#

Yeah added a handle

young pecan
#

What.

vagrant pagoda
#

A couple of modular cables are just pcie 8 pin on the psu side

young pecan
#

Did they think the power was magically getting in?

vagrant pagoda
#

Idk

misty saffron
#

wireless charging is all the rage nowadays

young pecan
vagrant pagoda
#

But it's happened TWICE

pale sigil
#

Yo remember

vagrant pagoda
#

Once was just the cable

pale sigil
#

Just like plugging the extension lead plug into the extension itself is unlimited powa

vagrant pagoda
#

Other time different person had single sleeve extensions too

misty saffron
vagrant pagoda
young pecan
misty saffron
#

because for some gpus pcie power is enough

vagrant pagoda
#

I did have one with correct power cables

misty saffron
#

e.g. 1050/1050ti

vagrant pagoda
#

But the GPU was in the last expansion slots

misty saffron
#

given your motherboard isn't shit

vagrant pagoda
#

With a matx

#

In an atx case

young pecan
#

PCI-E can safely give 75 watts.

#

But only REAL low end cards will do it.

vagrant pagoda
#

I don't think any motherboard won't give 75 lw on a single alot

young pecan
#

1030s and very few 1050s.

misty saffron
#

if the manufacturer cared about ensuring it gives that much power

vagrant pagoda
#

Now 75w on 3-4 slots is hard

#

1050ti

young pecan
#

Typically 1050Ti’s and above are cables.

vagrant pagoda
#

Some have no cables

young pecan
#

There’s a few rare ones, yeah.

vagrant pagoda
#

Some have them but will boot at lower clocks without

misty saffron
vagrant pagoda
#

Most lol

misty saffron
#

worked just fine

young pecan
#

Yeah ok, fine.

vagrant pagoda
#

Granted most 1050tis are in oem systems

young pecan
#

Lower the clocks and they work without cable, sure.

misty saffron
#

no lowered clocks

young pecan
#

But that’s retarded.

vagrant pagoda
#

I think most aib skipped that

young pecan
#

MakE 1050tI wOrSe iNsTeAd oF oVeRCloCkinG 1050.

#

Bruh.

vagrant pagoda
#

You can oc the slot powered ones

#

And they ones with the fancy bios only lowered to stock 1050ti clocks

young pecan
#

Yeah, but not 1050Tis.

#

Normal 1050s can do it fine.

vagrant pagoda
#

Yes they do lol

#

1050ti are fine with no pcie power

#

Even in oem systems

#

I have installed so many 1050tis in shitbox oem pcs

young pecan
#

Oh c’mon, you can push em so much further tho.

vagrant pagoda
#

With no pcie powwr

#

Never had a power issue

young pecan
#

It’s a pascal GPU, those things eat power.

vagrant pagoda
#

I think it was like xfx that had the fancy bios

#

And I just didn't buy them lol

misty saffron
#

uhm, i should probably mention the 1050tis were pre oc'd

vagrant pagoda
#

Go try one

#

Lol

young pecan
#

No? My old 1080Ti was something of a power juggernaut and so is my display 1050Ti.

vagrant pagoda
#

I have a 1080ti Xtreme

young pecan
#

Surprisingly high power tolerance.

misty saffron
#

you'll never see a 1050ti running hotter than 65 degrees on low as fuck fan speeds

vagrant pagoda
#

And even it isn't terrible

misty saffron
#

genuine

vagrant pagoda
#

You want power hungery

#

Get a 290x

young pecan
#

No I mean they can use heaps of power with no issues.

#

Really great overclocker cards.

pale sigil
#

I mean

vagrant pagoda
#

290x will pull 500+watts no issues

misty saffron
#

all for the juicy extra 5fps

pale sigil
#

30 series is pretty power hungry

young pecan
#

Mate, did you forget about the R9 Fury?

#

That thing did a record 1400 watts on LN2, iirc?

vagrant pagoda
#

And that's just over the pcie power lol

young pecan
#

3 power supplies needed at the time.

vagrant pagoda
#

I had cfx 290xs with a 1090t

ashen spindle
#

if you want high power draw just wait for next gen pepeLaughter

vagrant pagoda
#

I know of high power

#

I could trip ocp on a 1200w

young pecan
#

Lmfao

vagrant pagoda
#

I had a 420 + a morad

young pecan
#

Remember the i7 2600?

#

That CPU is terrifying.

vagrant pagoda
#

And it would eat power

vagrant pagoda
#

Atleast at ambient cooling

misty saffron
#

question

vagrant pagoda
#

Most desktop CPUs arent terrible

misty saffron
#

why don't manufacturers make console-style prebuilts

pale sigil
#

Skylake was poo

vagrant pagoda
#

Consoles make money selling games

misty saffron
#

i'd love an xbox series x-style prebuilt, even if unupgradeable

vagrant pagoda
#

OEM that builds a cheap ass prebuilt makes it nothing on games

#

Hence the steam deck

young pecan
#

Because they’re hard to make, time consuming, have a stupid upgrade path, and require specific components.

vagrant pagoda
#

Which will come with steam

#

Also most oems make shit pcs

ashen spindle
young pecan
vagrant pagoda
#

They don't care for actually designing something

#

Look at gns latest video

#

Dell

young pecan
#

Fucking hell.

#

That PC.

vagrant pagoda
#

Strapped a Intel alu slug cooler on a Ryzen 5

misty saffron
young pecan
vagrant pagoda
#

Not even fucking am3 cooler mounts

misty saffron
#

but i guess it's actually too much effort

vagrant pagoda
#

Then buy a steam deck

#

Kek

ashen spindle
#

yeah but the 50 people who would pay for it aren't enough to afford the OEM the tooling to make their own good "pc console"

vagrant pagoda
#

The worst thing

misty saffron
young pecan
#

Closest thing you can buy to a PC console is a Corsair One.

#

Take it or leave it.

vagrant pagoda
#

The best designed desktop pc

#

Is a fucking m1 imac

#

It's amazing from an engineering and design side

ashen spindle
misty saffron
#

corsair one looks pretty fucking cool

vagrant pagoda
#

I'd totally buy a m1 iMac once they Linux drivers work good

reef patrol
#

It's very thermally downclocked though

vagrant pagoda
#

For a terminal pc

reef patrol
#

iirc from Linus comparison.

young pecan
#

Only downside is the cost.

vagrant pagoda
young pecan
#

They are quite expensive.

vagrant pagoda
#

Or do you mean the Corsair?

reef patrol
vagrant pagoda
#

Oh yeah for a workstations

#

But for just desktop

#

Web/text/email

#

It's fucking perfect

misty saffron
#

also upgradable enough, damn

vagrant pagoda
#

Single cable

#

I wish you could get some type c monitors

#

That are powered over it

#

But I guess PC/motherboard makers need to add PD ports

misty saffron
#

was about to tell virtuallink but apparently it's just 27w

vagrant pagoda
#

Only way to get PD on desktop is with thunder bolt sadly

misty saffron
#

Thunderbolt 3 has up to 15 watts of power delivery

vagrant pagoda
#

Also I can't even find a type c hub for desktop lol

vagrant pagoda
misty saffron
#

Using USB-C on copper cables, it can incorporate USB Power Delivery, allowing the ports to source or sink up to 100 watts of power.

#

oh

vagrant pagoda
#

It has a boost converter for 20v pd

#

My phone really wants to correct pd to pb

#

Also source I own one

misty saffron
#

and pro display xdr needs aux power.. huh

#

is 100w not enough then

vagrant pagoda
#

The only thing hooked to my PC that is still type a is my mouse

misty saffron
#

backlight much

vagrant pagoda
#

Yeah for the backlight

#

For hdr brightness

#

A normal monitor, even a 4k, is less

misty saffron
#

sad apple doesn't make normal displays anymore

#

just connecting that thing to a macbook with one cable sounds quite noice

vagrant pagoda
#

Hell my cx48 OLED is sub 100w

#

I mean for desktops even

#

Having to hook display, power and usb to it

misty saffron
#

but... oled+hdr is even more power than pro display xdr?

vagrant pagoda
#

Add a extra pcie power to a gpu

#

Give it pd type ca

#

And you could have a dual screen setup with single cable to screens

misty saffron
#

meh, they won't do it

#

thunderbolt 3 cables are already quite expensive and short

vagrant pagoda
#

It doesn't have to be a thunderbolt connector

#

Just type c USB

misty saffron
#

Passive lower cost cables are only capable of 20Gbps data transfer at 1m or 2m lengths, but can achieve the full 40Gbps at a shorter cable length of 0.5m.

#

how much data does a displayport cable push at 4k120?

#

about a gigabyte per second non-hdr

#

hm

hard thicket
#

since DSC is a thing bandwidth is not longer a issue anymore

#

except you go to the extremes

shadow minnow
shadow minnow
shadow minnow
astral haven
#

Without dsc

#

Dsc allows hdr 4k240

shadow minnow
# astral haven Dsc allows hdr 4k240

Sure, but it’s loosy. And still will not allow you two 4k144 hdr monitors. At least afaik. DP 2.0 UHBR 20 however, should be able to deliver 4k240 10 bpc with no compression.

astral haven
#

In most scenarios it's true lossless, and it Is visually lossless

shadow minnow
# vagrant pagoda Having to hook display, power and usb to it

Tbh it would be nice if you could power monitor by USB C. Would not need extra lanes since you could use pd lanes that would normally allow 100w, even though that may be issue if monitor has USB hub, being not enough. It can also serve as USB 2.0 pass through, but atm with DP 1.4 you won’t get 4k144 10bpc without compression.

shadow minnow
astral haven
#

You tried it?

#

Cause I have

vagrant pagoda
#

Yeah that's what I ment

astral haven
#

And it's absolutely not visible

shadow minnow
#

Like, if it’s the only option, sure, but for example it’s better to just use HDMI 2.1 for 4k144 hdr to not get any compression.

astral haven
#

Yea that's incorrect

#

12b 4k120 hdr on displayport is apparently visually superior to 10b 4k120 hdr on hdmi

shadow minnow
#

Well, it’s 12b so of course it’s better

#

Except, HDMI 2.1 should be able to do 4k120 12bpc too

astral haven
#

"oh but compression"
Whine

shadow minnow
#

48gbps version at least

astral haven
#

Bandwidth wise but last I checked it's not in spec

shadow minnow
#

It’s not in spec but custom signaling should not be the hardest. 4k144 10bpc is also usually done by custom signaling and from what I have heard it does not really bring any issues.

astral haven
#

Point is a guy I know actually has gone out and bought all the monitors he can find that do hdr and he found that the 4k144 hdr monitors running at 120 10b over displayport bring the best results

#

12b wasnt distinguishable but didn't bring any downgrades

shadow minnow
#

Did he try monitors with HDMI 2.1 too? Can get extra refresh rate without compression.

astral haven
astral haven
shadow minnow
#

Not really, there is change in content displayed so it’s never really indistinguishable even if it’s really hard, or basically impossible for people to distinguish.

astral haven
#

That is not true

#

It is a technical term that means data that is perceptible cannot be lost

shadow minnow
astral haven
#

Now
Is dsc actually meeting that definition?
Dunno, noone has found an issue with it yet that warrants investigation...

#

Apparently HDMI isn't happy with hdr

#

And HDMI is particularly unhappy with longer cables
Certified 5m and 50m cables don't exist

shadow minnow
astral haven
#

You ever heard of lossless compression?

shadow minnow
shadow minnow
astral haven
#

Well remember
When you aren't showing literal Fullscreen random noise, dsc is lossless...

#

Like data lossless not video lossless

#

The dsc alg is actual insanity

shadow minnow
#

I mean, sure, but what about when you are displaying noise, or lot of text lul
Not that it usually mattered, just really don’t think there is a reason to go even bit loosy if you don’t have to. And with monitor I have don’t think there were issues with HDR.

astral haven
#

When you are dealing with actual hdr, think LG CX and pa32ucg you are seeing issues that won't show up on the fake hdr garbo that the two of us have

shadow minnow
#

From what I have heard it’s not issue with this monitor, but can’t test it yet tbh, since I don’t have a dGPU yet, since either not in stock or overpriced.

astral haven
#

Want a 3090?

#

Oh you aren't a us peep nvm

zenith sonnet
shadow minnow
# astral haven Want a 3090?

The biggest issue I have is that I am looking for exact model of 3080 ti.
3080 of that model was in stock 4 days ago, but for well over MSRP unfortunately.

astral haven
shadow minnow
# astral haven Ah ~~3090 better flex tho~~

Sure, but useless. Would go for 3080 but 4K, and playing modded games often, VRAM may became an issue. And running out of VRAM has bad results. Also that exact model does not have active cooling of back of the card, so half of 3090’s VRAM would suffer.

ashen spindle
#

well you still have about 16 months before it's outdated, so gl getting one till then peepoGiggle

shadow minnow
#

Does not really matter atm too since I am waiting for mobo and cpu replacement, one of them being faulty. It’s been over 35 days and no updates lul

astral haven
crisp granite
astral haven
crisp granite
#

so...basically unplayable 90% of the time

shadow minnow
astral haven
#

3090 + optimus :P

crisp granite
astral haven
#

Or blyski

crisp granite
shadow minnow
#

In fact the custom loop is already working, only issue being that only thing it’s cooling, is well… the pump itself. But at least pressing PSU power button does something lul

crisp granite
#

just...

#

buy card

#

waterblock

#

remove stock cooler

#

install waterblock

astral haven
#

I mean tbh wait like 3 weeks for the Chinese cards to trickle out

crisp granite
#

keep stock cooler in case you need to run it outside of the loop or resell

shadow minnow
#

One thing is that with current prices it would be more expensive. Then also the fact that I want the card for design too, even though it’s worse than last gen. Still want to go with exact model since how long I have been waiting and will not upgrade

crisp granite
#

well then

astral haven
#

Here's the thing tho
Most of the stock waterblock are very bad

crisp granite
#

I wish you the best of luck securing a GPU at a price that isn't completely insane

ashen spindle
shadow minnow
#

Few days ago 3080 model was for 1570€. Really bad, but also same as aircooled models.

ashen spindle
#

give those skus still directly sell out and new stock aint a thing for a while

crisp granite
#

those arctic replacement GPU air coolers?

astral haven
#

🤷‍♂️ for example

crisp granite
#

or running custom loops, I guess

astral haven
#

But also people who would have bought an air cooled card and swapped the block instead going custom loop because it's an option

#

Anyways tbh I'm surprised with how well this aio is dealing with the heat

#

Hotspot well into the 60s even at 480 watts

#

And cause the core is so cool, the memory is also fairly cool, 78w max

shadow minnow
# astral haven Incorrect

Well, hopefully the prices will start improving, since now there are actually GPUs in stock even if overpriced.

ashen spindle
astral haven
#

🤷‍♂️ small partners get boned

crisp granite
#

that's more than my entire system draws...but only from your GPU

#

I hope you got a 1600 watt PSU to feed that thing

astral haven
#

Yup

#

But also
Wall power is ~700w in stress tests

crisp granite
#

wow

shadow minnow
#

I wanted to get a 1000w cpu but Corsair stopped making it and ran out of stock just before, with no replacements. So had to go 850w, hopefully enough for custom loop 11900k + 3080 ti

astral haven
#

Ye my sf750 was handling 3090 and 9900k mce disabled just fine

crisp granite
#

it probably will so long as you don't go with an insane OC

astral haven
#

Can't handle mce tho

#

And def wouldn't handle this new card

#

Leave GPU at stock pl and set manual voltages on the 11900k and you should be fine

shadow minnow
ashen spindle
#

or just don't run some weird aida benchmark while gaming and your cpu isn't pulling full power and it's not issue lol

astral haven
#

Even Aida can't stress 11th gen fully
Only p95 and occt can

ashen spindle
#

that just further proves my point that during gaming it's not gonna be under full power draw kek

astral haven
#

Yup

shadow minnow
#

At this point I have just stopped really expecting the cpu or mobo to arrive. Was excited at first but now, waiting over 70 days in total to get it working again, kinda ran out of it.

astral haven
#

Its so crazy
My idle temps on a custom loop with a 5950x are in the same order of magnitude as an 11700k while gaming
60c vs 65c
I really don't get the 11th gen hot memes
5000 is hot

#

Kinda wishing I went 11th gen
Then I remember there aren't any good 11th gen boards and I'm even more sad

shadow minnow
#

I mean, Aldi’s not ran stress tests for long, but my 11900k also did not really get hot in benchmarks with no OC, but bad aircooler and iGPU + AVX512 enabled.

shadow minnow
astral haven
#

X16 slot + x8 slot
Electrically

crisp granite
#

I thought it would be something to do with VRM phases

shadow minnow
astral haven
astral haven
shadow minnow
#

Which board was that?

astral haven
#

And 11th gen has 16+4+8 from the cpu

astral haven
#

Where 9th gen is 16+4 only

shadow minnow
#

I mean, if both connected things are gen 4, it’s kinda like having two pcie 3 x16 slots, but that’s usually not the case

astral haven
#

Exactly

#

I have 3 pcie 2.0x8 ssds

#

X8 required, won't initialize in an x4

shadow minnow
#

Yeah, for that it sucks

astral haven
#

I had to throw them in a nas to get them to work with my x570

#

Using said ws z390 lel

shadow minnow
#

Not a problem for me luckily since I have only one, even though gen 4 ssd.
Would be nice if you could run pcie x12 too imo tbh. Especially for things when you have x4 sth in second slot, so main could run at x12 instead of just x8

astral haven
#

11th gen has 12 additional lanes tho...

#

16 gen 4 + 4 additional 4 gen 4 and 8 gen 3

vapid zodiac
#

whats the point of running a passive cooler, and then a dedicated fan for your drives?

astral haven
#

It's not gonna be a passive cooler soon

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Lel

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I'm just trying out all 2 options for coolers without fans in the box

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Tisis core is looking like the winner atm for normal use

shadow minnow
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I think I have one of the best cooling potential to cooled thing ratio.
One pe 360 and one xe 360 rad, with just pump producing heat lul

astral haven
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Nah
Plenty of folks with moras cooling consumer cpus

shadow minnow
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But like, at least I can see water running arround. If I was not lazy, I could maybe also again upload my program for pwm fan control on arduino and use it to regulate pump and also fans, but yeah, too lazy for that lul

astral haven
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You also arent required to plug it in yet...

shadow minnow
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Don’t wanna run pump at full speed for no reason for that long tbh.

astral haven
shadow minnow
astral haven
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Unplug the molex or whatever...

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If you don't have your CPU blocked yet it's unnecessary

shadow minnow
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Just unplugged PSU, no reason not to since only active component in that pc is pump, and well, not connected fans lul

shadow minnow
astral haven
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Oh
So you aren't running it then

ashen spindle
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did you even ask whats going on or are you just hoping they get back to you?

shadow minnow
astral haven
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And why don't you unplug it for now? While nothing is needed?

shadow minnow
ashen spindle
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but how long ago was that

shadow minnow
astral haven
shadow minnow
ashen spindle
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so you last asked them 35 days ago and no updates since then?

shadow minnow
shadow minnow
ashen spindle
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man I would've already pestered them if I dont hear anything for over a month lol

astral haven
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My battlestation is fully operational

shadow minnow
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My loop is too lul

astral haven
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And I currently have 2 spare GPUs
1 is a 3090

astral haven
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Evga queue fam

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I am trying to get rid of the second 3090

ashen spindle
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well rdna3 coming q4 next year, so worst case by then you have options again kek

astral haven
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Look at the new guy suffering in there lol

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^

ashen spindle
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well if my pc is running on hot air instead, color me impressed

astral haven
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Amd doesn't make many GPUs
And would be very dumb to make more

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The CPus are just so many orders of magnitude more profitable

crimson wigeon
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nah, have another SKU

ashen spindle
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but amd has never announced the drops on twitter afaik?

astral haven
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The totals for 6000 series on steam are on the order of ~50k vs the 3m of 30 series
And that 50k probably lost amd about a million dollars in revenue that could have been epyc or ryzen

ashen spindle
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yeah by interfacing with store APIs and distributors

astral haven
ashen spindle
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you mean frank azor? he posted he manually bought one, nothing about a drop lol

astral haven
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Azor is marketing?

ashen spindle
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would think so

astral haven
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Oh shit he is

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Hunh

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Well it wasn't him
I don't remember their name but they said the date and time of a future drop

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I was arguing this with someone "noone is dumb enough to announce their drops ahead of time"
And was proven wrong by amd and nvidia apparently too

ashen spindle
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well I dont remember that and even if, it probably was just a one time thing?

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far from "have to be a social media whore"

astral haven
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The drops have been at the same time every week same day of the week since then... hidethepain

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Amazon had 5900xes last week

ashen spindle
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I mean after the second time someone would’ve noticed that it was on the same time

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So even without announcement it would’ve been the same afterwards

astral haven
astral haven
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I wanted a CPU this year...

ashen spindle
astral haven
ashen spindle
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meanwhile germany is having all zen3 cpus in stock for months, even a bit below MSRP kek

astral haven
ashen spindle
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damn the 5600x is 40€ off lol

astral haven
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Wow a terrible value CPU doesn't sell for euro MSRP?
Very surprising -_-

crisp granite
astral haven
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Yup

crisp granite
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wow, so that's how you're pulling insane OCs

ashen spindle
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wait what do you mean terrible value cpu? 5600x is great for gaming

crisp granite
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literally the best GPU money can buy

astral haven
shadow minnow
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Same, was just beginning of this year for me. Now only lacking dGPU and pcie riser

astral haven
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Only people who should buy the 5600x are eSports folks who aren't willing to buy vipers

ashen spindle
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so you think people should go for a 5800x instead or what thonk

crisp granite
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I got a 3600XT and I feel it's enough for basic gaming now, but it definitely won't be in a few years

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also won't be enough for streaming, or video editing should that need arise

astral haven
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10600k or 10700k
10700k is cheaper and faster with bdie
10600k is hugely cheaper and matches with high speed ram

crisp granite
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...

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never thought I'd consider intel as a legitimate option

astral haven
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3000 series is fairly priced but slower

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After buying 5000 series I can easily say not to buy it

crisp granite
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most definitely, but the XT line is fairly...meh

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it's a bit of a better clockspeed, but not worth the extra cash

astral haven
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Last I checked xt prices are reasonable now at half? Msrp

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Lel

shadow minnow
astral haven
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I want my Intel stability back :(

astral haven
ashen spindle
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I hope you are factoring in board prices, which is the main reason I disagree on the cost efficency of the 5600x

astral haven
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Oh get rekt lol

crisp granite
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wow

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5800X is $530 CAD

astral haven
crisp granite
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11700K is $400

ashen spindle
crisp granite
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might as well go intel for an 8 core

ashen spindle
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my 5600x runs perfectly fine peepoShrug

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on the 150€ b550

astral haven
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And 5000 series xmp disabled is like running a fish in a horse race

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150 euro isn't cheap...

ashen spindle
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compared to what you pay on intel for same specs? I would say so

astral haven
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$150 z490 runs 4400

crisp granite
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wow, intel mobos, at least ITX side, are fucking absurdly priced

astral haven
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$150 b550 ain't gonna be able to run 3800 without wheas

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Itx is absurd pricing

crisp granite
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it's not this bad on the AMD side though

astral haven
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Only b550 worth buying is the unify...

shadow minnow
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Irony is, that itx boards may be best for their prices for ram OC since atx boards in that price range usually have 4 ram slots

astral haven
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And the x570s have fans...

astral haven
shadow minnow
crisp granite
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$430 CAD for an Z590 Unify, while I've never seen an AMD ITX mobo of any chipset priced higher than $300 CAD

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😬

astral haven
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Nah not Intel unify
The b550 unify-x