https://www.hardwaretimes.com/what-is-the-difference-between-gddr5-vs-ddr5-vs-lpddr5-memory/ not the best article but the best I could find on a quick search
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
https://videocardz.com/newz/first-mini-pcs-with-amd-ryzen-9-5900hx-processors-spotted ah nice, finally good alternatives intels NUCs
young pecan
Idk if I’d be brave enough to put a 5900HX in there.
thick elk
these type of higher power mobile chips are pretty common in small form factor pc's
There have been a number of them with 4700u's and 4800u's as well.
shadow minnow
Nice Google. So useful when every time it’s correct it appears again and it’s impossible to use google search.
wheat plume
I once had one of those "select the car" type ones
that gave me like 10 sets of images in a row
I was there almost 2 minutes
thick elk
The thing I hate most about the captcha's is the time it takes to load the images after you click.
It just slows things down, even when clicking on them pretty fast
shadow minnow
that gave me like 10 sets of images in a row
That’s one bad thing. But this way it’s worse because it seems like you have done it, and then it loads page again and shows it again. Had to use bing instead 
thick elk
I personally just use duckduckgo while defaulting to !g, however if something like this would happeen, I would just use plain duckduckgo
wheat plume
using !g bypasses the captchas??
ashen spindle
ddg just uses bing as search engine anyway so it makes no difference for these one time usecases
so just use bing as its less to type 
ashen spindle
never knew ddg has a shorter link
wheat plume
I only found out like a month ago
ashen spindle
same bad search results still so w/e
old marlin
are there any somewhat recent raspberry clones that take an SSD of any kind and doesn't cost 2 times as much as a pi 4?
cause a rockpi is like 100€ without the m.2 hat
ashen spindle
uhh depends on what you want to do with it
old marlin
not much
ashen spindle
xilinx has some cheap things that use a FPGA instead of an arm cpu if that is good enough
old marlin
like it just has to be able to runs an OS with a GUI
and it needs to be able to just boot from an SSD
without using the hacky ways required with a raspberry
cause I could not get octopi to boot from anything but an SD card
vagrant pagoda
Know why my local best buy had no GPUs in the morning
ashen spindle
yeah it's been a dry month, almost now new units recently
just when prices were declining so did production zzz
crisp granite
Know why my local best buy had no GPUs in the morning
yeah, where's my axe?
I need it to behead that fucker
ashen spindle
people working at best buy aren't really a good source for that
pale sigil
Best buy aren't a good source for anything
ashen spindle
can't judge that as we dont have best buy here but I just doubt that would be a place for such a thing to come out from
and not any other leaker or reliable source
yeah but that is the same for any model, not only on founders edition
no founders cards because no cards at all currently
yea it lags behind due to shipping ofc
that's a long list of 0 cards coming in when the stock is gone
crisp granite
welp, that sucks for my homies, all of em were waiting for stock and price to "normalise" before buying GPUs
turns out this is the new normal
bots, scalping scum and miners
ashen spindle
I mean this is nothing new, we are still not at the time where people said it would normalise again
crisp granite
I just wish NVidia and AMD could actually crack down on mining on their gaming cards to prevent miners from scooping them all up instead of their actual mining accelerators lineup
that way, we wouldn't have huge issues with miners buying cards by the pallet
and scalpers scalping cards for twice the price knowing miners will buy them
ashen spindle
are we really going over this again, that miners are not helping but also not make any actual impact on this and it would be mostly the same with 0 mining going on
crisp granite
Quin, Aeon has....5 or 6 RTX 3070s, that's 5 or 6 gamers without GPUs rn
and Aeon is small fish compared to a lot of other miners
no shit it's only a part of the problem
but it's a part of the problem that is fixable and avoidable in the future
ashen spindle
yes and some random best buy just had way over 300 rtx cards in a one single drop and mindfactory here also sells heaps constantly
yes it looks like a lot if you look at the mining farm pictures
until you see that a single retailer sells more in a single week
crisp granite
and steam is picking up more RTX 3000 and RX 6000 gpus, blah blah blah
and how many are going into scalper hands?
I'd wager a decent chunk, possibly the majority
ashen spindle
scalpers and miners are two very different issues
crisp granite
the scalpers get fed by those paying for the cards
both fed up gamers, and miners
the gamers...I don't blame em and they still shouldn't, but the miners are addressable in the future
ashen spindle
why do you want something to be addressed that at most makes a difference of one week over the course of a year+
crisp granite
hm
I'll stop complaining
but if this persists even post covid, with the next GPU launch
I'll raise a huge stink
mkay?
ashen spindle
sure, if it's caused by miners
crisp granite
partially
ashen spindle
I'm not defending mining for the waste that it is or say it matters to 0%
but I don't get the point of putting so much blame on something, when like 95% of the issue come from elsewhere
the last 5% barely matter
sure it's an easy way to have a target to complain about
astral haven
When gamers have at least 3 million cards it's really not too bad
And that's from 30 series alone
ashen spindle
just take a look cpus, we also have a cpu shortage and literally nobody is mining on cpus
ashen spindle
well there is a 7nm TSMC shortage, a intel 10nm shortage and nvidia it's not as obvious if it's samsung or memory or w/e causing it
astral haven
10nm shortage?
There's stock of tiger lake everywhere you look
Nvidia shortage is caused by crazy demand
The 3080 has made more revenue than the 1060 has
ashen spindle
ice lake SP certainly is not there in the mass that servers want
astral haven
Servers don't want ice lake yet there's still more ice lake deployments than epyc...
Intel is vomiting out wafers at a horrific pace
astral haven
Servers don't want ice lake yet there's still more ice lake deployments than epy...
What is impressive is that all of epyc combined is over 20% now iirc
And on the top500 list it's over 40%
ashen spindle
dont remember the list but I imagine lots of them use A100s and such that only come on epyc for pcie4?
astral haven
Most of the top500 has more CPUs than GPUs even if they have gpus
And a100 is usually 1:4 CPU to gpu
crisp granite
...
chrome estuary
i want one
crisp granite
Why is there a dial on the bottom of the handgrip?
gas pressure
it's a gas operated paintball gun
reef patrol
Oh it's a Painball.
crisp granite
Lumi... get .500 S&W
chrome estuary
eugh
chrome estuary
my stepbrother has two
crisp granite
:|
yikes
much welt
very pain
actually, fuck that
that'll break skin
oh
nice
welp
ashen spindle
crisp granite
for home defence, pretty good ngl
easier to use without training compared to a standard pistol
also easier to train for
less residue, less noise
less lethal but still hurts like a bitch and would subdue an attacker
reef tundra
So, bring gas mask and put steel plates in the plate carriers. 
good to know
crimson wigeon
Oh this prebuilt series is fun, why are they so bad anyway
ashen spindle
Dell is legit trying, a custom intel cooler on amd CPU
reef tundra
No right angles
ashen spindle
Neither a full on amd cooler nor a regular intel cooler
crimson wigeon
Well it should be good cooling right?
ashen spindle
bad example because it's very likely they will change that for hades, seen how they already even have a custom border for 21:9 to not have normal black borders
also, it's a picture of a screen from an angle, no way to tell how bad or good it will be in person
though I wouldn't mind 16:10 to die
hate that resolution
crisp granite
that looks f-awful
like...really shitty TN panel levels of shitty blacks and generally flat colour
glad I dodged that steamdeck now more than ever
that screen alone is a deal breaker
ashen spindle
crisp granite
reef tundra
How much would that be caused due to glossy screen and studio light burning on that screen?
crisp granite
so...it's the same actual screen, game is still being displayed 16:9, but with cool graphics filling in the extra bits
ashen spindle
yeah its just a custom border instead of black bars
reef tundra
Who needs the ui when you have the shell
crimson wigeon
Yeah they've already announced it's just bog standard KDE Plasma behind the curtain
zenith sonnet
God, that's terrible. Can you use the black borders still?
astral haven
What
crimson wigeon
That's great, the Activate Windows watermark of shame doesn't intrude on the game!
astral haven
Someone needs to make an activate windows watermark overlay app for linux
crimson wigeon
Sounds easy enough
crimson wigeon
Depends, since I'm living in a Wayland world with a wlroots compositor it's very easy to make overlays that show on top of everything
ashen spindle
oh yeah thats one of the benefits of having 21:9 screen and playin decent ammount of 16:9 games lmao
migth activate it once Im done with home office and wont need a separate work/gaming pc with the license of the other one
but so far it doesnt bother so 
crimson wigeon
There we go
reef tundra
type ||'btw, i use arch'|| if you need to use my key.
zenith sonnet
@reef patrolHow often would I need to replace the thermal pads under my GPU block?
I know they have limited life, but I don't know how long they actually last
reef tundra
2 years?
reef patrol
In another generation or two 😄
wheat plume
pacman 6 parallel download is insane
reef tundra
Nah
wheat plume
it just looks so chaotic, all these lines going across the screen xd
astral haven
Bezels are nescessary
...
But not that much
misty saffron
i am never taking a macbook board out again
it’s so bad i am about to shout racist words
astral haven
Must be old since it has a heatpipe 
astral haven
Absolutely prehistoric
misty saffron
2017 actually
thermal paste turned into gum so
who came on the cpu man
came on it too though
astral haven
Oooh edram
astral haven
Nescessary for handheld devices
To make the device useable...
Yea some of us aren't double jointed
It's running in dual channel mode since van Gough or whatever it's called runs a teamed imc
Dual 64b channels
young pecan
Honestly, I feel like thinner phones kinda suck.
There's defo a tipping point where thin just doesn't give benefit.
Like you're losing cooling, power, battery capacity, better screen tech, damage resistance, better cameras, and a whole host of other stuff.
Heaps of which could be gained by just adding 2 or 3mm to the design.
astral haven
yes
young pecan
Idk. To me it's not even remotely worth it.
Especially given the sheer amount of flexion damage problems you get with thinner devices.
That and I'd actually kill someone to have more battery in a phone.
astral haven
<choir
astral haven
Like you're losing cooling, power, battery capacity, better screen tech, damage ...
Preaching^
young pecan
Hmm.
What features would you ask for in a phone that can't fit in a thin af phone?
For me I'd have to say better screen and battery tech, the camera means so little to me already.
astral haven
drop tolerance
young pecan
Underscreen tech? Better front facing cams for facial detection and the such.
young pecan
Need better materials for that.
I HEAVILY disagree with just making the glass thicker.
Wouldn't stop from any surface damage, so all you're really doing it trading cracked for scratched, both suck.
Need a new material.
young pecan
Kinda.
Cracked you replace.
Scratched you can try and help, but ultimately it's too much work.
astral haven
scratched doesnt break the oled layer
young pecan
True.
You also introduce the problem of thick screens causing issues with underscreen tech.
Underscreen fingerprint sensor is something I'd take over thick glass.
astral haven
nah thats just calibration
young pecan
Kinda sorta. Surface damage really fucks with it.
Still glass being an issue, we need a better material anyway.
astral haven
fuck optical, ultrasonic for life
young pecan
^ Actually yeah.
Very pog, that.
Eh, most breaks are corners hitting the floor directly or something sharp hitting it.
So you're prolly a little in advantage.
astral haven
usb 4 when
timid chasm
#surprised
#NOT
Even the refurbished one I bought for the GPU was better than the new one they bought 😂
timid chasm
For?
oh for the laptop
that's...weird
I bought a refurbished desktop and received it in like 4 days
fuckin cancel it and buy from somebody else
thick elk
Wow that's dell levels of bad, oh wait it's dell so never mind.
old marlin
cause the other ones are also shit
young pecan
Except server PSUs.
I think Dell wins in 1U PSUs.
Y'know, so long as you peak at 1200W.
old marlin
dell has better support
timid chasm
Is that opinion based entirely on GN's videos? lol
old marlin
oh ok
thick elk
For consumer things I would say Dell laptops are not that terrible, just don't buy them from Dell, and deal with the support of pretty much any other store.
old marlin
statistics say dell is still better iirc
old marlin
For consumer things I would say Dell laptops are not that terrible, just don't b...
actually for business things dell laptops are also pretty good
old marlin
oh yea gaming laptops is just 
thick elk
their business side is different yea, and I think a lot better.
old marlin
I have an alienware laptop
young pecan
You guys should see HPs bulletin board.
old marlin
a lot better than I initially expected
young pecan
It's nut worthy.
It just shows everything, all of the details about everything they have ever produced.
And it's all cross referenced and all that.
So finding compatibility between anything they do is godly.
Just select a server or something and it shows you exactly what things are and aren't compatible. 
old marlin
Just select a server or something and it shows you exactly what things are and a...
dl380 g8 riser compatability is a big questionmark for me
timid chasm
Is it a 1080p screen? Those laptop high res screens are fucking unbearable
young pecan
Just download that, do the 250GB or something download in the app, and it shows you EVERYTHING HP has ever done.
All of the stuff.
And I literally do mean everything they have ever done.
All of it.
Wait, it's Intel?
Lmfao, go Ryzen in a laptop. Those things are great.
This.
timid chasm
Unless it's a 5800 maybe. They're a little spicy
young pecan
They're still faster in every way except AVX512?
Ryzen CPUs don't have an iGPU.
Unless it's the G variants, but they still perform better than the Intel counterparts?
Actually does Intel have anything that outright wins rn?
Maybe in the server space? Random Xeon or something?
Even next gen it'll just be the same story, Intel doesn't really have much to fight back with. shrugs
We know they're working on chiplets, but we haven't seen anything practical and we all know they'd be boasting if they had it atm.
So what else are they going to do? Obscenely expensive binned chips?
Isn't that more due to the lack of Ryzen?
Maybe it's all of the people needing AVX512.
timid chasm
AMD cpus are pretty easy to get on their site. Usually pops up in stock once a week
You can fucking forget it with gpus though
young pecan
Ikr. Been seeing shitloads of 3070s for my mine, but very few AMD.
And the few that I am seeing are all low end and/or way overpriced.
timid chasm
Seen 0 gpus anywhere here
timid chasm
Yeah very rarely do you immediately find examples of how good or average they are. You either find the shit they did poorly or the shit they exceeded expectations on
Like an unrealistic amount of exceeding expectations I mean
zenith sonnet
@neat oriole Ya know anything about microphones?
neat oriole
Not really
I daily an SM57 with a little windscreen and it sounds good for v/o stuff
And it’s also extremely overkill for discord
zenith sonnet
I'm looking for dynamic mics
crimson wigeon
can't go wrong with a 57 eh
zenith sonnet
I got a capsule mic, but it doesn't suit my usecase at all
zenith sonnet
You can literally hear people two rooms over talk
young pecan
'Cause if you want basic just grab a Rode NT1 or NT1A/Audiotechnica AT2020/2035 and slap Nvidia Broadcast on that bitch.
zenith sonnet
Purpose. I need two. One for me, one for my wife.
It should not pick up the other person talking.
zenith sonnet
Yes
young pecan
Then what you want is an Audiotechnia AT2035 with Nvidia Broadcast, Voicemeeter, and a dividing wall.
Is about what I would suggest at the low end in that use case.
zenith sonnet
Points two and four are no option
young pecan
Then you'll get crosstalk.
No exceptions.
What you want is either prohibitively expensive or requires some DIY.
zenith sonnet
Meh, don't believe it
You see streamers all the time where you cannot hear them, or another person when they're like more than 70cm away from the mic
Unless maybe they scream
young pecan
Yes, that's a thing on expensive mics.
zenith sonnet
No podcast, no
young pecan
Dynamic mics tend to be... not fantastic.
zenith sonnet
That's why I've been asking for a dynamic mic
young pecan
I mean, unless you wanna spend heaps.
neat oriole
A single dynamic mic isn’t going to solve the problem of another person in the room tho
static acorn
If moving to a different space or being in different rooms was an option we would do it, unfortunately it is not.
neat oriole
Get 2 dynamic mics and see if it’s good enough for you I guess 
young pecan
Not cheap, those. :L
You could DIY a wall and make some decent panels for less than half of one of them.
neat oriole
Yeah a physical barrier would help a bit
young pecan
Dynamic mics also are not suited for that use case.
They're built for instruments and loud noises.
So anything soft tends to get rekt by them.
neat oriole
I mean you can use them for anything really, they’re just used for instruments a lot of the times
young pecan
Best quality I'd wager would be a dividing wall, some decent acoustic panels (DIY or no, doesn't matter), and some good condenser mics with a neutral sound floor.
It's only when you start getting into professional recording you'd really need to go more advanced, and 90% of that cost would be in the mic anyway.
Scarlet?
Marketplace scarlet?
They were showing up for like, $50.
zenith sonnet
Well, looking at prices
You probably can't get a decent one for 40 bucks, but it doesn't look like dynamic mics immediately break the bank either
zenith sonnet
It does look good
wheat plume
I was wondering if he was going to make a video about the Steam Deck!
or well, more about the desktop its going to be running on
ashen spindle
though granted it seems all the reports are coming from people with an EVGA cards so fault may be at them and not nvidia
young pecan
though granted it seems all the reports are coming from people with an EVGA card...
Holy fuck.
crimson wigeon
Excellent, sounds like it's gonna be a good benchmark then
reef patrol
If your card can't handle being maxed out for hours at a time, either your card's design sucks or your case is starved of airflow xD
ashen spindle
given some said they couldnt reach the temps with 7 hours of stresstest
it's probably something else
timid chasm
Is this from the current version only? Played on a 3090 last alpha and didn't seem to show any issues? Not EVGA though
ashen spindle
I've not seen a non-EVGA model having the reported issue
reef patrol
It's the SC2 main menu "no fps limiter" drama all over again. If your PC can't handle being "furmarked" (that's a verb now cause I said so), then your PC is the issue, not the game. (It's downright terrible programming though xD)
ashen spindle
and I think (though not fully sure) the ones that were mentioned share the same PCB
timid chasm
Solid verb. That's my go-to to test temps honestly. 4k max for furmark
ashen spindle
how is it the PC's fault if this goes above furmark and other burn in tests
reef patrol
how is it the PC's fault if this goes above furmark and other burn in tests
How ... would they do that? Furmark's entire idea is to max out the card xD
crimson wigeon
Correct, it's the fault of those tests not actually stressing hard enough
ashen spindle
that is literally what people are reporting, getting higher temps than 7 hours of stresstest
so it could be some sort of resource usage that causes higher temps but the VRM is failing to trip OCP/OHP or whatever
reef patrol
I remain very skeptical - Especially as far as "bricking cards" go, cause at that point the card should self reset.
ashen spindle
I just kinda doubt all people who have bad airflow happen to share the same EVGA 3090 models
what I do agree on, it might not be bricked just in some state that isn't auto recovered
timid chasm
Get a Dell 3090 like me and be superior 😂
reef patrol
EVGA has had pleeeenty of issues with their 3000 cards.
young pecan
Haven’t had issues with mine with crypto.
reef patrol
I know a handful of people who had their cards fry from being waterblocked - Every single card was RMA'ed and suddenly had the correct clearance.
young pecan
I have 4x XC3 ultras and 2x FTW3s.
None have been acting up.
Anything I should be eyeballing here, do we think?
Mem is extremely highly clocked.
+2700. If that’s a problem I might turn it down a wee bit.
timid chasm
that just needs adequate cooling
young pecan
Well, +2700 for Ethash anyway.
timid chasm
actually not even adequate
ashen spindle
yeah it seems like it's an issue with temps, so just look out for temps as you'd do anyway
young pecan
👌
ashen spindle
not memory temps
timid chasm
then it wouldn't really matter for his mining cards
ashen spindle
yup
ashen spindle
@reef patrol btw it even bricked a water cooled 3090 so I heavily doubt it's a case of bad case airflow
young pecan
Kinda doubt CCX is gonna fly up in profitability anytime soon, but eh.
ashen spindle
though that one did work again after a reset
reef patrol
<@!158168189300244480> btw it even bricked a water cooled 3090 so I heavily doub...
Smells like bad manufacturing then 😄
ashen spindle
ya not total permanent brick, but broken to a point a regular user might not find way back into windows
wheat plume
ashen spindle
oh god
wheat plume
young pecan
That font is cursed, but kinda cool.
wheat plume
Even the tab name is like a shell prompt
LOL
He is really good at drawing :O oh wow
oh wait, idk if those are his drawings or not, he linke a book for drawings:
Hmm his Insta account shows the book and its drawings too
Maybe whoever the girl in the photo is the author of that
shadow minnow
It’s been over a month. Still no news about cpu or mobo replacement…
timid chasm
That's how babies are born
young pecan
It’s been over a month. Still no news about cpu or mobo replacement…
Which store was that?
shadow minnow
Which store was that?
Small store in my country, that is basically relying on distributors
young pecan
Right, I getchu.
Mm. Still going for the gigabyte card, or are you gonna just slap a waterblock on something?
ashen spindle
By the time he gets his parts rdna3 is out
halcyon moss
Tesla and "full self driving", its such a shit show
young pecan
Tesla and "full self driving", its such a shit show
Be that as it may, it doesn't need to be anything but a shitshow.
The humans are still worse.
vagrant pagoda
misty saffron
The general consensus seems to be that it's down to uncapped frame rates in menu screens
wat
ashen spindle
yet another title that couldn't point out it seems to be limited to evga cards
crimson wigeon
While that's sloppy coding, hardware shouldn't kill itself if you use it to its full extent..
ashen spindle
only evga cards with a certain bios/pcb show that behaviour
but every place is only saying "3090s are dying" 🙄
misty saffron
why doesn't nvidia check wtf companies are doing with the bios lol
ashen spindle
because it's not really known if it's purely a bios or pcb thing?
but given that is the commong thing so far, I'm inclined to believe evga fucked up
misty saffron
i would suspect power/temp limits are a software thing
vagrant pagoda
Yeah other GPUs just throttle
But EVGA has a power spike to the point something dies
Could be vrm or the gpu core
Or something unrelated that gets a spike
ashen spindle
it's also not know yet if the card fully bricks(unlikely)
misty saffron
it's retarded that nvidia doesn't check manufacturers' bioses then
isn't nvidia paying for all those warranty replacement chips
ashen spindle
again, not certain it's the bios either
vagrant pagoda
Only if it's the core
If the vrm cooks the GPU then it's in the aib
Or if the vrm blows
Which is why Nvidia put crazy limits on bioses back in the 9xx days till now
young pecan
https://www.pcgamer.com/amazon-new-world-killing-rtx-3090-gpus/
1500?
misty saffron
i doubt vrm can die because the core gets a little too excited
young pecan
I wish I could even see a 3090 anywhere at that cheap.
vagrant pagoda
To prevent heavy oc cards from kill the GPU and getting warrentied
It's why Intel went to integrated vrms
ashen spindle
given one guy with water cooling had a shut down and after reboot it worked again, it might just be something temperature related that trips and causes an after effect or who knows, we dont know yet
vagrant pagoda
The ivrm would blow a efuse if you pushed it to hard
Which they could check and deny warrenty
It could be a local hotspot that isn't close to a thermistor
That dies before the GPU can see the heat
vagrant pagoda
I mean it isn't easy to diagnose a failed gpu
reef patrol
Most users don't know what those are, much less how to diag.
EVGA support is going to have a funtiem
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
young pecan
Hollow, mate.
young pecan
Think about how stupid your average idiot is, and realise 90% of them are far stupider.
So nah.
misty saffron
fair
vagrant pagoda
Or hell
misty saffron
i watched too many of those gpu repair videos i guess
vagrant pagoda
Even the tools to remove the back plate
young pecan
i watched too many of those gpu repair videos i guess
Yep.
You’d be amazed how daft some people seem to be.
I’m sorry, but unscrewing a backplate that consists of 7 screws is not a majorly difficult task.
Idc what anyone says.
vagrant pagoda
I have fixed GPU installs where someone upgraded and didn't plug the new pcie modular cables into the psu
They had the cables looped into the gpu
Lol
young pecan
Bruh.
misty saffron
bruh
vagrant pagoda
Yeah added a handle
young pecan
What.
vagrant pagoda
A couple of modular cables are just pcie 8 pin on the psu side
young pecan
Did they think the power was magically getting in?
vagrant pagoda
Idk
misty saffron
wireless charging is all the rage nowadays
young pecan
vagrant pagoda
But it's happened TWICE
pale sigil
Yo remember
vagrant pagoda
Once was just the cable
pale sigil
Just like plugging the extension lead plug into the extension itself is unlimited powa
vagrant pagoda
Other time different person had single sleeve extensions too
misty saffron
But it's happened TWICE
i wouldn't blame them if it worked before for them
vagrant pagoda
i wouldn't blame them if it worked before for them
Different people
young pecan
Just like plugging the extension lead plug into the extension itself is unlimit...
Just string together 8 fan splitters for infinite cooling, 4head. 
misty saffron
because for some gpus pcie power is enough
vagrant pagoda
I did have one with correct power cables
misty saffron
e.g. 1050/1050ti
vagrant pagoda
But the GPU was in the last expansion slots
misty saffron
given your motherboard isn't shit
young pecan
given your motherboard isn't shit
No?
PCI-E can safely give 75 watts.
But only REAL low end cards will do it.
vagrant pagoda
I don't think any motherboard won't give 75 lw on a single alot
young pecan
1030s and very few 1050s.
misty saffron
if the manufacturer cared about ensuring it gives that much power
young pecan
Typically 1050Ti’s and above are cables.
vagrant pagoda
Some have no cables
young pecan
There’s a few rare ones, yeah.
vagrant pagoda
Some have them but will boot at lower clocks without
misty saffron
1030s and very few 1050s.
i had 2 1050tis, desoldered the ports on both
vagrant pagoda
Most lol
misty saffron
worked just fine
young pecan
Yeah ok, fine.
vagrant pagoda
Granted most 1050tis are in oem systems
young pecan
Lower the clocks and they work without cable, sure.
misty saffron
no lowered clocks
young pecan
But that’s retarded.
vagrant pagoda
no lowered clocks
Only limited number of them do the clock lower thing
I think most aib skipped that
vagrant pagoda
You can oc the slot powered ones
And they ones with the fancy bios only lowered to stock 1050ti clocks
vagrant pagoda
Yes they do lol
1050ti are fine with no pcie power
Even in oem systems
I have installed so many 1050tis in shitbox oem pcs
young pecan
Oh c’mon, you can push em so much further tho.
young pecan
It’s a pascal GPU, those things eat power.
misty saffron
uhm, i should probably mention the 1050tis were pre oc'd
young pecan
No? My old 1080Ti was something of a power juggernaut and so is my display 1050Ti.
vagrant pagoda
I have a 1080ti Xtreme
young pecan
Surprisingly high power tolerance.
misty saffron
you'll never see a 1050ti running hotter than 65 degrees on low as fuck fan speeds
vagrant pagoda
And even it isn't terrible
misty saffron
genuine
young pecan
No I mean they can use heaps of power with no issues.
Really great overclocker cards.
pale sigil
I mean
vagrant pagoda
290x will pull 500+watts no issues
misty saffron
all for the juicy extra 5fps
pale sigil
30 series is pretty power hungry
young pecan
Mate, did you forget about the R9 Fury?
That thing did a record 1400 watts on LN2, iirc?
vagrant pagoda
And that's just over the pcie power lol
young pecan
3 power supplies needed at the time.
vagrant pagoda
I had cfx 290xs with a 1090t
ashen spindle
if you want high power draw just wait for next gen 
young pecan
Lmfao
vagrant pagoda
I had a 420 + a morad
vagrant pagoda
And it would eat power
misty saffron
question
vagrant pagoda
Most desktop CPUs arent terrible
misty saffron
why don't manufacturers make console-style prebuilts
pale sigil
Skylake was poo
vagrant pagoda
Consoles make money selling games
misty saffron
i'd love an xbox series x-style prebuilt, even if unupgradeable
vagrant pagoda
OEM that builds a cheap ass prebuilt makes it nothing on games
Hence the steam deck
young pecan
Because they’re hard to make, time consuming, have a stupid upgrade path, and require specific components.
ashen spindle
why don't manufacturers make console-style prebuilts
because consoles are sold at a loss in terms of hardware cost and made up with game sales and all, no OEM is able to do that
young pecan
Also most oems make shit pcs
That.
vagrant pagoda
Strapped a Intel alu slug cooler on a Ryzen 5
misty saffron
because consoles are sold at a loss in terms of hardware cost and made up with g...
it'd pay a lot just for the engineering
young pecan
vagrant pagoda
Not even fucking am3 cooler mounts
misty saffron
but i guess it's actually too much effort
ashen spindle
yeah but the 50 people who would pay for it aren't enough to afford the OEM the tooling to make their own good "pc console"
vagrant pagoda
The worst thing
misty saffron
Then buy a steam deck
i did reserve one
vagrant pagoda
The best designed desktop pc
Is a fucking m1 imac
It's amazing from an engineering and design side
ashen spindle
Strapped a Intel alu slug cooler on a Ryzen 5
https://twitter.com/LordWaldema/status/1417787598915899396 which makes this even funnier
misty saffron
corsair one looks pretty fucking cool
vagrant pagoda
I'd totally buy a m1 iMac once they Linux drivers work good
reef patrol
It's very thermally downclocked though
vagrant pagoda
For a terminal pc
reef patrol
iirc from Linus comparison.
young pecan
corsair one looks pretty fucking cool
They’re also made REALLY well.
Only downside is the cost.
vagrant pagoda
It's very thermally downclocked though
But it runs well
young pecan
They are quite expensive.
vagrant pagoda
Or do you mean the Corsair?
reef patrol
But it runs well
I mean as long as you know what you're getting, it's not a bad deal. I personally prefer a larger footprint and better performance.
vagrant pagoda
Oh yeah for a workstations
But for just desktop
Web/text/email
It's fucking perfect
misty saffron
also upgradable enough, damn
vagrant pagoda
Single cable
I wish you could get some type c monitors
That are powered over it
But I guess PC/motherboard makers need to add PD ports
misty saffron
was about to tell virtuallink but apparently it's just 27w
vagrant pagoda
Only way to get PD on desktop is with thunder bolt sadly
misty saffron
Thunderbolt 3 has up to 15 watts of power delivery
vagrant pagoda
Also I can't even find a type c hub for desktop lol
vagrant pagoda
Thunderbolt 3 has up to 15 watts of power delivery
Gigabytes tb3 card has 100w of pd
misty saffron
Using USB-C on copper cables, it can incorporate USB Power Delivery, allowing the ports to source or sink up to 100 watts of power.
oh
vagrant pagoda
It has a boost converter for 20v pd
My phone really wants to correct pd to pb
Also source I own one
vagrant pagoda
The only thing hooked to my PC that is still type a is my mouse
misty saffron
backlight much
misty saffron
sad apple doesn't make normal displays anymore
just connecting that thing to a macbook with one cable sounds quite noice
vagrant pagoda
Hell my cx48 OLED is sub 100w
I mean for desktops even
Having to hook display, power and usb to it
misty saffron
but... oled+hdr is even more power than pro display xdr?
vagrant pagoda
Add a extra pcie power to a gpu
Give it pd type ca
And you could have a dual screen setup with single cable to screens
misty saffron
Passive lower cost cables are only capable of 20Gbps data transfer at 1m or 2m lengths, but can achieve the full 40Gbps at a shorter cable length of 0.5m.
how much data does a displayport cable push at 4k120?
about a gigabyte per second non-hdr
hm
hard thicket
since DSC is a thing bandwidth is not longer a issue anymore
except you go to the extremes
shadow minnow
about a gigabyte per second non-hdr
Lot more lol
shadow minnow
since DSC is a thing bandwidth is not longer a issue anymore
Oof, it can still be, and it’s also not lossless
shadow minnow
how much data does a displayport cable push at 4k120?
Like 24 gbps, not entirely sure. It’s limit of its effective bandwidth too. Can’t do 4k120 HDR with DP 1.4
shadow minnow
Dsc allows hdr 4k240
Sure, but it’s loosy. And still will not allow you two 4k144 hdr monitors. At least afaik. DP 2.0 UHBR 20 however, should be able to deliver 4k240 10 bpc with no compression.
astral haven
In most scenarios it's true lossless, and it Is visually lossless
shadow minnow
Having to hook display, power and usb to it
Tbh it would be nice if you could power monitor by USB C. Would not need extra lanes since you could use pd lanes that would normally allow 100w, even though that may be issue if monitor has USB hub, being not enough. It can also serve as USB 2.0 pass through, but atm with DP 1.4 you won’t get 4k144 10bpc without compression.
shadow minnow
In most scenarios it's true lossless, and it Is visually lossless
It’s not lossless is the issue. And visually is just a marketing term. There are circumstances where it’s just visible.
vagrant pagoda
Yeah that's what I ment
astral haven
And it's absolutely not visible
shadow minnow
Like, if it’s the only option, sure, but for example it’s better to just use HDMI 2.1 for 4k144 hdr to not get any compression.
astral haven
Yea that's incorrect
12b 4k120 hdr on displayport is apparently visually superior to 10b 4k120 hdr on hdmi
shadow minnow
Well, it’s 12b so of course it’s better
Except, HDMI 2.1 should be able to do 4k120 12bpc too
astral haven
"oh but compression"
Whine
shadow minnow
48gbps version at least
astral haven
Bandwidth wise but last I checked it's not in spec
shadow minnow
It’s not in spec but custom signaling should not be the hardest. 4k144 10bpc is also usually done by custom signaling and from what I have heard it does not really bring any issues.
astral haven
Point is a guy I know actually has gone out and bought all the monitors he can find that do hdr and he found that the 4k144 hdr monitors running at 120 10b over displayport bring the best results
12b wasnt distinguishable but didn't bring any downgrades
shadow minnow
Did he try monitors with HDMI 2.1 too? Can get extra refresh rate without compression.
astral haven
It’s not lossless is the issue. And visually is just a marketing term. There are...
Also this is entirely untrue
Visually indistinguishable is a technical term...
astral haven
Did he try monitors with HDMI 2.1 too? Can get extra refresh rate without compre...
Pretty sure he was bragging for a while about how he was going to microcenter to grab one, then was ultra disappointed
shadow minnow
Not really, there is change in content displayed so it’s never really indistinguishable even if it’s really hard, or basically impossible for people to distinguish.
astral haven
That is not true
It is a technical term that means data that is perceptible cannot be lost
shadow minnow
Pretty sure he was bragging for a while about how he was going to microcenter to...
Idk why tbh. There aren’t, or at least shouldn’t be basically any differences. But still, what I am saying is, that I don’t see any reason in using DP1.4 for up to 4k144 10bpc when you can use HDMI 2.1, if possible. Since it’s still no compression.
astral haven
Now
Is dsc actually meeting that definition?
Dunno, noone has found an issue with it yet that warrants investigation...
Apparently HDMI isn't happy with hdr
And HDMI is particularly unhappy with longer cables
Certified 5m and 50m cables don't exist
shadow minnow
It is a technical term that means data that is perceptible cannot be lost
How could the data be not perceptible? You need the bandwidth otherwise there basically is not a way. Jus the fact that when you multiply res by bpp and refresh rate, you get number that I am not sure, how could you go lower and not lose anything, or have any difference with displayed content
astral haven
You ever heard of lossless compression?
shadow minnow
Apparently HDMI isn't happy with hdr
Not sure about that, did not hear anything about hdr issues at least with this monitor.
shadow minnow
You ever heard of lossless compression?
Yeah, however, Lossless≠visually lossless
astral haven
Well remember
When you aren't showing literal Fullscreen random noise, dsc is lossless...
Like data lossless not video lossless
The dsc alg is actual insanity
shadow minnow
I mean, sure, but what about when you are displaying noise, or lot of text
Not that it usually mattered, just really don’t think there is a reason to go even bit loosy if you don’t have to. And with monitor I have don’t think there were issues with HDR.
astral haven
When you are dealing with actual hdr, think LG CX and pa32ucg you are seeing issues that won't show up on the fake hdr garbo that the two of us have
shadow minnow
From what I have heard it’s not issue with this monitor, but can’t test it yet tbh, since I don’t have a dGPU yet, since either not in stock or overpriced.
zenith sonnet
This is a hazard
shadow minnow
Want a 3090?
The biggest issue I have is that I am looking for exact model of 3080 ti.
3080 of that model was in stock 4 days ago, but for well over MSRP unfortunately.
astral haven
This is a hazard
Wut
astral haven
The biggest issue I have is that I am looking for exact model of 3080 ti.
3080 ...
Ah
3090 better flex tho
shadow minnow
Ah
~~3090 better flex tho~~
Sure, but useless. Would go for 3080 but 4K, and playing modded games often, VRAM may became an issue. And running out of VRAM has bad results. Also that exact model does not have active cooling of back of the card, so half of 3090’s VRAM would suffer.
ashen spindle
well you still have about 16 months before it's outdated, so gl getting one till then 
shadow minnow
Does not really matter atm too since I am waiting for mobo and cpu replacement, one of them being faulty. It’s been over 35 days and no updates
astral haven
Sure, but useless. Would go for 3080 but 4K, and playing modded games often, VRA...
Just spend the extra grand to get a custom loop for it 5head
crisp granite
Sure, but useless. Would go for 3080 but 4K, and playing modded games often, VRA...
tried that in RE8 yesterday...frame rate would sit in single digits whenever loading new textures, characters, etc.
astral haven
Does not really matter atm too since I am waiting for mobo and cpu replacement, ...
Welcome to motherboard vendors...
crisp granite
so...basically unplayable 90% of the time
shadow minnow
Just spend the extra grand to get a custom loop for it 5head
I am going with custom loop. Just want exact pre waterblocked card
astral haven
3090 + optimus :P
crisp granite
I am going with custom loop. Just want exact pre waterblocked card
buy card and waterblock separately, that probably improves resale value down the line
astral haven
Or blyski
crisp granite
shadow minnow
In fact the custom loop is already working, only issue being that only thing it’s cooling, is well… the pump itself. But at least pressing PSU power button does something
astral haven
I mean tbh wait like 3 weeks for the Chinese cards to trickle out
crisp granite
keep stock cooler in case you need to run it outside of the loop or resell
shadow minnow
One thing is that with current prices it would be more expensive. Then also the fact that I want the card for design too, even though it’s worse than last gen. Still want to go with exact model since how long I have been waiting and will not upgrade
astral haven
Here's the thing tho
Most of the stock waterblock are very bad
crisp granite
I wish you the best of luck securing a GPU at a price that isn't completely insane
ashen spindle
I mean tbh wait like 3 weeks for the Chinese cards to trickle out
mining card trickle down ain't affect availability of waterblocked cards I'd wager, give how specific of an SKU it is
shadow minnow
Few days ago 3080 model was for 1570€. Really bad, but also same as aircooled models.
crisp granite
Few days ago 3080 model was for 1570€. Really bad, but also same as aircooled mo...
😬
boi
ashen spindle
give those skus still directly sell out and new stock aint a thing for a while
astral haven
mining card trickle down ain't affect availability of waterblocked cards I'd wag...
Incorrect
crisp granite
Incorrect
people buying them and throwing on accelleros?
those arctic replacement GPU air coolers?
astral haven
🤷♂️ for example
crisp granite
or running custom loops, I guess
astral haven
But also people who would have bought an air cooled card and swapped the block instead going custom loop because it's an option
Anyways tbh I'm surprised with how well this aio is dealing with the heat
Hotspot well into the 60s even at 480 watts
And cause the core is so cool, the memory is also fairly cool, 78w max
shadow minnow
Incorrect
Well, hopefully the prices will start improving, since now there are actually GPUs in stock even if overpriced.
ashen spindle
ywah about that https://www.igorslab.de/en/graphics-card-prices-distribution-fights-over-nvidias-allocations-and-new-supply-passes-insider/
astral haven
🤷♂️ small partners get boned
crisp granite
Hotspot well into the 60s even at 480 watts
👀
that's more than my entire system draws...but only from your GPU
I hope you got a 1600 watt PSU to feed that thing
shadow minnow
I wanted to get a 1000w cpu but Corsair stopped making it and ran out of stock just before, with no replacements. So had to go 850w, hopefully enough for custom loop 11900k + 3080 ti
astral haven
Ye my sf750 was handling 3090 and 9900k mce disabled just fine
crisp granite
it probably will so long as you don't go with an insane OC
astral haven
Can't handle mce tho
And def wouldn't handle this new card
Leave GPU at stock pl and set manual voltages on the 11900k and you should be fine
shadow minnow
it probably will so long as you don't go with an insane OC
That’s exactly what I want to do
Well, not fully insane, but maybe to 60-80 degrees, as far as I can get with other numbers.
ashen spindle
or just don't run some weird aida benchmark while gaming and your cpu isn't pulling full power and it's not issue lol
astral haven
Even Aida can't stress 11th gen fully
Only p95 and occt can
ashen spindle
that just further proves my point that during gaming it's not gonna be under full power draw
astral haven
Yup
shadow minnow
At this point I have just stopped really expecting the cpu or mobo to arrive. Was excited at first but now, waiting over 70 days in total to get it working again, kinda ran out of it.
astral haven
Its so crazy
My idle temps on a custom loop with a 5950x are in the same order of magnitude as an 11700k while gaming
60c vs 65c
I really don't get the 11th gen hot memes
5000 is hot
Kinda wishing I went 11th gen
Then I remember there aren't any good 11th gen boards and I'm even more sad
shadow minnow
I mean, Aldi’s not ran stress tests for long, but my 11900k also did not really get hot in benchmarks with no OC, but bad aircooler and iGPU + AVX512 enabled.
shadow minnow
Kinda wishing I went 11th gen
Then I remember there aren't any good 11th gen boa...
What exactly do you mean by good board?
astral haven
X16 slot + x8 slot
Electrically
crisp granite
I thought it would be something to do with VRM phases
shadow minnow
X16 slot + x8 slot
Electrically
Not really possible unfortunately. But maybe with alder lake, having more pins.
astral haven
I mean, Aldi’s not ran stress tests for long, but my 11900k also did not really ...
5950x can't run occt or it otps
150w
The 9900k easily pushed 300w and still was fine
astral haven
Not really possible unfortunately. But maybe with alder lake, having more pins.
My 9900k had dual x16 slots electrically
shadow minnow
Which board was that?
astral haven
And 11th gen has 16+4+8 from the cpu
shadow minnow
I mean, if both connected things are gen 4, it’s kinda like having two pcie 3 x16 slots, but that’s usually not the case
shadow minnow
Yeah, for that it sucks
astral haven
I had to throw them in a nas to get them to work with my x570
Using said ws z390 lel
shadow minnow
Not a problem for me luckily since I have only one, even though gen 4 ssd.
Would be nice if you could run pcie x12 too imo tbh. Especially for things when you have x4 sth in second slot, so main could run at x12 instead of just x8
astral haven
11th gen has 12 additional lanes tho...
16 gen 4 + 4 additional 4 gen 4 and 8 gen 3
vapid zodiac
whats the point of running a passive cooler, and then a dedicated fan for your drives?
astral haven
It's not gonna be a passive cooler soon
Lel
I'm just trying out all 2 options for coolers without fans in the box
Tisis core is looking like the winner atm for normal use
shadow minnow
I think I have one of the best cooling potential to cooled thing ratio.
One pe 360 and one xe 360 rad, with just pump producing heat
astral haven
Nah
Plenty of folks with moras cooling consumer cpus
shadow minnow
But like, at least I can see water running arround. If I was not lazy, I could maybe also again upload my program for pwm fan control on arduino and use it to regulate pump and also fans, but yeah, too lazy for that
astral haven
You also arent required to plug it in yet...
shadow minnow
Don’t wanna run pump at full speed for no reason for that long tbh.
astral haven
You also arent required to plug it in yet...
...
astral haven
Unplug the molex or whatever...
If you don't have your CPU blocked yet it's unnecessary
shadow minnow
Just unplugged PSU, no reason not to since only active component in that pc is pump, and well, not connected fans
shadow minnow
If you don't have your CPU blocked yet it's unnecessary
I don’t even have my cpu atm 
astral haven
Oh
So you aren't running it then
ashen spindle
did you even ask whats going on or are you just hoping they get back to you?
shadow minnow
Oh
So you aren't running it then
I am running just pump
astral haven
And why don't you unplug it for now? While nothing is needed?
shadow minnow
did you even ask whats going on or are you just hoping they get back to you?
They sent it back to distributor and basically from what I have asked last time can’t do anything about it.
ashen spindle
but how long ago was that
shadow minnow
And why don't you unplug it for now? While nothing is needed?
It is mostly. Just turn it on once a few weeks.
astral haven
I am running just pump
Fam
Specify lel
shadow minnow
but how long ago was that
Around 35 days since they received it. So it going to distributor… should be here in few days hopefully.
ashen spindle
so you last asked them 35 days ago and no updates since then?
shadow minnow
Fam
Specify lel
shadow minnow
so you last asked them 35 days ago and no updates since then?
Nope, it got there 35 days ago. I have asked them first time I had to return stuff, and they said they can’t really provide me any more info…
ashen spindle
man I would've already pestered them if I dont hear anything for over a month lol
astral haven
My battlestation is fully operational
shadow minnow
My loop is too
astral haven
And I currently have 2 spare GPUs
1 is a 3090
shadow minnow
And I currently have 2 spare GPUs
~~1 is a 3090~~
How
ashen spindle
well rdna3 coming q4 next year, so worst case by then you have options again
ashen spindle
well if my pc is running on hot air instead, color me impressed
astral haven
Amd doesn't make many GPUs
And would be very dumb to make more
The CPus are just so many orders of magnitude more profitable
crimson wigeon
nah, have another SKU
ashen spindle
but amd has never announced the drops on twitter afaik?
astral haven
The totals for 6000 series on steam are on the order of ~50k vs the 3m of 30 series
And that 50k probably lost amd about a million dollars in revenue that could have been epyc or ryzen
ashen spindle
yeah by interfacing with store APIs and distributors
astral haven
but amd has never announced the drops on twitter afaik?
It's not the official amd handle, it's that one marketing dude who is active on twitter
ashen spindle
you mean frank azor? he posted he manually bought one, nothing about a drop lol
astral haven
Azor is marketing?
ashen spindle
would think so
astral haven
Oh shit he is
Hunh
Well it wasn't him
I don't remember their name but they said the date and time of a future drop
I was arguing this with someone "noone is dumb enough to announce their drops ahead of time"
And was proven wrong by amd and nvidia apparently too
ashen spindle
well I dont remember that and even if, it probably was just a one time thing?
far from "have to be a social media whore"
astral haven
The drops have been at the same time every week same day of the week since then... 
Amazon had 5900xes last week
ashen spindle
I mean after the second time someone would’ve noticed that it was on the same time
So even without announcement it would’ve been the same afterwards
astral haven
Amazon had 5900xes last week
Still there tho it's 20 over MSRP now from Amazon official
astral haven
I mean after the second time someone would’ve noticed that it was on the same ti...
The first drop is the only one I've heard of an actual person who was trying to buy a gpu getting it...
I wanted a CPU this year...
ashen spindle
The first drop is the only one I've heard of an actual person who was trying to ...
again, after the second week someone would've noticed it was at the same time so regardless of it being announced on twitter or not, afterwards people with bots would've sit around at that time again
astral haven
again, after the second week someone would've noticed it was at the same time so...
Nah, 3rd time would have had a scalper attack instead of every single one
ashen spindle
meanwhile germany is having all zen3 cpus in stock for months, even a bit below MSRP
astral haven
Still there tho it's 20 over MSRP now from Amazon official
You've got a chance now
ashen spindle
damn the 5600x is 40€ off lol
astral haven
Wow a terrible value CPU doesn't sell for euro MSRP?
Very surprising -_-
crisp granite
Look at the new guy suffering in there lol
is that the Kingpin RTX 3090?????
astral haven
Yup
crisp granite
wow, so that's how you're pulling insane OCs
ashen spindle
wait what do you mean terrible value cpu? 5600x is great for gaming
crisp granite
literally the best GPU money can buy
astral haven
wait what do you mean terrible value cpu? 5600x is great for gaming
Didn't say terrible CPU
Just terrible value
shadow minnow
Same, was just beginning of this year for me. Now only lacking dGPU and pcie riser
astral haven
Only people who should buy the 5600x are eSports folks who aren't willing to buy vipers
ashen spindle
so you think people should go for a 5800x instead or what 
crisp granite
I got a 3600XT and I feel it's enough for basic gaming now, but it definitely won't be in a few years
also won't be enough for streaming, or video editing should that need arise
astral haven
10600k or 10700k
10700k is cheaper and faster with bdie
10600k is hugely cheaper and matches with high speed ram
astral haven
3000 series is fairly priced but slower
After buying 5000 series I can easily say not to buy it
crisp granite
most definitely, but the XT line is fairly...meh
it's a bit of a better clockspeed, but not worth the extra cash
shadow minnow
After buying 5000 series I can easily say not to buy it
Still better than buying 11900k, which I definitely didn’t do
astral haven
I want my Intel stability back :(
astral haven
Still better than buying 11900k, which I definitely didn’t do <:lul:576475280303...
What, did you buy a launch bios z490 without flashback for 11th gen?
shadow minnow
What, did you buy a launch bios z490 without flashback for 11th gen?
Z590
ashen spindle
I hope you are factoring in board prices, which is the main reason I disagree on the cost efficency of the 5600x
astral haven
Oh get rekt lol
astral haven
I hope you are factoring in board prices, which is the main reason I disagree on...
Get cheap board the 5600x won't run stable
None of 5000 series does
crisp granite
11700K is $400
ashen spindle
atm
crisp granite
might as well go intel for an 8 core
astral haven
And 5000 series xmp disabled is like running a fish in a horse race
150 euro isn't cheap...
ashen spindle
compared to what you pay on intel for same specs? I would say so
astral haven
$150 z490 runs 4400
crisp granite
wow, intel mobos, at least ITX side, are fucking absurdly priced
crisp granite
it's not this bad on the AMD side though
astral haven
Only b550 worth buying is the unify...
shadow minnow
Irony is, that itx boards may be best for their prices for ram OC since atx boards in that price range usually have 4 ram slots
astral haven
And the x570s have fans...
astral haven
Irony is, that itx boards may be best for their prices for ram OC since atx boar...
On AMD that doesn't matter, and on intel there are plenty of solid 2 dimmers
shadow minnow
And the x570s have fans...
My z590 most likely has one too for basically no reason, and only for vrm, but can’t confirm.
crisp granite
$430 CAD for an Z590 Unify, while I've never seen an AMD ITX mobo of any chipset priced higher than $300 CAD
😬
astral haven
Nah not Intel unify
The b550 unify-x