🔌│tech

[astral haven]

I'd bet my 9800gx2 also beats both of those

Lmao

[wintry cedar]

nah it doesn't

I tried LOL

I have a GPU museum

9800GX2 included

[astral haven]

I was really surprised
At 1024 the 9800gx2 won...

[reef tundra]

Why bother with getting the gpu to do single threaded workloads. Cpu can handle those fine

[wintry cedar]

I was about to say 1024 x 768 results might be different, unsure

[astral haven]

Nah 1280x1024

Native 1080p is broken on crysis

[wintry cedar]

You just have to set it via console commands/config file

I actually play Crysis at 3840 x 2160

[astral haven]

Running 256 single threaded tasks isn't gonna happen on a cpu

[astral haven]

Broken as in overrendering bugs

It's doing calculations that don't work at those resolutions

That's a function of not being optimized sure

But it's still relevant

[wintry cedar]

too bad the remaster has no mod compatibility

[dry tendon]

The remaster is a POS

However, I dont think a GX2 can win

128 ROPs baby

and 2Tb/s bandwidth

[wintry cedar]

The remaster did get patched and they even added the missing level back, but still no mods

[astral haven]

Muuch shorter pipeline and a free fps doubling

[dry tendon]

For me to like the remaster:

• Mod tools
• Warhead
• MP

then it would be good

[reef tundra]

Injectors should work

[dry tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmaifRsJs2E

[astral haven]

If the 6900xt we're working on 2 frames in parallel it would be alot faster lmao

It could probably work on 10 frames in parallel

[reef tundra]

Partially? Unless you have a a time machine

[astral haven]

What

[dry tendon]

We can always test it out Carm

[astral haven]

Problem is my 5950x hates old hardware

And my 9900k is tied up being a server

[dry tendon]

Note^ the video above is DLSS 2.2 Quality vs FSR UQ at 4K

[reef tundra]

How would the next frame know what the user did the previous frame before the frame is shown to the user

[astral haven]

Same way it does for sli lmao

Remember it's just a bunch of single threaded shader eork

The CPU could run the game 1000x faster if there weren't any rendering lol

[forest sphinx]

If the steam deck is actually like a pc

you think you could hook an eGPU up to it?

[astral haven]

It is a pc

No

[forest sphinx]

I mean yeah

but its not

see thats what I mean

[astral haven]

Egpu requires pcie

[forest sphinx]

Port compatibility

Does it? I thought you could run eGPUs on laptops

Oh, it needs to have thunderbolt right?

[astral haven]

A laptop is still a pc egpu capable or not

Yup

Thunderbolt or USB 4

[forest sphinx]

Ahh

so next gen could maybe do that

[astral haven]

Yup

[forest sphinx]

not that this thing isn't expensive enough already

[reef tundra]

Because the cpu is not meant to do grunt work. Gpu can do the simple operations with its hundreds to thousands of calculating units

[astral haven]

USB 4 is relatively cheap

[forest sphinx]

I feel its weird that they didn't do that then

[astral haven]

It wasn't available when it started dev 2-3 years ago

[forest sphinx]

It would be neat to basically buy that and an eGPU and essentially have a full fledged gaming computer that you could take down the specs of for portability

[dry tendon]

no USB4 cases yet

[astral haven]

With the cheap ti USB 4 chips it should be easy

[wintry cedar]

Too bad he didn't do FSR Quality to make it more even

[forest sphinx]

Well, something to consider if there is a revision 2

[astral haven]

Not possible to have the port far away from the controller

[forest sphinx]

seems like the thing is selling like hot cakes based off of how bad the reservation queue got fucked

[dry tendon]

He used the highest tier for both

DLSS 2.2 doesnt have UQ

The performance should be similar

[reef tundra]

If it got a second ram slot you can hijack them for the pcie lanes

[dry tendon]

FSR is using a higher resolution but in turn has fewer things to compute

DLSS is using a lower res but has to spend more time on the frame

[astral haven]

😭 are you just a troll or will you ever contribute anything to a discussion here?

[wintry cedar]

So that FSR vs DLSS comparison also shows that on the highest settings at larger resolutions they look practically identical (I only saw one minor improvement in one of the scenes with DLSS 2) and FSR performs better in this game

[astral haven]

Fsr usually performs better at the same named setting

Dlss usually gets rekt at higher resolutions

The point of dlss tho is to take low resolutions and turn them into something useable

Which the limit of is alot lower than fsr

[wintry cedar]

Yes that's true

[reef patrol]

Ultimately it is human vs AI.

[wintry cedar]

Still, AMD brought a knife to a gunfight and did really well

[reef tundra]

Why not both

[reef patrol]

DLSS is trained AI that does its own thing. FSR is deliberate settings and shaders by developers.

[astral haven]

It's 2d math vs 3d math
Neither are human

[wintry cedar]

Were both coded by Germans?

[reef patrol]

That's not how I understand FSR functionality, Carmon.

[astral haven]

It's 2d shader math

Dlss uses tensor math

[dry tendon]

yeah both are math

[astral haven]

Both are dilebirately doing things

[reef patrol]

You're still hard enabling specific things.

Manually.

[reef tundra]

3d math is 2d math
just more variables to deal with

[reef patrol]

FSR isn't just a toggle.

The actual smoothing is obviously math.

[astral haven]

You don't understand what an algorithm is...

[reef patrol]

I do - But DLSS isn't a series of toggles and values.

FSR is.

[astral haven]

Dlss is

It's just Nvidia doesn't allow you any access to any of them lmao

[reef patrol]

Toggle multi frame haloing

Nope.

[astral haven]

They wrote a whitepaper

You can read it

[astral haven]

This literally is togglable...

[reef tundra]

Its a guessing machine that is more right than it wasnt

[wintry cedar]

Also the funny thing about DLSS winning at lower resolutions is, it's only supported on their very recent cards and people using those cards are largely going to be north of 1080p

[astral haven]

Nvidia doesn't go into specifics because they are miles ahead of state of the art for tensor math

But it's still doing a series of specific things

[astral haven]

1440p being a low resolution on an 8k monitor

[dry tendon]

Remember - DLSS is rechnically lightweight. That is why the difference in how much of a frame DLSS takes on a 3090 and 2060 isnt that large

[astral haven]

No

Dlss is extremely compute heavy

[dry tendon]

I think 3090 is like 1ms more on a 2060 vs a 3090, depends on the game though

[astral haven]

And it consumes a crazy amount of l2 bandwidth

Sure

It's constant time thanks to the insanity that is tensor cores

[reef tundra]

Loads of matrix operations

[astral haven]

But it's extremely compute heavy

[astral haven]

Tensor not matrix

[dry tendon]

yeah that is what i meant

it is simple for the hardware

[astral haven]

It's not...

[dry tendon]

the Tensor difference between a 3090 and 2060 is over 3X

[astral haven]

It's fast

Not simple

[dry tendon]

since its twice as many tensor cores and with 1.5 the speed per core

[astral haven]

It doesn't scale with tensor core count

[dry tendon]

Hmm that is sad then

[astral haven]

It requires a minimum tensor core count per resolution

As far as I understand

[dry tendon]

so I guess all NV GPUs satisfy that one more or less

for 4K

[astral haven]

Yup

[dry tendon]

I see. RDNA 2 should be able to run tensor ops too

[astral haven]

It uses very few tensor cores

[astral haven]

Very very very slowly

[dry tendon]

and it has far superior caches to Ampere with much more bandwidth to boot

I wonder how it would do if it was custom made for it

[astral haven]

Neither of those is true

It has more cache tiers sure

[dry tendon]

RDNA2 has faster L1,L2,L3 and more raw bandwidth up to and inclduing 5K res

[astral haven]

Nvidias l2 is many many orders of magnitude faster

[dry tendon]

that isnt true. a moment

[astral haven]

It's something like 6TB/s available to the tensor cores

On the 3090

[astral haven]

Remember
Tensor cores take bandwidth equal to the pair of fp32 combined

[astral haven]

Again tensor cores vs fp32 and fp64

[dry tendon]

This is correct

I apologize for the previous one

BTW, this test doesnt even do it correctly

RDNA2 should be 27 TB

[astral haven]

Yes but it's not how tensor cores work

All of the bandwidth of the l2 is available to the tensors

[dry tendon]

So for tensor ops specifically, Ampere's caches are better even if they are much slower in other tests? IS that what you are saying?

[astral haven]

According to Nvidia yea

RT ops are able to get half the bandwidth, cuda gets 1/4 along with fp32

Nothing can run in parallel to tensor

[dry tendon]

TBH Nvidia wouldnt say if RDNA2 is faster at that specifically. It has to be tested separately alas

[astral haven]

Rdna2 gets entirely destroyed at tensor ops

[dry tendon]

We need Nemez to make a test for that too I guess

I am certain it would be slower

but IDK if it would be that much slower

I expected Turing to defeat RDNA 1 CU to CU, core to core etc. due to concurrent FP and int execution

yet RDNA1 defeats it generally

2070S has slightly more resources in total to a 5700 XT

[astral haven]

Guy was comparing his 3175x, 2080, 3080 and 6800xt
The 6800xt was destroyed by over 2x by the 2080
Then 2x to the 3175x, then again to the 2080

The 3175x slaughtered all else at larger models than 32gb but the 3090 managed to win some of the over 24gb models by just brute forcing it

The 6800xt dropped of at 12gb? I don't remember
It was extremely surprising to me

I thought it would die over 128MB

[dry tendon]

Well I trust you I guess. But I still want to see more

Still, 2TB of L3 bandwidth is mental XD

[astral haven]

Guy ended up with the 3175x because it was able to handle the big models but still

[dry tendon]

if his workload demands it then it is how it is

[astral haven]

A petaflop in 2 GPUs is mental

[astral haven]

Oh yea I also forgot that consumer 30 series is capped to half tensor speed

Like the a100 does 1.3petaops on its own without sparsity

That's on the order of 100TB of data per second

By some simple math each tensor core has access to 188GB/s of data

And also uh
The 3090 measures 20tflops fp32 which requires 80TB/s of l1 bw

[astral haven]

So this can't possibly be accurate

[dry tendon]

This is literally a standard compute test using VUlkan

apparently

from nemezor

I can even give you the file lol

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ aida64 uses opencl

And uh

[dry tendon]

this thing tests caches

specifically

that is why it is like that

AIDA64 doesnt

[astral haven]

Caches are impossible to soley test

[dry tendon]

This is as close as you can get

[astral haven]

You can only test how much data flows through them

And uh

[dry tendon]

it confirms Nvidia and AMD statements

So I trust it

[astral haven]

20tflops is a thing

No?

Nvidia states 20 tflops

And aida64 measures 20 tflops

[dry tendon]

what do Tflops have to do with this above?

[pale sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/olmnlt/please_dont_preorder_this_at_least_wait_for_user/

well this post is kinda stupid

[dry tendon]

this is gbps

[astral haven]

You have to transfer at least once the amount of data required for an operation per operation

[dry tendon]

With that said Nemes did say 3090 results for L1 need to be higher too

but same for RDNA 2 results

apparently 21 for 3090 and 27 for 6900 XT

but its hard to get that part of the test right

[astral haven]

20t fp32 operations requires 20 trillion 32 bit transfers to l1

20t times 32 /8 = 80TB/s

[dry tendon]

I am sending you the testing file

[wintry cedar]

Yeah that image is stupid

He's blaming the hardware for not being satisfied by VR games

[dry tendon]

fuck my lack of DIscord Nitro

[wintry cedar]

And Steam machines were not all overpriced gaming PCs, the lowest end ones actually had good graphics cards for the price (weak CPUs though, custom built PCs were better value)

[dry tendon]

@astral haven I sent it to you

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ guy probably has good intentions but GPUs are complicated

Ampere is very scuffed tbh

[wintry cedar]

I experienced good customer support with my Index actually but of course that's just me. Quick responses and they got me a replacement cable right away

[astral haven]

Dual fp32 units is dumb

[dry tendon]

Guy knows GPUs far far better than anyone else I know TBH

[astral haven]

Yea but ampere is very fucked up

[dry tendon]

definitely makes GN and DF look like retards in comparison

[astral haven]

The a100 is even worse than consumer ampere

[dry tendon]

IDK, the L3 (IC) results are more or less as AMD says they should be. Same for L2 results for RDNA2

[astral haven]

But l1 is alot harder than l2 or l3

[dry tendon]

But L0 and L1 are likely scuffed for both

to some extent

[astral haven]

As they are per compute unit

What we can verify tho is the numbers that the GPUs can reach in computation

[dry tendon]

that is why she herself said that RDNA 2 should start at 27 and 3090 at 21

[wintry cedar]

Yeah I won't deny they abandoned the steam controller and steam machines

[dry tendon]

since that is how it should be

but the test doesnt do it

[wintry cedar]

But that's because no one was buying them

Seems like everyone will buy the Deck

P.S. Buy mine for $1800!

[dry tendon]

GPU perf has other tests too btw

so you may still enjoy it

[wintry cedar]

It should be called the Gabe Boy

[astral haven]

And uh
3090 does 30 tflops max
And 20 tflops practically
Dunno the 6900xt
You should run the aida64 gpgpu test and post results

[dry tendon]

LOL the new nickname

[wintry cedar]

Don't ask me to run aida64 charcharo

there are other people here with 3090s more interested

[dry tendon]

meh

its a meh test

Doesnt test the L3 or IC

[astral haven]

Still a test that tells you info

[dry tendon]

not the info I wanted though

I wanted to know how good Infinity Cache is

AIda didnt provide the info

Nemes' test did

Here is a 3090

[astral haven]

Yea but it tells you minimum l1 bw is on the order of 20TB/s

[dry tendon]

which is same as what Nemes said it should be more or less

;p

[astral haven]

Sure

[dry tendon]

SHe needs to improve the test

[astral haven]

But it also shows that the Nvidia numbers are wrong

[dry tendon]

But she said that 😛 for the initial part of the run both are wrong

both are slower than they should be

[astral haven]

Since this says minimum of 82.4TB/s

[dry tendon]

so its 20-21 vs 27

[astral haven]

What

It's 20 vs 82

[dry tendon]

As per Nemes, the results should be 21 for the 3090 if the test worked correctly and 27 for 6900 XT . Which TOO scored badly

we dont have a Titan RTX

a Titan Xp Will be tested though

[astral haven]

Still not testing l1...

And that's where the tensors work...

[dry tendon]

ok I agreed with you there. Could be so

I am talking now outside of tensors

in general

[pale sigil]

haha

64gb version is still Q1

[dry tendon]

Have been for the past hour ;d

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ but that doesn't affect tensor performance on Nvidia only amd

[pale sigil]

I really hope i got Q1

im pretty sure it said Q1 when i ordered

then changed to Q2

so not entirelys ure

also pre orders are confirmed over 100k as of like an hour after it launched

[dry tendon]

OK and? That isnt what I am talking about no more. I want to see a real test but since one isnt available I will trust in you that Ampre would be much faster in that. Whether due to the tensor cores or caches optimized for that work or both

So you win

the argument is IN GENERAL now

[astral haven]

I mean look at mlperf lol

[pale sigil]

also, tbf people will have it before me

so i can cancelk

[astral haven]

The point is tensors are crazy

[pale sigil]

cancel

[reef tundra]

But what if Q3 was like: 2030

[dry tendon]

In general, in a 3D game or a 2D one, 6900 XT has higher raw and effective bandwidth than a 3090 at least until 5K

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ that heavily depends on shader complexity

[dry tendon]

There is no game out that would be too complex for IC at least at this moment in time

And TBH, all IC needs to do is feed the ROPs

[astral haven]

What

Ic?

[dry tendon]

L3 cache

Since its easier to type IC than L3

[astral haven]

LLc

[dry tendon]

Its the 128mb of L3 on the 6800-6900 XT

[astral haven]

Ye

Last level cache

Llc

anyways
Still Depends on shader complexity

If you are running fewer operations in shaders the 6900xt will be significantly faster

[dry tendon]

As long as the ROPs are fed it cannot really lose

since those things are bandwidth hungry

as fuck

[astral haven]

But the 3090 has significantly more shader bandwidth

[pale sigil]

As for the steamdeck sd slot

[astral haven]

As in
Amount of shader math it can do

[pale sigil]

kinda feels like its useless for games

[dry tendon]

I honestly think that is what the L3 feeds the most TBH, the ROPs

not so much textures and shit

[pale sigil]

as its pretty slow unless you spent a shit ton

prob best doing an ssd to usb c

[dry tendon]

I wonder how Zen 3 does in that game

[astral haven]

Larger the sd card doesn't change speed

Over 128MB they slow down alot since they drop from mlc to tlc or qlc

[wintry cedar]

mine says Q1 so I'll be scalping in 2022

[astral haven]

It matters a ton for games

tlc can just about handle random reading
Qlc is unable to handle it practically, and mlc is significantly faster

Remember as cards aren't cached, they have to read the data the old fashioned way

[wintry cedar]

QLC shouldn't exist

[astral haven]

That's not true

[dry tendon]

modern QLC drives like the Intel 670p literally curbstomp TLC and even some MLC SATA or early NVME drives

[astral haven]

Hahahah

No

Remove the mlc mode and the dram and it will die

[dry tendon]

That is like removing the cache from the CPU core lol

also it has SLC mode

[astral haven]

No?

[dry tendon]

not MLC mode

the product comes with the DRAM and the SLC mode. Removing that would be fun academically, but it is not the actual product

so its a moot point IMHO

[astral haven]

Remember cache on storage is going the other direction

The cache onn a drive is for the system

[astral haven]

Qlc sd cards have no cache

And since that's what we are talking about uh

Yea

Pain

[dry tendon]

I didnt know that. I am yet to use a SD card

I assumed its like SSDs

[astral haven]

Get a Samsung pro card it's guaranteed mlc

Dude

It's the size of your pinkie fingernail...
Lmao

[dry tendon]

;d SLC mode could still exist ;d IDK

[astral haven]

With what controller

[dry tendon]

fuck me idk

😄 It is one of those things I have super limited knowledge about

[astral haven]

Sd cards (that aren't uhs 3) are as complex as nand chips themselves

[dry tendon]

I connect my phone to my PC to store my data

[reef tundra]

Floppy disk it is then

[astral haven]

Speaking of someone needs to make a micro SD rain controller

That would be severe pog

[reef tundra]

I would set it to always rain

[dry tendon]

;d I am only 25 and I already feel like a boomer

i just read either depressing literature or villainess korean manwhas on my phone and listen to music

[astral haven]

Lmao

Making me feel less bad about my life lol

[wintry cedar]

Anyone who reads books in 2021 is basically a "boomer"

[astral haven]

That make my cousin's boomers because my aunt makes them read things?

[reef tundra]

No, go sit back on your bench

[dry tendon]

But my life is good lol

I just dont know what to use mobile devices for

apart from that and taking bad photos

and I guess trolling colleagues on instagram

[reef tundra]

Call your house remotely

[dry tendon]

that is literally all I use the phone for

[wintry cedar]

Never took you for a digital reader

ereader

[astral haven]

I use it to goof around when I should be working

[reef tundra]

nsfw viewer

[dry tendon]

While I love physical books, I also like reading them on the phone or Kobo device

[astral haven]

This pleb over here with his Kindle lol

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/piracy-download-a-car-piracy-its-a-crime-download-a-handbag-download-a-computer-gif-17133478

Who want to download a car with me

[astral haven]

I will download a car as soon as physically possible

[dry tendon]

I have folders full of books

sponsored by the "Merchant's Guild"

basically, illegally XD

[reef tundra]

hey hey now settle down

[astral haven]

That would be illegal and we wouldn't do anything like that here on discord 😜

[reef tundra]

We are law abiding and are talking hypothetically if copyright would not exist

[astral haven]

Yip

Definitely didn't almost brick my Kindle by transferring too many books onto it

[dry tendon]

Meh, IDC if I cant get caught. I do care about morality though

so it does weigh a bit on me

[astral haven]

I have so far paid for any books I finished

But uh

That's only a few dozen

[reef tundra]

All other "files" are random noise coincidentally being a in the same format

[dry tendon]

gn

[astral haven]

Ill let you know how unreal gold and the gpgpu benchmark do after I'm off work lol

[wintry cedar]

Remember Unreal must be played with OldUnreal 227i, Unreal Evolution, and if you want improved textures UnrealHD v3.1 and Unreal227 HD Texture Pack v3.03 (not the latest one which is unstable)

[vagrant pagoda]

F to the Merchants Guild discord

Also I have technically illegally downloaded cars

[astral haven]

Oh

Ooooh

[zenith sonnet]

That's pretty cool

[forest sphinx]

Yup

saw that

I'm concerned about the 512GB version because I actually think the premium glass screen will do worse at supporting a screen protector

and you bet your ass I'mma wanna protect that screen

[true quest]

buy the top tier and middle tier

take screen from middle tier

give it to top tier

[forest sphinx]

I got my gf to reserve middle tier

we will see what happens as new information releases

[young pecan]

So what actually are these?

Haven't been checking into much tech for a while, so idk.

[young pecan]

Wait what?

Link?

@prisma crag

[vagrant pagoda]

Screen protector will work fine. It just nullifies the antiglare

[astral haven]

I don't know what that says but it looks great lmao

[warped dove]

Coreteks and other enthusiast finally applied enough pressure to make this review happen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtve0u3GJ9Y

Now we wait on the exposure to maybe cause an OLED 32 inch with a DP 1.4 or better and 1440p 27"

LG are already selling some joke content creator OLED monitors for $4000... but. no.

[crisp granite]

I'm just waiting for the samsung G9 to go on clearance

it's pog

but not $2k CAD pog

[warped dove]

They mentioned a bunch of console gaming features like VRR, 120Hz, hdmi 2.1, and a kind of backlight strobing so it sounds like it has everything the CX 48" had?

42" CX was also confirmed but I never heard of anyone actually buying one

It's too funny that the monitors burn-in prevention feature just moves the image around by a few pixels cutting off the edge of your taskbar randomly

Literally... just shave of 40 pixels on every edge and move it around as much as you want, no onewill miss the extra pixels

I genuinely want the feature of running a 1440p imagine in the middle of the panel, no scaling, just windowboxed on black background

But no company will ever have the balls to sell such a feature

It's not like you'll have room on your desk for a second monitor xD

mines is 2 meters

80cm depth, discontinued IKEA gallant, curved, with extension installed

I haven't stood up in years I ain't gonna start now for gaming

Sounds nice for watching stuff while working out

Ya know... I could actually sit at one end of one curve with the monitor 160cms away from me on the other end on the main section lol

Multiple gallants... then you'd have enough space for a 48" monitor

[young pecan]

Oh good.

Excellent.

Less ASICs more good

If I had to guess I'd say those ASICs are worth something like 20 million dollars.

Maybe more.

[warped dove]

About this, I find the reasoning kinda janky. Reviewers say the exact same thing "if you spend x then you're definitely gonna spend almost half of X on extras"

But bank accounts don't actually work like that lol

if you spend more you have less to spare

No but she sounds like a smart cookie

already

[young pecan]

Implying both aren't cheap af. :P

Mate, gotta get some of that cheap awful aussie alcohol.

[warped dove]

You probably shouldn't save the bucks on carrying a 1.5k euro monitor but being oled and a few chips in a blast box, maaaybe with a removable stand, it might be kinda light weight - much more than big LCDs

That honestly half the battle and the reason I won't want 4K for years from now even if it is popular

I'd rather have 1440p and more frames on a high medium GPU that isn't a 2000 euro spaceheater

[astral haven]

1440p 240hz for lyfe

[young pecan]

3090 isn't a bad gaming card, tbh.

It's that fast with that much VRAM that you can game and mine at the same time with nothing in performance lost.

15 inch? Gross.

[astral haven]

^

[young pecan]

Why even run 1440p on a display so small...

[warped dove]

hnng Esportz laptop gammers

[young pecan]

Why run a display so small in any sense? Nobody is using 720p anymore.

[astral haven]

nah 1440p on 15 inch is fine

4k is a bit too high and 1080p is too low

[young pecan]

Fuck, I can't imagine how awful that would be to daily drive.

Having heaps of screen room is something I refuse to give up.

[astral haven]

a laptop?

[young pecan]

Even then, second screen.

[astral haven]

and?

[young pecan]

Mah poor screen realestate.

So useful, being able to open heaps of windows. Especially for study.

[astral haven]

yea at work i use a primary 1440p27 and a secondary 1080p24

1080p24 gets email and group chat, 1440p gets whatever im working on

usually only 1 window

[young pecan]

At home I run 2 32" 1440p displays. Fairly overkill, but it's been useful for me.

[astral haven]

and the laptop internal screen is disabled

[young pecan]

Then again, home is also my workspace, so there's that.

[astral haven]

same

the 1080p folds away and the 1440p is my gaming monitor lol

[young pecan]

Mmmm.

[chrome estuary]

I'd like to get a 24" 1080p monitor to replace my 27" 1080p monitor or get another 27" 1440p for the 1080.

[dry tendon]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6dUJBkXsAQNKBe?format=jpg&name=medium

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FXgDAF6QpM

So, the Steam Deck having a range of analog input methods

Sounds good for Wooting

Will probably increase adoption by a magnitude

[astral haven]

triggered lpddr uses 32b channels so that hopefully is 128b or quad channel

[astral haven]

have you heard of
controllers

[zenith sonnet]

Meh
It's a controller, and it's not

Wonder why they went with Zen 2 instead of Zen 3

[astral haven]

whats the advantage of z3 for a quad core?

[zenith sonnet]

4 core Zen 2 is still one CCX just the same, but at the same power, Zen 3 should still be a good bit faster

[astral haven]

5%?

60-70% of the performance difference was cache

bigger faster cachey boi

and uh

this system aint cpu bottlenecked

[zenith sonnet]

At a fixed 4 GHz, it should be around 19% faster

Which would mean less power for the CPU, leaves more power for the GPU

[astral haven]

no xeanoa

at a fixed 4ghz with a massively improved cache sure

but normalize the cache and 70% of the zen 3 advantage is gone

[zenith sonnet]

...

The improved cache is part of Zen 3

Whether it's 4 or 8 core

[astral haven]

nope

the cache is the cache and the core is the core

bigger cache == faster cache

and zen 3 had bigger cache

[zenith sonnet]

Just combining the cache isn't all they did

[astral haven]

yea
when you make the cache larger its automatically faster if you implement it

[zenith sonnet]

They even made a slide about it

[astral haven]

out of those, cache obviously, but load store, microop and front end are also heavily influenced by cache bw

in total about 5% was actual compute and the rest of the 19% was the bigbioi cache

[zenith sonnet]

A 4c8t Zen 3 with 16 MiB cache will be more than 5% faster than a 4c8t Zen 2 with 16 MiB cache

At the same power

[astral haven]

says who?

cause ill tell you right now
zen 3 with 8mb of cache gets buttfucked by zen 2 with 16MB...

[dry tendon]

Depends on the workload

I wonder how V-Cache Zen 3 will do

[astral haven]

in games

which is what the steam deck will be doing

[dry tendon]

Depends on the game. Surprisingly, some arent THAT cache senstivitive (Ass Creed)

[astral haven]

zen needs its cache

[timid chasm]

Who needs the cache when you've got the ass, amirite?

[dry tendon]

Every CPU needs its cache. If you remove the cache from any CPU it will die out

this is why I still meme one EXTREMELY mentally challenged Intel fanboy that said "The caches hide the weakness of the core."
Of course dude, the wheels hide the weakness of the car's engine lol

[astral haven]

lmao yea

its more that caches make up for weakness in the io department

dont need cache if your dram is faster than your cpu needs data

[dry tendon]

which wont happen so... yeah

[astral haven]

hey

i can dream

amd should just make a tower of l3

give us a GB per core

[dry tendon]

Make intel irrelevant for all games lol

and make it too expensive for gamers

perfect

[astral haven]

nah it wouldnt be that expensive

they are making such an insane amount of profit from these garbo chiplet cpus that its not funny

[dry tendon]

V-cache 5950X would be around 1K

😛

[astral haven]

and 500 of that would be profit

[dry tendon]

more than 500

[astral haven]

pure post rnd profit

[dry tendon]

AMD wants big margins like Intel and NV

but at 1K I deem it a POS

[astral haven]

id buy the fuck out of a 16GB l3 cpu for 1k

id go into debt to do it right now if i could

[dry tendon]

V-cache would be 96 per CCD

not quite GBs of bandwidth

[astral haven]

1 layer sure

shits thin fam

give me the leaning tower of cache

you get 64MB per stack

128 layers deep is hard but not impossible

tsmc get cracking

[wheat plume]

In preparation
That doesn't include the deck????!!!!!

[young pecan]

What the fuck, Locke?

What did you even buy?

@prisma crag

[crimson wigeon]

Pepega

[young pecan]

Was it every hentai game on steam?

[wheat plume]

Oh wait

That's what you spent in total since making the account?

Ahhhh

Right ok

[crimson wigeon]

Feels bad man

[wheat plume]

O.o

[crimson wigeon]

So I guess within the next couple years I'll spend thousands ecks dee

[timid chasm]

https://i.imgur.com/aptteke.png

LUL

member since 1-11-2011. Nice

that is USD lol

I thought maybe it included humble bundles but not sure since it links directly to the bought page

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah the amount of money I've directly given Valve is quite low since I buy games off-Steam because I want the best deals

The Deck would more than double my spend ecks dee

[timid chasm]

I aim for sales too but steam regularly has lifetime lows unless you go to shady places

that's what isthereanydeal.com is for

[crimson wigeon]

Not in my experience

[timid chasm]

Occasionally I get a cheaper price on GreenManGaming or Humble. Sometimes Fanatical

[wheat plume]

I'm still upset that black ops is still €40 .-.

I may just torrent it
I want just the single player anyway

[timid chasm]

Black Ops 1?

[wheat plume]

Yes

That's what I said

If I wanted to refer to another one I'd have said the number also xd

[timid chasm]

Well aren't you fancy

some people just throw around "black ops"

[wheat plume]

Yup

[crimson wigeon]

Activision doesn't make a shitton of money by being generous, pay up fool!

[wheat plume]

Nah
Imma go visit the pirates for that one

Unless I can dig up my old Xbox to play it in disc

[timid chasm]

lol GMG has the MAC version? wtf is that about

mac keys are diff than windows keys I guess? Never thought about that

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah some games have that kind of greed as well

It's also probably 32 bit and so wouldn't work anyway ecks dee

[timid chasm]

I kinda wanna play the new black ops now but fucking 160GB install is stupid

[crimson wigeon]

Why would you want other games?!

[timid chasm]

What do you mean?

[crimson wigeon]

The massive size of just this one game so you can't fit anything else

[timid chasm]

Oh I see

I just don't wanna spend the time to download it. I still have 5TB left on my gaming hard drive

[crimson wigeon]

You have to dedicate time to enjoy that masterwork

[timid chasm]

mmmmmmmmmm, gimme 30 mins and I'll be over it

just like every other game

[warped dove]

Steam Deck? lol

Steam Controller was abandonware as was their little casting hub

My girlfriend eventually picked both up for like ten euros in a deal (and never used them)

Now steam are design replicating a WiiU? One of the worst console designs?

Absolutely outrageous into the dirt wtf lol

The only thing they should be making at VR headsets with really good lightwait internal OLED screens

and then move onto completely unique OLED gaming monitors that everyone in the world will want for content creation etc.

[reef tundra]

Now they just need some death squads going door to door to "sell" them so it doesnt become abondonware somehow

The price, 10 million, so it must be good

[young pecan]

I'm sus about the Steam Deck.

Valve has an almost Google history of making shit and abandoning it.

[hard thicket]

this ^

it's a pocket pc

you can do anything you want with it

dont know why people are complaining there

[reef tundra]

What if.. you just dont buy it if you dont think its worth your money 🤔

[wheat plume]

custom built item?

[warped dove]

I guess consooomers don't even think

what's the value of the Steam Deck? So you can play PC games in bed?

It'll be used for nothing but Netflix within a month

just like the WiiU

[wheat plume]

my friend had a Wii U

He liked a lot of the games but it wasnt the most ergonomic console to hold

[dry tendon]

Naming consoles is a lost art form

Nintendo failed it

and MS has no idea how to do it at all lol

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/dGtZnMgZ1Z8

[misty saffron]

https://artickl.com/

wtf

[reef tundra]

CV doesnt matter too much, they look at it for like 3 seconds before deciding on whether they want to interview you or not

and you will seem really dishonest if your speech patterns dont line up with the CV. During that interview

[pale sigil]

I just realised

Steam basically did their one kickstarter

And now I'm back to suffering like many people do with their wootings xD

[crisp granite]

[ashen spindle]

so what you mean is, time to wait a year or two for Steam Deck HE?

[timid chasm]

but we know the wooting is good

[pale sigil]

I didn't during the wooting one ks

Or well

I did up until a point I guess

Sure I was WootHelp during it

But they weren't as open and honest with us thst early

[crisp granite]

[pale sigil]

So I went into it just as blind as everyone

Still can't believe I was only second backer 😭

[reef patrol]

Oh quit complaining, prototype boi.

[pale sigil]

XD

Hey, did you ever see the applicant videos

[crisp granite]

so...that "FirstEverOriginalBacker" role is a crock of shit

👏

[reef tundra]

Live it, breathe it, exterminate the problem

[pale sigil]

Look at mansen saying protoboi yet he got a lekker this time around before anyone else :p

[crisp granite]

Mansen is duck

he gets special treatment

[pale sigil]

Minus founders + Darren

[crisp granite]

he gets crispy skin treatment

[reef patrol]

[reef tundra]

No snitching, they end up in ditches

[crisp granite]

😋

[reef patrol]

Only the finest peking treatments.

[crisp granite]

I love Peking duck

so much

It's been an entire year since I've had some

[pale sigil]

Plus I don't have bragging privileges anymore

[crisp granite]

[pale sigil]

Since Tony owns my protowoot

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sable-gif-18757177

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tom-holland-yoink-gif-11346283

[pale sigil]

Booo

[halcyon moss]

I'm not gonna wait that long

[crimson wigeon]

Damn that has like 0 scalp value

[pale sigil]

Thought I'd be q1 :(

Q2 is forever away

[crimson wigeon]

Lol brexitland 512 GB is now at Q3 2022

[ashen spindle]

still Q1 for every option here

[pale sigil]

You're hilarious

[crimson wigeon]

As is Muricaland, and yet EU has them all still at Q1 EU peoples not reserving or them just getting a massive batch?

[ashen spindle]

supposedly eu has less allocation than UK

[reef tulip]

Was tempted at first, but 720p feels too little and 2 hours playtime at worst feels like too short a playtime.

[crisp granite]

canuckistan has Q2 2022 for the 64 and 256gb models, with Q3 2022 for the top end model

😬

idk if we get bunched up with the yanks though

[misty saffron]

q1 for eu?

[ashen spindle]

ya

[misty saffron]

guess i'm asking a finnish friend to reserve one for me

bet it's gonna be the same situation as with valve index in russia

the situation being no index in russia

[reef tundra]

Would it be funny if you had to login with your steam account that bought it to unlock the device

[misty saffron]

valve wouldn't do that shit

[reef tundra]

and it would be mitagatable with little technical knowledge unless to lockdown the bootloader. But what if..

[misty saffron]

^

[ashen spindle]

unlike other companies they would have no monetary gain from it

[reef patrol]

I wouldn't put it past Valve...and I genuinely wouldn't mind either.

But it wouldn't prevent scalpers.

[misty saffron]

they've already done enough to fuck scalpers up

`You can reserve a Steam Deck from today, July 16, at 10 am PT / 1 pm EDT / 6 pm BST / 7 pm CEST via the Steam Store. However, this only applies to people with Steam accounts that have made a purchase prior to June 2021.

`

[reef patrol]

That doesn't really deter scalping.

[ashen spindle]

I doubt they would add something that will just end in the EU slapping another fine on them when they don't even benefit from it

[reef patrol]

Just reduces mass scalping by individuals

[reef tundra]

Prioritise by account age, total spend, activity could be a way

[crimson wigeon]

By how much Steam hardware they've bought and used

Steam Machine owners get a massive priority boost pepega

[misty saffron]

yeah fuck it i'm making somebody european reserve me one

bet my ass it's not going to be available in russia

[old marlin]

Lol

[reef tundra]

THe most loyal customers would also be rewarded by design

[old marlin]

Laye yesterday evening it was still at q1 2022 for eu

Also 100% people trying to scalp that can't get rid of theirs on launch

still is btw

[zenith sonnet]

Watch me getting it early enough to scalp

[reef patrol]

Meanwhile YouTube is being kept artificially afloat by Alphabet.

[reef tundra]

They got tired of existing it seems

[reef tundra]

The user data will pay for itself well enough

[wheat plume]

Same

[true quest]

vimeo added to the no no list

[reef tundra]

Naughty naughty

[wheat plume]

10 grand???????

Wtf

[misty saffron]

ok i'm good now

[reef tundra]

the good story arc? pog

[hearty lake]

i wish i could even order anything from steam... valve doesn't ship to switzerland

[misty saffron]

i asked a german friend

so can relate

[wheat plume]

Was about to ask how an SSD is that expensive until I read the rest of it

[hearty lake]

Its all exclusive and premium u know 😉

[wheat plume]

:')

Got premium glass covering to protect it

[edgy hull]

Well I mean, just get a screen protector + cool carrying case

[hearty lake]

but thats not PrEmIuM and ExClUsIvE

[wheat plume]

It would be nice if the Switch came with one of those

But a case is like €20 so it doesn't matter much

[reef tundra]

What else will they call it? the not shit ones? better than average? you could have gotten worse?

[wheat plume]

Xd

[misty saffron]

"good enough carrying case"

[true quest]

do i reserve yay or nay

[misty saffron]

do you want to receive it 6 months later?

[reef tundra]

I like the aspect of decent processing power in portable form from a company not known to fuck users over for more money

[hearty lake]

what about "carrying case" i know is pulled from far away but wouldn't be that bad i guess

[true quest]

not worried about the receiving part

[misty saffron]

[reef tundra]

yea, but thats not how marketing works, because people are weird

[zenith sonnet]

Wouldn't wanna put a screen protector on the premium model

Carrying case is included with all models

So that's good and saves the need for a protector

[hearty lake]

oh nice but is it premium & exclusive?

😅

[true quest]

until your younger cousin gets a hold of it and drops it lol

[zenith sonnet]

Yes

Exclusive with your Steam Deck

[reef tundra]

Because its not what is the average quality available on the market

[zenith sonnet]

It won't fall on the display

[reef tundra]

Like damaging the concrete

[zenith sonnet]

I doubt dropping it would break anything

[true quest]

not the first time

[misty saffron]

exactly why i don't let any children touch any of my shit

[true quest]

also corners exists

exist

unlevel ground

items on the floor

[reef tundra]

How about you dont drop it on the floor

[true quest]

tell that to the children

[misty saffron]

i haven't dropped my phone once in almost 2 years

[true quest]

see how well they listen

[misty saffron]

tell children not to fuck with your shit, easy

[reef tundra]

I have dropped my phone few times, never more than surface level damage.

[true quest]

if you have any that listen sure

could not forget

[misty saffron]

children not listening to relatives is literally shit parenting

[reef tundra]

Or you could use those guns to warn them

Spraycan and tag em

[true quest]

tag the children, red dawn style

[reef tundra]

Russian government process

I would not give a child an airsoft gun

[empty wren]

Worst with safety goggles is some gets a circle on skin and a bit of blood seeps out

[vagrant pagoda]

You just give them crappy ones

Like you give them spring pistols

[empty wren]

Those are fine just a little bleeding and it would take a few shots at close range for that to even happen

Most of them I am betting are single shot

[reef tundra]

Worst is that they take the thing off and get shot in the eye by themselves or others. Or they get the smart idea of pointing the thing at people and get police involved

[empty wren]

That would be a problem yes, I doubt someone would take off goggles if they are retarted maybe and I would think Locke is responsibly giving to played with non-infants

Well now you do not have to worry Pincus

[reef tundra]

Why worry, not my responsibility to keep them safe. Just telling how dangerous it can be and that I would not do it.

also they are treated as real weapons here

[empty wren]

Oh

Where do you live again Pincus?

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean at what age?

I had a single shot 22 at 9

Lol

[crisp granite]

there's no value to attacking the US for them

...

[zenith sonnet]

https://imgsli.com/NjE1NjE

https://imgsli.com/NjE1NTg

Seems like you need to open those in a browser

[reef tundra]

If any organised army invaded civilians are unable to form any effective resistance. Need to have form militia's quickly and have military backup as they will only be able to slow the invasion.

[dry tendon]

Good thing about those civillians is that foreign forces may slowly leak advanced weapons to them

[crimson wigeon]

Hmmm, not sure how this imgsli thing works and I don't have a 4K monitor, these are 4K shots right? Why does the zoom in button make it blurry af or is that just how these upscaling techniques are

[zenith sonnet]

I think the zoom button does just that, actually zoom in

[crimson wigeon]

oh, 1440p shots

[reef tundra]

One problem is they are basically useless for the defending militarily for their unproven loyalty, lack of formal training(thus unpredictable to command), Still need to give them guns when integrating into the army for logistical reasons. Oh, and eh the Geneva convention says its a big no no.

[crimson wigeon]

I think more interesting comparisons would be in motion to see how much of the classic temporal ghosts and artifacts still remain when DLSS is used (and hopefully with no ingame TAA adding that nonsense to either upscaler)

[pale sigil]

game?

[zenith sonnet]

Necromunda Hired Gun

It's pretty terrible, don't bother

[crisp granite]

like doom, but warhammer 40k universe and absolute dogshit

ngl though, shitty gameplay aside, it looks pretty good

[zenith sonnet]

FSR has the advantage of being able to run a higher base resolution for the same FPS than DLSS, so it will look better in many cases, but DLSS seems to have an advantage with certain types of detail, particularly transparent textures that need AA to begin with

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marines-warhammer40k-space-marine-ultramarine-bolter-gif-16783534

[zenith sonnet]

Also, I think FSR quickly gets fucked over by TAA or other post processing

[crisp granite]

look mate, I like warhammer 40k as much as the next guy

but...yeesh, game in question was a complete miss imo

[reef tundra]

Heracy, it better report this so im getting a quick death. I aint staying around the warp to be molested by the chaos gods

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ystHQ5Ath2w

Watching this on my WQHD monitor, FSR even looks a bit better than native
But the render resolution is probably higher than my screen res already, so...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmaifRsJs2E

[reef tundra]

There is not that much changing to hit the encoder limits

Snow, rain and the like are what makes it go cry in a ditch

[zenith sonnet]

DLSS looks so washed out

Why is that?

[wintry cedar]

Yup

[reef patrol]

Funny I was about to say FSR looks terrible in those side by sides. The contrast is darker...but everything's more blurry 😄

[zenith sonnet]

It's less blurry, though

[reef tundra]

Edges of objects seem to be less defined. Which can be because the need to guess between the points. Interpolating between the two points and creating more smooth transitions instead of able to go from one to the other 🤔

[reef patrol]

https://imgsli.com/NjE1NjE

FSR looks worse here.

[reef tundra]

Both are impressive and acceptable gain to performance for minimal visual loss.

[zenith sonnet]

I really varies depending on which part of the image you look at

[reef patrol]

Not to me. But screenshots and video are bad comparisons. Ya gotta see it in uncompressed movement imo.

[crimson wigeon]

Yes, only Huffyuv allowed

[reef tundra]

If the filesize is not in GBs then whats the point even

[astral haven]

Uncompressed video is a disk problem not a CPU problem

[zenith sonnet]

Three here

But I only have like 15 friends

12, just counted

[timid chasm]

8/83 for Steam Deck Deposit here

[old marlin]

took me a while to realize that he doesn't sell hats and knives as a dayjob

[timid chasm]

yeaah same

I was thinking "cause when I think hat and knife trader I think of a person who wants the new piece of tech :P"

[old marlin]

Rip him

Lego is terrible to all of the non-largest traders

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep for most people it's just fueling thier Lego hobby lol

[old marlin]

oh yea for sure

just sucks for small shops

[neat oriole]

The only physical toy stores I go to are lego stores

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-salute-honor-funeral-military-brothers-episode-gif-14468232

RIP Toys R Us.

You will be missed by kids everywhere.

And also adults that laugh at the name.

[ashen spindle]

ofc, after half a year I want to use my linux server again and only issues so far

[ashen spindle]

yup, fuck linux

I think the issue comes from the server still running debian jessie which is not supported anymore but I can't seem to be able to upgrade it

ughh I don't want to put a fresh image onto it and have to reinstall all the shit again but it looks like I have to

seriously why is linux upgrading worse than upgrading windows?

[crimson wigeon]

My experience is generally pretty good, although I use Ubuntu Server on one and NixOS on the other

[ashen spindle]

I mean I don't want to but I have to to install new things lmao

and I cant find a way to upgrade it aside from a clean wipe

the package servers are down as it's no longer supported, I changed it to the newer ones but it still wont work so all I'm finding is a way to to a fresh install

[ashen spindle]

well I might be lucky and I dont have to update, just had to transfer the zip to windows, unzip and put it back to the server via FTP

but as long as I dont need to install something new it might be enough

[young pecan]

This is why we keep our shit updated.

[pale sigil]

i went as a child but only one time was special

[young pecan]

And this is also why the children still on Windows 7 for “bEttEr oS reAsoNS!!11!1!” have an invalid opinion.

[pale sigil]

my mum bought me a car thing

that i could drive lol

[young pecan]

Just... update and kill off the telemetry.

[pale sigil]

i drove it out of the store

it was glorious i think

[young pecan]

Pog.

[pale sigil]

then i broke it thinking i was filling the engine up with petrol using water

[ashen spindle]

false this is why I won't update it now, because it works

[pale sigil]

xD

[ashen spindle]

apt get wont work but who cares if the rest works for now

cba with a fresh install

[pale sigil]

ift apt get dont work

you have a cursed system

[young pecan]

It’s Debian.

It’s cursed from install.

[ashen spindle]

it used to work when jessie was still supported

now it''s not and the manual updating of links didn't work so while it works I wont change it

[young pecan]

Pull the bandaid off now.

Just reinstall and be done with it. Less problems down the line.

[ashen spindle]

nope, because once I get to the point that I actually need to reinstall I know I wont need some of the things so I dont need to put them back

so less work if I wait

[pale sigil]

Ok maybe i was wrong about linus not allowing people to do certain stuff on their social media

Lol

Cos fucking hell

[young pecan]

Who even is that?

@pale sigil

[vagrant pagoda]

Madison is LMGs social media person

She also won the ASUS rig reboot

[young pecan]

Cringe tweet is cringe.

[vagrant pagoda]

They pretty much have free reign as long as they don't compete with lmg

So they can't do like tech reviews

But they can stream/game and get sponsors/ads

[vagrant pagoda]

You're just too old

[young pecan]

Bruh.

[ashen spindle]

[young pecan]

If that’s what classifies as good humour I’ll happily carry the old badge.

Old at 23, bring it the fuck on.

[vagrant pagoda]

Or you're just lame

Lol

Get hip nerd 🤓

[young pecan]

Lmfao no

Proper garbage tier tweet, that.

Idk how, tbh. She’s not exactly new as a social media manager.

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-smile-ok-happy-gif-14150032

[empty wren]

I agree makes me question why she is even taking a picture in the bathroom too

[young pecan]

<obligatory popular comment about Twitter person being relatable>

[ashen spindle]

the point was to post a non generic raid sponsorhip tweet with more interaction, seems to have worked out perfectly from these reactions

[young pecan]

Raid sponsorship is kinda cringe, ngl.

Everyone ever by this stage is fully aware that raid is just a garbage money pit.

[pale sigil]

Also the bathroom thing is just

It's her

She does weird shit

Every video tweet is her punching of throwing shit at the camera lol

[young pecan]

It’s very 2019 but the early part before that year got it’s shit together?

[ashen spindle]

sure but raid still throws out big sums, can't hold it against anyone wanting those stacks, especially if you then make fun of the sponsorship

[young pecan]

Fair enough.

[pale sigil]

That is also true

They offer a lot of monies

And to get madison

Is a huge win...

That's why i was surprised

Because her presence is quite large there days

And essentially an extension of ltt

[ashen spindle]

not really because her personal sponsors dont get a way into lmg that way and her account alone is not as big as a lot of others who took a raid sponsor

[pale sigil]

I mean look at this xd

[ashen spindle]

it's a pretty normal sponsorship for raid to do, nothing special

[pale sigil]

If a big member of ltt gets sponsored

It's essentially ltt being sponsored a little bit

[ashen spindle]

no?

[pale sigil]

Right so, don't pay ltt direct, let's just pay one of their very popular staff instead as its essentially the same audience

[ashen spindle]

again, no not really

[pale sigil]

Madison has already been told off and literally said you made me to ltt

Her audience is literally ltt

[ashen spindle]

also ltt already had a raid sponsorship way before this

so no they didn't get into ltt this way

[pale sigil]

Ye and It got a lot of bscklash

[ashen spindle]

they already were in before

yea

[pale sigil]

A LOT

[ashen spindle]

rightfully so

[pale sigil]

So they can avoid that by using a staff instead

[ashen spindle]

who is they

[pale sigil]

The agent or whoever organised the sponsor

[young pecan]

So glad Linus realised he needs to fuck off with the raid sponsorships.

That video did awfully.

Was very happy when he pulled back hard.

[ashen spindle]

raid doesnt give a shit if about backlash from some medium sized community

[young pecan]

No, but Linus himself does.

[ashen spindle]

yes but I'm trying to dispute callums point

[young pecan]

Ah.

Yeah no, raid don’t care at all.

[ashen spindle]

raid dont give a shit if she is part of ltt or if this was a creator with its own commuit with about that size

[pale sigil]

Imagine if they sponsored gabe

[young pecan]

It’s all just ever growing sponsors. Doesn’t matter who.

[pale sigil]

And not steam

Essentially sponsoring steam

[young pecan]

If it’s people talking about their trash game it’s a win for them.

[pale sigil]

Bit of a big difference like

XD

[ashen spindle]

okay your example is really bad and still makes no sense

[young pecan]

Any publicity is good publicity.

Yeee. Quin is on the money there.

[pale sigil]

Point is people ascociate madison with ltt

And essentially she becomes a voice of ltt

[young pecan]

It’s really not the same because the media manager doesn’t carry the same weight as LTT.

[pale sigil]

Thus also attracts the audience

[young pecan]

If Linus himself said it, fine sure.

But Madison doesn’t carry that weight.

[pale sigil]

She does though

[young pecan]

Yeah no.

[pale sigil]

A large majority of her audience is ltt fans

[young pecan]

Doesn’t matter.

They can be fans, but she doesn’t carry the validity of LTT.

Linus does.

Not her.

[ashen spindle]

ok she has 80k followers that are to whatever % from the 1.4 million that ltt has

[pale sigil]

She's also literally been warned bevsuse she literally carries some weight

[ashen spindle]

that is a small enough ammount for it to not be relevant here