I dont get the appeal of these machines though
#πβtech
old marlin
halcyon moss
well i guess that settles it.. xbox controller with phone mount it will be
dry tendon
How are these things suposed to be used? what for
zenith sonnet
According to this, they will shift production toward the more expensive models
zenith sonnet
They have enough lead time
dry tendon
its ok for old games but then the display will fail
dry tendon
I remember that but medium settings at 800p doesnt sound appealing to me IDK
old marlin
you really don't need a ton of performance
dry tendon
I still see individual pixels a 4K 32"
dry tendon
I dont even get the Switch either
crimson wigeon
As expected
dry tendon
OK but think about it
old marlin
yea
halcyon moss
yes
old marlin
not for 679 dollars
halcyon moss
but the desktop is heavy
old marlin
not when I drive a train for 2 hours
not when I sit in the back of a car for even longer
not when I am ANYWHERE on the go
dry tendon
When I am on the train I just read :d ... then again I do that on the PC as well...
halcyon moss
why am i even trying to argue with a pigeon
old marlin
not when I just wanna play some games sitting in my bed
dry tendon
not when I just wanna play some games sitting in my bed
But that isnt comfortable
old marlin
my pc is just going to be better on my desk
dry tendon
you are neither resting nor playing
old marlin
But that isnt comfortable
no?
that is how I used to play gameboy
doesn't change now
and if you want to buy a gaming pc for 700β¬ this is even better
dry tendon
;d I didnt grow up with mobile games or consoles so I guess I dont get it at all
old marlin
since you can use it as a desktop
provided you have no desktop yet
cause the hardware is more than capable
it is a pretty powerful APU
you don't really need a shitton of cores
dry tendon
Can this thing be used for work well enough? The HID seems meh for that
old marlin
and the gpu power is just fine
old marlin
Can this thing be used for work well enough? The HID seems meh for that
you can plug it to a monitor
and add a mouse and keyboard
it runs linux
with a regular desktop enviroment
dry tendon
yeah but at that point a laptop would be better
zenith sonnet
Since this thing isn't a locked down platform. Do you recon you'll be able to OC it, or handtune the memory?
old marlin
yeah but at that point a laptop would be better
at 700β¬?
dry tendon
Yes
dry tendon
there are 5000 series laptops with low-tier GPUs or the iGPU in that price range
much much faster CPU, GPU that is comparable or a bit better
halcyon moss
yeah but thats a laptop
dry tendon
Of course, Valve is a US company
zenith sonnet
there are 5000 series laptops with low-tier GPUs or the iGPU in that price range
And cucked to hell memory
dry tendon
Remember how scummy valve was when they had to give EU citizens right to refund
Piece of shit company
halcyon moss
why does GB (grea brittain?) get so much
old marlin
there are 5000 series laptops with low-tier GPUs or the iGPU in that price range
ok this is better than all of those
gpu wise
a LOT better that is
dry tendon
ITs weaker than a 3050
old marlin
ITs weaker than a 3050
which apu is not?
dry tendon
its going to be only somewhat faster than a 5700G's iGPU
old marlin
ok
dry tendon
since it has 8 RDNA2 cores with LPDDR5 but limited clocks
old marlin
no 5700g at that pricepoint
reef tundra
EU wants to ban me putting lead into the food, they say its a public health hazard what do they know, its natural
halcyon moss
wrong side of the bed this morning?
dry tendon
EU wants to ban me putting lead into the food, they say its a public health haza...
Yeah. I am not in love with the EU but its more or less the nicest overall global player
AMD benefit from this
dry tendon
but I think an Ampere-based GPU would be better. While FSR is comparable at high res to DLSS, at low, DLSS always wins
halcyon moss
what laptop at 700β¬ has a faster gpu
dont forget the controller
zenith sonnet
RDNA2 will be in so fucking many devices. I would not be surprised if it lives to see 500 million deployments in it's lifetime
astral haven
but I think an Ampere-based GPU would be better. While FSR is comparable at high...
Nah
Ampere is very bandwidth heavy
old marlin
yea ok nvidia provides no decent laptop cpu
intel does not provide one this well suited either
astral haven
The Hercules CPUs are solid, but not x86 :/
old marlin
and tbh fsr/dlss not necessary for the screen
astral haven
The small orin
dry tendon
what laptop at 700β¬ has a faster gpu
Acer Nitro 5 AN515-45-R68X NH.QB9EX.009
5600H, GTX 1650
reef tundra
Nvidia is mostly arm focussed
astral haven
Advanced Optimus doesn't use a mux chip, it's part of the ampere gpu
dry tendon
a FUCK ton faster than the Gaben PC
wintry cedar
I'm gonna scalp Steam Decks
zenith sonnet
Why does this need extra mention?
old marlin
Acer Nitro 5 AN515-45-R68X NH.QB9EX.009
5600H, GTX 1650
not even sold here anymore
old marlin
I'm gonna scalp Steam Decks
yea fuck off
dry tendon
Fair, but it is sold here. Plus there are many other comparable laptops
wintry cedar
yea fuck off
$1500 and it's yours
old marlin
also 1650
dry tendon
LOL
old marlin
great deal
reef tundra
I'm gonna scalp Steam Decks
old marlin
ngl
dry tendon
I found several more comparable laptops
TBH at least on low-end devices I understand that
astral haven
The gpu has a mux as part of the display controller...
Not super complicated
reef tundra
Because O costed more money
wintry cedar
There are OLED cheap China phones
zenith sonnet
Where do you read that it does not?
dry tendon
Looks at price
Seems cheap to me IDK
astral haven
It's a full on computer
astral haven
For $400
With raytracing
dry tendon
you wouldnt be able to use the RT in that thing I think
astral haven
Where do you read that it does not?
Might come with a firmware update but they ain't saying it for now
reef tundra
VulkanRT
astral haven
you wouldnt be able to use the RT in that thing I think
You could, just not in a hybrid game
It would have to be rt only
dry tendon
german offerings are igpu or mx330
Well π IDK . I cannot check as I dont know the German sites to check. Here we have 9-10 sites I can check
old marlin
yes
dry tendon
yes
zenith sonnet
I don't think VRR needs a mention any more
There is barely anything being made that doesn't have it yet
old marlin
Well π IDK . I cannot check as I dont know the German sites to check. Here we h...
I use a price comparison site
astral haven
It would be an lcd driver firmware update but yes
old marlin
checks a ton of places at once
astral haven
I don't think VRR needs a mention any more
There is barely anything being made t...
Not a single handheld yet does
reef tundra
You can force it in whatever you want. Even nvidia allows you to force gsync to a display
zenith sonnet
Unless specifically stated that it does not support VRR, I would assume it does
astral haven
No pincus
astral haven
Unless specifically stated that it does not support VRR, I would assume it does
That is a terrible assumption lmao
astral haven
You can force it in whatever you want. Even nvidia allows you to force gsync to ...
And this only works on panels using edp, not lvds which is significantly more common
zenith sonnet
MSI GF63 10SC-243 Thin
Probably cucked memory, shitty af keyboard and touchpad, no touch enabled display...
dry tendon
but that laptop >>> Steam machine
reef tundra
Then rip the display out and get one that you can beat it of the best to
astral haven
The 16gb of ram on the deck is solid tho
Actually is this universal across all models?
dry tendon
you can do actual work on it
old marlin
Probably cucked memory, shitty af keyboard and touchpad, no touch enabled displa...
can confirm 2/3
ram is some single 2933 8gb module
old marlin
The 16gb of ram on the deck is solid tho
Actually is this universal across all m...
yes
astral haven
Memory being bad isn't really a problem for such a low tier dgpus since it has vram
astral haven
LPDDR5 though
What
old marlin
ah
astral haven
It's lpddr5?
wintry cedar
DM me if you want Deck for $1800
astral haven
Ye
80GB/s
dry tendon
weird how Van Gogh is Zen 2 but supports LPDDR5
astral haven
Lpddr5 is lpddr4 basically
astral haven
Lpddr5 is lpddr4 basically
But based on ddr4 instead of ddr3
astral haven
bandwidth alone does not tell a lot of the story
For the GPU it does
old marlin
astral haven
And when the CPU is the bottleneck, that ram speed will not be a problem
astral haven
What
astral haven
Uh what
old marlin
they claim 15
dry tendon
So it being 60 hz isnt great
old marlin
and considering it does not come with a dock I would assume it always runs at 15 max
old marlin
NO MATTER what
yea no shit
astral haven
So it being 60 hz isnt great
Yea if it was 120 vrr I'd grab it as a stream machine
zenith sonnet
4-15W variable
dry tendon
Fair
old marlin
not the best choice
astral haven
Vrr saves more power...
astral haven
Cause 48hz vrr feels very similar to 60hz
zenith sonnet
Yes
astral haven
That's a terrible assumption
old marlin
I mean
you should be able to use it plugged in a lot of the time
and they probably won't restrict you to that
astral haven
2 hours of battery means the console as a whole is using 25w which is very normal for 15w average soc on a handheld
old marlin
if running it on 15W permanently is a good decision is another question
should be even less actually
22,5W
total
reef tundra
If you want it to be handheld you wont get the best specs 
astral haven
Dude
astral haven
Power usage is power usage
wintry cedar
I have managed to reserve a Deck, straight to ebay hahahaha
astral haven
If it is draining the battery in 2 hours it is using an average of around 22w on the 45wh battery
This isn't complicated lmao
reef tundra
Maybe send them a telegram about it. Carrier pigeon might be still around
dry tendon
Expecting that is like expecting DF to mention DLSS ghosting or light-based artifacts in their reviews. π
dry tendon
Running STALKER NLC7 should be the benchmark
astral haven
There are plenty of 2d games
old marlin
Running STALKER NLC7 should be the benchmark
does that even run for 2 hours without a crash 
reef tundra
Dip it in the water and it wont last long i know that
crimson wigeon
Finally got an email about my pending transaction... that it errored.. the retry button didn't work
Now it did and yay it went through time to see what time slot I got I bet Q3
reef tundra
That is the way
dry tendon
I should have ordered some for scalping Sigh
astral haven
I really don't think this is going to be a good scalp target
reef tundra
Then get a bigger screen
zenith sonnet
I wanna handtune memory on the Steam Deck
crimson wigeon
Alright time to head off to the bay of E!
astral haven
Also here's the thing
Handheld screen sizes aren't comparable to normal ones
If it's too small
Just move it closer
wintry cedar
I really don't think this is going to be a good scalp target
I will sell for at least double
crimson wigeon
Or do the Gameboy thing and just get a ridiculous looking magnifying glass thingamajig to make it big
astral haven
You underestimate how much hardware valve can churn out when they try
dry tendon
This doesnt depend on Valve but TSMC
zenith sonnet
Those SoCs are small
reef tundra
Valve could theoretically issue a cease and desist letter and get all the scalpers banned on ebay and the likes
zenith sonnet
They can make millions
dry tendon
I dont use Ebay
wintry cedar
I'm not doing it for profit though, doing it to contribute to a cause
old marlin
astral haven
This doesnt depend on Valve but TSMC
It depends on how much valve is willing to throw at AMD to get from their allocation
dry tendon
Valve doesnt have enough money for that. HPC and AI and Server customers = more money than what Valve can reach
astral haven
The more money you pay amd the higher the % allocation they give you
astral haven
Valve doesnt have enough money for that. HPC and AI and Server customers = more ...
That's not true
N7 isn't being used by hpc and ai
reef tundra
Valve has the connections in the industry to get hardware made
dry tendon
So CDNA and Milan arent used?
zenith sonnet
I really wonder how many preorders reservations they get
reef tundra
False
crimson wigeon
Based on how the servers handled this, probably a lot of reservations..
crisp granite
False
I can call bullshit because I have a $20 CAD bill in my pocket, therefore valve doesn't have every single bit of money on earth
but...that 20 bucks will probably go to them...so...
astral haven
So CDNA and Milan arent used?
Cdna isn't getting over 20k wafers, and Milan is same story
Milan is mostly n12 tbh
Significantly more n12 wafers are required for Milan than n7
reef tundra
And servers run on the hopes and dreams of perpertual motion machines or something?
dry tendon
I dont think Van Gogh can even defeat RDNA2 in margins
crimson wigeon
It absolutely is funded by that evil 30%
astral haven
I dont think Van Gogh can even defeat RDNA2 in margins
It can't but valve could make it happen
Also RDNA margins aren't fantastic surprisingly
dry tendon
RDNA2 margins are quite decent
astral haven
Not for AMD at least
dry tendon
Do you have a source or is it just conjecture?
astral haven
Board partners aren't getting shafted this gen
dry tendon
People even said Vega didnt make a profit which is insane tbh
AIBs are getting shafted this gen actually
that is why initial RX 6000 GPUs had brutal MSRPs
astral haven
I don't have a "source" π
But it's uh
Reliable information
dry tendon
More reliable than Sapphire?
reef tundra
Can confirm, because i have decided it to be true
dry tendon
Anyways, if 30% Steam cut goes for shit like this, then it REALLY isnt worth it
astral haven
Like the margins on rx6000 are "as far into the positive as ampere MSRP was in the negative"
zenith sonnet
It absolutely is funded by that evil 30%
I pay my taxes to Valve
reef tundra
Then you would not mind them shutting down the servers would you??
astral haven
Anyways, if 30% Steam cut goes for shit like this, then it REALLY isnt worth it
Tbh it'll probably also come with a copy of citadel so $400 hardware and $60 game
π€·ββοΈ
dry tendon
I mean that its bad that this is hurting gaming long term
just so we can get a meme toy
IDK
astral haven
Fam
reef tundra
What? You talking crazy fam
astral haven
This is going to be the most open (computer) hardware that ever will sell more than a thousand units this century
dry tendon
Actually I am wrong, the Steam cut isnt 30% anymore. Its less for some games
reef tundra
Whatever the cut is it pays the servers that allow me to download the games
zenith sonnet
What Valve doing is great for consumers
An open platform without bullshit restrictions to the user
reef tundra
Gog is lazy
dry tendon
once again, they were fighting against the EU on the right to get your money back
astral haven
COnsidering how GOG >> Steam
Gog womt push forward right to repair
dry tendon
that is objectively evil
Even Origin did that
Even EA beat valve there
Also Steam doesnt have a no-DRM rule, de facto forces updates... its community features are a meme
I dont get it
zenith sonnet
Gog womt push forward right to repair
They make hardware?
astral haven
Even EA beat valve there
Steams policy was (in the past) alot better than 14 days
You can beat a game in 14 days and then return it (which is fraud)
astral haven
They make hardware?
Exactly
dry tendon
Steams policy was (in the past) alot better than 14 days
You can beat a game in ...
You couldnt return the game at all in the past
astral haven
Steams policy was (in the past) alot better than 14 days
You can beat a game in ...
Legally required fraud
astral haven
You couldnt return the game at all in the past
Uh what
dry tendon
Once you buy it, that is it. That is how Steam was till 2013 I think
reef tundra
So your point is that we should get none at all then?
crisp granite
look, think whatever you want about valve
the hardware is fucking awesome regardless
wheat plume
Once you buy it, that is it. That is how Steam was till 2013 I think
That's how Nintendo still is
dry tendon
No, my point is that when the EU says Jump, Valve should ask "How high do you want me to jump?" especially when its about things that are in favor of the consumer
astral haven
Problem is
Games are not physical media
dry tendon
the hardware is fucking awesome regardless
Yeah, AMD's hardware
crisp granite
with a valve label on it
astral haven
You can't return a movie
crisp granite
sold by valve
dry tendon
That's how Nintendo still is
I hate Nintendo actively. I dont hate Valve. I just have no loyalty for them.
astral haven
Financed by valve
dry tendon
Using tech fully developed and financed by AMD for use in ROme and RDNA 2
crisp granite
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
astral haven
No, my point is that when the EU says Jump, Valve should ask "How high do you wa...
Problem is when you apply laws meant for objects to art
dry tendon
100% of the important engineering is AMD's and happened before Valve thought of it
Yes, the product is Valve's though
crisp granite
it's sold under a valve label, with custom AMD SoCs
seems like AMD made parts for it, which is always pog
but...valve product at the end of the day
dry tendon
Valve product, AMD engineering
astral haven
100% of the important engineering is AMD's and happened before Valve thought of ...
You'd be surprised
This hardware funding predates rdna2 existing in general
dry tendon
Van Gogh is a chimera
astral haven
Valve product, AMD engineering
Yes but valve is also paying for engineering
dry tendon
I am fairly certain Valve didnt give AMD the hundreds of millions to develop RDNA1 and 2 and Zen 2 but whatever
At least its better than Nintendo
astral haven
They probably paid several million to get this chip developed several years ago
reef tundra
But they are paying them big time for the engineers they commission to realise the project. They go serveral hunderd per hour give or take
astral haven
I wouldn't be surprised if valve paid a larger percentage of rdna2s dev budget than sony
Not Microsoft but just sony
dry tendon
I doubt that strongly but there is no way to know
astral haven
That is true
dry tendon
Now if Valve could use their power to bully other publishers into a no-DRM stance, that would be good
crisp granite
At least its better than Nintendo
nintendo cucking consumers with proprietary shit
like always
reef tundra
That is what they are doing?
dry tendon
Nintendo are the type of company that deserve someone testing Thermobaric warhead on top of their offices
astral haven
Oh man
Friend just made a great point
This is a steam controller 2 with a free Linux machine attached
I may need to buy this just because of that
crisp granite
I'd love to play several games that are switch exclusives, but there's no fucking way I'm paying for a console just to play a few games when I have a perfectly good PC for them
zenith sonnet
You can shit on Valve all you want, but...
An open PC platform without vendor locks, that pushes the tech, hardware and software, forward?
I'm a fan.
astral haven
Nintendo are the type of company that deserve someone testing Thermobaric warhea...
Nah
People are good
They need a financial restructurinf
dry tendon
Nah
People are good
They need a financial restructurinf
Then whoever is in charge of closing fan projects, bullying smaller developers and being proprietary deserves the thermobaric warhead, the other employees are free to go
crisp granite
they build em on PCs, might as well ship the games out on PC as well
astral haven
Ffs they are giving the middle finger to all 3 big companies
Microsoft most of all
But true open source is giving apple and Google the middle finger
And flashable hardware which is repairable is giving apple the middle finger
crisp granite
they're doing what the consumer wants and values
astral haven
Then whoever is in charge of closing fan projects, bullying smaller developers a...
That's financial
dry tendon
You can shit on Valve all you want, but...
An open PC platform without vendor lo...
I dont shit on them π I just have zero loyalty to them
GOG has done more good than Valve has for the Art Form
IMHO
astral haven
Loyalty is dumb
dry tendon
This doesnt mean they are perfect, but on the firing line, you know who you'd shoot last at least
crisp granite
yeppers
reef tundra
Even if they are somehow schemic some evil plot, we can use their money and reputation to put more pressure for anti-cheats to fuck off and make directx obsolete
crisp granite
nintendo first and foremost
astral haven
GOG has done more good than Valve has for the Art Form
Valve has pushed forwards gaming further than all other companies combined
dry tendon
Nintendo wont get to the firing line, we would do a Katin with them
crisp granite
is it too much to ask for breath of the wild on PC?
it was built on them
tested on them, and later the switch
wintry cedar
At least you can emulate it
dry tendon
Valve has pushed forwards gaming further than all other companies combined
How?
Good games but not even the best. Half Life 1 is cucked by Unreal 1. Half Life 2 is great but it isnt quite GOAT level.
They have DRM
crisp granite
At least you can emulate it
true that, but it's a fucking shame to even need that at this point
dry tendon
they have benefited from predatory schemes
they dont release source code access to their games
astral haven
Valve has pushed forwards gaming further than all other companies combined
Story inside of gameplay, forcing shaders, and vr
dry tendon
They act like thugs on the international stage vs other countries
wintry cedar
Actually Valve has released source code for some while CDPR never did
dry tendon
Fair, but which Valve game has source code access?
Also TBH, we now have source code for W3 and W2 apparently
reef tundra
They have DRM
They do?
dry tendon
it leaked which is the best thing to happen to the games lol
crisp granite
Even if they are somehow schemic some evil plot, we can use their money and repu...
DirectX has it's perks, I think the pog thing to do would be to make it more open, and on linux as well
wheat plume
There aren't going to release source code for counter strike games
Those are eSports titles
astral haven
they dont release source code access to their games
Games don't need source code releases, yet valve directly provides the developer tools to create them
wheat plume
DirectX has it's perks, I think the pog thing to do would be to make it more ope...
Vulkan is also great but it takes a while to compile shaders
wintry cedar
it leaked which is the best thing to happen to the games lol
Leaking ain't the same as releasing
dry tendon
Games don't need source code releases, yet valve directly provides the developer...
Looks at DOOM 1 and 2
wintry cedar
Valve released source code for HL2 deathmatch and I think all of HL2 actually
dry tendon
Make no mistake, an SDK is great
reef tundra
DirectX has it's perks, I think the pog thing to do would be to make it more ope...
Vulkan says hello
crisp granite
...
astral haven
*Looks at DOOM 1 and 2*
Doom separated story and gameplay
Hl1 did not
astral haven
but Source COde is 10/10
Art vs application
Applications need source code, art does not
crimson wigeon
Valve officially released the code for the game part of HL1&2
Not the engine source code though
Check https://github.com/ValveSoftware/
This is how mods came to be
dry tendon
Doom separated story and gameplay
Hl1 did not
This was in response to modding. DOOM 1 and 2 modding = GOAT
Half Life 1 and 2 modding = amazing, but NOT GOAT
also
Unreal 1 beat HL1
wintry cedar
Art vs application
Applications need source code, art does not
Source code access can keep old games (art) running on modern systems better, at the very least
Also just generally improve them
dry tendon
Unreal 1 did story and gameplay before HL1 released
astral haven
Unreal 1 did story and gameplay before HL1 released
And
Not in
ashen spindle
unreal has story? lol
dry tendon
Uhm... its a 22 hour single-player campaign yeah
astral haven
Lmao
dry tendon
with a 10 hour expansion pack
ashen spindle
never knew 
dry tendon
I think you guys are confusing it with Unreal Tournament
which is a different game
literally a different game
wintry cedar
You guys are talking like Half-Life is Planescape: Torment or something
crisp granite
I think you guys are confusing it with Unreal Tournament
angry german kid noises
reef tundra
half life 1 was a breakthrough in game design. Which was stagnating by the time
astral haven
Shooting enemies is not story
crisp granite
Shooting enemies is not story
you clearly haven't played enough wolfenstein
dry tendon
I guess it shows that many people havent played U1 lol
wintry cedar
half life 1 was a breakthrough in game design. Which was stagnating by the time
Well it focused on presentation more than anything, but that does count as game design I suppose
astral haven
I have never heard anything good about unreal
Let's put it that way
And I've heard plenty of complaints about the blandness
dry tendon
The Virgin relying on people who havent even played it
VS
The Chad playing it
Anyways, Ive NEVER heard such words about Unreal 1 lol
it was literally one of the highest rated games of 1998
and most impressive technologically
Most people confuse it with Unreal Tournament
wintry cedar
I have never heard anything good about unreal
Let's put it that way
And I've hea...
Sounds like you're making this up actually, it was critically acclaimed and always had a great reputation
astral haven
Ok but what about after half life released...
reef tundra
One of the many doom varients which deviated next to none to the other 10000 other doom clones
crisp granite
The Virgin relying on people who havent even played it
VS
The Chad playing it
vs the cuck 35 year old neckbeard-ed virgin with heart issues and obesity watching a lets play by a vtuber
dry tendon
Unreal 1 has a lot more level diversity, equal AI to HL1, is longer, has better combat, and it still has a story
crimson wigeon
I will play OG Unreal soon-ish maybe once I bother figuring out how to make it handle the mouse properly
I played it for a hot couple minutes and damn those detail textures make it look insanely sharp even today
dry tendon
It even has as much lore as HL1 overall
wintry cedar
I will play OG Unreal soon-ish maybe once I bother figuring out how to make it h...
Use OldUnreal 227i unofficial patch and Unreal Evolution mod
dry tendon
it loses in presentation to HL1
crimson wigeon
One could say it was... Unreal
wintry cedar
and UnrealHD and Unreal227 HD Texture Pack v3.03 if you want improved textures
with UE it's still unparalleled for the genre in level design variety, weapon balancing, and AI
proper difficulty too on Unreal mode
astral haven
I never said anything about any of that
I said
Story inside of gameplay
reef tundra
Use the gameplay to tell the story
astral haven
You should watch the video
dry tendon
Locke lol do you pay attention to games
but yeah it is god tier tech for its day
aaahh
sorry
pale sigil
Ofc my mate got a reservation instantly
dry tendon
Unreal 1 even has ministories in its different biomes. Just like HL1
astral haven
Tech is good
Game is great
But it's not half-life
It was an fps with a story
Not an fps story
wintry cedar
Sure but Unreal's strengths are a lot stronger and more numerous
astral haven
I just said pushed gaming as a whole further forward...
dry tendon
Half Life 1 is an arcade FPS with a story too. I dont see a MAJOR difference between the two
wintry cedar
AI
Enemy variety
Level design brilliance and variety
Weapon balancing and variety and creativity
Difficulty/challenge
Multiplayer
dry tendon
they both have the same complexity of storytelling
astral haven
Says you and noone else
dry tendon
Ive played both?
wintry cedar
Both actually consist of environmental storytelling with some dynamic events yeah
astral haven
Every single thing I have ever seen is
"It's not half-life but"
wintry cedar
dry tendon
Jester at least can vouch for me, storytelling is something I get well
@wintry cedar you are on 1 planet technically
astral haven
Don't mind if I don't believe your opinions
dry tendon
The game is so cheap , you can easily confirm it for yourself
wintry cedar
He'd rather not face reality
dry tendon
Hell Id buy it for you if you want to
dry tendon
I am serious
astral haven
The problem is what people thought and did
Again
It could be the best game of all time
But what did it do for gaming today
dry tendon
It is indeed one of the toppest tier FPS games of all time
Unreal 2 isnt even a bad game. Its solid
reef tundra
And yet you have to tell everyone about its existance and significance and not with half life. π€
dry tendon
it just gets cucked by U1
wintry cedar
While it's like 1/20 of what Unreal is, I actually feel it's underrated. Especially when stuff like Halo gets praised
dry tendon
And yet you have to tell everyone about its existance and significance and not w...
I have to tell American teens about the existence of Lermontov or Dostoevsky, but they know Twilight and 50 Shades π
so I dont see popularity as a serious point TBH
astral haven
Halo at least massively increased the number of people playing games
Also I do have unreal gold apparently
wintry cedar
But what did it do for gaming today
I know what you mean. Half-Life led to some more presentation-focused shooters (at least partially a bad thing), Unreal contributed to the surging arena shooter genre at the time (inadvertently)
dry tendon
Unreal 1 started one of the most influential engines of all time, its Multiplayer made it to be one of the greatest MP games of all time and one under which every single modern FPS cannot even compare to.
Both influenced technology and game design.
wintry cedar
True about the engine lol, can't deny that ^
dry tendon
Also I do have unreal gold apparently
Nice, Jester give him the drugs to get the best experience possible on U1
astral haven
Unreal 1 started one of the most influential engines of all time, its Multiplaye...
Yes
But which is more important
Which is better
For gaming as an art form
wintry cedar
Which is better
Subjective but I prefer the outcome of Unreal's influence over the outcome of Half-Life's
dry tendon
Yes
But which is more important
Honestly? To go for gameplay over presentation.
But this is subjective
and mind you, Half Life is in my top 5 games
astral haven
Objectively speaking tho
dry tendon
Alas, this specific discussion cant be objective since its a value judgement
wintry cedar
You could associate some of the dumbed down presentation-focused gameplay devoid console crap (beginning in the 2000s and leading to a big decline in quality today) with Half-Life influence
astral haven
Well not nescessarily
wintry cedar
or HL2 influence maybe
astral haven
I'm not talking at all about quality
There were some really really awful games that had gigantic affects on the video game industry
wintry cedar
Yeah pretty much, and it has come to a point where AAA games have that instead of actual gameplay
wintry cedar
There were some really really awful games that had gigantic affects on the video...
Yes like MW2. In terms of measurable impact on gaming though, Unreal's engine is more than what Half-Life did but ignoring engine then Half-Life probably did change gaming more
astral haven
Ah but source was more affectual than unreal in terms of pushing the art form forwards thanks to the modability and the ease of such
dry tendon
Unreal 1 was very moddable too
reef tundra
Half life was made up of modders
dry tendon
- S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Series as one whole
- Witcher 3 (I like Witcher 1 and 2 more, W1 > W2)
- DOOM Series
- SOMA
- Half Life series
- Unreal 1 (if 2 was as good, it would fight with DOOM)
- Men of War series but I hate the devs.
astral haven
Unreal was not natively moddable
dry tendon
my top 7 since i am revising the list
The mutators menu came later? I dont know
I like FEAR a lot but its way down for me
astral haven
Best game of all time is alyx
Then Titanfall 2
Then doom series
Then the rest of the half life series
wintry cedar
Unreal had an SDK and built in mod loading via the mutator system
and mods were key in Unreal Tournament's design one year later
HL Alyx is a weak game in design but its VR mechanics make it fun
Hell I have more fun with it than the other HL games at this point even though it's a weaker game on paper
forest sphinx
Man
reef tundra
So even though the gameplay was good you dont like it still.. curious
forest sphinx
you guys have said alot of stuff since I was here like 10 minutes ago lul
dry tendon
Either way, I think Carmon should try Unreal 1
forest sphinx
It will support raytracing, according to the video interview with IGN
dry tendon
it is underrated in MODERN times and I do NOT know why
astral haven
Either way, I think Carmon should try Unreal 1
I may give it a shot on my 3090 
dry tendon
Yes, that is PCMR
what, do you think I play new games on the 6900 XT? LMFAO
I am not a peasant
wintry cedar
I may give it a shot on my 3090 <:lmao:512056252793356295>
Amusingly enough I play mostly older games on my 3090 including plenty of 90s games
dry tendon
OLED TVs exist I dont think we need the FW900
astral haven
Nah
My 980ti is being lent to a friend and nothing newer has analog native support
reef tundra
What kind of battery do you hope they manage to fit.
pale sigil
wintry cedar
With forced HDR, it is rad
astral haven
What kind of battery do you hope they manage to fit.
The 45wh battery they said they would
wintry cedar
If that's the deck, I hope you scalp it!
reef tundra
Yes, thats because valve is competent in delivering products
astral haven
I really can't stand gaming on 60hz tho :/
crisp granite
I really can't stand gaming on 60hz tho :/
it took experiencing one game at 120 hz to change my mind
I used to think 30 FPS was more than enough
xD
reef tundra
60hz on the go is already quite a lot
wintry cedar
3 digit frame rate or bust
forest sphinx
Obviously we can dream
empty wren
Going beyond 75 seems pointless to me unless I was competitive
crisp granite
I'd say 90 Hz would be quite pog
forest sphinx
but as far as portable hardware thats pretty good
empty wren
90hz might be fine too
astral haven
30 to 60 maybe even 75 is good enough for me
It severely depends on the game
pale sigil
i think i got q1
forest sphinx
kids are playing fortnite on nintendo switch
empty wren
It severely depends on the game
Guess 120hz on apex legends made little impact then
pale sigil
a lot of people seem to be wanting the 512gb
astral haven
I'm fine with 60 in uh
Idk
Vvvvvv
forest sphinx
I'm fine with 60 on most stuff
crisp granite
Phones can do much higher refresh, but they aren't optimized for gaming
just needs some work to get to that point
forest sphinx
I generally game at 144
astral haven
Guess 120hz on apex legends made little impact then
90-120 was giving me a headache in apex
empty wren
On a phone feels like a joke
empty wren
90-120 was giving me a headache in apex
Oh interesting
forest sphinx
but my monitor can support 240 hz
reef tundra
Portable devices have a 99Wh limit. Airplanes dont want to deal with large fires.
empty wren
Colors suffer also going really high
forest sphinx
why not 100?
reef tundra
Because that was decided upon
wintry cedar
Going beyond 75 seems pointless to me unless I was competitive
120+ is nice just for visual immersion
astral haven
I'm now used to 240, but im fine with 120 on less active games like h0d
forest sphinx
Yeah my monitor has strobing and strobing at max refresh is much worse
crisp granite
why not 100?
legal bullshit from the yanks post 9/11 iirc
astral haven
Colors suffer also going really high
Depends on the panel
dry tendon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8p_myiqGP4
Digital Plebians made a video
for AMD's handheld
empty wren
120+ is nice just for visual immersion
I can agree with that
crimson wigeon
Witchard 3 just wants to run it through Novigrad
forest sphinx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8p_myiqGP4
Digital Plebians made a video
This is a weird question to ask until more people get their hands on units
astral haven
Maybe for vr
Ve uses special tricks to simulate 5khz for your eye
empty wren
Khz huh
wintry cedar
Speaking of VR, any Pimax users here?
dry tendon
Wichard 3 likely hasnt even read the books lmao
reef tundra
Ever had to deal with a chemical fire on a airplane spewing molten lithium?
empty wren
Speaking of VR, any Pimax users here?
Nah, but I can only imagine how impressive that is with the right hardware given how good besides colors the quest 2 looks inside
crisp granite
Nah, but I can only imagine how impressive that is with the right hardware given...
shame you'd have to jailbreak it to use it
wintry cedar
if only the reverb was 120 Hz or more and had a better display in general
nice resolution though compared to the competition
empty wren
Varjo vr-3 or bust
wintry cedar
Reverb G3 when
crisp granite
I ain't drilling holes in my wall to play VR
because...fuck you
and your lighthouses
crisp granite
hm
empty wren
I ain't drilling holes in my wall to play VR
You could just route the cables lol outside the wall
crisp granite
that's a better solution tbh
reef tundra
Did someone lost their boomer we got a boomer in aisle 6
crisp granite
Did someone lost their boomer we got a boomer in aisle 6
wintry cedar
Oh wait, you can't get body tracking so that's a limitation?
reef tundra
But display 
now it doesnt matter no more?
wintry cedar
of inside out*
ashen spindle
I dont like inside out because it uses more power on the headset which makes it harder to make it a wireless design
- accuracy so far is not as good on any inside out solution
wintry cedar
And I don't want to give up body tracking
astral haven
G2 is alot more expensive than that since you also need to buy base stations and controllers
My friend made that mistake lol
The "controllers" it has are unuseable
Yes but it's relatively nescessary
Lmao
Looks at the most finnikey headset
Vr bad
wintry cedar
PSVR2 will probably be obsolete, if not at launch then shortly after
astral haven
Quest 2 or index for beginners
If that doesn't work for you wait for the valve standalone
Facebook free version for $800 π€·ββοΈ
Nope
And it's the 256gb variant
And it works with virtual desktops nice 120hz link
So it's a very solid option if you are extremely anti facebook
But most people make a better decision
Burner Facebook account, and block the device from accessing Facebook servers in your router
crisp granite
you're still paying about 200 a year to those fucks for the privilege of using a business model of quest 2
wintry cedar
or just buy an Index
astral haven
you're still paying about 200 a year to those fucks for the privilege of using a...
You can choose not to pay for support
crisp granite
I like the burner account idea a shitload more ngl
astral haven
or just buy an Index
Index is still wired
astral haven
And the q2 is a $350 headset that is the same res and refresh...
I didn't
But I also don't have a quest
astral haven
I've seen it before yea
They will ask you to upload your id
crisp granite
...
red flag number 1
well, actually red flag 1 was an alien cunt running the show
but I digress
astral haven
That only works if you are exclusively using it with virtual desktop tho
crisp granite
cheap VR set up without selling my soul to the devil himself
crisp granite
That only works if you are exclusively using it with virtual desktop tho
the plan was never to use it for actual oculus apps, just as a VR headset for steam games
at least for me
astral haven
Tbf the native apps are cool
And hand tracking is also something I want to try
crisp granite
I'll be skinned and quartered before facebook gets a single cent from me
astral haven
I'm very hype for the valve standalone headset
crisp granite
agreed
the index is seriously in need of a refresh, even if it is till one of the best
thing is pretty heavy, no?
astral haven
It's relatively extremely heavy
crisp granite
also an arm and a leg, headset, controllers, chargers and lighthouses would run me $1320 CAD plus tax
wintry cedar
never bothers me though
astral haven
I've tried the oculuses and the G2
And the index feels twice as heavy
Even without the speakers
It's actually severe
Similarly comfortable
But it's hot and heavy
wintry cedar
definitely does heat you up
I want an Index 2 with a higher res display that can actually display blacks properly, less heat, eye tracking
crisp granite
I want an Index 2 with a higher res display that can actually display blacks pro...
I want an index that isn't insanely priced and offers inside out tracking
wintry cedar
We really need MicroLED
astral haven
Inside out can actually die in a hole
wintry cedar
I use body tracking, wouldn't want inside out
astral haven
Inside out can actually die in a hole
At least for enthusiast
It's good for cheapo headsets
dry tendon
i dont want to deal with stations and shit
astral haven
But the tracking precision and speed just isn't the same when it's all predicted from accelerometers
Yes
wintry cedar
i dont want to deal with stations and shit
Yes you do. Prop them up once and forget about them, and as a bonus you can use body tracking
and then yes accuracy
astral haven
But the flagships need lighthouses
Nah there are folks who don't want to deal with it at all
dry tendon
thing is, people who have used both say that the difference isnt massive with modern devices
but hand and finger tracking
like the index is great
wintry cedar
I know you'll want body tracking
astral haven
And I do think that a dmd and a few retroflective could get the best of outside in without being a pain
astral haven
thing is, people who have used both say that the difference isnt massive with mo...
The difference in precision is very problematic in many situations
astral haven
The amount of time it takes the inside out controllers to recalibrate after hitting something is really really really annoying
dry tendon
allow me to be a bit of a sardonic ass π but I wont trust your opinion on it π
Either way, IDK. At this point I will wait for the Index 2 if its indeed coming this year
astral haven
HTC costs more and is apparently worse, fuck them
Doesn't htc give you a pair for $200?
wintry cedar
I have 2 from my Index but I want 2 more
astral haven
allow me to be a bit of a sardonic ass π but I wont trust your opinion on it π...
Again opinion vs reality
wintry cedar
and no there won't be an Index 2 this year
astral haven
It takes close to quarter of a second to recover after like hitting your leg on the quest
I had my friend test with a bookcase but a leg isn't too different
dry tendon
Again opinion vs reality
Both are opinions. In one case, dumb gamers vs my own, in this case, yours vs some reviewers
astral haven
The index can recover in less than 1/10th of a second
What?
What moron of a reviewer would say inside out is more precise
dry tendon
I am reminding you of one of your responses to me during the Unreal 1 debate π
crisp granite
Both are opinions. In one case, dumb gamers vs my own, in this case, yours vs so...
woah, ad hominim bad
you can't do that
astral haven
I am reminding you of one of your responses to me during the Unreal 1 debate π
The problem is when you are conflating opinion and fact
crisp granite
it just makes you and your arguments look worse
dry tendon
I dont care for that Doge.
dry tendon
I am arrogant enough to not care for other people's opinions.
reef tundra
I think a hammer to the cranium will be an negative factor to my general health. But that is just my opinion
astral haven
And your opinion is valid
But your ignorance of fact is not
dry tendon
@astral haven In this case, every reviewer will agree that outside tracking is superior
in terms of precision
where the difference is if it matters much
astral haven
Yes?
dry tendon
that is where its your opinion
astral haven
Yes?
crisp granite
I think a hammer to the cranium will be an negative factor to my general health....
my opinion as well, and every doctor I've ever met likely shares that opinion
dry tendon
Good. Then we have an understanding
astral haven
It's my opinion that it is nescessary that at least the enthusiast grade retains the precision
reef tundra
So you agree with his opinion but somehow also dont.. odd
dry tendon
Plus I dont even think art is fully subjective
reef tundra
Cognitive dissonance is one hell of a thing
astral haven
And that the cheapo grade needs the cheapness that comes from using consumer grade cameras
dry tendon
I agree with the fact and do not know if I agree with the opinion since I dont have experience with both.
It isnt exactly hard to gasp as a concept
astral haven
So you agree with his opinion but somehow also dont.. <:thonk:568526682110296066...
Shoo pincus you arent paying attention
crisp granite
dry tendon
It's my opinion that it is nescessary that at least the enthusiast grade retains...
What if there is one enthusiast-level device that forgoes precision for ease of use?
Isnt that a fair compromise?
astral haven
And that the cheapo grade needs the cheapness that comes from using consumer gra...
Actually tbh this isn't an opinion, it's not financially possible to get base stations
astral haven
What if there is one enthusiast-level device that forgoes precision for ease of ...
That's not an enthusiast device, it's a luxury device
There's a big difference between the two
reef tundra
What if you just use a random number generator for ease of convenience
Broken clock is right twice a day
dry tendon
I dont think Enthusiast is a grade of hardware like how Nvidia and AMD marketing use them. Enthusiast means enthusiastic about hardware
astral haven
I need to get back to work tho this lunch break is getting very long
astral haven
I dont think Enthusiast is a grade of hardware like how Nvidia and AMD marketing...
I disagree
There is absolutely an enthusiast class of peripherals
The easy way to look is with car sim setups
dry tendon
I dont know those. I am Eastern European, I read the dictionary definition and tell marketing and politicians that that is reality, not their words π (or lies)
I hate the fact that 6900 XT and 3080 TI are "Enthusiast" hardware
meaningless term
they are just high-end
half the people with 6900 XT and 3090s are casuals
astral haven
Basically imo enthusiast means unnecessarily performant without the enterprise features to back it up
dry tendon
that just have a lot of money
crisp granite
half the people with 6900 XT and 3090s are casuals
*filthy casuals
dry tendon
that is high-end
reef tundra
How does the dictionary get their definitions?
dry tendon
Definitely not from Marketing departments I hope
Its all just a ploy to create an in-group feeling between high-end users and the companies
astral haven
Imo high end requires being noticeably better than the category before and you are paying disproportionately more
dry tendon
to foster a parasocial relationship
so that you would be willing to buy into it again
astral haven
Enthusiast imo means not noticeably better and you are paying disproportionally more
dry tendon
astral haven
The 6900xtx is an excellent example of that
It's actually a grand for 2ish% performance
crisp granite
look at the price to performance for gaming of the 3080, 3080Ti and 3090 and tell me the 3080ti and 90 are good value for money without knowing that statement is bullshit
I'll wait
wheat plume
https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/07/15/apple-employees-threaten-to-quit-as-c...
Bet it's cause they are paranoid af about their code being leaked
reef tundra
Bet it's cause they are paranoid af about their code being leaked
No, legal
dry tendon
The 6900xtx is an excellent example of that
6900 XTXH
IMHO 6900 XT should have been XTXH + 18gbps from the get go
astral haven
look at the price to performance for gaming of the 3080, 3080Ti and 3090 and tel...
I mean imo from 3070 to 3080 or ti makes sense
But 3080 or ti to 90 doesn't have any benefit for users
astral haven
6900 XTXH
IMHO 6900 XT should have been XTXH + 18gbps from the get go
But that's the difference between high end and enthusiast hardware
dry tendon
Both are high-end though
astral haven
The differences don't matter in reality
dry tendon
DOnt allow Marketing to defeat you dude
astral haven
You can think of enthusiast as a subset of high end
dry tendon
I think of Enthusiast as someone who is enthusiastic about hardware
SOmeone with an RX 560 can be an enthusiast
astral haven
Ok cool we aren't talking about people
crisp granite
I mean imo from 3070 to 3080 or ti makes sense
But 3080 or ti to 90 doesn't have...
I got the 3070 because it was pretty good value for money when I got it, but given the performance I really wanted, I should have sprung for a 3080
astral haven
SOmeone with an RX 560 can be an enthusiast
We are talking about hardware
dry tendon
I think 3070 and 3070 TI are more or less anihilated by the 6800
but 3080 and 6800 XT are both great
reef tundra
But they are terrible nvidia gpus
astral haven
6000 has it's issues
Apparently still haven't been fixed in all but the most common games
dry tendon
We are talking about hardware
But then you have a marketing term for high-end chips clashing with the term as its used in the language in genral. its illogical
astral haven
What?
dry tendon
IDK, my 6000 series works well
reef tundra
Cant even run the proprietary nvidia drivers 
astral haven
Imo enthusiast hardware means hardware impractical for anyone but enthusiasts
It's not luxury because it doesn't add ease of use
It's not budget because it's not cheap
Like
Enthusiast is a qualifier
There used to be cheap enthusiast hardware in the past
The cheap unlocked CPUs particularly
dry tendon
Well you have the term Enthusiast for people clashing with Enthusiast hardware, which makes no sense since both are the high-end chips (same ones as 3080 and 6800 XT). So hardware(engineering) and English definition are already not the same. Then you have the "nice" term for a whale basically as the term "Enthusiast tier buyer" pushed by marketing
IDK, we didnt have such BS in the past
this is a new development
before they juist said "high-end"
astral haven
π€·ββοΈ you are missing the point
dry tendon
Why did it change from High-end to enthusiast?
astral haven
High end low end mid end is performance tiers
Enthusiast is separate
There is high end and mid end enthusiast hardware
astral haven
Dude
dry tendon
3050 Ti will be low-end
wintry cedar
Who cares
reef tundra
Because you need more vram
dry tendon
I guess 3030 if it existed (i hope so) would be entry
dry tendon
I do not like surrendering words to marketing departments
astral haven
Charanco pls
dry tendon
I know it can be different tiers of performance
for example 3070 Ti is high -end but so is 3080
reef tundra
Then you will dislike how we define words in the first place
dry tendon
Then you will dislike how we define words in the first place
The day we allow marketing departments to dictate language is the day we need to allow people to go inside the companies and kill every single person in them IMHO
And i am serious
that is fucking scary
astral haven
...
dry tendon
No, English is my third language
reef tundra
Then how do we know what nvidia means? marketing invented that probably
dry tendon
Way back in 2004, ATI and Nvidia didnt use the term "Enthusiast" to refer to High-end parts
wintry cedar
No, English is my third language
second*
dry tendon
People used it to describe the PEOPLE who loved and cared for hardware
astral haven
The 7950gx2 wasn't high end
It was usually called unnecessary and enthusiast only
dry tendon
which is the definition of the word
dry tendon
Basically here is how it should be
High-end, Mid-range, Low-end, Entry
Enthusiast drops from the definitons fully. 3090 is high-end. a theoretical 10382567461237 USD GPU is still just high end
that to me makes sense
reef tundra
What if you sell the low end at a high price? does it become better?
astral haven
High end is irrelevant to if it is enthusiast or not
Marketing departments attach them together
dry tendon
In AMD marketing and NV marketing too, 6800 XT and 3080 are high-end. 3090 and 6900 XT are enthusiast.
that is a mistake. Both are high-end
*all 4
astral haven
Ok but that's your definitions being created by marketing lmao
astral haven
In AMD marketing and NV marketing too, 6800 XT and 3080 are high-end. 3090 and 6...
Then you are intentionally arguing something you don't believe here
I need to go
But uh
You are arguing against yourself
dry tendon
I am not but whatever
go and work
Make money before we all die miserable and alone no matter what we do π¦
astral haven
Hey I'm pretty happy I upgraded from my high end 3090 to my enthusiast 3090 lol
astral haven
Again arguing for Nvidias definitions...
reef tundra
But how do we know that low-end, mid-range, whatever are not made by marketing. We could have defined it as triangle and square.
astral haven
Imo the 3090 is a luxury gpu normally not a standard gpu
But the kingpin is an enthusiast card not a luxury one
dry tendon
That sounds weird to me
astral haven
6900xt is high end
Xtx is enthusiast
dry tendon
All GPUs are luxury products technically
astral haven
Yea that's the part you aren't understanding
This is many levels of categorization deep
Shoo pincus you aren't helping
reef tundra
They could use that to market the cards
reef tundra
Nah, they need people buying it up
astral haven
All GPUs are luxury products technically
The point is more the 3090 has no benefit over a 3080 outside of luxury situations like 8k and hdr
astral haven
Nah, they need people buying it up
Which they get by convincing people of simple things
reef tundra
Or by making them feel special
dry tendon
you guys have more trust on marketing departments than I do
reef tundra
marketing is the art of propaganda
dry tendon
its propaganda made to swindle you. They are never your friends, but rather your opponents
astral haven
you guys have more trust on marketing departments than I do
You don't seem to understand that you are the one accepting the marketing definitions here...
dry tendon
How? I am literally saying that when Marketing says "Well this is our Enthusiast class GPU" its a lie
or wrong
astral haven
That's fine
But that's not what you said earlier
dry tendon
but if they changed it to "this is our highest-end GPU" id agree with it
I literally said it should be High, mid, low, entry
IDK where I said otherwise
but if I did it was a mistake and I apologize for the confusion
reef tundra
If noone accept that diou9assd means something then marketing is wasting effort
astral haven
Why did it change from High-end to enthusiast?
....
astral haven
This entire time I've been trying to explain that enthusiast is separate
It's not related really
dry tendon
its a manipulation to build a parasocial relationship between you and the company
astral haven
its a manipulation to build a parasocial relationship between you and the compan...
Again using the marketing definition π€¦
astral haven
You need to stop thinking of the marketing definition
It's not about that
I'm talking about actual enthusiast hardware
Like for example a hotas setup
astral haven
Like for example a hotas setup
That is exclusively enthusiast hardware
dry tendon
But hardware is hardware. A real enthusiast would like a 1030 as much as a 3080 IMHO. At least I like the low-end stuff too
Hotas setup
whati s that
astral haven
Flight sim hardware
astral haven
Flight stick, pedals, throttle etc
dry tendon
I didnt know it had a term
astral haven
That's enthusiast hardware
astral haven
It's fine I'm at work lol
Like there is low end hotas gear
Stuff without force feedback or garbo
reef tundra
Valve doesnt do much to impede in user repairability. Standard tools, no serialised chips
astral haven
But it's all enthusiast hardware
dry tendon
IMHO I think of it like this
Lets imagine a yacht club or something. Rich people abound of course. Some of them may even actually love the yachts and shit. Fair enough. But dude in the yacht club who built his own big ass boat despite not being as rich is much more of an enthusiast than they are, IMHO
astral haven
A kingpin is enthusiast hardware
You have the switches to disable protections available
astral haven
IMHO I think of it like this
Lets imagine a yacht club or something. Rich people...
Luxury vs enthusaist
You could argue that the marketing definitions of enthusiast are actually the correct definitions for luxury
reef tundra
Sounds you got a problem with capitalism or its consequenses.
astral haven
Is say no since the word that marketing leaves out is "unnecessary"
astral haven
Sounds you got a problem with capitalism or its consequenses.
Capitalism doesn't require plutocracy
dry tendon
I dislike its consequences but I have made peace that life is shit and the world is shit and we humans deserve it all
at this point π¦
astral haven
Luxury goods must be unnecessary as per dictionary definition and marketing will never admit that
dry tendon
Well yeah, they must make it seems like you NEED it or else you are missing out
astral haven
Anyways point is there are enthusiast GPUs
Kingpin and ocl
Toxic might be?
Dunno yet
All of the xtxs are real close
wintry cedar
Well yeah, they must make it seems like you NEED it or else you are missing out
Did you obtain the 6900 XTXH? I forget
dry tendon
Nope
wintry cedar
if you did I was gonna rob you but leave you my 3090
dry tendon
All of the xtxs are real close
I agree but
https://tpucdn.com/review/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-oc-formula/images/relative-performance_3840-2160.png
technically there is a difference
though it is small
I imagine if TPU had a XTXH + 18gbps
wintry cedar
they are not distinguishable from one another
They are in at least one game I care about, probably more though
dry tendon
it would be 1-2% higher in speed
reef tundra
3090 is going to be a larger thing to flex than anything else
dry tendon
RDNA 2 really isnt impacted much by VRAM bandwidth
astral haven
technically there is a difference
The reference card is garbo cooling
dry tendon
EXCEPT for in RT
dry tendon
3090 is going to be a larger thing to flex than anything else <:thonk:5685266821...
TBH 6900 XT LC and 3090 LC = big flex
but LG OLED TV = bigger flex
wintry cedar
no, anyone can get an LG OLED TV
their prices went down, availability stayed the same
also remember your normal 6900 XT obliterated my 3090 in Crysis
astral haven
Nah
Anyone can just walk into Costco and grab an OLED lmao
reef tundra
Get a plasma
astral haven
also remember your normal 6900 XT obliterated my 3090 in Crysis
Crysis is heavily single threaded on the GPU side