and no binning on it as well
#๐โtech
old marlin
crimson wigeon
Higher is better tho
wheat plume
I guess so
wheat plume
How are apple users using the calculator more than facetime???
ashen spindle
because I use the calculator quite frequently and never have used facetime
idk people just use different stuff, don't see whats so weird about it
wheat plume
its just so high up like damn
pale sigil
its just so high up like damn
Also don't be cos there is no single calc app for android so it won't be on there, if it was it would prob be just as high
I mean Samsung calc alone lol
zenith sonnet
How are apple users using the calculator more than facetime???
Where does it say anything about using them?
It clearly says downloaded and preinstalled apps??
Oh, found it
wheat plume
Monthly active users
zenith sonnet
Using the calc once every month counts as much as using facetime every day
wheat plume
?
zenith sonnet
So, we don't actually know
wheat plume
?
zenith sonnet
It says nothing about which is used more...
pale sigil
Based on this it just means that you could only need tj open the app once
fair gull
ashen spindle
Very raid
wheat plume
vagrant pagoda
lol
wheat plume
:') not wrong
reef patrol
vagrant pagoda
vagrant pagoda
i know you can run adapters for m.2 to mpcie
so the slot supports it
but i dont think there was an actual drive
but ive been suprised before
i have seen with my own eyes a sata express ssd
astral haven
The other problem is bios support
astral haven
i have seen with my own eyes a sata express ssd
Have a pic?
vagrant pagoda
no
astral haven
I've never seen proof of one existing :/
vagrant pagoda
i have a pair of the sataexpress to m.2 adapteres in haswell rig
astral haven
Only u.2
But no native sata express
vagrant pagoda
it was a review sample unit he had gotten off ebay
was in video chat
didnt screenshot
vagrant pagoda
yeah
i have a extreme9
and it has a m.2 that shares with one sataexpress
and a dedicated sata express
astral haven
The problem is sata express is mechanically identical to u.2 so it's basically impossible to tell them apart :/
vagrant pagoda
so the best way to raid a pair of drives was dual sata express
astral haven
The problem is sata express is mechanically identical to u.2 so it's basically i...
I've got a u.2 drive
It's pretty pog
vagrant pagoda
i have one of the plx u.2 drives
its 4 m.2 in a u.2 with a plx chip
its a review unit
vagrant pagoda
nope
vagrant pagoda
it was a kingston prototype
that seeded some to server providers to test
and some got resold
its a 3.5 inch drive
astral haven
Plx is really not the best option for that
The asmedia chips are just so much cheaper
astral haven
When was this, 2015?
vagrant pagoda
you can get pex quad m.2 in x8 slot for $300 new
same as as the asmedias
they are good options for bulk storage on desktop chipsets
though i wish they had a 8 m.2 into x16
astral haven
I'm aware about the first one, I paid $220 for x16 to 8x4 :P
But then they increased prices :/
But no the asmedia can get you x4 to quad x2 for $150 in a retail product
Quad x4 to x8 for $160 in a chinesium thingey a few months ago
vagrant pagoda
yeah
no more plx for me these days
i dont keep bulk storage on my actual machines
astral haven
Me neither, all 3 nvmes on the plx are boot drives :P
This guy is where the rest of the storage goes
astral haven
Couldn't get it to bend properly from inside of the testbench
Slightly too sharp angle for the fiber
But yes
Jank
vagrant pagoda
you can get fiber 90s
astral haven
The case is facing the camera, it would have to do a 180 then a 90 up
The 180 is the problem
And uh
I'm gonna be using single mode os2 on a 56gbit link
vagrant pagoda
90 at the case and loop around
astral haven
I'm gonna be using single mode os2 on a 56gbit link
I'm definitely pushing it already
vagrant pagoda
luckily all mine is dac
astral haven
Find me a 50 foot dac :/
vagrant pagoda
qsfp+ is the same cable spec
astral haven
Wut
vagrant pagoda
its just 4 data lanes
astral haven
Wow
vagrant pagoda
qsfp56 is 200g
astral haven
56gb infiniband
astral haven
Yup
vagrant pagoda
there is sfp56 which is different
astral haven
Yup it's quad sfp 14 I think?
vagrant pagoda
56g infiniband is your issue then for dac cables
astral haven
Yup
astral haven
I ordered a pair of 100g transceivers and I'm hoping they will still work
vagrant pagoda
i only have 40g+10g
astral haven
Worst case I drop to 40g yea
vagrant pagoda
i have dual 40g to my main file server
single to my backup server
and the last to my main desktop
astral haven
Infiniband sounds so much cooler than ethernet
vagrant pagoda
everything else is 10g
other than the hassle
youre going to end up with ehternet over infiniband lol
astral haven
Actually I'm currently using ipoib
Not ethernet
Since it's direct attach
It's separate from my Ethernet network
God $25 for a pair of X3 pros and $55 for a pair of 100g tranceivers
What an insane deal
vagrant pagoda
dosent ipoib still have tons of cpu usage?
astral haven
I ended up spending more on adapters than the actual important bits
astral haven
dosent ipoib still have tons of cpu usage?
Lmao no
Server sees a max of 10% on the highest core
It's just slow without rdma (which I'm trying not to fork out $200 to Microsoft for)
vagrant pagoda
for smb?
vagrant pagoda
samba dose it
astral haven
Only keys I have that support it are server 2016 :/
And I'm not dailying 2016 in 2021
Samba ain't windows
Hosting ain't the problem
Receiving is
astral haven
You can't use samba as the client on windows
For 56gbib to work you basically need rdma, and windows 10 pro for workstations is the only native windows implementation
I'm trying to max out my pile of 2.4GB/s drives on my server
Which I could just pay Microsoft for and have it work
But I don't want to :/
vagrant pagoda
normal pro has it
astral haven
Nope
vagrant pagoda
100%
astral haven
Show me
Network transfer that doesn't appear in task manager
Or
What are you using to mount the drive
vagrant pagoda
astral haven
Show me it working
Cause I did that too
But I'm limited to around 800MB/s
And it shows up in task manager
Rdma bypasses the windows networking stack
astral haven
Yea
vagrant pagoda
atelast as far as explorere cares
astral haven
And if you do that on windows 10 pro it doesn't use rdma
astral haven
๐คทโโ๏ธ I was using crystaldiskmark
astral haven
Show me task manager
vagrant pagoda
are the cards the same and firmware
astral haven
Ion
Rdma is strange
Show me task manager during a transfer
And yes Linux is faster if you aren't using rdma
vagrant pagoda
you get shit for iops without rdma
astral haven
Yup
vagrant pagoda
which is why you dont want to use windows copy to test it
it will never show the difference
astral haven
I wanna see task manager
vagrant pagoda
have you tried MS's rdma test?
astral haven
I tried the commands and they all confirm my adapter supports rdma, and that I can't use it
Show me task manager
Or if you want resource monitor
Either way
If it works for you I might have to use Linux on my server :/
vagrant pagoda
why wouldnt you lol
astral haven
Cause It took about 10 minutes to configure server 2016
It's not possible that I could get Linux configured in that time
I have such a stupid amount of jank hardware :/
vagrant pagoda
is solaris on there?
astral haven
Don't see it
Apparently there's a separate hardware revision for oracle?
Ooh a review says it does Solaris 10 or 11
Found a Solaris 10 driver
Would that even work in 2021?
vagrant pagoda
im telling you
astral haven
No it's not supported
vagrant pagoda
try it
vagrant pagoda
im not the one using deadend hardware
astral haven
Works great in windows :P
Also some of us aren't made of money
I'd bet all the hardware I added on to this system to make it a server cost less than just your nics
Besides you literally can't buy an SSD with specs like these any more
astral haven
And no I'm not getting 2.4tb of optane
Ah
Well that's p cool
But what about storage
You can't get 2.4tb at 22pbw endurance under a grand
And this was $220
vagrant pagoda
who cares about endurance if it has no warrenty
astral haven
What use is a warranty if you are going to burn through it anyways
And id prefer enterprise hardware with built in error correction over consumer garbage
astral haven
Lmao no it's not
Block level error checking I mean
The only device even close is the Seagate crypto ssd
And uh
No thanks
22pbw endurance...
astral haven
As long as the nand is alive it's gonna be fine
vagrant pagoda
lol
what do you need that has to even need close to that kind of uptime?
you only have one
so its moot anyway
astral haven
Not uptime
Durability
I also want to be able to turn off the server and come back to it and have all my data in 10 years
And no, hdds don't count, I live in earthquake land
Also buying a hdd and an SSD would be more expensive
astral haven
I'm not buying optane
Actually that's not true
I'm not buying storage quantities of optane
vagrant pagoda
haivng a power off life longer than days should never been a requirement for hot storage lol
astral haven
Mlc power off time is longer than hdds according to dod
And optane is theoretically fully stable
At least emlc
And uh this is emlc
And no I'm not getting a Blu-ray library as my data storage
I very much care about responsiveness
astral haven
Man I really wish some of the enterprise folks used slc these days
I don't want to raid a hundred nanoscopic drives, I want a big plank of slc in this style
This drive makes me so very sad
NetApp ontap 9 exclusive
astral haven
2tb of 20k cycle mlc
Beautiful pcb
Most likely 16 channels so easily saturating pcie 2x8
crisp granite
true
more space in a given form factor, at a lower price
can never argue with the value proposition
astral haven
I mean you can
Afr of the 660p is around 45%
That's the only mass deployed qlc SSD that I'm aware of
And uh
45% is horrifying
10% drives remaining after 2 years
crisp granite
...
yeah, that's just...no
that's mostly OEM fodder, though, no?
mmm, spinning rust, loves sudden drops
astral haven
The 760ps it replaced were sub 1%
crisp granite
๐ฌ
astral haven
My 12tb drive started erroring after only a year and a half
But yeah the problem with qlc is that after a year and a half you already will need to refresh your disk
And no consumer drives that I'm aware of do it automatically
(and if they did I'd be very concerned since qlc can only withstand a few hundred writes per cell...)
Tlc is fine for most consumer devices
But qlc is just
Nah
reef patrol
I doubt my 4TB QLC will ever manage to be worn before it is horribly outdated ๐
astral haven
I doubt my 4TB QLC will ever manage to be worn before it is horribly outdated ๐
Problem is both factors
Auto refresh would kill the drive if you aren't careful
Not auto refreshing the data would be corrupted in a year
fickle ore
360$ for P4800X 375GB a good or bad deal?
astral haven
That's the normal price
Optane is $1/gb m.2 is $1.5/tb
Do not get an es optane for over $1/gb
astral haven
No official endurance rating
It's fine just don't pay over market price for a consumer drive even tho it's a dc drive
fickle ore
alright
astral haven
That's better than it used to be?
old marlin
how are raspberrys this bad
tried booting from an SSD
now it is checking the disk for 30 minutes
wheat plume
Checking the disk is at the OS level
A lot of Ubuntu based distros do that
Dont blame the Pi for that one xd
(Also it happens pretty fast on good drives anyway..... SD cards are slow)
old marlin
Dont blame the Pi for that one xd
both are made by the same company
and it is the hardware not allowing me to seamlessly boot from a media designed to be booted from
wheat plume
oh?
old marlin
like an SD card
they die waaaay too qickly
since they just were not made for that kind of application
wheat plume
I think you need a certain type of SD card?
old marlin
there is no certain type
like yea there are classifications
but they don't change much about the actual design of the flash
they aren't made to be constantly rewritten
so depending on the application them lasting half a year is good mileage
wheat plume
o.o
old marlin
the one I am currently trying to set up lasts longer
wheat plume
I assume they last a lot longer in regular usage for things like storage in cameras and switches? XD
old marlin
but I wanted to use it as a test plattform to see how well it will work
old marlin
I assume they last a lot longer in regular usage for things like storage in came...
well yea, they don't constantly read and write from those
wheat plume
They do on Switch if your game is stored on it :P
old marlin
?
not really
most games don't save permanently
even if they do they could just write that on the internal memory
and then have an even to push it on the SD card when the game is closed
wheat plume
oh hm
old marlin
a cheap af SSD is 18โฌ for 120gb
there is no reason to use an SD card over it
other than not wanting to change
thick elk
I find that for a lot of use cases on a pi a sd-card is the better option.
Lifespan is only an issue with a lot of writers really and micro-sd's have a smaller footprint.
Often the performance is not really that important anyway.
wheat plume
18...wot
old marlin
I find that for a lot of use cases on a pi a sd-card is the better option.
Lifes...
you can get a Sata M.2 drive for exactly the same price as a 2.5" one
that takes like 3mm on the back of the pi
if they had a port for it onboard
thick elk
if they had a port yes but adding the port would add cost and for a lot of use cases the benefits of a ssd are of little value.
old marlin
a single m.2 sata port can't be that much more expensive than an SD card
thick elk
maybe, still board space would come at a premium and it would still take significantly more effort to swap them.
It's not just the connector and screw but also some extra electronics to drive it.
Maybe if they introduce a larger model-d
wheat plume
๐ค Vivo are making a patent for a phone with a drone built into it....
old marlin
maybe, still board space would come at a premium and it would still take signifi...
there is almost nothing on the back side
they could fit 2 of them there if they wanted to
if not more
wheat plume
Window management on iPadOS 15 is pretty damn impressive
fickle ore
LF ideas for keyboard tray
young pecan
Hmm. Anyone got an idea on an IOS tweak to prevent apps from taking volume control and turning down other stuff?
Essentially a multi app mixer for IOS.
Been looking and I canโt find one. :/
astral haven
<@!126850798666645504> Would you trust "open box" 905p?
Sure
chrome estuary
gpu came in
downloading latest drivers before installing
i'm a little worried cause I don't remember if my 1080 needed 1 8pin or 2 cause the 3070ti requires 2
and i don't have a fucking clue where my other 8pin cables would be
empty wren
@wheat plume
chrome estuary
alrighty well it's running good
maxed out RTX Cyberpunk 2077 1440p runs about 60fps average even in a fight in the city
wheat plume
<@361968952592826378>
Oo??
empty wren
Finally Google is putting that data to use
wheat plume
Ooo
empty wren
Also unpopular opinion: 90hz or higher on phones is a waste.
wheat plume
I haven't used anything higher than 60 so far
chrome estuary
i have, it's not all that special tbh
wheat plume
I keep forgetting this menu exists....
wheat plume
;')
wheat plume
crisp granite
the screen improvements and ethernet port are "nice to haves" but it's not a gamechanger that would justify purchasing the OLED model over the standard imo
shadow minnow
Tbh If I wanted to buy a switch, OLED itself maybe would be enough for me to go for the OLED model. Question also is, how much more does it cost
crisp granite
...
wheat plume
$20 more I think
crisp granite
I just want a fucking switch that doesn't run like a PC from 10 years ago
mkay, thanks, good talk
shadow minnow
$20 more I think
Thatโs sounds quite good to me considering the improvements tbh.
wheat plume
I think it's the same price as a current Switch + game bundle
vagrant pagoda
Or
Atleast a shield that has non game apps
Like they could of easily doubled ram for the sole purpose of allowing native voice chat
crisp granite
hm
idk, I'd just want a better SoC
something that doesn't suck donkey balls
:P
wheat plume
Oh...
vagrant pagoda
I mean is there a arm aoc with more gpu grunt than a tegra?
chrome estuary
Fiio makes "pmp" and "dap" interchangable with their M series
like the super nice 1500$ (or maybe 2500$ I can't remember) one
heh
shadow minnow
I mean is there a arm aoc with more gpu grunt than a tegra?
M1 quite likely
wheat plume
What about in graphics?
shadow minnow
What about in graphics?
Should be more powerful afaik
Not entirely sure but at least think so. Canโt find really accurate performance data about switch but at least from what is said about Tflops, which is not the best unit to measure by but still
wheat plume
Oh
shadow minnow
Yeah, Tflops look to be lot in favor of m1. Not that surprising tbh considering itโs much never and 5nm
vagrant pagoda
Switch is the same as a shield
Tons of info on the shield
The new switch is same soc but die srink
OLED has the same
shadow minnow
Sounds pretty bad tbh. Considering that arm architectures have improved quite a lot in all the years, with especially M1 as example.
young pecan
Yโknow actually...
Switch dock thatโs also an external GPU for proper 4k gameplay.
Iโd buy it.
shadow minnow
Question is how far could the CPU get you
young pecan
Isnโt the new one like 8 core or something?
young pecan
Yeah, I can see it being GPU bound.
shadow minnow
Yeah but the frequencies and stuff are very low. It is most likely GPU bound now, but with eGPU it could very likely become cpu bound
young pecan
New switch, tho.
vagrant pagoda
It wouldn't hit cpu any harder
Adding bigger textures could bottleneck storage
But not really cpu
shadow minnow
Would have some impact most likely, but true, maybe not that much.
Still, definitely think Nintendo could have included better SoC tbh
vagrant pagoda
There isn't one to include
Apple isn't going to sell m1s
And there isn't anything else with a better soc
Better CPUs yeah
But the x1 is like 256 Maxwell cuda cores
shadow minnow
Apple not, but at least newest gen Qualcomm socs also pretty likely have more performance
vagrant pagoda
It's dumb powerful for a arm
shadow minnow
And well, Nintendo is a company that could maybe even look into to some extend custom soc
shadow minnow
I mean, Most likely not fully custom, but in collaboration
vagrant pagoda
But not a ground up
shadow minnow
^
vagrant pagoda
Look at MS and Sony
They have amd off the shelf socs
With custom clocks and GPU counts
young pecan
Has anyone made CPU accelerators yet that work with Thunderbolt?
I see zero reason you couldn't make a CPU accelerator.
shadow minnow
I mean, I think that Nintendo could at least get a custom Qualcomm soc, maybe with more GPU cores or sth.
vagrant pagoda
Has anyone made CPU accelerators yet that work with Thunderbolt?
I mean you can install a phi
vagrant pagoda
I mean, I think that Nintendo could at least get a custom Qualcomm soc, maybe wi...
Lmao the super old jank ass gcn cores Qualcomm has will never be that good
Wait
I think they are pre gcn
young pecan
'Cause like... PCI-E hotswap exists already, so why not have dGPU/CPU accelerator on the dock itself?
shadow minnow
I mean, itโs not the best, but better than current, and I donโt think they would convince Apple to give them M1s or A14s for switches 
young pecan
Oh no, RAM.
sWaP iT OuT
Even if it's stuck on there Ninty could simply just start sticking bigger ones on there.
reef tundra
No, ram it in
The fuck?
young pecan
Actually off me.
latent mural
hello
i need help setting up double movement on fort
fornite
can someone help me
pls
reef tundra
He might be drunk or something
vagrant pagoda
Possible that there's a dye shrink as well with the OLED
vagrant pagoda
young pecan
...
latent mural
Good News everyone: Panasonic's new high-end Oled TV lineup kicks every other TVs butts.
Picture quality, SDR/HDR-sustained or peak-brightness, 99 % P3 color gamut reached, the AI processing, motion handling, input lag etcetera -
just the whole package: the best TV out right now.
The JZ1000/1500 (same TV, different model name depending on country) 55 inch version costs only 2000 โฌ.
Same as Sony's A90J but overall better.
The JZ2000 got a very very slightly overall better PQ to more panel calibration, but the price is so high (3000 โฌ)
also due to the better sound system.
The 48 inch version JZ1000/1500 sadly has no master oled panel and metal cooling backplate, so sustained-peak-brightness in all modes should drop by at least 20 %.
Still better than anything the LG CX/C1 is offering.
astral haven
bois i did it
faster than 10 gig finally
all this horrific amounts of money is finally yielding results
god i really dont want to buy win 10 for workstations tho :/
crimson wigeon
Effort
ashen spindle
yeah most likely on the 5900x and 5950x
then again, wouldn't make sense to throw them away if one die is not good enough after placing them on the chip
so maybe low volume on lower end versions that are just leftovers?
astral haven
There was a 2ccd 5800x
ashen spindle
yeah and I think I have a 2 ccd 5600x
but just because they can salvage them doesn't mean they want to introduce even more V cache skus ๐
astral haven
It'll basically tell us yields
astral haven
yeah and I think I have a 2 ccd 5600x
Ooh
You have both cc'd temps in hwinfo?
ashen spindle
no it just shows the one I have as CCD2
astral haven
Ah
ashen spindle
didnt quite remember if it would show both or just second if it has 2
astral haven
Yea that happens
ashen spindle
I guess depending on how they cut it off it could be either way
ashen spindle
but also, if they can disable the 3d cache they might just turn bad chips into regular 56/5800x versions
astral haven
Yup
astral haven
The cache won't meaningfully change the profits on any chip over $300
ashen spindle
on a per chip bases you're right. But if it is good enough to get people who'd otherwise just get a 5600/5800 to buy a more expensive one, it could change profits
astral haven
I suspect there will be at least a $30 premium for cache on a single ccd and double that for a 2ccd, that is already 70% of the silicon costs of the entire CPU...
Cache and all
Basically if you pay more than like $20 it will be a positive for amd
ashen spindle
and they are still a company, if the yield is good enough to barely have any defects from it, having more people pay a higher premium, earnings calls will look even better ๐
astral haven
That definitely doesn't hurt
ashen spindle
after all the current stock price already is expecting them to beat guidelines, so gotta do even better for it to grow
astral haven
What I really want tho is and to integrate a heat exchanger using that bonding tech
If you could actually cool these CPUs you could clock these so much higher
ashen spindle
I like the idea, but I feel like it's too hard for the pay off
as you'd need to basically bond it on 3 ( or 2 if you ignore perfect IO die connection) chips at the same time, that could differ in height etc.
ashen spindle
or what did you mean with heat exchanger?
ah I thought you meant putting the IHS on it lol
astral haven
Nah
Inside the silicon throw a bit of fluid, some channels, and some mems devices
6ghz CPU hype
Oh my god you might be able to fit a full stage in there
That would be pog
ashen spindle
next gen intel HEDT chip they show off will be a 1-of sample of that with a phase changer hidden behind the stage to reach 4ghz again on 50 cores or so 
astral haven
Nah, Intel is the one with the microfluidics patent
fickle ore
I need to check if I have 2 ccd 5800x but the chances are very low ๐
astral haven
It's really easy to check, run aida64
ashen spindle
Nah, Intel is the one with the microfluidics patent
do you mean amd, or why can't intel use intel patents?
astral haven
If your write is over 2/3 of your read, it's a 2 ccd
astral haven
next gen intel HEDT chip they show off will be a 1-of sample of that with a phas...
Talking about this
ashen spindle
yeah I dont get your point then lol
astral haven
Cool the CPU better and it won't use as much heat
ashen spindle
yes
fickle ore
those within silicon fluid cooling patents are old.. one day...
ashen spindle
oh, no I just meant to poke fun at intel because they tried to hide the fact that they had to use a chiller for that demo and acted like it was on air or water
fickle ore
Intel should've leveraged those XD
ashen spindle
so next time they were to make a secret 1 of chip for better cooling and retail wouldn't have it ๐
young pecan
Remember that chiller was also super badly disguised?
astral haven
It wasn't disguised lol
young pecan
Like it was clearly a chiller and their official statement was 'Oh well we can't tell you what it is.'
astral haven
It was just
Under a table
young pecan
Iirc it was under a table, that was also covered from view?
Or was that a different piece of classic Intel shenanigans?
astral haven
Yup
Under a table with a tablecloth
fickle ore
@astral haven just says trial version
astral haven
1s
astral haven
Aww they removed it
You used to be able to Google search an Aida key
astral haven
memory latency is bollocks wtf
What's it at?
fickle ore
I think I was closer to 60ns last time
fickle ore
wdym, zen 3 should get close to 53 ns? 60 should be quite average
or maybe im remembering wrong
fickle ore
@ashen spindle run that tool
ashen spindle
after work
astral haven
Even Intel doesn't go that low without minor effort
fickle ore
I had to go eco mode (65w) and lower my fclk/memory timings due to summer ๐ฆ
29.7*c inside lol
astral haven
Oof
But yeah my 5950x does 85 at jdec and 75 at xmp
Only managed to get it to 71 so far manually :/
And BTW c16 may be faster than c15
Flat 16s that is
fickle ore
y?
fickle ore
Well I'm in GDM 15-15-15
astral haven
That's not possible
Gdm only allows even timings
It says right there that you are running cr2
And gdm is cr1 only
fickle ore
uff
astral haven
Run zentimings
astral haven
Lmao you ain't posting 32gb on 1t gdm off
fickle ore
oh nice, got lucky
astral haven
Cause the tomahawk isn't smd dimms
fickle ore
Think mine does 2000 FCLK with ease
astral haven
Is it?
Yea the tomahawk does 2k
All cpus do 2k but it depends on the board if you can run it
fickle ore
ah
fickle ore
Would it be better if I go put GDM and cr1
astral haven
Extremely likely
fickle ore
15-15-15 or 16-16-16?
astral haven
Unless you have carefully tuned your timings
astral haven
Has to be flat 16s, all timings must be even
fickle ore
on default its 1.15v lol
astral haven
Guess your board is type 2
astral haven
Type 1 won't post
Type 2 posts but lies about timings
Type 3 posts and corrects the timings
Mine is type 3
Guess yours is type 2
Or did you set c15 in bios?
fickle ore
I set GDM = enabled, and it put first timing to 16 from 15, and others I set manually to 15-15-35
astral haven
Ah
fickle ore
much better
astral haven
Hunh
fickle ore
check latency
fickle ore
Summer and room heating to unbearable and CPU tempts going to 70c ;/
astral haven
70c is idle temps on stock cooler for the 5600x
fickle ore
lol
fickle ore
ECO MODE 65W rocks
astral haven
I guess maybe a 1ccd CPU can handle eco mode without stuttering like mad?
fickle ore
No idea. I hope mine is 1ccd, is it?
astral haven
I guess I should say 8c
Show hwinfo
If it says ccd 0 temp ccd 1 temp it's dual ccd
fickle ore
I think we both checked with Quintosh when we got our CPU's, but I can't remember anymore lol
dual ccd? :I
steep lily
@fickle ore do you know where i can buy chinise video cards?
wheat plume
my scatter plot failed......
I have two arrays, one for x axis and one for y and a third array for the color of each marker
I swapped x and y axis variables and same thing but sideways.....Maybe it is plotting the data correctly?!
crimson wigeon
probably that one rogue 1000 value skewing it
wheat plume
thats actually 999 according to the max value of the column its meant to represent
every other value in the column is between 0 and 40
and then you have one thats 999 for some reason
steep lily
python?
wheat plume
O.o
ArcaneOS
dafuq
ArcaneOS lacked Google Mobile Services (and hence didnโt have the Play Store) and hid the ability to turn on Developer Options
Pretty sure criminals would realise this and think something strange is happening
vagrant pagoda
> ArcaneOS lacked Google Mobile Services (and hence didnโt have the Play Store) ...
The fbi marketed them as secure, you had to reboot them with a special pin to access the "secure" apps
wheat plume
You know how matplotlib can map scatter plots to a range of values and color them accordingly?
how do I display this as a legend for the chart?
like yellow = 10-20, blue = 30 - 40, etc
cause this didnt work but almost there perhaps
ashen spindle
@astral haven either you saw this and thats how you mentioned the idea, or the article might be something you want to read https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1413445489442234374
steep lily
can you send the py file? i m just curious.
wheat plume
nope ;-;
well, its 3 arrays made from different columns of a dataframe I made
and each one is x, y and color of the scatter plot
steep lily
replace the data by what you want.
I just want to see how the ploting works
wheat plume
wheat plume
This is what I want but with the actual data
Trying it with the actual data gives this error
steep lily
am on windows, can t figure out how to install pywintypes...
steep lily
wheat plume
pip install pywin32
steep lily
wheat plume
then you have it?
wheat plume
not rn
crimson wigeon
You also ought to install a newer Python.. ideally get it from the MS Store!
wheat plume
Ew
My test file is just using matplotlib
you can remove the other import lines
That may let it run for you
steep lily
thx ^^
misty saffron
maybe windows needs to be restarted?
what the fuck man
wheat plume
never heard of this python shell program
I have this thing when I type "python" into search
steep lily
i used to learned about python on linux, but i m lost on windows
on windows i use idle
crimson wigeon
Windows is just a pain in general for this kind of thing
wheat plume
yeah, Id use Linux too but my supervisor is on windows and the last script he gave me would not work correctly when I tried it on Linux :/
so I had to use Windows
misty saffron
yeah and comic sans doesn't bother you
crimson wigeon
You need that comic relief to survive Python
steep lily
i was looking for something usable on windows, like on linux.
I don t care about the font
misty saffron
is it the time of the day to complain about windows
reef patrol
steep lily
that change about complaining about wooting delays
wheat plume
is it the time of the day to complain about windows
I like the new action center, notifications, icons and sounds from Windows 11 :D
steep lily
those 2 types of copmplaints are reccurent
windos is a pain in the ass for codeing, and wooting is constantly late.
wheat plume
Im happy with my Wooting 2 :P
steep lily
don t pre order a waiting too HE, stay with your wooting 2 ^^
misty saffron
i don't like the enforced hvci in windows 11
wheat plume
the wat?
misty saffron
hypervisor-protected code integrity
misty saffron
harder to load an unsigned driver
wheat plume
oooohhhhhh
Im worried I wont be able to dual boot once 11 releases
Cause it requires secure boot
misty saffron
for now you can literally just disable virtualization so the hypervisor doesn't load
i wonder what they'll do in release builds
not boot if virtualization isn't supported??
vagrant pagoda
I never understood why they would want to push the security limits of hypervisors like that
wheat plume
Cant wait for the massive amount of people reluctantly buying new computers because the PC health check app told them their current one cant run Windows 11
reef patrol
๐
wheat plume
It said my new computer isnt able to, with a fucking GTX 1660 and Ryzen 5 3600
reef patrol
Here's hoping Microsoft fixes that and does more "annoying" popups about free upgrades. Before people it launches.
reef patrol
Hence "fixes that" ๐
wheat plume
IDk if they care enough, they just want new computer sold
reef patrol
Microsoft wants Windows 11 on as many machines as possible. The vast majority of adoption is pre-existing machines.
wheat plume
I fixed it myself by enabling fTPM in BIOS and reran the check, THEN it told me I CAN run Windows 11
But the average person is not going to know that they must enable something in BIOS or if their CPU supports it
crimson wigeon
The average person is going to use a prebuilt where it's all properly configured as per MS' requirements from the factory
reef patrol
That's what I mean - The tool needs to read the motherboard/CPU combo and read it properly. Like the third party tool ๐
shadow minnow
I never understood why they would want to push the security limits of hypervisor...
The TPM may have other reason too. OS level DRM enforcement
wheat plume
That's what I mean - The tool needs to read the motherboard/CPU combo and read i...
If they gave the app give proper error messages that told you exactly what went wrong, then more people could fix it and therefor not need to buy a new computer, hence, less money for MS from people thinking they need to upgrade their computer
reef patrol
Naw - Your average consumer wouldn't be able to.
misty saffron
a
wheat plume
like gamers and developers or anyone interested enough
misty saffron
b
pale sigil
c
wheat plume
d
pale sigil
e
ashen spindle
If they gave the app give proper error messages that told you exactly what went ...
you do realize microsoft does not make a dime on people buying new hardware?
wheat plume
Yeah they do
the windows key
They also direct you to the windows store to buy them from there
ashen spindle
.. tell me how many people are going to buy a pre built after having a non-pre built where TPM is not active by default
doubt they care about those 10 people
wheat plume
idk, even on computers you build yourself, TPM is not on byt default so those people will also be told they need to get a new cojmputer
like me
This is custom built but I was told id need a new one by that app
ashen spindle
yes that is what I just said, on a non- prebuilt, tpm is not active by default
and the only way MS would make money from it, if you now go and buy a pre-built that has windows installed already
wheat plume
and the only way MS would make money from it, if you now go and buy a pre-built ...
yeah, I said that part
ashen spindle
would you buy a pre built pc now that you have a custom pc?
wheat plume
nu
ashen spindle
so MS would not make money from you
ashen spindle
yes, but again, do you think anyone who sees this on their custom built pc
would then go and buy a pre built?
wheat plume
no
ashen spindle
so then MS would not make money
wheat plume
All prebuilts have TPM enabled by default?
ashen spindle
all? probably not
but very many or most, vs 0 on the custom built pc's
- you can see they dont care about windows license money given you can just use unactivated windows forever
crimson wigeon
But with the watermark of shame
ashen spindle
well yesn't
it's not always there, sometimes it just takes an hour or more to first appear lmao
and if I play a game in 16:9 the watermarks is on the black rand on my 21:9 screen so it doesnt cover anything anyway 
astral haven
all? probably not
It's required to be windows 10 compatible
ashen spindle
..yes?
how does that tell me if all pre builts have it on by default or not currently?
nvm I read that as 11 lmao
so there we go
wheat plume
My friend hasnt activated his windows for almost 6 years
ashen spindle
so yes people are buying TPM modules when its not needed, but nobody is buying a new pc for it
aka MS makes 0$ from having it not tell you what it needs for 11
astral haven
Anyone who bought a computer that is win 10 compatible is also won 11 compatible
wheat plume
Anyone who bought a computer that is win 10 compatible is also won 11 compatible
My laptop isnt compatible with 11
astral haven
And uh
I'd you didn't, that's on you
pale sigil
Mine isn't either
astral haven
Did your laptop advertise win 10 compatibility?
astral haven
No
pale sigil
I think he means when it comes pre installed with 7
astral haven
I mean does it have the windows 10 compatible sticker
pale sigil
But advertises 10 compat
wheat plume
idk man, I took the stickers off the next day I got it
astral haven
Usually it's on the product bix
pale sigil
The tramp stamps
astral haven
All of Skylake and above do...
wheat plume
O.o
astral haven
Disabled in bios?
astral haven
Dunno
ashen spindle
if it's an OEM pc they also already said there will be options to have windows images that don't need tpm2.0
astral haven
Secure boot?
wheat plume
Secure Boot != TPM
ashen spindle
so I could see that for any laptop that has some weird bios settings to get an update or get one of these images
astral haven
Secure boot does require a tpm yes
astral haven
whats the option called on Dell bios?
It might be called SGX?
ashen spindle
well looks like it has what it needs then
wheat plume
might be 1.2 not 2
wheat plume
I dont have windows on my laptop
I installed Windows 11 via Dev ring of the Insider program, used it for 2 days and went back to Linux
astral haven
If you installed it through dev ring it was officially supported
It doesn't let you install it without a tpm
wheat plume
The WIP settings told me my laptop isnt supported by 11, and I will be downgraded to 10 upon release of 11
and I can get dev builds until then
astral haven
Well no, that's not what it said
astral haven
It said "You MAY be"
Not "You will be"
wheat plume
oh?
astral haven
It's a dumb cya strategy by Microsoft
They have a whitelist of cpus, if your CPU isn't on it you get that message
But there's nothing in the windows installer that checks what CPU you have lol
zenith sonnet
But yeah my 5950x does 85 at jdec and 75 at xmp
That's also pretty damn high, even my 3700X was a lot lower ๐ฎ
astral haven
At jdec and xmp?
zenith sonnet
I think this might be XMP, even though it says 2600 there
astral haven
There's something busted there since that's not 2600
astral haven
Yea so you probably need to update aida64
astral haven
Oh rip lol
zenith sonnet
I hate this garbage
astral haven
Use a version that is between the two...
But yeah each cpu requires a different test to actually check latency
zenith sonnet
There's two inbetween versions. Lets see...
Latency went up 2.5ns because of downloads :p
astral haven
Well no
The latency of a test where it can't id your CPU does not count
It's like using Intel mlc on amd
Sure the test isn't incorrect but it also means nothing
zenith sonnet
Surprisingly
I get the same latency in 6.25 as in 6.33
But read/write/copy are higher, and L3 cache is way off
astral haven
L3 cache is extremely variable
harsh terrace
Quick tech question: I am installing AIO in my system and am unsure if i can safely plug fans into a connector on my Mobo
My AIO has 2 fans and a splitter cable, so i can use one connector for them. My Mobo has something called W_PUMP+ connector that runs at 3x the voltage of normal fan connector (36V 3A as opposed to 12V 1A). Now, can i safely plug two fans in it? They would in theory receive 50% more of their regular voltage
astral haven
No
Pump is 12v
And no
Fans get connected in parallel
So the voltage to all fans on one connector is the same
harsh terrace
Pump is connected to AIO_PUMP at 12V 1A, i never asked about the pump
Only about splitting two fans
astral haven
W_pump is 12v
reef patrol
The real question is - What is the pump like?
astral haven
36w
reef patrol
Single cable? two cables? three?
zenith sonnet
astral haven
Single cable? two cables? three?
This
harsh terrace
Well, watts
reef patrol
Some AIOs has a single cable for the pump, and then separate one(s) for fans. Others use a single cable and an internal splitter.
harsh terrace
The pump is Kraken X53 and uses 3pin header for 12W 1A connection
It also has a sata connection but that's for lighting i suppose
Fans are like regular chassis fans, both with a 4pin connector
reef patrol
Right ... so the X53 has a pump cable, Plug that into the WPUMP header.
Plug the fans into the CPU header.
SATA into SATA and USB into a USB2 header.
astral haven
W_pump is really only needed for custom loops
A d5 does want more than an amp
Aio is fine
harsh terrace
Though both the Mobo manual and the AIO manuals state that the pump must be connected to either AIO_PUMP or CPU_FAN
astral haven
That's what they say
Because you can't really control a pump through pwm
At least not PC ones
And Asus will certainly try
reef patrol
W_pump is really only needed for custom loops
A d5 does want more than an amp
You have it, use it ๐
astral haven
Aio is sufficient for an aio
reef patrol
WPUMP ... IS the AIO header ๐
astral haven
You can attach fans to the pump header with a splitter yes
reef patrol
... what? Literally what ๐
astral haven
It's not
reef patrol
You need PWM on the fans.
astral haven
The header supports pwm, it's just disabled by default
reef patrol
Oh ffs :S