🔌│tech

[wheat plume]

Sincve Windows 11 supports Android apps

Will TikTok be preinstalled?

[reef patrol]

[crisp granite]

[ashen spindle]

you do know microsoft dont own that?

[wheat plume]

I know

but they dont own half the shit they preinstall

[crisp granite]

I just hope it comes with a forza horizon 5 demo preinstalled

[wheat plume]

Netflix, candy crush, facebook

[crisp granite]

[misty saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKQ_HX9_WJQ

fuck live rips

DO NOT PITCH UP FASTER TRACKS

KEEP THE PITCH LOCK ON WHEN DJING PLEASE

[fickle ore]

that's odd, why specify 1 TB or higher?

[crimson wigeon]

Ask MS

[fickle ore]

DX12 ultimate GPU, that's weird too

[wheat plume]

wtf is a DX12 Ultimate GPU?

Do you need an RTX or some shit?

[ashen spindle]

no

its dx12_2

why would microsoft feature require a nvidia card

[cursive summit]

Afaik all DX12 cards support Ultimate, no?

[fickle ore]

probably some feature in the dx12_2 that leverages decompression/compression on the gpu side

so they wanted to arbitrarily limit below that, so it would look better for MS

[ashen spindle]

yes but that's normal since new features need new hardware, but rtx is an nvidia brand thats not related

12U is supported on turing and up and navi2x and up iirc

[crisp granite]

ok, that is cool

but...

I'll believe it's a game changer when it actually is in a product

[ashen spindle]

??? it's like over a year old that they announced it this is nothing new

literally just dx12_2 but with fancy name

wont matter as much on pc and it's also only out for developers four about the same time as the announcement aside from like a handful of people

next 3dmark benchmark will have mesh shaders way before any actual game makes real use of it

only thing that might be used already is DXR 1.1 or w/e came with this

wolfenstein 2 iirc

Boneworks uses something similar, technically not VRS but w/e the name for the VR variant of it is

yeah saw one FE in stock but couldnt order bc my phone was dead so I couldnt confirm purchase lol

meanwhile amd stock on the amd site is actually gone in <1s

great bot protection lmao

[gilded oriole]

https://youtu.be/aHW3beolPJA

[pale sigil]

Wait wait wait wait wait

Windows 11 can run android apps?!?!?!

[crisp granite]

well

#archived_wootstations

for context

this is perfect for what I plan to do

evil laugh

[pale sigil]

Holy shit

This is awesome

[crisp granite]

[pale sigil]

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

[crisp granite]

ok

that's kinda pog

get in on that shit, my brother from upside-down land

🙃

[pale sigil]

Vs the resident evil free offer it's not good

[crisp granite]

Cal

vs just getting a fucking SSD at insane prices (CA pains)

that's a good deal

yarr?

[pale sigil]

It's also not yarr ready

And prob won't be for a while

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

when it is

you bet I'll sail the high seas

$80 for ten hours of game?

lolnope

$8 is generous tbh

@wheat plume is in RE8?

major spoilers

not really

but a spoiler nonetheless

anyway, back to postal 4, because that game is awesome

aren't you considering ordering a gaming laptop?

those can game

...

bruh

I've played postal 4 with Geforce now while waiting for my vaccination

good times

nothing like helping americans cross the US-Mexico border illegally for opportunities

while a bunch of mexican border officers take potshots at you

[pale sigil]

$I mean... You're buying the ssd not game

[gilded oriole]

<@&476752926044454928>

[crisp granite]

he's sound asleep

or should be at this hour

[gilded oriole]

I don't know what to ping

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-lucifer-morningstar-tom-ellis-lucifer-shrug-gif-17388367

[gilded oriole]

that's a bot

it's a scammer

someone needs to ban the shmuck, lol

[reef tundra]

@Censors

[young pecan]

@gilded oriole There are no mods awake now, only Calder.

[gilded oriole]

sigh

[young pecan]

And he’s more than likely busy.

[gilded oriole]

well

someone tell a mod later

[young pecan]

This needs a fix of a kind, that’ll probably be worked on later.

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/bWcASV2sey0

[gilded oriole]

also, I just got my wooting rest

[young pecan]

Oh? How good?

[gilded oriole]

it feels nice

[crisp granite]

I, the dumbass, will get it with my 2HE

whenever that is

[young pecan]

[crisp granite]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[young pecan]

Same.

I ordered my 2HE expecting to get it in April.

[crisp granite]

xD

I thought the lekker would have shipped in early 2020

which is why I held out for later boards

[young pecan]

Oh well, worth the wait.

[crisp granite]

what a fucking mistake on my part

[young pecan]

What’s the other option? Razer?

[gilded oriole]

I got it because I wanted one and also I'm gonna use it when I get my 2HE

[young pecan]

[crisp granite]

unfortunately, yes

but it sucks and costs more than a 2HE

[gilded oriole]

I have a Blackwidow Chroma currently...

It works great, once you have it facing the right way.

:^)

[young pecan]

I mean...

[gilded oriole]

That took me a solid 5 minutes.

[young pecan]

Yuck.

[crisp granite]

the only advantage it really has is that it's on store shelves atm

I could get it at my door tomorrow from amazon

[young pecan]

Idk. Razer stuff has always struck me as hot garbage aside from the laptops.

[crisp granite]

for $330 CAD plus tax

[young pecan]

Laptops are the one thing Razer can do correctly.

[crisp granite]

and their new mice

those are pretty solid

[young pecan]

Nah. Even then Logitech has them beat across the board.

[crisp granite]

(using one rn, it was $40 CAD and kicks ass)

60g, feels tough, optical switches

[young pecan]

Why use anything but a G Pro Lightspeed?

[crisp granite]

I hate logi products

[young pecan]

I haven’t charged my mouse in over a year.

[crisp granite]

razer, I can forgive, just because they're actually getting better

[gilded oriole]

I ended up paying about $50 for the total of the wrist rest and shipping

[young pecan]

Just...

[crisp granite]

O.o

bruh

[young pecan]

Logitech can make a mouse.

A really good one.

[crisp granite]

I'd say razer can too

[young pecan]

G Pro Wireless with the Lightspeed charging pad.

[crisp granite]

the "v2" mice are proof of that imo

[young pecan]

I literally have not put batteries in my mouse in over a year.

[crisp granite]

Aeon

[young pecan]

Mmmm?

[reef tundra]

He said your name

[young pecan]

[crisp granite]

tbh, both can make damn good mice

I just like razer's mice more, shape and build wise

[young pecan]

Sure, but Logitech wins the fight for light/quality.

Razer defo wins in utility, tho.

Logitech just has nothing there.

[crisp granite]

the optical switches are a good selling point too

means double clicking won't be an issue later on

[young pecan]

Assuming apps start supporting it.

[crisp granite]

the optical switches work just like actual mice switches...

they're in mice too now

:D

and boy are they nice

[young pecan]

Yes, but that means you either need Razers stupid bloatware or apps need to support the functionality.

[crisp granite]

nope

[young pecan]

Or we need a Corsair move.

That’d be nice.

[crisp granite]

got no razer drivers installed, or synapse, which is a fucking nightmare

[young pecan]

Synapse is just...

[crisp granite]

just mouse and whatever shit is on it when stock and no synapse

[young pecan]

CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!

[crisp granite]

works like a dream

[reef tundra]

Didnt work for speedrunning

[crisp granite]

if you mean for the huntsman v2, yeah

they fucked that up big time

wootility lets you FLASH the board, instead of software on your PC, which is what the huntsman v2 does

instant win for wooting

shit

the razer board is just inferior to the 2HE in every way

[reef tundra]

No ability to have local settings?

[young pecan]

None.

[crisp granite]

worse support, worse functionality, worse price, worse mod-ability, you name it

like seriously

[young pecan]

It’s just the board with no onboard profiling.

[crisp granite]

why hasn't wooting had 2HE preorders filled for the next decade already?

[young pecan]

Because Wooting isn’t a household name.

Yet.

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/heroes-thats-what-heroes-do-thor-ragnarok-thor-thats-gif-20445883

[crisp granite]

they deserve to be

[crisp granite]

what's the value in a board smaller than 75%?

you're losing basic functionality easily accessible

[reef tundra]

Holding replacement switches is not a basic function?

[astral haven]

F keys, number keys, those imo are 100% nescessary

[young pecan]

^

[crisp granite]

and never forget page up and down

bonus points if page down is above page up

:)

[zenith sonnet]

And another piece of proprietary Nvidia software that they could have easily released for everyone to use
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/studio/canvas/

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/money-dont-touch-mine-slap-gif-6195540

[zenith sonnet]

And there not even an argument for hardware being to slow, this simply does not have to be able to work in real time at all

[reef tundra]

basically its done when the last thing has rendered

It would even be good for that to happen it would proof and justify the need for the hardware

More reason to release the claim

[zenith sonnet]

It has just been released as a public beta

It's not new

[reef tundra]

maybe its even less effort to not do that and start directly

[zenith sonnet]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1654370/3DMark_CPU_Profile_benchmarks/

Steam

3DMark CPU Profile benchmarks

3DMark CPU Profile The 3DMark CPU Profile introduces a new approach to CPU benchmarking. Instead of producing a single number, the 3DMark CPU Profile shows you how your CPU’s performance changes and scales with the number of cores and threads used. The 3DMark CPU Profile has six tests that help you benchmark and compare CPU performance for gami...

This is a lot more interesting

[young pecan]

Threadripper Pro 3995WX now has a use.

[zenith sonnet]

Lol, it doesn't really scale all that high, it seems?

[young pecan]

Trust me, it has a use.

Trust me.

I need one now.

Yes.

[zenith sonnet]

You can do 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or n threads

[young pecan]

Shhhh...

[reef tundra]

Compute things

[young pecan]

That just means I run 4 of them at the same time.

It's a justification to buy the overkill processor.

[zenith sonnet]

I see someone understands the use of these processors

[young pecan]

Just...

Play 62 instances of Minecraft at once.

[reef tundra]

While powering your lifestreaming adventures on how to pay to power bills

[young pecan]

Exactly.

[reef tundra]

Makes some money in donos

[young pecan]

Just run Minecraft 20 times and livestream it 20 times across different platforms.

Rake in ALL of the dono money.

[reef tundra]

All some anime thing with some delay to not be too noticable

[young pecan]

[reef tundra]

The clone army has a new defination now

[zenith sonnet]

Huh

This benchmark gets my higher CPU temps than P95, for example

My scores be bad though, blame memory running JEDEC speeds

Although it does not seem to be overly memory dependant

I also had Discord, browser and a bunch'a things running

Ouch xD

[reef tundra]

Depends ||on your fetish||

[old marlin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/o6skjq/digital_foundry_made_a_critical_mistake_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3&s=09

lol

[zenith sonnet]

Shit score is shit, turning stuff off doesn't save it :p

[zenith sonnet]

Per the comments the made the same mistake in Godfall?

Wonder how many other reviewers fucked up settings

[old marlin]

na even weirder

they used unreal unlocker to even make that mistake

but then claimed to not know how to enable it in godfall

same method though

and godfall does not have that issue

[zenith sonnet]

The heck?

https://imgsli.com/NTg3MTE

[dry tendon]

Alex's video had lots of issues. IDK if he edited the article though he did admit to the issues

He does, unless its DLSS 2.0 then all the ghosting is fine

[zenith sonnet]

Best thing about FSR is probably that it can by implemented into games by a single dev in just about two hours, and just works

And doesn't need no training on Nvidia's supercomputers

[dry tendon]

https://i.imgur.com/fKGcBHJ.png

this is DLSS 2.2

[young pecan]

@zenith sonnet While that's true it also can't improve over time with algorithms.

I like em both.

[dry tendon]

I like DLSS and I like FSR. I didnt like Alex's reviews on either of the technologies

[young pecan]

But there has to be a middle ground between them.

[dry tendon]

he is more excited by the tech than the results

[zenith sonnet]

Something that cannot happen with FSR by design. And I take a little more blur over temporal ghosting any day

[young pecan]

Like, imagine if FSR was the baseline technology used, but DLSS 3.0 could improve upon a solid foundation on a game by game basis?

You'd have great performance all the time with the advantages of AI.

[reef tundra]

If you need to zoom in to notice the difference ...

[dry tendon]

FSR will get improvements too. I suspect it will get temporal information and eventually ML as well

[zenith sonnet]

I hope they do not use temporal information

[dry tendon]

We shall see

[zenith sonnet]

I don't need good looking still images as much as smooth, clear motion

[dry tendon]

Spatial reconstruction can make artifacts more visible, and generally can't do as much as temporal reconstruction. But Temporal reconstruction has it's flaws as well, like ghosting. Both exhibit shimmering the more you try to upscale (in real time), and boths flaws will get worse the more you try to upscale. Anything beyond 4x looks horrible. TAAU exhibits very, very noticeable ghosting at anything more than 4x. (1080p upscaled to 4K). At 1080p it's still not great.

[young pecan]

Now if only TemporalAA could resolve a good story. :(

Poor Death Stranding.

So confused.

It's a Kojima mess with none of the control.

Someone has to be around to reign in that loose cannon, and Death Stranding is what happens when it's allowed to freely fire.

Man has a LOT of creativity, but not all creativity needs to be in the game. :P

[reef tundra]

Better than far cry clone #10392029318

[young pecan]

True.

[formal meteor]

I mean, the tech is the part to be excited about

It can almost infinitely become better

[dry tendon]

Technically true, but same for other techniques too. Since they will get more features as well.
In the here and now he has to review the result.

I defended DLSS 1.0 because of its potential. Now I have to attack DLSS 2.0 due to its results and how brainwashed some people are on it lol. And I like the tech

[zenith sonnet]

Something in FSR is hitting the spot, though.
While there is noticeable loss of accuracy in high contrast high detail scenery (like Anno 1800's buildings), ground and stonework, particularly if not overly sharp to begin with, tend to look better through FSR than native

[dry tendon]

its like how I wanted Vega to get the new NGG path working and now I have to yell down boy at the AMD fans who scream for more geometry perf on RDNA 2 lol

[formal meteor]

I mean DLSS is like

[reef tundra]

4 letters i know

[formal meteor]

Black magic lol, but it's a given Nvidia can do it that well with all they have in AI

[dry tendon]

It isnt black magic though. It is engineering.

And it isnt even AI but then again an "if" statement = AI in 2021

[formal meteor]

Obviously lol, but it would seem like black magic to the normal person

Same quality

More frames

Stonks

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-apple-gif-5944737

[zenith sonnet]

Honestly, two years in, I had expected more of DLSS.
Support is still lacking, and even with all their AI power, it still has pretty obvious temporal flaws

[reef tundra]

So much power

[dry tendon]

It isnt same quality though. It has ghosting, shimmering, lowered RT image quality (fewer RT rays shot out), and sometimes missing texture details (not related to mipmaps)

it is AWESOME tech

but same quality it is not

[reef tundra]

Its better.. it must be

[dry tendon]

and it isnt that Tensor intensive. The difference in ms between how fast a 2060 runs it and how faast a 3090 runs it makes it apparent that it isnt that Tensor depended.

which is aa GOOD thing

2060 is a good GPU in terms of speed. its vram is piss poor though

[formal meteor]

Need a 3090 ti with 40 Gb VRAM

No cap

[reef tundra]

Nah, means you need more excuses to explain the nvidia logic

[formal meteor]

^

Factual

[dry tendon]

Facts

[reef tundra]

Stop fucking GPUs

[formal meteor]

Nvidia be like "silicone shortage?"

"release all the shit"

[reef tundra]

We'll double it

Take it or leave it technique

[formal meteor]

But yea, I like DLSS it isn't perfect but it's good enough for me although it's obvious with new technology comes new people who will defend it tooth and nail

Nvidia fanbois

[reef tundra]

Use both and dab on both

[formal meteor]

Factual

[zenith sonnet]

More FSR means less RTX sales for Nvidia

Since people can get by on their 10 series cards a while longer

[dry tendon]

I want something good that is neutral and works on AMD, Intel, and Nvidia and DOESNT depend on long-term NV support

[formal meteor]

Yea I'm glad Nvidia is bringing somewhat competition

[zenith sonnet]

FSR is just that, especially once made open source

[formal meteor]

Nvidia still dominating but

Kinda iffy on AMD

[reef tundra]

Time for the GT 710 to truly shine

[formal meteor]

Dominating CPU market

Can't do GPU

[dry tendon]

I think RX 6000 series GPUs are very good overall

[formal meteor]

Ehhh

Depends on usage

[zenith sonnet]

AMD can absolutely do GPUs
RDNA2 is on par with Ampere

[reef tundra]

They wont water the plants any good indeed

[dry tendon]

RX 6800 easily curbstomps 3070 Ti. 6800 XT is a valid choice vs 3080. 6900 XT, 3080 Ti, 3090 are memes.
6700 XT is overpriced vs 3060 Ti and 3070.

[formal meteor]

It's all very use specific

[zenith sonnet]

Also there is now a LC 6900 XT
Now THAT'S a meme

[dry tendon]

we need 4 GB on high-end cards right 😛 ?

[zenith sonnet]

But damn is it fast

[dry tendon]

It is. AMD is selling 3 different products under the 6900 XT name. Its dishonest.

XTX + 16gbps
XTXH + 16gbps
XTXH + 18gbps

[reef tundra]

Sharing is caring

[dry tendon]

If the 6800 was 480 USD and 8Gb of VRAM I would consider it a piece of dogshit

[zenith sonnet]

Unlike the 1060? or whatever it was, their at least otherwise feature identical and the differences are clearly marked

[dry tendon]

Just because Nvidia did it doesnt mean its good when AMD does it 😛

[zenith sonnet]

I think there are different 1060's with different GPU generations and shit

[dry tendon]

1060 8gbps, 1060 9gbps and 1060 3gb (this one had a different name)

the worse offender is GT 1030 GDDR5 vs 1030 DDR4

[zenith sonnet]

In the end, the only difference is core and memory clock. I think it's fair to call all of these 6900 XT models

AiB's change clocks all the time as well

There's an OC, and Super OC, and a reference...

[dry tendon]

The XTXH chip has different OC abilities. Also 18gbps is still a performance increase

[zenith sonnet]

It is. And you pay for it. But in the end, it's just a 6900 XT that clocks a little higher

[dry tendon]

The difference between a reference spec 6900 XT and a reference spec 6800 XT is 9%. The difference between a reference spec 6900 XT XTX 16 gbps and a 6900 XT XTXH 18gbps would be around 10-11%

BTW, I own TWO 6900 XTs so...

[reef tundra]

Weird flex, but ok.

[zenith sonnet]

I want some, I only have two Radeon VII's :p

[dry tendon]

It isnt a flex, I am just annoyed that I dont even have the top spec card XD

two Radeon VIIs is superior lol

you can sell em to a miner

amd buy a lambo

[zenith sonnet]

I'd sell them, if I could find a reasonably priced 6900 XT

[dry tendon]

I got REALLY luck since I paid UNDER MSRP for one 6900 XT

[reef tundra]

He knows whats up

[dry tendon]

no joke

[formal meteor]

Man

I had a 3080 I put up for sale on reddit got offered like 1700 lol

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-take-your-entire-stock-gif-21941954

[formal meteor]

Traded it for a lightly used 3090

[reef tundra]

Bruh sound effect 3

[formal meteor]

[ashen spindle]

so now that the win11 release has been out for a bit, do we know why we need 1tb nvme's for direct storage?

or do we actually need that as I cant find it being mentioned anywhere now

[reef tundra]

Because they hate poor people

[dry tendon]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/231/652/5f0.jpg

I actually dont know about Windows 11

it looks dumb to me i dont want an MS account

[formal meteor]

Surprised people didn't know about DirectStorage

[ashen spindle]

well it's needed for features like direct storage which could be nice

well it was news that supposedly you need a drive with a minimum size

[zenith sonnet]

How many of the people crying about using a MS account have a google or Apple account for their devices?

[reef tundra]

Cant forget the ph acc

[formal meteor]

Time to go buy three nvme drives

[reef tundra]

Be banned by bill gates himself

[zenith sonnet]

I do have a 20 year old hotmail I don't really use
I guess that counts?

[dry tendon]

Only a google acc

[zenith sonnet]

Using a local account for Win 10 is less effort

Yeah, lol

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-oh-yeah-oh-really-seriously-gif-12557049

[zenith sonnet]

I use it for MSN messenger

And then for a Technet account to get windows and office keys

And that's about all of the use it's seen

[zenith sonnet]

I seem to be missing something...

[crimson wigeon]

Just buy a new Windows 11 Ready PC loooool

[zenith sonnet]

Well, that seems to be the issue

Why, though?

[wheat plume]

never seen this popup before....

wot?!

[zenith sonnet]

GPU, eh?

[wheat plume]

huh?

is it cause i have Secure Boot disabled?

[pale sigil]

@zenith sonnet @wheat plume FYI irs because of TPM 2

[zenith sonnet]

Yeah

[wheat plume]

why do they want us to have a thing they no longer develop installed to get Windows 11?!?!

[zenith sonnet]

I dunno why it's off on my PC, though

[wheat plume]

Microsoft: "You need deprecated code to run Windows 11"

[pale sigil]

Not all motherboards have TPM

[crimson wigeon]

Motherboards probably have it disabled by default, at least mine did..

[zenith sonnet]

It's part of the CPU nowadays

[wheat plume]

I cant enable Secure Boot, it will break dual booting ;-;

[crimson wigeon]

For me I just entered setup and turned on that "fTPM"

[pale sigil]

You'd just enable it for upgrade

Ye ngh

Was ahout to say

[wheat plume]

Nowadays its dead.... they dont develop it anymore ....

So Windows 11 wants us to have dead projects installed to upgrade to it... Seems legit

[pale sigil]

Ryzen users are good

St least newer ones

[crimson wigeon]

Think that's for Ryzens.. Intel CPUs call it something else

[wheat plume]

where?

[pale sigil]

TPM 2 is very recent

[wheat plume]

They lie on that site then hmmm

[crimson wigeon]

Read your motherboard's manual on how to enter setup and then go through the menus and find it, or use the search function if it's fancy and has that

[wheat plume]

oh... Bios

[zenith sonnet]

Reading comprehension :p

[ashen spindle]

the site isn't lying your just not reading it correctly...

[wheat plume]

Im guessing they mean version 1

[zenith sonnet]

No...

Please read the title again

[wheat plume]

no longer actively developing the TPM management console

[wheat plume]

hmm, so now you just enable it and forget?

[ashen spindle]

literally the first sentence of the paragraph where you got your sentence from

[zenith sonnet]

They depreciated the [TPM] management console, it has nothing to do with TPM itself

[wheat plume]

I tried to search for that and no good

Oh
Had to switch to advance mode

o

[zenith sonnet]

Fixed

[wheat plume]

Should I change "Discrete TPM" to "Firmware TPM"? in that BIOS photo I sent?

[crimson wigeon]

Yes..

[wheat plume]

Ook

My CPU is supported
I checked the Microsoft website

That last sentence scares me

Cause I reinstall the OS a lot :/

This is bios
So yeah

Check of your cpu is on this list
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

Then it should be

Nice nice

There already is

aha

[pale sigil]

@brazen vapor most systems don't have tpm 2

Especially your own builds

Afaik it's actually 1.2 required

For release

[reef tundra]

All that work for some ui

[wheat plume]

Im still worried about what this means

if the recovery key gets lost....

how does it get lost?

[reef tundra]

Dont lose them then\

[ashen spindle]

if you lose your key to decrypt it it's lost? just like one can lose any other key

[wheat plume]

yeah but HOW could it get lost?

if you clean install Windows?

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-wheres-the-money-gif-14726175

Like that

[cursive summit]

Yeah I ain't enabling no TPM

Sorry but fuck off Windows

[reef tundra]

dont trust them? with your data? which they really like you to have available to the internet

[ashen spindle]

how do you lose a password? by forgetting it and it not being saved anywhere because it got overridden or something

I dont understand the confusion

[crimson wigeon]

Those scary warnings are only relevant if you actually make use of the TPM, e.g. for BitLocker as it says

[ashen spindle]

also, why bother using it if you're not going to install it right away anyway

the tool doesnt tell you anything you can't figure out by looking at a list of supported cpus

[reef tundra]

Reading comprehension is for nerds, lmao

[wheat plume]

I will install it when its released

But clean install both Linux and Windows

[ashen spindle]

so why bother with it now when it can change 10 times till then

[wheat plume]

I wanted to see how and if my computer is compatible after that change, cause I was also worried id have to enable Secure Boot too

It seems I dont so thats fine

[ashen spindle]

that doesn't really change my point/question but w/e

[reef tundra]

Shoot first, identify target later

[reef patrol]

haha... fuck you Microsoft

[crimson wigeon]

There are new minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11. In order to run Windows 11, devices must meet the following specifications. Devices that do not meet the hard floor cannot be upgraded to Windows 11, and devices that meet the soft floor will receive a notification that upgrade is not advised.

Hard Floor:

CPU: Core >= 2 and Speed >= 1 GHz
System Memory: TotalPhysicalRam >= 4 GB
Storage: 64 GB
Security: TPM Version >= 1.2 and SecureBootCapable = True
Smode: Smode is false, or Smode is true and C_ossku in (0x65, 0x64, 0x63, 0x6D, 0x6F, 0x73, 0x74, 0x71)

Soft Floor:

Security: TPMVersion >= 2.0
CPU Generation

[reef tundra]

I guess they got to know eachother really well :)

[wheat plume]

"Your PC wont run Windows 11 due to arbitrary requirements? HAH, sucks to be you, guess you need to buy these new laptops we are pushing on our websites!"

[reef patrol]

My mobo doesn't even have TPM by default. Cause why the fuck would a consumer board have that 😄

So definitely waiting for someone to crack that egg.

[wheat plume]

I thought it was CPU related?

[reef tundra]

Because you are a good little customer and download all microsoft related products

[reef patrol]

Mobo needs a TPM module as well though? Right?

[wheat plume]

idk

[crimson wigeon]

Only if the CPU doesn't have a builtin

[ashen spindle]

it can either be a separate chip or something the cpu handles, in mansens case I assume he just needs to switch the setting to fTPM

[wheat plume]

my mobo isnt anything special and it works

[reef tundra]

uefi level fuckery

[reef patrol]

Ohh... Yeah I probably don't have it enabled in BIOS. Only UEFI 😄

[reef tundra]

BIOS is too basic

[ashen spindle]

and sure it might seem a bit arbitrary, and I might not agree with microsoft in this case, but unlike linux they need to drop support for things that are decades old or we would not get progress done

I really much prefer needing newer stuff over being able to run it on my 20 year old hardware so that devs need to account for those 5 people

[wheat plume]

WDYM? Windows is the king of backwards compatibility
most of its utilities are from Vista!

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-panic-key-peele-sweat-scared-gif-4656331

[wheat plume]

/s

[ashen spindle]

reusing is not the same as backwards compatible

[reef tundra]

when the browserbox shows anything else than your browser

[wheat plume]

yeh i know xd

[wheat plume]

huh?

[ashen spindle]

and unlike DX features other things are also not built upon them usually

@fickle ore did you figure out why we need 1tb nvmes for that or if that was just some rumour?

[reef patrol]

Oh no. @pale sigil xD

[wheat plume]

🤦‍♀️

WHY?!

[reef patrol]

Stardock's going to make a goddamned fortune.

[wheat plume]

That first bullet point 👌

I approve

[reef patrol]

Glad to be rid of live tiles.

But... I'll probably need to disable some new shit instead.

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle apparently the german website says need 1 TB and english one doesnt

kek

[ashen spindle]

ah so it's for localization files

[reef patrol]

I really don't need or want to see my latest documents...when I open the start menu...where I open APPS.

If I wanted a recent document, I'd open the app. I don't go "Gee - I wonder if that spreadsheet was an Excel or Powerpoint document. Thank god Microsoft shows me to doc"

[crimson wigeon]

Wut

[crimson wigeon]

Oh right that nonsense

[astral haven]

if your cpu doesnt have a built in tpm you need to get a new cpu

[reef patrol]

It's 5600X so I imagine it would?

[crimson wigeon]

That start menu is just so useless though, where the shortcuts at

[astral haven]

yes

yes it does

the tldr is that if you are ivy bridge or older or not ryzen you need a new computer

[wheat plume]

LOL

[reef tundra]

They changed the godfolder this time?

[wheat plume]

huh?

[reef patrol]

Here's hoping they finally merged the old and new control panels properly.

[crimson wigeon]

lolno

[reef patrol]

I am so tired of needing to access two different audio control panels to get all of the settings xD

[crimson wigeon]

And I hope not, appwiz.cpl is so much more usable than whatever that apps list thing is

[wheat plume]

dafuq is that?

[reef tundra]

Usable software

[wheat plume]

oh, it opens the uninstall list in control panel

[timid chasm]

yeah by default though? Surely it's editable with a little finessing

[crimson wigeon]

Definitely

[timid chasm]

So long as Event Viewer continues to post errors immediately after fresh OS installs. That's the only consistency I need

[wheat plume]

uhh

[reef patrol]

Oh for sure.

I just found it hilarious.

[reef tundra]

Microsoft support uses the tree command to do virus scans strange accent those Americans have. Sound a little indian to me but, ehh

[timid chasm]

It's definitely an odd change to want to enforce I feel

[crimson wigeon]

And they ask for payment in Google Play gift cards too!

[reef patrol]

I'm honestly mostly curious about the TPM bypassing, and that whole "DirectStorage with MS account only" bs

It'll be interesting to see if it can be hacked out.

[reef tundra]

Dont worry, microsoft just works

[timid chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/good-burger-some-of-these-gif-12933391

[astral haven]

For me it's 100% slower since it won't show up :(

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle So ye, idk if it's gonna require 1 TB or not, found anything urself? 😄

[ashen spindle]

havent found it anywhere else so probably an error

[fickle ore]

alright, annoying!

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah for some reason in English it's not mentioned but all the translations have the 1TB thing

[wheat plume]

fag end

??

[ashen spindle]

if you already have google open why dont you just google that term...

[wheat plume]

I thought they typo'd "far end"

Talking about the new Alan Turing 50 pound note

[shadow minnow]

Smh
https://wccftech.com/windows-11-taskbar-is-fixed-at-the-bottom-you-cant-dock-it-elsewhere/

[wheat plume]

FML .-.

[shadow minnow]

Microsoft really wants to make my experience with having to use windows cause app support as bad as possible
I mean there are few positive changes, but mostly it sucks, also another disabled features.
But the presentation was also… not the best imo tbh. They kept referring to it as “product” which idk why but sounded really annoying

[young pecan]

Honestly, Win11 has SO MUCH improvement.

The bad parts will just be ripped out by modders.

[young pecan]

I see it as a pretty big win for me.

[stone vector]

its just a rounded windows skins with a bunch of added bloatware, i dont see any notable improvements

[shadow minnow]

I mean design itself yes but there are quite a lot of bad parts too.
And the design idk tbh, looks bit more like macos which I like, but also there is still stuff like really sucks

[shadow minnow]

^

[young pecan]

DirectStorage.

That alone is a massive improvement.

[wheat plume]

yeah, but how many users have 1TB NVME drives?

[young pecan]

Quite a lot.

They’re becoming more common.

[wheat plume]

all the gamers

not general users

[young pecan]

shrugs Like I give a shit about general users.

My purpose is my own, and holy fuck Win11 gives me some damn good upgrades.

[shadow minnow]

I mean direct storage is Pog but could we get it without some of the other features

[young pecan]

Ain’t that the purpose of modding the OS?

It’s never perfect, so we mod it.

[stone vector]

instead of adding amazon bloatware to windows store they shouldve integrated Winget...

[young pecan]

Iirc the Amazon store will also allow Amazon.com purchases?

[wheat plume]

you need amazon and microsoft account
must people have those anyway

[young pecan]

Idk. The Windows store now has some degree of use. Better then before when it was a barren ghost land.

That and having access to mobile apps on Windows is pog as all hell.

[ashen spindle]

again, you dont need 1tb

[young pecan]

^ Also that.

[young pecan]

Yeah, not everyone actually wants to do shit through a CLI.

You want that? Go Linux.

[ashen spindle]

also who cares if non gamers don't have 1tb nvme when it's a feature for only gamers?

[young pecan]

A vast majority of people never even went to look at CLI, much less use it for anything.

[shadow minnow]

I mean tbh don’t get why so you need 1tb. But I have 2tb gen 4 drive so does not really matter to me

[young pecan]

At most maybe ipconfig so the internet man can fix the viruses.

[ashen spindle]

^

[young pecan]

But why not have 1TB?

It’s affordable.

[ashen spindle]

was as answer to >I mean tbh don’t get why so you need 1tb.

[shadow minnow]

Oh, I guess I misunderstood that

Nvm

[young pecan]

And if you wait for a sale they can be had for a damn good price, actually.

Y’know, did Crucial ever make an NVMe version of the MX500?

That drive is nutty good.

Like, they have an M.2 variant, but what about an actual NVMe one...?

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

oh wow xd

[reef patrol]

Ugh... I have to compile it.

And OF COURSE the releases page is not apparent as usual. This is why I keep ranting about how fucking terrible github is! I told ya I would mention it! 😛

[ashen spindle]

ok but you have used it before, release is at the same place it always is 😛

so you knew where to look

[reef patrol]

I literally had to search my screen to find out there was a RELEASES link on the right side.

So no. 😄

[ashen spindle]

but that's where it is for every github

[reef patrol]

Yes - And it isn't obvious at all.

[ashen spindle]

yea but you should still know it by now 😛

it doesnt change

[reef patrol]

I... actually didn't know there was a releases link till just now 😄

[ashen spindle]

the last time you complained about it it was in the same place xD

[reef patrol]

I always find the releases by scrolling down and looking at posts, looking desperately for a link.

[reef patrol]

And that's my point. It should be a lot more front and center. But it's hidden away in the right side.

[crisp granite]

got a 1tb in my system rn and ordered a 2tb that'll show up soon

both MX500s

[young pecan]

Pog

[ashen spindle]

and I agree, but you still found it last time and so you should've known 😛

[crisp granite]

they're fucking awesome

[reef patrol]

I found the releases page last time - By digging through posts. Not through the main interface 😄

[young pecan]

Guys help.

[reef patrol]

SENDING HALP

[young pecan]

I need a new cable for my HD800S and idk what color to take.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/174635205229?hash=item28a911c26d:g:eTcAAOSwYcJgLQBe

REINFORCEMENTS, HELP. >_>

[reef patrol]

Depends on your setup I guess.

[young pecan]

I have no theme so far.

[reef patrol]

I dig CHILL a lot.

[young pecan]

My desk is white, that's basically it..

[reef patrol]

But it also happens to match my LEDs perfectly.

You missed out on half the conversation there and decided to reply 😄

[young pecan]

Fuck, choosing a cable is hard.

@crisp granite HALP.

[reef patrol]

I'd avoid the whitest hues. Cause they are very likely to stain super easy. Maybe charcoal grey?

[young pecan]

Good idea.

Maybe black as a main, with orange and something else?

[reef patrol]

That could work. 🙂

[young pecan]

Royal orange and deep purple, perhaps.

Acid purple, actually.

Fuuuuck.

Why is this so difficult?!

[reef patrol]

[young pecan]

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Maybe black + silver metallic base with acid purple on the left and royal orange on the right...

Reckon it'd be worth having flecks of silver across the cable?

[crisp granite]

that

would be hot

[young pecan]

I feel like I'm actually about to lose my shit.

This is the hardest choice I've had to make in months.

Right...

@crisp granite Black or silver connectors?

My amp and headphones are both black, so that's prolly where I'll go.

[crisp granite]

silver

[young pecan]

Mmmmmm.

[crisp granite]

finish will last longer and won't look too bad if it gets damaged

[young pecan]

Point.

[crisp granite]

it'll also be better than different shades of black

[young pecan]

Also point.

Yeah nah, I'm gonna go black because the guy making this is using Neutrik.

That shit is blackened metal, damage doesn't show up.

I have some Neutrik stuff and it's nutty. Expensive, but nutty.

Ordered, bois. :)

Stuck with this cable for the foreseeable future, but I'll have my new cable in soonish.

[cursive summit]

WHY

https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/avatar-frontiers-of-pandora-raytracing,3371105.html

Ubisoft's Avatar game is fully next gen and will be exclusively using ray tracing

Graphics cards that do not support hardware-accelerated RT will use software RT instead

Again, why? Who asked for this

[ashen spindle]

because thats the whole point of raytracing

if you limit it to being an option, you take away the entire point of the possibility, that it can replace so many work hours of setting up light maps, reflection probes etc.

[cursive summit]

Software RT will make many cards virtually unable to do anything

Unless you have some really modern card at least

Crytek showcased decent enough software RT that can run on Vega 54s and such

[ashen spindle]

so it's a game that only runs on modern hardware

those things happened in the past already

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ people whined about needing shaders for hl2 yet look where we are today

[ashen spindle]

^

[cursive summit]

Horrible decision business wise since 90% of PC users won't even be able to play it

[ashen spindle]

but 100% of console users

[astral haven]

Tell that to hl2

[cursive summit]

Also in the midst of a shortage

[ashen spindle]

and the game is not coming this year

and the "shortage" is in reality extreme demand

which means there are a lot of people who will be able to run it

[astral haven]

Still only about 15% of steam users

[ashen spindle]

whenever it's out next year that will be more though

• by that time intel gpus should be out too

hell if its end of 2022 we might have rdna3 before

[astral haven]

And to be fair, the people haven't upgraded their gpu in the past 3 years probably aren't gonna buy a $60 game on release anyways

Intel high end V1 might not have raytracing

[ashen spindle]

HPG should come this year and has dedicated RT hardware

[astral haven]

Oh so it does

[young pecan]

Honestly, I see nothing wrong with this.

Sometimes forcing adoption of a technology can be a good thing.

And y'know what? Path tracing is that good of a tech that I see it as a good sacrifice.

[ashen spindle]

and it's not like they knew the shortage would come when they started this lmao

if this started in like 2015 they cant just flip over everything to add a raster renderer

[astral haven]

Path tracing isn't raytracing.....

[young pecan]

It's not, but RT cores can be used for stuff like audio path tracing.

More people wanna have that kind of tech? Good.

[astral haven]

Yes they can, and it is very cool

[young pecan]

Ugh, more games need it.

Proper sound design is one of the most important things in media.

Sadly overlooked. :(

[ashen spindle]

honestly the best part is that ubisoft works a lot with AMD so this might be a good example how generic RT implementation that works well on all vendors

[astral haven]

i mean the Microsoft demos that were released before any raytracing hardware existed might be better examples of that but ok

[ashen spindle]

way too outdated for the 5 minute consumer brain 😛

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-to-launch-a100-pcie-accelerator-with-80gb-hbm2e-memory hmm whats the mining hashrate though

[young pecan]

MiNe BiTcOiN.

[crisp granite]

mine eth on it

you'll break even within a year

hopefully

[young pecan]

Lmfao no.

[crisp granite]

xD

[young pecan]

That thing is probably obscenely expensive.

[dry tendon]

One thing you guys forget is that not all games target all segments

I bet the average CoD bro has an inferior PC (on average of course) to fanatics of Total War for example

[shadow minnow]

Total war actually does not require very powerful PCs at all

At least from my experience

[dry tendon]

I know. That is the funny thing

[shadow minnow]

Even hearts of iron 4 needs more performance than total war battles which is kinda strange

[dry tendon]

the community however likely is composed of older people who have more money on average

I am fine with DX12U / Vulkan becoming the standard

[shadow minnow]

Tbh wish total war medieval 3 would be released with better graphics and some new mechanics, but still similar building, army… mechanics.

[dry tendon]

Actually I am a retard

VR gamers would be a better fit here

or the Simulator crowd

[reef tundra]

Just need to add some AI that isnt braindead

[wheat plume]

I have a laptop I can install Insider builds on :O ooo

hah nice

dont have time tonight ;-;

[reef tundra]

But why

[wheat plume]

Cause I wanna try the 11 build when its released next week

[reef tundra]

But why be an unpaid alpha tester

[wheat plume]

I also want to see if we can edit registry to make it move taskbar back to top

:')

[reef tundra]

UI update

[ashen spindle]

and the ui is probably going to change the most out of everything till release

so I dont see the point either

[wheat plume]

I do really like the new icon pack

and sounds

cursor still ugly :/

[reef tundra]

You can update the ui since windows 3

[wheat plume]

same on MacOS, their cursor ugly too

[reef tundra]

download some toolbar or something\

[wheat plume]

At least on Windows, you can change cursor theme, unlike MacOS

yep

I am

But if I like something from another OS, then I will say it

example: touchpad gestures on Windows 10 are amazing

and you can customise what they do

and I wish that existed on Linux

[reef tundra]

The only good OS is temple OS. As it is the only OS using Holy C

[wheat plume]

yes, the only OS that tells you to run over glow in the dark CIA <redacted>

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/Ja3upeEG92Q

[wheat plume]

It also has very realistic elephants

https://youtu.be/FoTYV22qZTg

... turn off volume during last 5 seconds.... its just ear rape .-.

[shadow minnow]

Same on macOS imo. Quite a lot of useful ones too

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/sunjun_kim/status/1408568997625303040 @fickle ore just saw it and going to bed so im not able to find the paper yet if its public already but seems to be right up your alley

Sunjun Kim@🇰🇷🇫🇮🏳️‍🌈🎗 (@sunjun_kim)

TL, DR: a quick conclusion is, faster polling rates beyond 1k Hz are beneficial in jitter reduction indeed, however its perceptional threshold was measures around 2k in our study.

Twitter · Jun 25, 2021, 11:33 PM

[astral haven]

That's odd since Nvidia found up to 20k to be beneficial

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/clu7t58be8v6.gif

looks exactly like the vid u sent

just that instead of probably electron

it uses c#

[edgy hull]

but can that be applied globally with basically a device overlay? Doing canvased based effects per device does make it harder to make say the effect I made shown in the vid, where ya see the color change on peripherals first then PC

[fair gull]

idk cause ngl

i dont care bout my pc

i turned off all the rgb

[edgy hull]

Lol fair

[fair gull]

and uninstalled the software from the companies

cause

yes it has a glass panel

yes its clean inside

but its besides my desk

and even if it was on my desk i wanna look at my monitors not my pc case

[edgy hull]

Depends on the mood for me. Still turn off every night cuz in bedroom and cant sleep with bright ass lights near-ish my face. Sometimes turn on in morning again, sometimes not. Tho, my PC kinda be like an art piece to me as well

[fair gull]

also as i said the whole pro model

with monthly payments for game integrations

really makes it a no for me already

[edgy hull]

Ye pro is kinda whack. But seems like it's their full time job and idk how else they'd make money for it to not become a side job

[fair gull]

they have their own keyboard line

[edgy hull]

Their peripherals dont seem that popular tho

[fair gull]

despite signalrgb just being their whirlwindfx but more open

[edgy hull]

I'd take a good bet that the Pro thing is a significant income for them

But, tbf I dont care for game integration so doesnt matter for me. I like my effects to be at least semi-constant (such as the vid I posted with some random-ness to it) and slow. Very variable things that have fast changing colors just distracts me

[misty saffron]

as long as you have a multitouch touchpad

[wheat plume]

And I do xd

[shadow minnow]

Why are the android apps for windows 11 from Amazon store smh

[wheat plume]

Cause it makes Microsoft money cause of their partnership

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/hardwarecanucks/status/1408111096414756875 hmm I guess that would be content that could get me to actually watch his channel

Hardware Canucks (@hardwarecanucks)

When YouTube breaks.....
BOY does it break. 😂

@JayzTwoCents

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2021, 5:13 PM

[cursive summit]

Is there a game yet that supports both FSR and DLSS?

Can you run them both in tandem?

What would be the image quality of that, the perf gains?

[ashen spindle]

no game has both yet

[reef tundra]

Amazon just wants to become your new government as the only mega corp

[ashen spindle]

yes you can run both in tandem, if that makes it better or worse would depend on how it's implemented

dont want to make it so one makes the artifacts from the other more visible

as FSR is open source I fully expect dlss to support it either officially or unoffically at some point

[reef tundra]

But Nvidia

[ashen spindle]

well yeah, that's why it might be unoffically by them adding it to dlss without disclosing they used fsr code

they can add it all while not saying they did that xD

[reef tundra]

Would that even be legal? Open-source doesnt mean no copyright

[ashen spindle]

it's MIT license

[shadow minnow]

I mean there is one part that is quite different and that is DLSS using non cuda cores

[ashen spindle]

think everything in GPUOpen is published with MIT license, even their hair thing to compete wiht hairworks

[reef tundra]

MIT licence does have the condition that the copyright notice and permission notice to be included..

[ashen spindle]

yeah but if you just take generic parts and have the info that you took something from GPUOpen, that's enough to fulfil those needs

[dry tendon]

This is FSR Ultra Quality
https://i.imgur.com/w7erTwj.jpg

Vs TAAU at same resolution as FSR
https://i.imgur.com/Zzhq66a.jpg

[ashen spindle]

ngl I feel like anything TAA based should be so much better but ever since the introduction nvidia didn't put much more work into it from my impression

[reef tundra]

Everything is permitted, unless it has been plagiarised. (don't take ideas and pass those as your own)

[ashen spindle]

too much artifacting/blurring is really shit from temporal stuff but it does offer more info than anything else

can we just skip 5 years into the future and have better temporal options? lmao

[dry tendon]

IDK, FSR UQ vs TAAU at same settings is a FSR victory

but only if its high res, I admit

at low res its equal (pros and cons)

I dislike ghosting from Temporal solutions

[ashen spindle]

yeah but I feel like if you get the ghosting controlled you get so much more info

and nothing to stop you to use FSR'd images for your temporal reconstruction to improve the input

so if we get 2-3 more generations of upgraded tensor cores we might get at a level where the ghosting is not a joke like in cyberpunk

[dry tendon]

I dont think its the hardware tbh but software

DLSS is light on tensor usage

comparatively that is

[ashen spindle]

yeah but from my (very rough) estimation, better AI to handle that will need better hardware even if you make the software a lot better

[dry tendon]

We shall see. I think FSR 1.0 is very good. So is DLS 2.2 (overall better id say for now). I just dislike proprietary shit

[cursive summit]

https://mobile.twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1408587013205409793

Tom Warren (@tomwarren)

Microsoft confirms Windows 11 will only support 8th Gen and up CPUs. According to Microsoft, Windows 11 will not install on earlier CPUs. This means Microsoft's own Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro (2017), and Surface Studio 2 ($3,499) will not be upgradeable to Windows 11 🤯 https://t.co/tVbEbbKYDy

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Twitter · Jun 26, 2021, 12:44 AM

So, Win11 is rich kids only OS

[ashen spindle]

yeah it's a difficult topic, best option obviously means everything is open so it's useable everywhere

but closed solutions bring competition and potential improvements from it

hard to balance

[dry tendon]

Yeah. But AMD said they have more plans for FSR so I am hopeful. Still, DF are just wrong ATM IMHO

[dry tendon]

As per the PC Health Check thingy I am ready for Win 11

[ashen spindle]

oh I've not treated DF as a source with integrity for a long time

just by nature of the deals they take it's impossible to remain neutral for them, even if they don't do it on purpose

if you take a deal to do an early showcase of ampere you just can't do an unbiased review afterwards even if you try

hm, might sound like I'm really bashing on them, that's not my intent, I just mean anyone who takes sponsorhips can't humanly make a flawless review about it

[wheat plume]

It tells me my computer won't support 11

But it does after I enabled tpm 2 in bios

[dry tendon]

I just think they be wrong 😛 they often make mistakes from my experience. And Alex isnt one to edit or confront his own mistakes often or well enough

[dry tendon]

Same

[ashen spindle]

well, then it's even worse 😛

[wheat plume]

Even computers that can support 11 are being told they can't because it's not enabled

.-.

It DoEs NoT meEt The mIniMuM rEqUIremeNtS

[young pecan]

So...

[ashen spindle]

but tbf the only issue is if they try to position as a super accurate and independent review if they previously have taken deals. and I guess that's the case here too?

[young pecan]

Why TPM?

What's the reason for it to be enabled in Win11?

Haven't actually looked into it at all.

[ashen spindle]

dont think there was a public reply yet, only some people reaching out for more info

aside from

[young pecan]

...

Uhh.

That says absolutely nothing...?

[dry tendon]

This is Perf FSR: https://imgur.com/t5kBOOI

This is TAAU 50%: https://imgur.com/fRRscfe

TAAU wins on the dress. FSR wins on the rest of the scene. As per Alex from DF, TAAU wins all of it. Yet he didnt use the same settings during the comparisons, Motion Blur and Depth of Field ruined FSR's picture

[young pecan]

What does TPM 2 actually do specifically?

[ashen spindle]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/tpm/tpm-recommendations

link has a list and comparisons

[ashen spindle]

who tests anything with motion blur

[young pecan]

So it's only used for cryptographic security.

[crimson wigeon]

Really it's probably just so they can hide the telemetry better and obviously TPMs are backdoored ecks dee

[young pecan]

Yeah, that sounds about right.

I can see it being so a platform can be absolutely verified as legitimate and that'd be able to be tied into Windows for more security stuff, but...

Yeah no, MS doesn't care that much.

They'll just shove the telemetry behind it.

[ashen spindle]

I do expect we get more info and maybe there is some good reasons for consumers too

[misty saffron]

allows them to enforce HVCI

[crimson wigeon]

It Is FoR yOuR sEcUrItY

[ashen spindle]

could it affect anything i.R. to WSL?

[misty saffron]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/bringup/device-guard-and-credential-guard

it’s basically just protecting km

[ashen spindle]

would it fuck with riots anti cheat for valorant? lol

[young pecan]

Well yes, it obviously would.

That runs a rootkit as anticheat, no?

I heavily doubt it'd appreciate an actual rootkit.

[ashen spindle]

idk hence my question

[young pecan]

Not a chance HPCI doesn't freak out at a rootkit.

[misty saffron]

nah

maybe with some of the garbage they do

just like every other anticheat

[ashen spindle]

aww too bad

[misty saffron]

mostly not, though

[reef tundra]

Is it because the secure boot process first loads the windows defender/anti-virus/whatever before even letting the windows kernel take over? or somethin?

[ashen spindle]

I just want to see people have more reasons to dislike riot

[misty saffron]

wat

what exactly do you expect to load drivers if kernel isn’t loaded

fairy dust?

[reef tundra]

This is from https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/oem-secure-boot

[misty saffron]

nt is always the first module to get loaded

like, no exceptions

[crimson wigeon]

y tho

[wheat plume]

I'm guessing windows hello

And spyware

Does this mean that if you disable the webcam in bios then they lock you out of using windows?

[reef patrol]

Naw. From the wording it sounds like a demand towards manufacturers, not users.

So ACER and friends won't be allowed to include Windows 11, UNLESS the laptop has a webcam.

[wheat plume]

True I guess

[reef patrol]

Now if they had only included "must be 1080p and not look utter shit" I'd be inclined to agree with MS 😄

[wheat plume]

Xd

[misty saffron]

maybe that’ll be a requirement

who knows

mmmmmm yes

thanks ms

very helpful

[stone vector]

my motherboard has the TPM connector but the modules are extremely hard to find in stores, fuck this...

there is already an easy bypass i might just use that

[ashen spindle]

how old is your pc that your cpu doesn't have it?

[stone vector]

2016

[ashen spindle]

ok, what cpu is it 😛

[stone vector]

Intel Core i7-6800K, mobo x99a sli plus, gtx1080 gpu

[ashen spindle]

ok so activate fTPM in bios and you are good

unless the x99 chipset isn't supporting that

but since skylake they have TPM in their cpus

[stone vector]

my mobo doesnt have it integrated, just this connector

i gotta buy the module

[ashen spindle]

no, ever since skylake on intel it's something in the CPU that just needs to be activated

no separate module needed

[stone vector]

hmm ok ill research it, thanks

i dont see it anywhere in bios tho

[dry tendon]

latest BIOS?

[stone vector]

Yep, not there. Im 99% sure i dont have tpm

[cursive summit]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-RDNA3-GPUs-rumored-to-steal-the-performance-crown-from-Nvidia-Hopper-in-mid-2022-due-to-massive-Infinity-Cache-improvements.547345.0.html

Aren't those for this year too?

I suspect them to be delayed to Q2/Q3 22

[ashen spindle]

this year? nah rdna3 is Q4 2022

maybe Q3

[cursive summit]

What else is launching this year?

Just Elden Lake?

[dry tendon]

LOL

[ashen spindle]

alder lake, Zen 3D

[cursive summit]

DG2 perhaps?

[ashen spindle]

and dg2 yea

[dry tendon]

Zen 3 Vcache, ALder Lake, DG2

[cursive summit]

How is vcache "launching"?

New products based on that tech?

[dry tendon]

RDNA3 should be mostly CU and RT improvement cause current IF is brutal as is

yeah new CPUs with it

https://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/performance-entwicklung-von-ampere-rdna2-seit-herbst-2020

[ashen spindle]

the first products, so far there is no 3d cache cpu on the market

[cursive summit]

Ain't there some Intel products with some sort cache stacking?

They use some sort of glue iirc

At least that's what Hardware Unboxed mentioned

[ashen spindle]

??? how would amd tech be on an intel cpu

[cursive summit]

Mem stacking?

[ashen spindle]

emib and foveros are not TSV

[reef tundra]

A nice glue stick will be used

[cursive summit]

Good old food grade silicon

Or just super glue

[reef tundra]

its even non toxic

[cursive summit]

What a pritt

[zenith sonnet]

FSR definitely looks better there

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/micro-center-slams-amd-gpus-ceo-issues-apology

What

Typically AMD graphics cards are more affordable but can require some modification or regular maintenance to keep working as intended. On the other hand, Nvidia graphics cards function much like video game consoles and essentially work in a plug-and-play fashion. The ease of use and stability of Nvidia GPUs have made them the most popular choice among gamers and streamers. Nvidia cards also support Ray Tracing and DLSS, which work together to provide gamers the highest quality graphics possible without sacrificing frame rates."

So

[reef patrol]

What the hell is he on about.

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/we-paid-for-it-we-bought-that-paid-paid-for-it-was-sold-to-us-gif-15566754

• Nvidia

Classical shill type of statement

[reef patrol]

This is 100% a sponsored post.

[ashen spindle]

what, you didnt like the stable rtx2080ti's with free space invader coming with every card

[cursive summit]

His follow up seems like he was paid by AMD to say otherwise

"Sorry to AMD, we said things without proper background checks. AMD cards provide top of the line perf yada yada ray tracing yada yada FSR yada yada they work normally and just need driver updates"

Is his personality just literally a marketing shill

No wonder he's the CEO then

[ashen spindle]

idk what you think he should've done if that sounds like paid by amd when it's just a hasty apology lmao

[reef patrol]

I have a feeling AMD PR folks were like "Yeah... so you DEFINITELY got paid by nVidia for that shit. So... unless you want us to blacklist you for the next decade or so, you're going to post OUR piece instead as a correction" 😄

[reef tundra]

Lets hope the FCC doesnt notice that and fines them for not disclosing the sponsor of the post.

[ashen spindle]

idk, sounds like it just got public and they noticed backlash before anything even came to amd

[zenith sonnet]

So.. I've been wondering

Anyone made a FSR/DLSS/TAAU review/comparison with screenshots taken during (moderate to fast) motion?