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#🔌│tech
astral haven
You are lying if you say doom was blurry
crimson wigeon
And not just because of the motion blur
astral haven
The only engine I'm aware of that doesn't use ta is source
And sure alyx is crisp asf but it still uses quite a few temporal lighting effects at least
God I wish Nvidia had worked harder on txaa, that was crazy nice aa
crimson wigeon
Was also blurry af tho
astral haven
Also btw, fxaa in modern games works alot better than you would think
It's still pretty bad but it's better than it used to be with msaa on everything
crimson wigeon
Yes that's why I choose whatever isn't "T" if games let me choose
Fewer and fewer give me the option though...
zenith sonnet
If it starts with T or F, I usually just turn it off
astral haven
Show me a screenshot of a game that "gives you the option to turn it off" and I'll tell you if it's off or not
zenith sonnet
Valheim
zenith sonnet
Yeah, Unity
astral haven
Unity has too many versions, if it's a modern version it's gonna have ta
Alot of devs tho use fairly old versions cause they don't want to update
All the (1) vallheim video I've seen had ta artifacts
ashen spindle
err, given that TAA got removed from the newer render pipelines in unity, I'd say it's unlikely that modern versions are more likely to have it
astral haven
Ta is not taa
reef tundra
Also dont forget more samples does not mean better visuals
ashen spindle
what do you mean with TA then
astral haven
Basically anything that uses temporal effects
What most people think of as what taa does, but is actually more generic than specifically taa
reef tundra
Temporal anti-aliasing (TAA) seeks to reduce or remove the effects of temporal aliasing. Temporal aliasing is caused by the sampling rate (i.e. number of frames per second) of a scene being too low compared to the transformation speed of objects inside of the scene; this causes objects to appear to jump or appear at a location instead of giving the impression of smoothly moving towards them. To avoid aliasing artifacts altogether, the sampling rate of a scene must be at least twice as high as the fastest moving object.[1] ||The shutter behavior of the sampling system (typically a camera) strongly influences aliasing, as the overall shape of the exposure over time determines the band-limiting of the system before sampling, an important factor in aliasing. A temporal anti-aliasing filter can be applied to a camera to achieve better band-limiting.[2]|| A common example of temporal aliasing in film is the appearance of vehicle wheels travelling backwards, the so-called wagon-wheel effect. Temporal anti-aliasing can also help to reduce jaggies, making images appear softer.[3]
ashen spindle
I mean you gotta be a bit more specifics, PBR isn't inherently using temporal effects
crimson wigeon
True there's a lot of temporal effects going on as well I don't like them too much either as it just look weird say how shadows might "lag" behind etc
crimson wigeon
Not as distracting as the fullscreen blurfest that is TAA tho
ashen spindle
but aside from the core PBR pipeline anything in unity is optinal, hell you can even fully write your own render pipeline and use it now, so I dont think modern versions inherently use it
astral haven
Alot of the perceived quality in modern games is very subtle and disabling that takes away most things
Also I'm not sure where pbr came into this
reef tundra
TAA is pretty out dated I remember
astral haven
Pbr is alot earlier in the pipeline than shading
The original versions of taa were 2014ish
ashen spindle
you spoke of newer unity versions and so I was assuming you're speaking of the big change to scriptable render pipelines in unity
I guess that doesnt have to do with PBR and idk why I confused myself, you're right there lol
astral haven
🤷♂️ I don't worry about the coding details I just care about the image
ashen spindle
sure, just thought from my point newer unity versions dont inherently have more TA, they just expose more options now
astral haven
Lmao elon
I haven't seen much unity stuff because you just can't get unreal quality, but every single game in unity I have seen has had some effects that aren't possible without temporal effects, be they particles, volumetrics, or ao
ashen spindle
err yeah thats definitely not accurate anymore haha, unity can very well do the same looks as unreal
reef tundra
Interresting SSAA/FSAA deliver a "softer" but more realistic looking image. But is computationally more costly. MSAA is less computationally demanding but lower quality. Atleast what im understanding for reading the docs a litttle.
astral haven
Ue5 is now being used by final production in films now
ashen spindle
ok yes they dont have lumen/nanite and such that epic literally just introduced
so is unity lol
thats nothing new
astral haven
Lmao name one
ashen spindle
pixar
astral haven
Lolno
Pixel exclusively renders in renderman
I mean final pixels that appear on a viewer screen
ashen spindle
was it disney then? might've mistaked that
astral haven
Pixar uses unity for development and previewing
Pixar is the famous one for using unity
But they didn't render final images with it
Gtg but I can assure you noone big is using unity for virtual production direct to camera
reef tundra
Not sure about that.. I would think they rather use blender or some high end rederer in process. Enough to need half an hour to process one frame
ashen spindle
wasnt really thinking about movies anyway when talking about looks of a game engine
reef tundra
Does pixar now also do game development?
ashen spindle
and thats a 3 year old thing in unity and the HDRP has been gotten miles better since then
astral haven
Were unreal
The indoor scene backgrounds and lighting was handled by unreal
astral haven
and thats a 3 year old thing in unity and the HDRP has been gotten miles better ...
Unity can look ok but it requires significantly more time and the best of unreal destroys the best of unity
reef tundra
Unreal does look good when it comes to lighting and particals out of the box
ashen spindle
im no unity evangelist, I just work with it so I am aware of some more things and it certainly isn't as it used to be that you just cant do looks like this in it
sure unreal has direct integration from 3d tools into the engine, but otherwise the building of a scene can be done in very similar times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZobAhgayA if you want something newer
pale sigil
Quinty being protective of unity xD
reef tundra
Game engine and scheme renderer don't have that much difference on a getting shit done level. Import models, give them the ability to move them, make it look nice, export and viola
ashen spindle
read literally two sentences above that post
cursive summit
Saying not protective before being protective 
reef tundra
In game cut scenes exist and are pretty much a milder form of what they would end up making for cinema
Without the restriction of processing taking 30 minutes to render an frame
ashen spindle
yea linking to a year old video is so hyper protective 🙄
reef tundra
In anycase this is good, allows for easier entry to make creative content
reef tundra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZobAhgayA if you want something newer
That looks sick 
astral haven
There's one thing missing tho
"Rendered in realtime on x"
And it has a lot of artifacts that usually wouldn't be present in cinematic showcases
That's really good for a first try but it's not acceptable for a Hollywood film in 2020
The subsurface scattering is really unfortunate
It is so aggressive yet still looks like plastic
ashen spindle
I mean, that's not the target they are mode for so they dont aim at that
astral haven
They specifically mention it in the description lol
ashen spindle
that it's made to be like a hollywood film/trailer?
astral haven
No that they were aiming to make a realistic character
And again why don't they say what hardware they used
ashen spindle
because you can run it yourself, all those projects are on github
astral haven
that is incorrect
the assets are there sure
but wheres the project itself
no full projects
they said they would release it in the future
but its been over a year
ashen spindle
oh hm, never looked at the heretic because it wasn't relevant to me, last big demo I chekced out was the VFX spaceship demo
astral haven
yea that one was just demonstrating proper instanced rendering
which was good
but iirc the interaction with lighting was slow at best and inexistent at worst
I have alot of them
like i have demos
ashen spindle
I was looking at how they put the UI into the VFX graph to get much better performance to see if it was worth the effort for my current project
mega city and book of the dead are also fully available, guess it's really just the heretic thats missing huh
astral haven
uh what
wheres book?
i have adam but not book
yea book is the same as heretic
assets, no projects
also you cant even add them to your account any more
im lucky i already had them
ashen spindle
am I mistaking that for something else 
let me find the github page im thinking of
astral haven
oh yea they also had blacksmith
ashen spindle
my bad, just remembered the images and thought it was book, forgot there was another forest demo of the HDRP
ashen spindle
the biggest issue unity had for the most part was lack of an easy competitor for unreals blueprint based material/shader editor so I'm just glad they are now in a spot where that is not the case anymore
astral haven
being able to pause and look around sometimes isnt the best thing for immersion lol
astral haven
the biggest issue unity had for the most part was lack of an easy competitor for...
The problem is unreal has moved on from that
Unreal is now drag and drop for pretty much everything
ashen spindle
more QoL is always nice, but feature pairty with 3d tools at the very least is good and has already showed how much more people are using it now vs when you had to code it all
astral haven
Compatibility with 3d tools doesn't matter as much when you have more tools built in
Metahumans come to mind lol
ashen spindle
I think it mattered alot since we are seeing so much more content ever since they added it
dont really care if they end up being "better" than unreal however you want to determine that, just more options are always good
also hoping this ever comes out, would be cool to check out many of the things used in this game
thanks discord-not-embedd zzz
my god it is hard to find a twitter embedded link
astral haven
Yeah not arguing that unity can't look good
But it's just not able to create full on realism that is the expectation now
fickle ore
but the best games are made on unity 😛
astral haven
🤷 not arguing about game quality I'm just interested in render quality
Imo they are independent for flat screen games
(for VR it's gotta be clean)
ashen spindle
I would argue the vast minority of games on either engine need or want to be on full realism
astral haven
Realistic lighting and shadows are a requirement whenever there are faces
Ones that are even remotely recognizeable
(and I mean by the face recognizer in the brain not through active thought)
ashen spindle
I mean, for that even meta humans aren't there yet
they are usually doing a good effect of not causing an uncanny valley feeling for sure
but I can still easily see they aren't real
ashen spindle
tbf I havent seem them yet in VR
ashen spindle
oh great lmao
astral haven
But they are absolutely rogue one and mandalorian level
At least for full CGI faces
Worse detail but similar realism
oh man i really enjoy my keyboard being attached to my phone
its so nice
switching back and forth is really surprisingly fast
oh man i can even dismiss the lock screen (with space) if its unlocked from my watch
ashen spindle
using a regular usb kvm for that?
astral haven
nope
logitech switching
bt to the phone
the k780
what i find fantastic is that it supports multiple unifying receivers not just bluetooth devices
1 is on my work pc, 2 is my desktop, and 3 is my phone
man the unifying switch is instant, it takes a quarter of a second to connect to bt and now im noticing it
first world problems lmao
aww the calculator shortcut doesnt work
oh my god the home and back buttons work
wow im not even in dex mode
this is fantastic
logitech really should open source unifying as a standard
it would make peripherals so much better
integrated unifying in computers would be so fantastic
reef tundra
They wont
crisp granite
that's something most gamers have no use for
plus, higher latency than other wireless methods they have
astral haven
well technically no
crisp granite
at least on the MX master 3 and GPW I tested
astral haven
normal unifying devices are limited to 125 or 250hz
however there are people who reverse engineered it and had it running 1khz on custom microcontrollers
and uh
its faaaaast
btw
reef tundra
Well then. you dont need it then
astral haven
the gpw receiver is detected as a unifying receiver by the firmware update tool
i believe the gpw uses the unifying protocol just over a higher speed connection
and no pincus theres a difference between being able to reproduce something physically and legally
the other thing the person did is run unifying at 2khz
and it worked
https://www.overclock.net/threads/8khz-wireless.1791955/
This is also a thing
"slightly less than 120us between when the mouse finishes reading from the sensor,
and when there's data in the usb cable."
Holy smokes you can shave 40us by keeping the radio awake constantly
That's crazy
fickle ore
yeah and uses 3x the power compared :p
fickle ore
then you need to sync SPI to MCU to transceiver to USB which is no small feat; there are gonna be lots of dropped packets once in a while due to jitter 😄
but its still cool
astral haven
Nah
It's 1 way comms for everything interesting
And syncing a sub MHz signal is ultra easy with wires
And since the wireless part is already handled it's fine
fickle ore
I mean yes, flood even confirmed it basically and it only gets worse in a noisy environment
astral haven
"packets are received by the receiver in a timing window of less than 1us. this allows the time between receiving the wireless data and putting it in the usb cable to be minimized."
fickle ore
yes, but it's wireless lol
astral haven
Basically they have 119us of time available for jitter
That's 22 miles of multipathing
There is no way any of those signals can travel 22 miles
ashen spindle
astral haven
Lol glue
If they claim for a nanosecond zeppelin was not glue they are lying their face off
ashen spindle
they aren't
and intels slide calling it glue wasn't technically wrong either
it's just making fun of people saying it's as simple as taking 2 things without thinking about it and put it together with glue
astral haven
Sure
it was pretty much that tho
Like Intel gets zero credit for the xeon 9xxx cpus
ashen spindle
it still needs routing layouts, packaging co design etc. to work
ashen spindle
that is pretty much what they also say xD
ashen spindle
and trento will be greater and same for genoa 
astral haven
"IFOP SerDes have been carefully optimized for shorter package substrate route lengths and achieves a power efficiency of ~2pJ per bit. "
Yea this leaves out the minor detail of 100w idle power... (Actual idle power is like 80w but shh)
ashen spindle
is that just a design flaw, does it come from IOD being on GF 12nm or a mix of both?
astral haven
Its not from n12 itself
Zeppelin didn't have the same problem
None of the monoliths had the issue basically so it seems it's an iodie problem
And it is a direct issue with the chip themselves not the infinity fabric since x570 itself has the same issue
ashen spindle
well yeah gf12 is not the most advanced not but not that bad that it in general would cause the issues, I guess we will see with future io dies how much comes from just changing process node
astral haven
Thing is zeppelin was better lol
35w total idle power instead of nearly 100 (package)
ashen spindle
more lanes and they are now pcie4? not sure if the iod can downscale it to use less power if its not needed to be used in gen4 mode maybe?
ashen spindle
does planning for it maybe limited the design and it needs to be made in a less efficent way for off state? im just guessing really
astral haven
Well it might be that AMD isn't properly disabling pcie but that would be so incredibly dumb that I don't believe that
Actually no it's not pcie
X570 significantly increases in power when running pcie ssds
ashen spindle
oh right
astral haven
But x570 still has the same idle draw issue
young pecan
?
young pecan
The fuck? Go for it!! xD
pale sigil
Pretty good even after tax
crisp granite
:D
young pecan
Kidding? CAD and AUD are about the same.
crisp granite
my dad is finally gonna have a kickass gaming rig
young pecan
That’s half off MSRP right now.
young pecan
Fine, fine. I use the wrong term.
crisp granite
MSRP has not changed
it has here, but not by that much
young pecan
Honestly, mine on that card on the off hours.
Free card in something near ish 6 months atm.
crisp granite
Honestly, mine on that card on the off hours.
no
if I brick it
it's my dad's gaming rig
young pecan
Can’t brick a card by mining on it.
crisp granite
Aeon
young pecan
Just... don’t ever flash a GPU BIOS.
crisp granite
I can fuck it up in the setup of it
young pecan
Risky move regardless.
pale sigil
how do you fuck up installing an exe
young pecan
Pfff. How? It’s a 3070. You plug it in and go.
Not like it needs Ethlargement or something to work.
crisp granite
look, I don't want to do anything that could possibly mess up his card
I've been trying to snag one for him for...literally half a year now
young pecan
shrugs Your loss.
young pecan
Mining is so easy, it’s great.
What isn’t great is my server PSU freaking out rn.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
- HP 1200W 1U PSU
crisp granite
stocks and crypto trading are basically the same in practice
just crypto lacks the safeguards
crisp granite
¯_(ツ)_/¯
universal market integrity rules
such things don't exist for crypto...yet
crisp granite
true
young pecan
Ergo universal rules won’t take on, ever.
crisp granite
which is why most governments won't adopt it
young pecan
At most we’ll get a gentlemen’s agreement.
Who wants governments to adopt crypto? I’m fine if they don’t.
true quest
pinky promise
young pecan
Government adoption is risky for a LOT of currencies.
At most I’d like crypto backed by the financial state of the country for each major country that can be fucked making one.
crisp granite
look, Aeon, I'll use whatever is accepted in my country as valid currency
if it was bitcoin, you bet your ass I'd be using it
crisp granite
for now, that's these fuckers
if that changes, I too will change
anyway
just pounced on that GPU deal
feelin' real good
astral haven
thanks razer lol
astral haven
they are just speakers
crisp granite
great
so that everyone else on the subway train can hear "Stayin' Alive" by the Bee Gees
instead of just me
thanks Satan Santa, just what I wanted for christmas
astral haven
apparently its not easy to hear in a less than silent environment
crisp granite
oh, and I can look really fucking stupid while blasting my music in public places in hopes of hearing it over all the noise
crisp granite
what dystopian shithole do you live in?
astral haven
you arent allowed to when driving
crisp granite
that's why I don't drive much
and of course, I don't wear them driving
🙄
but whenever I can, I wear 'em
I think my current pair is an impulse buy razer opus
astral haven
when you are walking you arent moving 2 tons of metal
unless you are in which case uh
hello mr terminator
crisp granite
when you are walking you arent moving 2 tons of metal
I know, it's just that life outside is noisy and I'm super sensitive to noise
astral haven
🤷♂️ get rekt
crisp granite
I look like less of a lunatic when I can't hear shit as opposed to flinching at every little noise
young pecan
And uhh.
You don't have to be wearing sunnies while you wear headphones with inductives.
These sound supremely useless any time it's overcast or nighttime.
young pecan
It's like integrating the bowl into the spoon.
crisp granite
It's like integrating the bowl into the spoon.
boi
give me 5 minutes
I'll do that
the...spoowl
young pecan
Just switched my ISP.
After 6 long years of loyalty to Optus they decided that a 10% discount on a $40 plan was an appropriate offering.
Lmfao
Pay 135 a month for years and downgrade because their shit just isn't worth the price, they proceed to be dumbasses.
The plan itself isn't even up to snuff compared to aussie broadband.
young pecan
Hmm. Anyone got some good ideas for more screen area? Running super low on it since I need so much shit open, I thonk it's time for an upgrade.
Thinking just vesa another 2 displays above my current 2, but is there some actually good software for splitting bigger shit like 4 and 8k displays? I want effective 2k.
:L
reef tundra
Then volunteer to sue them on behalf of noctua
reef tundra
Is it holding on with a wire?
old marlin
that is normal
I meant the amount of used finstack
right where the fan has the most power and airflow
same at the top btw
reef tundra
Unless there is some aerodynamic reason to do that. You would want the heat pipe as short as possible
old marlin
doesn't matter thaaaat much how long it is
tbh
at least in the length CPU coolers are dealing with
reef tundra
Atleast you want to start to use heat spreaders as soon as possible to give the heatsink better effective ability to carry heat away
old marlin
yea
that is why you want the finstack to start down low
where the fan has a lot of power
and if the fan is taller than the heatsink you might as well extend it to the highest point of the fan while it is in the lowest position
so you can use the powerful area at the top
reef tundra
Even just a small bit would help as whatever it take away already doesnt have to travel upwards the heat pipe but already dealt with
Plus the hotter the fins the more they radiate away
wheat plume
I am on Windows 20H2
Is it likely to kill the bootloader if I update to whatever version its giving me?
Cause if it breaks the bootloader then fml .-. Have to reinstall 2 OS's
Cause they no longer show up in BIOS or GRUB
how reinstall bootloader on Windows?
o
I swear I removed that label... wtf
Anyway, this is my Windows drive
Yeah, but its mostly windows that dissapears from bios
I assume UEFI cause this is new system
If I use gparted to remove that label... will it fuck things up?
"SteamGames"
I can in gparted
oh, misread that
Why is the reserved partition etx4? I thought windows cant read that
reef tundra
osprober
wheat plume
oh....whats it doing on my windows ssd?
reef tundra
Os prober is needed to allow the grub config maker to mount and check partiotions
wheat plume
Ahh... so it sort of injects itself into the boot partition on each OS?
reef tundra
You will also need NTFS-3G to give it even give the system the ability to read those windows ntfs partitions
reef tundra
Nah, it just adds some new registry items to the uefi and grub
halcyon moss
thankfully i havent had windows mess up the grub bootloader in a while
one time a bios update reset the boot order though
reef tundra
Tells em, which uuid it has to bother at what point to figure out how to boot the thing
wheat plume
thankfully i havent had windows mess up the grub bootloader in a while
so it should be safe to update windows?
reef tundra
No, the updater is known to fuck over windows native bootloader aswell
halcyon moss
it should have been for years already
wheat plume
nope ;-;
reef tundra
Nothing is safe
wheat plume
even when not dualbooting, windows updates ahave deleted files and broken
reef tundra
I just let it call the windows bootloader via grub
halcyon moss
well ive been running it on this laptop from the start /shrug
of course, this is the way
wait, are you talking about letting the win bootloader call grub?
reef tundra
No first grub
which then either loaded my kernel/reservekernel or windows bootlloader
halcyon moss
of course first grub! 😛
reef tundra
By default it automagically just starts up linux
wheat plume
Linux is first in my BIOS boot order so that GRUB can load, and from there it can go to Linux or Windows
reef tundra
Holding shift or rebooting it and setting a one time trigger will load windows instead
I dont need an entire kernel to run grub
cursive summit
crimson wigeon
Beauty
wheat plume
oooohh
reef patrol
I mean OSX is like... two decades at this point 😛
wheat plume
yep
zenith sonnet
Hmm. Anyone got some good ideas for more screen area? Running super low on it si...
On Windows? Virtual desktops
wheat plume
On Windows? Virtual desktops
On any OS? Virtual Desktop :P
young pecan
Basically comes down to what the best upgrade path is. :L
wheat plume
What you have currently?
young pecan
2 32 inch 1440p displays.
wheat plume
o.o danng
young pecan
I could buy another 2 for a total of 4, or I could buy an Odyssey G9 or something for my primary and use some software to divvy up the screen.
Or I go for 3 more displays, rotate my desk, and flip them so they're vertical displays to save room.
Idk.
Anyone got experience with the issues of running 4 to 5 displays off one PC?
Y'know, aside from needing multiple GPUs for the ports. :P
ashen spindle
get a sku with more ports so it can run more screen 😛
young pecan
Well yeah, but that comes at the cost of game performance since it'd need to run 3 or 4 2k displays alongside the game. :P
reef tundra
Moving some homework huh
fair gull
more like some homework
pale sigil
All hentai
crisp granite
pale sigil
Drive to drive?
fair gull
Drive to drive?
external to nvme
pale sigil
Tony does that for nhentai
thick elk
I wonder if people actually name their porn folder homework or if that is just a meme. Personally had a personal system noone else had access to for as long as I have been viewing porn so it was never an issue.
fair gull
That’s the rule34 mass rip drive. <:ok69:650808480114147335>
my gdrives have terabytes of hentai
young pecan
Ayyy lmao
pale sigil
I wonder if people actually name their porn folder homework or if that is just a...
When i was little I just called it other xD
young pecan
Just hide the drive behind a bitlocker password. 👌
Nobody normal is getting through that encryption anyway.
reef tundra
I label it as the dead cat
pale sigil
Wish I had a lot of ssd storage
thick elk
I have weird cryptic names only I understand or understood like dldf
young pecan
If you have someone with the equipment to get through bitlocker fucking around in your PC you have other problems. 
thick elk
it's really only for keeping the file history clean. Same as using a separate browser session.
or separate browser on my phone.
crisp granite
https://youtu.be/Fw5UHFTl--0
young pecan
Who even wants a passive cooler?
crisp granite
me
reef tundra
Me
young pecan
Just throw a delta fan on a Noctua heatsink. 
cursive summit
Who even wants a passive cooler?
MacBooks
pale sigil
Really wish i had a server too
young pecan
Lmao
fair gull
Really wish i had a server too
got 2
reef tundra
Really wish i had a server too
Just start up your X11 server
young pecan
I need to get some 4U racks in. :L
reef tundra
If you need some racks go to the ikea or plastic surgeon or something
fair gull
so a UUUU rack
wheat plume
I found the best damn color picker ever :DD
fair gull
wha
im confused
imo googles picker is plenty good
i can pick a color
and thats all a color picker does
wheat plume
googles one?
wheat plume
I did, it doesnt let you pick a color from the screen though
wheat plume
I wanted to change the accent color of my theme to match the wallpaper
wheat plume
That just sets the accent color for UWP apps
ashen spindle
and then install unity because that color picker also works everywhere 
wheat plume
and titlebar
fair gull
time to use another text chat the linux nerds started conversing
reef tundra
Why not just bother the X compositor about it
reef tundra
And why bother with choosing accent colours when you have a script automatically change it based on your wallpaper
reef tundra
The GTK is a tumor
reef tundra
You wot mate
reef tundra
Ew looks too gnome
wheat plume
Funny you say that.... Adwaita is going flatter in the next release and Elementary seems to be going less flat
wheat plume
xcb?
reef tundra
X protocol C-language Binding
wheat plume
oh..hm
fair gull
wouldnt that be xpclb
wheat plume
th linux world is bad at acroynms
we have GIMP like... CMON!
fair gull
should be GNU/IMP
reef tundra
Not really, anything X related gets shorthanded to X. You know C is a programming language since you are working in in to us it and The less letters the better
wheat plume
I like the idea behind the GIMP fork called Glimpse
THey jsut took GIMP and rebranded it to Glimpse to be more family friendly with the name
but the way they did it.... no thanks
reef tundra
Forks are to eat
wheat plume
xd
fair gull
tmw lana doesnt get the joke
wheat plume
?
reef tundra
It was made with magic
fair gull
?
the github website correctly displays the at least 6k contributors
third party apps cant cause the api wont habd out a list so long
due to the extra info attached to contributors
wheat plume
oohhhh
fair gull
likes lines added and deleted
i think there was also a weird handling case before mircosoft bought github where the linux repo had one of the stats just display the infinity symbol
reef tundra
Added so much the screen now doesnt load
fair gull
11575 is the correct contributor number of linux repo
and 1015170 commits
best part of it all
only 1 branch
and its called master
fuck yeah
wheat plume
O.o
crimson wigeon
For now
zenith sonnet
Video? That's an image
reef tundra
reef tundra
So they stole the idea of this guy
wheat plume
huh?
cursive summit
Win11
reef tundra
Nah it looks discombobulated
true quest
ew
wheat plume
There is like 3 UI designs in that screenshot 🤮
reef tundra
Inconsistent Design.
Live Tiles on Mac.
Automatic Updates.
Notepad and Internet Explorer are now on macOS.
Fluent Design in some places.
wheat plume
Even within UWP apps, the Fluent Design is not consistent
Sometimes they have the hover effect
Somewtimes more blur on the side panel than other apps
Sometime less
Sometimes not at all
reef tundra
Fluent Design in some places.
https://youtu.be/w-z_Sgz-NGQ
crimson wigeon
Those rounded corners look so tacky
wheat plume
Same
wheat plume
Yaru GTK theme with Blue accents
Boston icon set
:D I like this
misty saffron
https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/15/22535123/microsoft-windows-11-leak-screenshot...
not just screenshots
iso leaked too
wheat plume
O.o
ashen spindle
insert drake meme of "ew beta testing windows / mhhm yes, using "leaked" iso for windows"
wheat plume
That's just windows 10 with round corners and the 10X start menu
ashen spindle
ah fair enough
misty saffron
maybe they did something with dse finally
ashen spindle
idk why I keep forgetting what you do, it's uncommon enough that I should remember it easily lol
wheat plume
Huh?
ashen spindle
well there are at the very minimum changes in the scheduler to work with intels hybrid design
and I assume that alone has a rat tail of needed changes with it
misty saffron
i'm more interested in whether they improved patchguard
crimson wigeon
Probably not
Well... might as well try it and log in to my MS account on it, get flagged
misty saffron
if they somehow invented some patch checks on steroids for ci.dll
gonna be a disaster for what i do
that oobe is cute
wheat plume
Edge?
misty saffron
oobe
wheat plume
Out of the box experience?
crimson wigeon
Are they gonna bring back OOBE music tho
wheat plume
Wait
Is this the new setup screen??!!
wheat plume
Hmm
misty saffron
the new sounds are nice
crimson wigeon
Okay that sounds good I absolutely loathe the current 10 bell sound
wheat plume
New sounds oo
crimson wigeon
Hopefully the replacement is a lot more tolerable
misty saffron
gonna record all new sounds in a sec
crimson wigeon
Just pull them out and pack 'em up
misty saffron
rounded corners only work with display drivers installed
this just doesn't look right
wheat plume
IS THAT NEW FOLDER ICONS??!!
crimson wigeon
New icons are already in the current public insider build
wheat plume
Can't play on phone
I listen after eat
misty saffron
crimson wigeon
Oh these megashadows on windows, reminds me of how it was in the first W10 insider builds
misty saffron
the animations for new windows though
crimson wigeon
Can't access task manager through taskbar reeeeee
misty saffron
just pin the icon
crimson wigeon
Who pins icons
misty saffron
well
in case anyone else wants those
i wonder if microsoft uploaded symbols
:D
nope they didn't
fuck
crimson wigeon
driver signature enforcement?
crimson wigeon
Sounds good, who'd want to use test mode anyway
misty saffron
can't really make customers enable test mode
crimson wigeon
Meh this really just seems like some visual tweaks on an old cruddy base
As expected!
gilded oriole
What do y'all think of curved monitors
gilded oriole
Why's that
misty saffron
what exactly would be the point of the curve with 16:9
gilded oriole
shrug
misty saffron
i understand curved ultrawides - kinda wanna minimize the distance between your eyes and the edges of the monitor
gilded oriole
My first gaming monitor (the one I have never replaced) is an... Asus Mag24C...?
I'm thinking of getting something to replace it
I got it on sale.
gilded oriole
I do like the curve too, personally
misty saffron
your opinion doesn't matter vexx
gilded oriole
It's been a while since I've used a flat one
cursive summit
your opinion doesn't matter vexx
I love you too my bratan
gilded oriole
So I don't really have something to compare it to atm
gilded oriole
I'm wondering if I can get a 1440p 144 hz curved monitor- though I'm getting a new processor and graphics card before then
gilded oriole
my neck said thank you
I'm 6'4", I need it
Lol
I am gonna get one of those things that let you suspend your monitor and move it around in midair
misty saffron
this height difference kinda pisses me off though
gilded oriole
And yeah I'm gonna wait for crypto to burn out and the microchip shortage to simmer down before I build my new pc
My current specs are peak middle of the road lol
gilded oriole
I'm gonna learn to use Linux and VMs as well for that new PC
Spend 90% of my time in different VMs
Maybe figure out how to get Hacknitosh on there too
gilded oriole
Best of all worlds... Even though I hate Apple
... Can you like, "tab out" of a VM
gilded oriole
I want an i7 and a 3070 personally
gilded oriole
Eh, I was initially on it for the Dolphin Emulator
It works better on Intel
But apparently that gap was closed in recent years
misty saffron
bought ryzen just because intel can't offer a 16 core for 1k usd
misty saffron
well, my 3950x can pull 4ghz at 1.25v on all cores
gilded oriole
I'm guessing there's no games you can't run at ultra 144 hz lol
misty saffron
gpu is the bottleneck...
gilded oriole
What's the GPU
misty saffron
2080
gilded oriole
... Since when???
ashen spindle
since zen3
gilded oriole
That's a power move by amd, geez
misty saffron
i wanted to buy a 3090 but i refuse to spend 5k usd on that lmao
ashen spindle
depends on settings/resolution etc.
gilded oriole
I eventually want to run 1440p 144 hz smoothly at ultra
I don't really care about 4k rn
Also a lot of older games just can't run past 1080p
I hope Titanfall 2 can, best movement shooter
... out of curiosity, is there a version of Linux catered towards using VMs
misty saffron
@wheat plume
wheat plume
huh?
gilded oriole
I'll probably have one for gaming, one for doing the art stuff I do on occasion, one for work, etc
crimson wigeon
ecks dee
gilded oriole
They level of compartmentalizing sounds... mmm
Pleases my brain.
Also means I can have a VM to just dick around with lol
astral haven
dolphin runs better on amd now
It uses avx512 so 11th gen does do better
ashen spindle
ah didnt know that and just took the zen3 results assuming rocket lake was just the same
astral haven
Naup
ashen spindle
well, extremely close at least then
astral haven
Yaup
crimson wigeon
Intel wins yet again why would anyone go poorMD
astral haven
And generally Intel does better when running ocs
gilded oriole
I don't really OC.
astral haven
Running ram over 3200 counts
gilded oriole
That REQUIRES overclocking?
astral haven
Yep
ashen spindle
turning on XMP is overclocking yea
astral haven
Or docp
gilded oriole
Well damn
ashen spindle
I just realized that might be an important thing for ddr5, if jedec specs are good enough we might not run into issues with prebuilts of zen4 on onwards being crippled from memory sticks
would be a nice customer feature if oem's cant screw that up anymore 
but I'll probably foget about that till zen4 comes out end of next year lol
gilded oriole
Zen is CPU, yeah
astral haven
I just realized that might be an important thing for ddr5, if jedec specs are g...
No dice, jdec ddr5 is very very high latency
Over 100ns expected
ashen spindle
but if the IF clock is still tied to memclock, maybe that still makes it better compared to how it is now?
it's not going to be optimal without breaking jedec sure, but I'm just hoping the baseline gets better
ashen spindle
meh unfortunate
astral haven
And if AMD doesn't throw in a .33 clock divisor it won't run on /3
ashen spindle
but in theory it could at least turn out in a way that ram oc on intel/amd brings out about the same benefit and not vastly more for one side right?
thick elk
Just for reference as far as I understand XMP is not a memory overclock, it's a cpu overclock.
As having an XMP profile mostly means the memory stick itself is validated for said speed.
ashen spindle
I guess technically it's both?
it puts more load on the cpu's memory controller and it goes above what the kits is rated for, as the company putting xmp specs on it isn't the one making it for those specs
misty saffron
god i hate arguing with children
somebody just said microsoft is shit because they didn’t redesign regedit
ashen spindle
misty saffron
and praised apple for apparently doing that for apps of similar obscurity in macos
meanwhile macos:
mind telling me how that is a redesign and not just a general change of cocoa controls?
ashen spindle
reminds me of the guy who ditched firefox for chrome because he said he got annoyed at them increasing version numbers too fast
so instead of 10 to 40 in a year he only uses 10.1 to 11.5 in a year or so I guess
still not sure I actually understand him
misty saffron
me and my homies at microsoft spending money redesigning apps which 0.00001% of the userbase uses
reef tundra
For system administration function > looks
misty saffron
you don’t get it, hh.exe should be remade with winui 3…
reef patrol
somebody just said microsoft is shit because they didn’t redesign **regedit**
They aren't wrong.
misty saffron
at the same time, no sane software company would do that
reef patrol
Nothing preventing them from making a temporary overlay that reads the old and adds the new.
I mean we're literally talking about the company that copies EVERY SINGLE driver for a 32bit version folder.
As well as a 32bit registry
misty saffron
you gotta pay people to do that
reef patrol
Ah yes. Microsoft. The poorest company on earth. 
misty saffron
capitalism is capitalism
nobody would spend extra cash just because they’re rich
well, maybe on a yacht
reef tundra
I mean anyone can do that for them, they exposed the functionality for commandline aswell. Just need to be willing to fuck up your registry and loads of free time to make the ui one seeks
Usually when microsoft redesigns something all it means is less functionality so you wont use it anyway
reef patrol
Microsoft: No let's not redesign a system that's been there since ...Win95? 98SE?
Also Microsoft: LOL WEATHER WIDGET THAT DOESNT SCALE PAST 1080
I don't think Windows development is motivated by money as much as idiot project managers and higher ups.
reef tundra
Also refusing to adopt posix having to develop special cases to use the outdated libraries
thick elk
The problem with windows is that they don't feel like they are competing with anything.
At it's core the users will just stay windows and accept it's kind of meh
reef tundra
Remember capitalism breeds innovation
misty saffron
tbf they really like their backwards compatibility
reef tundra
Intel really really like backwards compatibility
thick elk
Windows backwards compatibility is something I would have to give them credit for.
misty saffron
i’m not sure what exactly you mean by that
reef tundra
You can run code written for 8008 processors on modern cpus without issue. in theory
misty saffron
that’s not backwards compatibility
you either fully support x86 or you don’t
also i doubt 8008 is x86
zenith sonnet
I eventually want to run 1440p 144 hz smoothly at ultra
In that case, AMD is ahead
misty saffron
steve jobs had many great traits you just don’t see in people nowadays
hell, apparently dude told designers to fuck off just because he knew they didn’t do as well as he wanted
fucking legend
reef tundra
So psychotic people are legends?
cursive summit
Thank you for actually trusting me enough to believe I will do anything worthwhile in this world 
But I believe you will be sorely disappointed
reef tundra
*augmentist
reef tundra
zenith sonnet
Haven't seen that one in a while
neat oriole
shadow minnow
Hmm, looks very original
I mean, stealing ideas and stuff is normal but stealing the whole design, and making it so similar. Also the exact same advertising https://twitter.com/madhavsheth1/status/1402513402547736579?s=21
young pecan
So that fuckin' Windows 11 leak is pretty damn pog.
Kinda cool, everything is a little smoother.
Some good functionality in that settings menus now take you to control panel.
And control panel got a visual overhaul. :D
Smoother icons, everything is spaced just a little nicer.
Idk, I like it.
shrugs All of the innovation I need I just install with 3rd party apps, I like a little redesign here and there.
Even if MS did syntax highlighting with notepad I'd still use an IDE since they're better. Probably Atom.
It kinda works with everything though, does it not?
I don't tend to keep things stock regardless, no matter how good they are.
What do you mean on that?
Yeah, nothing changed on Device Manager except new icons.
No change yet.
Mixer is slightly different.
This is still the same.
Not much has changed yet, when's this planned for going out?
I do like file manager now.
The spacing is nice, I think.
Do you need to see literally every item in the entire folder at once?
'Cause if you do the old system wasn't great for that either.
It was alright at best.
Better 3rd party apps.
Not wrong.
Just holy fuck, give me VoiceMeeter Potato install as default.
I'm currently using Voicemeeter Potato/Roon/Mixer for my setup.
I suppose I could integrate EarTrumpet back into my system.
Sure, but I don't actually use that.
shadow minnow
Kinda cool, everything is a little smoother.
Tbh prefer it over windows 10 but don’t like the UI being centered, hope it’s possible to set it to not be centered. But about the wallpaper Find it too centered, lacking things around the center part, which I find quite important when center part is mostly about just colors.
young pecan
It's all able to be changed.
shadow minnow
That’s Pog. Since the rounded corners themselves imo look better and just moving UI and using wallpaper engine will definitely make it better than windows 10
wheat plume
I do like file manager now.
The icons looks like they are from 2021
The UI design is still windows 95 xd
Does Firefox respect the rounded corners?
Or is it pixelated as fuck like previously?
young pecan
Idk. I’ll check when home.
Or y’know what...
Windows 11 ISO.
Can confirm it’s fine.
wheat plume
I'm in bed xd
young pecan
And uhh. Don’t try running it as the main OS, it’s buggy as hell.
halcyon moss
not event as you main game os
wheat plume
It's my game os if it won't work on Linux
wheat plume
^
young pecan
And user friendliness.
wheat plume
The rest is all down sides
young pecan
Linux has basically nothing in user friendliness.
wheat plume
I'd argue that once Linux is installed
It's easier to use
young pecan
Sure, but if you’re fine with KDE you’re not the target of the question, are you?
Mm.
wheat plume
I admit
Accessibility options in linux are pretty crap but in terms of user friendliness otherwise it's fine
young pecan
So it’s either Windows or OSx, and Apple can’t do user friendliness for shit.
young pecan
I admit
Accessibility options in linux are pretty crap but in terms of user frie...
Yeah no, an inexperienced user trying to browse email or write word isn’t using Linux for shit, that’s a dumb idea since it’s unbelievably user unfriendly.
wheat plume
They could do that as easily as Windows though.... What's your point?
young pecan
JUsT uSE KaLi!!
wheat plume
Ewxd
young pecan
@wheat plume Terminals scare people.
shrugs Terminal scares people, all most users want is click the thing and it runs.
wheat plume
<@361968952592826378> Terminals scare people.
I only use terminal to update
And then, I don't have to
I could use pamac GUI
young pecan
And then, installing ubuntu and simply running Libre writer apps is easy, but if almost anything screws up they’re basically completely out of their depth.
wheat plume
Solus always has a special place in my heart!
It's my first distro installed on my desktop xd
And the only one that worked with the mouse I had at the time
young pecan
If it needs to be fixed with CLI most people are unable or too scared to touch it.
young pecan
Remember bois, most users are idiots without thumbs.
wheat plume
True
Manjaro really triggers me
It holds back repo packages but not AUR
so it's possible that some dependencies are too new for some repo packages
I've had no issues at all with ArcoLinuxD ❤️
Mint is so fucking boring xd
Dark grey background
Like xmon
Add color please
They have such pretty wallpaper installed and they choose the most boring dull one to use a default
No
Elementary can't use PPA without running a command to install support
And it tries to warn you that software could be a virus everytime you want to install something if it's not a curated app made specifically for elementary
Oh no! Are you sure you want to install Firefox? It could be a virus cause the elementary team haven't examined it yet!
It's a pop-up with a bright red warning symbol on it
That would turn most people off installing something
"Hmm.... It says it might be dangerous but it works fine on windows
Linux is bad"
I may just be over thinking xd about this
OO Dash to Panel finally on Gnome 40 :D
oh yeh, Arco supports the chaotic AUR if you want it
zenith sonnet
The icons looks like they are from 2021
The UI design is still windows 95 xd
Have you even used 95?
wheat plume
The sidebar is much wider now 🤔
young pecan
Hmm.