🔌│tech

[cursive summit]

Filthy dirty plunderers

[halcyon moss]

EU and the US wanting more chips on own soil, there will be a big increase in capacity then. not anytime soon though.

[pale sigil]

Hmm maybe I won't swap my 3080 for a 3070ti

[ashen spindle]

you speak like you could just get one

[crisp granite]

tbh

if he puts his mind to it, he'll get one

by 2025

[halcyon moss]

@pale sigil just keep yer fracking 3080

[pale sigil]

I got my 3080 didn't i

[ashen spindle]

I mean if you want a 70ti for more than you paid for your 80 I guess

wouldnt make too much sense though

[pale sigil]

Well Jo

[reef tundra]

Its newer

[pale sigil]

No

I meant if I could get it close to msrp lol

Which ofc ain't happening

But j was going got try at least

But now I'm not

[ashen spindle]

so my point was valid still 😛

[young pecan]

Just undo price inflation.

Ctrl + X scalpers.

[crisp granite]

no

ctrl alt delete that shit, and uninstall it in the apps section of settings

[young pecan]

Just...

Ctrl X and paste in an oven.

[crisp granite]

get it off of the system called global market

[young pecan]

Pog.

[pale sigil]

And clean reg files

[crisp granite]

one of those traditional turkic bread ovens that can get to over 1000 degrees

[young pecan]

Lmfao what?

[crisp granite]

:)

[young pecan]

Why does the temp need be so high?

[crisp granite]

because it cooks the flatbread fast

[pale sigil]

Why not?

[crisp granite]

cooking the outside to keep the bread rigid

while keeping the inside soft

[young pecan]

Ah right. I getchu.

Makes sense.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/58-145bvu_8

[wheat plume]

mmm, yes
the best timestamp

[thick elk]

As greedy as the increased msrp of the 3070ti / 3080ti is, price is mostly dictated by supply and demand. As long as there is not enough supply at msrp, I really don't care if Nvidia eats the margin or the board partners / distributers / stores / scalpers. End result is mostly the same assuming you are not constantly trying to snipe drops at lower prices.

[shadow minnow]

My country had so far 0 stock of GPU I want

I mean it was in stock in caseking which I could get it shipped from but because of current demand gigabyte has literally doubled the MSRP for now

[thick elk]

I can wait, things will calm down eventually. Personally really would not mind if amd / nvidia just set their prices dynamically based on demand instead of holding an MSRP which really does not match the economic reality.

In case of amd it would also motivate them to allocate more wafers to gpu's vs cpu's.

[shadow minnow]

For me it would not help since I am not buying the GPUs at that crazy prices. Really hope the demand goes down so reseller return prices

And demand may go down not because of demand itself but because of less people buying at cub a crazy prices

So prices going a bit down

1800€ for 3080 in normal store since it is from AiB

Is too much

[thick elk]

In a sense it would help as it incentivise a faster ramp-up in production which in turn would satisfy people paying higher prices more.
Maybe a 6800xt would no longer cost € 1400 that way but € 950 which is still above msrp but a lot better.

[shadow minnow]

So many of my downloaded songs on Apple Music have losses support which is quite Pog

[ashen spindle]

nope, contracts with console makers, you can use ryzen chips for epyc server processors and that is much more important than gpu at any level

[astral haven]

And cpus are so much more profitable than gpus its not even funny

6800xt has a cost of like $500
5950x has a cost of like 150

Better to make 4 5950x than any gpus at all

[ashen spindle]

and a 5950x is basically leftover/not good enough stock of epycs that have a much higher margin

Meh I don’t need new stuff until like 23 and then the new stuff will just be out

Nah Q4 2022 for rdna3/zen4

Yeah enjoy the outdated fab it will be by then

american numbers

[crisp granite]

to be fair, that is the case here as well, mainly because it's a lot of foreign people buying land and property without ever actually setting foot in canada

or even living in canada

leaving any property on the market costing several million

factor in that less than 10% of households pull in 100k or more per year

[reef tundra]

But owning stuff is so much work. You have to figure out how you collect as much money and avoid as much taxes

[crisp granite]

I'm probably never gonna own a home here without my parents helping me make a down payment

and that bothers me

🙄

this is one of the many reasons I feel that there isn't much of a future in canada for me

[reef tundra]

Intentionally keep the asking price unreasonably high to make it seem to the bank it is financially sound scheme

[crisp granite]

I will likely not own my own home when I'm 35

[reef tundra]

Cant have the illusion that land is not that valuable as we make it seem to be burst. lots of money will go poof

[crisp granite]

I seriously would want to own my own home, as a safety net of sorts

not tied to a bank who can take it from me in the blink of an eye if I lose my job or something else bad happens

tell me about it

my parents bought a house a few years before I was born, for $400k

they're getting offers for 2.5 million rn (that's actually several hundred thousand lower than what people would pay)

the housing market here is fucking nuts

[reef tundra]

Not really. Especially in large cities, it gets overvalueded

[crisp granite]

yeah, everything else is for rent from private owners in my city

and the rights as a tenant in one of those is awful

you just need 48 hours notice before they do anything

[reef tundra]

Reason why the 2008 recession happened. Seems they havent learned much and it will happen again

[crisp granite]

they could say "I plan on selling this, the home you rent, open house on friday, make it presentable by then"

and you have to comply, as long as you had 48 hours notice or more

so fucking brutal

🤮

[reef tundra]

Here there is strong tenant laws protecting you. As long as you pay, you cant be evicted without court order

[crisp granite]

pinch

same here for commercial landlords

we just have two systems, one for commercial landlords, one for private owners

the issue is that every property here is privately owned and for rent

[reef tundra]

Even subletting is protected here. Thats why banks dont allow that here, makes the repossession process way more tedious otherwise.

[crisp granite]

should just pay the landlords parts of the rent

that's got to happen

[reef tundra]

Honestly, you should not rent it out if you cant affort the risk of no payment

[crisp granite]

can't operate at a loss

[crisp granite]

people here actually buy properties and finance with renting it out

hopefully I can snipe a foreclosed home or condo from someone being late on payments 🤞

dude

that would be hilarious

[reef tundra]

Nah, they dont want to open that can of worms. Especially red states dont

[crisp granite]

they would actually

one less solid bloo state voting in elections and sending representatives to washington

[reef tundra]

but, you set the precedent that stateship can be taken away from them. If one can, why not the rest

[crisp granite]

through extraordinary means and reasons

or just being stupid and ceding from the union, fighting a civil war and losing

[reef tundra]

Like high treason against the government

[crisp granite]

dude

high treason

isn't that something america does every now and then?

like what happened last January?

by definition, it was terrorism, and treason at the same time

should be tried as traitors and terrorists

[reef tundra]

High treason is just the highest level of treason. Trying to disable the governments highest functions.

Trying to invade and witch hunt the politicians would be meeting that criteria

[crisp granite]

and doing so with the intention of overthrowing an election is a political goal, conducted through violence

or

terrorism

so, why haven't they been rounded up and shot for what they've done?

this sets a really, really bad precedent for the US, same one from the US civil war

treason and terrorism is perfectly OK as long as it's domestic

🙄

[reef tundra]

18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions

[crisp granite]

dude

none of them are getting charged with domestic terrorism

that may as well be overglorified toilet paper

hey, they truly are digging their own graves rn

protecting domestic terrorists

[astral haven]

Who is committing treason what?

[crisp granite]

oh

the "tourists" who stormed the US capitol on january 6th

with the intention of "hanging mike pence"

[astral haven]

Yea but they were mostly wasps so nothing will happen

[crisp granite]

protecting those who protect terrorists are illegal...

lol

[astral haven]

They absolutely committed high treason
If they weren't wasps there would have been many people shot as "self defense"

But how about we instead talk about technology?

[reef tundra]

Also keep in mind the procecution is being careful in making their initial charges against the them. Something lighter which they are sure is going to stick. As details come to light, more severe punishments are able to stick

[fair gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mGhhdPgXG8

[chrome estuary]

wait didn't he just come back recently

i'll have to watch that

i assumed he died

[astral haven]

Nope

Guy is competent if a bit drunk

[timid chasm]

I appreciate how many times he has to remind you that it's 5000 amps just within the first minute 😂

[astral haven]

5ka is alot

[reef tundra]

Depends

[timid chasm]

tbh I wish I understood anything well enough to do all that and not kill myself

[reef tundra]

Its the measure of how many electrons are moving. In Coulombs per second.

[cursive summit]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/senate-passes-bipartisan-tech-and-manufacturing-bill-aimed-at-china.html

[pale sigil]

The fuck

My PayPal got limited

Said j need to confirm info

Go to confirm info and it just auto does it

Didn't ask me for anything

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-steal-stealing-yoink-seeya-gif-10550534

[pale sigil]

Still can't withdraw my money tho

Oh

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-alter-the-deal-empire-strikes-back-star-wars-gif-15971205

[shadow minnow]

So gigabyte support told me to rma both motherboard and CPU at once

[reef tundra]

bruh?

[ashen spindle]

not an issue, you will have it back before you get a gpu

[reef tundra]

True 😉

[shadow minnow]

But I still had use for it just with iGPU

So late July most likely to get replacements smh

[reef tundra]

I don't think they can request CPU and mobo to be rma'd unless they sold both to you by the same vendor. Not sure if they need to confirm that they take responsibility for the entire product.

[shadow minnow]

I mean they are not requesting, just “suggested” to me to rma both since there is not really way to find out which is faulty without having more mobos or CPUs. Also bought it from same vendor but that’s another thing

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/nkRuNoq6fV4

[young pecan]

@shadow minnow Go AMD this time with an APU.

Literally buy an X570 board that’s good and grab yourself a 3400G or something while you wait.

Performance prolly won’t be great, but since AMD isn’t an Intel you can simply slap in a 5000 series APU down the line, or something better.

AND the new CPUs with the vertical cache are coming, so they’ll be better for gaming anyway you bother to look at it.

:)

[young pecan]

https://www.amazon.com.au/AMD-Ryzen-3400G-Processor-YD3400C5FHBOX/dp/B07SXNDKNM

???

It works with X570?

Ergo take the better platform for later upgrades?

We know AMD is releasing 5000 series APUs in the near future, that also works with X570.

So... just upgrade to it then? 3400G is a cheap CPU with really nice resale value?

Somehow I'm doubting that spending an extra 100 on the resale isn't worth not going with an AMD platform that's kinda just better in almost every way compared to Intel.

Yeah that.

Which isn't out for comsumers outside of prebuilts yet? 'Least in Aussieland it isn't.

Either way Ryzen is a better idea, man.

It's gonna take a good while to actually get a GPU, y'know?

Means he can use an APU for a while, upgrade to something that'll beat out Intel when he gets a GPU.

Let's face it, if you're actually buying a GPU right now you can afford more components, no sane person would spring for GPUs atm if they're on a tight budget.

Lmao

Yeee.

[empty wren]

The transition from screen to notifications on beta 2 is soooo nice

Kinda disgusting not gonna lie

They had to make it big(Google)

[shadow minnow]

I am not gonna get refund most likely just replacement, at least that’s how it usually is in my country. Also already have cpu waterblock for this socket

[young pecan]

Such an F moment.

[cursive summit]

W6600 die

32CUs, 4 disabled for a total of 28

Navi 23 (Dimgrey Cavefish) - 237 mm², 11.06BT, TSMC 7nm, 32 CUs, 32 MB IC, 128-bit, PCIe 4.0

[wheat plume]

I want Android 12 ;-;

Have you installed Beta 2 yet? The wallpaper accent color is there now

[cursive summit]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-g15-advantage-edition-15-6-fhd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-5900hx-16gb-memory-radeonrx-6800m-512gb-ssd/6466550.p?skuId=6466550&intl=nosplash For the American fellas

Great price for insane perf

[halcyon moss]

that thing is butt ugly though O_O

[wheat plume]

Yeah 🤮

[cursive summit]

http://stupidestproducteverreleasedinthehistoryoftheuniversefullstop.com/

[wheat plume]

And its already being scalped .-.

Cause that makes total sense, release a new card when no one can buy the already existing ones anyway

[ashen spindle]

..that's not how that works

should they just not release them, and wait until the others dont get scalped anymore ?

[wheat plume]

These are going to be scalped immediately though?

[ashen spindle]

so in your mind it makes more sense to fill a warehouse with a million gpus and not sell them until the others dont get scalped anymore?

[wheat plume]

Not make new ones at all until that problem is gone would be better

[ashen spindle]

so instead of having 1 new and 1 old model so that 2 people can buy it, just have 1 old model so only 1 person can buy it?

1/2 the ram on the 3080ti means you can make twice as many cards with the same ammount of ram used

sure the pricing is absolute stupid and thus the card shouldn't exist

but it's still making it easier for more people to get a card

[dry tendon]

Yeah I dont get why people dont want new products to release

its better to have a choice, plus at least a FEW people will manage to be lucky and get something at a reasonable price at first

This whole salt over new products is understandable, but it is also crabs in a bucket mentality

Its better if some people get something nice / pay ok prices than for ZERO people to get something nice / pay OK prices

[cursive summit]

I think people want cheap and good products to release

500$ for a good card is still a big price for most

[ashen spindle]

yeah price creep is a thing but the lower end card have always been the last to release in a product stack

but I'll gladly agree the 90 and 80ti prices are stupid even at msrp 😛

[cursive summit]

Honestly

For honestly consumer friendly prices

Everything should be shifted -300$

3070 like 299

[shadow minnow]

Sometimes I am fine with 360p on phone but 1080p on 24” screen looks so terrible

[ashen spindle]

ehhh I still want them to at least make money so they can continue existing as a company lol

[cursive summit]

Do they release metrics on the card prices?

[shadow minnow]

I think that 3080 ti and 90 would have to be shifted more

[cursive summit]

Manufacturing costs

[ashen spindle]

nah but wafer prices are known and you can make estimates from that + what they report in earnings calls

[cursive summit]

Say 3070

How much does that cost to make

Like 250$?

[ashen spindle]

https://caly-technologies.com/die-yield-calculator/ figure out the dimensions and numbers for 8nm and put it in here

[shadow minnow]

Well there are also other prices, like marketing, employee, shipping, taxes. Also coolers tend to be not the cheapest.

[cursive summit]

The FE cards also user vapour chambers right?

[shadow minnow]

PCBs themselves usually aren’t that expensive but still sth, then you also have all the other components like VRAM on pcb

[shadow minnow]

Yes afaik

[ashen spindle]

probably easiest to go from an AiB card to figure out what the components cost and just factor in a 1% margin they get and you can get what they pay for a cpu die, then compare that to what it costs to make one from area size/yield and you have the margin number more or less

[ashen spindle]

yup

[young pecan]

Bois! Got a pristine GTX 1080Ti Gaming X today.

No dust or anything on it.

Very well taken care of.

[cursive summit]

I'll pay you 10$ for it

[shadow minnow]

10$ and one quarter

[young pecan]

Went to a mate of mine.

Upgraded him from a 1070 to 1080Ti. :)

Only condition is that he mines on it for 12 hours a day.

For a couple months, we traded in a fair bit of stuff for it.

But it should be a good upgrade for his gaming. :D

[wheat plume]

Got to install the UWP Dev Kit to VS

Didnt think it would be 2GB

[halcyon moss]

so tiny

now try taht with xcode :p

[wheat plume]

o.o

wait, makes sense for xcode causes that a MacOS only IDE right?

[halcyon moss]

yes, but its HUUUGE

[wheat plume]

hmmm

got to pull in all those MS dependencies

[halcyon moss]

xcode is huge

[wheat plume]

oh, just the IDE

welp

so is VS though

The update froze at 31/86 packages .-.

[wheat plume]

Damn it

[ashen spindle]

?

[wheat plume]

I cloned the repo for a project and it wont build

[ashen spindle]

and you have an error that tells you why

[wheat plume]

Now it works, I had to debug and then run it

Missing icons for the Folders it seems

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtF80m10t9U

Heh...

[wheat plume]

It is WORSE than the iGPU? :')

[crisp granite]

oh my god

OC time

:)

[dry tendon]

Vega 8 GIgaDicks that GT 705

but... I still find these old/weak GPU videos cooler than 6900 XT / 3090 videos

[wheat plume]

This looks like he is emulating a PS2 game at like 3 times resolution

[crisp granite]

no, it looks like running far cry 5 at half rez

bow still looks good even at that rez

[young pecan]

Lmfao

GT705.

Whut?

Idk how a GPU so old is even working anymore.

Poor GT705 must have been going for so fucking long.

[wheat plume]

its basically just made to be a display adapter to have more display output ports

[empty wren]

Yep yesterday I had to wait until I got home at 9pm since work, but I wanted to put root on top. Everything looks better. Accent pulling from wallpaper is on no turning off yet and it is subtle and sometimes looks off.

The elements also change depending on content

[wheat plume]

huh?

[empty wren]

Like on a video sound panel is more translucent

[wheat plume]

Im debating getting a Switch or a Pixel 4A

[empty wren]

Looks subtle on the clock

[wheat plume]

Can you hide notification content on lock screen?

[empty wren]

I mean whichever you get the most out of makes the most sense. Did you not geta know phone not too long ago either

[empty wren]

Sure

[wheat plume]

I did get a new phone recently, yeah haha :P

[wheat plume]

Good

[wheat plume]

oh, clock gets bigger

[empty wren]

Yep or completing/swiping all notifications

Acts like you are all "caught up now"

[wheat plume]

I need to see if there is TWRP for my phone

[wheat plume]

oo

[empty wren]

It adapts, android 13 feels more alive

[wheat plume]

13?!

xd

[empty wren]

Is it 12 did I misspeak?

[wheat plume]

yeh :P

[empty wren]

Ah 12 it is

[wheat plume]

;-; There is no TWRP for my phone

[empty wren]

If you can find a pixel 4a for a low price, not a bad idea for a side phone or did you intend to use it primarily?

[wheat plume]

I could maybe hope my previous phone gets Android 12 roms

it has amazing 9, 10 and 11 rom support

[empty wren]

That is very possible

And you cannot use a gsi right or do you not want to?

[wheat plume]

I cant do shit if my phone doesnt have a build of recovery for it ;-;

[empty wren]

Right makes sense

[wheat plume]

I just checked TWRP and Orangefox and they have no builds

[empty wren]

At all?!?

[wheat plume]

not for my new one

how?

[empty wren]

Oh wait, you got a another phone XD

[wheat plume]

oo?

[empty wren]

Oh yeah check instructions on xda

There is a way to do installation from fastboot

[wheat plume]

I See....

[empty wren]

It is the only way I could do it all this time, since there is tricky building android 11 then here comes android 12 so yeah..

A lot got changed and the lead developer had kids to take care of, so development slowed down a lot.

[wheat plume]

It seems that the build of OxygenOS for 12 is a broken mess too

Boot loops, crashes, wifi not working etc

and 80% of the time it wont boot

[empty wren]

Is that one of many builds from one developer which requires repartitions of storage?

[wheat plume]

no clue

https://youtu.be/mifNQ_bu1gI

[empty wren]

Oh okay, some guy made a bunch of ports like color os oxygen os and oneui ect

I do not get these how to videos, the instructions are on a page from OnePlus. Likely done through an app and pretty soon simple.

[wheat plume]

Ive linked it cause he explains what is wrong with the build!

[empty wren]

Ah okay

[wheat plume]

idk if its worth getting a switch for only 3 games

[empty wren]

XD

There was an effort to port switch to Android, I am gonna go check it

[wheat plume]

Although my friend for a PS4 just for ONE game lel

O.o oh....

[crisp granite]

o.O

[wheat plume]

That would be trippy

[crisp granite]

one game

[wheat plume]

Yep

One game

[crisp granite]

bruh

[wheat plume]

I think it was Persona

[crisp granite]

coulda sworn persona 4 golden and 5 were on steam

yep, they are

[ashen spindle]

p4g got added last year

[wheat plume]

Oh, guess it wasnt that game

It was a PS4 exclusive

[ashen spindle]

p5 still is

[wheat plume]

oh?

[ashen spindle]

p4 came out 2008

and only got a pc version last year

so p5 wont be on pc for quite some time

[crisp granite]

uh

[crisp granite]

yeah

[ashen spindle]

no

different game

[wheat plume]

23rd Feb 2021

[ashen spindle]

different game

[wheat plume]

When it was basically the same as Pixel Android?

[ashen spindle]

strikers just is p5 setting but its a action game instead of turnbased, just a side story etc.

[empty wren]

Oxygen OS as close as it looks is far from Pixel, they had some crazy issues if they do not make some changes they did.

Notably no notification or delayed notifications.

[wheat plume]

Right yeah....

my favourite ROM is Pixel Experience Plus

Nice balance between Stock Pixel and additional useful features

Its an offical version of it

also on their website

[empty wren]

Getting better in less modification to system/code, Asus offers stock or their skin when setting up.

[crisp granite]

https://tenor.com/view/salad-fingers-gif-5746226

[wheat plume]

awesome :D I highly recommend it

oh lel

nvm then

Yeah, that is why I left EvoX after a while

[empty wren]

Tons feel bloated these days, and like everyone copies the other just has a different name and kernel.

[wheat plume]

I used to really really love ExtendedUI rom
But sadly, due to many other ROMs literally copy/pasting their ROM and chaging the name..They had to go closed source and it died out

It had a very unique UI design

that I have yet to see in other roms apart from the copied ones

[wheat plume]

That was fast

[empty wren]

Hmm 🤔 audios

[misty saffron]

dolby atmos music on ios is cool and all

but producers got a little too excited with the reverb

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aSONi6CkJc

This TED talk is hilarious.

Who would win.

A customs agent who doesn't know how tech works.
Or one smol clearly labeled viral boi

[cursive summit]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-up-to-12-faster-than-the-nvidia-rtx-3080-in-unreal-engine-5-demo-w-lumen-based-s-w-ray-tracing/

[crimson wigeon]

Wait, that's illegal

[ashen spindle]

eh, not the best title since it's more than just SW RT they do in lumen

if it translates into when it is implemented in a game that's nice

[crisp granite]

just remember

if it says "safe punjabi (no virus) on the download page", it's safe

[reef patrol]

I'm just baffled. They could have checked his credentials. They could have checked the diskette on a closed circuit PC.

They spread malware to the entire airport.

[astral haven]

What's really odd is the 3090 runs circles around the 6900xt
At the campfire native 1440p the 6900xt is around 30 where the 3090 is around 45

[cursive summit]

More VRAM I guess?

Faster VRAM, more VRAM

[astral haven]

Yup

Thing is tho

The performance imo is very very dependent on system ram speed more than anything

Regarding that statement you deleted, it's very broken record style because it's very old and isn't relevant any more

[proper crystal]

Slower VRAM. Higher data bandwidth because of Infinity cache though

[fickle ore]

I wouldn't say that, where has the relevance went?

If you say that RAM speed is very important, you can't discout the cpu hit from nvidia driver

[astral haven]

Rdna 1 and 2 are significantly less wide than Turing and ampere are

The 3090 is a little over 20k compute paths vs the 5k of the 6900xt

And ram speed vs cpu offloading are irrelevant in well optimized fully gpu bound games

On both of our systems most of the cpu time was render wait

Welcome to ue5
Where you can't turn down the settings enough to make it cpu bound

Minimum settings, post-processing off, shadows off, and it was still 10ms left of cpu wait

Well 7 to 10ms

And the crazy thing is it wasn't just any one category of rendering, it was spread out pretty evenly between shading, nanite and the actual rendering

[civic cedar]

why are nvidia's latest drivers so bad

reeeee

shadowplay randomly stopped working

[ashen spindle]

well, you can easily make UE5 cpu bound, just not that demo project 😛

[fickle ore]

Idk what this discussion is even about anymore

[ashen spindle]

idk because idk what was deleted to start it 😄

[astral haven]

Ofc the empty worlds sure
But anything over a polygon per pixel is gpu bound

[ashen spindle]

if you dont use naninte/lumen it's gonna be almost identical to a ue4 game 😛 but yea, it was failry evenly split on my 6800 when I tried it

only light pass was the one that stuck out as taking longer, obviously

[fickle ore]

u can dl the demo?

[astral haven]

Whats crazy tho is you can drop down to 30% resolution scaling and first of all you get a reasonably coherent image

Ye

When I get home I'm gonna recompile it with shortcut keys to change settings

[fickle ore]

oh well prob wouldn't be fun with a 1060

[astral haven]

I've got a normal compiled version

You'd be surprised

[cursive summit]

AMD and Nvidia switched places?

[astral haven]

As long as you have 32gb of ram it'll be fine

[ashen spindle]

shadowplay isn't really part of the driver stack I'd say

that sucking isn't relevant to drivers

[fickle ore]

ye, nvidia just SUK

[astral haven]

Goodness how high are your standards

The only drivers I've had that were less problematic than the nvidia ones were the wmo drivers lmao

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle mh mh 176 cell samsung drive this year

[astral haven]

Lies

Give us real 96 layer nand samsung

Doit I dare you

[ashen spindle]

meh, I'll just wait for gen5 drive lmao

[fickle ore]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-envisions-1000-layer-v-nand

think ima get it

worth the wait over 126 I think

[pale sigil]

Being locked out of my PayPal makes me realise how much I rely on it

And what sucks is I have a fair amount of money in there I can't withdraw atm

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle what will u do with gen 5 lol it'll be 2 years or more till u can use, and are u gonna upgrade?

[civic cedar]

shadowplay randomly stopped working and nothing is fixing it

[astral haven]

Here's the thing
Past 64 layers, more is worse besides for storage devices

[ashen spindle]

well I'm just working with the assumtion once they have gen5 devices that are somewhat ok, gen4 will be much cheaper/robuster

[astral haven]

Lol why would they bother?

The controllers are what they are, and they aren't gonna intentionally use older less dense nand

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle good thinking

[astral haven]

Cheaper for sure
But less hot and low endurance
Not a chance

[ashen spindle]

I mean yeah I know the controllers aren't linear increments to go from pcie 3 to 4 to 5, but it will still be development done with them that can be applied to previous once or introduce cost saving options aside from just making it q QLC drive etc.

[astral haven]

The cost savings is gonna be using plc lmao

And yeeting dram

Hmb is not good enough

[ashen spindle]

also once they upgrade it makes it easier to get get 2nd hand server grade ssd's

[astral haven]

They will not use better nand

Well no

[ashen spindle]

and I'll gladly take used intel ssd's that still have years of warranty left lol

[astral haven]

Since servers are switching to using ruler ssds

[fickle ore]

intel p5800x :3:3

[astral haven]

Ruler and u.3
And u.3 is very problematic to use on desktop

[chrome estuary]

"ruler ssds"

[astral haven]

The p5800x is never gonna be cheap

[fickle ore]

THAT IS.....

[chrome estuary]

what the fuck is this thing

[ashen spindle]

yeah my point is when they are changing to those, they will put the current once onto ebay 😛 I dont intend to wait 2 version upgrades

[chrome estuary]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11702/ruler_form_factor_for_intel_ssds_press_briefing_final_8.png

[astral haven]

🤷

[chrome estuary]

ngl i actually really like that

[astral haven]

Yup

It's fantastic

32tb at pcie x8 on tlc

[chrome estuary]

https://www.zdnet.com/a/hub/i/r/2018/08/09/022969b2-523d-4e96-9616-ff0f41a85fa8/resize/770xauto/2936cff61560cc1b6f1a239f843b154e/intel-ssd-dc-p4500.jpg

it's fucking huge

[fickle ore]

Still consider ebay'ing 900p

[chrome estuary]

but dear fucking god 32TB?

"You can cram 1PB into a 1U"

[astral haven]

I have a pair of 900p and a 4800x from ebay
The 4800x came with 0 bytes written

On a 750gb model

[fickle ore]

noice

[astral haven]

Crazy lucky

And then afterwards for storage I got a pair of 5100 pros and they were also brand new

Just insane luck

[fickle ore]

I'd just use it as a gaming drive so worth is debatable

[astral haven]

Once I get threadripper I'm gonna raid 0 all my optane and boot from that

[ashen spindle]

anyway last year there were a ton of 4TB P4500 on ebay for just 350, think LTT bought a bunch for their second petabyte server

and I just assume those or similar will flood second hand once big bloud switches to newer options

and for that price I'd gladly take some

[astral haven]

I ran out of Ports lol

6 pcie 3.0x4 drives, a 2.0x8 drive and some sata stuff

Gib threadripper

But yea now with chia, drives are kinda poof

[ashen spindle]

somewhat related, the ETH switch to PoS seems to already be moved to 2022 lmao

[fickle ore]

...

[astral haven]

Imo doesn't count as moving if they never had a date to begin with :/

[ashen spindle]

not wrong

[astral haven]

God I do want a plotripper tho

Slc pcie 3.0? Yes pls

[ashen spindle]

yea the product is solid, the reason they market it to consumer should burn in hell

[astral haven]

Eh

If every ssd was that it'd probably be fine

[ashen spindle]

yeah but not every ssd needs to or should be slc lol

[astral haven]

Alot of people would actually use a 256gb slc ssd over a tb qlc because of the data retention

Just leave, you have a button

[ashen spindle]

sure but price is a factor, there are reasons why people but 500gb qlc drives or even lower capacity lol

[astral haven]

Tb qlc is exactly identical to 256gb slc

128gb isn't enough sometimes sure

But it also exists

[reef tundra]

TB? not good news.

[astral haven]

Why do you keep deleting your messages dag

[ashen spindle]

uh sure, doesnt really go against my argument of cost being a factor though?

[astral haven]

A new computer every 3-5 years is more expensive than the qlc to slc upgrade

[fickle ore]

@astral haven useless stuff and less to delete via a script when I decide to run it again

[astral haven]

Where an slc ssd could potentially last 20 years

[ashen spindle]

• I'll be honest idk how memory gets made in terms of wafers, do you need much less area to make qlc and thus have more production going on etc.?

[astral haven]

You can convert qlc into slc

[ashen spindle]

and sure, but plenty of people who dont have the money to invest atm so it is more value in 5 years

[astral haven]

Same for tlc and mlc

How else would slc caches work

And yes
They are actual slc

[ashen spindle]

well idk if they needed special requirements that could affect yield or so

[astral haven]

Slc doesn't require as much precision as qlc...

[ashen spindle]

oh and speaking of the p5800x https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fINeI6Xm6t0

[astral haven]

It's a fastboi

It's also a durableboi

There's no official endurance rating but from the dwpd it can handle 170k cycles

[ashen spindle]

if only they wouldnt randomly lock it down to only work with intel

[astral haven]

What

[ashen spindle]

oh wait that was just the optane dimms right?

[astral haven]

Yup

Optane memory mode is pog with barlow pass

[ashen spindle]

just sad that something must be wrong in the road or micron wouldn't have jumped off and intel wouldn't be selling their business of it

[astral haven]

Well yea next is cxl

It won't be attached to the cpu you'll have memory mode optane attached via cxl on a pcie 5 bus

Micron doesn't want to deal with the engineering work that's just gonna be trashed in a year when cxl happens

[ashen spindle]

makes sense I guess

[astral haven]

Cxl is gonna be really tough for us ebay enterprise buyers

[ashen spindle]

well time to get the supply when they switch to it before others realise there wont be any further second hand supply coming from their channel

[astral haven]

Yup

Tho
Rn the drives appearing are 2017 models

So we still have 5ish years

[ashen spindle]

ehh I think the transition will be a bit faster

[astral haven]

And earlier

Nah

[ashen spindle]

after all many wont be upgrading to pcie 4 and wait for cxl imo

[astral haven]

Nope

That's not how businesses work

Least none I'm aware of

[ashen spindle]

just my guess from the timeline of when pcie3/4/5 are available

not really too big into enterprise market aside from looking at epyc bullying xeons

[astral haven]

Tldr you build when you get your funding approved

[ashen spindle]

ok sure for government contracts and such, I was under the assumption large cloud providers and such would have the technical knowledge that they know when to upgrade

and I dont think your average company that upgrades based on budget is gonna flood the second hand market, was more under the impression those come from outdate amazon/ibm/facebook/hpe servers etc.

[cursive summit]

Would existing PCIe 4 boards suppport PCIe 5?

[ashen spindle]

do pcie 3 boards support pcie4?

[cursive summit]

Or the bandwidth is too high

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[cursive summit]

I mean some

Not all, some do

[reef patrol]

Really? Haven't noticed any boards that wouldn't accept a 4.0 NVME with 3.0 speeds.

[ashen spindle]

that's...not the same thing

[cursive summit]

Ah as in, run it at PCIe 4 speeds too

[reef patrol]

Then I'm not sure what you're asking if not fallback 😛

[ashen spindle]

yes of course you can run a pcie4 device in gen3 mode on older things

[cursive summit]

Iirc some B450s do succesfully run PCIe 4 🤔

[ashen spindle]

the board itself doesnt suddently use pcie4

[reef patrol]

I mean why would it. It's beyond spec. Needs more physical paths 😄

[ashen spindle]

that's why I answered that way as it's the same for4/5 😛 if a board is certified with gen4 but built strong enough to support gen5 signalling, yes, but then it wasn't really a gen4 board to start with

see the mess that is Z490

[reef patrol]

I don't speak Intel.

[ashen spindle]

b450 had some boards that could somewhat do it but amd disabled it as the boards were never certified so it would've lead to countless issues

[astral haven]

What

Do what?

[reef patrol]

Run Gen4

[astral haven]

Yup

[ashen spindle]

think msi was one of them that had beta bios with it enabled?

[reef patrol]

MSI and ASRock are always up to no good when it comes to going beyond spec 😄

[astral haven]

Msi was the only one, but it got banned by amd real quick

[reef patrol]

Why is it always you three?

[ashen spindle]

that is the one redeeming quality about assrock

so far the only brand where you can run zen3 in x370 boards from what I could find

now if you should do that is something else

[astral haven]

"Run"

[ashen spindle]

it goes into windows, that is more than it does on other brands xD

[astral haven]

Eh

I'll believe it when I see it

And don't just show me a qvl

[ashen spindle]

nah there has been a forum post for the beta bios, I think someone posted a youtube video on it? dont have it in my history anymore

[astral haven]

Amd specifically banned promontory with zen 3

All of promontory

[ashen spindle]

hence it's a unofficial beta bios not directly distributed by asrock

[astral haven]

-_-

That won't run windows

At least not in uefi mode

[ashen spindle]

it's been a long time, I can't find the links anymore

maybe the forum post got taken down

[astral haven]

Fuck me the 3070 is at 2.8% of steam users

And the 3080 is at 1.7

That's insane

[ashen spindle]

bUt MiNeRs

[astral haven]

The 6900xt passed the hd6900 series at .14% lmao

[ashen spindle]

wait it finally shows the rdna2 cards

[astral haven]

Yup

.16 for 6800xt, .14 for 6900xt, .1 for 6800

[ashen spindle]

uhh

where

[astral haven]

Nothing else shows up

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/
On the longer list

[ashen spindle]

ah, on the video card list they still arent listed

lol

[astral haven]

Well yea not enough sales

.4% of steam users is impressive

But uh

Wow over half as many sales as the 3090 🤦

[ashen spindle]

hmm I wonder how accurate it can differentiate laptop ampere cards

and if we'll see a big rise with rdna2 mobile being good

wait how can it be 2.8 for the 3070

on "vulkan systems"

but 1.4 overall

[zenith sonnet]

Interesting. 3090 nowhere on the individual list

[ashen spindle]

how many pre-xp/gt510 are people using

[zenith sonnet]

6900 XT almost as many units as the 6800 XT, though

[ashen spindle]

ok someting wonky has to be going on, there is no way the 3070/80/90 double in % if you drop the pre xp systems

no way so many active machines of that are out there running steam still

[astral haven]

Yeup there are

[zenith sonnet]

HW survey has always been wonky

[ashen spindle]

where? school systems wouldn't run steam if they are still on xp, random pc in india would just use cracked win7/10 anyway

or is it coming from russia since they seem to have a somewhat hacked version of xp in circulation there?

ah

[zenith sonnet]

I mean, what happened in January 2021 to make those peaks?

[ashen spindle]

MacOS might not be included

that could make more sense

[zenith sonnet]

What makes this even more weird

Those peaks were caused by a significant amout of PCs with 6 core intel CPUs and Nvidia graphics

Running a version that's older than Win 10

[astral haven]

Thing is video card under directx only counts drivers installed
Older and igpus can run without drivers installed

[ashen spindle]

honestly curious when the 1060 is gone as the most used card on steam haha

at this rate it might still hold out for a year

[astral haven]

That card sold what 12 million units alone?

15?

I forget

It was alot

[astral haven]

https://youtu.be/Uh3WobaaP70?t=264
Ok so amds cache stacking is alot cooler than they originally made it sound
The cache chip cold welds to the tsvs

[pale sigil]

Ngl

Harmony os Is nice

[young pecan]

Oh nice. Any time cold welding is involved something immediately becomes far more awesome.

[astral haven]

Yuuup

Fuck I wanted an upgrade in 2021

Am I gonna have to wait for zen3+ now?

[zenith sonnet]

By the time those are available Zen 4 will be releasing soon

The cycle continues

[astral haven]

Zen 4 is q3 or q4

Likely not gonna be easy to get until '23

Cacheybois are q1 availability

Also I'm not buying a first gen d5 amd cpu

Get rekt

I have 2k for cpu and motherboard rn

[astral haven]

Zen 3 doesn't have any boards for me yet

Taichi ain't got the io for me

The x570 ace would if it had 2 m.2 slots
But one of the m.2 slots is x1

Wtf asus

It's really scuffed

And that is the only board with an x8 slot that doesn't steal from the gpu

I really wanted zen 3 tr :(

Actually no I can't give up io for a measly 64mb of cache

[hard thicket]

still waiting for actually TR Mini-dtx/Dtx boards

there is only a single dtx one for w/e reason

[astral haven]

consumer nvlink doesnt add vram

[reef tundra]

or does it *music plays*

[astral haven]

i can assure you that it does not

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/vsauce-michael-or-is-it-gif-19808095

[astral haven]

it shows the link # just like all other multigpu, but still keeps the same vram amount

[hard thicket]

why makes you think that ? building protable workstations is a thing

such as my current one, due to bandwidth limitations im running my dual 3090's in 8x

without compromising too much on storage bandwidth/networking on so on

[astral haven]

Why dtx tho?

It's very possible to put u.2 on itx, or an extra pcie slot on microatx

[hard thicket]

streacom da2 modified

dtx is just super compact while being theoretically capable of providing two full 16x slots

or 3 iirc

and there are more and more cases that start to support m-atx/dtx which is great

such as the sliger cerberus

[solemn compass]

you can also look at this lol, if you want to have a fully automated garden 🤣 https://farm.bot/

[reef tundra]

Bruh

[old marlin]

uhhh

I see the appeal for bigger farms

but for home use?

[solemn compass]

it is pretty cool tech, not gonna lie. and I expected it to be more expensive

[reef tundra]

For bigger farms you would want to make it go circular or self-driving. Makes scaling cheaper and easier

[solemn compass]

oh yea

it could be done i think, it has a camera on the machine itself, so could be possible

[old marlin]

yea I obv meant in a different setup

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/elon-musk-demos-cyberpunk-2077-on-teslas-new-infotainment-system-powered-by-amd-navi-23-gpu

[cursive summit]

That comparison is quite pepega

[hard thicket]

i like the side notes at the comparison table

"comes with a car"

[shadow minnow]

https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1403306056852385793?s=19

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed)

LG demanded editing rights over a review, offered to "compensate" us for the privilege, and admitted this was a plan to stop bad reviews because they hurt sales.

This conduct is disgraceful, unethical, unacceptable and today we are exposing them: https://t.co/73zonr6NYe

Likes

384

Twitter · Jun 11, 2021, 11:00 AM

[wheat plume]

for the privilege

Having your video edited to be biased by the almighty holier than thou LG

[ashen spindle]

uh, yes LG is the bad guy in this scenario but that is not what that sentence says

compensating means lg would have the privilege to edit it, that does not mean they put it as being a privilege for HUB to send it to LG

[shadow minnow]

Also more details

[cursive summit]

Switch Pro chip huh

Well that one is not the switch pro chip, the one in the pic is T234

Nin uses T239

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1403200552473829377

kopite7kimi (@kopite7kimi)

This is a preliminary picture of T234 in Wikipedia. Very clear.
So why do we always guess?
Nintendo will use a customized one, T239.

Twitter · Jun 11, 2021, 4:00 AM

[cursive summit]

So Orin is still part of the Tegra family

It's just a far more advanced node

If it's really the one Nintendo opted for when it comes to Switch Pro, that is some really good power

[thick elk]

Watched the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5DuXeqnA-w
Pretty big yikes in my book.

[ashen spindle]

yup, sounds like some new marketing exec got in and thought he had a great idea

[shadow minnow]

Another monitor with really bad overdrive at lower refresh rates?

(Lot of ghosting)

[young pecan]

@ashen spindle Probably.

It’s always the fresh idiots that think they have to stir the pot to stay in the job.

For people so trained they can be super moronic.

[thick elk]

the mail did get shared within their team, still if the boss wants it one way the rest will follow.

[shadow minnow]

Someone is gonna get fired

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats why I think the exec at top wanted it

or they are all equally dumb

[dry tendon]

Sad. LG TVs are the best screens one can get but they act like inhuman vermin lol

[young pecan]

That’s damn near all corporations.

Find me a corporation that doesn’t act like sentient mould.

[thick elk]

These type of video's generally do pretty well in the metrics, linus is at least going to cover it in their wan show so overall it's a decent bit of negative PR for LG.

[young pecan]

Fuckin’ sentient mould that clings to the bathroom wall and causes problems.

That’s LG.

[ashen spindle]

on some brighter news

https://twitter.com/jeannieccrowley/status/1403044983427457025

Jeannie Crowley (@jeannieccrowley)

#RIGHTTOREPAIR just passed NY Senate 51-12!!!!!
Here we come Assembly! https://t.co/FXWF5yAJc8

Likes

105

Twitter · Jun 10, 2021, 5:42 PM

[young pecan]

YEEEESSS!!

[shadow minnow]

[young pecan]

FUCK YOU, APPLE!

TIME TO OPEN THE GODDAMN SCHEMATICS, ASSHOLES!!

[crimson wigeon]

lobby lobby lobby

[ashen spindle]

better not have any stocks in john deere

[dry tendon]

Good news lol

[ashen spindle]

well from my understanding it now needs to still pass the next one before it can be made into something of a law, but it's further than it ever has been

[thick elk]

The may issue is getting people to seriously consider it. Ultimately there is really that much political opposition to these things

and with 51-12 as a vote it would be weird if it flips around.

[ashen spindle]

yeah, the recent hack really made it easy to show "hey look, big bad china is getting our data because of this"

[halcyon moss]

lol! well thats a def overkill 😄

[solemn compass]

hahah

[cursive summit]

Well that is some shitty ass scale

[misty saffron]

why does the 3060 ti have less vram

the fuck

[cursive summit]

3080 by far looks most appealing

[crisp granite]

yep

shoulda got one of those instead

ffs

[cursive summit]

Nah I'm getting a 6800XT

In like 5 years

When stock is available

[reef tundra]

Imagine buying an Nvidia

[crisp granite]

stock or GPU?

[cursive summit]

Imagine supporting anti-consumerism

[crisp granite]

I got both

[cursive summit]

smh my head Doge

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[crisp granite]

stock went up a few hundred since I bought it

fuck yeah

[reef tundra]

He dede

[cursive summit]

I'll split your earnings 50/50

[crisp granite]

no

[cursive summit]

Out of care for your financial health

[crisp granite]

I'll keep it

[cursive summit]

Too much money = power abuse

[crisp granite]

it just keeps growing

[cursive summit]

So I'll free you from that burden

❤️

[crisp granite]

nah

[reef tundra]

Roman Emperors agree

[ashen spindle]

just shows how bad AMD is, nvidia grows couple hundred and amd cant even reach 100usd smh

[cursive summit]

Smh my head, imagine not having your own self driving cars AMD

[crisp granite]

I bought it around $400 or $500 a few months back

somewhere there

and it's at $700+ rn

feels good

[crisp granite]

https://tenor.com/view/sympathy-sad-broken-depressed-doge-gif-4891164

he dede

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/hi6EBmImzR8

[cursive summit]

https://twitter.com/josephfcox/status/1403339739852279814

Joseph Cox (@josephfcox)

New: here is how hackers broke into EA games and stole a ton of code/internal tools

• bought cookie online for $10
• logged into EA Slack
• trick IT support to give login token for EA network

"We explain to them we lost our phone at a party last night"

https://t.co/BR9poVFT6z

Retweets

157

Likes

295

Twitter · Jun 11, 2021, 1:14 PM

Quick guys, hack other companies for quick millions now

[crisp granite]

hell

I would totally do that if I knew how and had an afternoon with nothing to do

could just blackmail bethsoft into paying me a cool $10,000,060 USD

[young pecan]

Just...

[crisp granite]

$10,000,000 to not leak their shit, $60 for my fallout 76 refund

[young pecan]

Gimmie 1.5 million of that and I can make you something that earns 36,000 USD per day.

[crisp granite]

[crisp granite]

I'd rather do stocks

it's more my jam

[young pecan]

(It’s a lot of graphics cards)

[crisp granite]

hm

Aeon

[young pecan]

(Like, hundreds of graphics cards)

[crisp granite]

first I gotta actually tap in and extract valuable info

then ransom it off

then get money

then I can invest in your mining

better than most aussie mining, for black opal

xD

or...hm

I'll stick with stocks overall

they work

besides

https://www.csi.ca/student/en_ca/courses/csi/csc.xhtml

doing this rn

just because "why not"

[young pecan]

Pog

[crisp granite]

seriously tho

regardless of where I apply to

this is resume candy if I've ever seen it

[wheat plume]

oh boi, lots of important things to update

wot

oh... xd

Why? :') got something you want in it?

I see

just cause you can then? :P

tkg? pds?

better desktop / gaming experience

oh

oh

I used to have a kernel manager on my previous phone

I could change things like that

I forgot the name of the kernel I used though

Nope, thats a paid app xd

I think this came with the ROM I was using at the time

o

now I need to look up what bcachefs is

oh.... strange limitation

add the damn color to your pacman output please :') that screenshot looks so dull

hmm

Think it doesnt

[reef tundra]

You looking for kmon?

[wheat plume]

hm?

[reef tundra]

Kernel module monitoring

[wheat plume]

oooh

[thick elk]

I personally just stick to zen-kernel as kernel compilations on a 6 core still take a decent bit of time.

[wheat plume]

Oh, that.... That only supports Debian / Ubuntu apparently

[reef tundra]

whut?

[thick elk]

what only supports ubuntu / debian?

zen-kernel is in the community repo on arch

[wheat plume]

oh wait, no im thinking of an other kernel

[reef tundra]

Unless you are running BSD I dont see incompatibilities

[wheat plume]

Yeah, I got that mixed up with xanmod

That logo is some cool shit yo

[vagrant pagoda]

They aren't much better on a 12c lol

I need a better ssd in my gaming rig, I think that is killing my compile time

[wheat plume]

I recently upgraded my last HDD to SSD :D

[astral haven]

I can't afford big enough ssds :(

[ashen spindle]

you are overestimating how large her replacement ssd is

iirc it was a step down on capacity but could be wrong on that

[astral haven]

tho i say that with this ||16tb of ssds||

Yeah now isn't a fantastic time to get an SSD unfortunately
Mining is ruining everything :/

[ashen spindle]

but the question is, will it go down in the no too far future?

last dramexchange article wasn't looking too good for prices int he future

[astral haven]

Who knows

But sabrent? Doesn't think so

[wheat plume]

No
It is 1TB

My OS SSDs are both 256gb

[reef tundra]

nub

1tb or bust

[ashen spindle]

uhh I mean the size of one of them doesn't really tell me if it's a up/down/sidegrade but I'll assume it is more then 😛

[wheat plume]

Xd I'm not paying €110 per SSD

[reef tundra]

bankrupcy is just one hypers awway

[wheat plume]

The 1TB SSD replaced a 1TB HDD

[reef tundra]

1tb nvme m.2 ssd time

[wheat plume]

Yep

Replaced a 2.5 inch 5400RPM HDD

[crisp granite]

that's actually a good price

I pay $150 CAD per terrabyte

[wheat plume]

Yeh!
I went back to the website a week ago and it went it to €155 ;_;

Ffs

[reef tundra]

poor spinny boy. he was just spinning around

[ashen spindle]

100 for 1tb is normal for entry level ssd

[crisp granite]

spinny boi succ

get with solid state

[ashen spindle]

multiple options so just get a different one if one model is higher in price

[crisp granite]

solid state beats a spinny boi 100 times out of 10

[reef tundra]

Yea, but can it spin?

[crisp granite]

...

no

;-;

[reef tundra]

rekt

[wheat plume]

This is speedy speedy nvme

[ashen spindle]

ok let me rephrase it

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/rekt-slide-fail-gif-4673353

[shadow minnow]

That’s actually quite a good price, especially compared to not that long ago. But sometimes you can even get fast 1tb ssds for 100 nowadays

[ashen spindle]

100 for 1tb is normal for entry level nvme ssd

[wheat plume]

Xd

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-rudd-say-it-again-please-repeat-repeat-again-gif-17011183

[ashen spindle]

because as we went over this last time, cost for nvme is basically the same as sata ssd

[reef tundra]

come on.. i know you want to say the words again. :)

[shadow minnow]

Yeah. Apart from pcie gen 4 which are overpriced and basically useless for most people rn

[ashen spindle]

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/say-the-words-say-it-point-gun-threat-do-it-gif-15272528

[crisp granite]

100 for 1tb is normal for entry level nvme ssd

good one, Quin

[ashen spindle]

?

[crisp granite]

that's like entry level sata at best

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/thurston-waffles-meow-scream-glowing-eyes-cat-gif-15740056

[crisp granite]

most NVME drives I've seen have a 10-20 dollar upcharge

even in the same brand and line of SSD

[ashen spindle]

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-moana-youre-welcome-maui-dance-gif-15810606

[reef tundra]

5 quid?

thats a stabbin loicence

[crisp granite]

quin, I wish prices were that good here

I spent $165 CAD on that same western digital drive

and that was a solid 10-20 bucks cheaper than any other store

[ashen spindle]

that sounds more like electronics being more expensive in canada in general

[ashen spindle]

yes thats 100€

real world doesnt use pounds

[pale sigil]

You showed £99

Just showing you normal price is all

[ashen spindle]

I showed 99 euro

[pale sigil]

Oh

You did

Mabad

[crisp granite]

stfu

quit poking holes in my arguments

[ashen spindle]

plenty of super cheap trash ones too but I left them out

[crisp granite]

I don't live your fantasy world where electronics are reasonably priced

[ashen spindle]

yeah that world is a couple miles south from you

[pale sigil]

Nothing is reasonably priced in Canada

[crisp granite]

:(

[cursive summit]

Quin has the habit of not saying anything until he finds a topic where he can completely decimate you with his arguments

Modern ninja way

Take it as a compliment

[ashen spindle]

[cursive summit]

50% discount, apparently

Portable SSD

That price sounds like it's overpriced 2x or something

But it can't be since it retails for 900 elsewhere

[astral haven]

To be fair all the good ssds jumped a ton in price.
Samsung, inland premium, p31, 3020 I think too

3030

[halcyon moss]

hmm start menu wont open

..interesting..

any tips on what to kill to get that working again?

ah.. the 'start' program

[old marlin]

I'd have restarted explorer

[vagrant pagoda]

I got 4 of the 600ps at 189 for 2tb

That's my bulk storage

I have which ever Samsung is PCI 4.0 as boot

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/budding-pop-good-thumbs-up-okay-ok-gif-12229645

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-glover-good-gif-9530757

So many people are going to realise they have been putting a lot of money into a pump and dump.

[crisp granite]

you seem surprised?

[reef tundra]

Elon is just blatantly manipulating the market

Lets call it the USD

[crisp granite]

needs to produce money to give in tax breaks for corps and the .01% somehow