🔌│tech

[young pecan]

No no. Some spiders can fly.

Sometimes you get a few hundred all in a big swarm.

Spider rain for 15 minutes.

Yeee

Small ones do it best, but there’s a couple mid sized spiders that can pull it off.

Nothing big, tho.

[ashen spindle]

yes you should mail GB and ask them wtf they did since its still not working for you

but it could still be the fault of something else

[young pecan]

Literally demand refund and buy something from anyone else. @shadow minnow

Gigabyte is stupid nonsense and should be treated as such until they fix their shit.

Especially anything firmware heavy.

[ashen spindle]

well he sent it in for rma and got it back

[young pecan]

Well it’s still fucked.

Send it back in for RMA.

[ashen spindle]

so might as well figure out what they did before he gets something else and it still wont work bc the cpu is dead

[young pecan]

That’s true.

[ashen spindle]

it seems to be broken board, but not like he can actually be sure of that

[young pecan]

Q code should work with no CPU, iirc?

At least it should attempt to start.

[ashen spindle]

[young pecan]

If it’s not doing anything at all...?

[shadow minnow]

Was not really rma

[zenith sonnet]

Update your drivers. Ryzen Balanced isn't up to date any more

[ashen spindle]

tf did you do then, send it in for a vacation?

[young pecan]

Lmao

[wheat plume]

CPU drivers?? wot

[shadow minnow]

I mean, it’s bit different in Eu, sent it back to store where I bough it from which sent it to distributor for “repair” afaik

[young pecan]

Lmfaoooo

Take it back, tell them it’s fucked, demand a refund.

[shadow minnow]

Also no idea who is the distributor but there are only like 2 in my country for those mobos

[shadow minnow]

Trying to, gotta wait for mail response

[young pecan]

Why did you even buy gigabyte in the first place? You must have known about their rep?

[crisp granite]

ikaS is our apple fanboy iirc

I think he gets off to buying overpriced shite

[shadow minnow]

Just the features and stuff, it looks like this is not widespread issue

[young pecan]

It literally is, how did you do no research?

[shadow minnow]

Well having postcode, some other OC stuff, all the ports…

[young pecan]

Gigabyte has had a bad reputation for 12 years.

Bruh.

This is not new, their shit is routinely shit.

[shadow minnow]

I did, afaik wo people had this issue with this mobo compared to lot more units sold. Not talking overall.

[shadow minnow]

Not really a fanboy imo, definitely Apple fan though

[ashen spindle]

you're asking someone for reasoning when he decided he totally wants to get rocket lake even before zen3 was out and still wanted to wait

[zenith sonnet]

Chipset drivers. You new to PCs?

[young pecan]

And their entire product stack all behaving badly and having mass issues didn’t raise red flags?

[shadow minnow]

Not without reasons

[young pecan]

Idk if idiot or fanboy.

Or both.

[crisp granite]

it was a joke

[young pecan]

‘Cause man... lack of self preservation.

[crisp granite]

I know you like apple

[young pecan]

Shit even Biostar has a better rep than Gigabyte.

[wheat plume]

Iwill check the website

[young pecan]

BIOSTAR.

[crisp granite]

that's the only reason to buy a mac nowadays

[wheat plume]

^

[shadow minnow]

Idk, just hoped I won’t have issue since it’s like 1% of issues, and wanted to mainly buy based on features. My first pc build too

[young pecan]

@shadow minnow sigh

Just...

[crisp granite]

I've been on windows my whole life, works great tbh

[young pecan]

Just stay away from the brands with horrible reputations.

Ok?

[crisp granite]

I don't get why everyone hates it

[shadow minnow]

I mean M1s have some reasons. Well, the iMac not really but M1 MacBook Air seems pretty good.

[young pecan]

Stay with EVGA, Sapphire, Nvidia, AMD, MSI, and Asus.

They won’t lead you to fucked places.

Not often will they suck terribly.

If you can buy EVGA, go buy EVGA.

[zenith sonnet]

Get up to date chipset drivers. And run the regular Balanced power plan with a Ryzen CPU

[shadow minnow]

Idk, did not hear gigabyte has horrible reputation anywhere just not the best. Also heard similar things I did about Aorus about some msi and asus stuff tbh, so not sure.

[young pecan]

Apparently so.

[zenith sonnet]

MSI has gone down the shitter

[young pecan]

Discount that, then.

Have a bunch of 1000 series nvidia MSI stuff atm.

Troopers, all of them.

[shadow minnow]

I have used windows and macOS for some time and tbh really don’t like windows, but well, still building a pc instead of buying a mac for few reasons like app compatibility…

[young pecan]

MSI 1080 Gaming X is a beast of a card.

Thing snorts crack all day.

[zenith sonnet]

I had an MSI 7970, that was garbage. Also MSI boards at the time, issues to no end

[young pecan]

@shadow minnow Also not having the idiot tax applied to everything because every goddamn dev for Apple anything knows they can charge a 30% premium for everything.

Yeah, never go MSI boards either.

[shadow minnow]

Tbh this is the issue I have with reputation. Everyone has different experience, so some people say one brand is terrible, another say opposite and this is true for nearly all brands.

[young pecan]

MSI makes good cards, however.

But for boards? Honestly it comes down to Asus and EVGA as the best consistently.

EVGA has the crown and they have for YEARS.

[true quest]

my evga 1080 sags less than my gb 1060

[young pecan]

Some of the cheaper Asus stuff like their Strix lineup are all solid.

[pale sigil]

RMA is different for everyone

[shadow minnow]

I mean, not really anything. iPhones are definitely expensive but compared to other flagship phones they are around average, average is overpriced but same as other brands . Also price of panel of xdr display surprised me. Still some stuff like ssd and ram upgrades are extremely overpriced when it comes to Apple.

[pale sigil]

Sometimes it can be godly for one and awful for another

[young pecan]

@shadow minnow OSx I mean. iPhones are the one thing Apple can do right. Nothing else.

[pale sigil]

Evga was pretty good with me, they replaced my PSU but i had to wait due to stock issues but it was pretty smooth

[young pecan]

EVGA has been good to me for the entire time I’ve used anything of theirs.

[pale sigil]

Also I hate gigabyte too

[young pecan]

Had a situation where they replaced a 3rd hand PSU because I needed one. Very pog.

Big props for being cool.

[shadow minnow]

Even callum may disagree with that definitely not an Apple fanboy.
Tbh also think most of stuff is overpriced but with the M1, the MacBook Air does not look that overpriced to me tbh.

One thing I definitely would not buy from gigabyte though is PSUs

[young pecan]

sigh

Don’t get me started on the M1. It’s a huge ripoff not because of the hardware, though the IO is truly fucked, but Apples OS.

90% of the revenue comes from the OS in damn near all circumstances.

Just a way better platform for it.

[shadow minnow]

Idk had a bit better experience with macOS compared to windows. Also parallels now afaik support windows emulation on macs.

[young pecan]

Sure, and you can have fun paying 30% upmark on everything. Not acceptable to me either way.

Idc if Apple has to do software updates either, they’re a trillion dollar company, cry me a goddamn river.

‘Poor Apple’ can actually exit the building. They price too much when they’re one of the single wealthiest entities on the planet.

[shadow minnow]

(Not defending it just sarcasm ) well that’s the reason they are so wealthy

[young pecan]

Maybe I’d feel for them if they were actually losing heaps of money and trying to do good, but Apple’s MO is just so far away from that.

And then they do that stupid bullshit like release the new machines with fuck all IO even though they VERY easily could have added HEAPS but deliberately chose not to so they can sell dongles and further force consumers into their ecosystem to try and pull a Nintendo.

Pretty cool.

Doesn’t justify paying 30% more for all of the software, however.

And that’s really not viable all of the time.

Personally I can stitch together a toolkit of free and open source software to do jobs, but that doesn’t work for people that aren’t technically inclined.

[ashen spindle]

QoS is nice and all but same idea is coming with alder lake and mostly depends on OS scheduling over hardware

[young pecan]

And that’s great but 90% of most people owning Macs aren’t doing that.

They’ll download the Adobe toolkit and pay the premium.

Idk. If it’s made for a mac it tends to be overpriced because the Apple tax means that most people buying the products enough to need the ecosystem can probably afford it.

Multiplatform software tends to be unable to do that since it’d cause problems, but you’d need to be blind to miss how often it’s done throughout Apple’s ecosystem with smaller things and Apple specific things.

I mean on any PC there’ll be a shitload more IO than an equivalent mac.

I don’t need a dongle on a PC, mate.

shrugs I wouldn’t actually want that built into my PC.

[ashen spindle]

gimme a similar IO on mac and I might consider it

[young pecan]

EXACTLY.

Where’s all of that on a Mac?

10 USB ports, full audio in and out, Ethernet, HDMI, Type C, and optical.

Name me one single Mac product within 8 years that’s had that range of IO.

Not MacBook, full sized Mac.

No no, a full Mac.

[ashen spindle]

yeah neither will have any android phone, but a pc is usually not compared to a phone either so why are we on laptop now

[young pecan]

^

Exactly. It’s a stupid argument.

WElL pHonEs doNT hAvE gRaPhiCS cArDs, wHY sHoUlD PCS??

Bruh.

[ashen spindle]

im not calling MacOS shit because it cant run my server software either bc I wouldn't get a mac for that so it's a silly comparison

[young pecan]

Except a lot of people that do.

Except no.

A shitload of companies and video production people will own them.

It’s a lot easier to pay the premium than have to build your own system.

[reef patrol]

You DO realize Apple aren't the only ones making prebuilt machines, right? 😄

[young pecan]

Yeah, but most other people making prebuilds and AIOs are including good IO in them.

EXCEPT Apple.

[reef patrol]

Yes... exactly? You're not helping your argument.

[young pecan]

They seem to be the only company trying to push no IO on anything all the time.

[crisp granite]

just one thunderbolt x port

and a bird's nest of splitters and dongles

[reef patrol]

One port fits all - Just add dongle

[crisp granite]

🤮

[young pecan]

Look at any high tier product of theirs 8 years ago versus now. They used to have HEAPS of valuable IO, and now it’s all fucked off. Because they can get all of it going through one port with an Apple Certified Dongle that costs $200 USD.

[reef patrol]

I... don't recognize that observation at all.

[young pecan]

One thunderbolt port and 7 USB ports plus audio, HDMI, and type C. Yes.

[crisp granite]

usually they have, USB, 3.5, all that kind of stuff

[young pecan]

That’s typically the arrangement.

[crisp granite]

not just a single thunderbolt port

and if you're lucky, ethernet and a separate display output

[young pecan]

Again, you somehow miss the point.

Good on the brand if they’re adding Thunderbolt, good on them.

But they don’t do it at the exclusion of any other port they can justify fucking off.

That’s the difference.

Apple deliberately does that, they do it on purpose for the benefit of nobody but themselves.

[crisp granite]

means that they can sell every mac with a few hundred extra bucks worth of dongles

[young pecan]

sigh And not a heap of the rando average Apple idiot is buying them.

They’ll go right to the certified Apple man and ask what he thinks.

[crisp granite]

ye, most buy from apple, direct

[young pecan]

He’ll do his job and point at the $200 dock.

Sale.

And you’re smart enough to know, good for you.

This doesn’t apply to you then, does it?

No, the reason we view Apple as shitty is that they do this to the people without the knowledge to go ‘wait a minute...’

Idk how you’re struggling here.

You’re able to do your tech research, but not everyone is, not everyone wants to. Paying the premium for the scary confusion to go away is easier than doing it yourself.

Apple is GREAT at fucking people over with that tactic. Like removing all of the ports so you’re forced to buy a dock if you want more USB, or more compatibility. Most will buy from Apple, so that $1,800 iMac just turned into a $2,000 iMac because of the scary tech.

[halcyon moss]

there are def cheaper docks though...
I miss my old dock though and i wish i could just get one like it for my lenovo x1 extreme but there really isnt

[young pecan]

Yep, there are. But if you can find and research them you’re not the target.

See?

[ashen spindle]

but you do realize you can use a dongle on something with multiple IO ports too if you move it often?

having the option doesnt force you to not use one

[young pecan]

Of course. But that ain’t the point?

[halcyon moss]

2 usb c porst is quite limiting though

[young pecan]

^ That’s the point.

[ashen spindle]

yes my point is you can use all the benefits you have on a dongle without being limited by lackluster IO

[halcyon moss]

even just 1 usb a would have been super nice

fuck dongles

[young pecan]

That’s true, but was not the point? If you have plenty of IO why not also add a dongle or dock? They’re cool.

[halcyon moss]

barely probably

[ashen spindle]

yes that was exactly my point 😄

[young pecan]

But directly removing ports for the sole reason of forcing dongle purchases? Nah.

[halcyon moss]

hdmi is also real nice to have

[young pecan]

Mhmm. Also audio in and out.

[halcyon moss]

it does have that

well combines mic audio jack

[young pecan]

Is USB somehow legacy? Whut?

@prisma crag If it’s still commonly used and makes sense, slap it on there.

This isn’t something that needs a degree.

Common sense.

Is USB type A still used, Locke?

Do we use USB A?

I remember us still using it.

[halcyon moss]

got 2 in my laptop right now

[young pecan]

Idk, sounds like something that’d be nice to have.

Maybe being able to just, y’know...

No, barely anything uses it anymore.

And if you must use outdated plugs, use an adaptor.

We can even put an HDMI out on the device.

Which ones? I’m only seeing HDMI and DisplayPort?

And y’know what? If they have room and wanna include it, good for them.

Most laptops won’t need more than 3, and if you do buy a different device.

Different devices for different use cases.

Plenty of toughbooks out there that have loads of USB as well as Ethernet.

[crisp granite]

my old asus X541U from a few years ago had one

[young pecan]

Pog.

[crisp granite]

had both VGA and HDMI out

[halcyon moss]

my t440p had a vga. came in handy sometimes to use as a 2nd display out

[young pecan]

My last laptop only had HDMI out and it was fine. Never needed VGA since VGA is legacy af.

If I do end up needing it I have an adaptor, but probably not.

rolls eyes If I need an increase from 4 to 10 USBs I’ll get a dongle because the laptop can’t fit it.

But having them on the device is a good move anyway.

Again, how is this so difficult for you?

Include more ports on the device so you aren’t shafted into being forced to buy an all in one dongle.
It’s not hard.

[ashen spindle]

you notice when one person in the argument is american because suddenly there are only two options and no middle ground

[young pecan]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[crisp granite]

seriously

hit the nail right on the head

[young pecan]

It’ll always fucking astound me how stupid people can and will be.

[pale sigil]

People who talk like thst don't tend to have a great personality

XD

[young pecan]

I’m not wrong, though.

I am not wrong. :P

[crisp granite]

you seem unsure of that

do we really need all those IO ports (fuck yes, we do)

[young pecan]

If I can be proven wrong I’ll accept defeat, but until that point in time comes I’ll assume nobody can find a good point. :P

Good for you, but you aren’t everyone?

And uhh...

No.

You actually get along with 1 type C for power, and another for your fucking dongle since you can’t fit the rest of the devices into the device.

Mate.

[crisp granite]

never forgetti
wireless peripherals

[halcyon moss]

bluetooth lag ❤️

[crisp granite]

that lag

mm

a must have for the "limited IO" experience

[halcyon moss]

yes thats for the dock situation

[young pecan]

Smh.

[halcyon moss]

which many laptops already had before usb-c.

[young pecan]

@prisma crag YOU CAN USE BOTH, THAT DOES NOT JUSTIFY REMOVING EVERYTHING ELSE. xD

Omg.

[halcyon moss]

but it hasnt, usb-a is still here and still lots of things have usb-a

[crisp granite]

no, Aeon, remove everything, embrace bluetooth lag

[young pecan]

Lmfao

Don’t tempt me.

I’ll install dial up.

[crisp granite]

I tried to do that the other day

[young pecan]

Wot?

[halcyon moss]

once i used a magic mouse, the lag was immediately noticable -_-
besides it being an absolute trash mouse ergonomics wise

[crisp granite]

as a joke

[halcyon moss]

its a bit better than the apple clit mouse

[young pecan]

Remember bois, you can’t charge and use it at the same time because apples design team are actual mongoloids.

[halcyon moss]

god that mouse was absolute trash. objectively aweful

[shadow minnow]

I mean tbh even for non limited io, I found having all the usbs connected to monitor and only one cable connected to either pc or anything lot more practical, but still wish macbooks had more io, especially two usb cs are not enough.
Still great you can use MacBook with full charging mouse kb and monitor with just one cable which not all notebooks support.

[crisp granite]

MX master 3

that mouse

it's not good for gaming, I tried

but holy fuck

so comfortable

works with apple, no problem in my experience

[shadow minnow]

For me apple Magic Mouse lag was not noticeable, still hated it. Only good thing about it was being able to use gestures on it as if it was trackpad. Also kinda useless for windows.

[crisp granite]

because the shape is fucking awful

[young pecan]

The Magic Mouse is maybe one of the most awful designs in all of mouse history.

[crisp granite]

I'm sure a 10 year old child would find it uncomfortably small and flat

[halcyon moss]

fucking clit mouse, the sroll ball will get full of skin grease fast and its almost impossible to clean

[shadow minnow]

Also not being able to use both buttons at once

[young pecan]

It has some great points that’re just overshadowed by it’s awful design.

Truly, truly awful.

[halcyon moss]

http://www.oneduasan.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/mightymouse0.jpg

[crisp granite]

never forget

[young pecan]

I’d actually rather have my face beaten in with a rusty hammer.

[crisp granite]

that thing also just looks awful

[halcyon moss]

aw doesnt expand

that thing almost game me RSI

[young pecan]

Oh fuck. @halcyon moss that thing is terrible.

Delete it.

https://tenor.com/view/hugo-weaving-lord-of-the-rings-gif-12671347

[crisp granite]

I'm starting to feel pain using this viper mini

:(

not good

having to twist my arm down like that hurts like hell after a few hours

[shadow minnow]

I got really used to g703 hero

[crisp granite]

welp, I guess I'm gonna get the basilisk v2

I like the shape

and it's just as good as the viper mini specs wise

[shadow minnow]

NO

[crisp granite]

delete that shit

thanos snap that out of existence

that's what y'all should be hiding in area 51

not some unclapped alien cheeks

[halcyon moss]

my dad still uses a intellimouse

probably not

hmm mgiht get one myself :p

speaking of getting mice.. how is ninox astrum doing

[halcyon moss]

it is super awkward

[wheat plume]

If they want to show off hair physics, then longer hair would work better?

[ashen spindle]

not a demo, a product by someone who uses tressfx

[halcyon moss]

i like my xm3

i had my xm3's delivered on the same day, it really was delivered within a few hours

xm4's are a lot pricier though! i paid € 177 for my xm3

[cursive summit]

I mean essentially the only difference is the shape

Also I kinda want to see XM4s vs Melomanias

[dry tendon]

TressFX is good. Its basically better than Hairworks at least for single characters. IDK if it scales well with mobs though.
Perhaps using TressFX on main characters and NPCs and Hairworks on mobs / 2ndary NPCs is a good solution

[thick elk]

And remember in the case of TressFX it's licenced under the MIT licence, so companies / studio's that use it are not required to use the Tress FX name or even credit AMD for it.
It may very well be used a lot more than would be visible.

For example horizon zero dawn is one such game that used a modified tressFX on ps4 at least.

[astral haven]

tressfx has some very obvious artifacts that dont show up often

and hairworks is pretty bad for humans

ive never seen hairworks look good on humans

i mean to be fair ive never seen any hair look great on humans but this ue5 stuff looks alot better than hairworks hair

hairworks hair is great for animals tho

[dry tendon]

Exactly its good for mobs

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16742/an-anandtech-interview-with-dr-kevin-zhang-and-dr-maria-marced

[dry tendon]

Lol benching 6900 XT Red Devil vs RTX 3090 FE at 4K with @wintry cedar

[cursive summit]

That ain't that hard of a bench

Get some proper weights you pussy

[dry tendon]

Like your mom?

[cursive summit]

Nah like your pa, g

[dry tendon]

[wintry cedar]

3090 just got obliterated in one game

Serious Sam 4

[cursive summit]

Usually AMD does well in Horizon 4 or something

[dry tendon]

So far 6900 XT literally annihilated the 3090 in Crysis 1 (normal fuck the remaster)
3090 slapped the 6900 XT in Metro Exodus Ehnanced edition (all max)
6900 XT defeated the 3090 in STALKER's custom engine benchmark (new thing)
Red Dead Redemption 2 - Honestly it is a tie
Serious Sam 4 6900 XT curbstomps 3090

[wintry cedar]

• I would've bought the 6900 XT if it was available

[astral haven]

yall have the same cpu lol?

[dry tendon]

3090 has a 5900X. I have a 5600X with my 6900 XT

[astral haven]

i can see the 5900x being slower in 1t games like crysis and serious sam

[zenith sonnet]

You could disable one chiplet on the 5900X and reduce its clocks by 300 Mhz and reduce it's power limits to 65W to get a more equal result :p

[astral haven]

well can you tho?

[zenith sonnet]

Anyway, generally the 5900X will boost a little higher in 1T workloads

[astral haven]

no

[dry tendon]

Serious Sam 4 is not a 1T game

[astral haven]

not 1t workloads

[zenith sonnet]

5800X/5900X/5950X are all almost equal in 1T workloads, but the 5600X is a bit behind

[dry tendon]

it is actually one of the few games where 12 core CPUs monster 8-core ones

[astral haven]

theres a gigantic difference between what you think 1t means and what it actually means

if a workload only runs on a single logical core of a processor its not a 1t workload

[zenith sonnet]

Lol of course not

[astral haven]

thats just a thread limited to a core

[zenith sonnet]

Yes?

[astral haven]

a 1t workload is any workload with a ton of serial instructions

[cursive summit]

Not sure if this was posted

https://www.igorslab.de/en/amd-radeon-pro-w6800-w6600-and-w6600m-at-a-glance-with-our-own-pictures-and-a-first-hands-on-test/

[dry tendon]

Well if we had much more powerful GPUs than the 6900 XT and 3090

[astral haven]

and uh

[dry tendon]

my 5600X would get curbstomped by his 5900X

in SS4

[zenith sonnet]

A 1T workload is strictly one thread.

[wintry cedar]

I thought you had a 5800X @dry tendon

[astral haven]

the 5600x will slaughter the 5900x in any single threaded workload that doesnt forcibly limit itself to a single logical processor

now

[zenith sonnet]

It does not

It does not boost as high

[dry tendon]

5600X in the machine right now

[astral haven]

xeanoa

[dry tendon]

I am a scalper at heart

[astral haven]

you dont understand at all

[dry tendon]

OK explain

[zenith sonnet]

Now I'm curious

[dry tendon]

I dont get why it would win in 1T?

this doesnt make sense

[astral haven]

1t has many meanings

but from the game side it doesnt mean "stuck to a core"

[wintry cedar]

I've never seen the 5600X win in any published test or benchmark

[zenith sonnet]

1T has exactly one meaning. I single threaded workload. Like CB 1T. Prime with 1 worker.

[fickle ore]

he thinks faster core timings > higher boost

[astral haven]

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16220/119128.png

[reef tundra]

AMD sucks, everyone knows the most powerful gpu available is the Nvidia gt 710

[wintry cedar]

Ok now I have

[astral haven]

for example here is a 1t application that isnt aware of ryzen ccd

[zenith sonnet]

It does not need to be aware

[astral haven]

it does

if you cross ccds it dies

[zenith sonnet]

A single threaded workload won't cross CCDs

It'll bounce between the two highest rates cores on the first chiplet

[astral haven]

yes it will
if its not ccd aware

single threaded doesnt mean that only 1 single execution path is being used

[reef tundra]

125W for roughly 0.25 seconds faster performance instead of 65W

[astral haven]

imagine you have to multiply a number then add it to another number

[reef tundra]

jeez

[astral haven]

except instead of multiply and add you are doing much more complex stuff

[wintry cedar]

I can disable a CCD and retest

[astral haven]

and critically the second thing relies on the result of the first one

ye

do that

[ashen spindle]

I mean it makes sense and all, but only if you assume gimp has to be CCD aware, but shouldn't windows take care of that?

[wintry cedar]

Eventually

[zenith sonnet]

I don't know what that program does, but picking a program where all CPUs, intel and AMD, scale reversely to core count isn't a good example

[ashen spindle]

or is gimp overwriting windows scheduling

[astral haven]

nope

this happens normally with windows

[zenith sonnet]

Nah, it doesn't

[astral haven]

as soon as you have multiple threads in an application working on a serial process

[fickle ore]

this program is a bad example indeed, if anything 5800x should be faster

[astral haven]

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16220/119178.png

🤷‍♂️ the results are very consistent

[dry tendon]

So if Jester disables a cCD he will win? But this doesn't make sense in most games

[wintry cedar]

Well he didn't say THAT

but I'll test it

[astral haven]

nah he wont win

but its definetly not something to be comparing

and especially with the double write bandwidth on system memory

[ashen spindle]

hmm I feel like that still has to come down to the windows scheduler messing something up

[astral haven]

nope

[ashen spindle]

but the 5800x also only has a single ccd

[ashen spindle]

5900 I could understand

[astral haven]

windows scheduler cant do anything if you mess up how your threading is

[dry tendon]

From zen 2

[fickle ore]

@astral haven that has to be an exception, every anand low reso bench shows 5800x winning 5600x by a big margin

[zenith sonnet]

This is what normal scaling looks like

[astral haven]

not every

but most

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16220/119200.png
this is the average case

[zenith sonnet]

This program is 100% not aware of CCDs because it's written in 1995

[ashen spindle]

but zen3 has one ccx per ccd, you dont encounter a cross ccx situation on a 5800x

[fickle ore]

yea but check 600p for most, 5800x is winning there too

[dry tendon]

720p test

[fickle ore]

so idk whats with deus ex

[dry tendon]

5900X tied to 5800X

5950x fastest

[fickle ore]

techpowerkek

[wintry cedar]

Mostly modern games though

[dry tendon]

And in non demanding scenes

[astral haven]

like i said the app cant be numa aware 🤷‍♂️

[fickle ore]

this is the usual case..

[astral haven]

yup

thats what a properly coded program will do

and btw

the 10900k isnt numa either

[astral haven]

it has 2 cores which are slower than the others (along with the cache from those cores)

[fickle ore]

tho some games have 5900x/5950x on top even at low reso, idk whats up with that. probably benefiting from the extra L3 or just runs on a single CCD and boosts slightly higher at default

[astral haven]

good god xeanoa

[zenith sonnet]

5950X boosts higher than all other Ryzen CPUs

[astral haven]

what part of "poorly optimized" do you not understand

[dry tendon]

I honestly dont think the difference between the 5900X and 5800X even in worst case for 5900X matters TBH

[fickle ore]

yeah its irrelevant

I'd switch my 5800x to a 5950x any day 😛

[zenith sonnet]

What is poorly optimised?

[astral haven]

they tested two extremely 1t heavy games, and i said thats where the difference could have come from

[reef tundra]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/procthread/user-mode-scheduling
Hmm, it seems you can take control over windows sheduling and use this to instead for finer control and performance. At the cost of more complexity and ease of use. I think.

[astral haven]

serious sam is very well optimized to be fair everything is well threaded except for the raw rendering

nah pincus

[fickle ore]

@astral haven tho u didnt give a reason why exactly you think the 5600x is beating the 5800x for example

[astral haven]

if you spin up 10 threads, then have thread 1 request info from thread 9 the scheduler shits itself

5600x has more memory bandwidth available per core

🤷‍♂️

[dry tendon]

Well the fps difference in Crysis 1 was way too large for it to be from the CPU

[astral haven]

thats not true at all

[dry tendon]

@wintry cedar you can test Crysis 1 with 1 CCD off to see if it matters for that game

[astral haven]

my 6700k slaughters my 9900k in crysis with identical system except the 6700k has top end bdie instead of bottom end hynix garbage

[fickle ore]

@astral haven True for L3 but not for L1 and L2

[astral haven]

what

[fickle ore]

so idk

[wintry cedar]

yeah I'll turn off a CCD and test Crysis

that Serious Sam 4 difference is all RDNA 2 love

[astral haven]

im talking about system memory

[fickle ore]

ah

[astral haven]

l1 and l2 are identical between 5600x and 5800x

and the 5800x has the same amount of l3 per core but has more total which is good

[dry tendon]

My 5600X has 4x8 (dual channel, quad rank de facto) 3200 mhz memory and 1600 FCLK
He has 1900 mhz FCLK lol on his 5900X

[astral haven]

quad rank???

what janky ass memory is dual rank 8gb

[dry tendon]

Well it cant be dual rank if it is 1 rank per side. So with 4 dimms it has to be quad rank

[astral haven]

what

[fickle ore]

5600x has 32mb L3 and 5800x has 32mb also, soo technically 5600x has more per core unless there is an error on amd web page.

[astral haven]

ok memory is split into ranks and channels

[reef tundra]

You mean L1 and L2 cache are identical in the 5600x and 5800x.
OR
L1 cache is identical between 5600x and 5800x and L2 cache is identical between..

[astral haven]

you should have 2 channels with 2 ranks each

[dry tendon]

Yes I know exactly how RAM works. But if you have 4 different dimms its quad rank

[astral haven]

no

[dry tendon]

if I had a single stick it would be single channel single rank

[astral haven]

if i have 4 sticks 4 channels its single rank

[fickle ore]

@dry tendon it can be either quad rank or dual rank depending if the dimms are themselves single rank or dual rank

[astral haven]

ranks are an actual thing

[dry tendon]

if I had 2x 64 GB( highest?) it would be dual channel quad rank or even 8-rank

I see. I think the language here is inexact

[astral haven]

no its not

[dry tendon]

since 4x8 = 2x16

in performance

[astral haven]

no

[dry tendon]

as per testing

Yes

[astral haven]

not if the 2x16 is single rank

[fickle ore]

4x16gb usually is quad rank bcuz most 16gb kits are dual rank

[dry tendon]

OK fair enough

If its single rank you are right

[astral haven]

yes dag in the past but thats not true any more

[dry tendon]

but most 16gb RAM sticks are dual rank

[astral haven]

crucial is transitioning to single rank 16gb sticks for everything

rev b best rev

[dry tendon]

isnt that bad?

[zenith sonnet]

You count ranks per DIMM or ranks per channel. Counting all ranks together makes no sense.
Ryzen wants two ranks per channel, ideally

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ rev b is fast

[dry tendon]

I wanted 4x8 specifically to get the advantage of RAM interleaving

[astral haven]

thing is

[zenith sonnet]

I got 2x16 GiB, with the same benefit

[dry tendon]

Yes I know max clocks are impacted

but I dont OC memory past 3200 mhz

[fickle ore]

its kinda nice but hard to get 1T with 4x8 from what i've tried

[astral haven]

my dual rank 8gb sticks get slaughtered by my single rank 8gb sticks at the same clocks simply because my single rank sticks are bdie

and my dual rank sticks are cdie

its close to 50gb/s vs under 38?

[dry tendon]

So internal timing difference

[astral haven]

yup

[fickle ore]

im atm 4x8 3800/1900 IF/15 CL/T1 GDM

[zenith sonnet]

Dual rank B-die BiS :3

[astral haven]

very lucky dag here lol

[fickle ore]

idk lol

patriot vipers 4400/CL19 kit 😄

[astral haven]

ah

[fickle ore]

expensive kinda

[astral haven]

so you knew what you were getting

[fickle ore]

yepp

[astral haven]

the vipers are pog

[zenith sonnet]

If it's b-die, it doesn't really matter

[astral haven]

well

bdie is harsh on the imc

[zenith sonnet]

Mine runs 3666 C14-13-13

[astral haven]

but zen 2 and above can handle dual rank bdie no problem

[ashen spindle]

meanwhile I gotta figure out what 64gb kit is available at a decent price that is useable at good speeds and wont kill the IMC for a colleague that'll be fun

[astral haven]

only zen 3 can handle quad rank bdie without dying

[dry tendon]

I still think rank should coincide with either Ram stick or channels. Since when someone says Dual rank dual channel I do not know if they are referring to dual channel with 2 sticks of 1 rank each (so RAM modules on one side only) or legitimately have two ranks (two ranks on each side or 4 sticks with 1 rank on each side)

IMHO addition = removes all uncertainty

its as simple as possible

With zero leeway for mistakes

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle Buying RAM for anyone else than yourself

I hate RAM shoppin

[ashen spindle]

well I got him the 3080ti at msrp and he's gonna pay me for building it

[astral haven]

2 channels 2 ranks means 2 ics attached to each trace and 128 traces

[dry tendon]

I once got took a DDR3 Ram module from the trashcan at Uni and just put it in my old PC

[astral haven]

it doesnt really matter what else

if they are wrong and its quad rank then they are wrong and its quad rank

ranks are actual things

[fickle ore]

ahh if hes paying then thats nice

[dry tendon]

One other thins - RAM manufacturers very rarely put rank on the site for the modules

IMHO that is assholish

[astral haven]

thats because they change

🤷‍♂️

[dry tendon]

cunts

[fickle ore]

Backtrack to L3.. AMD webpage lists 5600x has 32mb L3 and 5800x has 32mb also, so wouldnt the 5600x have technically more L3 per core?

or maybe there is an error

[dry tendon]

yeah but if the program doesnt use the core

[astral haven]

oh wait what

[fickle ore]

I recall 24mb for 5600x

[astral haven]

uh

im pretty sure thats wrong

[dry tendon]

it doesnt matter

no it is right

32mb is on the whole CCD

its available to all cores

[astral haven]

wow

[dry tendon]

only L1 and L2 are attached per core

[astral haven]

well then yea the 5600x would have access to more l3 per core

and more l3 bandwidth per core

in addition to the memory

[ashen spindle]

that's why a 5900x3D with one CCD disabled could get some insane results in benchmarks that really use the L3 cache it will have

[fickle ore]

No real benefit I guess unless you run some bad program still stuck to 1T that is gonna suck up that L3

[astral haven]

nope quin

[ashen spindle]

why not?

[ashen spindle]

96mb vs 32mb l3 cache for 8 cores sounds like a big difference

[astral haven]

l3 access latency across if is as slow if not sometimes slower than going out to system memory

[dry tendon]

Ok but he is talking V-Cache (lol these names)

[fickle ore]

disabling ccd should disable the available L3 in that CCD, no?

[dry tendon]

its 64 mb bolted on top of the CCD

per CCD

[astral haven]

thats not on zen 3

[dry tendon]

yeah but he asked about that specifically

[ashen spindle]

???? l3 is on the ccd how tf could it be slower than going through the cIOD

[astral haven]

i thought you were talking about the real 5900x that exists

not the prototype zen 3+ cpu

[ashen spindle]

no the upcoming whatever its called they showed

[astral haven]

yea

that guy would be bonkers

[dry tendon]

@astral haven AFAIK any one core can address all 32MB of L3
So I dont think that it matters that the 8-cores have to share more

if the app uses 3 cores - > same l3 is available between 5600X and 5800X

So if an app only uses 6 cores, there is no difference between the 5600X and 5800X in terms of per core L3

[astral haven]

if there are useless threads taking up that l3 bandwidth it hurts the 5800x more

[fickle ore]

@dry tendon that pog if true

[ashen spindle]

yeah I called it 5900x3D bc we dont really know the name it will have

[astral haven]

but also quin
the extra l3 is striped on zen 3+

so its absolutely crazy bandwidth

[ashen spindle]

yeah its basically just more L3 with normal L3 access times from what we know so far

[astral haven]

well no

its parallel l3

which is different from more l3

because more l3 would be increasingly slower

[dry tendon]

if you guys wanna talk bandwidth

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez68BkhX0AAkJsz?format=jpg&name=large

[astral haven]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16214/lat-5950.png

[dry tendon]

Big Dick

Infinity Cache is brutal

[ashen spindle]

"This V-Cache chiplet is 64 MB of additional L3, with no stepped penalty on latency. The V-Cache is address striped with the normal L3"

[astral haven]

yes

[ashen spindle]

so basically more L3 with no added latency

[astral haven]

added l3 would do the blue
striped l3 does the red

theres a huuuuuge difference

[ashen spindle]

I assume my wording was bad because I did mean normal l3 times = how the lower ammount gets accessed, not how it would get accessed if it was 96mb in traditional, planar l3

[wintry cedar]

disabling the CCD dropped Crysis performance a wee bit

[astral haven]

lmao wut

[dry tendon]

Remember if you disable a CCD you are losing on writer performance

but it should not matter in 99% of applications

[astral haven]

pretty sure thats not a concern for crysis

[ashen spindle]

did you disable the CCD with the better performing cores?

[wintry cedar]

Before:
Min FPS = 41.72
Max FPS = 132.49
Average FPS = 76.69

CCD disabled:
Min FPS = 39.40
Max FPS = 125.86
Avg FPS = 70.4034

[zenith sonnet]

Always disable CCD1

[wintry cedar]

my BIOS only has "Auto" or "1 CCD"

[zenith sonnet]

CCD0 is always the stronger CCD in Zen 3

[astral haven]

the amd provided option disables the worse ccd

well no

ccd 0 is

😛

[wintry cedar]

CCD 0 is what's active

so no problem there

[astral haven]

^

[dry tendon]

Average FPS: 97.42
Min FPS: 54.65 at frame 3945, Max FPS: 169.46 at frame 1823
Average Tri/Sec: -29646418, Tri/Frame: -304328
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.04

5600X + 6900 XT Red Devil

[astral haven]

wow

[zenith sonnet]

Fixed

[dry tendon]

I actually did not expect RDNA2 to win lol

neither in STALKER nor in Crysis 1

[astral haven]

rdna2 is faster

[fickle ore]

AMD OP

[dry tendon]

only in Serious Sam 4 did I expect to win

[astral haven]

gpu clocks do in fact have meaning

[wintry cedar]

I have a ticket to your country and I'm leaving with your 6900 XT

[zenith sonnet]

It seems like RDNA2 does scale better with newer tech

[dry tendon]

Oh shit

[astral haven]

well no xeanoa thats the opposite of the conclusion that you would draw from these results

it did better in the older games lmao

[dry tendon]

@wintry cedar Does Unreal 1 have a benchmark lol ?

[wintry cedar]

nope

[astral haven]

actually

[dry tendon]

Lets duke it out in the GOAT

[fickle ore]

idk ur settings but AMD has much less cpu overhead on DX11.2++

[astral haven]

can yall run the ue5 demo?

[dry tendon]

imma download it

[wintry cedar]

we were gonna do that tomorrow

[dry tendon]

I dont have it DLed

so tomorrrow

[astral haven]

do you want a compiled version

its 25 gigs 🤦‍♂️

[ashen spindle]

enjoy the nice 30fps

[crisp granite]

sorry to interject, ladies

but

stalker tool/benchmark

[ashen spindle]

looks nice but man did it make me sick from all the temporal effects

[crisp granite]

sauce

svp

[dry tendon]

@crisp granite
New_Project_Benchmark_Beta
https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-new-project/downloads/new-project-benchmark-beta
Here

[crisp granite]

thanks

😄

[astral haven]

it looks like complete trash without the temporal upsampling

[fickle ore]

Xeanoa is actually right, AMD in general gets worse if we go back in years since most games didnt have their renderthreads multithreaded

[astral haven]

except thats the opposite of the result here

[fickle ore]

Only after render threads were multithreaded by the game engine, AMD starts to pull ahead

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/no-u-no-no-you-uno-uno-revere-gif-21053426

[dry tendon]

@fickle ore it depends on the specific game. For example, CSGO is DX9 and RDNA2 wins in CSGO

[ashen spindle]

I know, I still got a ill feeling after going through the demo for a bit to compare it what someone else got with his 1080 lol

[zenith sonnet]

Metro just plays well on Ampere is the case here

[astral haven]

rdna2 = higher clawks

[dry tendon]

Metro has RT -> extreme RT

[astral haven]

vs ampere

[dry tendon]

so RDNA2 gets beaten bad

[astral haven]

pascal had higher clocks than polaris

[zenith sonnet]

Not surprising, given it's one of the major RTX launch titles

[dry tendon]

Exodus Enhanced Edition is IMHO neutral

[astral haven]

but ampere has lower clocks than rdna2

[reef tundra]

enhance

[dry tendon]

it has full Async COmpute support for RT and it uses Inline DXR 1.1 RT

[reef tundra]

but irl

[astral haven]

thing is

gotta remember

[crisp granite]

nevah

[dry tendon]

Unlike Control or Cyberpunk, RDNA2 has good occupancy on Exodus Enhanced Edition

[astral haven]

rdna2 is doing half as much raytracing in dedicated hardware as compared to nvidia

[fickle ore]

Yeah, well, like I said the CPU overhead starts to matter at some point (high fps)... CSGO is a good example so the results are expected

[crisp granite]

low poly models and no AA forever and ever

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-bwahaha-bobs-burgers-gif-5632048

[astral haven]

the less raytracing you do the better rdna2 does

[zenith sonnet]

Even if the render path is neutral, most if not all RTRT titles are optimised toward Nvidia's hardware strengths

[astral haven]

yes

full hardware acceleration

[dry tendon]

@astral haven
I think you may like this ;d
https://www.sapphirenation.net/rdna2_2021

[reef tundra]

I will shoot you, dammit. I cleaned the kalash finally

[dry tendon]

its good ;d I did my best

[astral haven]

is better than less hardware acceleration

[fickle ore]

I can't see Nvidia really beating AMD in anything non-proprietary atm

[astral haven]

i mean

[fickle ore]

if you enable SAM, etc

[dry tendon]

Ampere does have higher compute overall. So it CAN win

[astral haven]

they literally win every time in raw raytracing perf

[dry tendon]

it wins in Doom Eternal Fair and Square

[reef tundra]

SAM why you need anti-air for

[dry tendon]

and in Wolfenstein 2 and Youngblood

[ashen spindle]

does raw product volume count?

[astral haven]

and anything that needs more than 256MB of active memory

[reef tundra]

Does price count?

[fickle ore]

pfft shush :b

[crisp granite]

AMD cards seem to be unobtainium atm

[astral haven]

who were the people benching?
im not willing to post my google drive link publicly

[crisp granite]

while NVidia is Reallyfuckinghardtoget-ium

team green wins

[dry tendon]

here in Bulgaria at least, getting an RTX card is not hard but its super expensive

[astral haven]

yup

[dry tendon]

RX 6900 XT is 2900 BGN. RTX 3090 is 6000 BGN

it is what it is

[crisp granite]

👀

that ain't right

[fickle ore]

wehre are the AMD cards going, all nerds are buying Nvidia. Thought I'd get cheap 6700x

[ashen spindle]

amd has like no volume

[dry tendon]

People here mine like crazy. They see 3080 and 3090 have good hashrate = buy 3080 and 3090

[crisp granite]

tbh

[dry tendon]

which makes sense tbh

[crisp granite]

on the plus side

for AMD

and for NVidia atm

they're selling absolutely everything they're making

no dead stock

[fickle ore]

TSM still hjavent discovered the ocean near them?

[crisp granite]

apart from those mining thingies

those are fucking hilariously huge wastes of time

[ashen spindle]

tsmc is not behind on making it, they are just overloaded and making gpu chips costs more wafer area for less money made

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/7Mdr6Nyljao

[fickle ore]

stupid car companies and mobile phones taking all priority

[ashen spindle]

nah cars usually use older nodes way above 10nm bc more mature is better there

aside from like tesla for self driving chips etc.

[fickle ore]

omg who evne wants one of those

I want to self drive never gonna change

[ashen spindle]

but you dont need 7nm bleeding edge for a radio and bmw's default cruise control

[dry tendon]

I just want an APC

[true quest]

the desire to self drive can change in the future

[dry tendon]

F it. I want biological immortality. If the cost for that is no driving and no drinking - I will pay it. And I am from the Balkans so no drinking = big sacrifice

[fickle ore]

PFFFFF says the boomer

[zenith sonnet]

Aside from Tesla wanting that 10 TFLOP RDNA2 chip for their entertainment system

[reef tundra]

What you need an APC for? what warzone you living in?

[crisp granite]

that's literally impossible to do

giving up god's nectar like that?

[dry tendon]

He will take me one day anyway. For sure

I just dont want it to be of old age or disease

[crisp granite]

I'd rather it be old age

[fickle ore]

what does self driving have to do with that

[crisp granite]

not an accident or disease

[reef tundra]

Drink less will help

[crisp granite]

[dry tendon]

No

[reef tundra]

Heard of water, son?

[dry tendon]

http://www.twm.news/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Steiner2.gif

[crisp granite]

I mix my Rakı with it

[fickle ore]

Yeast in beer is good for balancing optimal telomerase length, when you're shortening them with caffeine.

All in moderation, folks

Beer in one hand Coffee in another.

[dry tendon]

Huh Caffeine shortens muh telomeres?

[fickle ore]

For sure

But not Coffee.

[dry tendon]

I am abandoning coffee starting from next week
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/918041375806509375/8A3EA55C35FD6286128CF3A2FA706E9884DDD10F/

[fickle ore]

Coffee actually increases you length

but caffaine shortens them

[reef tundra]

Cell replication is the cause of telomeres shortening.

Our cells suck at replicating itself.

[dry tendon]

So Neutron radiation = stop cell reproduction due to lack of DNA

I figured it out people

GG WP

Imma become immortal now

[reef tundra]

New radiation type. Alpha, Beta, Gamma and neutrons?

[dry tendon]

Ehh this is what I was referring to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_radiation

[fickle ore]

What about neutrino radiation?

[reef tundra]

Oh, that unbound neutrons are radioactive

instable

[crisp granite]

🤮

[dry tendon]

Yeah. I will go eat a Cobalt Warhead

[crisp granite]

you sick fuck

vex

[reef tundra]

decaying into protons and electrons

Fusion bombs are superior, fax

[wheat plume]

Can you upgrade from "Stable Beta" to "Stable" through OTA once Stable is released??

Cause it seems this is stable beta

[cursive summit]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-benchmarks-leaked/

[dry tendon]

I dislike the 3070 Ti but you know the drill

3060 Ti GOAT

[halcyon moss]

graphene

so itll never leave the lab?

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/RKrVnUzxL08?t=248

I hate when peple catch me torrenting por...porcupines

[halcyon moss]

i mean, that is where the quality stuff is

[wheat plume]

:P

[wheat plume]

🤔 why is there disk activity??!

[ashen spindle]

no context lana strikes again

[reef patrol]

Indexing?

Godly intervention?

FBI is looking for your loli folder?

notAVirus.vbs is scanning your harddrive?

[wheat plume]

I have no context either, I just noticed it took too long to open a folder and went into task manager to look

[ashen spindle]

yes you have context you at least know what programs you have open

[wheat plume]

teams, VS Code, Discord, Firefox

system settings, task manager, file explorer

[ashen spindle]

auto update, download, youtube or something running, vsc compiling something, how tf are we supposed to know what you were doing in any of those xD

[wheat plume]

🤔

wtf is this?!

[reef patrol]

That is Onedrive caching.

[ashen spindle]

could've been synapse or armoury crate too

[wheat plume]

SA@IOPTFghjs\iogu I DISABLED ONE DRIVE .-.

[reef patrol]

And this service.

Which basically takes backups of your user folders. Documents etc..

If you use neither...just change that service to disabled and stop it 😄

[wheat plume]

O.o

[ashen spindle]

might be something via teams too since that uses onedrive

[wheat plume]

fucking hell, nearly out of space on my 1TB drive too.....

[halcyon moss]

some ppl have an ssd smaller than that

can you imagine that? I CANT

[ashen spindle]

20% >no space

[wheat plume]

I have 3 SSDs :D 2 250GB and this 1TB

[reef patrol]

Can't relate.

[halcyon moss]

250 is already too small to be comfortable usable imho

[wheat plume]

It is no space if I wanna install a new game

[reef patrol]

Can't relate.

[halcyon moss]

heh

[ashen spindle]

yea it is for 99% of games

[wheat plume]

Gimme

[ashen spindle]

sure CoD maybe not

[wheat plume]

and BF

[halcyon moss]

lol

[wheat plume]

and GTA

[ashen spindle]

cod/bf is the same just like gta/rdr2 is the same for me

so 2 games, still not most

[halcyon moss]

its always a pleasure to see some games being <1gb

[ashen spindle]

?

[wheat plume]

I really need to spend time and delete all the duplicate images and documents

[reef tundra]

Cull the homework

[wheat plume]

cause some of the documents I have on windows and linux are this drive are duplicates

[halcyon moss]

nah, just buy a bigger drive

that has worked for me for >10 years

[solemn compass]

can't relate 😛

[wheat plume]

nearly fucking should, but if I get an m.2 I cant copy over the data from this m.2 drive to the new one

[wheat plume]

why is F empty? XD

[solemn compass]

xD

because my projects aren't that big

it's my older hdd

[wheat plume]

ooh

[reef tundra]

I have to add mounting of my harddrives to the startup script some day.

[halcyon moss]

i have a spinny disk in my desktop, but it's power isnt connected

[solemn compass]

this is on my F disk

[reef tundra]

Ohh he is botting

[wheat plume]

Is there any way to natively read my Linux drive in File Explorer?

[solemn compass]

im working on a personal project where I can scrape lyrics on the song you currently listen to, which works quite good. also you can see stats of your listening activity

[wheat plume]

oo!

[reef tundra]

Windows doesnt like reading anything not windows

[wheat plume]

I know ;-;

[solemn compass]

there is a program for that I think, but it's a bit of bitch doing it. the last time i did something similar i just used my raspberry

[latent mural]

i think you can access stuff through WSL 2

never managed to get it to work though

[halcyon moss]

waterplantinator

[solemn compass]

xD

[halcyon moss]

automating the watering of your plants?

[solemn compass]

it was supposed to be plantwaterinator. but we fucked up

yea

with a waterpump

and tons of sensors

[wheat plume]

I forgot I had this video.... IDK why anymore but I love the animation so much, super freaking smooth

[halcyon moss]

nice, i had an idea for that some time ago too, but never came further than looking on ali express and deciding it was too expensive to have sensors and taps in every pot

[solemn compass]

yea, this was a school project to automate a mundane task. wasn't that difficult tho, only worked for 1 plant in our setup. you could also see all info through an app. pretty nice

xiaomi also has a plug and play solution if you are interested

[halcyon moss]

got a link? i know they have a sensor, but last time i looked it was bluetooth and fairly pricy

[solemn compass]

hmm, yea i can only find the sensor. could've sworn that I saw one that waters your plants

maybe on this link there are some devices that you would like https://www.amazon.com/automatic-watering-system-potted-plants/s?k=automatic+watering+system+for+potted+plants

not that expensive

[timid chasm]

This guy gets it.

5.8TB of games installed and 5.1TB left before I need a new drive 😄

[solemn compass]

damn

[halcyon moss]

fr games i i jsut delete it. but for my personal files, yeah.. bigger drive with every new pc/computer

need to update my nas soon 🤔

[timid chasm]

Oh I have personal files on a different drive and delete nothing

Only my OS drive gets reformatted for new installs every now and then

[halcyon moss]

ah i wanted to make it per pot so you dont have water to all of them

[solemn compass]

ah right

[halcyon moss]

but that might have been over engineering it haha

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16744/noctua-nh-p1-passive-cpu-heatsink-spotted-at-newegg big metal cube coming to your pc soon

[crimson wigeon]

Can I get a whole PC case that's just heatsink

[vital osprey]

yes

https://www.monsterlabo.com/the-beast

[crimson wigeon]

That looks too normal

[wheat plume]

Extremely Fanless
Has 2 fans on the promo images

This looks pretty awesome though

but I would think its a 3D printer and not a PC :P

[halcyon moss]

too bad THE case is so extremely tied to your choice of cpu

or gpu

[wheat plume]

huh?

pretty sure my case could fit any CPU

[halcyon moss]

doesnt it have heatpipes directly going to the cpu and gpu?

[wheat plume]

well, the cooler for the CPU

[halcyon moss]

im talking about labo, not your s

[wheat plume]

ahh

oh, it doesnt come with the actual hardware

No mobo, CPU or GPU

[cursive summit]

That is 10x over the price

20$ for the materials, 730$ the markup

[wheat plume]

hahha

BuT MuH CRaFTsMAnsHiP

[halcyon moss]

maybe the raw materials.. but def not the creation of it

[ashen spindle]

well gl making a case with good passive cooling without knowing what you do

• low number of production

and from what I remember it even was good enough to cool a threadripper

[halcyon moss]

600 watts of heat i read somewhere

[wheat plume]

wow!

[shadow minnow]

Any way to find out if cpu or mobo is faulty when it comes to z590?

[pale sigil]

Tweaked my lock screen

[wheat plume]

I love it 😍

[pale sigil]

Windows 10 inspired xD

[wheat plume]

I love the wallpaper :P

TBH, the clock design on Windows 10 lockscreen is nice

[wheat plume]

Get rid of the notification and it could trick people into thinking its windows

[wheat plume]

:D

[pale sigil]

Yes

[wheat plume]

TIL you can change your Windows account photo in system settings

Instead of using the one that is attached to your MS Account

[wheat plume]

Can you hide Notification contents on lock screen?

In not jailbroken iOS

[pale sigil]

Yes

[wheat plume]

Ok good good

I like that feature on Android, after it detects you with face unlock you can choose to stay on the lockscreen and notification contents will become visible once it knows its you

Or you can skip immediately to have it unlock to the home screen insteaed

I also hate that some versions of Android and also iOS dont let you disable the settings toggle on the lock screen .-.

Anyone trying to steal your phone could easily swipe down and turn off data, location and wifi

I have that disabled always too
cant get to any quick toggle :D

IDK if its possible to disable that on iOS

[young pecan]

Jailbreak fixes all of these things.

Make custom quick toggles. :)

I personally keep all of the non mission critical stuff off the Lock Screen.

[wheat plume]

I miss the quick toggles to disable camera and mic that I had on Pixel Experience Plus

They dont exist on MIUI

[young pecan]

I have that on my XS Max. :D

Was a bitch to make it work, however. :L

[shadow minnow]

It’s the same with iOS afaik

[wheat plume]

Yep :D
If Google stop putting pathetically small batteries into their Pixel phones, I may get one

BuT AnDrIOd HAs AI BatTERY ManAGeMent

AND??!!

Having a 2800mAh battery in a €750 phone is pathetic

especially with a 90Hz screen and always on radar sensor

[shadow minnow]

Battery life of 6s plus on iOS 14 beta was really bad. I mean, that’s always true for betas but it was really worse than usual. 12 pro max can luckily last me whole day, usually with over 50% battery life left when I come home

[wheat plume]

I want Pixel can clean Android and software updates for 3 years

[shadow minnow]

iPhone 6s Plus getting iOS 15 is quite Pog imo. Over 6 years of software updates, most likely will end up at exactly 7 years which is a lot. Does not feel like such an old phone too. Well, after using 12 pro max it does but didn’t before

[wheat plume]

My previous phone has amazing custom rom support <3

my new one... not so much

[shadow minnow]

My new phone has non

[wheat plume]

welp

[shadow minnow]

I mean, jailbraking is possible I guess

But that disables some stuff afaik

[young pecan]

Just want a modular phone.

Lemme put big battery in. :D

[pale sigil]

Jailbreaking doesn't disable anything

It can trip some apps though

But that's down to the apps

[young pecan]

Install jailbreak bypass for that.

I use Choicy, A-Bypss, and Shadow.

They work on everything except mobile games.

[pale sigil]

Don't use an iPhone so never needed to

[young pecan]

@brazen vapor Ah, that’s a rip.

[shadow minnow]

Tbh I got so used to magsafe I would rather have Apple Watch level of water resistance and portless phone with bit bigger battery.

[young pecan]

Aaaaaaaaaand that’s gross.

Why not both? Not like we can’t water insulate modular components. :/

[shadow minnow]

Idk. But that’s just for me, understand nearly no one else would want it. Just want it since I never use the port on my phone anymore so why not a bit more battery life and maybe even water resistance, but that may be possible without that too.

[pale sigil]

I've never needed water proofing in my entire life

[young pecan]

^

What’re you doing, swimming with it?

Metre water pressure resist is way more than enough.

[shadow minnow]

I mean it would be cool to be able to play sounds under water

the thing is that sound spreads differently underwater and is more hearable from longer distances and is quite interesting but that’s another thing

Overall just having more water resistance to be sure you can time to time make photos with phone underwater, or just wash it since corona or idk. Also small flashlight for diving I guess

[pale sigil]

But you'd be using the wrong equipment if you wanna take under water photos anyway

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-aldebaran-cdna2-gpu-for-instinct-mi200-has-primary-and-secondary-die

https://www.pcgamer.com/senate-pass-bill-innovation-competition-chip-shortage/

AYEs

I always knew politicians were pirates