dragging my discord window now on the desktop is tearing 🙂
#🔌│tech
fickle ore
@crimson wigeon yeah yeah we get it, no need to nitpick, it's technically on but the composition is off for a given program
crimson wigeon
Or it's on but not running vsync'd
fickle ore
or globally off for all programs in this case
Your right DWM probably does many things but as a gamer when I refer to DWM I talk about the frame buffering
reef tundra
send a kill signal to the compositor and be sure its not running
fickle ore
So good it can be bypassed now, that's what I care, now I can play games in windowed again
reef tundra
Just because the latency caring nvidia implemented a 5 year old feature
How generous
But should intel not be ashamed to make nvidia look bad?
Almost as severe as AMD software supporting nvidia's hardware
fickle ore
Nothing about AMD having that feature tho
As I'm buying an AMD GPU would be nice to know
fickle ore
@reef tundra Just wondering can you feel the difference on desktop with cursor movement?
pretty night and day even with a 280hz monitor
reef tundra
Not much changed, but im not even running the same operating system 
Hmm, wait who is hogging up my memory?
Discord, ofcource. 5.2% ffs
crimson wigeon
UnUsEd RaM iS wAsTeD rAm
old marlin
Fixed, ah. much better
That is how good ram allocation works
replied to the wrong message
wheat plume
Not much changed, but im not even running the same operating system <:OctoDab:58...
Isn't that the distro without systemD?
old marlin
which case would be a good idea to mount a 420mm aio in?
crimson wigeon
That's a chonker
old marlin
did not fit in a define 6 btw
even though they calim support for it
I assume they mean when using low profile ram
or something
idk
vapid zodiac
tt core p5 would fit it
old marlin
yea but not at the top
only in non-ideal orientations
also the core p5 is a dust magent
and in general quite ugly imo
vapid zodiac
i havent had any issues with dust
and from a fluid dynamics pov, you dont want hot air going through your rad so having it at the top is actually worse for heat dissipation, for flow yes you want your pump to be below the rad so perhaps a sideways top mounted rad would be optimal
reef tundra
Isn't that the distro without systemD?
My init does not need the D
ashen spindle
oh rip, a coworker asked me when I think gpu prices will get normalized bc he wanted to know if he should just wait for a next gen release end of the year
had to tell him there wont be shit until q4 2022 and he got sad
crisp granite
:(
ashen spindle
it's sad but can't believe people just hoped RDNA3 would be this year
crisp granite
it's sad but can't believe people just hoped RDNA3 would be this year
wait
no
that makes no sense
why release 2 generations in the same year?
ashen spindle
ye 😛
but yeah, Q4 for both amd and probably nvidia
nvidia could be a bit earlier but who knows
crisp granite
mid gen refreshes, like the super cards, sure
ashen spindle
yup
crisp granite
brand new cards, new architecture sometime this year, lol nope
ashen spindle
well, we are getting the Ti cards now already
so idk what exactly a super line would look like
crisp granite
so idk what exactly a super line would look like
3090 Ti
super
69420 xD gamer card
reef tundra
funny number
ashen spindle
even more memory, even higher price tag, even less performance
the true gamer card
crisp granite
even more memory, even higher price tag, even less performance
you know it
slap "gamer" on a product, and you can charge three times the price
just look at razer, corsair, logitech and others
reef tundra
Some red leds for added performance
ashen spindle
wait I just realized something
amd can do it starting with rdna3, intel maybe a bit later
crisp granite
👀
ashen spindle
if they release gpu and cpu around the same time
crisp granite
do what?
ashen spindle
they can create things like SAM and make for bigger incentives to jump to team red when you have a green card for example
crisp granite
oh
reef tundra
First cpu-gpu to be married together
crisp granite
interesting
but...
meh
if RTX continues like this, and AMD climbs ahead in that
I'll definitely go team red
reef tundra
Nvidia is its own worst enemy
ashen spindle
or just in general have more incentives for people to upgrade since both cpu and gpu will be out at one time, which wont matter for actual performance, but just making it easier for people who want to latest and greatest
reef tundra
If it would just sit in the ball pit for a week it would be more productive
ashen spindle
you want the best gpu that comes this year? if the latest cpu comes at the same day, might as well just get that
could do wonders for OEM/general market share
if engineering can follow the same time steps, gotta make a reminder on a calender for q4 2022 to me so I can revisit this thought lol
reef tundra
Some female looking character to make the internet go full horny mode to market the duo
ashen spindle
genius
old marlin
and from a fluid dynamics pov, you dont want hot air going through your rad so h...
had different experiences there
ashen spindle
are you a big cpu or big gpu guy? dont worry {female name} has both now!
old marlin
friend of mine dropped 3 C off his CPU by moving the rad to the top
ashen spindle
speaking of that, are there any decent GPU AiO options for the 30 series cards?
reef tundra
Any gpus to use them on?
ashen spindle
colleague I got the 3080ti for wants to maybe watercool it but not full on custom loop
I know nzxt has these adapter brackets so you just use a cpu AiO but idk if they are good
vapid zodiac
friend of mine dropped 3 C off his CPU by moving the rad to the top
if his pump was starved of fluid, would do that
vapid zodiac
yeah, just make sure your pump isnt at the top of the loop and youll be fine
reef tundra
Eh as long as it aint making a vortex it aint going to be an problem ||yet||
Air in the pump is a feature. Hybrid cooling technology ™️
zenith sonnet
Nothing about AMD having that feature tho
Lemme know if you find out
Didn't AMD inherently have slightly lower latency, though? Or am I misremembering?
astral haven
At the same fps they have the same latency with low latency modes disabled
For their low latency modes check battlenonsense
But the tldr is that higher fps is better, but nvidia reflex low latency can break that rule
fickle ore
ofc they don't have the same latency, every driver stack is different
low latency modes and reflex only apply to gpu bound scenarios which is inherently more laggy than cpu bound scenario anyway
astral haven
Actually that's not true
fickle ore
yes it's true
astral haven
Reflex low latency breaks that rule
fickle ore
again false
fickle ore
it's not possible for reflex low latency mode to be faster than cpu bound scenario; there is no need for a video
astral haven
Reflex is game engine stuff
fickle ore
it doesn't matter
astral haven
Literally watch the video
fickle ore
..
hard thicket
ey no hate towards battlenonsense, he does actually quality stuff
astral haven
It's basically burst processing
reef tundra
It does bursts of processing
hard thicket
damn
reef tundra
ratatatata
hard thicket
didn't thought of that
reef tundra
its a machine gun! ITS A MACHINE GUN!
crisp granite
its a machine gun! ITS A MACHINE GUN!
get down!!!
reef tundra
With larger machinegun you dont want to burst fire, more jamming
edgy hull
Rendering bullets from a machine gun is burst processing
reef tundra
Either you fire or you dont
crisp granite
Either you fire or you dont
magdumping is dumb, embrace short burst
astral haven
Where it would just bypass queuing on the gpu to fix the palette limitations
reef tundra
magdumping is dumb, embrace short burst
Does one hell of a job keeping people pinned down and suppressed
fickle ore
In a cpu bound scenario there is no back pressure or frames in the buffer; so it's always slightly faster than reflex
reflex is faster slighty than low latency modes.
crisp granite
Does one hell of a job keeping people pinned down and suppressed
and really wearing down your MG, causing malfunctions
astral haven
Well no
fickle ore
low latency modes do nothing on a cpu bound scenario
hard thicket
and really wearing down your MG, causing malfunctions
it's a tool afterall
astral haven
Disabling the buffer entirely is still faster
reef tundra
Two magazines anyway befor you swap em out
hard thicket
a tool to defend your FREEDOM
fickle ore
@astral haven you're just mistaken how it works but ok
hard thicket
<@!126850798666645504> you're just mistaken how it works but ok
man i try to hold my self back but.. no u
astral haven
<@!126850798666645504> you're just mistaken how it works but ok
Watch the video
He explains it all there
fickle ore
XD
reef tundra
Explain the answer to the universe he will
fickle ore
tldr; cpu bound scenario > driver level implementation (reflex) > gpu bounds scenario with antilag on > gpu bound scenario with frame buffers.
astral haven
Yes and lower down in the article they explain how with reflex low latency the queue can be fully disabled where normal game engines don't do that
astral haven
It's the only solution that doesn't hurt cpu bound scenarios yet helps gpu bound scenarios
And in extreme cases can help cpu bound scenarios
fickle ore
It's not perfect, just like low lag modes are not, its just a lot better. There are frames where the input grabbing was too late or too early and lead to buffered frames or jitter is too big due to sudden increases in frametimes, etc
hard thicket
5nm audio amp soon
fickle ore
And no it can't help cpu bound scenarios, it's not possible. That's the lowest lag possible.. Unless you got an explanation how it could..?
astral haven
"acoustic, 276-megahertz amplifier,"
The type of amplifier is acoustic
It's not for audio
276mhz is rf
hard thicket
fair enough
astral haven
And no it can't help cpu bound scenarios, it's not possible. That's the lowest l...
Normal pipeline goes cpu processing > buffer> gpu
Reflex axes the buffer
An empty buffer is extremely fast but it still is two transfer operations instead of 1
reef tundra
And no it can't help cpu bound scenarios, it's not possible. That's the lowest l...
The best would be allowing the GPU to become a master on the PCIe bus and auto initiate without the CPU having to babysit it
astral haven
Tbf that's actually ns, but say the cpu then receives another instruction of higher priority priority the game in that intermediate time (like the hpet or mouse poll), it could still get sidetracked
Yup
reef tundra
DMA controllers
astral haven
That's why proper hardware scheduling is pog
reef tundra
PCIe 4.0 should allow for that I believe or 5.0 would
fickle ore
There is no buffer in cpu bound scenarios. It's sent instantly to the gpu.. Same thing as reflex tries to mimick in a gpu scenario, by timing the frames to the input grab.. Unless you're literally rendering to the monitor front buffer which no modern game does.
astral haven
No
That's not true in normal games
I'm not talking about the frame buffer I'm talking about the render queue
All games with tearing are rendering to the front buffer
fickle ore
no they are not
crimson wigeon
If they were you would see the render action happening in realtime, it wouldn't be pretty
fickle ore
no game is doing racing the beam atm, old stuff..
astral haven
Ok they are being rendered to the gpu front buffer not the monitor buffer
fickle ore
If you think about cpu bound scenarios; where cpu frames are 100% faster than render frames.. There is no render queue at all. It's instantly flushed.
If they are allowed to run unsync
and the cpu isnt waiting for the gpu.
reef tundra
The DMA allows for transfer of memory without clogging the cpu cycles to do the addressing, put the data on the bus. Verify transfer. repeat. With a DMA you can just tell it where to start reading or writing the data, what interrupt it has to react to and if it has to tell the CPU when it is done. It will handle the rest, in the background while the CPU can fuck off and do other things than basic adressing
astral haven
there is no render queue
And
it is instantly flushed
Are two entirely different things
reef tundra
Expanding on that you can even allow it to do make instructions to itself
astral haven
1 is incorrect for directx, Vulcan, and opengl games without trickery
Reflex low latency (not null) is trickery
fickle ore
Like I said, if cpu&gpu run unsync in cpu-bound scenario, it's faster than NULL or Reflex.. Got nothing else to say on the matter so feel free to disagree
reef tundra
It could initiate reading from system memory without needing the CPU to tell it what and when. Most importantly the CPU might not need to do more than reset the pointer and set it off again. few instructions. But that is expensive when you need to switch the context for it. Increasing the overhead massively for the tiny tasks.
astral haven
What you are describing isn't possible without a custom protocol like cxl
But the plan under pcie is to use hardware scheduling to at least allow the gpu to move around its own memory without the cpu sending instructions per mem swap
reef tundra
The hard part is implementing the idea. Having to keep it secure with code that varies from good to nightmares. That all parties involved know what is and is not permitted
astral haven
Yup
reef tundra
Especially when you allow other devices to work with system memory without cpu intervention
reef tundra
Basic principle would be that processes can only access what they are allowed to. the system has to define what the software can.
astral haven
Yup
Great read
No
You do know the turbo button dropped the clock to 100mhz from whatever it was to make games tied to system clock run at the right speed?
neat oriole
Apple stalking features lmao
astral haven
There were alot of cpus over 400mhz that were locked to 100mhz because of that button doing the opposite of what makes sense
Apple ahead for multitasking?
In what way?
I'm not clicking on that video
Especially not without a timestamp
Uh
This what you are talking about?
Samsung has had this for 10 years
crimson wigeon
So they invented the taskbar?
astral haven
And they also have proper windows and proper mouse and keyboard support that doesn't force you to go into accessibility settings
vapid zodiac
looks like you could do this for the last... 20 years on windows
we pretend windows phones didnt exist
neat oriole
Apple: privacy is a fundamental right.
Also Apple: hey psst, you can find out where people took their photos.
astral haven
Like for productivity you get a surface
fickle ore
@astral haven I double checked everything and even the nvidia page says reflex doesn't completely disable the render queue, it just minimizes it. Conversely in 100% cpu bound scenario there is no queue at ALL, effectively disabled.
Look here https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/reflex-low-latency-platform/#nvidia-reflex-sdk-latency-pipeline
direct quote: "As you can see, the render queue has pretty much disappeared. The Reflex SDK doesn’t disable it though, it just empties it. But how does this work?"
So that reinforces my point; a driver solution with jitter is never as good as a hard solution, effectively a disabled queue, provided the gpu utilization doesn't rise above 90%..
For Reflex the total system latency is: [CPU frametime] + [GPU frametime], because the CPU cannot start work on Frame 2 before GPU has finished rendering frame 1.
For CPU-bound vsync off total system latency is: [GPU frametime] - because if frame 1 takes 5ms for the CPU and 2.5 MS for the GPU, the CPU can start working on 2nd frame while gpu rendering finishes, so the total system lag is essentially halved, to 2.5ms for sequential frames.
astral haven
Same amount of bending same number of battery explosions but waaaaaaay better interface
astral haven
<@!126850798666645504> I double checked everything and even the nvidia page says...
That's actually fucked then
That makes no sense, it has to be doing something otherwise it wouldn't do anything in cpu bound
But it does in fact decrease the maximum and average frametimes
reef tundra
Apple: privacy is a fundamental right.
Also Apple: hey psst, you can find out wh...
Facebook cares about your privacy too!
dont laugh too loudly please
cant have it on the mic
neat oriole
Facebook cares about your privacy too!
Can you feel it? All the e girls who are about to get doxxed because of Apple 
reef tundra
Can you feel it? All the e girls who are about to get doxxed because of Apple <:...
Like a fresh pallet of personal data to 500 million people being bought up to propagandise to them better. 
fickle ore
@astral haven which results are you comparing to? If this, then it makes sense since NULL is low lag mode that just lowers gpu render queue to 1, but it increases lag again because it syncs the GPU + CPU, so the total system lag is again [CPU frametime] + [GPU frametime]
and yeah reflex is much better than NULL
reduced buffering is OW's in-engine method of hard syncing cpu + gpu
so its better being "off", if you're truly cpu bound
in battlenonsense's test there is no test sample for: cpu bound + reduce buffering off + reflex off
ashen spindle
maybe raja got him hidden till DG2 launches
shadow minnow
This WWDC is Pog
reef tundra
WWDC? Wack Wonder Direct Current?
dry tendon
All of these talks about latency in games that alreaday have so little ... funny. YOu'd think gamers had far superior genetics to trained fighter pilots (and be nigh superhero level) when in reality most of the nerds can't even react to a ball coming their way.
The games run fine guys
reef tundra
Its so good it naturally has to weed itself out of the gene pool 
fickle ore
@dry tendon well played strawman
dry tendon
Always the best.
chrome estuary
i really don't know why they don't just move the ipad to macos...
it's already got the fuckin m1
fickle ore
@dry tendon Gaming is very competitive, like many contact sports such as wrestling, bjj, boxing and kickboxing.. A lot of similarities 😉
reef tundra
Like Romans
dry tendon
<@!188968123808874496> Gaming is very competitive, like many contact sports such...
Yeah sure. If you say so :P.
But lets say I accept that and agree the top 0.01% (the actual pros) are indeed fighter pilot level in reaction times and processing time. SOmethign that is unfortunately 90% genetics and no amount of training can help you. But so be it. How does this affect the rest of the nerds? Especially the average RX 6900 XT + 5800X CS GO Silver 3 at most player?
reef tundra
<@!188968123808874496> Gaming is very competitive, like many contact sports such...
Thats it you are getting a bath
dry tendon
From my personal experience
Average Ultra-high end gaming PC and optimized system player - Silver or medium rank at best
The poor Russian kid living on fried eggs and using a Celeron with Intel iGPUs = Gold or above rank
reef tundra
Thats not how the stereotype goes 
me brain now fried
dry tendon
Isnt that how it goes ? At least my personal experience on CSGO ;d
fickle ore
@dry tendon Doubt it 😛 it's a cool stereotype though. Like a rich guy compensating with an expensive car. Dunno if there's any truth to it.
Not going to write my life story but; my reaction times are like top 98%, when compared on popular sites (they're probably not correct tho). I do competitive sports and competitive gaming at usually around top 10% level. I'm too casual and old to be better than that, but gaming is nice pastime. Reducing overall system latency and seeing the effects has been a fun little research sideproject for around a decade. Not too concerned either way. Not sure what you mean with the rest of the nerds 😄
dry tendon
Top 98% is still not good enough. You need to be nigh posthuman to notice these differences. SOmeone who is above all other humans ever TBH.
I dont mean to offend though. I am mostly memeing because I think it is fun. I respect trying to tweak to reduce system latency the same way I reduce power consumption for example. I just... think it is hard for it to matter if we already have good parts.
As for myself - I am good at CS GO XD. Or used to be. I am still young but I just lost interest in playing more competitively IDK.
The nerd thing is just memeing. But ... IDK I am a salty bastard since I feel modern gaming is soulless so there is that too.
astral haven
It definetly adds up
Especially if you are using a strobed monitor and a high speed mouse
In osu for example I can easily tell the difference between 8000 and 1000 fps
And this is on a 240hz monitor
fickle ore
@dry tendon All good no offense taken, I'm 30+ so having pro athlete level reaction times (around 125ms avg in humanbenchmark) at this age is already a win scenario for me. There are too many research papers and too few at the same time; but latency reduction in the couple ms could lead to statistical, yet minuscule differences, say 1-3% improved accuracy and faster learning over time. This is helpful for oldies such as me. I don't need to train so long as the youngsters, because I train smarter.
astral haven
If the difference between 20ish ms and 19ish ms is that big, imagine what 1-2 ms would feel like
fickle ore
It might amount to something or not, which is why I'm gathering data
astral haven
Thing is too
It's not all about actual amount of time to do an action
It can often be about providing the brain enough information to better predict
dry tendon
IDK. This seems... too small to be picked up by humans
fickle ore
That's the point, it doesn't need to be picked. It can be statistical, yet be meaningful
astral haven
Human eyes track objects insanely fast
dry tendon
Ultimately, no matter what optimizations one does, someone better at the game or with biologically superior (at least for reaction times) genetics will always stomp hard. 😦
reef tundra
like your name is dream
reef tundra
Nah, get lucky with a prefire
astral haven
Some people are smarter and can get the same amount of practice faster
But it's still practice
fickle ore
@dry tendon the pros that Ive seen that tried humanbenchmark, I have better reaction times than them but I couldn't dream beating them
dry tendon
That is simply not true. In sports, if you have the right genetics and a high level of practice (so not zero of course, still a lot) you will always defeat someone who trains even harder than you.
fickle ore
so either I am more gifted in that department or have better system
astral haven
There are a pile of csgo pros with 160ms+ humanbenchmarks
fickle ore
yeah im like 125ms avg
dry tendon
This is how you become top 1 in sports. TOp 0.01% percentile genetics
reef tundra
Sometimes some random neural links form that are just more able to lead to more than random luck in predicting if the other player is behind you because you seeze louder than usual that day
astral haven
And I know of a bunch of semipros in the 120 to 130 range who put in a tooooon of time
20k hours and all that
But they still lose
Even tho they have better genetics
fickle ore
@astral haven simple reaction time vs complex reaction time... latter gets better as we age and former seems to get worse to a point.. they seem to converge at the age of 30... which is optimal from that PoV, but that age sucks for a PRO esports player.. 😄
or atleast, used to
dry tendon
So you are telling me gaming doesnt follow other SPorts in terms of success? Weird.
astral haven
Tibaw is close tho
reef tundra
You can lose from a beginner level player because they just seem to luck out with their accidental mouse presses
astral haven
Gaming follows mental sports
Muuuuch more closely than physical ones
Think chess and poker
fickle ore
Yepp
dry tendon
My 1500 ELO in CHess vs Global Elite in CSGO. Which makes me a bigger nerd?
reef tundra
Poker is great, you losin. then pull out the gun and shoot the guys to win
Easy game
fickle ore
You can lose from a beginner level player because they just seem to luck out wit...
Well luck is the necessary evil 😄
astral haven
1500 elo is worse than 90th percentile I think?
fickle ore
You just need a system that weeds out luck best as possible
reef tundra
The highest level requires both skill and luck to get there.
cursive summit
In chess you end up starting with 1000 elo or something
reef tundra
Have to be lucky enough to be there at the right place to be recognised and recommended to play at a higher level
cursive summit
Global Elite is a time, competency and luck chore
In chess there is no luck, you either get outplayed, or outplay
reef tundra
chess is quite mental
dry tendon
Global Elite is the thing that made me stop wanting to play MP games
reef tundra
you can make the opponent make mistakes with the right ques
astral haven
Your elo will go down even if you are only losing to really good players Iif you never play against worse players
cursive summit
Global Elite is the thing that made me stop wanting to play MP games
*CS:GO is the thing that made me stop wanting to play MP games
You play one match, and we done out here. Lost faith in humanity
reef tundra
Time to go to monke
astral haven
I get good matches still
fickle ore
@dry tendon I never got to GE but I played consistently in the SFMC? with autoshotty lol, then got bored cuz the game kind sux. This was back in 2015/2016 so idk what it amounts to rankwise these days.
1.6 was so much better
reef tundra
Deagle goes bonk
cursive summit
Nah I much prefer GO to 1.6
reef tundra
Ssg-8 only, lets go
astral haven
Ssg-8??
reef tundra
Team seething at my 16k but i cant hear them over my money
reef tundra
The budget awp
cursive summit
So autosniper?
reef tundra
for people with aim
cursive summit
Budget awp is technically revolver yeah
fickle ore
scout was gg in 1.6 for jumping, fastest ig runspeed. think in csgo it was nerfed bad
reef tundra
the autosniper is pretty good when towering with your m8
hard thicket
there is still the spray and pray scout aka deagle
cursive summit
SSG is still bonkers in CS:GO
astral haven
Revolver best ver
reef tundra
five-seven :)
astral haven
Yup
cursive summit
Tec9 is ballers
dry tendon
1.6 was so much better
Fuck CS 1.6 Wolfenstein Enemy Territory is good
hard thicket
remember the good old tec9 meta
cursive summit
ENEMY TERRITORY
reef tundra
Armour melting super ammo
astral haven
Tec9 got nerfed hard yet it's still actually good
cursive summit
Holy shit I haven't heard of that game for years
The one game I actually sucked in
Cause somehow I always managed to die
reef tundra
So the average playthrough of dwarf forttress adventure mode
Why is this a thing and why am i now dead
shadow minnow
Also iOS 15 on iPhone 6 s plus is Pog
crimson wigeon
Enemy Territory hell yeah loved trickjumping and those trickjump maps
cursive summit
Nobody wants to talk about Apple
dry tendon
The one game I actually sucked in <:lul:576475280303063096>
"The one game"
cursive summit
I am usually quite competent in anything I touch nowadays at least
reef tundra
Murder the king as soon as you could, become the king, they wont believe your attempts to come clean about your regicide. They wont listen. got assasinsated for being too populair. nice
cursive summit
But back when I was like 8
Enemy territory killed me internally
Some fucking bhopper just one shots you
reef tundra
Some fucking bhopper just one shots you
git gud
cursive summit
And you are left wondering, wtf just happened
That was 8 year old me at least
I did love the base wars gamemode though
Upgrading your shit
reef tundra
I liked to see huge armies clash
hard thicket
then you'd love eve online
reef tundra
especially ones setup to me winning
hard thicket
but i don't recommend it
reef tundra
20000 archers vs 120 peasants. fair fight. I won, how nice. lots of arrows
Thats how i felt somewhat competent in total war series
fuckin taxes
hard thicket
as if those scums of ccp actually cares
dry tendon
China is a superpower. They literally do not care at all about what some tiny little Polish video game says.
reef tundra
How did it become a thing in the first place. People just choose winnie the pooh randomly or there some story behind it? The rest is history :) people use it more and the government became more against it untill completely banned and furfilled the prophecy the meme declared
shadow minnow
It looks like I may finally get a replacement mobo tomorrow Pog
dry tendon
It is just like when people from SA or EE shit talk the US. It is an Imperialist Evil Superpower. It doesnt care and never will care what small companies or people say or think about it. They are irrelevant for it.
reef tundra
China is a superpower. They literally do not care at all about what some tiny li...
It hurts the ego of the cult of personality/dictator. whatever you can call that perversion.
dry tendon
He likely doesnt even know about it. It is probably part of the propaganda wing to decide this. And hurting the ego is irrelevant. Hurting the economy / culture / soft power / miltary will matter.
reef tundra
He knows exactly what cards to play
If he himself had to give the order or the police themselves did it. 🤷♂️ still banned
and the rest of the world now knows :)
dry tendon
And what will the irrelevant rest of the world do? What the US or Russia does = matters. What Poland does = doesnt matter
reef tundra
China is terrifying. Economy is bound to crash, they are getting really militant and they have nukes. Or atleast it has the ability
dry tendon
Yes they are terrifying. Not much more than RU or US though.
reef tundra
Russia you just need to be part of the oligarch and not criticise the government. US have some minimal standard they keep themselves at.
dry tendon
Yeah I disagree on both. Way too many warcrimes and black ops and bullying of smaller nations via hard or soft power for them to be much better
slightly better that much I can give
misty saffron
so apple introduced ocr for pictures and screenshots in ios 15
feature i didn’t know i needed
dry tendon
What do those things do?
reef tundra
Like their involvement in the soviet-afgan war and the terror groups they funded ended up why they are having troops in afganistan right now
reef tundra
Cant hear you in 90's era libraries
they think you said: Apple good, give all money right now
misty saffron
i’d expect apple to nail it
their handwriting recognition is really good on ipad with apple pencil
reef tundra
Thats not the only thing getting nailed at apple 😏
misty saffron
i already do thanks
reef tundra
frick
reef tundra
Ultra dum
misty saffron
yeah that just looks a bit thinner than an apple watch
dry tendon
It was some sort of 2010 Mac Desktop computer
I disliked the UI a lot. IDK about their other devices
misty saffron
there’s nothing wrong with macos once you get used to it
dry tendon
IDK. I just dont see the appeal
misty saffron
i’m 100% sure i’ll just sell my expensive pc and get an imac once they release a model with more ram
dry tendon
Arent they both Personal Computers though?
misty saffron
can’t game on a mac
shadow minnow
If I didn’t want to play games tbh I would just buy a MacBook. Sometimes I just personally prefer sinplicity over customization. Even though tbh there certainly is stuff about macOS that is very annoying
misty saffron
well, you can, but it’s a miserable experience
i have an xbox series x anyways so i don’t feel like i need this pc all that much anyways
shadow minnow
I mean games that have been recorded for metal can run pretty well on M1 and especially will on future M processors that may have four times the GPU cores
dry tendon
Consoles dont have games though
wintry cedar
the best mac is a big mac, which isn't saying much
misty saffron
yeah, have fun playing anything that doesn’t look like minecraft on a mac
dry tendon
Only multiplats and mediocre movies that want to be games are something else...
There are no mods, no emulation, very pooor old game selection
misty saffron
i only play dota 2 and story games lol
reef tundra
I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
Wise man
misty saffron
There are no mods, no emulation, very pooor old game selection
now that is not true
dry tendon
I understand a Mac PC more than a console TBH
misty saffron
there is emulation
dry tendon
Show me how your Xbox Series X will emulate a PS2?
misty saffron
retroarch lul
dry tendon
Is this I can see in action right now?
misty saffron
yes, look up xbox dev mode
reef tundra
Give money to apple to pass time.
dry tendon
So the Xbox can play:
All PC games ever
Emulate all consoles
Play all mods
I mean.. why didnt they advertise this then?
misty saffron
ps2 core im pretty sure was meant to come out some time ago
dry tendon
it would make it not a POS
dry tendon
I see. Well then it still is no bueno.
misty saffron
dev mode is a special mode where you can run unsigned UWP apps
dry tendon
But I am surprised if it can actually emulate other consoles
reef tundra
If Apple was so good then why did they never release Apple 2 then
misty saffron
it depends on what you call apple two
dry tendon
Many of the best or at least top tier games in many genres are really just mods. I know most casual gamers dont believe me but it is true
misty saffron
i would’ve bought that new imac right away if they had more ram
shadow minnow
Well M1X will hopefully come soon
misty saffron
it’s just a very appealing computer
shadow minnow
And that should be more IO more performance and more ram
Yeah, for that it’s an issue
misty saffron
i only play dota 2 so
wintry cedar
Dota 2 originated as a mod but you probably know that
shadow minnow
If I didn’t play pc games I would just go for mac tbh. But sadly even parallels or stuff like boot camp can’t run everything
wintry cedar
I meant the lineage, Dota being originally made for Warcraft 3
misty saffron
yes
dry tendon
... Uhm yeah and that means its lineage is from a mod 😛
so the game you play has its DNA in modding
dry tendon
Dota's existence is an affront to God for sure.
dry tendon
IDK what UMS is
misty saffron
you can be sure as fuck they didn’t
reef tundra
Do ya like jazz?
dry tendon
Only for casuals to then turn around and be anti-modding in return. Such is the life of someone who cares about gaming - a constant stream of disappointments stretching to infinity.
reef tundra
misty saffron
never gonna play lol
looks like a kid game where everyone just runs around and kills
no brain required
reef tundra
Just like the copy paster
zenith sonnet
Apparently I must have elite genetics 
reef tundra
You mean the speaking snow piles were human?
reef tundra
They were hunting prime soviet meat
crisp granite
scary
queen onyx
Did you guys fix the bug where the pc wont shut down anymore once the app has been started
ashen spindle
zenith sonnet
Maybe that would fix the bullshit that is BoI?
It feels so bad to play
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet Bol?
zenith sonnet
Binding of Isaac
It feels so off to play it
It does some weird window mode bullshit
And the latency hit is quite noticable
fickle ore
hmm, atleast it would help 😄
worth try
the lower fps the bigger the effect
sleep gn
zenith sonnet
Gn
ashen spindle
2 fps for that price? with the current supply that is a good deal
reef tundra
I know right. Its almost stealing at that point
ashen spindle
exactly... now give me your gpu 
reef tundra
https://youtu.be/fQmL9HtGbvU copium
Just straight facts right there
now give me the card
reef tundra
im sorry, i just need to drive a display. if only there was another way.
He actually did it. We are so close to victory..
ashen spindle
but now that I got a gpu for him, my coworker cant even make use of it because he has to travel to the states again for work
reef tundra
How unfortune he cant use it. That would mean he wont miss it too much being in your machine
reef tundra
This is not voluntarily, his flight has been required.
ashen spindle
even at msrp a 3080ti is too stupid for me to use
reef tundra
But you could run.. the benchmark at 300 fps or something
Get the card first then figure out how to even use all the power
Might be able to run a powerpoint without it randomly having to spin the fan
When nvidia becomes the the challanger instead
ashen spindle
ehh then the original plan wouldn't have been to put it at 1k
but we know that was the original price they set
reef tundra
They just wanted to rub it the fact it was never going to sell at that price
ashen spindle
pretty much lmao
reef tundra
get prank'd lmao. deal with the fact people sold their cards at a fraction than a new one would be now.
Anyway let us raise the price to not give the hope it will happen soon
we need money, Arthur. we got a plan
But the largest joke is the supply
I dont get that joke though
ashen spindle
yeah it flew over me and I didn't catch that one either
reef tundra
shit, atleast your coworker did. But he going to the US so thats not possible to ask aswell.
Maybe your dog?
I guess a lot are not going to get the joke 
reef tundra
Guessing he had the pleasure of using a lenovo convertible
old marlin
no
not even
one of the auditors had the pleasure of bringing one in
and of course it broke
does not switch between dekstop and tablet mode correctly
and forgot it had a rotation sensor
was gone with a windows update
restoring the regisrty key of course did not fix it
this is a laptop
most of them are decent
aka
dell
or hp
old marlin
lenovo seems to have made their machines crappy by design though
also idk what your point even is
this thing was never intended to be gamed on
and even then
laptops are VERY powerful atm
more than ever
ok
look at laptops 5 years ago
also I am looking at business devices
most of them have that down
ok
yea
start spamming more links
instead of reasoning your opinion
reef tundra
Didnt even have the budget to throw in a 2nd sensor to make it more "bussiness" ready
old marlin
also when tf has the alternative to laptop gaming been a console
old marlin
Didnt even have the budget to throw in a 2nd sensor to make it more "bussiness" ...
yea or maybe just have it not break
seemingly the driver just went away
I hope windows update fixes it
otherwise I have to sit through their shit lenovo driver update procedure
reef tundra
The battery gone to shit or it just uses that much?
reef tundra
Weird it needs special drivers and couldnt make it properly and send native signals so it would always understand the sensor. Dont know where that sensor is located. could be pcie, could be usb, maybe they went full big smart and have it on the ISA bus alone 🤷♂️
old marlin
dunno why a lenovo convertible has anything to do with that
I am starting to doubt this even has a sensor
which does not really make sense
reef tundra
and lenovo is intel in disguise?
Probe the entire pcie to see what snitches on itselfs
reef tundra
Cant probe it or it doesnt show up?
oh right, windows does that using device manager instead
dry tendon
I honestly think LOL + Valorant + WOrld of Tanks PC + CS GO + TF 2 + War Thunder + DOTA + WoW >>>>> every single console exclusive combined in terms of how many people play them and how much money they make
old marlin
Cant probe it or it doesnt show up?
I don't even know where I would start looking for it
dry tendon
I mean, just World of Tanks alone has 2- 2.5 million players across all its servers at any one point in time. The PS Network has like 12 million active concurrently
old marlin
yea but some laptops are not ideal configurations
therefore laptop bad
!!!!
also atm is off
so I can charge the battery a bit
fml I hate this thing so much already
reef tundra
Mobile processors have that sensor on the same die as the processor to make sure it will keep working as the image is there
old marlin
Mobile processors have that sensor on the same die as the processor to make sure...
yea idk
maybe it does not have one
I don't even know what model it is
the designation is rubbed off
reef tundra
Intel and AMD wont do that, they have to use the silicone for functionality what people normally get a laptop for over a tablet
Batteries last 2 years typically. after that any performance is luck
wheat plume
Or maybe both?
reef tundra
old marlin
I think it is 10 inch
reef tundra
Multiple levels of data and password security.
bs, marketing already
reef tundra
Are celerons even made in the last decade?
reef patrol
Yep
old marlin
apparently
reef patrol
They just keep coming.
old marlin
huh
am gonna try this
cause apparently it has a sensor for it
and ik that registry entry is kinda wonky on this specific one
reef tundra
This is what we like to call, yanky shitty hotfix that became the permanent solution anyway oopsie doopsie good luck with diagnosing that
old marlin
This is what we like to call, yanky shitty hotfix that became the permanent solu...
or "prob some registry cleaner"
I hate those things
I swear to god
this problem was probably caused by some IT "specialist" using ccleaner or some shit
old marlin
just useless ballast
reef tundra
delete
reef tundra
Authentication? its a hassle anyway
But now you can nearly claim that page from the registry and use for your own ends.
Doesnt CCleaner come with malware in the box nowadays?
reef tundra
PUP if you are a anti-virus and dont want to deal with angry mallware developers
reef tundra
GData (Google Data Protocol) provides a simple protocol for reading and writing data on the Internet, designed by Google
crimson wigeon
If only it was that
reef tundra
reef tundra
G Data CyberDefense AG?
ashen spindle
was fine many years ago when I used it in wind xp times
reef tundra
av-comparatives.org
Gold award for highest detection rate of products tested (99.7%)[17]
Gold award for highest proactive detection rate of new/unknown malware (~61%, with 20 false positives)[18]
IPACSO Innovation Framework for ICT-Security
Innovative Cyber Security Company[19]
cursive summit
Highest detection rate 99.7%?
reef tundra
I wonder how much the site asks to get those results
old marlin
if you want high detection rate
cursive summit
Kaspersky would like to have a word with you with its 100%
ashen spindle
100% AV yea ok 
old marlin
you can expect actual proffesionals at every AV company
cursive summit
https://youtu.be/fL6J64HpPkQ watched this a few days back
Held up against modern ransomware with the file antivirus disabled
100% effectiveness
old marlin
100% effectiveness
reef tundra
Cutting the cable is more reliable
cursive summit
Like sorry not sorry but Kaspersky's protection is actually great ngl
ashen spindle
nobody argues against that so far
reef tundra
How much do you get payed to say that?
ashen spindle
but 100% detection is just not happening lol
crimson wigeon
What you mean ze german software is not of the highest quality?
cursive summit
but 100% detection is just not happening lol
It happened though?
cursive summit
Like I'm sorry but if you disable the file AV and still run modern ransomware and it doesn't do shit
Then that's some fine protection
ashen spindle
ok but that doesnt matter if there is some variant that doesnt get detected even if you dont disable the file AV, nobody cares about that part
reef tundra
Cool you dont only let putin guard your pc but also the nsa
git gud
not the bots and miners problem's they are hoarding it all up to profit of it.
hard thicket
the best malware protection is common sense and not clicking on any link that gets thrown to you
reef tundra
shady.link
shadow minnow
I mean not really, there is stuff you can’t download without shady links, like mods to some games….
hard thicket
then rip you i guess
on my gaming machine that's the reason why i don't bother with anti-malware softwares at all
it's just annoying
and why bother aslong as you don't store private/important files on your rig anyway
misty saffron
It happened though? <:lul:576475280303063096>
no, it will never happen
dry tendon
reddit is cancer
cursive summit
Far less cancerous than Twitter
Also depends on the community
Saying reddit is cancer is like saying humans are cancer
Yes, but with caveats
shadow minnow
I mean there are not that bad Twitter sections, same with Reddit. Just not most of them…
wheat plume
Does this Ryzen Balanced power plan go as high in performance as the High Performance plan during heavy load?
misty saffron
just use ryzen master
wheat plume
isnt that for OCing?
halcyon moss
why would you ever use powerhigh power unless you want to waste a lot of electricity
wheat plume
No no, my question is, under heavy load, will the current balanced plan let it performance as fast as the high power mode?
reef patrol
IIRC using high performance just makes it go full blast at all times. Even when it really doesn't need to, wasting power.
And yes.
wheat plume
or does it always restrict it?
reef patrol
It will ramp up. It just won't BE there at all times. It needs to accelerate.
wheat plume
ooh ok, so itll be the same as if I had high performance enabled during heavy load?
shadow minnow
After over 40 days
wheat plume
huh??
misty saffron
weirdly enough my ryzen doesn't do boost clocks at all times anymore
reef patrol
Any repair shop paperwork, @shadow minnow ?
misty saffron
i guess the algorithm updated
reef patrol
Usually you get a paper stating what has been detected, fixed and who was in charge of it.
shadow minnow
Any repair shop paperwork, <@!590931863951114260> ?
Only thing it says it that it was “repaired”
Will look if there is something more
halcyon moss
leave it on balanced
reef patrol
Oof.
Sounds like you have some angry emails ahead of you...and more waiting. 😦
very unhappy emails
wheat plume
hmmmm
misty saffron
auto oc is retarded
wheat plume
same
halcyon moss
aren't the boost on >=zen2 already almost as good as its gonna get?
wheat plume
This one is maxed at 3.60 without OC, and 4.20 OCed
misty saffron
zen 2 boost sadly doesn't give a shit about the temps
halcyon moss
aka, very little overclocking room
wheat plume
o.o
misty saffron
had to manually set voltage to 1.25 all the time when i had a shitty air cooler
wheat plume
🤔
misty saffron
otherwise it's a vacuum cleaner 100% of the time
wheat plume
nearly 4GHz doing nothing much
halcyon moss
thats a lie probably
wheat plume
much threads
When you are streaming a game from your computer to another one over Steam, Does it output what you are doing on the monitor of both computers? xd
shadow minnow
Why does my PSU make this sound and is loud even after some time too
wheat plume
Coil whine holy shit
misty saffron
how did you even come to the conclusion it's the cpu lol
shadow minnow
That definitely isn't a CPU.
Oh I mean PSU lol
Why do I always write cpu instead of PSU
reef patrol
shadow minnow
But still that’s a terrible coil whine
Or fan or no matter what it is
It’s terribly loud
wheat plume
My PC has some whine when certain apps are open
like Firefox or Minecraft if I dont limit the FPS in settings
shadow minnow
Usually you get a paper stating what has been detected, fixed and who was in cha...
There is no notes or anything paper with it just said that it was repaired
reef patrol
Well fuck.
wheat plume
:/
halcyon moss
When you are streaming a game from your computer to another one over Steam, Does...
yes both screens
wheat plume
What if you dont have the monitor switched on for the streaming computer? :P
and only on the one you stream to
halcyon moss
itll probably still work
i have more experience with the nvidia one, and it basically forces your desktop to a full hd resolution and streams whatever is on the scree
wheat plume
That reminds me of the pain when older games force your screen resolution way down when you first launch them .-.
halcyon moss
heh, thats been a while since ive experienced that.
pale sigil
@wheat plume help my friend @chrome minnow out please xo
He needs java help
Which I'm pretty sure you did some right
chrome minnow
i need to replace a deprecated function from the google billing api
but i have no clue how listeners or events work
wheat plume
ah, method overwrite
If you can get the same name and input parameters as the original, it should work as is
chrome minnow
already attempted a fix but i cant even debug this fckin thing because its literally one java file that interacts with ue4 c++ code over JNI
`private int GatherOwnedPurchaseData(ArrayList<Purchase> inPurchases)
{
int responseCode = UndefinedFailureResponse;
try
{
//Purchase.PurchasesResult purchasesResult = mBillingClient.queryPurchases(BillingClient.SkuType.INAPP); //THIS IS DEPRECATED
//responseCode = purchasesResult.getResponseCode(); //THIS IS DEPRECATED
//attempt at fixing
mBillingClient.queryPurchasesAsync(BillingClient.SkuType.INAPP, new PurchasesResponseListener() {
@Override
public void onQueryPurchasesResponse(@NonNull BillingResult billingResult, @NonNull List<Purchase> list)
{
responseCode = billingResult.getResponseCode();
}
});
//end attempt at fixing
Log.debug("[GooglePlayStoreHelper] - GooglePlayStoreHelper::GatherOwnedPurchaseData - getPurchases result. Response Code: " + TranslateServerResponseCode(responseCode));
if (responseCode == BillingClient.BillingResponseCode.OK)
{
List<Purchase> ownedItems = purchasesResult.getPurchasesList();
for (Purchase purchase : ownedItems)
{
// Don't Mark pending purchases as owned
if(purchase.getPurchaseState() == Purchase.PurchaseState.PURCHASED)
{
inPurchases.add(purchase);
}
}
}
}
catch (Exception e)
{
Log.debug("[GooglePlayStoreHelper] - GooglePlayStoreHelper::GatherOwnedPurchaseData - Failed for purchase request!. " + e.getMessage());
}
return responseCode;
}`
thats your code or the depracated one?
chrome minnow
the two lines where i wrote "THIS IS DEPRECATED" are the deprecated part
the new function runs with a listener event...
im just afraid that the listener event runs on a separate thread and the rest of the function gets executed quicker than the async function
wheat plume
oh, that im unsure about how it works, ive just attached methods to buttons and mouse hovers before
pale sigil
private int GatherOwnedPurchaseData(ArrayList<Purchase> inPurchases)
{
int responseCode = UndefinedFailureResponse;
try
{
//Purchase.PurchasesResult purchasesResult = mBillingClient.queryPurchases(BillingClient.SkuType.INAPP); //THIS IS DEPRECATED
//responseCode = purchasesResult.getResponseCode(); //THIS IS DEPRECATED
//attempt at fixing
mBillingClient.queryPurchasesAsync(BillingClient.SkuType.INAPP, new PurchasesResponseListener() {
@Override
public void onQueryPurchasesResponse(@NonNull BillingResult billingResult, @NonNull List<Purchase> list)
{
responseCode = billingResult.getResponseCode();
}
});
//end attempt at fixing
Log.debug("[GooglePlayStoreHelper] - GooglePlayStoreHelper::GatherOwnedPurchaseData - getPurchases result. Response Code: " + TranslateServerResponseCode(responseCode));
if (responseCode == BillingClient.BillingResponseCode.OK)
{
List<Purchase> ownedItems = purchasesResult.getPurchasesList();
for (Purchase purchase : ownedItems)
{
// Don't Mark pending purchases as owned
if(purchase.getPurchaseState() == Purchase.PurchaseState.PURCHASED)
{
inPurchases.add(purchase);
}
}
}
}
catch (Exception e)
{
Log.debug("[GooglePlayStoreHelper] - GooglePlayStoreHelper::GatherOwnedPurchaseData - Failed for purchase request!. " + e.getMessage());
}
return responseCode;
}
Sorry
I just had to fix that discord formating
It was hurting my soul
chrome minnow
how do you do that i pasted mine with `
pale sigil
chrome minnow
```java
private int GatherOwnedPurchaseData(ArrayList<Purchase> inPurchases)
...
dont see any syntax highlighting here
pale sigil
I'm on mobile
wheat plume
Im unsure what to do though for the code
young pecan
Oh I do love mobile not allowing me easy code blocks.
ashen spindle
if the issue is that it could run into race conditions just put something in that will wait until the code is executed
idk if java has await as a keyword like c# but I would assume the google documentation might have an example if they are deprecating the previous way to do it
chrome minnow
idk if java has await as a keyword like c# but I would assume the google documen...
the integration is using a helper java file made by epic games and they dont seem to care about mobile anymore
i want the function to attempt getting a result from onQueryPurchasesResponse and if it doesnt get anything continue the rest of the code with int responseCode = UndefinedFailureResponse;
chrome minnow
idk if java has await as a keyword like c# but I would assume the google documen...
and i tried to copy the code from here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67607661/android-billing4-0-0-querypurchasesinapp-and-purchase-getsku
how can i make the function wait for 5 seconds and stop the wait when onQueryPurchasesResponse returns something valid?
ashen spindle
if you manually thread it just have the thread sleep until a result is there, but as I said, I don't know the java syntax, in c# you would use "await" which would wait until your async operation finishes so I would imagine java has something similar
chrome minnow
wish i could test and debug without having to recompile the engine, recompiling the project, packaging the project, uploading to the google play console and downloading the game completely again
and even then i dont get logging
ashen spindle
I mean worst case just make a new empty java project and only test the wait to handle an async callback, it'll be the same way so you can test without having to do all that
ashen spindle
amd? nvidia? voodoo?
you uh, do realize that numbers comes from the market that include iGPUs
and if it mainly came from mining it would mean compared to intel, nvidias share would rise and not sink
pale sigil
We not gonna also acknowledge covid being a thing
Having a much greater demand
Since people worked from home?..
pale sigil
Lol
pale sigil
Everything is still remote in the UK
true quest
they are going back to work, just from home
shadow minnow
Unfortunately in my country nearly everything got opened again no matter the not best numbers and expected 3rd way
pale sigil
You still can't travel to work unless it's a certain job
ashen spindle
germany only just scratched above the 20% vaccinated rate, its gonna take a lot longer lol
shadow minnow
But also the mobo smh. Just why. Makes me wonder if they evened opened the box
shadow minnow
Bexin won't get a shot for a while
Literally got second vaccine like a week ago
ashen spindle
idk if I'll even get the first one before Q4
pale sigil
Oh
shadow minnow
And mentioned it same as getting the first one
pale sigil
Weird
shadow minnow
In the channel, don’t remember?
crisp granite
we got single digit percentage of people who got initial and boosters here
pale sigil
I do not
crisp granite
something like 60-65% have initial doses here iirc
pale sigil
Ah well I got my second the other day
crisp granite
nice
pale sigil
Bexin you're our youngling we bully yes
ashen spindle
anyway, point is, no things are far from being open
and demand is still not mostly driven by mining
crisp granite
considering the rate of vaccination here, I'm sure I'll get my booster before september
pale sigil
Yay an anti colorblind chart
crisp granite
because some people are really fucking stupid and choose to endanger others
because "muh rights"
pale sigil
Nvm it points to them
reef patrol
crisp granite
you, the individual, have the right to not infringe on my rights to safety
pale sigil
Ur mom
crisp granite
it's "public" health for a reason
shadow minnow
But also getting vaccine sooner than mobo replacement, Will I even get it this month 😦 (not counting getting the same mobo not fixed )
crisp granite
hell
there are antivaxxers and antimaskers here
the good news is that they're few in numbers
but still enough to fuck things up, sadly
ashen spindle
if you got a board back and they had it working, are you sure it's not fixed and the issue is not on your end?
shadow minnow
But also getting vaccine sooner than mobo replacement, Will I even get it this m...
Should have just bought an M1 mac
shadow minnow
if you got a board back and they had it working, are you sure it's not fixed and...
No idea if they had it working, did not get any note of them testing it or anything written next to it
reef patrol
if you got a board back and they had it working, are you sure it's not fixed and...
Counterargument : They didn't bother telling 'em what was supposedly "fixed" 😄
shadow minnow
They just said it’s “repaired”
No idea if they opened the box
Also nothing looks to be soldered or changed so idk how they fix it. If they did not find it faulty why would not they just sent it back as working too
Also even tried different PSU
Only mobo can be faulty now
ashen spindle
I mean, did you try a different cpu/ram?
crisp granite
I had to sign none of that, that's something my province gets to deal with
but seriously
if there were issues
they would have popped up by now
reef patrol
I mean, did you try a different cpu/ram?
We tried a shitton of things iirc.
ashen spindle
I mean with the board he got back
shadow minnow
I mean, did you try a different cpu/ram?
Tried alone both sticks of ram. Also it has stuff like qflash +, and postcode which afaik should say if cpu utilization fails but postcode does not say anything even with no cpu
shadow minnow
I mean with the board he got back
It is exactly the same one
I am 100% sure
And also tested it without cpu and few other things again
ashen spindle
ok, there are plenty of fixes that can be done without physically changing it 😛
but if you not had ram that works on something else and a cpu that works on something else, you can't say it has to be the board
young pecan
Still using a gigabyte board?
shadow minnow
I can’t just buy another cpu to test it
shadow minnow
But also, should not the postcode show the cpu utilization error?
pale sigil
If you have amazon 
young pecan
@shadow minnow Is it a gigabyte board?
shadow minnow
<@!590931863951114260> Is it a gigabyte board?
Yes z590 master
young pecan
Yeah, there’s the problem.
Gigabyte firmware is hot garbage and their boards are notorious for dying out of nowhere.
young pecan
I mean...
ashen spindle
I mean you cant say you trust the postcode and call the board broken in the same sentence
young pecan
RMA that bitch.
shadow minnow
I heard one other person also had z590 master faulty even killing ssd
crisp granite
nah, the US is third world as a whole
young pecan
We don’t buy gigabyte things ever.
That’s the rule.
Gigabyte is last resort all the time.
shadow minnow
I mean you cant say you trust the postcode and call the board broken in the same...
I am saying that if the mobo worked postcode should show at least something
crisp granite
so
ashen spindle
all I'm saying is you can't 100% exclude other options and say its the motherboard, if you dont have a second cpu to see its not the cpu
young pecan
Idk man, America can cosplay a dystopia pretty damn hard sometimes.
ashen spindle
I remember I had a 8600k that died on me after like 3 days of using it
young pecan
It literally does rain spiders here. I shit you not.
crisp granite
young pecan
Not common, but it’s known to happen rarely.
crisp granite
and I thought tomato rain was bad
true quest
as common as a texas snow storm
shadow minnow
I mean nonetheless there is something with mobo since postcode is not showing anything which it should