Might need to just swap my CPU for a stack enabled CPU when that happens.
#🔌│tech
young pecan
zenith sonnet
Hrm
At least the AMD gig showed cool stuff
The Nvidia gig just sounds like they're trying to convince shareholders of something
Like, their cards going to min gamers ;^)
shadow minnow
Wait does 3080 ti seriously cost 1200$ ;-;
crimson wigeon
Ah yes show me that pixel blender
zenith sonnet
zenith sonnet
FSR works on a wider range of Nvidia cards than DLSS
reef tundra
I like the part where he calmly says it also works on competitors products
Better than 0
crimson wigeon
Ah good open source "eventually"
astral haven
thing is fsr is still classical 2d techniques
not neural nets
so it doesnt have any extra insight to make a better image
what
none of those are postprocess techniques?
oh
t-aa
i dunno if fsr is temporal
ah
nah
multisampling is required for most shading at the moment so you cant not be doing it
thats not a postprocess technique
its more like massively improved fxaa
astral haven
unfortunately its not able to do anything since it has no insight
anything that fsr can do can be done with reshade
which if it improves image quality is good?
but its not actually improving image quality
its simply changing the image to be more aesthetically pleasing
and theres a huge difference between the two
reef tundra
FidelityFX Super Resolution is a spatial upscaling technique, which generates a “super resolution” image from every input frame. In other words, it does not rely on history buffers or motion vectors. Neither does it require any per-game training.
astral haven
basically what its saying is "we limited the amount of data the technique has access to so that it isnt able to provide any insight"
basically the point of a nn based technique is that it has access to significantly more data than a normal antialiasing technique does
artificially limiting the amount of data you have to upscale the image doesnt improve the upscaling it makes it worse
the point is that any technique that isnt generating information is inherently not generating information
if its not generating information, what use is it
zenith sonnet
It's significantly faster than DLSS, and supported on a much larger install base
IQ differences won't matter under those circumstances
astral haven
It's significantly faster than DLSS, and supported on a much larger install base...
ok but if its really that widespread throw it in the drivers like mfaa or fxaa
dlss only works on limited hardware because it is doing a ton of work lol
on worse hardware it would take too much time to do that work to provide any benefit
its really disappointing how radeon actively tries to be worse than nvidia
just
make something good
you have at least 4 engineers
have 1 of them create and manage a community poll within vanguard or something for what amd should do
after a week take the suggestions and find something that hasnt been done before, or has been done before but only poorly, and work on it
the rest of the 3 can work on fixing gcn so they have at least one functional driver before they get axed
reef tundra
What does a potato know about tech?
reef tundra
Last time the potato was in the news was for causing a big famine
zenith sonnet
LOL
Nvidia went from a 700$ MSRP 1080 Ti in 2017 to a 1200$ 3080 Ti in 2021
A whooping ~1.15x increase in price/perf!
astral haven
better increase than the other way around :/
i mean
you get slapped with a tariff you aint gonna round that down lol
they are required to disclose those pieces of information
astral haven
and they did update it lol
reef tundra
Why not just add an asterisk and be done with it
astral haven
gah
reef tundra
No Purchase Necessary / Alternative Means of Entry
No Purchase Necessary is the first statement within official rules to protect the participants, by law in the United States. Asking participants to take actions that require time, money, or effort constitute as consideration, and doing so can often constitute a sweepstakes as an illegal lottery, putting the brand or sponsors at risk. Consideration can be tricky, as it’s best to consult the proper legal services to ensure compliance.
Hmmm, marketing might have run this with legal first
I wonder if their disclaimer that they reserve the right to substitute the price would be in violation of the law
astral haven
cant prove the soul exists 🤷♂️
and no theres nothing against changing the value of a sweepstakes
specially if you arent even changing the value of the sweepstakes lol
just "correcting a labeling error"
reef tundra
There is a requirement to make the price clear and as advertised
astral haven
not for sweepstakes
and not for products that arent purchaseable
the 3080ti cant be bought yet so they have no requirement to be accurate about the price
ashen spindle
@old marlin now it's public why the IHS for zen4 makes sense 😛
old marlin
why?
ashen spindle
vertical stacking
ashen spindle
should be fine
old marlin
can't wait to get malder lake extreme while amd does vertical stacking
halcyon moss
when would they add heatpipes into the cpu 🤔
ashen spindle
I mean, depending on how lose you define that, they already do
old marlin
heatpipes are not necessary for the size
ashen spindle
copper is a important material in the chips and acts well as heat transfer material
old marlin
they might put in some copper rods to get heat to the top
ashen spindle
also this is basically using what HBM does so it's not totally new thing nobody testet before
old marlin
how many watts did HBM use though
ashen spindle
"uses 1/3 of the power per signal compared to using microbumps" so even better than HBM apparently
dry tendon
Until a PCMR game has it, both DLSS and FSR are useless.
Basically no GOAT game has either tech.
That is not true. Cache is important but the core itself is just as important. In some games where Zen 3 is king, it is not due to cache but the branch predictor
reef tundra
Probably never without using extreme cooling
dry tendon
Yeah
I cant wait to see the next Battlefield game just so DICE can continue dissapointing me. The last good BF was 2142
Did it have modding?
I dont remember since it launched during their console days
If you ask me no games play well on consoles
I honestly dont know. The only recent Console game I ever played was TLOU 1 on the PS3 in 2013
and I was dissapointed
I know playing BF1 annoys me
and BF4 seems like a spam meme fiesta
So FSR - it will be useless for me just like DLSS. But I hope it is decent just so it stops the onslaught of black box tech that is bad for gaming long term. But I will never use it.
But Doom Eternal with Vulkan-RT? Fuck yes please
Doom Eternal is a game that deserves mod support. Too bad modern id Software is an Incel compared to Chad old id Software
It is not
If it was it would have an SDK
Yes
Its so close to being PCMR
But it aint.
... What? Literally the best Open World FPS game ever made is a mod.
NLC 7 for STALKER makes the original titles, Fallout, RDR, GTA, CB2077 look like jokes in comparison
Its only problem is that it is in Russian but quality of writing, gameplay, and simulation is flat out higher
Doom Eternal actually has SOME mods
but they are limited in scale
check out
Yes they are. STALKER is not though
halcyon moss
Twitter
dry tendon
Arma 3 is better but IDK how NLC 7 compares to ARMA 3
Since it is made by a veteran from the Georgian war
It is too. Very. But it is just a looter shooter and nothing more
Nope. BUt a moment
@prisma crag
https://gnd-tech.com/2017/06/remembering-our-heritage-popular-games-that-began-as-mods/
Makers of Overgrowth
yes
I will check out Receiver but the reason I crown NLC 7 so high isnt just due to ballistics. it has good writing too, and very very good AI
And great map design
Its basically top tier in every single area
halcyon moss
receiver was such a tech demo that it ran really bad after a few minutes
i was cool, but also real hard
and very tech demo'y
nice, i shuld check it out when i have the time for it (which is looking like.... not anytime soon)
dry tendon
I really need to rank order the highest end games vs the highest end mods
ashen spindle
ehh, tripwire seems to be on a downwards trend, wouldn't put much hope into them
wheat plume
o.o
cursive summit
I see STALKER being compared to ARMA 3 for the first time for some reason
The games have nothing in common
Like STALKER is moddable as hell, and so is ARMA 3
You can make either of them be whatever you want them to be
It runs fine too 
misty saffron
Feel free to ask questions <:lul:576475280303063096>
are you retarded?
cursive summit
Yeah
cursive summit
Next question
wheat plume
the game I have most hours on besides Minecraft
misty saffron
rookie numbers
wheat plume
cursive summit
158 apparently
wheat plume
how tf they so large?!
wheat plume
true
reef tundra
It racking up quite nicely. probably played the game double those hours but with the pirates life
cursive summit
Somehow on Steam these are the only games above 100 hours
Excluding console games, Minecraft, cracked games, etc
dry tendon
This is NLC 7
reef tundra
He, found it.
cursive summit
What rank are you in CS pinch
reef tundra
Dunno, silver 3 or something with main
cursive summit
Truly an oof moment
reef tundra
my alt for avoiding cool down played with master guardians. Didnt get a rank on that one as cooldown was expired and didnt win 10 matches yet. Stopped at 9
Matchmaking sucks balls in csgo
reef tundra
First rank I ever got was gold nova 3 or something. Someone I played with got vac banned and I lost that ranking. Matchmaking refused to place against silver 4 lmao. After me tryharding somewhat and finishing most games with 50 kills and 2 hacking reports i got silver 3 or something. Even though I was clutching the team, constantly. After that I just went road to silver 1. lets go
I had matches I was top fragging with only the zeus
Remember one match where I threw a smoke, waited in the smoke. tased someone. every round, and it worked.
Didnt even change sites or nothing. exact strat
cursive summit
Back when I first played the game which is where the bulk of those 500 hours come from, my rank was MGE
I stopped for years, they revamped the rankings
Came back, got Gold II
Reked noobs
Left
Came back years later, got Silver IV
Rekked noobs, got called a hacker
Got bored, left
So yeah haven't been playing it since
Been more focused on R6S
reef tundra
Thats more translucent, but ok
Transparent rock is better
Did you know salt is also transparent
wheat plume
this is peak mouse usage
No need to argue with this top tier Apple™️ engineering
reef tundra
Dont be so poor to be recharging the mouse then. Get a new one
ashen spindle
so this is a slide from TSMC from last year when they first tape out a demo chip wiht 0.9 µ pitch(took it from the anandtech article)
the chip lisa showed with 3d stacked cahce was 9 µ pitch
meanwhile intel already taped out lakiefield with foveros in 2020
but that was 50µ pitch and the test chip with 10µ didnt even get to the tape out TSMC had with a retail chip LOL
and all intel had this computex was basically confirming they had to delay the next Xeons to next year instead of launching this year lmao
crimson wigeon
Nice
ashen spindle
well, technically at least aurora should be this year
bc if they delay that again it would be really bad
so I guess every test wafer that has a non broken PVC chip will end up there lmao
wheat plume
oh no xd I think he forgot to turn off notifications for the video
reef tundra
What video. Who is paying you to shill that stuff? paypal? the US dollar?
reef tundra
Is spelled K/DA or something
ashen spindle
wrong headline, they only said samsung will bring more infos, not that it has to launch this year zzz
crimson wigeon
but le clicks
ashen spindle
Twitter
crimson wigeon
Great and here 5950x is now available and I'm seriously thinking about it Pepega
crimson wigeon
Maybe I will then I will have to play the direct buy game for GPU pepelaugh
ashen spindle
sure might get nice performance boots etc. but I'd not want the first ddr5 platform from either company if im honest
so might as well wait for the one after at least
crimson wigeon
Yeah
wheat plume
o.o
6 feet is more or less the standard length of a power cord
Gosh.... I wish that was true
reef patrol
reef tundra
Get proper cables dum dums
crimson wigeon
Ecksdeee
wheat plume
Pacman has parallel downloads now :DD
i just copied over this line and uncommented it
ah right
The maintainer of my distro uses Meld a lot
It seems very very useful :D I should use it too tbh
ashen spindle
and you didn't already expect then when looking at who posted the video? 😛
reef tundra
Barbarians, where is vim?
wheat plume
my version of grub is newer than whats in the repos?! dafuq?
reef tundra
sudo pacman -R grub
ashen spindle
gotta go small if you cant get desktop grade hardware sourced and put those in 😛
wheat plume
sudo pacman -R grub
RIP dualboot
wheat plume
ahh
reef tundra
There is a flag to do that auto magically
ashen spindle
turbo to 165W for 5 seconds? or does that come with a complimentary fridge to put the laptop in?
wheat plume
Ive switched to paru rather than yay
reef tundra
No peru is in South America
reef tundra
Vim is the way
reef patrol
How dare you those are amazing.
young pecan
Why does it have an SD slot?
crisp granite
for SD card things
young pecan
Phones, I would assume, but is the market for it so big?
Maybe cameras?
How many people are buying this and also need routine access to an SD reader?
chrome estuary
Actually... Quite a few probably
chrome estuary
It would make a decent mobile powerhouse at a reasonable enough price
cursive summit
SD card readers are a godsend
Especially for a Nintendo console owner
I hate having to buy dongles for everything so if there is one integrated, that is just great
reef patrol
Or us digital camera owners.
An Alienware is commonly used as a work laptop for creatives. So it makes sense to have them.
cursive summit
Plus SD cards are just a great piece of data storage
reef patrol
Docks are becoming more standardized...but USB-C and TB docks are all over the places. Long, Thin, Chunky, 2 ports, 12 ports. And a bit of a pain to keep plugging in on the go.
crisp granite
I hate having to buy dongles for everything so if there is one integrated, that ...
imagine not contributing to apple's dongle business
cursive summit
Thanks no thanks but fuck apple
halcyon moss
too many dock choices though.. which ones are good?
ashen spindle
unreal engine isn't really hated nor liked by any uArch of either vendor
wheat plume
My friend had a lot of problems with Unreal Engine on his AMD card
that was 2 year ago though
ashen spindle
thats a him problem not an amd problem
shadow minnow
Just curious, how much do you all thing does panel with backlight itself of Apple xdr display cost?
hard thicket
2 years ago amd's driver state was something else
Radeon VII 2 years past release date and people were not able to use a second monitor plugged in
ignoring all the other stability issues with applications entirely giving up
reef tundra
Just curious, how much do you all thing does panel with backlight itself of Appl...
You mean how much the displays cost for apple to manufacture?
shadow minnow
You mean how much the displays cost for apple to manufacture?
They don’t really manufacture it themselves afaik. At least think so since they don’t most of display. So how much does it cost Apple to “buy” them from manufacturers I guess
hard thicket
not much as usual with such things, but when you calculate in R&D and so on so on
things stack up
does the new miniled on the ipad also come from samsung ?
or did they get it from LG too ?
reef tundra
100 to 200 in absolute manufacturing costs I would say
hard thicket
since samung is the only one currently with miniled panels out there in the market
wut
wdym wont last long
shadow minnow
Don’t think that’s the case tbh, they would most likely have to downgrade brightness
hard thicket
yikes
reef tundra
Most of their costs will be marketing, keeping an iron grip on the supply and logistics
hard thicket
as usual with apple
oled is good but far from the future
miniled seems more promising right now
shadow minnow
100 to 200 in absolute manufacturing costs I would say
From what I have heard it’s, well, far from accurate.
I think that it has been said that iPhone displays cost Apple around 60-100$ but xdr display is apparently… expensive
hard thicket
the xdr is pretty unique spec wise
reef tundra
Color grading can be done automaticallty nowadays
shadow minnow
And apparently it’s pretty good value considering it’s Apple and manufacturing costs
reef tundra
Calibrating anything aint cheap
shadow minnow
But it also afaik is not that expensive, well, not compared to full price of that monitor, lot more “expensive” for cheaper monitors.
hard thicket
don't think that they even produce the xdr in masses either
reef tundra
If you got enough volume you can justify making a simple automatic calibrator jig machine thing
hard thicket
Compared to their other stuff
shadow minnow
Yeah but it calibrated in factory is usually under 150 or 100$
reef tundra
Apple would probably demand an monopoly from the manufacturer
hard thicket
Apple would probably demand an monopoly from the manufacturer
they almost did it with TSMC lol
reef tundra
Not the only victim it would be
hard thicket
afaik they took a big margin of the total manufacturing load
shadow minnow
Still the Apple xdr display’s panel is surprisingly extremely expensive
hard thicket
it's cheap compared to the pro alternatives
downside is it's not well compatible with PC's
shadow minnow
Also calibration in higher quantities is not that expensive, depends on how well calibrated the thing is, but each iPhone is from what I have seen in some testings very accurately calibrated.
And typical calibration for white point and dci p3 even is on some monitors under 1000$ that are more gaming focused
reef tundra
You just need to have a accurate measuring device calibrate that every so often and automate the shit
shadow minnow
Also calibrating devices can sometimes cost like 150$
Calibration really is not that expensive for higher quantities, I mean, even Apple TV with phone can calibrate.
zenith sonnet
Radeon VII 2 years past release date and people were not able to use a second mo...
I never really had any issues with mine, not sure what they were doing. I'm using three monitors just fine
hard thicket
I never really had any issues with mine, not sure what they were doing. I'm usin...
that was the case with plenty of people, some were lucky according to one reddit post i can't find right now
zenith sonnet
that was the case with plenty of people, some were lucky according to one reddit...
Then again, the worst issue I had was intermittend black screens with some driver versions with XMP enabled
Which was fixed by hand tuning memory, suggesting that it brought out underlying stability issues with XMP
hard thicket
but it wasn't something rare
reef tundra
You can calibrate one machine with orders of magnitude more accuracy than needed and you can use that calibrated machine to calibrate all your units. But it the calibration is more expensive and you have to have the motors, and bits and bobs to get it all started
advantage is that you can calibrate a lot of devices, and quickly
shadow minnow
But also 4K at 27” is great. But Ips blacks are sadly still ips.
reef tundra
Mobile phone screens are insane with their ppi
hard thicket
it's draining battery and is useless
the only thing apple actually did right over the years
with iphones
reef tundra
You can rip them out and give them a new home
hard thicket
dremel helps
shadow minnow
how much ppi is that..
I think 164. I could notice individual pixels on 1440p 27” but 4K is great. Also YouTube has surprisingly very noticeably better video quality on 4K compared to 1080p
zenith sonnet
I want 4K, but at 30-32"
reef tundra
You do notice image clarity beyond the theoretical limit of the eye
reef tundra
burning on the retina
shadow minnow
Also the Pog color consistency
reef tundra
use the magnifier
shadow minnow
From my experience windows at 4K is pain no matter the display size
reef tundra
Magnifier doesnt care, it just scales anything up to how much you want
Usually java based programs misbehave the most on 4k displays form my experience
If that makes their ego happy and sufficiently compensated then good for them. Unless they use it on public games
shadow minnow
I don’t think there are non public pubg mobile servers. Well, there are “kinda” but you can’t play them all the time, at least could not last time I saw the game. Nearly everything is public so cheats…
crimson wigeon
Imagine cheating in a crappy mobile game of all things, sad
shadow minnow
Eve spectrum 4K is great
hard thicket
When there are reviews
shadow minnow
We will see
I can write one
Have short version of review
My prototype arrived yesterday 👀
hard thicket
wait
shadow minnow
So if there are any questions
hard thicket
Eve actually ships monitors now ?
zenith sonnet
Do you have the tools necessary to measure latency, overdrive curves, etc?
Otherwise, a review is useless
shadow minnow
Eve actually ships monitors now ?
Not to customers yet
shadow minnow
what a ripoff
Nope, should be arriving in June
shadow minnow
it's been 4 years
Not eve V, eve spectrum lmao
shadow minnow
Do you have the tools necessary to measure latency, overdrive curves, etc?
Other...
Not really, well, may be able to measure it to some extend, but I can say blue busters, quite reliable site, also working on spectrum and the results from their testing look quite good.
But I can say that it works and bit more details
ashen spindle
well, the rtx 3070 arrived at friends place and works, but he definitely needs a cpu upgrade now lmao
still running a 1600x
but since I forwarded it to him for msrp he can actually still afford a new cpu
thick elk
For me in gpu land I just stick with what I have, I don't end up gaming a lot anyway. So once things normalise I can upgrade then or wait for the next generation.
gtx 1080 while not great is still workable. Jumping on deals is also kind of impractical with the arrangement I have with work.
ashen spindle
now the real question is, what reason will userbenchmark come up with to show that 3d stacking L3 is cheating/not usefull
thick elk
Just lower the importance of games that benefit from more cache, problem solved.
dry tendon
Userbenchmark is a once great site ruined by brutal incompetence, paranoia, and bias.
If you were close to me I'd had given you a 2070 or something
That cpu is imho the bigger issue
astral haven
Userbenchmark is a once great site ruined by brutal incompetence, paranoia, and ...
Still great if you ignore the overall rating and just look at the individual scores
dry tendon
Still great if you ignore the overall rating and just look at the individual sco...
I agree but some individual scores are weird too. 11th gen vs zen 3, 6000 series va ampere and Turing
But otherwise yeah
astral haven
11th gen is pretty good at esports
ashen spindle
only at some
astral haven
And 6000 series acts odd sometimes performance wise
dry tendon
From what I understand it still loses in most. In esports
The only.one it equals with zen 3 is starcraft 2
dry tendon
6000 series for me acts as expected most of the time. Only old games are odd but still fast on it. For example a 6900 XT is only 2080 ti level in stalker and itw.mods. ampere does better there. Brutally fast in Wolf ET legafy
This is not true. ZEN 3 is if anything less sensitive to ram than previous generations due to the wide l3
astral haven
Wasn't the experience of any of my overclocker friends
dry tendon
That is counter to logic tbh
Also ite official clock speed support for ram is 3200 mhz
Which isn't low
astral haven
And the l3 bandwidth gets affected by memory clock btw
Yea but the problem is not the people who k ow what they are doing
dry tendon
L3 bandwidth depends on the core clock not the ram
astral haven
🤷 aida64 l3 goes down with ram clock
dry tendon
Aida64 is weird then 🤔
dry tendon
Getting GPU latency and bandwidth tests is a nighmare
Unsure how.much harder it is for a cpu
But for a GPU it is extremely hard
To get accurate results
astral haven
Nah it's easy asf
It's just hard to do it within an application you don't control
Measuring the hardware is super easy
astral haven
The only problems are defeating prefetchers and caches
dry tendon
And even then it's not fully.correct
Rdna2 l1 bandwidth is higher still
Same for ampere
astral haven
That's probably low thread count or something
dry tendon
Nah it's fighting driver oddities with vulkan
astral haven
But bandwidth on a system where you don't have any full bandwidth link to code is tough to measure anyways
Latency is alot easier
dry tendon
As for CPUs I just don't see a reason how dram will affect the l2 or l3
I can see for clocks
astral haven
🤷 that's the reality
It's alot less severe than it was on broadwell but it's still there
dry tendon
It makes literally no engineering sense
And in games Zen 2 and Zen 3 are less ram dependant than Zen 1 or Zen plus were
Which is what you'd expect more or less 🤔
astral haven
🤷 that's definetly not true
dry tendon
Well it was so on my 3600 and 2600
astral haven
And probably were running on better than 800ns refi sticks
Here's the thing
Actually no-one uses xmp
ashen spindle
astral haven
It's like 5% of xtu users had xmp enabled on ram that has xmp available
And that's xtu users
People who know enough to actually download an run it
I'd be happy to bet that less than 10% of intel users download xtu
astral haven
Which makes you 5% of a 10% category
dry tendon
Or higher speeds
astral haven
You ain't a "average computer from random on the internet"
Run userbench and your processor will be well over 70th %ile
astral haven
Oh you are at full stock?
God I'm so disappointed tho
Milan tr was my only shot at being able to upgrade without spending $800 on ddr5
ashen spindle
milan tr? do you mean chagall?
dry tendon
I am full stock
ashen spindle
what is chagall missing that it disappointed you?
ashen spindle
ahh oke
astral haven
my computer is running out of io bandwidth with my total of 20gb/s of true bandwidth and 24GB/s of ssds in addition to my gpu
oh god
dry tendon
Jesus
astral haven
i just realized the rumors call for chagall significantly earlier than the earliest planned stacked l3 cpus
dangit
so i wouldnt even get beeg l3 even if i waited for the end of d4
ashen spindle
ehh, depends, I dont think the zen3+ thing they release with 3D already uses ddr5
I think they will wait till zen4 with that
unless desktop chip would not work out for your needs?
astral haven
nothing desktop from amd or intel this gen has enough io
electrically
ignoring actual bandwidth
the cpus and chipsets have alot more bandwidth but it just isnt available
its so scuffed that the ws x570 ace has 1 x4 m.2 and 1 x1 m.2
like ffs
astral haven
my computer is running out of io bandwidth with my total of 20gb/s of true bandw...
oh and i forgot to count one of my nvme ssds here
ashen spindle
why are you showing her that when you know what gpu she has 
cursive summit
Twitter
reef tundra
Im suspecting Nvidia is beginning to feel the heat
astral haven
Lol
ashen spindle
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/nvidia-dlss-coming-to-proton-plus-geforce-...
dlss only works on an RTX card
crisp granite
honestly, the RTX 3070ti seems kinda interesting
reef tundra
How odd is that, you need rt cores to do rt
cursive summit
honestly, the RTX 3070ti seems kinda interesting
Is it exactly Ti faster than the 3070?
crisp granite
I wonder just how much the extra cuda cores and faster VRAM matter
crisp granite
if it can make cyberpunk playable at 1080p sans DLSS
it's good
jk
no such thing as a 20% performance uplift going from xx70 to xx70Ti
crisp granite
I'm talking with maxed RT
cursive summit
Fuck RT
crisp granite
I get about 30-50 FPS
dry tendon
Refreshed Zen 3 parts with more cache may be enough to keep AMD's lead in most games.
But... does it matter?
cursive summit
If we look into the 5700 VS 5700XT, then 260 more cores gives about +10% perf uplift
reef tundra
When you can also just play dwarffortress and just stress the fuck out of one core
cursive summit
So I guess at very most 3070Ti has 15% higher FPS
reef tundra
Higher fps dont mean much when you get a ton of sturrering
ashen spindle
why would you compare nvidia core performance to what a amd work unit does and not compare it within the same uArch
dry tendon
5700 XT has higher clocks too
cursive summit
why would you compare nvidia core performance to what a amd work unit does and n...
Fun not allowed
reef tundra
dry tendon
At same clocks its more like 6-7%
ashen spindle
im all for fun, just want fun that makes sense xD
dry tendon
Which isnt much tbh but it is not zero either
reef tundra
im all for fun, just want fun that makes sense xD
The fun police is watching
cursive summit
im all for fun, just want fun that makes sense xD
I can see why you don't really say anything funny
crisp granite
meh, I'll just wait for next gen, maybe I'll get a playable RT experience without sacrificing visual quality then
oh, and maybe stock and the luxury of choice
reef tundra
Nvidia likes to choose their cards in poker if you catch my drift.
reef tundra
Because if you dont im flying out the corner and may the rollcage work
crisp granite
Nvidia likes to choose their cards in poker if you catch my drift.
intel furnace makers and AeeyMD do the same
I don't see the problem
cursive summit
Honestly lads, the market is leaping forwards in terms of performance big time, we are getting some good shit
But the problem is, price is going up as well
crisp granite
Honestly lads, the market is leaping forwards in terms of performance big time, ...
to match games becoming a shitload more demanding
reef tundra
Next problem we will have is too much performance but no games to demand it all\
cursive summit
Like something about the 80Ti being 999/1099 when 1080Ti was 699 is weird
ashen spindle
Don’t forget power consumption also going up with next gen gpus 
reef tundra
I have the solution heatstroke by gaming speedrun %nvidia
crisp granite
Like something about the 80Ti being 999/1099 when 1080Ti was 699 is weird <:lul...
it used to be $1200 USD last gen
dry tendon
I hope this goes up ASAP too
crisp granite
seems like an improvement
ashen spindle
it used to be $1200 USD last gen
2080ti was 999$ but never was cheaper than 1200 anywhere, 3080ti is 1200msrp with real price tbd
crisp granite
2080ti was 999$ but never was cheaper than 1200 anywhere, 3080ti is 1200msrp wit...
real price - 3x MSRP+
so
$3600 for a gpu
aight
reef tundra
5000 and you have a fair deal if you add a bubblegum
dry tendon
As long as Rasterization ALSO goes up I am fine with it
dry tendon
But the thing is, some optimizations for RT can happen with a very minor die size penalty
we shall see
reef tundra
Budget gamers are going to be happy when the miners sell their cards off
crisp granite
Budget gamers are going to be happy when the miners sell their cards off
probably not gonna happen
ashen spindle
RTG is also not as close to the reticle limit as Nvidia is so they do have more room for rt extras, so it really shouldn’t affect rasterisation
crisp granite
hell, even with the hash rate limiters, they're still good
better than NVidia's "mining" cards
astral haven
Being near the reticle limit on a non flagship node vs further from the reticle limit on a flagship node is q biiiiig difference
reef tundra
hell, even with the hash rate limiters, they're still good
Why are you involving hungarian cousine into this
astral haven
8nm is only good because it's ultra cheap
crisp granite
hm
at this point
I might be able to sell my 3070 without the hash rate limiter
and buy a 3090 fresh from a store, for less than the 3070 would sell for
what has this world become
I know
don't sell the GPU you use
common sense, no?
reef tundra
Hope the feds dont see this and send an angry smiley for dealing hash
reef tundra
8mm is shit
astral haven
Yea there's a spectrum
ashen spindle
Remember FE cards(except the 70ti/80ti) and all 3090 models are not getting the hash limiter
dry tendon
its a massive step up from 12nm TSMC and it is inferior to 7nm TSMC
crisp granite
Remember FE cards(except the 70ti/80ti) and all 3090 models are not getting the ...
then I'll get an 80Ti card
astral haven
There's people like pincus who are very wrong but it's not n7
crisp granite
most of the performance
reef tundra
Im not wrong 8mm is shit
ashen spindle
Currently it’s also a blessing because it means not everything is stuck on tsmc‘s fabs and limit supply even more
astral haven
8nm is one of the best nodes in existence
ashen spindle
He’s not talking about 8nm 😛
crisp granite
why can't someone fab a GPU on 14nm as a joke
astral haven
-_-
reef tundra
astral haven
As a joke?
cursive summit
why can't someone fab a GPU on 14nm as a joke
Isn't Pascal on 14nm?
dry tendon
Pascal is on both 16nm and 14nm
cursive summit
Initially, chips were only produced in TSMC's 16 nm process, but later chips were made with Samsung's newer 14 nm process (GP107, GP108). In August 2016, Samsung and Nvidia entered an agreement to shrink the die design of the entire Pascal architecture series to 14 nm.
So Pascal is both 14 and 16
ashen spindle
Yeah got a founders 3070 last week
dry tendon
How can I get a founders GPU in Europe?
ashen spindle
luck
cursive summit
How can I get a founders GPU in Europe?
Ask the founders
ashen spindle
and fast fingers in the 5 seconds they are available
reef tundra
Why ask the Gods when you can do a little bribery
crisp granite
which sucks as best buy is actually the worst to deal with
reef tundra
More like bad at allowing you to buy INC
I am. I will hog them all up and sell them for 1 million
ashen spindle
nobody whos selling FE is scalping
crisp granite
the rest are all $250 above at least
ashen spindle
because thats a price nvidia directly controls
ashen spindle
well yeah
astral haven
Check ebay and you can find as many scalpers ad you want lmao
reef tundra
Add scalpel to scalpers
ashen spindle
ok, *every retailer that gets FE stock
reef tundra
They have connections
reef tundra
Carefully
crisp granite
the more rusty the head, the better
dry tendon
I swar AMD made XTXH both for world records and also just so they can scalp more lol
ashen spindle
saphire nitro + 6800xt is 770$MSRP so anything else is them/MC goign above it
reef tundra
perform a neurohystery carefully and without anaesthesia
ashen spindle
yeah the 6900xtxh cards are just stupid prices lmao
crisp granite
estimated restock date of RTX 3080s
december of next year at the earliest
according to canada computer's site
welp
there is always next gen
reef tundra
So all we know that it might happen
ashen spindle
yeah that next gen that is in stock in 4 years
chrome estuary
until they get scalped
reef tundra
Scalpers please file in an orderly line to receive your product
crisp granite
not even kidding
I remember launch day
my local canada computers
line that went a kilometre up the road
reef tundra
You have a local canada? my canada is very far
chrome estuary
i remember when you could get the new cards like half a year later
astral haven
its crazy tho that the 3090 outsold all of amds lineup combined
reef tundra
They went all missing the following day. Local serial murderer claims they just went on a holiday
crisp granite
the fact that my GPU rn can sell for more than 3 times what I paid for it is scary
astral haven
the 3080 is closing in on 1% of steam users 😬
crisp granite
even USED
crisp granite
the 3080 is closing in on 1% of steam users 😬
that's not a bad thing
it means decent market adoption
astral haven
6800 is under .1% 6800xt and 6900xt are just over .1%
chrome estuary
i just want a fucking 3070
astral haven
the 3090 is at .3%
reef tundra
I just want fucking
astral haven
its craaazy
chrome estuary
this is why the purge should be allowed. storm the scalpers
dry tendon
nah pls I like being a POS
What I find interesting though is that RX 5700 and 5700 XT can be sold for more than a 6700 XT is new
so that there is a free or even negative cost upgrade
astral haven
im rather dumb lol
i sold my friend a card for less than msrp is now
crisp granite
I'm still pissed that I paid $1.2k on what should have been a $540 card
a new 3060Ti
astral haven
both of those are yikes lol
dry tendon
3060 Ti is the best 3000 series card
chrome estuary
I keep having to back out of buying the 3070
dry tendon
at MSRP*
reef tundra
Orderly line, scalpers. Any sudden moves can be reason to be shot. If you survive the excusion you will be shot anyway because the ammo was expensive and we are going to get our moneys worth
crisp granite
I keep having to back out of buying the 3070
because you feel uncomfortable paying 3-4 times MSRP to scalper
yeah
chrome estuary
exactly
crisp granite
I feel the same way
stuck elk
Zowie monitor or 360hz?
chrome estuary
like
stuck elk
Or wait for an other monitor?
chrome estuary
I shouldn't have to fucking pay 1400 for a god damn 3070
because some shit heel online thinks that should be the price
or a bunch of shitheels
pale sigil
And people laughed at me for my 3080 
crisp granite
ffs cal
reef tundra
The gamers should seize the means to GPUs
dry tendon
Zowie monitor or 360hz?
4K OLED HDR TV
chrome estuary
^
dry tendon
Skullfucks any monitor
stuck elk
4K OLED HDR TV
For gaming?
dry tendon
Yes
stuck elk
How
reef tundra
With style
crisp granite
BEEFY GPU
stuck elk
Lmao
dry tendon
A 120 hz OLED panel > a 165 Hz LCD Panel
ashen spindle
And people laughed at me for my 3080 <a:lull:821815530431971358>
I still laugh at it given I got a msrp 3070 and a almost msrp 6800 
dry tendon
in terms of responsiveness
OLED has lower response times inhrenently
and less ghosting
it also has better colours
better HDR since it can do actual black
stuck elk
in terms of responsiveness
But doesnt OLED have problem when used on desktop
reef tundra
69 > 120 oled because funny number
stuck elk
and less ghosting
Less ghosting is huge, but refresh rate?
dry tendon
so if you can afford it and have the space for it - it is superior
astral haven
OLED has lower response times inhrenently
Mprt is what people see and it's not inherently lower on oled
stuck elk
and new OLED models are vert resistant to burn in
Does that mean you will never have problems?
reef tundra
Less ghosts? Saves on the ghost busters fee
astral haven
In fact it's inherently higher
stuck elk
Mprt is what people see and it's not inherently lower on oled
By how much
dry tendon
I do not think that you will encounter Burn in within 3-4 years of use
stuck elk
I tought about OLED, but then why aren't pro using them
dry tendon
@wintry cedar Come, OLED king
astral haven
Best oled vs best lcd is 10x difference
stuck elk
Means they cost much?
dry tendon
@stuck elk 360 hz TN panels are STILL faster than a 120 hz OLED display
and also are small
astral haven
1ms on oled vs.1 on lcd
stuck elk
Best oled vs best lcd is 10x difference
In terms of colors, or what
wintry cedar
Well they're paper thin, but if you mean they're only offered in large screen sizes then yeah
reef tundra
Colours*
astral haven
Mprt is motion blur
dry tendon
If you are going ALL in on competitive gaming, I will admit that a 360 hz TN display will be better
chrome estuary
I own the samsung G5. A 1440p144 monitor. Tbh. High refresh rate isn't that special to me
dry tendon
if you are going for the absolute best overall gaming -> Get the new LG OLED TVs
its also the pinnacle for immersion
wintry cedar
Mprt is motion blur
You're talking about sample and hold I assume. Both OLED and many LCDs have blur reduction these days to counter that
astral haven
No
reef tundra
negative latency time
reef tundra
Wouldnt mind it costing 50% less
wintry cedar
Does that mean you will never have problems?
Remains to be seen
stuck elk
K. Problem is also low hz
stuck elk
if you are going for the absolute best overall gaming -> Get the new LG OLED TVs
How many hz
dry tendon
120 Hz
astral haven
I still can see frames if I'm moving reasonably fast
dry tendon
240hz Oled would likely skullfuck 360hz LCD the same way the Soviets skullfucked the Axis armies
stuck elk
Possible
reef tundra
by mass production and huge losses?
stuck elk
For ghosting especially
astral haven
The 360hz tns are worse than the g7s I terms of b2w
wintry cedar
If you're talking 240 Hz and above then you're talking about monitors which all have trash picture quality compared to 2015 4k TVs, but it's all about priorities
astral haven
Lol
dry tendon
by mass production and huge losses?
Losses during the end of the war were normal. Early war, the Axis usually had frontline numerical superiority.
Mass production is an engineering advantage. Its not the US or USSR's problem Germany thought it could go toe to toe with Superpowers lmao
reef tundra
Close your eyes and use the force
wintry cedar
they're about speed rather than picture quality
reef tundra
Losses during the end of the war were normal. Early war, the Axis usually had fr...
They had more soldiers than guns
dry tendon
They had more soldiers than guns
A myth
astral haven
If you're talking 240 Hz and above then you're talking about monitors which all ...
The g7s are better image quality than 2015 oleds
dry tendon
From CoD
reef tundra
No, that was actually a thing
astral haven
Ips is pretty meh
dry tendon
Maybe it was on some battles during the early war. I am sure you can find proof of that.
astral haven
Still looks bad
reef tundra
Early battles were mostly retreating and burning all on the way
wintry cedar
The same. Backlight bleed city (edge-lit), 1000:1 static contrast, very blurry matte coating. High end 4k LCD TVs from 2015 (let alone OLED) are in a different league
Plus IPS glow = no blacks
stuck elk
dry tendon
Overall though the combined Axis (since people think only Germany fought on the Eastern Front literally forgetting hundreds of thousands of other people) forces had a great early war mostly due to literal enemy incompetence
wintry cedar
It's bizarre to me how IPS gained this reputation for positive image quality by gamers
dry tendon
Both with France and the USSR
wintry cedar
As if a gaming IPS is comparable to a professional one with hardware LUTs
dry tendon
as soon as the US entered it usually stomped down on Axis forces. Same for the USSR once they stopped the retreat while leaving entire armies to be flanked and killed off tactic
wintry cedar
I've been using my LG C9 OLED as a computer monitor for about 1 and a quarter years, no image retention at all yet let alone burn-in but that's not exactly a long time either
reef tundra
Swarming your enemy will work, at high costs
reef tundra
like 20 million people
dry tendon
Swarming your enemy will work, at high costs
Ehh the cost is not high. Germany didnt pay a high cost with a 3:1 numerical superiority early war
cursive summit
I have an LG OLED
I have an LG OLED
dry tendon
Human wave tactics are not like in video games
misty saffron
I've been using my LG C9 OLED as a computer monitor for about 1 and a quarter ye...
i’m sorry you did what
dry tendon
they are planned offenses
misty saffron
I have an LG OLED
I have an LG OLED
cursive summit
I have an LG OLED
Need any assistance?
misty saffron
Need any assistance?
Need any assistance?
cursive summit
Need any assistance?
I have an LG OLED
misty saffron
I have an LG OLED
Need any assistance?
cursive summit
Anyhow I tried using my CX as a display for my PC, it did not work well
misty saffron
i need assistance
stuck elk
Why aren't there better monitors yet
stuck elk
Where is the 1000hz OLED 25" monitor
wintry cedar
Anyhow I tried using my CX as a display for my PC, it did not work well
Why not?
reef tundra
Soviet tactics were very hard to find especially initial days. Great purge and having to catch up to the rest of the world since the Tsar
misty saffron
enemy spotted
cursive summit
Like I tried playing Divinity II Original Sin
And it was unplayable
Text was few pixels big
misty saffron
Scaling is really bad
FINALLY
dry tendon
Lets say I have 100 000 men. You have 50 000 men. On the battlefield, I deploy 10 000 men and you deploy 30 000 men. While I have more soldiers overall, on the actual frontline, you have a numerical superiority. So you will crush through my defenses with low casualties while I will take casualties. Now, this is my own fault of course, not your fault. But this is more or less why the otherwise inferior Axis army did well in the early war. They did not have superior engineering. They did not have superior soldiers. But they had a good concentration of forces and good breakthrough tactics. The great purge is not the sole reason for this issue for the USSR... but it did play a role you are 100% correct @reef tundra
wintry cedar
Why aren't there better monitors yet
OLED monitors are on the way but they'll be stupidly expensive. Monitors seem to be sticking to edge-lit cheap IPS/TN panels and sub-3000:1 contrast VA panels
wintry cedar
As for scaling, if you're complaining about DPI that can be adjusted and it's game dependent. Or if you're just sitting too close then that's also not good
cursive summit
Lets say I have 100 000 men. You have 50 000 men. On the battlefield, I deploy 1...
Now head to #🐸│memes with this shit you infidels
cursive summit
As for scaling, if you're complaining about DPI that can be adjusted and it's ga...
I sat at like 2m
misty saffron
As for scaling, if you're complaining about DPI that can be adjusted and it's ga...
yes you can adjust dpi
cursive summit
55" model
misty saffron
nobody said it’s any good
dry tendon
@cursive summit Your Avatar is Sidorovich lol
cursive summit
Yes
reef tundra
Dont forget they had Japanese at the other side eyeing for some more land
wintry cedar
nobody said it’s any good
I don't think you know what you're talking about
cursive summit
Hollow and Pinch are shitposters
misty saffron
i’ve had a 4k monitor for 2 years, please don’t tell me i don’t know what i’m talking about
crisp granite
how the fuck does one adjust DPI
stuck elk
OLED monitors are on the way but they'll be stupidly expensive. Monitors seem to...
I would be good with no ghosting or overshoot, high refresh rate and good colors
But there is no such thing right now
misty saffron
how the fuck does one adjust DPI
the scaling percentage slider in windows
cursive summit
how the fuck does one adjust DPI
dry tendon
Dont forget they had Japanese at the other side eyeing for some more land
Yeah but Japan was not ever gonna do anything there realistically.
@wintry cedar The newer OLED TVs have even better supposed anti-Ghosting tech in them
misty saffron
or not slider
dry tendon
So this should be less of aan issue
stuck elk
I would be good with no ghosting or overshoot, high refresh rate and good colors
Maybe OLED will manage to be all this, i hope so
cursive summit
that makes perfect sense
It doesn't until you make it do
misty saffron
the poor implementation of scaling is why 4k screens can go fuck themselves for the time being
cursive summit
the poor implementation of scaling is why 4k screens can go fuck themselves for ...
Yep
stuck elk
Yeah but Japan was not ever gonna do anything there realistically.
<@!47281078...
I hope that ia the case, also high refresh rate and its perfect
cursive summit
4K displays are just not great
reef tundra
Interresting visual
cursive summit
InterResting
dry tendon
I think we need DisplayPort 2 for higher Refresh Rates at 4K
stuck elk
So in short, better wait for new monitors even if that will take years
wintry cedar
I have no issue with 150% DPI scaling in Windows, also most modern games have UI scaling and are fine at any resolution (there can be issues with older games though)
I could never go back from 4k
cursive summit
I think we need DisplayPort 2 for higher Refresh Rates at 4K
That is coming though
Isn't it
dry tendon
Yeah
misty saffron
dry tendon
I think next year we will see it
misty saffron
4k is great boys
cursive summit
Nice spyware
stuck elk
The industry is really lazy
cursive summit
I just want a good 16:10 monitor
Nobody makes those which is beyond me why
Cause they are really comfy to use
cursive summit
Ye
misty saffron
yeah
cursive summit
Expensive af
reef tundra
They make some nice makeshift oscilloscopes though
cursive summit
I just really want one of those 1440p Gigabyte ultrawides
chrome estuary
i kinda still want one of the 1440p super ultrawides
wintry cedar
The glow and bleed on ultrawides is hilarious
reef tundra
I want a bar of soap
cursive summit
So you could drop it?
misty saffron
to drop?
not exactly seeing why you'd get anything not 16:9 for a desktop
that'd be asking for trouble
chrome estuary
but nice
crimson wigeon
Yeah 8:5 FeelsAmazingMan
reef tundra
6:9
chrome estuary
ngl i still want the 1920x1920 1:1 monitor
halcyon moss
i miss 16:10 :/
crimson wigeon
Heck yeah
chrome estuary
as like a secondary/tertiary monitor
crimson wigeon
Would love to see how games handle that square ratio
... well I can already do that with custom resolutions heh
chrome estuary
too bad it's like 1300 or whatever
reef tundra
By returning: "this aint it chief, go find a normal monitah bruv" and wiping your harddrive
yay, more natural 360 fov
reef tundra
Sure you can go fishing if i can keep my 360 fov
Now thinking about it, how nauseating would that be
crimson wigeon
Yeah just look at how distorted that is
astral haven
How about we just have vr integration and better headsets
reef tundra
How about we dissolve facebook?
shadow minnow
Jesus christ did they really do max fps?
There is something worse
crimson wigeon
It's what the masses understand
dry tendon
Is it 1440p?
shadow minnow
Look at the power limits
dry tendon
or 4K?
astral haven
Oh jesus christ 150w vs 115
shadow minnow
^
astral haven
Lmao
reef tundra
one frame would have ended up to that framerate
dry tendon
Lol
astral haven
Good job lol
Also gotta remember nvidia power is total board (including imc and vram) and amd is core only
crimson wigeon
Ah yes put the laptop on your lap and get immediate burns
shadow minnow
Also the fact how much difference power consumption makes on laptop GPUs…
dry tendon
AMD has two power modes. One is Core only, one is total board
reef tundra
Dont apply your skin to be the cooler lmao. Use some cooling fan
dry tendon
for example a 6800 XT or 6900 XT are 256 core only and 300 total board
astral haven
Amd software doesn't report tbp
misty saffron
ماذا تعرف عن التدحرج في العميق
dry tendon
Amd software doesn't report tbp
I know but the site gives it more or less exactly
astral haven
Why is @misty saffron trying to crash discord?
dry tendon
the "Rage" mode BS is really just 20W more for a total of 320W (same as 3080)
astral haven
Software readings is off by alot since it misses vram and imc
thick elk
Even if it's not fair in terms of power level amd does require the 6800m to be allowed at least 145w where nvidia has no such requirement.
So in a sense it's fair game to compare the two flagships at their lowest power rating.
astral haven
Well no
dry tendon
I cannot decide here since I do not know enough about mobile GPUs
astral haven
Because the 6800m will be available at lower powers
dry tendon
I know that there is drama about power really nerfing GPUs there
shadow minnow
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/O4ZA3i9kyUYXMWdu0PKlCjMHqyQ76-fqzA2...
LCD
astral haven
It's severe @dry tendon
dry tendon
LMAO
thick elk
Really I thought they stated 145w+ in terms of power rating?
shadow minnow
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/O4ZA3i9kyUYXMWdu0PKlCjMHqyQ76-fqzA2...
But also that’s really bad what monitor is that?
astral haven
Yea tdp is a high number but it's up to laptop vendors to provide that
dry tendon
But also that’s really bad what monitor is that?
ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q suppsoedly / ultrawide version
reef tundra
ماذا تعرف عن التدحرج في العميق
Mashallah
dry tendon
IMHO its most fair to do price vs price? But then again, IDK the price of these laptops so ;d
wintry cedar
the entire RDNA 2 lineup
crimson wigeon
Krappa
wintry cedar
R9 290/290X
shadow minnow
ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q suppsoedly / ultrawide version
Seeing how bad that looks made me realize that small light bleed of this prototype at 000 only visible during night most likely is not that bad
wintry cedar
and more
dry tendon
Technically Hawaii, VLIW4, VLIW5, GCN1 had some variants that are mor efficient, GCN 3 had 1 super efficient GPU too. RDNA2 as well