🔌│tech

[young pecan]

That is why you keep your shit in your hardware wallet, yes. :P

[reef tundra]

But how are you going to cash out before the value trashes when some other coin is the new hype

[young pecan]

...

You simply transfer with the hardware wallet...?

Ledger Nano S/X and Trezor Model T both have that as an option. Maybe you wait a few minutes.

Shit, even paper wallets take as long as scanning a QR code.

[reef tundra]

The butcher aint giving much shit about the value of scamcoin they want the real money

[crisp granite]

can't I just have a file on a drive with the keys?

hardware wallet on the cheap?

[young pecan]

Sure, but that can be broken into easily.

Hardware wallets also have integration with 2FA as well as being a physical device you pair with something like a phone that requires either 2 or 3 factors.

A lot harder to break into. Also helps that you can carry it with you whereas a hard drive can’t be used in a cafe. :P

@reef tundra And uhh... don’t have what you can’t afford to lose in a volatile currency?

Stablecoins are a thing. Tether USD, for example.

[crisp granite]

convert to local currency asap

ezpz

[young pecan]

That would be why I mentioned stablecoins.

They are bound to a stable currency. TetherUSD is always worth exactly one US dollar.

[crimson wigeon]

And is totally legit backed

[reef tundra]

So, money that is money but with more buzzwords

[young pecan]

All crypto is money with more buzzwords, not just stablecoins.

Officially recognised? No. Tradable for goods and services? Hell yes.

Dude a few days ago sold his house for Dogecoin. Idk how much more legit it goes tbh. :P

[crisp granite]

tradable for officially recognized and used currencies?

you bet

or, buying a house for dogecoin, sure

[young pecan]

No, I mean directly trading crypto for goods and services.

Not just cashing for fiat.

[crisp granite]

could be quite pog in the future tbh

for now,

[young pecan]

I mean... kinda today.

[crisp granite]

gentlemen

lets print some money

[ashen spindle]

tehter is questionable, other stable coins are more legit, but if either of them crash much more than just crypto has issues

[young pecan]

^

[reef tundra]

stablecoins seem completely useless. No regulation, no insurance if it fails(like banks have to), more strain on the powernet, no government backing means fraud is going to be rampant.

[young pecan]

That is true.

Third party insurance.

[proper crystal]

You underestimate the power cost of centralised monetary digital systems.

[young pecan]

Crypto physically cannot have intrinsic insurance as it’s decentralised, who would give it?

Third party though. That works fine.

[reef tundra]

and what if they refuse to pay out?

[crisp granite]

well then

[young pecan]

Then you go after the throat because they’re a registered company?

[crisp granite]

walk to their central location

[young pecan]

Lmao

[crisp granite]

with an axe

scalp a few people

then they'll pay up

for legal reasons, that is a joke

[young pecan]

Lmao

Watch Doge hit $5 and that dude being super rich.

[crisp granite]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dogecoin-mining-gpu-shibe-gif-20328067

Doge hitting $5, 2021, Colourized

[young pecan]

I give it a few months and the potential is certainly there.

Bruh. That guy has fucking stonks now.

Omg.

[cursive summit]

He has max 2 months of potential to sell that shit and POTENTIALLY make a profit

BTC will crash first most likely

[crisp granite]

tbh tho, I barely use my PC, and when I do use my PC, it's for fairly lightweight stuff

[reef tundra]

The money has to come from someone..

[crisp granite]

might as well start mining

[young pecan]

Oh please. We’ll have another crash like we always will.

Hang around for the bounce and it’ll be basically fine. Happened before, will continue to happen.

[cursive summit]

China is big on crypto or so I heard

[young pecan]

Yeh.

[ashen spindle]

Yeah big on their own

[young pecan]

HEAPS of ASICs in China.

[ashen spindle]

To perfectly track all transactions

[young pecan]

A massive majority.

Iirc something like 70% of every ASIC is hosted somewhere in China.

Long ago numbers, may be wrong.

But if it went anywhere that it looked I’d expect that number to be at 80% now.

[crisp granite]

uh

Aeon

etherium is skyrocketing

[young pecan]

I know.

Happy with my investments atm.

Very happy with my mining lately.

[pale sigil]

I neede to mine and invest

[young pecan]

Stonks.

[pale sigil]

Losing money

[young pecan]

BRUH.

I fucking told everyone to do it weeks ago.

[crisp granite]

I went from $490 USD profit a month to $540 in a fucking hour

[pale sigil]

I wish i could buy some

But can't

[cursive summit]

Mine's stagnant

[pale sigil]

Need my ID

[crisp granite]

I'm gonna start mining

[cursive summit]

Oh I see why

[cursive summit]

My hashrate died

[young pecan]

$124 USD/day.

:)

[pale sigil]

@young pecan you suggest hiveon?

[cursive summit]

Your weekly earnings fell

[pale sigil]

Ugh

[young pecan]

I use it because I have actual mining rigs.

[pale sigil]

You're a farmer

[cursive summit]

Didn't you used to earn like 1.3k

[young pecan]

Lucky block.

Luck went down slightly.

And fuck yes I’m a farmer.

Bruh, why the hell wouldn’t I?

[cursive summit]

My luck's shit

[crisp granite]

your trade?

[young pecan]

No idea. 2 months? Maybe more?

[pale sigil]

What are you guys using

[crisp granite]

because I got this awful thing called a plot of land with my name on it

[pale sigil]

Software wise

[crisp granite]

in the middle of fucking nowhere

[young pecan]

PoS has been going around and around for years. Maybe this time it goes in.

@pale sigil I use T-Rex miner on Hiveon Pool.

[cursive summit]

Ethash with Teamredminer

[young pecan]

If I adopt AMD I’m either doing split mining or Phoenix.

[pale sigil]

Ethash

I was already using thst

And my earnings were shit

[young pecan]

Were you using the right miner/algorithm/settings/batch?

[cursive summit]

Ethash is like, one of the best algos

[pale sigil]

Idk

But even their calc said I would earb fuck all

How much do you guys pay for electric

[cursive summit]

0.14 or so kWh

[pale sigil]

Lmao

[young pecan]

0.22 USD/KWh.

[pale sigil]

So much cheaper

[young pecan]

And what’s yours?

[pale sigil]

Like 0.40usd kwh + 0.80 usd one off payment a say

[crisp granite]

dude

[young pecan]

Bruh.

[crisp granite]

I would pay about that much a day

ish

[young pecan]

Let me go do a thing for 2 minutes.

[ashen spindle]

.3€/kWh here

[crisp granite]

...

30 cents

wut

[ashen spindle]

germany is one of the most expensive places for electricity

still profitable to mine sadly

[pale sigil]

Ye electric costs a lot here

[young pecan]

Etherium profit with 1 RTX 3070 at 0.6USD/KWh.

Bullshit you can’t profit.

[reef tundra]

North of germany often has overproduction

[pale sigil]

Work out my profit

[young pecan]

What card?

And how much did you pay for it? In USD if you will.

[pale sigil]

3080

Forget ahout how much I paid for it

[crisp granite]

833£

[pale sigil]

Don't factor it in

[crisp granite]

still laughing about it

[young pecan]

Estimate will do.

[crisp granite]

[pale sigil]

Since I bought it regardless

[young pecan]

Rough number.

[reef tundra]

currency doesnt matter if its all constantly used and equally devisible

[young pecan]

Makes the math faster.

[pale sigil]

£833 like he said

[young pecan]

Pog.

[pale sigil]

Idk why you're laughing

It's not even that bad

[young pecan]

That makes the joke.

[crisp granite]

quite a lot compared to what it was supposed to be

[pale sigil]

Ita not like its a reference

[crisp granite]

and even then, still way below what you could have paid

[pale sigil]

It was supposed to be like £100 less

Ye that sucks

But life's a bitch

[young pecan]

So assuming power price of $1 USD/KWh and a card cost of $1,300 USD you have an ROI of 4.5 months at an earning rate of $12 USD daily.

You will earn more because I did worst case scenario.

That is after power consumption, btw.

@prisma crag About that in the bad spots, yeah.

Usually we cap at 33 cents.

[cursive summit]

You lads have some expensive electricity

Man Aeon, send me your farm

We can profit off of my cheap electricity

[young pecan]

@pale sigil So basically you make stonks.

Even at worst case scenario.

[pale sigil]

How much

[young pecan]

@cursive summit Getting a purely off grid solar setup soon. Zero electricity cost.

@pale sigil Check above.

I posted already.

[pale sigil]

$12 daily

Wot

[young pecan]

Bruh.

[reef tundra]

Solar has a roi of 6 years or somethin

[young pecan]

MINING IS PROFITABLE.

Idk how many times this needs to be hashed.

[pale sigil]

The calc I used said differently

W.e

I'll try it out

[ashen spindle]

a 3080 currently makes about 20usd a day without electricity cost

[young pecan]

Somewhere around 100MH in your case. :P

And mine with what?

Lmfao no.

ASICs are asking to get shot in the legs.

Maybe if I had $500,000 ready to go whenever.

I can hope for off grid. :P

What’s more likely is only needing grid at night.

I’d need something around 20 to 50KW for my full scale farm if I’m not retarded.

[reef tundra]

Hydro batteries

[young pecan]

That’s doable with solar. Also hydro batteries, yes.

...?

Why?

Ah yeah.

I getchu.

Nah, not really.

My most powerful CPU can’t actually run on that little power.

The board freaks out if I try.

X570 does not appreciate low power stuff.

[reef tundra]

My most powerful computer is 3680watts. It does one thing. trip the breaker due to a dead short.

[young pecan]

Lmao

My 12 card 3070 rig should use somewhere around 1500 watts.

Maybe a wee bit more.

Think that’s crazy?

Remember that Acer laptop that had 2 desktop 1080Tis in SLI?

Does not qualify as laptop.

By technically it was a laptop.

Really a desktop replacement tho.

[crisp granite]

no shit dude

otherwise no one would do it

[young pecan]

Ik.

[young pecan]

@pale sigil Post mining stat pics.

[misty saffron]

my payments are 3 times as big on average compared to 10 days ago

[young pecan]

Oh? What’re yours?

[misty saffron]

considering it's a single 2080

[ashen spindle]

Pro Developer tip: 30 concurrent threads are a bad idea if you forget they all have an empty while(true) and you only have 6 cores

[crimson wigeon]

Nah just tell users they need more CPU power

[ashen spindle]

given the 30 threads was because I reduced the number of objects to test it easier

in reality it could end up with like 300

[young pecan]

Just buy Epyc CPU.

[cursive summit]

@young pecan

Uhh am I supposed to be concerned?

[young pecan]

Yeh.

Did you change your overclock?

[cursive summit]

Nah nothing

[young pecan]

Any settings?

[cursive summit]

I did literally nothing

[young pecan]

Miner stuff?

[young pecan]

Mmmm.

Try changing the region you’re mining from.

If nothing else, reboot system.

[cursive summit]

It's fine now

[young pecan]

Weird.

Invalid shares should be as low as possible.

[cursive summit]

Maybe the ISP decided to cut off internet or something

I did notice sometimes my internet becomes unreliably slow

Then it comes back again for days

[ashen spindle]

KGB taking action, your hashrate is now comarade's hashrate

[cursive summit]

Oh and

I figured out the hashrate problem

Wasn't me

ETHash just had a weird outage

Except for U.S cause capitalism

Hah

[vagrant pagoda]

idk why this is so funny, but it is. $50 worth of fans on a $30 cooler

[reef patrol]

Paywalled news. Delish.

[ashen spindle]

? dont see a paywall

[reef patrol]

You never see it till it's too late.

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah my adblock blocks that lol

[reef patrol]

Mine doesn't. 😦

[pale sigil]

did anyone use nicehash

[shadow minnow]

Once accidentally blocked such a thing by canceling loading of the page while it was loading and only had text, sometimes works

[crisp granite]

a buddy is using it with a 1080ti

making $11 USD a day, before power costs and all that

[pale sigil]

holy shit

it really did boom

what mode should i use

[ashen spindle]

read what it says to do depending on what/how you set it up

[ashen spindle]

these things have mile long descriptions for a reason

[crisp granite]

27 MH is hella slow for a 3080

[pale sigil]

ik

what do

[timid chasm]

that fluctuates all day though doesn't it?

[pale sigil]

ye im at 50 rn

there we go

hit 80

vrm tho

[timid chasm]

do you just change the efficiency nonstop? Set a low tdp and let it do its thing

[pale sigil]

where do i see efficiency lol

put it on medium

[timid chasm]

I meant profile, w/e

Lite, med, high

[pale sigil]

it was on high

is cpu mining bad

[timid chasm]

for this? yes

They have rough comparisons on their website for gpu, cpu, asic

[reef patrol]

Welp - I finally have ReBAR enabled. And it only cost me almost bricking my card cause HP don't checksum their shit.

[ashen spindle]

oof, yea I wouldnt touch rebar on nvidia till its in a better spot

[reef patrol]

This is what HP's "firmware update" unpacks, and then launches the BAT file. Which uses a FORCED flash in nvflash.

That's all good - Except it had corrupted the .bat file and didn't checksum error it out. It just ran the fucker.

[ashen spindle]

urgh

[reef patrol]

So basically nvflash ran, blanked the screen and didn't do the update.

Now had it been the .rom file they had fucked up... yeah. Bricked card.

I lucked out.

[pale sigil]

undervolted bur vrm temp still 90+

[ashen spindle]

yea no shit, its being used xD

[pale sigil]

isn't that really really bad tho

[ashen spindle]

idk depends on your card, where the temp is read from etc.

[reef patrol]

3080 VRM temps aren't an issue (unless you stack em, or have a really bad case airflow and mining)

3090s basically need active cooling on the back.

Even when watercooled.

[pale sigil]

you sure?

[ashen spindle]

for gaming sure, no clue how mining loads are affecting shit

[reef patrol]

That's what I've been told by EKWB engineers.

[pale sigil]

:/

[reef patrol]

The RAM on the back gets super hot without a fan.

[pale sigil]

ii dont wanna kill my gpus life span

[ashen spindle]

that's why you read up what the stuff does and what is fine/not fine

[pale sigil]

hmm

should i be using nicehash

since it pays out in btc

[ashen spindle]

do w/e you want, mostly depends on how you want to deal with it

[pale sigil]

@young pecanwhere do you have your wallet

[ashen spindle]

oh and keep your tax regulations in mind

idk how britania has its laws set for that

[pale sigil]

dont get taxed till £12,570

[ashen spindle]

oh hey, Us might go back to talks with Xiaomi

lets hope they get something good and dont just go back on the ban for nothing

[crisp granite]

right

[crimson wigeon]

Alright will do

[crisp granite]

americans are hoarding gasoline now

[timid chasm]

I think it's best to let people keep doing that. Weed out some of the idiots

[ashen spindle]

no I feel like this is just a physical manifestation of "florida man"

[crimson wigeon]

Wait why hoard gasoline what's going on

[crisp granite]

the proper way to weed them out is to firebomb people's trunks

if they're idiots, immediate explosion

[reef patrol]

[timid chasm]

people freaking out

[crisp granite]

if they aren't, explosion in a bit

[reef patrol]

Ransomware in pipeline.

[ashen spindle]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/11/business/gas-shortage-demand-pipeline-hack/index.html

[reef patrol]

National emergency to tell citizens to stop using so much gas while they solve it.

[crisp granite]

and people

go out

and BUY MORE GAS

ffs

[crimson wigeon]

lol

[ashen spindle]

its the same as the start of covid

where people hoard toiletpaper for years

[reef patrol]

Except TP isn't explosive 😄

[timid chasm]

yup

[reef patrol]

Well... not NECESSARILY

[ashen spindle]

and you would think they would learn given it just happend

[reef patrol]

[timid chasm]

highly flammable though

[ashen spindle]

but they dont realise they didnt need to do it

[crisp granite]

mansenov

[proper crystal]

It can be made explosive 😉

[crisp granite]

you see

that is the fun in this

every car trunk of a karen is a bomb, just waiting to be set off

🔥

[ashen spindle]

yeah doesn't help litearlly every picture has a karen or karen's husband in it

[crisp granite]

iirc, you can use it to stretch the amount of fuel for making molotovs, like ethanol in gasoline (I haven't tested that, yet)

[ashen spindle]

same type of people in all pictures that do this lmao

calls the manager to lift it in the car for her

[crisp granite]

back breaking task

I wonder why she couldn't have just...left the container in the car and fueled it there

[pale sigil]

OMFG

https://twitter.com/UpBeatSkeletor/status/1392253034814754825

UpBeat Skeletor (@UpBeatSkeletor)

Ya’ll got anymore of those bags of gas? https://t.co/TLUJd8nni8

Retweets

1110

Likes

3509

Twitter · May 11, 2021, 10:59 PM

[crisp granite]

the pump can reach far enough

[timid chasm]

well duh, you're not supposed to fill container while they're still in your car

😛

[crisp granite]

tbh, I would have yelled at her either way

not an approved gas storage container

[pale sigil]

also

[ashen spindle]

it could lead to a temporary ban of using it to fill anything thats not the car, which sucks for people who actually need it for something else

[pale sigil]

i find it weird how countries call it gas

[crisp granite]

nO MAtE, It'S PeTrOL

[ashen spindle]

yeah, should do it like germany

KRAFTSTOFF

[pale sigil]

exactly

[timid chasm]

fuel

[crisp granite]

my vote goes to "KRAFTSTOFF"

that sounds kick-ass

makes petrol seem like some wimpy thing your grandmother sips with her friends in the park

[ashen spindle]

which really just sounds like a thing grandma uses at the tea part to sound fancy

[crisp granite]

I should have said that after making my teeth crooked and drowning myself in tea

there's always next time

[ashen spindle]

crooked and yellow*

[crisp granite]

ah yes

yellow teeth

[ashen spindle]

but to stay on the channel topic

https://twitter.com/dylan522p/status/1392599161850191880

dylan522p (@dylan522p)

#Intel new branding in general is horrible.

Si PHOTONiCS
eTHeRNeT
TOFiNO
OPTANe
XeON
ATOm
AGILeX (uppercase i)
eASIC (the only normal one)
STRATiX
MOViDIUS (both upper and lowercase i)
KiLLER https://t.co/AZn7VpemZF

Twitter · May 12, 2021, 9:54 PM

[crisp granite]

I'd use a yellow crayon, for full effect

to give it some...texture

[crisp granite]

quin

memes in #🐸│memes

[ashen spindle]

they used to be memes, now they are no longer dreams

[crimson wigeon]

Nice

[cursive summit]

GPU died

[ashen spindle]

[cursive summit]

Well didn't die but afterburner kinda fucked it

That's what happens when you OC for the first time

I just don't normally fuck with these things

[ashen spindle]

idk I have yet have that to happen with any OC

[cursive summit]

Okay what the fuck

I restarted

Now clock is dead too

[ashen spindle]

[cursive summit]

Okay I'm actually interested

Fuck happened?

All I did was install Afterburner

And checkmark this

For further memory OC

Died 1m later

[ashen spindle]

well it is navi 10

so be ready for random shenanigans with not explanation

[cursive summit]

I'm guessing the card just can't possibly run that low

And the sensors are fucking themselves

Okay, 3rd restart, uninstalled Afterburner

Card still fucked

Why did I have to bother with this

[ashen spindle]

dw, worst case you now have a reason to get a new card

[cursive summit]

During mining boom

While being poor peasant student

It's still not working properly

Fuck did Afterburner do to this

It's TRYING to work

But falling back down to lowest speeds instantly

[timid chasm]

cause Afterburner did it 😂

If I shatter my car window with a hammer I don't say "the fuck did that hammer do to my window?"

[cursive summit]

You are telling me the fact my card offed itself right after Afterburner got installed is a coincidence

I mean it works

But according to stats barely

[timid chasm]

and after you checked the box to push it past official limits

[proper crystal]

Did you restart the miner or the computer?

[cursive summit]

PC obviously

Like 4 times now

[proper crystal]

Then try reinstalling driver.

Could be it's borked in registry.

[timid chasm]

I've also never seen that checkbox in Afterburner. I must have an old ass version

[ashen spindle]

could be something just for navi10

[timid chasm]

oh yeah, I see it greyed out now

[cursive summit]

Yeah both Afterburner and MorePowerTool mess with the registry

Ayy

Card works with a factory reset

So regs got fucked then

Oh no

Nope it's not back yet

[crimson wigeon]

Did you try turning it off then on again, like power off, flip the PSU switch 📴, hold power button for seconds then try again

[ashen spindle]

just solder more ram onto it

[crimson wigeon]

Tfw can't even mine due to lack of VRAM

[cursive summit]

Yeah I'll try using DDU and just get brand new drivers

Just saying, fuck you for tempting me into this shit @young pecan

[crisp granite]

and that is enough to motivate me to not mine with my main rig, but with a dedicated mining rig

thanks for being the guinea pig, vexx

[cursive summit]

WHAT

You mean literally uninstalling the fucking drivers

And installing brand new fresh ones

[ashen spindle]

are you sure that fixed it thought

[cursive summit]

??

Literally DDU'd the drivers

And got new ones

Fuck's happening

I ain't got time for this, it's 2 AM

Some people are saying it's a BIOS issue

Others are saying the card's still technically OCd or something

Even though I didn't OC it at all

Man I got exams and shit

Now this

[ashen spindle]

GPU exam next on the list

[cursive summit]

I mean

I'm thinking going the concussive maintenance route

[ashen spindle]

?

[cursive summit]

Reinstall afterburner and use that to somehow fix with that

Since that's the culprit anyways

[pale sigil]

suffocating here

[ashen spindle]

not enough big games out yet that interrest me lol

[misty saffron]

just get an 8tb hard drive

[pale sigil]

HDD

nice meme

[misty saffron]

8tb ssd

nice meme

[pale sigil]

i have a NAS

but around 150gb of my nvme/ssd are user files

restare not

[ashen spindle]

so get 8tb ssds for the nas

[misty saffron]

NAS

LUL

imagine not just getting a second pc that’s pretty much a glorified nas

[pale sigil]

the fuck are you on about

[ashen spindle]

using a second pc that doubles as NAS

[pale sigil]

Oh

fuck that

[reef tundra]

Imagine not flexing on linus media server

USB? I mean if it is more meant to be an archiving solution

[astral haven]

nah

usb is faster than sata

and both usb and sata are well over a gigabit

[young pecan]

@pale sigil Download an app like Exodus or MetaMask and you’ll be able to grab your currency wallets.

Eth has a different wallet address than, say, Bitcoin.

[young pecan]

And y'know what? Since everyone was doing it earlier.

[astral haven]

we posting drives?

cause i can post drives

[young pecan]

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

Poor max capacity drives.

[astral haven]

just ordered a 4tb wd blue ssd

they will have their relief soon

[young pecan]

Any of those full ones SSDs?

[astral haven]

a, f, g are all ssds

[young pecan]

No god, please no.

[astral haven]

a is 4tb overprovisioned to 2.4tb so its fine

as is the micron

but the inland is suffering

[young pecan]

Poor inland.

[astral haven]

tho actually its still insanely fast

[young pecan]

I can hear the screeching of the NAND from here.

[astral haven]

its also got a hundred gigs of overprovision space and its got plenty of dram

but yea

help is on the way lol

[young pecan]

Curious tho, why so many separate drives over a NAS?

[astral haven]

speed

[young pecan]

NVMe NAS...?

[astral haven]

cant afford it

[young pecan]

Expensive, yeah.

Hmm.

Could be doable with RAID5E made from speedy boi HDDs?

[astral haven]

once i get a new mobo and cpu i could use this one along with a few infiniband cards from ebay but
uh
my room is warm enough already

[young pecan]

Lmfao

[astral haven]

the problem is latency

[young pecan]

Not really a good way to solve that outside of SSDs, then.

I mean... you could do caching, but if you seriously need that much storage in stuff available at all times I doubt a caching solution would be all that good.

[astral haven]

i mean

[young pecan]

May as well just go pure SSD at that stage.

[astral haven]

gimme like 20 seconds lol

\

caching op

[young pecan]

Pog

Remember when Optane happened and everyone lost their shit.

Then 2 years later SSDs were cheap and now nobody gives a shit. xD

[astral haven]

well no

optane was already way too late for caching

and it was too low bandwidth per chip

[young pecan]

For rando gamers that wanted fast OS boot times?

Nah, it was fine there.

[astral haven]

ssd was alot better

and cheaper

[young pecan]

Not at the time.

[astral haven]

yes

[young pecan]

Decently sized SSDs at the time were a few hundred over.

Maybe for 120GB or something you were in the clear, but not for good sizes.

[astral haven]

it was about $20 cheaper to get a 250gb+ 1tb vs optane +2tb

which was the normal comparison that everyone made

1tb + optane vs 1tb+ ssd was only like $10 cheaper

optane was insanely expensive at launch

[young pecan]

Srs? How much for you?

Friend of mine got a 60 gig Optane cache for $70 when they launched and it served him well for about a year and a half until he went full SSD.

More than enough for boot drive.

[astral haven]

lol no

oh wait

60gb

yea

[young pecan]

Yeh.

[astral haven]

58gb

but that was well into solid nvme era

that was competing against the first e12s

[young pecan]

And NVMe at the time was VERY expensive for good sizes.

[astral haven]

which entirely slaughtered the pcie 3x2 optane

again everyone was getting 250gb

[young pecan]

It was far more compelling to have Optane for the boot drive and a decent M.2 for game stuff.

[astral haven]

lmao no

the pcie x2 optanes were never any good

[young pecan]

No shit.

Board has 2 M.2 slots.

[astral haven]

ah so now you want to raid them?

[young pecan]

Small optane as cache, bigger NVMe for games.

Attach the optane to the boot HDD.

[astral haven]

well no heres the problem

~1100 MB/s max read

[young pecan]

It was a decent way of getting fast boots when you're too poor to get 1TB SSDs. :P

[astral haven]

~500-800MB/s max write

dude

boot optane wasnt competing with tb ssds

it was the same price as 250gb ssds

yes nvme

but x4

[young pecan]

Was not when we purchased it.

At least in Aus.

[astral haven]

uh

[young pecan]

It might be an Aus thing, we do typically get tech late.

[astral haven]

i dont believe for a second you got a new 58gb optane for 70 aud

where back in 2018 im 100% sure you could easily get a 250gb nvme

[young pecan]

Place near here, ComputerAlliance.

[astral haven]

for around 70 aud

[young pecan]

Cheap af, it's great.

LMFAO NO.

Even today you can barely get a good NVMe drive for $70 AUD.

SATA? Sure.

Not NVMe, not unless you want 200 gig or no DRAM cache.

Shit, MX500 256G drives are still $100 AUD here if you pickup.

[astral haven]

lmao

[young pecan]

I know for a fact those things are like 40% cheaper in America.

It's wack.

[astral haven]

pcpp only goes back to 2019 but you have og version 8200p for 65 aud

[young pecan]

Drives are costly as fuck in Aus.

It's depressing. :C

[astral haven]

sn550 isnt fantastic but its solidly higher bandwidth than the optane and uh

it pretty much launched at 80 aud before sales and all that

[young pecan]

Uhh...

No.

[astral haven]

i do remember helping a dude build a pc in aus during the dram bubble and finding a solidly alright ssd was absolutely not a problem

[young pecan]

No, that drive either wasn't in shops anywhere or was solidly in the $120 price range.

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ you arent forced to buy local

there are things called "online retailers"

[young pecan]

rolls eyes And have $30 tacked on?

Ok.

$15 if you wanna go with garbage aus post.

Then your drive is either late as fuck or the box just doesn't turn up.

[astral haven]

amazon?

[young pecan]

Same price.

You don't seem to understand how much we get shafted in Aus.

[astral haven]

i do know

yet what i also know is that any non brand name ssd was cheap asf

at least back in 2018

[young pecan]

They also either were not in stores or had some truly shit tier shipping.

[astral haven]

and back then apparently adata wasnt a brand name or something cause the 8200p was cheap asf

fam

[young pecan]

Made more sense at the time to go Optane.

[astral haven]

🤦‍♂️

the only time optane made any sense was as tiered storage on top of a hdd

[young pecan]

No shit.

That was the use case.

It was designed as a drive cache, who the fuck uses Optane as it's own drive?

[astral haven]

but you either had to go amd to get it built in (and amd at the time was a shitshow)
or you had to shell out for virtual ssd

me?

[young pecan]

There are plenty of better solutions for a large amount of issues?

[astral haven]

what

[young pecan]

Drive arrays?

[astral haven]

like the only advantage of optane for consumers is inherent plp

[young pecan]

As a cache drive it serves it's purpose. :P

[astral haven]

except its worse than just getting a full speed nvme for the same price

[young pecan]

Yet again, not at the time.

[astral haven]

all of the x2 optanes were a waste of money

[young pecan]

Not in Aus.

Now? Sure.

[astral haven]

you probably just didnt know what to look for

literally noone was buying adata or patriot or toshiba back then

you could get their drives for pennies

[young pecan]

Didn't go adata because the reputation was actually atrocious at the time.

[astral haven]

actually adatas reputation was at its best in 2018 lol

[young pecan]

Didn't even know Toshiba made decent desktop drives back then. They didn't exist in shops.

SD cards and the such.

[astral haven]

and if you knew hardware, you bought the 8200p

dram e12 for bargain prices

[young pecan]

Wasn't my build, btw. I ended up going with Samsung drives later down the line.

But friendo was on a redlined budget, there was zero extra money.

[astral haven]

ssds are overpriced
bought samsung

[young pecan]

With the system in place it made the most sense to go Optane.

Hey man, I got a good sale.

[astral haven]

i dont believe you for a second

[young pecan]

Umart. :D

[astral haven]

i showed you a cheaper higher bandwidth ssd

with well over 3x the capacity

[young pecan]

Bruh, that wasn't the issue.

Drive was 1TB.

Used space was like 800 gig.

Can't buy SSDs for that little with that much space.

And for partitioning I'd have need to push it down a fair bit for safety.

[astral haven]

what

[young pecan]

So yes, Optane made the most sense by far.

[astral haven]

dude

[young pecan]

Had I wanted to replace his boot drive with SSD it'd have costed too much.

[astral haven]

58gb optane has zero space lmao

[young pecan]

Bruh, what part of cache drive do you not understand?

It's not a storage drive, it's only there to accelerate common apps.

Windows and the like.

[astral haven]

well no

the 58gb optane doesnt support rst

you have to use 3rd party software for that

and at that point its significantly better to use a significantly faster nvme

that is the same price

[young pecan]

With what extra money? Drive still would have needed to be bigger than the budget allowed for.

[astral haven]

dude

[young pecan]

At that stage we talk minimum 500GB.

[astral haven]

ffs

[young pecan]

At the time those were a few hundred.

[astral haven]

58gb is not a cache drive

it is a bone stock nvme

therefore

any caching you could have used would also have worked on a 250gb faster nvme

[young pecan]

No? That Optane simply tacked onto the HDD and it was getting fairly fast boots.

SSD speeds after a few cycles.

[astral haven]

dude

[young pecan]

Admittedly for shit all but the OS.

[astral haven]

58gb optane isnt optane memory

its 800p ssds

it used standard rst
not optane acceleration

[young pecan]

Lemme go actually find the optane SSD.

[astral haven]

exactly

[young pecan]

It's probably somewhere around here.

Gimmie like 15 mins.

[astral haven]

anything called "optane ssd" cant run optane acceleration

this utter garbage supported optane acceleration

this waste of manufacturing did not support optane acceleration

[astral haven]

all these could do was intel rapid start

which worked better on normal nvmes

notice where it doesnt say 800p anywhere?

the only alright uses of optane were the free 16gb sticks that intel was giving out near the end of the oem program

but thats because it was literally free

the only other acceptable use was the x4 ssds

because they absolutely creamed everything in random latency

[young pecan]

Aight, I can't find the module in the box of assorted components.

[astral haven]

i paid a fuckton for my optane

lmao

[young pecan]

I see 3 other drives, but not the optane. :L

[astral haven]

full list with model numbers

a: is missing because it isnt nvme or sata or sas or any real protocol

most jank drives of all time lmao

but you want endurance? these have endurance

the rating of this guy is close to the rating of the 1.5tb optane, and it cost 1/12th the price for about 1.5x the capacity

its not even close to the datacenter optanes but that shouldnt surprise anyone

the datacenter optanes are obscenely overprovisioned on top of being durable to begin with

[astral haven]

oh and "pcie ssd" is the inland

if it wasnt obvious

[shadow minnow]

I mean, just optane (without ssd) had really good latency, making swap memory disk from it could maybe be useful

[shadow minnow]

Somehow have YouTube video in PIP on my phone

[halcyon moss]

do you have youtube premium?

[fair gull]

why

[wheat plume]

Miui?

[shadow minnow]

iOS, that’s why I am really surprised. As YouTube for some reason just blocked PIP. Idk why did they do it since most people have other stuff in PIP because of it most likely and YouTube only looses ad revenue, but this time one video was working in pip. Gonna try to replicate it

[wheat plume]

just one specific video uses PiP?!

[shadow minnow]

Nope, found out the way. If I send video to myself in messenger and open it in messenger I am able to play it in PIP

[wheat plume]

🤔 hmmm

[shadow minnow]

IDK if it would work for Android too but this is pretty useful. Just have to open link in messenger (not in any browser), put it in full screen and then I can go to PIP

[wheat plume]

youtube does PiP in Android

[shadow minnow]

They just blocked it on iOS

[wheat plume]

RIP

[shadow minnow]

for no apparent reason. It always closes after 1 second and in yt app it does not even work. Literally lost revenue for them since people have something else in background instead

[wheat plume]

Strange

I dont use PIP, I just leav it open in the background to play music

[cursive summit]

HAH

Musk decided to kill BTC

[neat oriole]

Elon “Market Manipulator” Musk

[halcyon moss]

so its a good time to buy again? :p

[ashen spindle]

pretty much

[cursive summit]

Buy TSLA

Problem with $TSLA is that you never know when Musk decides to pull the plug on anything

[proper crystal]

No, he decided he wanted to buy some for cheap.

[ashen spindle]

i still believe every tweet by musk that is a screenshot is not a tweet he wants to made but something the board pushed him to do

[cursive summit]

Musk scapegoated? Hm

Eh whatever suits the board

[timid chasm]

Give me billions and I'll be your scapegoat

Fuck it I'll do it for hundreds of thousands

[reef patrol]

https://c.tenor.com/5iaXWaHna1UAAAAM/eye-roll-ugh.gif

[ashen spindle]

if you want to get rid of it because its too much of a hassle dm me

[misty saffron]

i give it a couple of days to recover

people who sell after musk’s tweets are braindead

[reef patrol]

[reef patrol]

So most people... You're technically not wrong and though.

[hard thicket]

great time to buy again lol

that's atleast 10%+ profit within the next 2 weeks

[wheat plume]

any ideas what I could use my old computer for? :D

Well, I need to make sure it works again by installing a new CMOS battery and getting a hard drive for it first

[ashen spindle]

as an overgrown raspberry pi

[crisp granite]

sell for moneyz

use it as a NAS

[wheat plume]

I was thinking either a NAS or a game server

cause next year, I will have a proper wifi router I can access :DD

I can finally port forward again

[crisp granite]

oh

or for a minecraft server

never forget that option

[wheat plume]

Could have any game server :D surely more than one server can be installed at once

[ashen spindle]

kinda doubt it has hardware good enough for any server to run fine

[crisp granite]

quin

minecraft 1.6.4

vanilla

it will run on a brick and a handful of wires

[wheat plume]

I once ran a modded server on this thing WHILE PLAYING ON IT TOO

[crisp granite]

I'm sure it'll be fine on lana's old prebuilt

🤮 PREBUILT

[wheat plume]

shhh

I was like 13 years old

and never had a computer before

dont judge me

hardly going to jump right into building my own :P

[crisp granite]

oh

that's what I did after leaving the laptop noob section

and the console peasants

[wheat plume]

xd

[crisp granite]

because building a gaming PC is cheaper than a laptop and a console

for better performance

[wheat plume]

I had a laptop which I used for nearly 2 years before I had internet access

[crisp granite]

before you...what

[wheat plume]

i got very VERY familiar with windows 7.... xd

and very good at pinball

.-.

[crisp granite]

you know

my dad saw me playing pinball on windows 7 forever ago

then he started talking about how he had a pinball machine in his basement growing up

[wheat plume]

only got internet access at my house when I was maybe 12

[crisp granite]

and how you could literally pick up and tilt the table

[wheat plume]

oo

:')

[crisp granite]

and pinball arcades had to start nailing down machines since teenagers forever ago were breaking them

:D

[wheat plume]

welp...

[crisp granite]

still waiting for a 3060ti

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[crisp granite]

wtf

actually

kinda makes sense

[wheat plume]

the only times I was able to connect to internet was at my dads house when we lived in america and also at my uncles house on his computer when we visited

[crisp granite]

living in america

[wheat plume]

was born there

still have friends there :D

[young pecan]

For a lot of my life I had the blazing fast speed of 150 KB/s. :)

[wheat plume]

same

[crisp granite]

pog

[young pecan]

8 years or something.

Pain.

[crisp granite]

anyway

I'm finally fixing my shit internet

[wheat plume]

the fastest my wifi ever got was about 400-600kb/s

[crisp granite]

to the tune of $85 a month

.-.

[young pecan]

Ouch.

[wheat plume]

and now its pretty decent except downloading games

[young pecan]

Looking at getting gigabit down in a while.

[crisp granite]

for 50 down, and at least 10 up

mb

[young pecan]

Need to move house so I’m trying to find FTTP.

1000 down, 250 up.

[crisp granite]

good news, my mining exploits will pay for the internet and more

[young pecan]

Pog

[crisp granite]

and I'll set most of the profits aside

possibly even buy another GPU

[young pecan]

Use profits to buy more cards.

[crisp granite]

well, yes, that is the plan

[young pecan]

1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc.

[crisp granite]

at the end of month 3, I'll buy a 3080

[young pecan]

It exponentially grows. :D

[crisp granite]

the only thing that worries me is the built in etherium hash limiters

coming on RTX cards from now on

[young pecan]

I give hackers a few months to find a way around it.

I also give 90% on it being a jank mess. xD

[ashen spindle]

nah unless nvidia has an oopsie that wont get solved

[crisp granite]

still, I'm gonna be safe and buy cards I know don't have hash limiters

[reef patrol]

Didn't they already defeat it with a hdmi dongle?

[young pecan]

Wait what?

[ashen spindle]

sorta, but only part of it

[reef patrol]

I see.

[ashen spindle]

people have been trying to reverse nvidia stuff that would handle this for years without success

they wont suddenly be able to do it

[reef patrol]

It's that classic meme. "Who would win - A corporation who doesn't REALLY care, or a million hacky bois"

[young pecan]

shrugs Wasn’t exactly a whole lot of money in it.

Now there is.

[crisp granite]

*a million hacky boiz with money on the line

[reef patrol]

True

[young pecan]

^

[reef patrol]

Ultimately all nVidia need is plausible deniability.

[ashen spindle]

well now they care to push the profits of the mining cards up

[young pecan]

What they also need is to fuck off their new mining cards.

It’s so sad.

[crisp granite]

I'd buy them

[reef patrol]

So true.

[young pecan]

No.

No no no.

[crisp granite]

if they had at least triple the hash rate

and half the cost

ffs

[young pecan]

Overpriced, use too much power, bad silicone, stupid marketing BS, etc.

Actual e-waste.

[reef patrol]

I'm not against the idea of Mining specific SKUs that make sense. BUT - Doing it in the middle of a crisis?

Also e-waste. I hate e-waste and I doubt nVidia will ever consider unlocking them down the road. Like those 1060 cards Linus got without output.

[ashen spindle]

and have no purpose after the boom is over, gpus at least can be salvaged as long as they still work

[young pecan]

I mean, it makes sense to make mining cards out of garbage silicone.

Just...

At the price point it’d literally mean 11 month ROI.

Fucking why even?

[young pecan]

Not terrible.

[crisp granite]

restocking 2024

[young pecan]

Lmfao

[ashen spindle]

I also think they cant unlock them, they most likely cut the silicon that has video output to increase margin

[crisp granite]

the earliest any RTX 3000 cards listed restock is november of this year

no shortage here

[reef patrol]

You're probably right. But given how people could get the 1060s running, at least they could offer some kind of patched driver down the road.

[crisp granite]

(of people who want some goddamn gpus)

[reef patrol]

You can't fix hardware, but you CAN release software.

[ashen spindle]

yeah for the mining skus definitely

but the cpx or what the moniker was, no video part in the chip means no way to ever do that

[reef patrol]

You could pass it through though?

Or did I completely misunderstand Anthony's explanation way back?

[ashen spindle]

let me double check bc I wanna be sure

[crisp granite]

oh shit

quick question

[young pecan]

Iirc it was passing it through, no?

[crisp granite]

so, hash limiters

any word on if they're gonna be on the 90 sku

[ashen spindle]

cant find it but will keep an eye open for it, but from what I remember is that someone was able to have a look at the hardware, and they are missing parts for video signal and different voltage handling so you completely can't use it for video signaling

yes, the entire stack

[crisp granite]

:|

[ashen spindle]

thankfully

[crisp granite]

just means I get to go for scalped cards, with mid 2021 or earlier receipts

[young pecan]

Gonna need to start collecting cards faster.

Need to generate profits faster.

[crisp granite]

or possibly switch over to AMD?

[young pecan]

Both.

[ashen spindle]

yeah just get a 5700 for 1.2k

[crisp granite]

:|

hash rate is really lacking for the money

but getting a NVidia card with a hash limiter would be even worse

but hey, as long as it can make me $300 USD a month, I can't complain about a 4 month ROI on a 6700XT

[ashen spindle]

4 month ROI only if the planned ETH change to make mining not work anymore in 2 months isn't coming out

[young pecan]

That’s not how PoS works.

[crisp granite]

proof of stake will require...

[young pecan]

PoS requires Eth stake to be selected for a node.

That’s literally it.

More changes, yeah, but that’s the core.

Higher Eth stake = higher odds at being selected for a node.

To a point, at least.

[ashen spindle]

I mean I wouldn't put it past them that it also extremely increases the difficulty or something by accident

[young pecan]

No, not really.

Difficulty spike is because of the stake required.

If you can afford the stake you can afford to mine.

Also add that the stake only fucks off if you mine a fraudulent block.

[crisp granite]

welp, staking pool join time

:|

[young pecan]

Basically you stay near a good validation node and you suffer shit all problems since the generation is higher than any potential loss.

PoS is scary when you’re dirt poor, but the GPU literally pays for it’s own stake.

Though also consider that PoS is looking at 40% difficulty increase, Eth is also about 40% more valuable now. That’ll go up.

[crisp granite]

wait

hm

@young pecan

nvm

[ashen spindle]

just put your electricity cost and the model in the first google result for mining calculator and it's a good estimate

[zenith sonnet]

@cursive summit https://www.techpowerup.com/282170/msi-warns-against-malicious-afterburner-website
You didn't get that one, did you?

[cursive summit]

Uh yeah

I did

That was that one

Fuck me I had kaspersky off at that time

[zenith sonnet]

Well, time to wipe your system

[cursive summit]

Wait how does the real website look

[zenith sonnet]

I dunno

Never used it

I go to Guru3D or use the internal updater

[cursive summit]

Oh

Oh I'm safe then

I downloaded from here

[zenith sonnet]

[zenith sonnet]

Don't forget your tax rate

[crisp granite]

ugh

I doubt the canadian government would give a shit about me making a few thousand a year mining

they have other and better ways to tax me

[ashen spindle]

yeah they wait a year and then hit you with tax+ extra cost for not having it all registered properly

[ashen spindle]

ctr is pretty overhyped and useless imo

[zenith sonnet]

I dunno about your laws, but in Germany tax is calculated for the sum of your yearly income

[ashen spindle]

nah its not overkill like that, just that you can either use generic timings to improve or have to manually figure out stuff anyway

[crisp granite]

same here, but I don't recall them taxing mining unless it's a full on business and producing lots of money

[ashen spindle]

CTR isn't that special at getting values aside from the generics and you need to manually test anyway afterwards

[zenith sonnet]

I thought the main purpose of CTR was to optimise for many MHz you can get out of the stock voltage

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zenith sonnet]

Treat it like income from stocks. It's speculative trading

[crisp granite]

I'll check the tax code, most of the shit changes have come under trudeau the past few years

very possible he messed that up too

[zenith sonnet]

Taxing speculative trading is nothing new
Crypto is just a new, volatile way of doing it

I'm already chuckling seeing many many clueless miners getting hit with cases of tax fraud in the coming years

[reef tundra]

To be charged with fraud you need to be knowing of it though

[zenith sonnet]

False

[reef tundra]

Most likely the shock is the irs sending the bill

[zenith sonnet]

Then again, how can you even 'not know' that you're making an income from mining?

[reef tundra]

Because they didn't know it counted towards it. Usually you would first get a notice and only when they can prove you actually knew or refused after they told you. Otherwise they claim the unpaid taxes and move on

[reef patrol]

US IT in a nutshell.

[reef tundra]

I tend to overdeclare everything, whatever is not taxed will get refunded here. Prevents having to pay more later

[reef patrol]

The pipeline hack revealed a million gaping holes. So many devices open to internet that shouldn't even be on a LAN.