🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

yes

[wheat plume]

ffs

[ashen spindle]

but if you want terminal and you already have it, just don't continue writing the word?

dont see the issue here

[young pecan]

Iirc doesn’t Term also bring up CMD? Or didn’t it used to?

[ashen spindle]

depends on if you have terminal installed or nor

which is why it's just an akward situation but not really something I'd blame ms for doing that way

[pale sigil]

Cmd is just a hard coded response to terminal

Always has been

No matter what you do command prompt will always show

When you type terminal

[ashen spindle]

yes

[pale sigil]

Hopefully this changes

In time

[ashen spindle]

don't think it will not that it should

[young pecan]

I usually just either keep it bound to a macro or on my hotbar.

Haven’t opened a terminal the old way in ages.

[pale sigil]

Windows terminal open via ctrl alt t when

[young pecan]

Hmm.

[crimson wigeon]

right now

[pale sigil]

TIL you can make shortcuts in windows

You sir have changed my life

[cursive summit]

What

[crimson wigeon]

It still doesn't do winkey binds so completely useless it is

It still doesn't do winkey binds so completely useless it is

[young pecan]

LuaMacros is your friend.

[pale sigil]

Oh fuck sake

Oh fuck sake

It has to be a shortcut?

[young pecan]

Make macro to make macro. Monke brain stronk.

[pale sigil]

It has to be a shortcut?

[cursive summit]

How do you never see the shortcut option

[young pecan]

[pale sigil]

Ugh

[young pecan]

Shortcut makes an icon.

[pale sigil]

Shortcut key

[crimson wigeon]

Yes but you can just hide them in a folder like

[pale sigil]

I meant originally

Lol

[young pecan]

Executable properties allows you to trigger shortcut keys.

[pale sigil]

TIL I can shortcut key

XD

[reef patrol]

Whoa there - That Mac nostalgia icon.

[pale sigil]

TIL I can shortcut key

XD

Is what I meant

[young pecan]

Or you just use LuaMacros and solve all problems.

Big brain.

[pale sigil]

Also discord keeps failing to send messages, noice

[young pecan]

LuaMacros is by far the best solution if you wanna put a few hours in. Nothing comes close, sadly.

[pale sigil]

"Don't use this software. Really. It's difficult to use, has bugs and the author has very little time to maintain it. It was written just to connect multiple keyboards to a flight simulator (X-Plane) to control different knobs and buttons in the plane/helicopter. The author is using it just for this purpose."

XD directly from the source

[young pecan]

Fucking Lua. Pseudocode bullshit.

[pale sigil]

Doesn't give me much confidence

[young pecan]

Mhmm, but the functionality is the best of the options.

[wheat plume]

how you get to that window?

[young pecan]

Which is depressing.

[pale sigil]

Right clock and properties

[young pecan]

@pale sigil The reason LuaMacros is so good is it allows you to bind beyond F12 into macros and that means you get infinite macro stacks.

You can literally bind all the stuff.

[wheat plume]

right click shows no properties option

[pale sigil]

Not from start lana

You have to manually go to the program file

[young pecan]

@wheat plume Find the executable of whatever it is and right click properties.

[pale sigil]

What you see in start is just a shortcut

[wheat plume]

oh now I need to find where UWP apps are located

[crimson wigeon]

Or just drag it out from the start menu

[young pecan]

Right click shortcut properties and click open file location.

Proceed to properties.

[wheat plume]

it no work when I assign shortcut

[young pecan]

shrugs Idk then.

I don’t use it. xD

[ashen spindle]

nope, bc I almost never used it

[pale sigil]

I don't pin anything

Except maybe brave

[cursive summit]

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/hyperx-announces-predator-ddr4-memory-101500594.html

[ashen spindle]

yahoo
announcement that they now offer the same as others

[misty saffron]

i am now getting twice as much lol

[young pecan]

Jeeeeeeeez.

[misty saffron]

10 euro in 24 hours with a 2080 LUL

eth should get its shit together and go even higher

i like this

[young pecan]

10k ayy lmao

[crimson wigeon]

What

[reef patrol]

[misty saffron]

LMAO my profitability is 0.00023040 btc

and it used to be 0.0001

i wish i had more gpus

[young pecan]

WOOO! 0.04 ETH DAILY!

YEEEEEEE!

I should be making $50!!

[misty saffron]

10 euro daily with 40.02 MH/s

fucking hell

actual "get money" button

[young pecan]

Money printer go BRRRRRRRR

[pale sigil]

I want to mine but bleh

[young pecan]

shrugs Nothing particularly wrong with mining.

[pale sigil]

Hate leaving my system on 24/7

[ashen spindle]

then dont

[young pecan]

Pff, it's fine.

Free heater.

[ashen spindle]

you dont have to run it 24/7

[pale sigil]

Room also becomes awfully hot

[young pecan]

That issue kinda sucks.

Could just mine when at work or whatever?

[pale sigil]

So basically mine when I'm at my desk

XD

[young pecan]

I mean...

You have a 3080.

[pale sigil]

Or when I sleep but then I won't be able to sleep because its to warm

[young pecan]

Not worth 16 USD daily?

[pale sigil]

16 if I run it 24/7

[young pecan]

6 grand USD yearly for doing nothing.

[pale sigil]

Fuck all if I run it for a few hours

[young pecan]

Hundreds of spare free dollars.

You look at it the wrong way. In a decent job a promotion might mean 5 grand extra a year, maybe 10.

That is literally 2 GPUs and you do nothing.

For what amounts to a promotion you might get after 2 years of working.

[pale sigil]

Again the heat

Also power consumption

[young pecan]

shrugs Make mining rig and put it somewhere else.

And?

How much is your power?

Power is cheap af.

[pale sigil]

To much

[young pecan]

You paying $3 USD/KWh?

Maybe then, sure.

But uhh...

Nowhere on earth is that high. :L

[pale sigil]

From what I gathered when I did do it

I'd make about £3-4 a day running 2_/7

[young pecan]

Then you're doing it wrong.

[ashen spindle]

a 3080 makes about 15€ a day, with electricity costs around 1-2€ depending on your price

[young pecan]

Profit of 13 USD per day at 0.2 USD/KWh.

Literally math, it's not going to lose money because you think it will.

Until such a point where Etherium or any other crypto isn't good to mine it'll be profitable. That ain't happening any time soon.

[pale sigil]

I prob am doing it wrong

[young pecan]

Yeah, you're mining Bitcoin with a GPU.

No shit the profits suck.

Bitcoin is completely dominated by ASICs, GPUs can't keep up.

[pale sigil]

But you mentioned my 3080 multiple times xD

[young pecan]

With Etherium.

Different coin.

[pale sigil]

I see

I thought etherium was weak

[young pecan]

Yeah nah.

By far Eth is the most profitable coin.

[crisp granite]

hm

wait

[young pecan]

Might change when PoS happens, but until then.

[crisp granite]

Aeon

[young pecan]

?

[crisp granite]

dumbass question

[pale sigil]

Hmm

What services do you use

[crisp granite]

can old ASICs do mining of other coins, or are they purpose built for something else?

[pale sigil]

To mine with

I might go for it then

[reef patrol]

Purpose built.

And quickly become obsolete.

[crisp granite]

because if so, might be able to breathe new life into old ones mining etherium

[young pecan]

All ASICs mine certain algorithms, ASICs built toward SHA-256 will ONLY mine coins working on that.

[crisp granite]

ah

bummer

so I'd need to find one built for the same algo

[reef patrol]

Yeah... big source of IT garbage.

[young pecan]

@pale sigil Go Ethermine.

[crisp granite]

:(

[young pecan]

I use that.

[pale sigil]

What's an average hash rate

[young pecan]

Replace the wallet with yours and it's work with T-Rex.

Average hash rate depends on the card.

My 3070s usually hit 62.5MH/s.

[pale sigil]

Aren't there any services like nice hash

[ashen spindle]

yeah asics suck, they are looking at using 5nm tsmc capacity soon which is just a tragic waste of actual resource capacity

[young pecan]

Yes.

HiveOS.

Full fat operating system built to mine.

Very simple to use, but it's an OS, needs a dedi miner.

[crimson wigeon]

Burn more resources for this awesome virtual currency of the future that's not even remotely ready to handle actual transactions Pepega

[crisp granite]

people pay real money for these virtual coins

so just add that extra step

[young pecan]

@crimson wigeon Oh ikr. Honestly I just wanna see how banks try and integrate this with COBOL.

[crisp granite]

and you're golden

[young pecan]

Nah.

[ashen spindle]

oh god yes, cobol based crypto LMAO

that would be such a mess

[young pecan]

Lmaooooooo

Fuck it, write the backend in COBOL and everything else in LUA.

Run it in ComputerCraft.

Very pog.

[pale sigil]

As long as you can sell it who cares

[ashen spindle]

so of the 5 people in the world that can do cobol, 2 would work on this and one actually understands it

[young pecan]

Lmao

Oh fuck yeah, a stain on my stats for when the power went out.

Sick.

Panels shipped in 3 to 5 months from AliExpress.

[pale sigil]

XD

[crisp granite]

quality for the price, not quality

[young pecan]

Wym?

[crisp granite]

for the price you pay, just be glad that the glass didn't come pre shattered

[young pecan]

Free things have an infinite price to performance ratio.

[cursive summit]

So, Aeon

Can I run HiveOS in a VM?

@young pecan

[young pecan]

I mean...

Probably, but why?

[cursive summit]

Or that doesn't work due to how relatively inefficient virtualization is

[ashen spindle]

why do you want to vm it

[cursive summit]

Dunno, maximizing profits

[young pecan]

Just dual boot or use a batch file.

You wanna know stonks? Grab yourself a big fuck off loan from fam and go build a dedi rig.

Just do your research prior and you’ll be fine.

[cursive summit]

Yeah I ain't shooting myself in a foot with that

[young pecan]

I’m on $25,000 rn.

[cursive summit]

I might be retarded but I'm not that retarded

[young pecan]

Which one of us makes a grand a week doing nothing?

Ah yes.

I do.

I say again. Do your research, learn the systems and understand it.

Test in Ethermine, and then go grab an investment.

Treat it like a business deal because that’s what it is.

[cursive summit]

So, what's a good cryptowallet

[vapid zodiac]

well... is that 1k usd gross profit or net profit?

[young pecan]

Metamask for starting out.

[cursive summit]

gross

[vapid zodiac]

and your net?

[young pecan]

Gross profit. Take $40 AUD off.

So... about $1.250/week.

At least so long as this holds out.

With zero luck? Net of around $450 AUD/week.

[vapid zodiac]

my stonks going up without any cost

[young pecan]

Your stonks also require constant luck and can crash extremely quickly.

[vapid zodiac]

i dont touch it, i just watch

[young pecan]

shrugs Investing is good, but constant money is better.

Both are better still.

[cursive summit]

Alright I got the wallet set up and I downloaded trex

Fuck do I do next

[ashen spindle]

use google

[vapid zodiac]

if i had planned properly, i could have made quite a bit mining because the electricity here is flat fee

[ashen spindle]

there are tons of easy tutorials

[vapid zodiac]

moving out in a month tho

sadge

[young pecan]

@cursive summit You need to learn how a blockchain works.

Go YouTube, don’t mine shit until you learn.

It’s not a plug and play solution if you want good money.

Generally speaking use T-Rex, grab your Etherium address AND YOU MAKE SURE TO TRIPLE CHECK EVERY ADDRESS EVERY TIME YOU EVER USE ONE EVER, throw it in, and run the batch.

[vapid zodiac]

you can make "some" money quickly and easily but its certainly not the min-max youll actually want to do to get the most money

[young pecan]

Mmm.

Can’t ever treat crypto like a get rich quick scheme. It isn’t.

[cursive summit]

And as soon as I unzipped trex

[young pecan]

Yep.

Damn near all miners are false flagged.

They need to be embedded pretty deep to work.

Just only ever use legit ones and check your checksums to be sure it’s not malware. Also be sure to only ever DL from official sources.

[vapid zodiac]

also they use so much of your hardware that windows will contemplate its life decisions

[young pecan]

Lmfao yeah.

Eth is really RAM heavy, so it will only work at 4.5GB or higher.

[crimson wigeon]

Doesn't help that for a while (and probably even still) naughty people hid miners as a kind of malware

[young pecan]

^

Make crazy bank off it, tho.

[vapid zodiac]

my gpu (rx480 8gb) is still a decent mining card but i kinda need it rn to actually use computer...

[young pecan]

Mmm.

[vapid zodiac]

not as good as the new ones

but still, not too bad

[young pecan]

ROI of a few months, no?

[vapid zodiac]

eh, roi is secondary, i already own it

i want to get a new card for games anyway so would not be too bad of a use of the old one

because selling it would be ehhh

[young pecan]

Grab 3070-3090, I think.

Or 2080 Super.

[vapid zodiac]

3070 was my plan

[young pecan]

Mmmm.

[vapid zodiac]

i waited for 30 series so i could upgrade but we all know how that went

[young pecan]

Grabbing 3090 myself since I can get for WAY under street.

Can just throw one in an order from my supplier.

[cursive summit]

So as far as I'm getting trex is an nvidia card thingy

I got a 5700

[young pecan]

Yeh.

Ah!

Mmmmm. NBMiner?

Oh! PhoenixMiner.

That one is fairly good.

[cursive summit]

Apparently not as good as TeamRed Miner

Which is a funny name

[young pecan]

TeamRed is for AMD specific, yeah.

Sounds pog.

[cursive summit]

So I can mine from Windows right?

[young pecan]

Yeh.

Depending on the miner itself, some won’t.

[ashen spindle]

yous should seriously read up on this by just looking at the first google result over trusting random people with your hardware

[young pecan]

Yeah.

[vapid zodiac]

linux would mean less overhead so you may get a tad more performance but compatability ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[young pecan]

Really super read on it.

[cursive summit]

I'm doing like 50% google 50% talking to people who do this shit for a living

[young pecan]

I suggest hitting up a few different subreddits as well. There’s a few really nice guides to starting Eth mining.

But holy shit, man.

Always remember your security.

You must remember that crypto is not a bank, you fuck up a transfer and the odds are extremely high that it’s gone forever. No insurance outside of certain circumstance.

And because of that you need to secure all of your stuff. Good passwords, common sense, 2FA on all the things, etc etc.

And never give your private keys or seed phrases to anyone regardless of what they say EVER.

[cursive summit]

So, internet security 101

[young pecan]

Basically.

[cursive summit]

I think I'm fine on that front

[young pecan]

Just remember that nobody will be around to help if you get burned. You’re your own help.

Keep paranoid and you’ll be fine.

[cursive summit]

Meh I'm not doing this for serious rn

Just want to see if this is worth it

FAM FUCK KASPERSKY FOR KEEPING ME SAFE

It keeps deleting the fucking bat files

[ashen spindle]

idk what you even said

but #archived_fortnite_double_movement

[young pecan]

@cursive summit Oh you will.

Just wait a few weeks.

[cursive summit]

Kaspersky is such half cancer but I love it

It completely bypasses my Ignore orders and keeps deleting the bats

Which is secure but eh

Teamredminer seems to be exclusive for HiveOS

[young pecan]

Check out PhoenixMiner. I know that works for AMD.

I think NBMiner also does but I can’t remember since I’ve been using Trex for ages.

[cursive summit]

So, is this bad?

[young pecan]

Which card?

[cursive summit]

Actually it went up

RX 5700

[young pecan]

Looks right.

You could do some core tweaking, underclock core, overclock memory etc.

Reduce core voltage for overnight work.

[cursive summit]

My GPU isn't doing jack shit though

[young pecan]

It’s mining.

[cursive summit]

No utilization?

[young pecan]

Mhmm.

[cursive summit]

I heard it was supposed to be blazing

[young pecan]

Etherium for you.

Extremely memory intense, check out the VRAM usage.

[cursive summit]

Nothing

[fickle ore]

this channel was nicer when it was about tech not crypto

[ashen spindle]

....

[young pecan]

That’s DRAM, dude.

[cursive summit]

Ah VRAM

[young pecan]

Yeh.

Typically Eth scales really well with memory speed, not so much with core.

[cursive summit]

So so

[young pecan]

Yeah, that’s about what I’d expect.

[cursive summit]

So, the best question is

[young pecan]

@fickle ore Funny that, I’d think it counts. :P

[cursive summit]

Where do I check what I earned

[young pecan]

What wallet address are you mining to?

[cursive summit]

I did slap my wallet address into the bat file

Well, the MetaMask one

[young pecan]

https://ethermine.org

Copy that bitch into there.

Should be able to see real time stats and all that such.

[cursive summit]

What's a miner address?

[young pecan]

The wallet address.

[cursive summit]

I wasn't provided one

Ah

[young pecan]

Yee.

[cursive summit]

Apparently, it's not doing anything

[young pecan]

Give it 15 mins or so.

Might take a while for the initial kickoff.

[cursive summit]

Well, we'll see

I might look into optimizations and stuff

Brain is in total shut off rn

Exams and shit

[young pecan]

Mm.

If it doesn’t work just check the bat file and make sure you used your Eth receive address, not the send one.

I’d also use a wallet application such as Exodus, desktop wallets are a very good thing to have since they can transfer many coins that aren’t purely on the Etherium blockchain.

[cursive summit]

There are two different addresses?

[young pecan]

Yeh.

[cursive summit]

I'm just using this one from MetaMask

Oh shit it's working

[young pecan]

Eyy!!

[young pecan]

Hey, nice!

[cursive summit]

Isn't 4.8MH/s like really bad?

[young pecan]

Just give it 2 hours to catch up and you’ll see what it can do.

[vapid zodiac]

ive shown you my crypto wallet, show yours

[young pecan]

Also remember that your hashrate will be a little fucked while your monitor is on since the GPU needs to actually render the screen.

[cursive summit]

Why tf am I earning 30$ monthly

[young pecan]

Just taking a while to catch up.

Give it time and it’ll do correct math.

[cursive summit]

Eh sure

So, can I even do any gaming during this?

[young pecan]

shrugs Sure.

[fickle ore]

haha no

[cursive summit]

It seems to have 3GBs of VRAM free

[young pecan]

The GPU is doing fuck all.

So long as you don’t completely ruin the VRAM you’ll be right.

Keep it light while mining and you’re all good. :)

[cursive summit]

Fuck you mean "Ruin the vram"

I ain't destroying my card

[vapid zodiac]

ive only got 0.02 eth 😢

[young pecan]

Use it all.

Use it all and the card freaks out hard at just having no VRAM left.

Huge stutters in game.

[cursive summit]

Man I was bamboozled and tricked into fucking my card

[young pecan]

But yeah, your gains will be a little screwy for the first few days while Ethermine actually works out your GPU chart.

Since you’re gaming, at least. Dedi miners seem to fully adjust in a matter of hours.

[cursive summit]

I pay 0,0136004 Eur/kWh for electricity

So less than you I'm pretty sure

[young pecan]

Pfff. Lmao

Way less.

My cost is 0.22 USD/KWh.

Pain.

[cursive summit]

So I'm just supposed to leave this thing doing his thing

[young pecan]

Basically, yeah.

Once you set it you can feel free to forget it.

[crisp granite]

yeah

crack open a cider

sit back

relax

[young pecan]

Crypto mining is so broken.

Actually just money printer go brrrrrrrrr.

[crisp granite]

lmao, god rebalance the crypto mechanic

so broken

[young pecan]

That’s pretty bad, Locke.

But y’know what? Still extremely doable.

??

[cursive summit]

It ain't that bad

[reef patrol]

I imagine their power grid is pretty limited.

[young pecan]

Huh.

Uhh...

Run everything on VPN?

I have.

[fickle ore]

VPN & use binance and see if you have a method to draw cash out without ID. EU can draw without ID with a 1% cut

[young pecan]

^

Basically that.

Iirc Binance can do PayPal, no?

@cursive summit Told you. :P

Yeah, that’s an issue.

[fickle ore]

Eh, you're not missing much anyway, FOMO runs high atm so it might feel like it

[young pecan]

Disagree.

FOMO running high kicks your teeth in if you don’t have a supplier.

9 month ROI cards are FOMO being horrible.

The aim is 6 months and it’s kinda reasonable.

[fickle ore]

Not everyone wants to mine and bearish case it's already too late anyway

crypto sucks & would rather discuss real tech

[young pecan]

How so? The ASICs aren’t taking over everything yet.

[ashen spindle]

yea but with antminers trying to place orders at 5nm at tsmc that might push other orders back a bit too zzz

[young pecan]

Where do they think they’ll be getting any supply for that?

Not like TSMC is making enough chips for that kind of work.

[fickle ore]

Just gotta hang in tight for awhile until digital yuan/usd and rip crypto 😛

[young pecan]

Why’re you thinking crypto will end up dead, Dag?

What’s the logic there? Curious.

[fickle ore]

@young pecan not dead but it will be a lot easier to prevent alternate currencies at national level, especially for china

[young pecan]

That banks on crypto not getting widespread official support.

Could go either way.

Yes, in China it’ll likely end up a problem, but then I imagine all of the miners will simply move elsewhere.

Not like they’ll abandon their money printer.

[fickle ore]

Official support for crypto.. xD

oh well

[young pecan]

shrugs A bunch of larger banks in the UK are designing their own coin.

Also Visa actively developing their own solution.

And Elon/etc hopping on.

Idk man, those are all pretty damn big players.

[fickle ore]

anything that's easier to tax will be done so

every european country is creating their own digital euro banking system atm

[young pecan]

I don’t see crypto going anywhere soon.

Years down the line, maybe. But not soon.

[fickle ore]

I just hope I have enough time to move my profits off of exchanges before the switch happens

After that good luck not getting caught

[young pecan]

Oh please. You could move money in a matter of minutes. This kind of switch is years in the making.

And even then you can simply shift assets somewhere it’s legal.

[crisp granite]

welp

[young pecan]

If you’re a big enough player that kind of move isn’t trivial, but still easy.

[crisp granite]

now I'm starting to think mining might just be a decent idea

at least for a little while

[young pecan]

Yeee.

[crisp granite]

Aeon, any advice on how to start up?

[young pecan]

Go do research into how a Blockchain works.

Start basic mining with Trex or something and do your testing.

After that locate cheap power or host it yourself and begin the farm.

I gloss over weeks of research, but you get the point.

[crisp granite]

power isn't that bad where I am, something like a third of what you pay iirc

[young pecan]

Jesus fuck.

[crisp granite]

one of my province's main exports is power

go figure

[young pecan]

Then yeah, go research how crypto actually works and learn up on wallets, exchanges, blockchains, miners, pools, and PoS/PoW.

[crisp granite]

literally sell it to the US

[crisp granite]

aight

[young pecan]

From there you’ll just pick up info and you’re gud.

[crisp granite]

aight

[young pecan]

Righto sleep now because it’s 5am.

[cursive summit]

My estimateds went up

[crisp granite]

that is truly pog

[cursive summit]

So I'm literally earning 270$ profit

So I'm literally earning 270$ profit

[crisp granite]

a year?

[cursive summit]

Month

[crisp granite]

...

dude

awesome

[cursive summit]

My hashrate went up to 280$

And I haven't even optimized my card

[cursive summit]

My PC is half dying though

Keeps lagging

[crisp granite]

ok then

[cursive summit]

Meh it's fine

Free money

[crisp granite]

I actually plan on using my PC for other things at the same time as mining

I'll skip until I can build a separate mining rig

[cursive summit]

My poor blower card

[misty saffron]

shit card

[young pecan]

I wake briefly.

@cursive summit S P I N F A N F A S T

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-meme-gotta-go-fast-explosion-to-fast-gif-17214622

f a s t

[cursive summit]

Ain't half shitty

[young pecan]

Ikr.

Alright then, I pass out.

[wheat plume]

I now have 142GB free space on my 1TB SSD.....

fml

[reef patrol]

I'm down to 3TB on my main SSD 😦

[wheat plume]

🤔

wtf size SSD is that?!

[reef patrol]

4TB

[wheat plume]

oh boi

[crisp granite]

boi

you have 4 tb on your main drive

[cursive summit]

Shit my fan speed was capped at 38%

[crisp granite]

I feel like a peasant with my 2 one tb drives

[reef patrol]

And another 2x1TB on the side. 😄

[cursive summit]

Holy shit I heard my fans for the first time at 100%

They are insane

[reef patrol]

(One of them not plugged in atm)

[crisp granite]

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[cursive summit]

WOOOOOOOOOOSH

[crisp granite]

(BLOWER CARD)

[crimson wigeon]

FEEL THE POWER

[crisp granite]

MUST YELL SO YOU CAN HEAR

[crimson wigeon]

OF THE JET ENGINE

[cursive summit]

At least at 50% fans the temps went down -10C

Actually my hashrate went up even more

[crimson wigeon]

Probably hit some thermal throttling and now it's relieved

[cursive summit]

Yeah I OC'd the memory a bit

[crimson wigeon]

Crank it all up +50%

go big or go home

[cursive summit]

Limitation of the Adrenalin software

Actually

Might try this

[crimson wigeon]

Something like this, UNLIMITED POWER

[cursive summit]

What the fuck have I done

[crisp granite]

dude

[cursive summit]

WHAT THE FUCK

[crisp granite]

something ain't right

[cursive summit]

Yeah this doesn't work

Or I'm destroying my card

[crimson wigeon]

FASTER

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[crisp granite]

hm

[cursive summit]

It's staying at 70

Which is what

[crisp granite]

I might be able to hit 100 MH/s if you can do that with your card

RTX 3000 cards are reportedly a hell of a lot faster for mining

[cursive summit]

I think my card is just working weirdly

Golden silicon?

Oh shit I shouldn't push this card much further

[crisp granite]

yep

[cursive summit]

Fell off a wee bit

But that's cause I stopped OCing it

I haven't really done much in terms of undervolting

[cursive summit]

https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/EzFIvl4VkAQQgJq-scaled.jpg

[young pecan]

@cursive summit Get some decent performance?

[zenith sonnet]

Doubtful. This popped up in the news instead
https://www.techpowerup.com/282003/intel-study-diversity-and-inclusion-in-gaming

[astral haven]

Ice lake x is fast 🤷

It's just not the fastest

[young pecan]

@zenith sonnet Oh fuck yeah, making an all inclusive activity that has shit all barriers more inclusive.

Cool af. But to who?

Outside of physical disabilities, I can't see that headline being anything other than pointless. :D

[zenith sonnet]

I'm so positive the wheelchaired gamer would prefer wheelchaired MCs over say, accessibility options

[young pecan]

Ikr.

Fucking beautiful.

Play Tarvok with a wheelchaired character.

Super defo 1000% perfectly a priority.

Idk how this is so complex for people, y'know? Games are an art form, let them be art and not pander to random stuff of any kind.

Inputs on the other hand? Fuck yes make that shit modular and able to support damn near any input config.

[astral haven]

the problem is vision and subtitles

cause white text black outline helvetica gets ultra boring after pretty much 1 hour

for the visually impaired, you can just improve the readability of your game

[young pecan]

Fine, still not a problem. We have color blind modes and the such for that reason.

[zenith sonnet]

Proper colour blindness options are very rare

[young pecan]

More R&D in them, sounds good.

[astral haven]

valve was the best at it in the past
but basically you are supposed to be able to posterize the game to black and white (not even greyscale) and still be able to tell whats going on approximately
not only does this allow the colorblind to read the game, it helps the partially blind too, as well as reducing strain on normally sighted people

[zenith sonnet]

Not all games are narrated for those that can't read
Not all games have subtitles for those that can't hear

[astral haven]

well i mean sorry to the first group

[young pecan]

But...

Yeah.

[astral haven]

but subtitles are a problem

[young pecan]

How does one play a game if one is illiterate?

That's my only question.

[astral haven]

to be fair its not the illiterate

its the severe dislexics

but that can be fixed with proper font options

[young pecan]

Fair play for games in a different language, but completely illiteracy? That one has me thinking.

[zenith sonnet]

There's many causes for it

It may just be partial, too

[astral haven]

its not as much about not being able to read at all
its about the brain not handling words properly

[young pecan]

Most platforms don't even have dyslexic support, what's the solution for that?

[astral haven]

fonts

[young pecan]

Like, what's the best solution there? I'd assume simply have universal fonts.

[astral haven]

all platforms support custom fonts as far as im aware

[zenith sonnet]

Loop Hero actually has such a font

It looks awful

But it's there

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ thats accessibility options for you

its pretty tough to make a dislexia font to begin with

[zenith sonnet]

I have not seen a single game yet that offers Simple Language as an accessibility option, yet

[astral haven]

making one that also is effective and doesnt look like garbage is super tough

yea well

well who benefits from that tho?

[young pecan]

Kinda difficult to really do it, y'know? Accessibility as a whole, I mean.

[zenith sonnet]

People who rely on it to understand content

[young pecan]

There's always going to be an outlier case of 'I struggle here' and if you're trying to let everyone in it becomes an impossible challenge.

Hmm.

Gotta be a solution of some kind there, and it's clearly not the job of dev teams, it's too much work to actually do.

[astral haven]

name a single narrative game with simpler themes than narrative?

[zenith sonnet]

People who need Simple Language can understand the stories and how games work.
It is using a significantly reduced vocabulary and altered grammar to make it extremely easy to comprehend.

[young pecan]

Y'know what, man?

[astral haven]

my point still stands

[young pecan]

That sounds like a problem for such a small amount of people that nobody is going to do it.

[astral haven]

if you cant understand the narrative how could you understand the plot

[young pecan]

^ That as well.

Kinda hard to really do simple language in any complex setting.

[zenith sonnet]

Yes, you can. Entire books have been rewritten in Simple Language. It's a thing.

[astral haven]

im also not aware of a narrative game that both requires the narrative to progress and is simple enough that the developmentally challenged could play them

[young pecan]

Bruh, a videogame isn't a book and there's a LOT of moving parts there.

[astral haven]

xeanoa

[young pecan]

That's not even close to the same thing.

[astral haven]

theres a difference between reading and understanding

sure that simple language book can be read by that person

but its not the same book

its a different book

any game that requires understanding language for progression is going to be too complex for someone who cant understand language, no matter how simple the language is

[young pecan]

And think about the logistics of doing that to a game. Simplistic sentence structure is really just not going to translate into gameplay well. Cutscenes would end up different length and would thus need to be changed, in game dialogue built into the map itself would need to be changed, etc etc.,

You're now talking about overhauling 30% of the entire game. No.

[astral haven]

nah those arent a problem

[young pecan]

Depending on the game they absolutely are.

[astral haven]

you can just timestretch the simple language version up

[young pecan]

And with every piece of in game lore? Imagine doing that to Skyrim. :L

[astral haven]

and if you need to speed it up, its not simple enough 🤷‍♂️

lmao

as if anything lined up in skyrim to begin with

[young pecan]

You wanna read The Lusty Argonian Maid in simple language?

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ i dont want to read that to begin with

[young pecan]

Imagine how cursed that would be.

[astral haven]

but the problem with that is not the mechanics its the subtext

[young pecan]

Mm. True.

Regardless it'd end up a monumental amount of work to change old games to be like that.

Maybe not super bad when you're already making something, but for anything already done? Annoying.

[astral haven]

exactly the same amount of work as translating it into another language to begin with 🤷‍♂️

[young pecan]

Which ain't exactly easy, yeah.

[astral haven]

the problem isnt the doing, the problem is how much the game needs to be changed to accomodate

[young pecan]

And the context problem as well.

[astral haven]

thing is

also tbh

if the game doesnt have good enough gameplay to interest regardless of the narrative, its not gonna be fun to someone who has trouble understanding no matter whether or not they can comprehend the words

sorry but that small group of people is gonna have to fall behind the hearing, vision, and mechanically impaired

and uh

baby steps

i dont know the premise of fez

[cursive summit]

@young pecan

Sometimes it goes ~40, sometimes it hits 70

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ that game probably wouldnt be fun if it required deciphering

[cursive summit]

Mining works, weirdly enough

[zenith sonnet]

Guys...

adding those options would be pointless, because those people can't enjoy the game anyway
is EXACTLY the reason why we don't see more accessibility options
People who rely on e.g. Simple Language aren't too dumb to understand a narrative or a how a game works
You can also add options to cutscenes, like the freaking ability to rewind or pause them like a damn video, it's not that hard...

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ id be perfectly ok with a game that uses color blending as a major gameplay mechanic not adding colorblind options

and a music game not adding options for the deaf

there are vr games like boneworks that i cant properly enjoy due to vertigo yet im not asking stress level zero to make the buildings shorter

[young pecan]

Hot take, but the primary reason for this convo is that disabled people have this trend of being viewed to be so unfortunate that it's morally just to build everything in such a way that they can experience it.

Kinda falls flat though when nothing else is like that.

And more importantly, not everyone in every circle of life gets to experience everything.

That's kinda just how life works.

[cursive summit]

So Aeon, how is my card doing?

[young pecan]

Ah.

[astral haven]

the point tho is to not exclude people who meaningfully could experience the work of art if it was just slightly modified to be understandable to them

[cursive summit]

I didn't get to undervolt it yet

Just slapped an OC on the VRAM

[young pecan]

Not bad for no tweaking.

[astral haven]

problem is it isnt just color filters

[cursive summit]

So Aeon, how do these particular moments work?

[young pecan]

@astral haven I'm gonna have to kinda agree there. I agree that small changes are easy so why not, but give an inch take a mile, people then start suggesting utterly inane things.

[cursive summit]

74MH/s?

[astral haven]

the game has to somewhat support incorporating color filters to begin with

[young pecan]

I agree with smart choices, I disagree with remarkably stupid bullshit.

Like making playable characters in shooter games wheelchair bound so those with fucked legs can feel more connected to them.

That is ultimately a massive waste of time relative to the societal reward.

[astral haven]

thats not accessibility

thats inclusivity

[young pecan]

To some people it's both, man.

That's the problem.

[astral haven]

no

those words have definitions

[young pecan]

They do.

And a LOT of recent examples tend to not care for that.

Very different things, but holy shit if idiots don't treat them like they're the same.

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ inclusivity is not a requirement of art
in fact
art requires exclusivity otherwise it would all be boring

[young pecan]

Basically yeah.

But that won't stop the idiots.

[astral haven]

exclusivity as in the dictionary definition not intentionally discriminating

discrimination is not the opposite of inclusivity

[ashen spindle]

ignoring a good point just because of idiots misusing the situation is even more idiotic imo

[young pecan]

@ashen spindle Not wrong.

[astral haven]

agreed

bethesda also made a game where you are wheelchair bound for part of the game

lel

[young pecan]

Idk tho, I like the artform of games as an artform, with the current pressure to include everyone it kinda puts that at risk when you demand everyone be included for the sake of being inclusive.

[astral haven]

Wolfenstein I forget which one

again

[young pecan]

Just... let the devs do their work, y'know? If the team makes a pog story they make a pog story, no?

[astral haven]

inclusivity is not accessibility

[young pecan]

You're right, it isn't.

[astral haven]

stop strawmaning accessibility with inclusivity

theres a gigantic difference

[young pecan]

I'm failing my words here. :L

I don't mean to strawman, though I do see that unfair pressure gets put on devs when you start doing that.

Accessibility is fine, nobody is going to go against that, I'd hope.

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ you are right now

[young pecan]

However that endlessly irritating vocal minority loves to try and also force in being inclusive when that isn't even relevant.

[astral haven]

dude

again

[young pecan]

I know, I know.

[astral haven]

there are people on each side doing this exact thing

and on both sides its a problem

[young pecan]

Kinda just wish it wasn't so entangled.

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ in this conversation at least it has been you doing the entangling...

[ashen spindle]

don't treat it as entangled, call out bs when someone wants to entangle it and that will be more productive, if you argue from a point as if it's already completely related when it's not, those idiots won and you lost to them basically

[young pecan]

My original point to this is that I want accessibility stuff, but not to the stage that it causes massive problems for the dev cycle.

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ fix it in patch

sorry for being late to the party just do it eventually

make it one of the "languages" you translate to

[ashen spindle]

also it gets vastly overestimated how much extra work it would be, given how much can be re-used for other projects like color filters etc.

[young pecan]

Yesn't.

[astral haven]

90% of the time is qa

[young pecan]

If you had one dev team making tools for their thing they can use multiple times? Cool.

How do you translate that to a mass scale?

That's kinda the puzzle, no? Presumably software packages, but how do you give enough incentive for people to use em if they don't even use shit like multicore?

And yes, I know multicore is harder than a color filter.

[astral haven]

normalize using them just the same as translating into other languages has been normalized

[ashen spindle]

because it's easier to use premade packages for it if you're indie dev, or are made in a completely different department in a bigger studio

[young pecan]

That's what I thought with fonts. Just make simple software packages you can switch to, that's super easy to integrate.

[cursive summit]

Is MorePowerTool nowadays forcing you to flash a new BIOS on the card?

[fickle ore]

What u guys think about buying Intel 900p/905p optane from hong kong via ebay?

did optane have high TBW?

[ashen spindle]

no

because it has PBW 😛

I mean, what do you think you need it for? and what price would it be

intel quotes 600€ for half a tb

[fickle ore]

No I mean I ask whether buying an used optane is a good idea from say hong kong

or is it 100% scam

[ashen spindle]

again, what price?

sure can be a scam but idk if that is a market where people try to get someone bc people that are easy to scam usually dont even know what optane is lol

[fickle ore]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274740237044?hash=item3ff7cb52f4:g:aTgAAOSwXFlgZBsb

[ashen spindle]

you're not seriously considering 450 for 380gb lol

[fickle ore]

huh it says 350€

[ashen spindle]

either way, I assume you planned to use it in your own rig?

[fickle ore]

ofc 😉

idk why it reads SCSI disk eventho its m.2

[ashen spindle]

buy a 2TB pcie4 nvme for half that price lol

[fickle ore]

eww

[ashen spindle]

I seriously doubt you do anything that's small size so a 380gb is big enough, that needs a high write endurance

[fickle ore]

I need a boot/pantheon drive + rando gen 4 for rest of the shitty lobby fps games I play

[ashen spindle]

optane isn't even faster than regular ssds in most cases

[fickle ore]

around 5x faster random reads at low qd and access times are like 5-10x less

thought that would help for zone loads

aint nobody got time to wait or zoneloading 😄

[ashen spindle]

yeah no way you're getting any improvement from that, heavily doubt that

[fickle ore]

Running Vanguard in 2013 from a ramdrive was such a big boost vs ssd/hdd

I guess I could do it agian but not with this setup

needs a threadripper lol

[ashen spindle]

I mean you could profile if the ssd read is actually what is bottlenecking your loads and then see if it's read in a way that would actually be faster on optane

[fickle ore]

Tru, know any programs for that?

[ashen spindle]

uhhh not really, I guess dumping the process while it reads and profiling that would be a way, but would need code knowledge

drive profiling isn't something I know about really

[fickle ore]

;'( rip

[ashen spindle]

I guess you could try and @ the guy who does SSD reviews on anandtech if he has a twitter? maybe he can help

[fickle ore]

idk if you have seen this, but it looks to correlate with 4k/mixed reads of the individual reviews. fuck if I'm gonna regression analysis tho

Also 980 pro got a magician 6.3 update that gives ya a "game mode" where it disables power saving features. Same as WD SN850 got. It shaved off 1ms for SN850, so should be about the same for samsung.

[ashen spindle]

it's interresting, but I'm just barely able to follow cpu/gpu on the hardware side to make sense of how stuff works, I'm not trying to understand ssds as well lmao

[fickle ore]

haha 😂 Yeah too much stuff out there

[halcyon moss]

imagine buying a 380GB sdd today 🤣

[ashen spindle]

I mean, if you have one main game and it could cut load times from 2 minutes to 1, that adds up ALOT

[fickle ore]

its an in-between of a ramdrive and a ssd, optane that is

[halcyon moss]

does it do that though? i thought most ssd's these days were hitting the pci-e ceiling

[fickle ore]

It does

[halcyon moss]

.. for reads

[ashen spindle]

well that's the thing we're trying to figure out

or, rather what dag is trying to figure out mostly

[fickle ore]

I'd think something like 8-9s is hitting the cpu wall if you looking at the above pic, so yeah the cap is there but it can be reduced from where we sit currently. Pci-e bandwith is not really a limiting factor for random reads/writes sadly. We are very far from hitting the pci-e ceiling for those. Sequential reads/writes are close to maxing the pci-e bandwith, but games are not coded with seq's in mind.

But I dont know anything to say for certain so take it with salts

[halcyon moss]

its a lot of moneys tbh :p

[fickle ore]

yeah, but less than 380gb of ram xD

[halcyon moss]

checks

no im not checking

[fickle ore]

Path of Exile top racers are actually running PoE from ramdrive, iirc for every 3 mins it cuts zone load times by a total of 20-25 seconds, vs ssds

[misty saffron]

@young pecan what gpus do you mine on?

if there’s a 3080, what hash rate do you get?

[reef patrol]

Oeuf

[reef tundra]

"Capitalism just works"

[ashen spindle]

apple liked this

[crimson wigeon]

Nice

[ashen spindle]

wow gigabyte support backend is really broken

this was clearly meant for someone else to reply to me not to directly forward lmao

[crimson wigeon]

Good support

[ashen spindle]

tbf I personally prefer getting it directly so PR has no chance of fucking up what the technical guy wants to know

but it's not how it should be done lmao

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/BKorP55Aqvg

[ashen spindle]

kinda want to ping calder so he can go over to GB and slap them for having such a bad support website but I'll not do it since he's busy with bringing me my lekker 😛

ffs I noticed I made a mistake in the reply and cant fix it bc I cant reply again and need to open a new question or wait for them to reply

[cursive summit]

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-ASPM-Ready

[ashen spindle]

sometimes I wonder if you even read and know what's in the articles you post or if you just post whats on your feed

[cursive summit]

What's wrong now Quinty lad

[ashen spindle]

I mean the ASPM news doesn't quite seem relevant to anything or anyone here

[fair gull]

guys

have u heard

[ashen spindle]

no I don't hear I only smell

[fair gull]

i still cant believe it tbh

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVhSm_zgp0 not one but two keller interviews coming up soon-ish that's gonna be some nice content

[fair gull]

whos that

[ashen spindle]

one of the handful of microprocessor engineers that are somewhat public facing

lead designer for athlon, worked on zen, A4 at apple, the tesal self driving chips etc.

[fair gull]

so

hes rich

[ashen spindle]

well maybe, idk, but he's insanely smart and not just in a way that he is good at applying math

[fair gull]

i wish i was smort

[proper crystal]

Keller was not lead on Zen.

[ashen spindle]

you're right, lost a word there

[proper crystal]

He is a big picture guy. And at AMD, he was more focused on K12.

[fair gull]

he working on steam big picture?

damn son

[ashen spindle]

his short stay at intel he was supposedly one of the first/more vocal people to push for using external fabs for chips

[astral haven]

He was the driving force behind making it modular

[astral haven]

Not specifically external fabs, just using their packaging tech to scale

[ashen spindle]

perhaps, until like 10 more years or w/e that's all still under NDA so not like we get exact answers about that, also doesn't matter what exactly it was

[astral haven]

Not really?

[ashen spindle]

the nice thing is he's someone you can listen to on an interview and he knows how to answer and not just in a full on technical way

[astral haven]

Pretty sure he talked about it during the lec fridman interview

[ashen spindle]

mhh don't remember him mentioning that part, but I could be mistaken

[astral haven]

Yup but he's smart enough not to make technical mistakes while simplifying

[ashen spindle]

yea

[fickle ore]

you mean knowledgeable right, or are you implying ignorance equals unsmartiness?

[astral haven]

Explaining a concept requires intelligence much more than knowledge

I'm sure that most engineers are more "knowledgeable" than Keller

But the guy is smart

https://youtu.be/Nb2tebYAaOA

[reef tundra]

Intelligence is more related to the ability to absorb, use and mutate new knowledge/information.

[astral haven]

Yup

And keller is one of those people constantly making those "obvious in hindsight" design suggestions

[reef tundra]

Typically it is related to culture. Outside people tend to realise odd behaviour or traditions.

[astral haven]

Guy has been a cpu designer for a while tho

And for the high level overview he gave the same advice every time

[reef tundra]

More in the sense that each company/job has their own culture.

[proper crystal]

Not just CPU - Tesla was mostly Ai and SoC work. And now he is at Tenstorrent.

[astral haven]

Make all the parts individually replaceable and do some improvement to each of them

Cpu from the top level definition

An ai "cpu" is just a tensor cpu as opposed to a vector cpu (gpu) or scalar cpu (normal cpu)

[reef tundra]

Cpu computes

[proper crystal]

Eh... there are a lot of ways to skin that cat.

Some are just matrix, some do dataflow-like, some are many core, some are a massive VLIW engine...

[astral haven]

🤷 vliw and matrix are both vector not tensor

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/math-meme-math-is-math-meme-mr-incredible-the-incredibles-the-incredibles2-gif-20591317

[cursive summit]

Math is meth

[reef tundra]

meth is yes

[thick elk]

BTW so it seems the narrative about jim keller had family issues that prompted him to stop.
Instead of him not getting anything done and leaving because of that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVhSm_zgp0&lc=UgzQxB26pRNatSYUsFF4AaABAg.9NDEM-TLeUR9NDFLF4maQk

[ashen spindle]

wut, where does that come from

the fact it's for familiy reasons is known for months

[thick elk]

I really didn't follow it much, just from early rumors / narrative about it.

[astral haven]

Like we knew that 3 days before the official announcement lol

[thick elk]

Thing with family reasons or time with the family is that it's often used as a way for noone to lose face.
So just because it is true in some cases does not mean it's always the case.

[astral haven]

🤨

[ashen spindle]

sure if it was some management person getting removed for shit, but I don't see that applying here when part of it is publicly known and it's not like either side would really care if it was ending on bad terms tbh

[astral haven]

Keller was trying to retire beforehand lol

The guy just keeps getting scooped up before he can lol

[zenith sonnet]

Ya don't have a nose

[young pecan]

@misty saffron I mine on 3070s with an average rate of 62.5MH/s and I plan on getting 3080s and 3090s, I expect the 3080s to have a rate of around 100MH/s.

[reef patrol]

Phew... verbal interview for Com Sci done with.

It... could have gone slightly better 😄

In other news. Oeuf

[ashen spindle]

yup, an neither do it wrong per se

thanks intel specs

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

Jesus

How you get your monies worth

If it was like triple return or double fair enough

[ashen spindle]

by not using SSDs or not using QLC ssds

[reef patrol]

I for one can't wait for computer hardware to be traded exclusively in back alleys in a few years 😄

[ashen spindle]

there are options out there that have insane high TBW

but chia is just another shit coin that happend to get some more PR, nothing new really

[pale sigil]

Time to get another nvme soon

[halcyon moss]

so... youre saying just use a 512GB ramdisk?

[ashen spindle]

nope because you'd need even more bc it needs to unpack etc.

and not even faster than ssds really 😛

der8auer tested it

[reef tundra]

But ram doesnt wear out like ssd do

[ashen spindle]

but you can get ssds with much higher endurance without having to run epyc/threadripper to have enough RAM slots

[reef tundra]

Not as high as ram is expected to endure tho. If they dont fail prematurely, they can read write as much as you like. Provided your psu doesnt kill it

[ashen spindle]

yeah but still not worth it as TCO is so much higher compared to replacing ssds

its not worth it unless you do HDD farms for the most part anyway and I hope it just slowly dies off

[reef tundra]

initially it might seem somewhat better until the fact it shreds through storage devices.

[halcyon moss]

about $2 an hour on aws for 512gb of ram

but yeah.. thats without the mining hardware

[reef tundra]

Plus you would most likely be banned for doing that

[ashen spindle]

idk if it was AWS but roman also checked some cloud provider, wasn't worth he figured out

which is good imo

less options to waste stuff for making waste

[reef tundra]

This is even worse as GPUs dont experience much wear, given temps were kept in check. HDDs and SSDs wear out and if youre lucky it gets dumped to some 3rd world country to be dismantled and recycled

[wheat plume]

But....
I have this already installed

Did they remove support?!

[umbral knot]

ye sadly you have to get the new one

[wheat plume]

the new one?

[zenith locust]

Has anyone fiddle with the idea to use the wooting analog functionalities on Lightroom or Premiere to control the editing sliders with some kind of granularity?

[reef patrol]

I'd be absolutely unsurprised if Adobe's software only allows specific hardware to work with it licenses and all 😄

But no - Not to my knowledge.

[timid chasm]

Microsoft Knob 😂

Is that what you call a person who is diehard windows fan? A Microsoft Knob?

I'll see myself out

Those do look fun to use though, for real

[zenith locust]

do u actually need a surface to use it?

[timid chasm]

Can I use 2 to turn a surface into an etch a sketch?

you're lying to me...

[zenith locust]

mmm. nice. didn't knew about it. So you can use it just on top of the table as a normal editing knob

that's cool

[timid chasm]

you're not kinda https://inthehand.com/2016/11/11/building-an-etch-a-sketch-with-surface-dial/

[crisp granite]

@cursive summit

how is your mining going?

[reef tundra]

He is mining some gold vein right now

huge one

[crisp granite]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dogecoin-mining-gpu-shibe-gif-20328067

[cursive summit]

Oi

[crisp granite]

damn

not bad

[cursive summit]

For just a single 300$ card

That's pretty lit

[crisp granite]

yeah

[cursive summit]

Well 350$

[crisp granite]

if I can squeeze $500 USD a month out of my RTX 3070...I'm gonna be quite happy

[cursive summit]

Imagine paying yourself off in a month

That's kinda sick

[reef tundra]

Just have to hope when the coin crashes you are able to cash out first

[cursive summit]

I'll cash out asap

Dunno how though

Prolly will look up some reputable marketplaces

[reef tundra]

Minimum of 1000$ and 2 years

[crisp granite]

meh, $1000 USD, that's a few months of mining

[ashen spindle]

You’re forgetting something important transaction fees

[reef tundra]

And the coin is designed to crash 2 years after its introduced

[ashen spindle]

And the transaction cost is quite often more than just a couple gwei that’s why eth is not gonna be the longterm coin it wants to be

[reef tundra]

Oficially, any

[cursive summit]

What are "taxes"?

Oh

[reef tundra]

Our country has specific tax exemption for of the table work. tho. Under some level

[cursive summit]

I didn't know that

Jokes aside, I looked it up

Up to 2500 euros yearly income is untaxable

Above that 15%

[reef tundra]

If you cant explain how you got the money for something you still get caught

[ashen spindle]

Did you at least check what transaction fees you will have with your setup? Or are you gonna try to cash out 50€ with a 40€ cost

[reef tundra]

Any sane tax system would already have that inherently

Its income afterall

[reef patrol]

That's the thing about new tech.

Law always slow to catch up.

[reef tundra]

Eh, unexplainable wealth would make the tax agency charge you with fraud or claim it was criminally earned money and all the assets be seized.

[cursive summit]

Hm

[ashen spindle]

It’s probably the most audited one yea

[reef tundra]

They are a established cryptotrading platform

[ashen spindle]

So was Mt Gox until it suddenly had to close and all assets were lost