🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

huh

you mean am5?

mhh sounds not likely

I mean we've had skylake for what, 6 years now?

so a new cpu that actually does bring ipc increase after 2 years is still "faster"

[zenith sonnet]

So, they just don't care enough

Major reasons seems to be cost or convenience

[ashen spindle]

if that's your pc, saying 2 years is a long time before new hardware sounds a bit weird

plenty in stock here, price is another question

at least cpus are more or less stable now

[cursive summit]

Poor man's card

[ashen spindle]

smart man's card, perfect for mining and afterwards you remove cooler and watercool

[cursive summit]

Oh and yeah that's the cheapest one

[wheat plume]

Why's it's small and pointy?

[cursive summit]

Cause it will stab and kill you when you least expect it to

GladOS tactics

[wheat plume]

Xd

[ashen spindle]

..because its a picture with no scale

[pale sigil]

WHAT

CANT HEAR YOU OVER THAT VIDEO

[reef patrol]

Turn off text to speech and use your eyes, Frodo.

[ashen spindle]

use the ring to power rtx voice frodo

[pale sigil]

xD

[shadow minnow]

Looking for pwm fans with possibility of being silent at smallest rpm but also high performance at high rpm. And also good look, preferably RGB. Currently looking at Corsair ml120 but I wish I could turn off the LEDs on that thing sometimes even though they look great (mainly why I want RGB)
Any recommendations?

[cursive summit]

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Zen-3-Scheduler-Model-LLVM

[shadow minnow]

They look good apart from the max cfm and static pressure tbh

[proper crystal]

Arctic makes top tier fans across the stack.

[ashen spindle]

get a better cpu and you need less fans

[wheat plume]

Snapchat now has dark theme on iOS

Coming Soon™️ on Android

AKA never, cause this is snapchat we talking about

[pale sigil]

did spotify just update

yes it did

lol

Was so confused then

[shadow minnow]

Just tried it, it’s not the best tbh. Although still better than light mode imo

[wheat plume]

Yes xd

[wheat plume]

English (Workman)
? wot

[crimson wigeon]

https://workmanlayout.org/ ?

[wheat plume]

It looks so trippy

qdrwbjfup

Underscore on T, wtf and N
?!

[young pecan]

Why?

Why does this exist? For what purpose? And for who?

[wheat plume]

seems to be designed purely for programmers who code a lot

[shadow minnow]

Finally have all of the watercooling parts ordered PogChamp.

[wheat plume]

TIL you can have a wallpaper per monitor on Windows

[halcyon moss]

double the weeb!

[wheat plume]

:P yes

[crisp granite]

and need access to shortcuts for windows as well

since some alternative layouts throw that to the wind

hm

workman does look kinda interesting

holy crap

the workman layout install includes a synapse 3 file for the layout

wut

[cursive summit]

Workman?

Fuck's a workman

Why not workwoman

[ashen spindle]

there's literally a link if you would bother scrolling up half a page...

[ashen spindle]

hey at least I got en email they escalated my issue to some higher up at square enix so maybe its going somewhere now

[umbral knot]

Discord just pulled an epic gamer move

After denying microsoft when they were talking about buying they made a partnership with playstation

[young pecan]

Lmfao

Like Sony will do much good here. Should just fly solo.

[crisp granite]

welp

[ashen spindle]

partnership is quite a big difference from being sold to a company

[umbral knot]

yeah but now xbox won't be able to do anything with them

[crimson wigeon]

They already did enough...

Rich presence integration pepelaugh that's the important shit

[young pecan]

shrugs What can Sony really bring to the table here?

They don’t even have a realistic PC presence, so the most I see is PlayStation Discord integration.

[reef patrol]

Which is a pretty big thing.

[shadow minnow]

Really need to get a dGPU. Actually apart from pcie riser now last part of my pc I am missing, since watercooling is on its way

[young pecan]

I mean... kinda.

Effect wise? Sure.

But it’s literally porting discord to the PS store.

I give them credit for finally doing it if they do, but it’s not what I’d really call the most monumentally difficult of tasks.

Maybe we could get some rich presence and crossplay stuff? That’d be nice.

@shadow minnow Just... buy a 3070 or something and mine litecoin/Eth off hours.

[ashen spindle]

he wants a specific model

[shadow minnow]

^ that’s one of the main issues

[crisp granite]

wut

in this market

[young pecan]

Why not just custom cool it, then?

[ashen spindle]

he is

[crisp granite]

you just get what you have access to

[young pecan]

Seriously, it’ll be cheaper and better.

[crimson wigeon]

It's because crossplay is pretty nifty, but communicating with the console people is pretty tricky since they're gonna have to use the Discord mobile app or some shit

[young pecan]

Grab any old card, probably MSI or something, and smack a water block on there.

[shadow minnow]

Have some reasons to go for specific model

[ashen spindle]

yeah he wants to overpay for them to pre-apply the waterblock he can use

[crisp granite]

oh

[ashen spindle]

so its needs be that one model

[young pecan]

...

Lmao ok.

[crisp granite]

is this the assus EKWB card?

[young pecan]

Gigabyte if I recall.

[crisp granite]

or one of the gibbabite cards

[shadow minnow]

It’s not overpriced for the model, and main reason is 3 HDMIs

[crisp granite]

dude

[young pecan]

Just use a KVM splitter with DisplayPort like a big brain?

[ashen spindle]

yeah ok, about 200 extra for just applying the waterblock is not overpriced aight

[crisp granite]

think about it

water block, 100-150

and they save at least 150 on the heatsink

[shadow minnow]

Show me aorus rtx 3080 xtreme 200$ cheaper than waterforce wb version

[crisp granite]

and probably more on packaging since it's smaller

[young pecan]

Nobody buys the extreme versions because that is retarded?

It’s literally idiot tax.

[ashen spindle]

I can show you any 3080 that is cheaper and you just use what fits there and it does the same

[shadow minnow]

Does it have 3 HDMIs though?

[young pecan]

Doesn’t need 3 HDMI.

Use a KVM splitter.

[crisp granite]

idk, I bought the highest end MSI RTX 3070 just because it was available

[young pecan]

Split DisplayPort, which is faster, into HDMI.

[shadow minnow]

DP 1.4 does not support 4k 120 10bpc without compression

[shadow minnow]

It is slower, that’s the issue

HDMI 2.1 is faster than DP 2.4

[crisp granite]

it's not idiot tax if you just snagged what you could

but if you want one specific model rn

[young pecan]

If you willingly buy the more expensive version because ‘eXtReME FaStER’ it’s defo the idiot tax.

[crisp granite]

[young pecan]

Otherwise you’re right. :P

[crisp granite]

fair enough

[shadow minnow]

The thing is that I am planning this build for years, so want the specific model

[young pecan]

[crisp granite]

but for me, it was $140 more than I originally planned to spend, or no GPU at all

[young pecan]

So, why do you need 3 of the high grade HDMIs?

[shadow minnow]

I am not buying it for that reason too. Look of integrated waterblock and 3HDMIs are the main reasons

[ashen spindle]

ok but it will make literally 0 difference in performance or looks if you just use a different card with your own waterblock

[crisp granite]

I swear, all RTX 3000 cards have at least 3 HDMI ports

[young pecan]

And more cards have the HDMI requirement.

So...

[shadow minnow]

No if that was true I would go for FE

[crisp granite]

my bad

[young pecan]

Also that card can’t run any real content at 4K 144Hz.

[shadow minnow]

The FE looks really good but just one HDMI

[crisp granite]

display port

ffs

[young pecan]

Not powerful enough.

And if you need 3 of them? Planning 12k?! Lmfao.

Maybe with a 3090 on roids.

[crisp granite]

maybe some kind of triple display setup?

[young pecan]

Yeh.

[shadow minnow]

Really would not care that much but been planning this loop for long and will not be upgrading for long so wanna go for the specific model because of looks, HDMI…

[crisp granite]

or a monitor that requires mulitple cables to drive?

[young pecan]

Bruh, those monitors are either 8k or 4k 240Hz and that GPU can’t drive either of them.

[ashen spindle]

you literally can't be planning this build for long since the cards don't even exist for half a year...

[shadow minnow]

But I knew it will very likely exist, since it did for last gen GPUs

[young pecan]

Again, @shadow minnow, what even do you need the 3 high grade HDMI for?

[ashen spindle]

last gen also had usb c so making a decision based on ports when that is the easiest to change

[crisp granite]

lol

Virtual link

that shit

"yes, it's a standard"

that no one follows

[shadow minnow]

The decision was also based on look. Although sadly the new gen does not look as good as the last one did.

[young pecan]

You’re already doing a stupid move with that. ALWAYS form from function with something this expensive.

Never form over function.

Huge mistake.

[ashen spindle]

you're barking up the wrong tree for that advice

[crisp granite]

tbh

I was gonna go for form originally, with a sleek and compact FE card

but you know...having nearly 2 kilos of heatsink is kinda pog

[young pecan]

Well you do. Form from function. Priority on function but make it pretty.

Not like you can’t do it.

I remember my first dumbass PC.

Wanted super good multi loop for different components with carefully balanced internal pressure for minimal maintenance.

Y’know what’s better than that?

[crisp granite]

a few kilos of heatsink and some fans

[young pecan]

https://www.umart.com.au/Noctua-NH-L9i-PWM-Chromax-Black-CPU-Cooler_53650G.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw4cOEBhDMARIsAA3XDRiHlQR-0WFCQyvJWlBqMYc1Ck6KmQT4sDiKPTMDlSejqV-lS3UtlOwaApfREALw_wcB Noctua. Noctua is.

Literally that cooler.

Matte black, can handle everything outside of HEDT or Intel 11000, quiet, doesn’t ever die.

[crisp granite]

I like it...but I want a tower cooler

[young pecan]

Literally used one on my 3950X at 4.4Ghz all core and it did not even remotely care.

[crisp granite]

D15 chromax

my dream cooler

[young pecan]

68c, literally tiny juggernaut.

Admittedly the fan was going kinda crazy.

But still.

[crisp granite]

that

[shadow minnow]

I was surprised that fans were not that loud with benchmarks on 11900k using just coolermaster 212

[young pecan]

Tower coolers are annoying.

[shadow minnow]

But won’t test that anymore since when the replacement mobo arrives ima most likely already have watercooling parts.

[young pecan]

Working on the ram and whatnot, overkill and most are heavy and obnoxious.

[crisp granite]

yeah, but an L9i, kinda iffy

[young pecan]

Little NH-L9i.

[ashen spindle]

go with the U12S, much easier to deal with bc it's not so massive

[shadow minnow]

^

[young pecan]

Ikas...

Shhh.

You’re doing custom loop, you have no ground to stand on calling shit annoying.

I’d know, I did the same.

[ashen spindle]

u12s, small enough to not be an issue when doing anything on ram etc

and still good noise/temps

[shadow minnow]

Yeah custom loop will take a lot of time and most likely be annoying but it will at the end hopefully look Pog

[young pecan]

Fun while it lasts, but my god custom loops are a massive pain in the ass.

Absolutely horrific.

[shadow minnow]

But even ordering the custom loop was so annoying

Had to order from 7 stores cause price and availability

[young pecan]

And wait until the day where you have to take apart a block because you’re an idiot and won’t take too much care to prevent contam.

[crisp granite]

oooo

that looks perfect

[young pecan]

Or the time where you’ll fuck up bleeding a loop once and have to spend 40 minutes pulling it apart to make the bubbles fuck off.

[shadow minnow]

Don’t think anything will be as bad as the ordering though. Also availability of thing on stock going to unknown right before I was planning to order sth

[young pecan]

You have no damn idea, lmfao.

[shadow minnow]

sounds bad, what to do to prevent that from happening

[young pecan]

Spend money on a top tier pump or don’t be a dumbass with your pump placement and tube routes.

[shadow minnow]

So D5 should not be an issue?

[young pecan]

shrugs Usually no.

D5 is fine.

Hardline or soft?

[shadow minnow]

Hardline. So it will be really annoying

[young pecan]

rolls eyes

Hardline sucks to work with.

Heat the tube slightly too much and it’s garbage.

Don’t and it’s garbage.

There’s maybe a 20c range of good temp and you better stay in that range for the entire bend and do it flawlessly on the first try or you’ll have a bad looking piece in the corner.

If you screw up? Start again.

[shadow minnow]

Was planning to go pump and reservoir separated before but then I just decided to go the simpler way since the new ek combo pump and reservoir units look imo pretty good and went for the 200mm one

[young pecan]

Also remember that any RGB reactive fluid will absolutely make screw ups more visible.

Any fluid in general makes it easier to see, refraction is a bitch like that.

[shadow minnow]

Yeah. Also the fact that one tube is gonna travel like 600mm with multiple bends before I get GPU since it’s front bottom to back top, there will be GPU in between later, but until that…

[young pecan]

Also better not mix metals or you face galvanic corrosion, and if you screw up and get a blockage in one of the blocks you have to take the whole loop apart, take the block apart, and spend an hour cleaning it before reassembling and being terrified that the gasket didn’t go in correctly and now it’s internally leaking on the GPU.

Open loop cooling is such a love hate relationship that it eclipses any other I’ve had.
Beautiful but actually nightmare if anything goes wrong.

And once you do it correctly once you’ll love it so very much until month 6 where the tubes start to get dyed and you need to either replace them or go with a different fluid/glass.

[shadow minnow]

If I really screw something up at least I have the ek leak tester thing ordered

[young pecan]

That’s not too useful.

Literally spend $5 on some demineralised water and just turn it on.

Barely conducts anything.

Paper towels.

[shadow minnow]

About fluids going to use ek cryofuel navy blue now, but also will try ek mystic fog, most likely after adding a GPU to the loop

[young pecan]

Never answered my question.

Why do you need 3 overkill HDMIs?

[shadow minnow]

Mostly 4K 144 10bpc monitor, with adding second in future, and also possibility of me using eARC receiver.

[young pecan]

You can’t even run one of those with an RTX 3080, at least not in any complex games.

That is to say you can reach that spec, but not perform at it’s best.

Mmmmm. Plus NVLink just isn’t a thing for games sadly.

Not like you can just scale performance up. :C

[last cave]

Looks nice but Noctua NH-U12A is better performance. Shame they don't have a Chroma version yet

[dire prawn]

On the 450w discussion it very much depends. RDR2 massive gains cyberpunk about 3fps.

[reef patrol]

Rebar is not for now games.

It's one of those things you have to design for from the base up to see proper improvements.

[dire prawn]

Was worth it on Horizon and RDR2.

But yeah in the future I'm sure it'll be great.

But it's off at driver level for those.

[reef patrol]

Personally I wish I had the choice. HP being lazy as all fuck as ever

[dire prawn]

This is news to me.

[reef patrol]

No BIOS yet.

[ashen spindle]

they say its off at driver level, not the case

[dire prawn]

Flash another brand.

[dire prawn]

Can you point me towards more info on this plz.

Interested to read more.

[ashen spindle]

uhh would have to search myself again

[reef patrol]

That's easy to say in a scenario where a dead card means no warranty and no replacements.

[dire prawn]

I'll have a read later.

[reef patrol]

And more importantly no one has tried it so far to piggyback off of

[dire prawn]

Are you on laptop?

[reef patrol]

Not quite.

[dire prawn]

Which bit is HP?

The card OEM?

[reef patrol]

Yep. HP branded ref card.

[dire prawn]

You've already done your warrenty with the block

[reef patrol]

Nope.

I did it by now having the entire pc.

[dire prawn]

Exactly

[reef patrol]

Free is free.

[dire prawn]

If your card is faulty flash stock bios.

If it's dead they can't scan the bios.

[reef patrol]

If it's dead... I have nowhere to RMA it.

So yeah.

[dire prawn]

Get it flashed then 😋

[zenith sonnet]

I thought rebar was for concrete

[reef patrol]

Again. Not flashing my card blindly since I have no warranty on it.

[dire prawn]

I thought sod warrenty and went shunt.

[reef patrol]

I've said twice now that doesn't void warranty.

[dire prawn]

It does with some. Not all.

[reef patrol]

Nope. We have this thing in the EU that ignores whatever the manufacturer says within two years.

[dire prawn]

Its no more or less risky than a bios flash imo.

In the US.

[hard thicket]

EU masterrace

bitches

[dire prawn]

Well Boris fucked that for me.

[hard thicket]

yikes

[dire prawn]

How do you prove a bios flash if the card is dead dead.

It's the same.

It's the the same.. But it's similar.

[hard thicket]

nah, the same way i once sent back a delided 9900k

they didn't know jackshit

the trick is not telling em lol

[dire prawn]

Now that is different.. Fair play for getting away with it.

[ashen spindle]

how is this so complicated, mansen is not worried about warranty or not, but that it could brick it and due to no warranty he could not get a replacement

[dire prawn]

I think people throw the warrenty thing around because they're scared of the unknown.

[reef patrol]

The trick is... Having warranty in the first place.

Removing the cooler and installing a block (correctly) doesn't void warranty here in the EU.

[dire prawn]

Thats a very solid point.

[hard thicket]

Customer is king

[reef patrol]

I don't have warranty cause I only have the GPU, not the PC it was sold in.

[dire prawn]

But the risk flashing a new bios to a reference board is very very low.

[reef patrol]

It's there.

[dire prawn]

But I'd totally understand not wanting to take that risk during these times.

[hard thicket]

you can fuck up the gpu even by playing around in msi afterburner

just you know

[dire prawn]

You can't!!!

Not in the same way that Mansen has concerns over.

If you fuck with msi the worst that happens is the card crashes.

[hard thicket]

tell that to my dead 3090

[dire prawn]

Go on then.

I'm intrigued now

Err wow

[dire prawn]

Come on spill. This has me so interested.

Did you mine 24/7 at 110c junction temp?

Did you run ar 1.1v 24/7?

I can't think of anything MSI could do to kill a card.

[zenith sonnet]

Guess that's why it was so cheap

[dire prawn]

Outside of human error.

[reef patrol]

I'd hardly call 1200€ cheap.

[dire prawn]

What cards in it Mansen?

[reef patrol]

It's a ref 3080.

[dire prawn]

Actually it doesn't matter these days. 1200 is a bargain for anything with a GPU in 🤣

[orchid maple]

asrock is pretty great I gotta admit.

[hard thicket]

no, but you can apply terribly high clock values which end up getting saved onto the card (don't ask me how that even happens) then you end up in an infinity boot loop due to instable clock values the card tries to apply on bootup. had that shit twice with zotac so far

[dire prawn]

I'm sorry that's not a thing.

Msi does not write anything to the card.

[hard thicket]

then go on, explain what else could've been the problem

that's what i've concluded from several hours of trail and error

[dire prawn]

Did it get into windows then crash?

I promise you it's not that.

[hard thicket]

to the point of even measuring VRM voltages

[dire prawn]

Did you boot to safe mode?

[hard thicket]

no straight up boot fail

[dire prawn]

Did you send the card back?

[hard thicket]

the mainboard vga led's lit up

[dire prawn]

You can only apply 1.1v max which is within spec.

[hard thicket]

doesn't explain dogshit

[dire prawn]

All you did was expose a fault early.

The card would have always died.

Thankfully I got mine for MSRP. Its already paid for itself.

Sorry tell a lie. One more month.

Put I haven't paid anything for it over my 2080ti thanks to mining.

[dire prawn]

It's like the early 2080ti's with memory issues. Overclocking showed the issue sooner but it was always going to die prematurely.

Ooof

The difficulty on eth is going up quite a lot now but you can mine $180 in just over a week on it.

So 10 weeks and you're in a good place if ETH holds.

Ah shame.

Which country are you in?

Well if US kept to themselves a bit more you wouldn't have to be. But that's not your fault and the damage is done now.

Same with our government.

[zenith sonnet]

Still cheaper than our power

[dire prawn]

It's renewable though which is great.

So a domino effect doesn't have its citizens scared of nukes?

It's literally a meme. Team America word police.

I can't remember what my rate is. Currently sitting at 0.07ph and using 527w for the whole household.

Hopefully the mining limiter holds and you stand a chance of getting a mining limited card and the scalpers don't grab them.

[misty saffron]

meanwhile me with my 0.05 usd per kwh

[misty saffron]

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/05/04/tile-ceo-on-competition-from-apple/

“we welcome competition”

weren’t they butthurt a week ago or so

[ashen spindle]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/new-spectre-attack-once-again-sends-intel-and-amd-scrambling-for-a-fix/

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-more-time-gif-4816107

[astral haven]

"Competition" https://youtu.be/qNAo0UdYF6g

[ashen spindle]

ah yes marques, the guy I got to know from seeing him tweet the 1 grand apple monitor stand is a good idea

[astral haven]

Good idea for apple not the customer lol

[ashen spindle]

ok but you can offer that and then have a normal stand as an option instead of a grand for a half functioning slab of metal?

I still fully disagree that that in any way makes a 1kusd stand, that can't do half the things a 100$ one can do, is a good deal

it being on track for apple doesn't make it any less stupidly overpriced

[neat oriole]

McLaren f1 has 3 seats actually

[shadow minnow]

Wondering, what will arrive sooner, LE or my mobo replacement?

[astral haven]

It's not vesa

It doesn't come with a vesa mount

[zenith sonnet]

Wonder if that has any implications at all any time soon
It's so specific and complicated to pull off

[astral haven]

What

It's literally a block of code

[zenith sonnet]

From what I read about it, it needs to be coded specifically to a processor's cache structure

[astral haven]

Yes

So like 1 block of code for zen, one for skylake

One for tiger, one for ice

And one for bulldozer apparently?

I also I suspect ice and tiger would act the same

Dang we don't have a full tigerlake architecture breakdown yet?

[zenith sonnet]

Bulldozer seems to not be affected

[astral haven]

Oh no willow cove has way wider cache

[young pecan]

What’s everyone’s home network like?

Custom? Out of box solution? Anyone done something weird?

[astral haven]

Google wifi for wifi and a router for everything wired

[young pecan]

Just changing to Ubiquiti everything now. :D

[astral haven]

Oh jeez

The edgerouters are nice I guess?

[young pecan]

Dream Machine Pro, PoE+ 16 port switch, USG 4, 3x3 AP.

[astral haven]

But besides that yikes

[young pecan]

Kinda.

If you don’t wanna fuck around with the config files you’re right.

But if you do config fuckaround you can get 90% of what an Edgerouter can do out of a USG 4.

Better for my network.

[astral haven]

Wow that's really expensive for a gigabit router lel

[young pecan]

Nope! :D

All of it was 50% off.

[astral haven]

Still double what I'd pay

[young pecan]

Couple hundred? Nah.

That’s a couple hundred AUD.

[astral haven]

It's well over 140 usd

[young pecan]

shrugs If I wanted price to performance I’d have gone SFP+ with pfSense.

This isn’t for extreme speeds, the reason I’m even making this is network requirements.

Ubiquiti happens to be really good for scalable solutions with the APs, with some config tweaking I can have port specific routing for my entire network, and they have not unreasonable VLAN/WAN functionality.

Yes, I very much could have gone with any Linux based solution and gotten easily 10x faster for my price, but now I can stick 70 things on the network and I’ll have actual diagnostics in one monitor if anything fucks up.

[astral haven]

Hmmmmmm

[young pecan]

Spending extra on the convenience of a single set of hardware that ‘just works’ is worth it to me.

[astral haven]

-_-

[young pecan]

Oh c’mon, you know it’s not the case with mixing random shit.

[astral haven]

Problem is the "just works"
And the amount of extra spending

[young pecan]

And when I’m going to have to manually start assigning static IPs to shit and changing PC specific ports per router, I’d at least like the software to not be in 7 different tabs.

Dude, I didn’t actually spend all that much.

Dream Machine Pro for literally $300 AUD.

Switch for 180.

[astral haven]

That's alot...

[young pecan]

PoE+ switch for 180 is pretty fuckin’ good, dude.

PoE isn’t exactly cheap for 16 ports if it’s not a jank mess.

[astral haven]

I got a really nice one for free lmao

[young pecan]

Must be nice.

[astral haven]

Just watch the classifieds

[young pecan]

Nobody was selling/giving away enterprise hardware near me at a decent price.

Well there was some Cisco stuff, but I’d rather rip my cock off than deal with Cisco on the daily.

[astral haven]

Check your local recycling centers

[astral haven]

Fair

[young pecan]

I did, man.

Nothing good around me.

There was a decent set of netgear 3 hours drive away, but that’s it. :/

Even then the Ubiquiti stuff is kinda just better for the price. I’ve had a Dream Machine before and it literally had 0 issues. Plug it into the old router and it adopted all config, replace the old router and nothing needed switching. Y’know how happy it made me that I didn’t need to walk 7 people through how to switch wifi??

[astral haven]

Ok that's neat

If you already were on ubiquiti I guess

[young pecan]

Was on some random system.

The ubiquiti stuff just picked up the OG stuff, every single setting, and every device in the house switched to the 'new' SSID.

Took maybe 5 minutes.

[ashen spindle]

huh looks like we have leaks from alder lakes engineering samples, seems like they work fine so I guess QS soon with leaks maybe? then we can get first performance numbers

[pale sigil]

@shadow minnow

iM nOt A sHeEp

[shadow minnow]

I’m not. I am fanboy but not a sheep, still criticize many things about Apple

[cursive summit]

Imagine being a fanboy of anything

Couldn't work anywhere with that kind of bias

[pale sigil]

Oh

TIL github previews stl files now

[shadow minnow]

I mean, would not say I am “fanboy” in that definition. Depends on exact interpretation of the word, but if I was fanboy to that extend, I would buy mac. And yet even though I prefer MacOS UI and am an Apple fan I am building a pc

[young pecan]

I mean...

Are you stupid enough to accept the Apple Tax on literally everything?

Including the software.

And every piece of hardware that isn't a core piece.

Especially wheels and stands.

[ashen spindle]

honestly you're just making it worse by constantly trying to defend yourself against it lmao "I'm not an apple shill, BUT..."

[young pecan]

^ That too.

[shadow minnow]

No. And always criticize the ram and ssd prices. Also the wheels.
Even though the stand imo is just real bad marketing and they should have rather increased the monitor price, from what people are saying the xdr monitor is not such a bad value

[young pecan]

Yesn't.

[shadow minnow]

Well, obviously there is some but. Because I don’t think I am an Apple fanboy just a fan does not mean I am not gonna defend some points.

[ashen spindle]

sure sure

[young pecan]

What about Apple and planned obsolescence, awful fixes, stupid design, extremely bad recycling efforts, bad repair efforts etc etc.

Not like they don't do those things.

[ashen spindle]

hey at least they do the most important R's : re-use and refurbish.. oh wait

[young pecan]

The fanboys never do know how to answer those questions. :L

Also the one where they stuck foam under CPUs in some Macbooks to keep them from falling out.

[fair gull]

i see a fellow man of culture

[fair gull]

more like 500aud

[young pecan]

Nah. 300 AUD.

[fair gull]

psure its 380usd already

[young pecan]

Sale.

[fair gull]

oh sale

[young pecan]

Was on clearance.

[fair gull]

sad i wouldnt go with a dmpro

just a sucker for complete modularity i guess

[wheat plume]

OH No, FIReFoX Is NOt CUrATeD, IT COuLd Be A SEcuRiTy RIsk

[ashen spindle]

lana making fun of linux

[wheat plume]

ElementaryOS, yes :')

They dont even have the file manager on the dock by default yet they have the to-do app there

wot m8

[rugged pelican]

priorities

[reef patrol]

FML - Was not expecting to be quizzed on X Y coordinate equations.

Not enjoying this entrance exam at all.

[ashen spindle]

entrance for what?

[reef patrol]

Comp Sci

[ashen spindle]

ah makes sense then

[reef patrol]

I mean - Yeah. Except they literally used the phrase "You shouldn't need any preparations, tools or books for this quiz" 😄

[ashen spindle]

hmm that would limit the options they can ask in that area a lot then xD

[reef patrol]

Caught me very off guard. Especially as they started out with those and finished off with super basic "See this grid of Excel numbers?" "Now take A2 and Add it to B3"

[ashen spindle]

hope they didn't expect you to solve dot product in your head for this lmao

[reef patrol]

Or "Here's a grid showing a lil robot and some items"
"Now move the robot using the fewest number of commands from "Move X in Y direction" and "Rotate X degrees" 😄

[wheat plume]

is this like the 6th PC he bricked?
He killed a waterblocked motherboard also, only like 10 of those boards existed

https://youtu.be/SXvmJTYeZ1w

[reef patrol]

He's such a damn klutz.

[wheat plume]

I have more faith in PC building in JayzTwoCents than him lel

[reef patrol]

He should be damn grateful NZXT is basically down the road, and he's very likeable.

[crisp granite]

:|

[wheat plume]

RIGHT?!

[ashen spindle]

ah, so on topic but quite a bit confusing for a entrance

[wheat plume]

oh, you bricked our Motherboard? have another one

[crisp granite]

man bricked a board worth more than my organs on the black market

[wheat plume]

^^

and a RTX 3060

and Ryzen 7

and a super rare waterblocked motherboard, they didnt have another one to send him so he had to get a different board

[reef patrol]

On the bright side he seems to be blowing up cheap components.

Not the boards, the actual components. So... minor repairs at the factory.

[ashen spindle]

yeah unlikely he actually is breaking something that makes replacing not possible

also I dont see a waterblocked board there

[wheat plume]

not in this video

[ashen spindle]

so the video is just him blowing a 2$ fuse and they have to fix it

got it

[wheat plume]

he killed the gpu too

[ashen spindle]

anyway gl on the result mansen

[wheat plume]

and cpu

[ashen spindle]

cpu maybe, gpu unlikely

[crisp granite]

GPU warranty is a full refund nowadays

so, if he did brick it

back to square one

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/gUF0aLzmOrc

[ashen spindle]

thanks but I dont care

[crisp granite]

wait, big tubers just get their parts from the manufacturers

:(

[wheat plume]

yeeppp

[crisp granite]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

bricking a board like that...

I would have actually cried

that would have been a thousand bucks down the drain, at least

[ashen spindle]

he bricked the bios.. replace chip, done, works again

[wheat plume]

Yeah, I wanna see the prices for these

[ashen spindle]

it's not actually dead

[ashen spindle]

while funny, not accurate

??????

Dear customer,

Thank you for emailing GIGABYTE.
We would like to help you with your technical inquiry.

Please provide some mopre details information so that we can study it further.

how about telling me what you want to know, I already listed the issue???

[crisp granite]

they forgot to say that it was an automated response

[ashen spindle]

nope

[crisp granite]

it's obvious, but always funny when that one company includes it

[ashen spindle]

it took time for the quesiton to be processed and then after a while I got it

if that's automated, worst system ever

[crisp granite]

if that's a human, completely bot-like

[zenith sonnet]

Brother needs a new board for my old 3700X

What's some top tier B550 boards for a reasonable price?

[ashen spindle]

an I cant even reply to this email, need to manually do it via their weird support website

[reef patrol]

Isn't this a classic customer support thing? They never READ the stated issue and ask for you to basically repeat yourself?

Hell even during ORDERING. I seem to recall both Dell and HP failing this simple litmus test in their secret shopper.

[ashen spindle]

fair enough

[crisp granite]

Hi there customer,
I have read your issue, but fuck you, repeat yourself.

[ashen spindle]

but also my ticket literally starts with "Bios corruption"

[reef patrol]

"Please have your order number and personal info ready"
Bitch please - I just spent 15 minutes typing that shit in... into a form you should have in yfron of you 😄

[wheat plume]

mopre details

[ashen spindle]

yup

[crisp granite]

yes

Quin

send mopre details

pls

[reef patrol]

Also - Phew. Entry exam is over.
First part was math and basic programming, second half was "communication" (aka. here's a scenario of you doing group work. Two of the participants suck and didn't deliver on time. Do you go ballistic?")

[zenith sonnet]

Anyone?

[wheat plume]

Im trying to pronounce that

I hate group work but I also love group work

[reef patrol]

I'm afraid to suggest any, since I always get voted down in favour of better ones 😄

[crisp granite]

I always hate group work

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/cleaning-mopping-gif-9360704

[crisp granite]

because that involves interacting with other humans

[crisp granite]

very nice

[reef patrol]

Saying that I'd look at something like the B550 Tomahawk or the Aorus Pro. Unless you can live with mATX then the B550M Aorus Pro.

[shadow minnow]

Well, it may just be pasted message from human. With discord support when I nearly lost my account first two times they send the same pasted message, it was human but pasted message. Luckily third time I got a normal response

[ashen spindle]

it literally has a spelling mistake in it..

[crisp granite]

people can misspell something in making the automated message

[wheat plume]

Oh lordy.......

[zenith sonnet]

Got an Aorus Elite v2 for my other brother (mainly because of features he wanted and budget)
Guess I'll look at those again

[ashen spindle]

some karen would point it out and complain about it more than about the actual issue

doubt that would stay for any long moment

also I can't even use formats, any spaces get deleted so its formatted like shit but they can answer normally

that must be so annoying to use

[shadow minnow]

Still, getting responses like that really sucks, had that happen few times. Provide more details Details about what exactly are missing?

[wheat plume]

Handbrake is just for video files? ;-;

how can I convert m4a to mp3?

[ashen spindle]

yout put that question in google and hit the first link

[wheat plume]

I used a converter website

[halcyon moss]

just use ffmpeg 😉

[wheat plume]

now I need to learn how to make an audio file louder using Audacity

[wheat plume]

I dont have it installed

[ashen spindle]

.. so you asked after you already did it?

[wheat plume]

no, I asked

then looked online and did it

[halcyon moss]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-face-palm-seriously-exasperated-gif-7304550

[wheat plume]

ah yes, my voiceover is comtemporary rock

idk wtf that artist name is

[shadow minnow]

Until I get an dGPU, is there a way to OC intel iGPU?

[reef patrol]

Intel XTU? I think can let you do it.

[ashen spindle]

^

[reef patrol]

It's basically like Ryzen Master but for Intel. Just a lot less polished and for Intel obviously.

I DEFINITELY recommend reading/watching some guides before doing anything. The training wheels are off. Don't kill your chip 😄

[ashen spindle]

also manual OC is still easier and guaranteed to be saved etc. provided you know what to do

[zenith sonnet]

Honestly, I like AMD's way

What little you can manually do is usually not worth it

Outside of tuning memory

Which is much more straightforward

[shadow minnow]

I prefer manual OC tbh

[reef patrol]

I seem to recall getting a pretty decent OC on my 2200/2400G's back in the day

With the stock cooler at that.

[chrome estuary]

Back in the day?

[reef patrol]

On the iGPU* cause the OC was specifically to show how long those have gone when there's no GPU.

[chrome estuary]

For god sakes Mansen... The damn thing came out like two years ago?

[reef patrol]

That's an eternity in PC hardware 😄

Tested it just over 3 years ago.

[chrome estuary]

Back in the day is like the core 2 duo

Not the fucking Ryzen platform

[crisp granite]

actually

[chrome estuary]

Goodness god man

[reef patrol]

Smol

[crisp granite]

considering just how fast PC parts move and evolve

[chrome estuary]

I kinda wish my PC was that small sometimes

[crisp granite]

4 years is a fucking eternity

[chrome estuary]

I know but still

[zenith sonnet]

NH-U12S?
Or is there a better price/perf options from Noctua?

[reef patrol]

I mean I've switched CPU and GPU almost yearly since I started as a hardware reviewer 😄

[crisp granite]

is that the super tiny inwin case, the chopin or something?

[reef patrol]

Yep

Went from a 3770K and a GTX 760(TI?) to a Ryzen 1700 and a 1080. And then it kind of spiraled.

8700K, 9900K, 5600X
2080, 3080 xD

[crisp granite]

christ

that might be me when PC parts become available at reasonable prices again

:|

[ashen spindle]

that's one duck sized PC

[pale sigil]

Ugh

[crisp granite]

SFF PC hate coming in 3

2

1

[pale sigil]

(before was spare old hardware I can't remember) FX 6300/HD6850 > FX8350/270x > I5 6600K/970 > 6600K/1070 > I7 7700K 1070 > I7 7700k 1070TI > Ryzen 5600x/3080

[ashen spindle]

0

[pale sigil]

I love sfc

[crisp granite]

woah cal

[pale sigil]

My dream build is itx

[crisp granite]

same

but I can't shell out $600 CAD for a case from Sweden

at least, not yet

[pale sigil]

I wanted to go itx this time around

But sfx max whattage is still poo

[reef patrol]

ITX is great...until you have to pay for it... and cool it 😄

[reef patrol]

750W not enough for ya? xD

[pale sigil]

750w wasn't avail anywhere and I had issues with corsair

[ashen spindle]

give me your 3080 so you can make an easier itx build

[crisp granite]

[reef patrol]

The SF750 is the most highly regarded ITX PSU on the market 😄

[pale sigil]

Idc

[crisp granite]

still waiting for that silverstone 1000 watt SFF PSU to be widely available

[pale sigil]

Had my truer issues

Just because it's the only choice doesn't make it good

[crisp granite]

ffs

and right when I was gonna finally bite the bullet and buy a ghost S1, louqe makes a cool new case

[reef patrol]

I see your Loque and raise you the XTIA.

[crisp granite]

and the Raw S1 is 3290 kr

and I was prepared to spend 2500 kr on a case

fuck me

[crisp granite]

open air isn't my style

I know I'm gonna stick my fingers into fan blades

and probably break something

enclosed is best

[ashen spindle]

Make it open air and just put it in a case

[crisp granite]

[old marlin]

slap a big ass air cooler on that CPU and I'm in

also case badge on the fan hub

[crisp granite]

that noctua passive cooler that's gonna come out soon?

[old marlin]

uhhh

forgot what Q it was announced for

[crisp granite]

just a huge hunk of metal

[old marlin]

I think 3

[crisp granite]

no fans needed

[old marlin]

yeye

actually Q2

lol

so within the next 2 months

black NH-U12A is gonna be somewhat interesting as well

for a lot of people

hopefully it will get a price cut by then

[crisp granite]

hm

proshop has louqe parts

[ashen spindle]

What’s the date for computex? Might be revealed there

[crisp granite]

at slightly more reasonable prices

still €250 for a ghost S1

[crimson wigeon]

Desk fan

[crisp granite]

:|

[old marlin]

early june

1.-5.

[ashen spindle]

So timing would work

And iirc they First showed it at computex too

[shadow minnow]

They pushed back black a12x25s again?

[zenith sonnet]

Doesn't matter, I've already been waiting forever

Also, fan controller?
How will it compare to the Octo?

[shadow minnow]

For me it kinda does. If it was out would have considered it, but just gone for DRGB ek vardars

[zenith sonnet]

My PC is without fans, 1.5 years after I built it

[shadow minnow]

My pc is without GPU. But also without mobo till I get replacement

[pale sigil]

Did you get a refund

[shadow minnow]

Does not work like that, they are most likely gonna check the issue, what was it caused by… and then ima get a replacement. Also refund would suck since the price on that site increased, and it’s more expensive everywhere else

[pale sigil]

Depends, if it wasn't for the price issue I'd judt send it back via 14 day lol vs rma

If its an issue I'd rather get it replaced for sure

[ashen spindle]

if its broken and you send it back via 14 days and dont mention that, they will not like that lol

[pale sigil]

Law is the law xD

[reef patrol]

Regardless. They have a right to actually receive the product for inspection before offering a refund.

[thorn latch]

i had that with my cpu and they took 3 months

thought it was lost annd bought a new one

[pale sigil]

Still broken

So regardless I wouldn't worry

Usually within the first 30 days they will refund faulty items

[reef patrol]

You're still going to have to wait xD

[ashen spindle]

yea not sure where you were going with that

[pale sigil]

Idk about you

But most places refund as soon as it arrives at their place here

As soon as irs scanned

[reef patrol]

No in the EU 😄

We aren't Amazon.

A 14 day return? Sometimes.
An RMA? Hell no 😄

[pale sigil]

Oh

Rma depends xD

Rarely ever is that

Thought you meant general return as that's what I was on about

[ashen spindle]

no this was obviously about bexins board

[reef patrol]

[crisp granite]

hi there

quit crossposting

you've received an answer in general already

[cursive summit]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/amds-upcoming-flagship-gpus-should-be-3x-faster-than-rx-6900xt/

Kinda doubt?

But depends in which way

RTX 2080 -> 3080 apparently was 3x in TFLOP perf

But even then not fully or something and the perf in tasks didn't translate to 3x better perf

[pale sigil]

I always doubt amd GPUs

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/go-fuck-yourself-jake-manley-jack-morton-the-order-fuck-off-gif-18029530

[zenith sonnet]

The new RE8 seems to like AMD GPUs

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/resident-evil-8-village-benchmark-test-performance/6.html

Also, RT seems to be absolutely not worth it

[cursive summit]

Those are some nice results

[zenith sonnet]

Kills FPS for a few moderately better reflections

But looks worse that traditional lighting in other places

[reef patrol]

It's not a twitch shooter though.

[zenith sonnet]

So?

High FPS and good visual fidelity is something more games need

I don't understand the grey filter the games uses, though

Makes anything that's supposed to be dark... not dark?

[reef patrol]

So. That's it. You get prettier visuals at the cost of FPS but still retain that 60fps

[zenith sonnet]

Black becomes grey?

[zenith sonnet]

What 60 FPS?

I have a 144Hz monitor and it seems like this game would hit just about 100 FPS on my Radeon VII.

I think there's even room for improvement

And it wouldn't even hit 60 FPS in UHD

[reef patrol]

Good for you.

[zenith sonnet]

Is it? What point are you trying to make, I don't understand?

[reef patrol]

That RT is not invalid for everyone just because YOU have a card that can't run it.

[zenith sonnet]

And if it's anything like RE7, it most definitely requires you to hit fast moving targets

[zenith sonnet]

Have you even looked at the screenshots and comparisons??
I have NEVER said that it is invalid, but it definitely offers no benefit in this game, it just tanks FPS

[reef patrol]

I disagree.

[young pecan]

Friendly reminder that doubling monitor refresh rate in framerate gives you noticeably better input latency.

So, not as good matching framerate to refresh rate. There's a valid reason for overkilling GPU performance to monitor rates.

Couldn't tell you if you reap that same reward from using V-Sync or G-Sync, tho.

[reef patrol]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/resident-evil-village-is-one-of-the-best-ray-tracing-games-yet

To quote RPS with comparison shots. RT is valid.

[zenith sonnet]

Minor differences at best, I don't see it

TPU has actual side-by-side comparisons, and it really is nothing

To quote W1zzard:

Unfortunately, I found the raytracing implementation in Resident Evil not impressive at all as it barely makes any visual difference—check my comparison screenshots. The first screenshot is the best RT scene I found in the whole game, and while you might be able to spot little differences side-by-side for the others, these are impossible to notice in gameplay. I also feel RT sometimes looks worse than pure rasterization—the artists did too good a job improving the world with "RT off." I suspect "RT on" was added very late in the development cycle, possibly rushed, so neither assets nor maps were optimized for the new technology.

[reef patrol]

Then that is on you. I can see a clear difference. 😄

Obviously if you see no gain, there's no need to consider it. Still doesn't invalidate it for everyone else.

[pale sigil]

Consider me impressed

With the amd fps for re8

[cursive summit]

Like, from what I saw as long as AMD is properly implemented

They will more often than not beat out Nvidia

Just most devs don't really have time for that?

[pale sigil]

I kinda have to agree with xean

The differences are incredibly small

Especially outside

And I have a 3080

So you can't use your "You're using amd so just cos you can't use it doesn't mean it's bad for everyone else"

[pale sigil]

I don't think it's as simple at that

[zenith sonnet]

It's obviously not just me. But aside from the fact that it's up for discussion whether or not it even looks better in the first place, you know how I can tell that RT just isn't worth it?
They could have achieved much more investing that same FPS budget into higher polygon counts, better textures and better quality effects, and better shadows.

[pale sigil]

Eh I disagree with you on that

They aren't sacrificing poly etc for RT

[zenith sonnet]

I never said that?

[pale sigil]

OK

Wording

Fair enough

[zenith sonnet]

They are almost halving your FPS for a little bit of lighting differences

[pale sigil]

I meant they wouldn't have invested more time into higher poly etc

[zenith sonnet]

When they could have easily doubled polygon count through the game for that

With better textures and effects

[reef patrol]

I'm not the one that's going "RT is irrelevant for everyone cause -i- can't see it"

[pale sigil]

I doubt it

[reef patrol]

And I agree with Pleasant. It doesn't work like that. At all 😄

[pale sigil]

I mean, mansen, a majority of people seem to agree that nothing has justified RTing

Except maybe control

Im all fkr RTing

But people ere pretty vocal on how shit RTing is

[zenith sonnet]

Neither am I, and I'm not saying that there aren't games where it's good, but you don't have to defend every RT implementation just because your spent way more on your GPU either

[reef patrol]

Ah - And now we're making assumptions xD

[zenith sonnet]

You are making the assumptions.

[reef patrol]

Yeah... no xD

1. Couldn't care less about RE. I despise that genre.
2. I can see clear differences in comparison shots and clips. Not my problem you can't and are using it as some kind of argument against RT as a concept.
3. I don't exactly consider RT a silver bullet. Only have it enabled in one game, and that's because I can afford to take the FPS hit and not notice.

[pale sigil]

I mean

there's a difference

That's for sure

[zenith sonnet]

1. Same here, I only care about the tech used in the game
2. There are differences. In some RT looks a bit better (reflections or water, mostly), in others it looks clearly much worse (less atmospheric, or even missing lighting on objects)
3. There is almost always something else you can do with the same FPS budget to achieve more visual fidelity than RT does for the same FPS budget

In case of RE8, one of the major critiques seems be low poly counts in indoor areas, as you would expect from a game released 10 years ago. There's a starting point

[young pecan]

Everyone even having this argument without the best point is displaying some truly beautiful idiocy.

Raytracing is path tracing, and it works on everything that works on vector logic.

Audio is the other massive one, better atmospheric audio is a HUGE game changer if done correctly.

It's something you can only kinda do correctly without hardware path tracing.

'Cause doing it without purpose built hardware is slow af.

So yeah, RT good.

[zenith sonnet]

We've had that purpose built hardware for a long time

Remember True Audio?

Went no-where, because you can't do marketing with good sound

[reef patrol]

Pretty sure Soundblaster managed that for a decade and a half actually.

[young pecan]

Soundblaster did, yeah, but no games really used it.

Their thing was more general quality rather than game specific feature sets, not in the way path tracing is.

[reef patrol]

They practically owned the PC platform with their Soundblaster hardware xD

Wasn't till every motherboard and daughterboard received Realtek esque soundchips that didn't have so much noise, you could hear the ocean whether you wanted to or not.

[young pecan]

Mmmm. On the point of PC stuff, I just got a 3900X for 500 AUD, which ain't bad, and now I need a board for it.

Ideas?

Thonking Strix X560-F, maybe. Might go for something a little more costly if it has some really good onboard sound so I don't need to use a sound card.

[zenith sonnet]

I'd go with a good B550 board, maybe some Aorus, whatever fits your feature need?

I don't think there's any with insufficient VRMs?

Of course you can also go X570, if you want something more high end, and don't care so much about price

[reef patrol]

Make sure your board is pre-flashed. Or has USB flashback.

Such a pain to have to return a board.

[zenith sonnet]

Zen 2 should work on anything 500 series out of the box

[pale sigil]

No

Not true

A bunch of b550 and x570s still require flashing

Before using a 5000 ryzen

[reef patrol]

This isn't a 5000 series CPU though 😄

[zenith sonnet]

3900
5000 series
???

[pale sigil]

Sorry

[reef patrol]

My point is - Some boards have ceased support for 3000 CPUs. So you might need to downflash it. Or upflash it to re-add support.

This is a very ASRock thing 😄

[pale sigil]

I miss read your message

I thought your 500 series was a typo for some reason

[zenith sonnet]

That I didn't know

[pale sigil]

[reef patrol]

You can only fit a certain number of CPUs in the BIOS. And sometimes they decide to cut less popular SKUs out when adding new CPUs.

Alternative being a larger BIOS chip.

[zenith sonnet]

Oh yeah, saving 3c per motherboard to fit a smaller BIOS chip. Gotta save every penny you can

[reef patrol]

[young pecan]

Yeah, no no, I am not going Gigabyte.

No thx.

I'd rather use Cisco networking equipment for my home lab.

As depressing as that statement is. :L

Still, looking at $400 AUD on a board, maybe $500 if it's worth.

[zenith sonnet]

I thought we were talking motherboards, not networking equipment?

Anyway, if not Gigabyte, you might wanna look at AsRock, I guess

[young pecan]

The point is I'd rather experience the cock torture called Cisco than willingly use the double edged sword called Gigabyte.

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

I thought I was the only one who hated gigabyte

[young pecan]

The only people who like Gigabyte are those who have never had to work with a decent amount of their shit.

A few components? You're in the clear.

Any more than 10? Luck pushing.

[hard thicket]

most obnoxious bios in existence

[young pecan]

Also broken BIOS that somehow just has hex values in some places for reasons I guess.

Guy I got the 3900X from had a Gigabyte board and it was fucked.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/OHlZXyhG3eQ

[zenith sonnet]

They do have issues with their current BIOS

But at least the hardware is solid

AsRock is a little better as far as BIOS is concerned

But outside the Taichi boards Gigabyte wins as far as raw hardware is concerned

That's at least what I remember

[hard thicket]

from hardware they are even better than asus at the High end

all i wish for are EVGA boards for amd

then i can die in peace

[ashen spindle]

the b550 aorus pro has excellent hardware that I can only tell people to stay away from until they fix it corrupting my bios when I play Nier 🙂

black screen that needs a hard reset is not very fun

[hard thicket]

yikes

[ashen spindle]

and the first reply to my ticket was: "please tell us what hapepnd"

[hard thicket]

like zotac when it comes to GPU's

[young pecan]

Zotac makes fairly good GPUs in my experience.

Weird how little the PCBs can be.

[hard thicket]

they do

but their support is purely garbage

[young pecan]

Ah.

[ashen spindle]

if the stuff works you dont need support lol

breaking a bios everytime I enter a cutscene sadly doesn't mean its working

[young pecan]

That is a fair point and I’ve never actually heard of any Zotac cards dying out of the blue.

Usually they’ll spit errors like nuts if they’re dying, give you plenty of advance.

[hard thicket]

that's a rare case anyway, and can happen to any other manufacturer

[young pecan]

Never heard of any of the Amp Extreme cards dying, actually...

[ashen spindle]

did find a reddit thread about gpus not being recognised on gigabyte boards so I am afraid I found a way to trigger that and they wont fix it soon lmao

[hard thicket]

amp extremes are their flagship cards anyway

if there are issues, those are the ones with the least amount

[young pecan]

But you hear about WAY more problems with Kingpin cards.

[hard thicket]

had the 2080ti amp extreme, served me well

[young pecan]

For whatever reason the Amps are never among that list.

[hard thicket]

kingpin ???

[young pecan]

EVGA.

[hard thicket]

yeah i know its evga

[ashen spindle]

tbf they are also much more pushed to the limit than any zotac card

[young pecan]

The Amps and Kingpins are the two best series on the entire market bar none.

The HOF cards come the closest otherwise.

[hard thicket]

but who buys kingpin cards without any OC purposes lol

it's like throwing money out the window

[crisp granite]

someone who wants to waste money on a hybrid card

[young pecan]

Given that it’s intended design is LN2...

[hard thicket]

this ^

[young pecan]

I’d hope only the extreme overclockers buy em.

[crisp granite]

I saw a build with a 2080ti kingpin

stock card

[hard thicket]

they are quite hard to get anyway

[crisp granite]

bought for gaming

[young pecan]

Why even?

Why?

[crisp granite]

[young pecan]

WHY?

[crisp granite]

idk

people are special

[hard thicket]

limited quantity on top of the gpu shortage lol

haven't seen many

[young pecan]

KInGpIn iS fAsTeR!1!1!1

-idiot online

[hard thicket]

the same reason of getting a EVGA dark series mainboard

[crisp granite]

it's really for bragging rights unless you don't OC

[hard thicket]

and slapping a towercooler on it

[young pecan]

Pls no. All I want is a Dark Series.

[hard thicket]

me to.

[young pecan]

I just want it for the rotated design.

[hard thicket]

i dream of it

shames that ITS NOT FUCKING AMD

[young pecan]

Idc for the extreme stuff, gimmie rotated board.

[hard thicket]

gosh

that pisses me off

[young pecan]

PLS EVGA, JUST MAKE AMD THINGS.

PLS!

[hard thicket]

i really wonder why they don't do it

contracts with intel ?

[young pecan]

It has to be by choice.

Not a chance they’d stay with Intel, even with legal issues.

Not with AMD so popular that the CPUs are all gone.

Clearly more CPU supply is needed. When there is they’d be right up on top for priority boards.

EVGA literally makes the best boards of damn near everyone anyway.

[hard thicket]

i mean there was plenty of supply back when the 3000 series was the hype

[young pecan]

Mmm.

[hard thicket]

one reason i can think of is, the amd cpu's are not really great when it comes to OC'ing

compared to intel

and since the dark series boards are somewhat exclusively made for extreme overclocking

[zenith sonnet]

Is it the BIOS causing those issues? Sounds weird, why?

[ashen spindle]

yup just saw that video, excited for when we get reports of his fab tours

hopefully some footage that isn't boring press material too

[hard thicket]

i remember when people were bitching about how 2nm "isn't physically possible"

coming from people doing their engineering degree on fucking twitter.

[ashen spindle]

technically they aren't wrong as even this 2nm is just a marketing number

[hard thicket]

that's true, same as amd's 7nm architecture being not fully 7nm and such

way too many variables

[ashen spindle]

every number since finFET which was aorund 22nm iirc, the numbers stopped meaning anything

[hard thicket]

agreed, i even expect ARM based architectures to outperform 86 by the next 2-3 years

[ashen spindle]

they already do and at the same time won't for at least like 10 more years

depends on what area

[hard thicket]

on a efficiency point of view yeah

[ashen spindle]

nah there are just too many optimisations done already from both hardware and software side

even if ARM has a better way of doing hardware (assumption here for discussions sake, don't care if its right or wrong), they don't just suddenly have more or better devs than intel and amd combined

[hard thicket]

fair enough, let's see what nvidia pulls out their sleeves

[ashen spindle]

nvidia also might not even get arm as countries liek the UK are blocking it now

[hard thicket]

thought they announced that they plan to do server grade cpu's

[ashen spindle]

yeah with even more misleading marketing than on gpu side lmao

[hard thicket]

big yikes

[astral haven]

They are doing server cpus

But that's not the important part

They are trying to get rid of cpus as much as possible in the supercomputer with bluefield

[pale sigil]

still have this issue xD

[astral haven]

Hwinfo64

[pale sigil]

well ye ik

but i cant control my cpu stuff from that

[astral haven]

Set settings in bios

[ashen spindle]

bios for cpu

[pale sigil]

effort

[ashen spindle]

master/xtu are nice but not guaranteed always

[pale sigil]

ohhh

[astral haven]

🤷 personally prefer stability

Xtu is very annoying

[pale sigil]

right

its cos i updated my bios

[astral haven]

Only software i trust is turboVcore

But it's rather dangerous

[astral haven]

Also amd with their bad voltage reporting is super annoying

"I get 5ghz at 1.4v"
No you don't, your cpu would die in a week at 1.4v

[pale sigil]

i mean

does it matter

it runs very good

cos i didn't know it existed

[ashen spindle]

ah yes, the most overhyped amd related software

also still no reply from AMD about my issue, wonder if the system broke

[pale sigil]

AyyyyMD