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#🔌│tech
umbral knot
young pecan
What store?
crisp granite
canada computers
crisp granite
not that I know of
and even then
they tend to be in the smaller cities of canada
which is annoying, because the canada computers near me are always picked clean
and hm
memory express may have some
and they do ship within canada
no clue as to international tho
wheat plume
my code is exactly 69 lines long
crisp granite
canada computers ran out
estimated arrival: late may-early june
I mean
it was single digits of cards, anyway
but they finally sold
@young pecan, OEM system, harvest GPU and sell on the rest of the system?
young pecan
And jesus fuck man, how much storage do you think I have for the systems?!?
crisp granite
you could order 10 PCs and have them on your doorstep by friday
young pecan
Not enough for 10 PCs. 
crisp granite
f
ashen spindle
I can look at mindfactories weekly drops of rtx cards and buy them for you if you pay me 
young pecan
We’d have to work out a safe exchange, but I’d be up for it.
2 grand a card is way too much.
crisp granite
buying a scalped card locally would be cheaper and faster, no?
young pecan
Faster yes.
fickle ore
export taxes and tariffs lol
crisp granite
exactly what I was thinking, Dag
fickle ore
eu -> aus alone prob costs a fuckton
crisp granite
no way you're getting that GPU without a few hundred in customs, duties and all that shite
plus actual shipping costs
umbral knot
if you need a card I can send you a geforce4 4800 ti
fickle ore
I can loan out my 1060 for about 600€
umbral knot
ti 4800*
young pecan
Hmm.
crisp granite
if you need to borrow a GPU, I got an old Voodoo2 card you could borrow?
young pecan
Anyone know a decent PSU to grab for mining?
crisp granite
hm
young pecan
Need 2 to power 12 cards. 6 each.
crisp granite
those 1000+ watt corsair PSUs
young pecan
Only need 850W or so.
crisp granite
yeah, but most 850 watt PSUs don't have the connectors for 6 gpus each
young pecan
Exactly the issue.
young pecan
Silverstone TX-850 has them, but I’d be waiting a month at minimum for it.
wheat plume
o hek
how does he have these seperators surrounding the system tray?
I wish Plasma worke better with nvidia drivers ;-;
thats why I have gnome on my computer instead
some issue with compositor, some of my games crash after about an hour
which doesnt happen on gnome
I tried, it led to screen tearing which I cannot stand
so I used the nvidia settings to enable vsync
🤔
yeah, I did that, I told the compositor settings in Plasma to allow apps to disable compositing
In fullscreen
still crashed :/ idk why
yeah< I guess so
I want compositing enabled though, I use some desktop effects and they dont work without it
true
I found a pckage in the AUR kwin-lowlatency :')
or soemthing similar named
I installed it, it did seem to be faster in terms of reacting to mouse movement in game
didnt fix my crashing issue though
It also happens on windows...really bad tearing
I also just force vsync and it solves that problem
no, first they get real laggy
Then the game freezes and after a few seconds, the desktop also freezes
I once left it for 10 minutes to see if it would unfreeze and no good
how tho, i have 16gb
hmm
Reminds me of that guy from the game server who said his Wooting two was causing a memory leak in the game
If it was the keyboard in my case, it would happen on gnome too
same hardware, nothing changed
ashen spindle
well that guy wasn't fully wrong as his game had issues when keyboard + controller were detected iirc
wheat plume
True, it only happened when he was using an analog profile I think
but, my color scheme is an analog profile, but I dont actively use the keys to emulate a controller on it
young pecan
Asus: heavy breathing
proper crystal
The tweets were out earlier.
ashen spindle
What do you want to achieve
wheat plume
cooler system temps...
ashen spindle
How bad are they?
wheat plume
they can reach mid 80C
proper crystal
GPU is also silicon.
wheat plume
I also know
But won't running at that temp reduce the performance?
If it stays that hot
Or the lifespan
proper crystal
Unless you are hitting the thermal limit, no. And mid 80s is OK.
Lifespan, what you might be worried about is thermal cycling, so it depends on how long your average gaming session is and how many you have in a week... even then, unless you are extremely unlucky, you'll be fine for a long, long time.
wheat plume
Hmm
A couple of hours at a time
At least 3 times a week
ashen spindle
- if you care about gpu temps... why are you considering a different cpu cooler
wheat plume
Im also worried about cpu temps
proper crystal
Yeah then you're fine in mid 80s.
wheat plume
Hmm.....
Ok then
Would it be a bad idea to have both fans blowing air out of the case? To reduce dust intake
ashen spindle
give me a second to telepathically know what you case looks like and if there are any other places air goes in
wheat plume
Ok...
Front mesh panel with stock fan pulling air in
Both side panels are solid, no air in or out
Top is filled with hexagonal holes but no fan
Back panel has a stock fan blowing air out
ashen spindle
you can do it, but would make temps much worse
proper crystal
Would it be a bad idea to have both fans blowing air out of the case? To reduce ...
Generally, to reduce dust buildup, you want more fans pulling air in than you want to pull out.
wheat plume
That... makes no sense?
reef patrol
To reduce dust...you'll want filters 😄
wheat plume
And not have carpet all over the floor :/
proper crystal
Having negative pressure inside the case draws in air through all gaps etc.
Positive pressure prevents dust from outside from getting in, as air is blown out of the case through those gaps.
It's the same principle behind making a car painting booth - you want positive pressure inside so crap won't get in through the gaps.
wheat plume
Oh... Air pressure
Got it
proper crystal
Positive pressure will only work if you filter the intake fans.
But if you can do that, it's the best.
wheat plume
The mesh panel acts as the filter
But it's not doing so well
proper crystal
Negative is pretty much always bad. Not only are you gonna pull in air - and dust - through places you cannot slap a filter on, but you also put in less cold air, so it is also worse for cooling.
Neutral air pressure is, IMO, a myth. You can have the same amount of air pulled in as you have pushed out, but locally, you will have regions of positive and regions of negative in different places in your case.
So in the end, even without a filter or with a bad filter on the intake, positive is the best option, I think.
wheat plume
So maybe if I got an extra exhaust fan so I'd have two and only one intake fan?
Exhaust on back panel and intake on front
Oh wait
Two fans in
One out?
proper crystal
Yeah. I personally have three in, two out.
proper crystal
You want to filter the intake but... some cases have air intake (without fan) on the bottom, and it is usually with filter.
You want to remove that filter, because this bottom intake will be an "out-take" in a positive pressure situation, so having a filter on it prevents the dust from leaving the case.
wheat plume
Oh
I think my PSU fan is over that filter
proper crystal
Huh. Can you only filter that portion?
Or just leave the filter on, but clean it regularly.
wheat plume
Yes
Other than the space for the PSU fan, the bottom panel is solid
wheat plume
Neat neat
Is compressed air a good way to clean a computer?
I'm aware that the dust will blow out everywhere so I need to do it outside preferably
reef tundra
Should be fine as long as you keep the fans from spinning
reef patrol
Yeah keep a finger on the fans before blowing air on em
crisp granite
no
umbral knot
if you use an air compressor for it then makebsure it's not too strong
proper crystal
Not sure if it is a good way, but I do use it 🙂
If your current PC is really bad, then see if the compressed air works, if not you can was the fan blades with water and some soap.
But if you clean regularly - as in, somewhere between "completely clean" and "caked with dust" - compressed air takes care of most of it.
crisp granite
stick your fingers in the fans while they spin
umbral knot
if you use an air compressor for it then makebsure it's not too strong
definitely not from personal experience
crisp granite
:)
proper crystal
I just use canned air.
reef tundra
or disconnect them if you are paranoid enough to do that. But holding them in place and you can even blow in between the blades
wheat plume
I built the computer in September
And I haven't cleaned it since
The fans are heavily caked bit there is just a thin layer ontop of the graphics card and disk drive
crisp granite
I built the computer in September
And I haven't cleaned it since
The fans are h...
LANA
clean your PC
often
crisp granite
I built my PC in november iirc, cleaned it every 4-ish weeks
wheat plume
clean your PC
I don't have anything to clean it with
I was going to order compressed air with the fans
reef tundra
Canned air is really bad for the environment if memory serves right. Usually made with the banned refrigerant CFC.
ashen spindle
Just clean your room more lol. I clean my pc maybe twice a year
reef patrol
Canned air is really bad for the environment if memory serves right. Usually mad...
Yeah it's all gasses. No actual air.
But... a bike tire compressor is loud, large and overkill for a single PC 😄
ashen spindle
see a regular vaccum I'd be a bit more carefull with bc of static electricity
then again im not sure if that is a concern in reverse mode
wheat plume
Do antistatic dusters exist?
reef patrol
You can buy these.
Basically tiny compressors ala. canned air.
I would DEFINITELY look up reviews first though.
reef tundra
If you plug into the mains earth the computer should have near to 0 static forces
reef patrol
(Google Datavac to get started)
proper crystal
They're not anti-static, they are non-static, no? 😛
ashen spindle
meh sure
reef tundra
They are mostly used to mitigate the fire hazard from the shocks causing some powder or gas to ignite. Computer parts themselves should be properly connected with mains earth so should be mostly unaffected by static shocks. Aslong as the mains earth has been plugged in
But who are you going to call then?
ashen spindle
The Verge!
reef tundra
Single channel ram is the real shit. That is how a genius solves the issue of too fast memory
ashen spindle
yet the name is shit and implies it's a virus or hacking group 
reef tundra
crisp granite
https://youtu.be/KH69WsTzgU0
I mean
this guy is actually a dunce
I managed to make my first build really clean compared to him
and this according to him, wasn't his first build
ashen spindle
it's not really his fault though
there should've been some sort of editorial reviewing it before pushing it out
crisp granite
yeah
ashen spindle
and you can see after like half way the quality drops in terms of video production etc.
crisp granite
but aaaaaaaaaaa
ashen spindle
as if he had like 20 minutes left to publish it
crisp granite
I'm sorry
there's too much wrong with the actual recording
and you can tell, the important shit was fixed in-between clips
hopefully
some of it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ashen spindle
yeah but that again was mostly once it was already over with the good production part
aka, no time left for changes and no editorial oversight
crisp granite
the camera angles were shit as well
ashen spindle
I see this as 95% percent the verges fault 5% his
crisp granite
the entire chain of making, editing and publishing was a failure
I do blame him for not having the knowledge and at the same time, showing the n00bs how it's done
but I mainly blame the verge for letting him
ashen spindle
but once again that is something editorial stuff should point out/redo/change etc.
and its not like verge is small company that doesnt have enough staff for that
also wasn't really at a deadline for any launch so any rush was not justified with good reasons
crisp granite
yeah
it wasn't like a GPU review where you have a few days to do all your benchmarks and publish
crisp granite
this genuinely could have been done over the course of a month or two, a project of secondary importance
ashen spindle
yeah saw that video a while back
wheat plume
wot? I no haz RGB ram
ashen spindle
the only thing I disagree on is that the guy got weirdly defensive even against valid criticism after the video was up
crisp granite
yeah
ashen spindle
like that part is on him handling it bad, but that's aftermath and not really relevant to the content
reef patrol
the only thing I disagree on is that the guy got weirdly defensive even against ...
Mhmm
crisp granite
also, ad hominems, not cool
he attacked people and not the criticism; but people also attacked him, and not his content
but racist messages and death threats are so out of line
every PC building content creator already ironed out the issues with the video
that should have been enough
astral haven
Yea intel should have done 32 atom cores with a pair of fast cores instead of bsing it out with 8 fast cores
radiant surge
I feel like this would be an appropriate question for the tech...what do you recommend for a good 1440P monitor with high refresh rate ? And would playing game at 1440P resolution on a 4K monitor be any different than playing it on a native 1440P monitor ?
Thank you guys...
astral haven
Non native is worse than native unless it's dlss
And the best 1440p monitor is the samsung g7
It's spensive but it's the best
ashen spindle
I'd recommed looking at https://www.youtube.com/hardwareunboxednow latest monitor roundup to find what fits your pricerange
radiant surge
Oh i was thinking about it, so people say g7 is much better than the rest cuz it has a VA panel with 240hz compared to the others which are usually IPS 144Hz ?
So would VA be better with colors compared to an IPS ?
radiant surge
I'd recommed looking at https://www.youtube.com/hardwareunboxednow latest monito...
Aw thank you bro
astral haven
It's better perceived colors to a similar technical color ips
It looks better but on paper the colors are the same
radiant surge
Damn i was thinking about getting a 4K monitor for work and when gaming i will just lower the resolution to 2K...guess we can’t have everything :(((
radiant surge
It looks better but on paper the colors are the same
Yes one thing i experience first hand is that VA monitor has much better contrast, but i dunno about HDR color accuracy and stuffs like that, im a total noob when people speak about that lol
astral haven
Accuracy depends on the monitor
So read reviews like rtings.com
The g7 isn't fantastic oob but all you need to change is the gamma and its nearly perfect
radiant surge
The g7 isn't fantastic oob but all you need to change is the gamma and its nearl...
Oh so i have to change the gamma ? Does it have an app where i can change it or does it have a set perimeter which i need to set it at ? Thank you bro im noting everythting down lol
cursive summit
And the best 1440p monitor is the samsung g7
I'd rather suggest the Gigabyte g27q or g32qc
radiant surge
For a broke ass college boi like me this is a considerable investment so i been reading and researching a lot lol
astral haven
Watch the review from hwunboxed they say what settings to choose
It's in the monitor
astral haven
Yea no thanks
radiant surge
True tho, when i was going through reddit i saw lots of people suggesting g7, LG 850, lg83 and asus tuf gaming
cursive summit
Gigabyte monitors are fast VAs 
astral haven
Well no they arent
cursive summit
But they are
ashen spindle
they aren't
radiant surge
Uh guys...so would a jump from 144hz to 240hz be that significant and distinguishable compared to 60hz to 144hz ?
cursive summit
radiant surge
I only been using 60hz my whole life and i saw a monitor with 144hz gaming once
I was completely blown away
Everything was like in slow motion and smoother :))) gives you tons of time to react
cursive summit
You lads are smoking some hard ass crack
If that isn't a good VA panel then idk what is
radiant surge
...meanwhile my noobass would have no idea about the scaling and stuffs lmaooo
The samsung g7 has a 240hz refreshrate tho...that i know
cursive summit
It's priced well for what you get
radiant surge
And it uses quantum led ? O.o sounds big but it might be a marketing trick
astral haven
240hz isn't what makes it speedy
Qled
Quantum dot enhancement film over lcd
It's not a filter technically
cursive summit
As a Samsung qled panel user, I don't really give a fuck about it
radiant surge
Mhm and for gigabyte people seem to praise the M27Q a lot more and it receives good rting reviews
cursive summit
I'd rather have my OLED over a qled
ashen spindle
the gigabyte VA panels have quite a big ammount of black smearing
cursive summit
Mhm and for gigabyte people seem to praise the M27Q a lot more and it receives g...
A lot of people made videos on those panels, so just watch a YT video with a demonstration instead of listening to any of us
radiant surge
Lmaooo i have been a mac sheep all my life and i just got myself a prebuilt rigs..then i fell into rabbit hole for keyboards, monitors and sounds lmaooo
This discord is so quality ive been receiving really good suggestions
ashen spindle
I had the gigabyte VA monitor bc I thought I'd upgrade
couldn't stand the black smearing over my old IPS
cursive summit
Isn't that just a VA thing though
radiant surge
Black smearing ? Do you mean that IPS panels can’t accurate illustrate blacks ?
Like it has much lower contrast compared to VA
ashen spindle
not on the newer samsung models hence they are so good
no on regular Va panels you have a lot of black smearing, that means dark objects "smear" when you move the camera
radiant surge
Quantum dot enhancement film over lcd
Yes it was what i read, quantum dot...
ashen spindle
so the pixels aren't switching as fast with darker colors
radiant surge
Oh and guys since yall are here, what is your opinion about curve vs flat monitor ?
cursive summit
According to reddit professionals, sarcasm intended, overwhelming majority of VA's have problems with black smearing except for Odyssey G7
ashen spindle
yes that's literally the reason why the G7 is so good
cursive summit
Oh and guys since yall are here, what is your opinion about curve vs flat monito...
I went curved for the gimmick, with no real experience, and I love it
I can't go back
ashen spindle
bc it doesnt have that issue
radiant surge
yes that's literally the reason why the G7 is so good
Yes a lot of people on reddit seem to like it a lot too. I think their second favorite monitor is the LG g850 or g83
cursive summit
Tbh I got the Samsung 24" curved
And the curve is really useful, all of the screen faces directly towards me
I really dig it
radiant surge
And the curve is really useful, all of the screen faces directly towards me
Does it reduce strain on your eyes over long period time of using it ?
radiant surge
Damn...so bunch of flat monitors set up as a curved surface ? That would be wayyyy over my budget lmaooo
cursive summit
If that's what you are asking
radiant surge
Lolol ever since i fell into these tech rabbit hole, i find myself going to reddit more than regular tech review websites lol
ashen spindle
who wants to guess at what time the AMD financiall call started?
cursive summit
In regards to Jiggybyte's panel dark smearing
cursive summit
My advice would be, go to a local shop and just try out panels
Like, even my local shops have panels just on display
radiant surge
In regards to Jiggybyte's panel dark smearing
I have no idea what it is, i will just save it and come back to look at it after i research enough to understand what that means lol
cursive summit
Go to a shop and just decide for yourself, what kind of panels are good for you
Just don't really buy cheap panels
And don't buy 1080p
I hate 1080p after getting 4K
radiant surge
No sir, my pc would slap my cheeks for that
radiant surge
The reason im shying away from 4K is because gaming is a big factor in my usage tbh
radiant surge
But i dont understand why there are 27in with 1080
cursive summit
Anything >23" should be 1440p, I think
cursive summit
But i dont understand why there are 27in with 1080
Relic of an older era I think
radiant surge
The macbook im using has a PPI of 220...i just did a quick google
So 4K or 2K on a 27in wouldnt matter much anymore. What matters is refresh rate isuppose
Lol admittedly i went for a pc because i have finally got the fund to continue my gaming dream lol
cursive summit
Man no wonder I hate this panel
It's this one btw https://displaysolutions.samsung.com/monitor/detail/1418/C24RG5
radiant surge
Windows suck with high dpi ? O.o so more pixels aren’t always equal better quality ? O.O
cursive summit
I'm planning on making this panel secondary and just slapping a 1440p monitor below it as a main
radiant surge
It's this one btw https://displaysolutions.samsung.com/monitor/detail/1418/C24RG...
Lolol i saw it and immediately looked for the next monitor :)))
cursive summit
Rip RX 5700 trying to run 1440p games
cursive summit
What PC do you even got
radiant surge
A prebuilt one from nzxt o.O amd ryzen 5 3600 with base 6800 xt
cursive summit
6800XT??
radiant surge
16gb of 3600mhz speed and
cursive summit
Shit I want one of those
radiant surge
B450 aorus pro
Yea i was gonna build myself a pc...and we all know what happened...
cursive summit
Yeah you can run 4K with that no problem
radiant surge
So i went to nzxt and they literally only had 6800xt stock for only 2 days
Plus they were selling the 6800 xt at $800
cursive summit
Just get an LG CX and play 4K OLED man
cursive summit
LG CX is quite literally, THE best gaming display
radiant surge
Lg cx is the 55in tv ? Bruh my eyes would explode
Lmfaoooooooo
I cant sit that close to a tv bro
cursive summit
Lg cx is the 55in tv ? Bruh my eyes would explode
They have a smaller version
47" or something
It's a really good TV though, I got one
radiant surge
Nah bruh pls... :((( even 34in curve was a bit big to me,
Like i would position my monitor (or tv? ) in a desk, close to me so bigger tvs are a no go
cursive summit
Just play in VR then
radiant surge
Wait what is the refresh rate for the cx ?
cursive summit
120Hz
But it's the good kind of 120Hz
Like, it's really smooth
No ghosting, nothing
radiant surge
Lmao no for real, when you talk about a TV, its color, vibrant display like everythinf is much better than a mere monitor
But...
It is a tv...
radiant surge
Damn my man is tempting me to go the tv road
cursive summit
Like as a CX owner, it comes highly recommended
radiant surge
Came asking for a monitor, ended up buying a tv lolol
cursive summit
Cause it's actually sick?
I dig VR but my brain can't handle it
I got tunnel vision for hours afterwards
Still got the Quest 2 though
radiant surge
Yea but for real, i was looking into 4K gaming with a 6800xt
But that is still impossible if you wanna play at high refresh rate
cursive summit
Yea but for real, i was looking into 4K gaming with a 6800xt
I mean your card was technically made for 4K
radiant surge
Like next year when new games come out i might not be able to keep a constant 60fps
Wait really ?
cursive summit
Yes you will be able to, cause AMD's DLSS thingy
reef patrol
6800K can play 4K just fine... but at 60fps with some settings reduced 😄
radiant surge
AMD’s DLSS is a lot worst than nvidia i remember...
cursive summit
Man where is the super resolution
radiant surge
Yea so sad i had to trade up gaming at 4K resolution with a smoother experience (2K at high refresh rate)
cursive summit
AMD’s DLSS is a lot worst than nvidia i remember...
Yeah you have no way of knowing since it's not even released
Nobody knows where it is
radiant surge
so it cant techincally be worse yet
Wait what run that by me again ?
Yooooo
Ayooooo
radiant surge
I thought they were testing raytracing and dlss between the 6800xt and 3080
And 3080 won because of dlss
cursive summit
Raytracing yeah is out, but not super resolution
radiant surge
Sooo dlss is not something next gen that the next navi card can only get like ?
ashen spindle
dlss is something only for nvidia
amd has their own thing that is not yet released
radiant surge
Oh so when AMD releases their own version of Dlss my 6800xt would still be eligible to use that ?
cursive summit
Yes
reef patrol
Should be, yes.
radiant surge
Ooohhh
reef patrol
DLSS is 2000 series or newer only. I imagine AMD might lock out something like the... Vega56 and such?
Gotta get people to buy dem cards.
radiant surge
Bruh i gave up cuz i thought better ray tracing and dlss was something i could only get on a next next gen of AMD cards
Im technologically ignorant sorry guys lol
Lol my man just gonna leave it there
Bruh but tbh im so so so glad i got a 6800xt at $800 for real
I have a micro center 35 mins away, and people line up there 4,5 hours before open time just to try their luck at gpu stock
I dunno if they can ever get their cards at msrp price, let along whether they can get it or not @@
So freaking crazy
So i went for the prebuilt one...:((( people gotta shit on me but thats the easier way (and arguably cheaper) to get a gpu nowadays
cursive summit
Tbh AMD's weird, sometimes they release shit like the SAM which is really good
And Nvidia can't match it
radiant surge
SAM ?
cursive summit
Then they try to release something to catch up to Nvidia and suck massive cock
reef patrol
Then they try to release something to catch up to Nvidia and suck massive cock
Admittedly it is an uphill battle to match something that's two years of release ahead of you, and under active development 😄
ashen spindle
SAM is just ReBar with some tweaks that's nothing amd came up with....
astral haven
Sam is rebar it just helps more on amd cause of the garbo drivers
radiant surge
Mhm i thought this current gen of amd gpus receive lots of praise from many
cursive summit
SAM's FPS improvements are far too large compared to the Nvidia's implementation to just be a flick of a switch on the bios
ashen spindle
yes they are good, I have a 6800 myself
radiant surge
High fiveree
radiant surge
High five*
ashen spindle
or so they said and then that's still not the case
radiant surge
Lmaooo i thought about building a pc last year, i assumed i would just get a 6900xt just cuz 69 sounds nice to me 😦 how wrong i have been
Thats when the price hiked up to $2000 lol
cursive summit
Lmaooo i thought about building a pc last year, i assumed i would just get a 690...
How old are you bud?
radiant surge
How old are you bud? <:lul:576475280303063096>
23 bro
cursive summit
Jesus
cursive summit
Still into "funny" numbers?
astral haven
Can never get too old to be childish
radiant surge
G5, although i hated the look of it
How long was it
Lmao hearing its name brings back memory
Damn i feel old
Although i doubt i would belong to the younger portion of this discord
But still actually knowing g5 :)))
It is just old
Heck wut
Well they are still a lot more technologically knowledgeable:))) perfect place for me to come around asking stuffs
ashen spindle
almost nobody here is below 18 aside from the people in the fortnite channel lol
radiant surge
But lol gaming on a 55in TV with a PC :)))
Yea i imagine wooting keyboards are like something older folks would be interested in
astral haven
Older folks nah
radiant surge
Younger children will tend to go for big brand names
Well it was me lmaooo before i fell into the keebs rabit hole
radiant surge
And well, it works
In crubs’ point of view it is “not a tv, just a monitor that does tv thing”
cursive summit
It is though
cursive summit
About 1.5m-2m away
radiant surge
Bruh im placing it on my desk
cursive summit
It's right behind my bed so I wake up, and play games or just YT on it
Best shit ever
Gaming in bed
radiant surge
Inwould be sitting like 100 cm away from my monitor
Cuz it would be placed on a desk
So anything too big would harass my eyes :((((
radiant surge
But it is true that if you talk color and display tech, i dont think monitor can match Tvs
Unless you go for some crazy expensive monitors
cursive summit
OLED, that is
Monitors are starting to finally employ OLEDs, but at high prices iirc
radiant surge
I saw some $1200 4K monitors...hell nah man
cursive summit
Kinda weird, but I keep hearing things about MicroLED was it?
astral haven
Microled is either lcd but brighter and true black
Or it's oled but waaaaay more durable and expensive
The wall is the second
The iPad is the first
ashen spindle
now that's some nice financial numbers 
cursive summit
So, revenue down
Income down
Net revenue, up
Man you'd think their servers would do better than that
ashen spindle
are we reading the same slide?
cursive summit
proper crystal
now that's some nice financial numbers <a:AGmoney:578759869071491097>
It is also comparing to Q1 2020, when chip sales diped because of uncertainty about covid (then from Q2 on, it bounced back with a vengeance)
ashen spindle
yes but also Q1 has also been a weak quarter for almost every year just due to natural cadence
cursive summit
So, either I'm reading this completely wrong, or AMD's loss has skyrocketed 10x
Which is not a good sign?
astral haven
Operating loss down 69%
reef patrol
So, either I'm reading this completely wrong, or AMD's loss has skyrocketed 10x
Insurance - Aka. the government can 😆
astral haven
They went from -26 to + 277
ashen spindle
intel: "market is digesting thats why server sales are down"
amd: "server sales are better than ever"
astral haven
Server sales aren't down for intel
They have been up every single quarter since 2016?
Amd has sold every chip they make which is why they aren't eating into intels sales
ashen spindle
proper crystal
yes but also Q1 has also been a weak quarter for almost every year just due to n...
Yep, the comparison with Q4 2020 is not as flashy, but way more impressive.
ashen spindle
it's all around just a good look for them
bit better than I expected despite all the craze
proper crystal
intel: "market is digesting thats why server sales are down"
That's the same thing that happened with Q4 2020 results. Verbatim.
ashen spindle
Twitter
astral haven
Yea I have no idea what that is but intel is making 60b a quarter and that is higher than it was in previous quarters
cursive summit
AMD's been doing bits with their R&D though
In like 5 years they caught up real fast
proper crystal
Yea I have no idea what that is but intel is making 60b a quarter and that is hi...
That was DCG for Q1 2021.
proper crystal
And both Intel's "cloud is digesting" and AMD's "server better than ever" are true.
But Intel is defending marketshare. And AMD + ARM (Ampere Altra, Graviton) are attacking Intel's positions.
Therefore Intel is susceptible to the cycles, while AMD is not.
It's also because, since Zen2, whatever server stuff AMD made sold. As in, immediately.
proper crystal
Yea that's margin not revenue
It is margin. Revenue was also down.
ashen spindle
hope you kept it
astral haven
Wow odd
Odd how intel made so much more on client group that overall revenue was up?
ashen spindle
Twitter
astral haven
Nah I'm talking full year
proper crystal
Well then you are talking 2020 Vs 2019 (or fiscal year 2021 Vs fiscal year 2020).
This is from Intel's Q1 2021 earnings call.
Iirc Intel had very nice Q2 2020.
ashen spindle
alder lake should be nice for them, server is a big question mark, wonder if aurora is getting delayed again lmao
astral haven
Alder is gonna be a disaster
ashen spindle
could be, but I'll remain hopefull
proper crystal
alder lake should be nice for them, server is a big question mark, wonder if aur...
Not sure which delay you mean, but the last delay pushed it back to 2022 and beyond.
astral haven
Ddr5 gen 1 from amd and intel are gonna be awful
And no-one is gonna make nice d4 alderlake boards
Even tho it supports it just fine
ashen spindle
ehhh idk if it'll suck as much for amd
proper crystal
Or, noone is gonna make DDR5 mobos because there is scarcely any DDR5 that could be made available for client.
ashen spindle
they have it later so there will be some out before their platform comes
astral haven
Best case scenario the only thing that sucks is the price
There is gonna be an obscene amount of ddr5
The problem is the memory controllers
proper crystal
The bigger problem are the small cores. Hope Intel's army of software engineers is working their socks off on that one, because it's a tough job.
astral haven
Amds first ddr4 controller was soo bad
Like holy fuck was it baaaaaad
Their second one was still awful
Revision 2 of the second one was useable tho
Still not commonly stable but 🤷 no-one seems to care
Use it slow with small numbers of chips
Quad rank is -400mhz
On 2000 series that meant 2666 pretty much only
On 3000 at least you can often get 3200
ashen spindle
don't really see it as related as the company is much different now
astral haven
Different in what way?
Their design process is identical
"Modular, testing each part individually"
ashen spindle
more/different people, stable roadmap
astral haven
They aren't changing that
I'm talking about engineering
They don't have a whole lot more people
Per project
Sure they have more projects but whatever
ashen spindle
then I do see it like they probably took a lot of lessons from ddr3 to 4 and don't really make the same mistakes again perhaps
ashen spindle
idk just because the last revision change had issue this one has aswell? seems too simple to me to be accurate
astral haven
5000 has the same issues they just pushed the clock further
You can't do that on ddr5, it's just too fast
You need to fix the issue
ashen spindle
given how well the APUs do in regards to memory speeds, I see that as something they can do just didn't on the chiplets as there wasn't much change in the IO die
astral haven
Like 5000 series pushed the clock limits of stability beyond where it was practical to run
But the imc still is unstable far earlier than the memory interface itself
No
Apus aren't stable at high clocks
Just good at validation
I'm talking about "memtest is perfectly stable but now my processor even at stock isnt"
And I mean occt memtest or p95 large stable occt small p95 small not
reef patrol
Never had issues overclocking my 2200G 😄
ashen spindle
ok that could be, did not go too deep into apus for that
reef patrol
Or its iGPU
astral haven
You probably aren't running 64gb of ram on your 2200g
Like the problem isn't normal
reef patrol
I mean... why would anyone ever combine those two ? xD
astral haven
The problem is that the specs aren't all true at the same time
The 2700x doesn't support 64gb at 3200
Or 2933 or whatevef
It supports 2933 or 64gb
5000 series is so far pretty much ok because no-one tries to run above 3200 128gb any more
But like it's not good to have to pick and choose which spec is correct
On intel in the memory section at least you can always run the max memory at the highest supported speed
astral haven
No
reef patrol
Suffice to say that's been my experience so far as an SI 😄
astral haven
All intel cpus run their max supported speed at the highest supported capacity even on the cheapest boards
I'm not talking about 3600 4000 4400
I'm talking about official supported speeds
3200
The 9900k was only 2666 but it could always run 2666 no matter what
For example
10 series was 2933 and usually it could run 4400 xmps no problem
But it would always run 2933
And sure you can always blame the motherboard vendors but it ain't their fault amd isn't helping
They have honestly done such a fantastic job with what they are given
Except you biostar
But uh
Don't run 4 sticks
wheat plume
If you are on Plasma desktop and using Arch, Pamac manager might not open for you and this is why
The new version of Pamac wants libhandy to be installed and it isnt install on Plasma cause Plasma doesnt need it
so install libhandy and itll work again
hmm, GTK4 doesnt look too great in Plasma....
that long ass search button, no thanks
reef tundra
super + enter.
use command> yay
press Y to accept updates.
peepoHappy
reef tundra
Ramjet technology
crisp granite
they make smol fans
reef patrol
It's still going to be loud af.
crisp granite
at least it will be a bit more quiet
reef patrol
That's basically a 40x40x40 block of fan 😄
crisp granite
reef tundra
even 30x30mm, 40x40mm commonly used in 3d printers cold end cooling
young pecan
I'm planning on running 2 of those PSUs for a total of 2200W and I'll actually require 1500W of power.
Hoping the draw won't be too high and make them spin up.
At least not beyond 50%.
Yeah, I was planning on shoving it in the garage and just surrounding it with acoustic panels and the such with a healthy layer of noise insulation everywhere it escapes.
reef tundra
Good margin of wattage. As they are most efficient around the 50% load range
young pecan
True, but if I actually connect em to the motherboard I can force them to run at 50%.
young pecan
Y'know, assuming I locate some that actually have cables.
I remember seeing a couple.
astral haven
True, but if I actually connect em to the motherboard I can force them to run at...
Unlikely
reef tundra
Most PSUs have thermal protection
young pecan
Adorable little Noctua fan.
Actually great.
sigh
I'm running 12 3070s each of which needs an 8 pin as a minimum since I'm running them at 125W.
The issue being that if I go server PSU with breakout board there's no way to kickstart them with a single PSU.
But if I go desktop PSU I'm probably shelling something like $400 per supply of which I need 2 with 6 available PCI-E out that also terminate in an 8 or 6+2 pin.
And none of them actually come with the fucking cables so I'd probably need to buy a few from Cablemod or something.
Anyone got a good answer for any of that...? :L
young pecan
You'd be a fan of it, aye? 
crisp granite
But if I go desktop PSU I'm probably shelling something like $400 per supply of ...
not that much per PSU
a PSU of that caliber should be like $300, no?
young pecan
Weeeeell, if you can locate one that has 6 PCI-E plugs I'd be very happy.
astral haven
Server psus are like 100 per kw
reef tundra
Probably when the system is booting it keeps the graphics cards unpowered. PSU's should send an ok/alive signal, when the mobo detects both to be operational it enables the cards
young pecan
All the $300 ones I see have 4, maybe 4+1 CPU.
crisp granite
Weeeeell, if you can locate one that has 6 PCI-E plugs I'd be very happy.
can't you go full yeet and use spliters?
young pecan
Maybe?
crisp granite
power draw is pretty low per GPU
young pecan
Should be able to sustain 2 cards with one split 8 pin EPS.
crisp granite
hm
reef tundra
Or you put the GPU supply seperate from the rest of the system
young pecan
@astral haven Leaves me with the issue of noise.
Yeah actually. Maybe I could.
Find some way to isolate it, pass a little air in.
astral haven
Exponentially less loud the further away it is :P
young pecan
reef tundra
Become deaf and the distance becomes less relevant
young pecan
Lmfao
Sure? It'll just have 2 reeeeeeeeeeeeee fans going at all times.
Imagine.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
crisp granite
naw
reef tundra
How much you pay for electricity?
young pecan
Nah, nah nah nah.
crisp granite
just some delta fans?
young pecan
We're getting blowiematrons.
crisp granite
hell nah
young pecan
14 of them.
crisp granite
no
young pecan
The crazy 20,000 RPM ones.
crisp granite
no blowies
young pecan
We need the airflow.
crisp granite
fuck no
young pecan
STATIC PRESSURE.
reef tundra
young pecan
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
reef tundra
WHAT I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE TURBOJET BLOWING HOT AIR
crisp granite
oh my fucking lord
again
Aeon
you may not put your mining rig in my garage
not if that's what it's gonna be like
young pecan
It's a great idea.
crisp granite
no it's really not
vapid zodiac
fun fact, a busy street is not that much quieter than a jet engine
crisp granite
I can barely sleep already
I don't fucking need your mining rig and my neighbors complaining about it as well
young pecan
young pecan
Lmaooooooooooo
reef tundra
young pecan
Thunderclaps are as loud as an oxygen torch?
Lmfao ok. Learn something new everyday.
crisp granite
¯_(ツ)_/¯
your mining rig would make eardrums bleed
anyway
I'm gonna drink something strong
and then play some more postal 4
later ladies
reef tundra
At some point it becomes loud enough to not care how much it is anymore
reef tundra
Stab the battery to keep the laptop safe from 100% of all virusses and malware
crisp granite
astral haven
He's not wrong tho lel
crisp granite
I know
astral haven
If your computer has lithium burns it won't be able to store a virus
crisp granite
but I'd still stab the drive as well for good measure
if it's an HDD, drop it a few times
if it's an SSD, superheat it till it melts
reef tundra
stabbed battery = bruning battery = dead battery = no power = no power to do virus related activities
astral haven
Not without power
reef tundra
Then pack it with a ton of magnesium
crisp granite
Not without power
yes
but you could take the drives
plug them into another system
that's why you need to ensure the drives are dead too
reef tundra
That is why you store it on hunderds of drives in raid 0 and burn everything making sure to melt the one holding record down
crisp granite
one molotov is all it takes
young pecan
Just bitlocker it.
If there's an old HDD with 7000 bitcoin on it that nobody can access because Bitlocker I assume it to be good enough.
crisp granite
If there's an old HDD with 7000 bitcoin on it that nobody can access because Bit...
wait
wut
young pecan
Yeah.
crisp granite
I must get that drive, and crack it
young pecan
Guy purchased 7k bitcoins when they were cheap as fuck and he died.
His family just has a drive with 7k coin on it but nobody has been able to get through the bitlocker.
Fucking tragic.
crisp granite
but modern computing would take a stupid amount of time to crack it iirc
young pecan
A permanent lesson to have a fucking hardware wallet.
young pecan
I mean...
The drive was worth 581 million AUD at the peak.
Probably worth 400m or so now.
latent mural
i was debating whether i should buy 64 or 128gb of ram but 128 requires ecc support or something right?
jaunty cipher
never heard of that, is that a motherboard thing?
i mean if you're using 128 its probably smart to get ecc, likely doing critical work on it
vast moss
Maybe not "requires" but "could really benefit from" sure
Again, unless you know you need it, you probably don't actually need that much RAM anyway
reef tundra
Unless you are doing heavy after effects, opening huge gb long files, opening 10000 browser tabs, running 10 minecraft servers 128GB is a lot
jaunty cipher
10 minecraft servers is exactly what I want, lets go
vast moss
For most people (engineers and professional media creators excluded):
64+ is overkill
32 is ample
16 is sufficient
8 can get you by
reef tundra
ECC support is only usefull for servers tbh. Overkill for anything other than high bandwidth networking
latent mural
when i first built my computer i always upgraded my computer on the idea that "maybe i should upgrade wherever my computer is lacking" so this is just one of those things. Literally every other part of my computer is overkill except the ram. and i actually could really benefit with more ram now in this current moment in time whereas a year or even two years ago i actually didnt need that much until now.
reef tundra
I would say 16GB for daily use will last you for the coming few years.
vast moss
What does your use case look like? Perhaps we can help you determine just how much you may need.
reef tundra
What would you need that much for? Blender?
vast moss
Probably 32 then
Unless you pile on the mods and browser tabs (or media effects), you shouldn't need even 64
astral haven
Don't need but I've filled 64 before
And even for regular windows use more ram is more responsive
latent mural
Ram is pretty overpriced so i can afford 128 i feel like buying anything in between is a bit pointless
vast moss
What do your current specs look like?
latent mural
better safe than sorry so i just feel like its enough
reef tundra
The only times i ran out of memory was with hunderds of tabs open or some memory leak. Luckly my swap allowed me to kill off the offending process
vast moss
If you really want to be safe, 64 is probably ample for any non-professional system
astral haven
128gb is gonna be less speedy than you can get in 64gb except for crucial
astral haven
Cant or don't want to lel
vast moss
I'm curious as to why
astral haven
^
latent mural
Cant or don't want to lel
yes
astral haven
For example on 5000 series it's best to get a pair of 32gb dimms, where on 11 and 10th it doesn't matter 4x16 vs 2x32 unless you are overclocking
latent mural
ahh okay yea
astral haven
If you are going cheap get crucial, if you aren't do your research to get bdie
latent mural
gotcha
jaunty cipher
There's also tech like zram on linux that will compress ram as it gets full to fit more into ram
reef tundra
Allocate the videoram for the cpu 
jaunty cipher
:monkaS:
astral haven
There's also tech like zram on linux that will compress ram as it gets full to f...
Still slows things waaaaaay down
jaunty cipher
yeah, ram > zram > swap
reef tundra
There is no free lunch
jaunty cipher
32gb ram, zram, then zswap to dynamically allocate swap until your disk fills, then you got a problem
latent mural
i'd get linux but my knowledge on that operating system confuses me
reef tundra
Why use mods when you can just simulate 250 years of history
jaunty cipher
why simulate human history when you can eth mine
astral haven
Oh right that's not a thing any more
Get rekt
Technically we are still ahead of Moores law
reef tundra
That is why I use De Morgan's laws instead
astral haven
-_-
vast moss
Unrelated, but I was surprised when I started up Firefox and saw that it changed since I had opened it up last
It looks so different now. Still getting used to it, but it seems pretty nice.
vast moss
jaunty cipher
hmm, looks a little different
vast moss
The menus at least look newer
It's hard to share the differences without access to the original (I could reboot into my Linux install, but I'm a little busy on Windows rn) but it does look different
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/89.0beta/releasenotes/
This is the beta branch, so stable users might not currently have access to the changes
reef tundra
Looks fine tbh
vast moss
I'm not saying it's bad, just different
I kind of like it already, though I suppose it may take some getting used to.
jaunty cipher
stop trying
vast moss
Oh boy
That's quite a bit of money
vast moss
Are you looking to buy or sell?
young pecan
These things go for 2 grand here.
Trying to buy it.
1.2 AUD?
Absolutely the cheapest 3070 I've seen in literally 2 months.
vast moss
hum
Well, relative to current 3070s sure, but relative to MSRP that looks pricey
jaunty cipher
meanwhile my friends in cali get 10 gpus a week at msrp just camping outside microcenter
vast moss
then again, MSRP is now no more than a meme
reef tundra
He is planning to mine with it. Im skeptic about the actual gains but. Nothing risked, nothing gained.
young pecan
It uses about $3 AUD per day in power, that's making $17 USD per day.
Math checks out.
reef tundra
Its making 17 in income or netto?
reef tundra
And that is per card?
young pecan
Total.
Per 3070 it uses about 60 cents per day and makes between 7 and 8 AUD per day.
reef tundra
How many cards are there?
young pecan
12 per rig.
I'm buying 5, maybe 6.
Yearly per rig it's about 30 grand.
ROI of about 7 to 8 months.
Doubling cycles getting 4 rigs within 2 years.
That's already high government salary.
jaunty cipher
current profitability is a record high in the last week, its not lasting months let alone a year, but as long as you sell before the gpu market crashes you'll always make your money back and more
jaunty cipher
and if you get cheap power it'll always be somewhat profitable
young pecan
It fluctuates a little, but it's always around 28 grand to 32 grand per 3070 rig rn.
jaunty cipher
in the last week or two profitability spiked and my friends are making 15% more per day
young pecan
Pog
And the GPU market won't be crashing for a good while.
It'll take years before the industry recovers to a way that makes GPUs not worth 1.6 grand each.
And hell, even if it crashes I'll have made ROI plus heaps by that time. Why bother selling?
jaunty cipher
the only way gpu market recovers is if eth mining dies and all the gpus flood back to the market at ultra low rate
young pecan
Even then you'll see another currency replace it and the miners will either see that and switch coins or they won't sell.
reef tundra
Do keep in mind that computer parts can be depreciated within a year already. Could be productive to register a company and write it off as an business expense
young pecan
Either way it allows a win for me because it either continues on track and I make money, or people/companies sell GPUs for cheap and my ROI goes down.
jaunty cipher
dont give people ideas shh
crisp granite
Do keep in mind that computer parts can be depreciated within a year already. Co...
I always route purchases through a company for that exact reason
ends up costing less in the end
jaunty cipher
you just has a company laying around
crisp granite
naw
reef tundra
Deprecation is a powerful tool to minimise taxes
Isnt Etherium planning to end mining in 2022 or something?
crisp granite
¯_(ツ)_/¯
jaunty cipher
i think thats pow over pos
young pecan
Currently PoW, they're moving into PoS.
young pecan
Mhmm.
Basically the way it works is more Eth staked in the blockchain gives you a higher chance of being the 'node'.
young pecan
I'll need to check into it again.
astral haven
Maybe the minimum is 32 and any more than that improves your chances?
reef tundra
So it would go with a guarantee type system? Like they sometimes do with loans?
astral haven
Explain?
young pecan
Basically, yeah.
reef tundra
The guarentee would be either a sum of money, assets or someone else willing to put their financials at stake in case the loan gets defaulted on
young pecan
The more you stake the higher chance you have of being the 'node' for the block.
Except if there's a fraudulent block it gets taken out of your stake.
Is basically how it works.
And if you're the 'node' you are what amounts to the miner.
PoS is both great and horrific to me.
astral haven
The guarentee would be either a sum of money, assets or someone else willing to ...
Yea that's the idea except it's not getting money in exchange it's getting the ability to mine
young pecan
^
reef tundra
Hmm, could be seen as having to bet some money that you are telling the truth
young pecan
That is correct.
astral haven
Correct lel
young pecan
The problems with this are fucking immense.
It makes it so much easier for the 51% Attack to happen.
astral haven
Well no
young pecan
Well I mean yeah, kinda.
Not for a massive currency like Eth, but the smaller ones? Any new ones operating on PoS?
Yeah, I see people trying it.
astral haven
Because currently exchanges separately own way more than 50% of existing ethereum
young pecan
Yep, and it's not a massive issue for current high profile currencies.
But any new ones face some damn treacherous ground.
astral haven
Well thing is it's only ethereum going pos atm
young pecan
We both know once Eth does the others will follow.
astral haven
Nah
reef tundra
I would imagine having 10 government agencies watching over your sholder if you try to fuck around with Etherium and defrauding someone
astral haven
Biggest gpu mineable currency is gonna be a thing for a while
young pecan
Lmfao
Omg I don't even want to know what the thermals are like.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE
Holy shit.
$17,000 USD laptop. Ok.
I don't understand who this is aimed at, I really don't.
astral haven
11900k, 3080, 64gb of ram and a 1tb 980 is 6k
astral haven
Wut
It's nearly the same price as a desktop of the same caliber
And once the gpu shortage is over a 1k premium for a laptop is fantastic tbh
reef tundra
Does it even have a battery?
astral haven
You'd be surprised how long they can last even when doing things
reef tundra
Not if you want to be able to bring it onto an airplane. 99wh limit. i think
young pecan
Not long enough to do anything you'd want when the device is labeled as 'mobile supercomputer'.
astral haven
My laptop is many years old but same wattage gpu and a higher wattage cpu
And it lasted 2 hours streaming 4k60
young pecan
Then surely you must know that's fucked?
2 hours is one and a half games of Risk of Rain.
Or a single well written document.
astral haven
And it lasted 2 hours streaming 4k60
My idea was just "have a ups"
young pecan
Or one movie.
astral haven
But uh
reef tundra
Streaming video is cpu intensive mostly, isnt it?
young pecan
For decoding, yeah. But it depends on the app.