#🔌│tech | Wooting | Page 986

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 6:19 AM

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Makes it close to worthless

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Since you will always need an interpreter layer

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested
its in here somewhere

The 2020 Mac Mini Unleashed: Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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+power scaling on them seeminlgy is worse than on vurrent x86 stuff

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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but it natively handles a bunch of stuff that arm just doesnt

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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So they win on 15W

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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again nah

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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But are not too likely to win on 65W

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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M1X may fix that, hopefully

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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1165g7 vs m1 is pretty one sided beatdown for everything but native macos performance

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Was hoping to see M1X on yesterday’s event

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:21 AM

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astral haven 1165g7 vs m1 is pretty one sided beatdown for everything but native macos perfor...

And battery life

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:21 AM

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eh

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depends what you are doing

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idle time on the intel non reference platforms are pretty abysmal tho to be fair

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so ill give apple the w for battery life if you arent using your computer

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 6:22 AM

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Searched the article doesn’t mention any sort of native hardware x86 translation layer thing

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:23 AM

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its in there

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 6:23 AM

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Find it

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I can’t

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:23 AM

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astral haven 1165g7 vs m1 is pretty one sided beatdown for everything but native macos perfor...

First two benchmarks I looked at

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:24 AM

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neither of those benchmarks are comparable cross platform

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and as i said the apple intel drivers are awful

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look up benches of real things

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like games

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:26 AM

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astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:27 AM

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i dont know why that says higher is better but something is clearly fucked with the benchmark

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:28 AM

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Ah yes.

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Higher render time is better.

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Mhmm.

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:28 AM

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astral haven i dont know why that says higher is better but something is clearly fucked with ...

The higher is better looks like typo, apart from that this is the performance

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:28 AM

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sure

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:29 AM

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You're kinda fucking up one thing there, IkaS...

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:29 AM

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i dont know how that person messed up the benches but its pretty obvious they did

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:29 AM

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The device needs to stay cool enough under real load, in the real world when it's full of dust, to not throttle hard.

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How much do you wanna bet that test was taken in a temp controlled room with zero use?

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That's not what you realistically get.

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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Idk, but most m1 benchmarks I found shown this performance

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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thats not gonna be different between mac and pc aeon

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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Incorrect.

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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And also, M1 without cooling in MacBook Air had pretty similar performance as MacBook Pro 13 so does not matter much

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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A PC will actually have a cooler that can blow through a little dust.

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Apple is bad at that.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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true but the m1 cooler is just there for show already so its not a big problem

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:31 AM

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For now.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:31 AM

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same as the xps 🤷‍♂️

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:31 AM

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Same thing got reported with the last 7 laptops in the last few years.

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All of which throttle hard after a year or two.

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XPS laptops don't tend to do that. :L

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:31 AM

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yea but the last 7 laptops they intentionally didnt attach the cooler properly

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:31 AM

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...

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:31 AM

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the m1 they didnt need to

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:31 AM

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It's been the same with all of their desktops for the last 9 years as well.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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not really

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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No, it really is.

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Cooler fills with dust and it stops being effective.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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their desktops overheated because they didnt have enough airflow to physically transmit the heat

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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...

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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even ignoring dust

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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Because the cooler fills with dust and just dies.

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Then it turns into a furnace.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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the desktops overheated without dust already

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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The laptops also have that issue.

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Of course.

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But the laptops aren't immune, neither is M1.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:33 AM

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dust didnt help the problem but it wasnt a thing that appeared with age

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youd be surprised

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:33 AM

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Not for the powerful desktops, anyway.

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4790K still had that issue.

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Kinda low power.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:33 AM

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a huge slab of copper properly attached to a 15w cpu = low temps even without a fan

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:34 AM

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Until Apple fucks up the heat pipe design like they did on the laptop of 4 years ago.

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Thermal throttle after 7 months.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:34 AM

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well the m1 exists

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and we do know it works properly

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:34 AM

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^

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:34 AM

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shrugs Again, for now.

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You'll see it throttle fairly hard after a few years, just like everything else they do.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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id be extremely surprised

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Pentiums throttle like that.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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the m1 thermal solution looked to me very well thought out

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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M1 will as well.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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i know of several devices which dont

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Admittedly the cooling has to be kinda fucked, but apple is on a decade streak.

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Not not counting it being good this time.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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again if you have no fan and you attach some copper to the processor it wont get that hot

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Obviously.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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and apple did

eager cosmos Apr 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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is someone using software?

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Mhmm, they did.

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But a thermal design isn't as simple as "StIcK iT oN 4hEaD"

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:36 AM

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i mean

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:36 AM

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I wish, I fucking wish.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:36 AM

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in this case it is

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Omfg I wish.

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No, it isn't.

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There are ALWAYS other things that need to happen.

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Depends on how much heat and surface are you have

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:36 AM

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^

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Sure it won’t work well in vacuum lul

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Correct contact, TIM being actually good, device to device mounting, etc.

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Simple design fuckups.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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apple knows that

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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Apple has had them all before, they are not immune.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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they just were intentionally not doing it in the past

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this time they did it

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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Hell, a few generatins ago they had CPU'S FALLING OUT OF THE SOCKETS.

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They literally fell out.

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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Not M1 CPUs too

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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look aeon

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the m1 laptops so far are many things

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:38 AM

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Good if it works, but I'm not trusting Apple to not fuck it up on purpose.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:38 AM

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but insufficiently cooled is not one of them

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:38 AM

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That's a well studied doctrine for them.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:38 AM

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they wanted to show all their customers "look at how much cooler the m1 is than the intel"

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and they did it

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no need for a washer mod

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no need for paperclip mod

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nothing

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:38 AM

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Mhmm, that much is very true.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:39 AM

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just actually designed product

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:39 AM

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But how long have we had access to M1?

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Not particularly.

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Wait for the fuckup, the other shoe is probably in the job description when you work there.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:39 AM

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in the past every issue can be fixed by properly mounting the heatsink

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or strategically placed thermal pads

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:39 AM

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If the M1 CPUs didn't overheat there'd be no reason to buy a new device.

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Why would apple do that now?

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No reason to, especially since more people have money because COVID.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:40 AM

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nah their plan this time was stick people with awful nand and use up the endurance of it 😛

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:40 AM

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No, there's a fuckup somewhere here and it'll actually die in a year.

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Might be the TIM being fucked and needing replacement, might be a fucked headpipe, but there's something.

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:40 AM

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young pecan Why would apple do that now?

You can also ask why are there over 5 years of software updates for phones too.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:40 AM

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nah aeon
they use stock dau corning

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that stuff lasts for 15 years

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:41 AM

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@shadow minnow Because it's a fun marketing technique that doesn't matter when the battery is designed to die after 2 years, and the featureset is designed to make you upgrade year on year.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:41 AM

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apple gives 5 years of software because they lose money for every phone they sell

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and they profit from the software

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not the hardware

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:41 AM

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That too.

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 6:41 AM

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They profit from hardware too afaik, just not that much

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:42 AM

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nah

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:42 AM

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Profiting from hardware is extremely difficult because logistics.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:42 AM

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the "handset business group" was operating at a loss the last time they reported it

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and since then their software revenue has grown faster than their company revenue

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so uh

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well lets just say they stopped reporting exact sales figures a while ago for a reason

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:44 AM

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"Are you losing money on hardware, Apple?"
"We're sustaining the product development and supporting our future community by leveraging long term support from IOS to allow higher revenue growth over time"

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Something BS like that.

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Beautiful corporate nonspeech.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:45 AM

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no

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thats not apple

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:45 AM

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Report exactly nothing, redirect the topic toward IOS revenue.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:45 AM

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apple just ignores the question

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 6:45 AM

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Damn, you're not wrong.

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 6:51 AM

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Holy shit

cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 7:34 AM

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Yeah that's the weird apple supporting repair thingy

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Louis Rossmann has been buzzing about it lately

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But now it's John Deere, whatever that is

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 7:36 AM

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only like

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one of the biggest enemies of right to repair

cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 7:37 AM

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Ain't that the tractor company?

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 7:37 AM

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yes

cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 7:37 AM

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What does it take to register to this benevity thing

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Is it someone high up or random employee?

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What even is that, financial support?

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 7:38 AM

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im pretty sure any full time employee can do it but still

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yea its applying to have the company provide financial support to a non profit

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 7:49 AM

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wait

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???

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the 24" imac has the ethernet port in the PSU?

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???

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wtf

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 7:52 AM

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uh

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ya know what im alright with this

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it would be better if the psu was standard usb pd but thats wishful thinking

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 7:53 AM

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oh yea no

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the PSU is a proprietary plug ofc

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 7:54 AM

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i mean i expected nothing and at least
wait a sec
IT USES A POWER BRICK?????

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 7:55 AM

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yea

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 7:55 AM

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ffs apple

crimson wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 7:55 AM

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It gets worse!

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 7:56 AM

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detachable cable at least on the computer side

crimson wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 7:56 AM

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What's even going on with this generation imacs?!

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:01 AM

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Yeah I personally think Ethernet port on the brick is dumb

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Nah I'm actually fine with that for a laptop for exampld

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:02 AM

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On the other hand tho, bare capacitors aren’t just exposed inside the chassis ready to zap anyone to death

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Go home, plug in, 1 cable power and fast internet

crimson wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 8:03 AM

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And it means one less cable going into the beautiful Mac itself

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:03 AM

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But a fashion focused desktop with an external psu?

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:03 AM

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Well yeah

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It’s too thin to fit a proper PSU

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:04 AM

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I mean that's not entirely correct

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:04 AM

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But ehh the brick is fine, but I guess I’m biased since I have like 4 power bricks in my desk

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:04 AM

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meh

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external PSU might be a good thing for an imac

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tbh

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:05 AM

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True

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Less heat

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:05 AM

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since it makes it a whole lot safer

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Old imacs had proper psus

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:05 AM

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old imacs also had open psus

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Ehh debatable

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:05 AM

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And nice standard power connectors

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Yep completely exposed capacitors

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:05 AM

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that were just a deathtrap waiting to kill you if you ever needed to get inside

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Every iMac I've disassembled had a psu shield that covered everything

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Now

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I haven't touched an imac newer than 2011 but shh

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I did say old :P

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:06 AM

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iMac PSU

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Yea that's definetly not old

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:07 AM

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no touchy zone marked

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:07 AM

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You sure?

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:08 AM

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yes

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:08 AM

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PES_HahaDead handL ⚡

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:08 AM

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you just have the THT solder joints at the back

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if you touch that thing the wrong way while getting out the HDD you might die

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Thing is those all look like low voltage solder joints

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:09 AM

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???

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how many watts do you think an imac needs

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Like all of the exposed joints on the back there

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Those look like 12v or 5v

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Not mains

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:10 AM

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you don't need massive solder joints for high voltages?

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:10 AM

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No, you need them to be alot further apart than that tho

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Pepega

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Actually this is apple

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They could entirely keep the 240 on one side of the pcb

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:11 AM

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you need a .24mm gap

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at least

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btw

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for 240V

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:12 AM

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You want 3x the breakdown voltage

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But this is apple

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:12 AM

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also

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where else would the PSU be

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they don't use space magic to make it 12V

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:13 AM

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They could keep the mains isolated on the top of the pcb

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And the back of the pcb could be made to be safe to touch with careful engineering

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But yea I know

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:14 AM

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ah btw

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jsut checked

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those two guys

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should be this not so small guy

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:14 AM

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Welp I tried to defend apple here

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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KEKW

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yea no the device is not made to be opened

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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I wanna go back to the old days

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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so they don't watch out for the consumer here

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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The old days are long gone

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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yup

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Core 2 imacs and PowerPoint imacs were great

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Apple doesn’t make products for power users

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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I mean

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eh

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the mac pro is not bad

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Autocorrect pls
Powerpc

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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peepoShrug

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could be better

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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The mac pro is worse than the 2012 one

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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I guess but that’s the exception

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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T2 is shit

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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astral haven The mac pro is worse than the 2012 one

???

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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T2 is shit

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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Also that

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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what

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how is it worse

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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I mean the trash can was more novel for sure

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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Worse as in repairability and upgradeability

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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oh

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eh

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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Ofc it's faster

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:17 AM

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2013 mac is not that good for repairability

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:17 AM

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Ya

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:17 AM

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upgradeability is actually decent on the new one

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and repairability is ehhh

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:17 AM

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But the original cheese grater was better

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:17 AM

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Wait was the trash can 12 or 13

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:17 AM

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Both

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:17 AM

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if you want it to last as long as possible

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:17 AM

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Pretty sure?

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:17 AM

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just don't use the included drives

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ig

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trashcan was only 2013

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afaik

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and never got upgraded

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:17 AM

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Yea but that's not really an option on the new pro

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:18 AM

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kinda

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you can use sata and pcie drives

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:18 AM

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Thought they added new gpus at one point

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For macos?

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:18 AM

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if you kill the original drives though, which will happen sooner or later the thing is dead

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:18 AM

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Thought it would always

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:18 AM

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na

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:18 AM

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Yea

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:18 AM

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2012 mac pro is still the G5 tower

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:18 AM

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Ah

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Not g5

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:18 AM

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not g5

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but the same tower

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or similar enough tower ig

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this thing

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:19 AM

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Ya

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:19 AM

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not a G5

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but a mac pro 5.1

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peepoShrug

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KEKW

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thing is

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:19 AM

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Main reason I dislike the Mac pro is that the gpus from them are ewaste

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:20 AM

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workstations from dell and hp have held their value better btw

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:20 AM

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And I love to collect old gpus

neat oriole Apr 21, 2021, 8:20 AM

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I wouldn’t say they’re e waste

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:20 AM

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since you can use them as actually useful home servers

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:20 AM

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But you can't run them in anything but the original chassis

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:20 AM

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neat oriole I wouldn’t say they’re e waste

they basically are

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btw

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lenovo is pulling similar stuff

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the new threadrippers in lenovo OEM computers are locked to lenovo OEM computers

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:20 AM

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Lenovo dell, and hp

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:21 AM

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dell and hp does not do that yet

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peepoShrug

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even if they did

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I would not go with lenovo

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:21 AM

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Epyc that goes in one of their boards are permanently locked to them

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:21 AM

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support is too trash

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peepoShrug

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:21 AM

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astral haven Epyc that goes in one of their boards are permanently locked to them

oh yea epycs

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:21 AM

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Hp and dell don't sell Trpro yet

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:21 AM

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but not threadrippers

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:21 AM

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All they have are epyc

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:21 AM

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ye

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I wonder if they will implement it

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I hope they don't

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cause that will make the used market for them terrible

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:21 AM

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As soon as they start selling the systems

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:22 AM

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btw

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the old mac pros

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as in the 2012 ones

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are basically useless nowadays

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right?

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like

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yea you can run a fileserver on them or something

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but macos does not make for a good VM host system or anything?

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and you can't put any linux distro on there?

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:23 AM

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You can run fileservers and websites

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Ofc you can run linux

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:23 AM

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you pretend like that is a given with apple devices

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:23 AM

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They run windows 10 great

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Only the powerpc can't run windows

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:24 AM

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so why have they lost so much value compared to a Z800 from the same year OMEGALUL

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:24 AM

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astral haven Only the powerpc can't run windows

oh yea obv

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:24 AM

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Cause apple

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:24 AM

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you might be able to natively get a wii os on there though dafoe

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:24 AM

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Z800 is enterprise hardware not fashion

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:24 AM

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OMEGALUL

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I mean

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got mine for a hundred euros

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KEKW

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only has 24gb of ram though

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:25 AM

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Yea I don't have any old workstations

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:25 AM

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it's my home server

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:25 AM

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I have a t410 with 128gb of ram but 12 Nehalem cores is still just Nehalem cores

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:25 AM

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so VM slave/fileserver

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the T410 did 128gb of ram?

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:26 AM

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My server is a Lenovo tiny

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Yup

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64gb per cpu

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And yes that's a 3 channel cpu with 4 dimms

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:26 AM

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the t410 is a laptop?

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:26 AM

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Dell t410

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:26 AM

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ah

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was worried for a while

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yea have not come accross a lot of old dell hardware

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:27 AM

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I mean my laptop also supports 128gb of ram

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:27 AM

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world still runs on dl380 g8s

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peepoShrug

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mine does as well

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cba to upgrade it though

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:29 AM

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Yea my main server is a tiny little Lenovo tiny mini micro that I've had forever

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:29 AM

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yea I'll probably throw in some 8gb sticks in my z800

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unsure how many yet

astral haven Apr 21, 2021, 8:29 AM

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16gb and 35w quad core 4th gen

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 8:29 AM

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but 24gb is a little sad

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peepoShrug

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 8:59 AM

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My current server is a 3950X with 64GB DDR4.

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It’s not bad.

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Lacking on a NAS, tho. Need one super badly. :/

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 9:01 AM

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oh the Z800 does that as well

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got 4 8TB drives in raid 10 in there

halcyon moss Apr 21, 2021, 9:01 AM

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geez, the powerdraw of that

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 9:02 AM

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I don't pay an electricity bill dafoe

halcyon moss Apr 21, 2021, 9:02 AM

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i was thinking i should replace my lenovo t440p laptop with something more power efficient...

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 9:32 AM

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But also calibrating display by changing Apple TV output based on colors phone captures looks pretty cool, wish more devices had this, as you usually need to buy expensive extra devices for calibration if it is even possible

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 10:02 AM

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MonkaS

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we'll see how accurate that actually is though

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prob not that accurate

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also

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who tf uses an apple tv

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but then also needs to calibrate their TV they use it on?

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 11:47 AM

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WAIT

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MonkaS

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I was defending the imac having an external PSU

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but the plug is attached magnetically

hard thicket Apr 21, 2021, 11:54 AM

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some magnetic connections are quite decent and sturdy tho

misty saffron Apr 21, 2021, 12:00 PM

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you’d expect apple to nail it since they had magsafe

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 12:01 PM

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oh magsafe is great on a laptop

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since you know

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you don't accidentally step on your cable hanging down from below your desk

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and accidentally kill the computer

reef patrol Apr 21, 2021, 12:06 PM

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https://www.kitguru.net/channel/generaltech/matthew-wilson/microsoft-no-longer-acquiring-discord/

KitGuru

Microsoft no longer acquiring Discord - KitGuru

Over the last few weeks, there has been a persistent rumour that Microsoft is in discussions to acqu

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Phew.

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 12:06 PM

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now they can stay "independent"

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Pepega

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Pfffff. They’re going the worst possible route.

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Publicly traded.

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Fucking hell, get ready for shareholders to fuck up the entire platform.

crimson wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Good... goood..

crisp granite Apr 21, 2021, 1:00 PM

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:)

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I'm definitely gonna buy a few shares

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:01 PM

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Server features? Get ready for subscription fees.

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You wanna have more than 400 friends? Fork a little over.

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Fucking public companies.

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Ugh. They suck.

crimson wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 1:06 PM

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Can't wait to see Discord crumble and die

cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 1:09 PM

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We going back to skype and teamspeak

crimson wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 1:10 PM

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MSN Messenger pls

cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 1:11 PM

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MSL?

halcyon moss Apr 21, 2021, 1:11 PM

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back to teamspeak

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only option

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 1:12 PM

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Would be funny if TS5 release comes just as discord dies lmao

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:13 PM

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TS is the only real option.

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I suppose Slack would also do...

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Possibly Skype if MS decides to overhaul literally everything and rename it.

cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 1:14 PM

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FACEBOOK MESSENGER

crimson wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Teams repositioned as the ultimate Discord killer then

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:14 PM

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retch

cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 1:14 PM

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I actually dig messenger so much

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Messenger is pain, it’s awful.

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Jesus fuck, the app is actually terrible.

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Terrible nonsense.

cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 1:14 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/no-you-bitch-uno-menacing-card-gif-16237515

Tenor

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:14 PM

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But it’s weirdly so close to something amazing.

cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 1:15 PM

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You can shit on FB all you want, I like messenger

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:15 PM

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Idk. It’s got the framework, but my god the interface and base functionality is just so awful.

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:15 PM

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ICQ COMING BACK BOYS!

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:15 PM

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Literally one slight overhaul is all it would take.

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Just the one and messenger would be a good contender.

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:15 PM

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I am not touching FB messenger with a 10-foot pole

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Well yeah, of course not.

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But the app would work, nearly.

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:16 PM

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I would go to fucking Telegram or something

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 1:16 PM

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cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Is there a joke here?

crimson wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Bet there are some JS devs who unironically use it like that

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Just that you can do exactly that with better languages.

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Y’know, and better languages have better methods of doing that.

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Without the massive usage for a simple task.

reef tundra Apr 21, 2021, 1:17 PM

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sort()

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:17 PM

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^

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:17 PM

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Or you can do

let arr = [/* stuff */]


arr.sort()

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Boom

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:17 PM

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Honestly, just use C++. Why even Java?

reef tundra Apr 21, 2021, 1:18 PM

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even allows you to use your own sorting algorithm by giving it the function pointer

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 1:18 PM

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young pecan Honestly, just use C++. Why even Java?

that is not java

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but javascript

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also obv you can use actual sorting algorithms

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:18 PM

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I use the term more broadly.

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:18 PM

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Java and JavaScript are COMPETELY different.

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 1:18 PM

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OMEGALUL

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:18 PM

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I’m being an idiot.

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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That is like comparing C++ to HTML

reef tundra Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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edmescript sneaks by

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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‘Bout to sleep.

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Give my idiot brain a break.

halcyon moss Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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it doesnt sort, i delays the console.logs

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Fuck it, just go back to COBOL.

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Both are equally shit though kek

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Clearly the best language.

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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young pecan Fuck it, just go back to COBOL.

FORTAAAAN!

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Lmao

old marlin Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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halcyon moss it doesnt sort, i delays the console.logs

that is the point

reef tundra Apr 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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200 punchcards letgo

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unnumbered and trip on the way getting there

halcyon moss Apr 21, 2021, 1:20 PM

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old marlin that is the point

the premise is misleading

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:20 PM

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Just return to monke.

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Actually what’d be interesting is Saturn V style computers.

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Nightmare creations.

reef tundra Apr 21, 2021, 1:21 PM

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https://youtu.be/XHosLhPEN3k

YouTube

schoedav

Write in C - Let it be Cover - Piano

For all the IT-People and C-Programmers out there. If you heard this song you will never try to use programming languages other than C again^^ I don't know who wrote the lyrics but I like them :D

▶ Play video

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Talking about JS - my JS project is making me 170$/month on Patreon, has 74 stars on GitHub and over 4K downloads total hyper_wah

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Pog.

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:22 PM

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But in truth, it is more TS than JS

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:22 PM

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Use Patreon funds to do crypto mining.

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:22 PM

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Raw JS is pretty bad to write bigger projects in

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:22 PM

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Stonks.

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 1:22 PM

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GitHub has stars? First time I hear of it kek

reef tundra Apr 21, 2021, 1:22 PM

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JS is shit from beginning to end

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:23 PM

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I feel like people who shit on JS are mostly those that dont understand how it works.

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Write assembly.

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You won’t, you’re scared.

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:23 PM

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young pecan You won’t, you’re scared.

Bruh I dont even know how to lul

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 1:23 PM

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It’s usually less shitting on JS but on the shit people do with it

reef tundra Apr 21, 2021, 1:23 PM

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It usually doesnt work and tends to allow for exploits to happen

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 1:24 PM

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I hate JS because of how much crap is mad with it

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:24 PM

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ashen spindle It’s usually less shitting on JS but on the shit people do with it

That... is much more justified.

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A lot of people shit-code horrible things in JS

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I am not even going to argue with that

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 1:24 PM

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Websites were made in HTML to load fast, I don’t want load times on a webpage for no reason

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Let alone all the ads

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Most webpages dont need JS - it should be primarily reserved for web-apps.

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Or at least they dont need a lot of JS

crimson wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 1:25 PM

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but how else will you get that precious analytics?!

ivory geyser Apr 21, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Beats me, I dont have analytics in my app 🤷‍♂️

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I let marketing people worry about that.

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Analyse this fist in your Face AGmusashifight

reef tundra Apr 21, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Analyse this junk data

young pecan Apr 21, 2021, 1:29 PM

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Ugh. Analytics.

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I have to work on that in a few days for my MC server project. :/

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Idk how tf I’m gonna make that work either. Trying for a theoretical cap of 500,000 players concurrently.

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Not really sure how you gather that much data without something in the pipeline trying to commit die.

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But hey. Overengineering it makes sense. If it never hits the server limit there’s never a reason for me to upgrade capacity.

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Just speed.

zenith sonnet Apr 21, 2021, 2:30 PM

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shadow minnow First two benchmarks I looked at

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Apple-M1-MacBook-vs-PC-Desktop-Workstation-for-Adobe-Creative-Cloud-1975/

Puget Systems

Apple M1 MacBook vs PC Desktop Workstation for Adobe Creative Cloud

Apple has recently launched MacBook Air and Pro models using the new Apple M1 chip based on the Arm instruction set. While we do not usually examine performance for laptops, we wanted to see how these new chips compare to a desktop PC.

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Well, the iMac sucks at what it was designed for: being a desktop computer

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 2:31 PM

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It’s not really meant for pro consumers too

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Can I just say

zenith sonnet Apr 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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No

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Actually quite excited for the ipad pro m1

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Yeah the M1 iPad looks really good

zenith sonnet Apr 21, 2021, 2:33 PM

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shadow minnow It’s not really meant for pro consumers too

They used consumer grade hardware in those desktop PCs

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 2:33 PM

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The iMac is not really that good, but also the fact that 3080 + 5800/5950 + iMac level screen would cost maybe even two times as much

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 2:34 PM

#

Like

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Apple moving to M1 for their ipads could be pretty big imo

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 2:34 PM

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zenith sonnet They used consumer grade hardware in those desktop PCs

I mean, even how Apple represents it with all the colors and stuff, looks to be more of a supposed “family computer”, M1X may actually start getting interesting for pro stuff

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 2:34 PM

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pale sigil Apple moving to M1 for their ipads could be pretty big imo

Yeah, also TB 3 and mini led

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Such a big potential boost in per

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But j haven't seen benchmarks

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My issue is still the price lol

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Yeah, like, it’s not really overpriced with the M1, just expensive.

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 2:35 PM

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I'd never buy an ipad pro unless my income was stupidly disposable

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I disagree

zenith sonnet Apr 21, 2021, 2:35 PM

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shadow minnow The iMac is not really that good, but also the fact that 3080 + 5800/5950 + iMac...

That 'screen'. Are there even proper reviews anywhere

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 2:36 PM

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IPad pros are stupidly overpriced

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And it'll prob cost the less to make an M1

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Than it does their original mobile cpu

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Also mini led?

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Didn't watch the whole thing

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Well, the fact that iPad costs the same/less (depends on model) compared to new gen iPhone pros, with M1, 8gb ram, more battery, lower quantities...

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 2:38 PM

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pale sigil Also mini led?

For the bigger model, mini led, 10 000 leds with 2 500 zones, and 1000 normal, 1600 peak brightness

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 2:40 PM

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Ah

#

Well

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I only use my ipad to watch shit

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And draw the odd times

#

So I'd literally need a stupid income to buy a pro

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XD

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Well j have a pro but it's first gen and j got it fot free

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Still runs awesome

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Battery not so much

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 2:41 PM

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My cousin does nearly all her work on iPad Pro so very likely upgrading again lul , as she does video editing, animated videos with the Apple Pencil...

zenith sonnet Apr 21, 2021, 2:43 PM

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Why not get a proper workstation that's easily 2-3x faster, and doesn't even cost that much more, considering you can use it far longer?

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Idk

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Ipad pro is pretty damn fast

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And if it maters to all her needs

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I don't see an issue

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Lol

#

Plus you simply can't go wrong with the apple pencil

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It's incredible

zenith sonnet Apr 21, 2021, 2:56 PM

#

Back to the display...
Is it actually good, though? Or it is just good at showing a nice, static picture?

cursive summit Apr 21, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Yes retinas are actually really good afaik

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When it comes to colour accuracy I think

#

For gaming they prolly suck

#

Well they are for "work" so

zenith sonnet Apr 21, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Something like an iMac is for "work"?

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 3:15 PM

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cursive summit For gaming they prolly suck

For gaming they don’t suck, however they normally aren’t special, just like your regular 60hz monitor. iPad Pro is however 120hz too so better even for gaming.

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 3:21 PM

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Ipads have always been good for screens

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It's Iphones that stayed behind for so long

hard thicket Apr 21, 2021, 3:23 PM

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people get ipads for gaming ?

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 3:26 PM

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No but the point is

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Screen is good

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XD

#

XD

#

Gaming on an ipad can be pretty fun ngl

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 3:30 PM

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Since M1, if they add macos/macos apps (so also windows through parallels) on iPad, that would be really cool

crimson wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 5:09 PM

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https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/04/21/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-21364/
meme about Windows being best Linux distro

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Ngl

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Come to the conclusion that if j get a proper smart watch

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It has to be 4G

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Because fuck relying in Bluetooth 24/7

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:17 PM

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crimson wigeon https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/04/21/announcing-windows-10-insid...

So cool!

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Android next please

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 5:18 PM

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im honestly excited about what microsoft is doing

#

making linux useable in a great way on windows, VS22 with64bit/github integration, gamepass and their studios seem to be getting good treatment

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:20 PM

#

Screenshot_2021-04-21-18-19-58-449_com.miui.gallery.jpg

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Anyone wanna trade for white ram

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XD

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 5:22 PM

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You know I just realized I got a all black pc without even going for it

reef patrol Apr 21, 2021, 5:22 PM

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I'll trade you some RAM that randomly turn off or change effects.

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😂

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 5:23 PM

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Only thing not black is the red plastic on the amd gpu

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:23 PM

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Oh god

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That's awful

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I feel like I'm looking at a lifeless pre build

misty saffron Apr 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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ashen spindle Only thing not black is the red plastic on the amd gpu

get the tied plastic off

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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I like it, you need to try hard to even see the ram kek

misty saffron Apr 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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red

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Why did you get such a huge case

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I hate it

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Oml

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Meh, would if it was on the outside but it’s going on the middle of the shroud

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Though I know you don't care

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How's ya 6800 XT lull

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 5:25 PM

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it was cheap, available, amazing airflow

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im not getting a smaller case to then ramp up fans or get worse fps

#

very easy to do anything if I need to change/move anything inside it

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the side panel opening is really nice for that

wheat plume Apr 21, 2021, 5:28 PM

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pale sigil I feel like I'm looking at a lifeless pre build

wait till you see mine

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:28 PM

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I know yours

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XD

wheat plume Apr 21, 2021, 5:28 PM

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dust af .-.

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idk how to clean it

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:29 PM

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How is it so dusty

wheat plume Apr 21, 2021, 5:29 PM

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cause carpet on the entire floor

reef patrol Apr 21, 2021, 5:29 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/dust-clean-feather-dust-disting-wiping-gif-15206002

Tenor

wheat plume Apr 21, 2021, 5:29 PM

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LOL ok wtf

reef patrol Apr 21, 2021, 5:30 PM

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It's time. Time to dust off your PC.

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And/or your british celebrity.

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 5:33 PM

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best way to keep pc clean is to keep the room clean

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dont think my pc had that much dust even after a year+ not dedusting it

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but if it's needed, compressed air/dust wipes/ q tips if its around a corner

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just how you'd get rid of dust anywhere that you can't just put under water

fickle ore Apr 21, 2021, 5:34 PM

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@ashen spindle where did you find someone to clean it??

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 5:34 PM

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kek

#

having allergies gets you motivated to not keep dust piling up

crisp granite Apr 21, 2021, 5:35 PM

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wheat plume wait till you see mine

LANA

#

I told you to clean it

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forever ago

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 5:36 PM

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ashen spindle best way to keep pc clean is to keep the room clean

Well, idk what else to do for room cleaning, as I have case turned off lying here, and it gets very dusty after few weeks without fans running and without it being on ground lul

crisp granite Apr 21, 2021, 5:36 PM

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compressed air

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buy a can at a dollar store

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:44 PM

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When your friend has been running 3200 ram at 2133 for years without realising aPES_LulLaugh

crisp granite Apr 21, 2021, 5:44 PM

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galaxybrane

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:44 PM

#

I feel like no one checks their hardware numbers etc when adding new parts

wheat plume Apr 21, 2021, 5:44 PM

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look, if my friend didnt tell me that the ram didnt run at the advertised 3200, Id not have known to go into BIOS to set it to that speed

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id have been running 3200 ram at 2666

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 5:45 PM

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pale sigil When your friend has been running 3200 ram at 2133 for years without realising <...

literally had that with someone last week who is on Zen1

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Ye but why didn't you check everything was working fine pepecry

wheat plume Apr 21, 2021, 5:45 PM

#

it was working fine?

pale sigil Apr 21, 2021, 5:45 PM

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ashen spindle literally had that with someone last week who is on Zen1

Big ooft

#

It wasn't working as advertised

shadow minnow Apr 21, 2021, 8:13 PM

#

Pc case getting readied to be built in at Friday (although without dGPU and watercooling for now) Pog

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Mobo and CPU arriving tomorrow, Tpm tomorrow or on Friday, and PSU and aircooler later during Friday

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/post/UgwYhssufRhrXcEW0uV4AaABCQ hmm guess there is a LTT video worth watching soon

YouTube

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also these youtube previews for community posts suck, get it together discord

golden knoll Apr 21, 2021, 11:06 PM

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I have a problem with my wooting app for double movement

crisp granite Apr 21, 2021, 11:06 PM

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great

reef patrol Apr 21, 2021, 11:06 PM

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golden knoll I have a problem with my wooting app for double movement

Over to #archived_fortnite_double_movement

crisp granite Apr 21, 2021, 11:06 PM

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#archived_fortnite_double_movement

reef patrol Apr 21, 2021, 11:06 PM

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lull

crisp granite Apr 21, 2021, 11:07 PM

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reef patrol <a:lull:821815530431971358>

smh

golden knoll Apr 21, 2021, 11:07 PM

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oh ok sorry i didnt know

reef patrol Apr 21, 2021, 11:07 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/vines-vine-hot-dog-vine-im-just-saying-im-just-sayin-gif-15617403

Tenor

crisp granite Apr 21, 2021, 11:07 PM

#

mansen being mean again

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 12:54 AM

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time for some therapy

#

clean my keeb

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVafMi0l68

YouTube

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there it is

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 12:58 AM

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Yeah...

crisp granite Apr 22, 2021, 1:00 AM

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pale sigil clean my keeb

dishwasher

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just kidding

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the leaves will rust

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and then you're fucked

true quest Apr 22, 2021, 1:00 AM

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going to place my caps in there

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will report results

crisp granite Apr 22, 2021, 1:01 AM

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two bits of advice

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run it as cold as possible

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and don't use detergents or anything like that

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just water

reef patrol Apr 22, 2021, 1:04 AM

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pale sigil there it is

Great video... if only he hadn't filled it with ads and weird references.

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Oh yeah... OnlyFans eh? Yeah I'll definitely show this in class.

daring ivy Apr 22, 2021, 1:12 AM

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compressed air or an esd rated vacuum does wonder for cleaning keyboards and most electronic devices/boards

true quest Apr 22, 2021, 1:17 AM

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that is true for dust and such, though keep in mind one can sweat and leave oils and gunk behind

reef patrol Apr 22, 2021, 1:18 AM

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Or pizza stains...or coke...or strawberry jam.

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Et cetera.

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 1:43 AM

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wheat plume Apr 22, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Oohh

true quest Apr 22, 2021, 1:47 AM

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nah im throwing that bish in da washer

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Bleh

timid chasm Apr 22, 2021, 3:34 AM

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ew, you didn't keep the wooting keycaps for the windows and function keys

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 3:41 AM

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@timid chasm tbh I've had them longer than literally ahhone

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Anyone

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sudden glacier Apr 22, 2021, 3:42 AM

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that's going to look beautiful on lekker switches

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or at least very bright

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 3:44 AM

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also

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i got them for free

hard thicket Apr 22, 2021, 4:41 AM

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my W1 caps are fuckin wasted, scratched all over the place from heavy usage

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the letters are gone

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abs things

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 5:59 AM

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Intel killed OC warranty right before I wanted to buy it pepesweat makes me wonder if they have any way to find out if CPU was OCed, as as far as I know, there is some overclocking bit/byte in intel cpu

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:01 AM

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theres a fuse

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the oc warranty is crazy good tho

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 6:02 AM

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pepesweat why did they cancel the warranty pepecry

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:02 AM

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i know people who gave them visibly water dammaged cpus and they got them replaced

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so

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uh

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think the problem was noone was talking about it cause it wasnt marketed

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and intel was warranting overclocked cpus anyways

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so

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it didnt really help much

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 6:03 AM

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Question also is if they can just decline warranty on OCed cpu in EU, with quite a lot of pro consumer laws.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:04 AM

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yes

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theres absolutely nothing covering you if you run the device out of its intended use

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intel still usually warranties you as long as you pretend to be somewhat ignorant

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thats pretty much how all american companies have to work lel

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 6:06 AM

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But also this, imagine if they actually started declining warranty based on this lul

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:06 AM

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yea

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but in the eu they do have full legal ground not to cover warranty for a xmp'd processor

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on amd or intel

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Even during the first two years of warranty?

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:08 AM

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ofc

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you literally are running the device significantly out of specification

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but heres the thing

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you will get the warranty coverage

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 6:09 AM

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I also hope, that there is nothing that will go wrong, I mean, I am not going LN 2, or too crazy temps, or anything like that

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:10 AM

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a guy i know got a ryzen processor that his friend ripped out of the socket, he soldered back into position the pins, and rmad the cpu because a memory channel was dead, and got it replaced without any issues

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now technically thats rma fraud

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but 🤷‍♂️

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amd still profited a ton from the cpu so whatever

zenith sonnet Apr 22, 2021, 6:15 AM

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Isn't "ripping them out" a design feature?

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roo5Head

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Honestly, happens to me most of the time as well

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But you gotta trash it real hard to break anything in the process...

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I had a real fight the other day with a ripped out 3700X stuck to a stock cooler that was stuck at the hinge rooKek

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:17 AM

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on an intel cpu you twist the cooler to pull it off

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on pga that = missing pins

zenith sonnet Apr 22, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Nah, you are supposed to twist the cooler off instead of pulling it out including the CPU

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I just always forget

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:18 AM

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no

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do not twist

zenith sonnet Apr 22, 2021, 6:18 AM

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You don't accidentally shear off 940 pins

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:18 AM

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at least not without pushing down hard

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like i mean twist like you would twist off a bottle cap

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on amd what you want to do is wiggle back and forth a tiny bit

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but uh

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😬

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its not good

zenith sonnet Apr 22, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Rotate the cooler without lifting it up first

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And it'll pop right off

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:21 AM

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you need to apply downwards pressure if you rotate it

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it was fm2+ not am4 but i have had pins stay in the socket if you just rotate the cooler

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 6:23 AM

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Companies don't check the decides

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Devices

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For rma

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They judt bin em

zenith sonnet Apr 22, 2021, 6:23 AM

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Oh yes, they do

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:23 AM

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yea they definetly do

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 6:23 AM

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Well most don't

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:23 AM

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no they do

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they all do

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but they still usually just give you the rma because they dont want to deal with it

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unless they arent local

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if they arent local then get wrecked

zenith sonnet Apr 22, 2021, 6:25 AM

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AMD does indeed check every processor that is sent back
And usually destroy them right after

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:25 AM

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yup

zenith sonnet Apr 22, 2021, 6:25 AM

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But they need the samples and data to identify structural weak points and shit

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 6:25 AM

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yup

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the most important part of product development is user testing

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also there are alot of issues that really arent a fault of the cpu

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 6:57 AM

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Cpu and mobo arriving in less than two hours 👀 Pog

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And all the other necessary parts to build it tomorrow before 18:30 Pog, sadly not sooner though

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young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:01 AM

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Eyy!

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Meshify C!

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Such a good case.

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:01 AM

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young pecan Meshify C!

S2 😄

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:01 AM

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Oh shit, even better.

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:02 AM

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Going air cooling for now, but as soon as I get GPU, going to watercooling, just did not want to have to build the loop two times lul

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:02 AM

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Does that case even have enough radiator room for that much cooling?

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What parts are you gonna hook to the loop?

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:03 AM

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You can put 2 360mm rads with no problem there

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Damn. Interesting case.

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https://www.mwave.com.au/product/silverstone-rm42502-4u-rackmount-case-black-ac40025

Mwave

Silverstone RM42-502 4U Rackmount Case - Black

Buy Silverstone RM42-502 4U Rackmount Case - Black - SST-RM42-502 online with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Mwave.com.au

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Might be buying that soon.

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Maybe, at least.

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Heavily depends on a lot of stuff.

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If I'm getting a full scale rack or if I'm wall mounting shit.

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Because of cooler limitations ima mainly focus on undercoating cpu rather than OC, but want to at least OC ram

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Whu...

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Since I bought cooler master 212 for now

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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What CPU?

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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11900k, running iGPU

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh, yeah maybe.

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11000 series is just...

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What the fuck, Intel?

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:06 AM

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Just needed the pcie gen 4, but yeah it sucks

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:06 AM

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Why not Ryzen?

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:06 AM

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No iGPU and some driver issues mainly

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:06 AM

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Mmmmmm.

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Which drivers were fucked?

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:07 AM

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No iGPU would not be an issue if it was not for shortage and me having no, I mean, I think I can find some pci GPU that my father built with 10s of years ago, but no PCIe GPU lul

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:08 AM

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Mmm.

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I mean... an interim GPU?

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Something low power? 1050?

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:09 AM

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Idk, don’t want to buy 1050 just to throw it away when I get 3080 waterforce wb

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:10 AM

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shrugs

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Fair enough.

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Though you could have done the reverse.

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3000 series Ryzen APU, 3200G.

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x570 board because backward and forward compatible.

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Upgrade to top tier 5000 series.

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Maybe waste something near $100.

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Better than going Intel brand furnace.

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:P

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:11 AM

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just dont overclock and it doesnt get hot

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simple as that

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lel

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:11 AM

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Winters here are really cold, needed to go 11900k lul

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:11 AM

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astral haven just dont overclock and it doesnt get hot

Overclocking is exactly what I want to do lul

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:11 AM

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^

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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well then get a good cooler i guess

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Going custom loop with two 360 rads, also watercooled GPU

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:14 AM

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its more about the cpu block than the radiator

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a nice copper 120 rad can cool 300w no problem

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:14 AM

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astral haven its more about the cpu block than the radiator

Want to go ekwb velocity full nickel for that

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:15 AM

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ek

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yikes

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:15 AM

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EK isn't bad.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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its not "bad"

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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Used their stuff before.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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but its also not good

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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Currently have an EK AIO cooling a 3950X with all cores at 4.8Ghz.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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when you sacrifice cooling performance for looks you are doing it wrong

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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60c at most.

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shrugs Cooling performance is just fine.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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its acceptable

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but some people like to overclock

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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I mean, some stuff is bad, but ek 360 is for example best rad of its size at high fan rpm

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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Can't really push it much lower without doing other stuff.

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Delidding, lapping, etc.

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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^

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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also

3950x
all cores
ghz above 4.4
one of these is a lie

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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Nope. All 16 cores running 4.8Ghz.

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Ryzen 9 3950X.

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:18 AM

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astral haven also >3950x >all cores >ghz above 4.4 one of these is a lie

also is the lie? lul

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:18 AM

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Lmfao

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Maybe I got lucky with binning? The CPU really just doesn't care.

proper crystal Apr 22, 2021, 7:18 AM

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You got a good chip! Manual tuning, or are you just letting PBO do its thing?

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:18 AM

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It can actually boot 5.0Ghz, but it's super unstable.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:18 AM

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uh

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:18 AM

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Dies if I try and do literally anything.

proper crystal Apr 22, 2021, 7:19 AM

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There were Zen2 chips that did do 5GHz allcore on water. Rare but they do exist.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:19 AM

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what sort of stability are you talking about for 4.8 allcore

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no karbin

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not without whql errors

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:19 AM

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shrugs All I can tell you is under BIOS it's set for 48 multiplier with 100Mhz base, running water.

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Hasn't crashed to anything in months.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:19 AM

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theres a bounty for stable zen 2 above 4.4 allcore on a 6 or higher core part and its now a pretty high prize

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:20 AM

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Really now? How high?

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:20 AM

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it was at least a few hundred bucks

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but not a single person was able to prove stability

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:20 AM

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Mind linking me to that?

proper crystal Apr 22, 2021, 7:20 AM

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Haven't heard about a bounty, wouldn't be surprised if the issue is just people not knowing about it.

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:20 AM

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It literally runs at 4.8 all core pretty much constantly.

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Haven't had a windows crash in months unless I'm doing stupid shit with it.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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the requirements are pretty strict

proper crystal Apr 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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And there are many types of stability... technically, most OCs are not stable...

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Brb.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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i think its on the hwbot forums?

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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Back.

proper crystal Apr 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/dmxg1p/all_core_oc_of_ryzen_3800x_44ghz_1325v/

r/Amd - All Core OC of Ryzen 3800x - 4.4ghz @ 1.325V

25 votes and 43 comments so far on Reddit

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Whoops.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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iirc the requirements were hwinfo open for at least the duration of the p95 test, 30 minutes, lowest reported clock in hwinfo at least 4425

hard thicket Apr 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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all core up to 4.55v is possible

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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I'll go DL some stuff.

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What was the minimum all core? 4.4?

hard thicket Apr 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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usually its at 4.3

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for the 3900/3950

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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For the bounty, I mean.

hard thicket Apr 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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oh

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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above 4.4

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so 4425 iirc

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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raised eyebrow

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Huh, ok.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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they might have raised it due to the new stepping
but uh

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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If it’s pretty stable at 4.8, may be fully stable at 4.425 very likely imo

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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Weird that it's so low. Is everyone just getting shit CPUs or something?

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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Or you just got really good one

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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oh yea you also couldnt have motherboard vcore go above 1.35

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as in svi2tfn

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cause anything above that will degrade within a few months so it doesnt count as stable ofc

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:28 AM

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Yeah so...

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4.8Ghz all core stable.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:28 AM

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how long and what fft size

young pecan Apr 22, 2021, 7:28 AM

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As reported by Windows.

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I need to download shit for more info.

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New install.

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:33 AM

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it would be cool to see zen 2 having passed up zen 1 for raw clocks

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i mean zen+ since zen 1 was too unstable to really mess with

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there were 2700x allcore 4.6 that did end up being truly stable

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and there also are a few 2000 series that managed to run 4000mhz ram

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which is a feat that 3000 series basically cant (in 1:1 mode)

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:44 AM

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It’s arriving Pog

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astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:53 AM

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what ram you running?

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:54 AM

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astral haven what ram you running?

G skill tridentz royal 4266 cl19 1.4v

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:55 AM

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oh god

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im so sorry lol

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did you buy it early enough to get bdie?

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or did you pay double for rev b

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:58 AM

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astral haven or did you pay double for rev b

I think I got bdie, manufactured June 2019

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:59 AM

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thats well into the rev b era 😬

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 7:59 AM

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How do I find out if it bdie or not? lul

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 7:59 AM

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taiphoon burner

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 8:00 AM

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Any way to find out from product serial number?

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 8:00 AM

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if the manufacturer is listed as samsung its bdie if the manufacturer is micron its rev b

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nope

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some bioses read the spd and tell you but im pretty sure that gigabyte just tells you the xmp data not the ic

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 8:12 AM

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Well that's awk

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Logged into my LTT forums account fit the first time in 6 years

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I won a giveaway 6 years ago xD

astral haven Apr 22, 2021, 8:14 AM

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Lol

neat oriole Apr 22, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Contact them about it lol

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2021, 8:18 AM

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was the price a brand new gpu peepoGiggle

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 8:47 AM

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pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 8:47 AM

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?

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2021, 8:48 AM

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we're getting a second blogger peepoGiggle

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 8:48 AM

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pale sigil ?

What?

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 8:49 AM

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Oh I see

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Your stuff arrived

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Oh god

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You got the meme cpu

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:05 AM

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pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 9:10 AM

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@shadow minnow what cooler do you plan to use

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:11 AM

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pale sigil <@590931863951114260> what cooler do you plan to use

Coolermaster 212 for now, but planning to go custom watercooling as soon as I get a GPU

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 9:11 AM

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Oh god

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🤣

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:11 AM

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The coolermaster 212 is basically just so it runs for now, planning to undervolt it a bit too if stable lul

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Tomorrow ima get PSU and CPU cooler and can finish building it

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Well, building, only things not attached to mobo are case fans and PSU lul

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But also having to apply pressure to some parts when building (ram, and also when closing the cpu thing) was so stressful

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:17 AM

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pale sigil Oh god

What’s so funny? lul

halcyon moss Apr 22, 2021, 9:21 AM

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that motherboard is > €400
the fuck? are you made of money?

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just that cpu and motherboard is about what my gaming pc from last years costs :p

cursive summit Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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shadow minnow

How much did you pay for that

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I actually saw a recent listing for 2 untested boards, 80$ for both

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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cursive summit How much did you pay for that

500 CPU
400 mobo
400 ssd
160 ram

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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Ye owns everything apple

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It's fine

cursive summit Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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B550 Aorus Pro and some kind of X570 MSI

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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His mum buys it all :p

cursive summit Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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cursive summit B550 Aorus Pro and some kind of X570 MSI

80$

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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pale sigil His mum buys it all :p

Not true lul

cursive summit Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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Untested, for both

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Idk if that was worth the risk picking them up lul

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:26 AM

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pale sigil His mum buys it all :p

Mainly saved money over few years are what this costed me lul

halcyon moss Apr 22, 2021, 9:26 AM

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how are your prices so low? that cpu over here is >€600

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or is it a non k

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2021, 9:27 AM

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prices did already drop for that one a bit even here

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so there is a decent chance to get it at that price

halcyon moss Apr 22, 2021, 9:27 AM

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but if its a non k, why get that pricy mobo

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2021, 9:27 AM

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nah he got the K

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:28 AM

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halcyon moss how are your prices so low? that cpu over here is >€600

Found a really good deal on it, all other stores were 550-700€

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2021, 9:29 AM

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I think a 11900k at 500 is realistic if the 11700k is that price here

halcyon moss Apr 22, 2021, 9:29 AM

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im also wondering what makes a motherboard wotrh >€400

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2021, 9:29 AM

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extra layers for OC improvemtns, extra layers for PCIe4 signals

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if that's "worth" it is another talk

halcyon moss Apr 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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so for a "normal" consumer nothing

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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prety much

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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Sometimes stuff like TB 3 that can also be beneficial to normal customers

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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yeah but you dont need such a board for TB3

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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But TB3 pcie extension card is usually cheaper than going for higher tier tb3 mobo

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Also the fact that z590 TB3 is usually only on 470+ mobos

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It gives you bit better lab and stuff, but if you don’t want to oc, or do some other specific stuff like using quadro, higher end mobos are pretty much pointless.

halcyon moss Apr 22, 2021, 9:32 AM

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so why did you pick it?

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:32 AM

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halcyon moss so why did you pick it?

Because I want to OC mainly, also wifi 6e, and few things. Sadly no TB3 too, not that I had use for it atm

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Has nice OC features like safe boot button, better memory traces, numeral display to show errors, useless number of VRMs which is useless...

halcyon moss Apr 22, 2021, 9:33 AM

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ah makes sense, io guess wifi 6e cards are still pricy

hard thicket Apr 22, 2021, 9:41 AM

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found my endgame

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:49 AM

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Pog

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Amd Radeon 7900 48gb

proper crystal Apr 22, 2021, 9:51 AM

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That's not a thing, ikaS.

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:51 AM

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I know lul

proper crystal Apr 22, 2021, 9:51 AM

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It's GeForce 7900 GTX.

proper crystal Apr 22, 2021, 9:52 AM

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shadow minnow I know <:lul:576475280303063096>

I figured, but you never know with old stuff, what people might be misremembering.

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:52 AM

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Wait is it really 7900? Did I just guess the numbers lul

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 9:52 AM

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He's to young and incapable of remembering

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:52 AM

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True lul

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My long term memory bad

proper crystal Apr 22, 2021, 9:52 AM

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Look under "WinFast". Also GeForce 7 had this style of coolers.

hard thicket Apr 22, 2021, 9:52 AM

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found another one

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mx200 lmaoo

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that shit is older than half the community here

shadow minnow Apr 22, 2021, 9:53 AM

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shadow minnow My long term memory bad

And also focus on anything I should remember lul

pale sigil Apr 22, 2021, 9:53 AM

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Bitch

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You were probably in dipers