#🔌│tech | Wooting | Page 984

crisp granite Apr 16, 2021, 8:42 PM

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GPUs are better than ever

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price and performance for the price

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but...not at scalped rates

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MSRP or bust

pale sigil Apr 16, 2021, 8:43 PM

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my 3080 could have been worse

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xD

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833 isn't good but it s a lot better than 1000

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or 950

crisp granite Apr 16, 2021, 8:44 PM

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950 for a 3080 isn't bad

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950 CAD

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not pounds

pale sigil Apr 16, 2021, 8:44 PM

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pounds

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xD

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oh

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right

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xD

crisp granite Apr 16, 2021, 8:45 PM

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I mean

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RTX 3080s were supposed to start at 950-1100 CAD

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but stores are currently scalping them for two hundred or more above the actual MSRP

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like seriously, they launched at about 950 for the budget models, but rn the same card (Assus TUF) is sitting at 1.2k

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 2:08 AM

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the price did actually increase

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thanks to tariff man

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 2:39 AM

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Scalpers didn't exactly help that.

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Scalpers don't usually charge scalper prices in store

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 3:37 AM

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No, but all of the cards are gone because of them, we ran into a 2 steps forward one step back kinda deal.

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Even with the fucked tariff and global shortage/higher demand the RTX 3070 should not be going for $2000 AUD...

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Plenty of cards on ebay, they're literally everywhere.

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I could easily part together a mining rig from ebay that generates $500,000 a year, it's just fucked scalper prices.

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I literally purchased this card last week for $1500 from this site.

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And here we go, something even shittier.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 3:52 AM

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young pecan I literally purchased this card last week for $1500 from this site.

BRUH

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that price is not right at all

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 3:58 AM

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Welcome to the world right now.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 3:58 AM

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kms

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still trying to get an RTX 3060ti for my pa

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I could buy one rn, for $1000 CAD

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fuck no

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 3:59 AM

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I’d offer to snipe you a Gaming Trio for $1600...

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But y’know, that’s still shit unless you’re me mining crypto.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:00 AM

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true

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I'm not mining crypto, and neither is my pa

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:00 AM

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Best cards I’ve seen so far for price are Gigabyte Gaming OCs.

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Still going for around $1400 atm.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:00 AM

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BRUH

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not even kidding, getting any RTX 3000 card for less than double msrp is impossible

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:00 AM

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Why do you think I tried to snipe 3 of them?

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Not letting that pass up, I smell the blood in the water and I know what’s coming.

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Might make me an awful person, but holy fucking shit bruh. 2 grand is not ok for a 3070. Fuck that.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:01 AM

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yeah

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I don't know what the scalpers are thinking

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:02 AM

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Scalpers are parasites.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:02 AM

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no one is gonna buy a GPU for more than they can make mining with it in 6 months

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:02 AM

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crisp granite but stores are currently scalping them for two hundred or more above the actual ...

most stores arent scalping, AIBs are scalping

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:02 AM

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true

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MSI specifically raised the price of the very GPU I got rn by $100

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dogeKek

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:03 AM

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@crisp granite Not true. My expected ROI is 7 to 9 months.

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:03 AM

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1.2k CAD for a 3080tuf is pretty decent given it seems to be 1.2k USD in a decent amount of US stores

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:03 AM

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...

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fair

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still

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:03 AM

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Taking it anyway because I know prices are going up and supply is only going down.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:03 AM

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they were less than $1k CAD at launch

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a 20% price increase isn't worth it to me

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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they still sell like hotcakes

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:04 AM

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It is if you mine with it.

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wesmart

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:04 AM

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true

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:04 AM

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or 1.1k USD, idk what it was, but it's like 1.35k CAD or smth yet sold for 1.2k CAD. Still crap cuz should be less then 1k, but eh

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:04 AM

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but I bought my GPU for gaming only

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:04 AM

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Even off time mining can still drop that card by a realistic 60%.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:04 AM

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mining just isn't my cup of tea

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:04 AM

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And it does no real damage to the card.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:04 AM

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even then

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power costs where I am would eat up any profits

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:05 AM

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Literally no.

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:05 AM

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unless you are running on your own gasoline generator, probably not

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:05 AM

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If the power cost is $1 USD per KW/h, which is fucking insane, nowhere is that high, you still make money.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:06 AM

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naw

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:06 AM

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Yes actually.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:06 AM

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.07 per KW/H iirc

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for me

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:06 AM

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I run at a 3rd that, about half of what you do.

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Consume maybe $1 AUD/24h.

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Generate $6 USD.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:06 AM

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hm

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still

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that to me makes little sense

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and one more thing

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:07 AM

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Even for you you’d be sitting at net profit of $3 USD a day minimum.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:07 AM

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I sleep within 9 metres of my PC

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:07 AM

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Run for months and it chips away at the card cost, brings it back down to actual MSRP. ._.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:07 AM

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I don't want to be unable to sleep because of that

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:07 AM

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3080 with proper optimization consumes like 120w on mining

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:08 AM

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Basically that.

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:08 AM

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fans dont need to spin that fast

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:08 AM

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I can barely sleep most of the time already

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:08 AM

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Quiet, cool, and free stonks.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:08 AM

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hm

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my card is basically inaudible at full load

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kinda insane

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:08 AM

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My 3070 uses 125W at 50c, I don’t even hear the fan spin.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:08 AM

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hits 63 at max

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and that's with absolutely no tuning

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:08 AM

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Core underclocked, memory overclocked.

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62MH/s or so.

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It’d be a trivial matter to make an MSI Afterburner profile to just turn on mining when you sleep.

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If nothing else it’d pay for power.

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One less bill to pay, y’know?

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:09 AM

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at worst, it's a heater that you can run for free

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:10 AM

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I don't want a heater rn

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it's already too hot

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it's not subzero all day anymore

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:10 AM

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Can tell you from experience it won’t do much.

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If you’re 9 metres from the PC then the internal room volume is way higher than needed for cool operation over a 10 hour period.

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Might see raised ambient temps by 3 or 4 degrees.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:11 AM

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and that would make me uncomfortable

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I sweat in 15 degrees, dude

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:11 AM

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raised eyebrow

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The fuck?

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Human biology doesn’t even do that.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:11 AM

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I'm cold weather

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:11 AM

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We sweat at 27 or so.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:11 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:11 AM

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cold sweat is possible

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:11 AM

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Evolved for around 23.

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:12 AM

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pretty sure I've done it once or twice before too

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:12 AM

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I can handle subzero in a sweater, easily

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-10 or below is a jacket

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:12 AM

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No shit.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:12 AM

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thermal gear in -20

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I just don't do warm weather at all

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:13 AM

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I can handle -5c in Africa during 2am safari expeditions with a jacket.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:13 AM

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and I already find my room quite warm as it is

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:13 AM

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I’m also fine in 23.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:13 AM

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not gonna heat it up even more

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:13 AM

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open the window

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:13 AM

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no

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:13 AM

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That too.

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Or a door.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:13 AM

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hm

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:13 AM

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Literally any airflow whatsoever and you’ll see no change in temps.

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It’d only even be after 4 or so hours before you even notice.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:14 AM

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I don't like opening my window because my neighbors like to chainsmoke cigs

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and I'm usually downwind

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:14 AM

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Door in your house?

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Crack it slightly?

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:14 AM

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lots of those

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sure

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:14 AM

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Then no issue.

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Regular airflow will deal with any heat buildup.

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There’s literally no reason to not mine.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:15 AM

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there is one

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:15 AM

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Beyond ethical reasons, at least.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:15 AM

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I'm way too fucking lazy to set it up

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:15 AM

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I can send you a software package that’s click and run?

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:15 AM

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and I feel like I'm contributing to the issue if I do

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so I won't

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:15 AM

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What issue? Mining runs global science atm.

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Biggest supercomputer on earth.

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:16 AM

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mining barely makes a dent in terms of GPU supply issues rn

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:16 AM

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I know

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:16 AM

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Plus, as I said, it’s literally used to further science.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:16 AM

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it's mostly insane consumer demand this time around

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:16 AM

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How is that not good?

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More science more good.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:16 AM

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yes

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but...

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ok

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ready for me to sound like someone with mental issues?

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:17 AM

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For sure.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:17 AM

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I don't trust the world around me, I will not leave my PC unattended

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I will not use my PCs computing power for something I don't understand

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:17 AM

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Even though blockchain style systems are unbreakable with any current means?

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Even using the combined might of crypto hashing you can’t do it.

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Assuming every single PC on earth was slaved together it still wouldn’t be enough hashing power.

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Assuming you have a local drive that isn’t changing the details once every few minutes.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:18 AM

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I don't trust others, and I don't want to sit on something I don't understand or has solid value to everyone

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:19 AM

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Then go learn how it works...?

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:19 AM

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its actually extremely easy to understand how the blockchain works if you understand what a hash algorithm is

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:19 AM

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It’s surprisingly simplistic.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:19 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I don't understand

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and tbh

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I really don't want to learn rn

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half drunk and quite tired

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:19 AM

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rolls eyes It’s worth learning.

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Open a tab for later, yeah?

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:19 AM

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with burns on my hands from making pizza

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sure

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:19 AM

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its such a crazy amount of money lel

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Ikr.

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Fuck, having 140 RTX 3070s in 8 mining rigs literally makes as much as a neurosurgeon every year.

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$500,000 AUD or so.

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:20 AM

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its honestly dumb

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literally its possible for a single wall outlet to make minimum wage here

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:21 AM

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^

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:21 AM

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young pecan Fuck, having 140 RTX 3070s in 8 mining rigs literally makes as much as a neurosu...

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young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:21 AM

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2 plugs, 6000W here, enough to run enough to make $100,000 a year.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:21 AM

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and bite the bullet of 1500 per card

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:21 AM

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$200,000 startup.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:22 AM

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to make 500000 aussie dollars a year

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Use doubling schemes and you can use cards to buy cards, within 4 years of it you’re done.

edgy hull Apr 17, 2021, 4:22 AM

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yeah, but only every so often. Had a mining craze for a bit, then waited two years, then got another mining craze. It's not like it's that constant

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Kinda sorta.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:22 AM

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I mean

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the world just jumps from one mining craze to another

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gold

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:22 AM

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now that govs are actually starting to have bitcoin accounts its kind of a big deal

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:22 AM

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It’d go from 500,000 to 300,000 per year.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:22 AM

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then black opal

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then crypto

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my fossil brain can't keep up

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Mm, but Crypto isn’t going away ever.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:23 AM

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true

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but at the same time

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:23 AM

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It’s slaving millions of GPUs together to make a supercomputer.

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Extremely valuable to everyone.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:23 AM

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I doubt it'll replace hard currency

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:23 AM

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its a veeeeeeeery slow supercomputer lel

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think its like 100 operations every second?

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:24 AM

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What hard currency? Any fiat currency has the same worth as any crypro.

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We don’t trade in gold anymore.

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Not outside of the big players.

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:24 AM

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usd and euro are both under 50% hard backed

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:24 AM

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Dogecoin is actually more valuable than the Japanese Yen at the moment.

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:24 AM

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well no

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:24 AM

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there's also the "I got the bill in my hand"

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:24 AM

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Per unit it is.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I can see the money get spent

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kinda thing

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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thats not how it works aeon

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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I know, I know.

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Hard backed gives it intrinsic material worth.

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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thats like saying dogecoin is worth more than the us cent

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uh

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you arent wrong but thats not what matters at all

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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unless a mint starts making dogecoin bills and people start accepting them as legal tender for goods and services, I won't adopt

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I'll leave everyone else to make bank on it till then

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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would you use a credit card?

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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honestly, most of the time

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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there you go

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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hard pass on credit

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:26 AM

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Lmao

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:26 AM

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I'll use it when I need to

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:26 AM

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Yeah, missed opportunity for you, then.

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:26 AM

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i mean like a bank card at all

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also its best to always have more money on hand than you have available to spend

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cause id prefer to go in debt than to not get healthcare

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tho i live in the us

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where thats a decision to be made

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:26 AM

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true, but careful planning and not being a dumbass also helps

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and I don't live in the US

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:27 AM

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thatll help alot lel

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:27 AM

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taxes cover healthcare for me

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:27 AM

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look at you with your "healthcare"
and your "taxes"

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:27 AM

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I know

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slave to the system and all that bullshit

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:28 AM

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young pecan Yeah, missed opportunity for you, then.

I'm a creature of habit

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if I don't see the money in my hand

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my dumb ass will see no limit

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I'll dig myself into a hole

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so, glad I can at least avoid that for now

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:29 AM

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Grow around that...?

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Pretty crippling thing to have.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:29 AM

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I did...kinda grow around that

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:29 AM

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like you really cant carry more than $1k around with you safely

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actually

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:30 AM

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If you can't hold it therefore it has less worth? Idk dude.

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:30 AM

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crypto lel

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:30 AM

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young pecan If you can't hold it therefore it has less worth? Idk dude.

to me...kinda?

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:30 AM

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Yeah, that's ass backwards.

astral haven Apr 17, 2021, 4:30 AM

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crypto you literally can carry around a ton of money in your pocket if you have a phone

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:30 AM

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I'm not even 30 and already feel old, antiquated

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I got the mindset of someone from 50 years ago

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holy shit

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:31 AM

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Yep.

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You gotta do something about that.

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If you don't the world is gonna bend you over and you won't see it coming.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:31 AM

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I'll try to break my bass ackwards thinking since it's only gonna kill me in...10 years at most, when hard currency goes the way of the dodo in the western world

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:32 AM

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Mmm.

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I'd think 20 to 40 years.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:32 AM

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hard money will still spend in the developing world though

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at least a good several decades longer

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:32 AM

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Bad idea.

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Just embrace digital life.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:32 AM

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I'm gonna have to at some point

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:33 AM

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It's coming and nothing is able to stop it short of global destruction.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:33 AM

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I'll ease into it while I still can

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 4:33 AM

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Might well be one and the same though, we'll have to see.

crisp granite Apr 17, 2021, 4:33 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 9:25 AM

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Any chance of i9 11900k going under 500€ next two months? See it for a really good price somewhere atm

wheat plume Apr 17, 2021, 9:25 AM

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Never thought I'd see steins gate in a techmoan video

Screenshot_2021-04-17-10-22-04-507_com.vanced.android.youtube.jpg

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But I love it

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 9:37 AM

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0 chance they will drop 11th gen pricing at all

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It sells above msrp for the most part, which would be around 550, there is no way it drops below 500 with alder laker coming in q3/4

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 9:41 AM

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Really thinking about ordering this atm

woven dagger Apr 17, 2021, 9:41 AM

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hmm

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 9:43 AM

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Some do, there are cheaper ones, but going for some features. But z590 and x570s are usually going for minimum 200€

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 9:44 AM

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Yes you can go that high, not needed though, got mine for 120 for example

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And low end goes even lower in case you really only need bare minimum

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Yeah, basically if you don’t wanna OC much, you can get mobo for quite cheap, usually higher price just comes with some gimmick features and some useful stuff for OC

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 10:23 AM

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also just incase you still seriously think about buying 11th gen for gaming lul

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTzprum-zWM

YouTube

Actually Hardcore Overclocking

Rambling about intel 11th gen, 10th gen, Z590 and buying CPUs. Apri...

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shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 11:29 AM

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Now I really only lack GPU, Time to start hunting 3080 aorus waterforce wb, alth if 3080 ti releases soon, would rather get that

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Should I buy some budget cpu air cooler while waiting for GPU and run on iGPU?

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 11:55 AM

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peepoGiggle I can't help but laugh when I see you spend a grand just to run on an igpu

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 11:59 AM

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lul

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It was not that much, although if I count ram and ssd it was even more lul

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Overpriced CPU ☑️
Overpriced SSD ☑️
Overpriced mobo ☑️
lul

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I mean, I did not go for z590 xtreme lul

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“Just” master lul

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:03 PM

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meanwhile my cpu+board+cooler cost less than just your cpu and performs better in games WeirdChamp

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:03 PM

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@shadow minnow 3080Ti is almost certain to not release.

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Confirmed 3080Ti chips have been located in 3090s recently. GN did a video on it.

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:04 PM

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https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-ventus-3x-12gb-spotted-during-transit BlueBreadThinking

VideoCardz.com

WhyCry

MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Ventus 3X 12GB spotted during transit - Vid...

MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Ventus 3X 12GB OC It seems that manufacturers have already begun shipping GeForce RTX 3080 Ti to distribution centers. A shipment of new MSI graphics cards is heading to Los Angeles. Large boxes with GeForce RTX 3080, RTX 3090, Radeon RX 580, and even GeForce GT 710 are heading to […]

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:04 PM

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Huh, that’s pretty cool.

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Why tf would they be using 3080Ti chips in 3090s, then?

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:05 PM

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2 reasons, either they decided to go with a different die sku for it, or they had the same crypto limiter in it as the 3060 and had to shuffe stuff around to make sure the new card gets chips with the new limiter

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at least thats my guess

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:06 PM

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young pecan <@!590931863951114260> 3080Ti is almost certain to not release.

Would even go for 3080 aorus waterforce wb if I could get it

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:06 PM

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I mean...

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If you check out umart and have a contact in Aus then there are a few 3070s in stock.

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No 3080s in all of Aus, tho.

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:07 PM

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Or also maybe because as long as 3090 demand is bigger than supply, no reason to make 3080 ti for them if it can be 3090

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:07 PM

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Mmmm, but the demand isn’t quite so high.

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:07 PM

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not really since there is no sudden demand spike so that would be terrible planing

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:07 PM

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young pecan No 3080s in all of Aus, tho.

The thing is that I am going for specific model, aorus waterforce wb because of waterblock and number of HDMI 2.1 ports

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:08 PM

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Why?

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Running a specific display setup?

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:08 PM

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Yes, going 4K 144

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:08 PM

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Ah.

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:08 PM

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One monitor for now, but planning to upgrade quite soon to two, and just one HDMI 2.1 would not be enough

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:08 PM

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Reason for integrated water block over open loop?

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Might be able to nab a 3090 that’d suit your needs?

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:09 PM

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young pecan Reason for integrated water block over open loop?

It’s not aio waterblock, it’s custom loop one

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Maybe would go for 3090 but the price... really don’t want to go much over 1200 if it would 3080 ti, including the waterblock price

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:10 PM

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sigh Damn shortage.

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:10 PM

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Yeah 😦

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:10 PM

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If you went with an MSI 3090 and mined on the off hours you could prolly drop the cost to around 60% in 6 or 7 months, if that somehow makes it better...?

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Kinda got nothing in good news on this one, sadly.

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:11 PM

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Hmm, maybe, if crypto prices don’t drop, also quiet high fees on crypto in my country afaik. But the main issue is I want to go for the waterforce wb card, which is a specific card

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:12 PM

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Mmm. Not sure if you’ll even be able to find one.

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:12 PM

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pepecry

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:12 PM

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mindfactory had it in stock yesterday kek

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what even is the msrp on that

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:13 PM

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I think sth around 1000$ not sure

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:14 PM

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so they add like 200€ for preinstalling a waterblock WeirdChamp

shadow minnow Apr 17, 2021, 12:15 PM

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ashen spindle so they add like 200€ for preinstalling a waterblock <:WeirdChamp:59677762418599...

It’s included on the GPU lul

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:15 PM

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yes, but a waterblock alone doesn't cost 300

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more like 100-150 from what im seeing here

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:25 PM

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young pecan If you went with an MSI 3090 and mined on the off hours you could prolly drop th...

also tbf, that only works if you can still mine ETH for that long, we might see a switch to PoS soon-ish

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and then idk if it's as profitable to mine something else

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maybe it'll make another coin valuable to mine

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:26 PM

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Very true.

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I expect EIP 1559 will make Etherium go down a few spots in the profit ladder.

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:27 PM

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iirc that one is planned for july but there have been talks and such about a light version coming sooner, which could start that before july already

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:28 PM

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Indeed.

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Eyeballing it.

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:29 PM

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and tbh I mostly want it sooner so nvidia gets stuck on a supply of their mining cards and can't use it kek

young pecan Apr 17, 2021, 12:31 PM

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I'm just waiting for the fallout.

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Might go very well for me, if I understand the tech correctly.

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 12:32 PM

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oh? what do you have planned

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 12:50 PM

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Anyone here any clue about decent non expensive cameras? just looking for something thats better then my phone to take tarantula pictures/videos i have pretty much no knowlage about camera/video equipment

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 12:55 PM

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define non expensive

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and what do you expect from a camera

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i'll always shill sony for video

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if you wanna spend $300 on a camera then a6000 is good

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REALLY good, in fact

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@shut vessel

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 1:09 PM

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650 euro on soney website

halcyon moss Apr 17, 2021, 1:53 PM

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buy used?

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i'm actually looking for a reasonable compact camera with a mic in

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g7x mark 2 we have right now doesnt have it, but the mark 3 is a lot more moneys

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:04 PM

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shut vessel 650 euro on soney website

buy used lol

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i'm surprised you're expecting advice on buying a brand new camera for the purpose you described

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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halcyon moss i'm actually looking for a reasonable compact camera with a mic in

again, sony anything

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i like my a6400

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:09 PM

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https://www.panasonic.com/middleeast/en/consumer/cameras-camcorders/camcorders/hc-v180.html

HC-V180 Camcorders - Panasonic Middle East

Explore the Panasonic HC-V180 - Camcorders - While you discover the sites or enjoy time with family, your footage is steady and clear thanks to 5-axis hand-shake detection. It's essential at the high zoom range and to counteract camera-shake. The handy 28mm Wide-Angle setting also gives you impressive landscapes and group photos.

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this might beenoiugh

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be enough

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:10 PM

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10 megapixels in 2021 lol

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might be okay for video but 10 megapixels for photos, lol

halcyon moss Apr 17, 2021, 2:11 PM

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a6400 new is about €1000 lol, lets see what the 2nd hand market does

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:11 PM

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probably around 500

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@shut vessel for the love of god DONT buy a camcorder if you want to take pics

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those have such low res sensors it's absurd

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:12 PM

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I have no knowlage about these thhings, just looking at a list with prices!

halcyon moss Apr 17, 2021, 2:13 PM

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2 available in NL, its a whole kit, ~1300

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Kinda needs to stay simple too.. point at thing... zoom in and out maybe

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:13 PM

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how much money are you willing to spend

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still haven't answered that one

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:13 PM

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halcyon moss 2 available in NL, its a whole kit, ~1300

wtf lol

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i bought mine brand new for 1k a couple of years ago

halcyon moss Apr 17, 2021, 2:14 PM

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was thinking about 400-500
does not need to do 4k video

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:14 PM

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do you want to take photos

halcyon moss Apr 17, 2021, 2:14 PM

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yup, the canon g7x MK2 does already do a great job imho at that

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:14 PM

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and what do you need it for again

halcyon moss Apr 17, 2021, 2:15 PM

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Indoor video, getting shots of houses/rooms

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and record ppl speaking

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:15 PM

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and your phone isn't enough for that.. huh

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let's see

halcyon moss Apr 17, 2021, 2:16 PM

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phones have terrible video compression :/

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:16 PM

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can't you set bitrate in settings?

halcyon moss Apr 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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not on my pixel 2xl.. lets check wife's s10

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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i think samsung lets you do that

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anyways, if you don't need 4k

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not sure if a5100 has mic in but

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nope it doesn't

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nvm

halcyon moss Apr 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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s10 can do hvec..and hdr10+
interesting... we would need to test this to see how that works

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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test that before buying a camera

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because it seems like a phone can do just fine for the purpose

halcyon moss Apr 17, 2021, 2:20 PM

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yup, good idea

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we could also try recording in 4k, and down sampling to 1080p

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:20 PM

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and keep hdr10 enabled so higher bitrate

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@shut vessel brother

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how much money are you willing to spend

ashen spindle Apr 17, 2021, 2:22 PM

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halcyon moss we could also try recording in 4k, and down sampling to 1080p

record 4k, AI upscale to 16k, down sample to 1k WeSmart

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:22 PM

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aah sorry was dealing with some stuff, 200 at most maybe?

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just needs to remain simple something that works for the avarage idiot that has no knowlage about this stuff

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Phone does a terrible job of taking nice pictures, certainly with lighting etc..

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:23 PM

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that.. limits the choice quite a bit

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Also have the problem that phone doesn't fit in narrow areas sadly..

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:24 PM

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i'm not sure if you can find anything with a big enough sensor for 200

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:25 PM

#

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This is phone quality

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:28 PM

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maybe sony rx100?

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quite a big sensor, could do well in low light

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:29 PM

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it's on sony website for 1300 euro o.0

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:29 PM

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the original rx100

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and please check used

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not brand new

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you're losing out on shitloads of value when looking for brand new

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Looking at a used site.. 800 euro o.0

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

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the original rx100

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not vii whatever

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probably quite bad battery life but i don't think that would concern you

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considering it's for pics at home

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Not seeing any sold

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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RX-100II maybe then

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should be just a bit more expensive but no more than 200

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:32 PM

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I'll take look at it some other time when i can sit infront of the pc and dig through this used thingy

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i'll write down the number, thank you:)

misty saffron Apr 17, 2021, 2:33 PM

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pro tip for your use case: look for big sensor and an adequate resolution

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bigger sensor captures more light

shut vessel Apr 17, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Thts good to know, i'll take a look, light isn't always the best here

zenith sonnet Apr 18, 2021, 12:06 PM

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/

Statista

Electricity prices by country 2020 | Statista

The cheapest electricity in the world was three cents per kWh, while the cost of electricity in German was nearly 13 times higher.

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Yay, we overtook Denmark for the highest prices in the world

reef patrol Apr 18, 2021, 12:07 PM

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MonkaChrist

halcyon moss Apr 18, 2021, 12:13 PM

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closing those nuclear plants was a good idea

zenith sonnet Apr 18, 2021, 12:15 PM

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10/10 idea

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But what's even worse is our government not being able to paddle back and admit fault

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The second problem being the massive subsidies on solar panels they handed out years ago
Which still add like 6c to the price even today, that of course the average consumer has to pay

wheat plume Apr 18, 2021, 12:19 PM

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I just discovered the blur_edges MPV script and I love it <3 The default blur power made playback laggy but I change it from 10 to 5 and its super smooth now

dull rampart Apr 18, 2021, 12:26 PM

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zenith sonnet The second problem being the massive subsidies on solar panels they handed out y...

who would've thought subsidising green energy would increase energy prices 🤔

young pecan Apr 18, 2021, 1:02 PM

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Honestly, can we all just do nuclear combined with renewable while we work out Fusion or Algae biofuel?

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I'm so goddamn done with people apeing about Nuclear being bad.

cursive summit Apr 18, 2021, 1:12 PM

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Does anyone know what this is?

reef patrol Apr 18, 2021, 1:15 PM

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https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/27233/intel-core-duo-processor-t2300-2m-cache-1-66-ghz-667-mhz-fsb.html

Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2300 (2M Cache, 1.66 GHz, 667 MHz FSB) ...

Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2300 (2M Cache, 1.66 GHz, 667 MHz FSB) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

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First line my dude xD

cursive summit Apr 18, 2021, 1:15 PM

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Ah okey 😄

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Looks very ancient

reef patrol Apr 18, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Oh you know... 2006

sudden glacier Apr 18, 2021, 1:25 PM

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imagine being alive in 2006

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old people

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\s

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probably the average age of this discord now

reef patrol Apr 18, 2021, 1:25 PM

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bcaBeautifulCry

crimson wigeon Apr 18, 2021, 1:29 PM

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Drue

wheat plume Apr 18, 2021, 1:38 PM

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I like this concept video
https://youtu.be/wzepp5dtnIE

YouTube

Also Vague!

My old Windows 11 concept

this was the first time I've created a concept in PowerPoint.
I will try to make it better soon.....

▶ Play video

cursive summit Apr 18, 2021, 1:55 PM

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sudden glacier probably the average age of this discord now

Tbh with the fortnite thing, you prolly hit the nail right on its head lul

pale sigil Apr 18, 2021, 2:19 PM

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zenith sonnet https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countr...

My 0.29 meter wants a word with thst site + 50 service a day

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 2:21 PM

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blobhyperthinkfast

cursive summit Apr 18, 2021, 2:23 PM

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A what now

crimson wigeon Apr 18, 2021, 2:23 PM

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M1 killer Krappa

cursive summit Apr 18, 2021, 2:24 PM

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It's already an M1 killer with built-in RDNA2

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 2:25 PM

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yeah... because you want to compete on laptops with a phone chip

cursive summit Apr 18, 2021, 2:25 PM

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I'm guessing this is what the Samsung co-operation lead to

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 2:25 PM

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really

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samsung yea

cursive summit Apr 18, 2021, 2:25 PM

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Wait this is what they were working on?

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This is the Samsung AMD thing?

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 2:26 PM

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cursive summit Apr 18, 2021, 2:26 PM

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I mean fab aside, assuming Samsung had full cap

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So what was the Samsung thingy

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They were working together on

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 2:26 PM

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yea samsung totally pays for an IP to then not even use it on their own fabs

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the samsung deal is what samsung uses in the exynos 2100 successor

halcyon moss Apr 18, 2021, 4:02 PM

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zenith sonnet The second problem being the massive subsidies on solar panels they handed out y...

well invest in it now, and maybe even a battery might be worth it with these prices...

wheat plume Apr 18, 2021, 4:20 PM

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https://youtu.be/zwDoOHOAEnA this review kills me :')

YouTube

Tech Spurt

Disney Smartwatch For Kids | Vodafone Neo Review

Reviewing the Vodafone Neo, a Disney smartwatch designed for kids so they can keep in touch and you can keep tabs on them too. It's one of the best smart watches for children in 2021, offering a slick set of features, Disney character animations, GPS tracking, fitness tools and a camera. The Vodafone Neo is bound to keep your sprog entertained, ...

▶ Play video

shadow minnow Apr 18, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Based on the performance of GPU they claim, looks like it will be around a12-a14 performance

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Also, can’t even find PSU I was planning to go for in stock anywhere lul

vast moss Apr 18, 2021, 5:42 PM

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If it's anything with a relatively high wattage, good luck

shadow minnow Apr 18, 2021, 5:49 PM

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vast moss If it's anything with a relatively high wattage, good luck

Watercooling 11900k and 3080 so wanted to go 1000w, so yes. lul

vast moss Apr 18, 2021, 5:50 PM

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Oh, ok, yeah

shadow minnow Apr 18, 2021, 5:51 PM

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vast moss Oh, ok, yeah

Wanted to buy rm1000i but it just isn’t lul

pale sigil Apr 18, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Ffs xD https://clips.twitch.tv/SourSeductiveRingJonCarnage-sukH8qhzc6iv71dW

Twitch

SuopOnTwitch - New hot tub META

Watch SuopOnTwitch's clip titled "New hot tub META"

▶ Play video

zenith sonnet Apr 18, 2021, 6:11 PM

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shadow minnow Wanted to buy rm1000i but it just isn’t <:lul:576475280303063096>

I have one I don't use any more

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:p

shadow minnow Apr 18, 2021, 6:19 PM

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zenith sonnet I have one I don't use any more

Corsair rm1000i? 👀

zenith sonnet Apr 18, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Yeah, that one

astral haven Apr 18, 2021, 11:04 PM

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ashen spindle yea samsung totally pays for an IP to then not even use it on their own fabs

Samsung manufacturers shit on tsmc

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But you are right in this case, amd does own an arm license and has had it for a few years

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Remember for antitrust reasons samsung electronics and samsung foundry are separate companies that just have very nice deals with each other

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:06 PM

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yeah I know they use tsmc and not just their own fabs, but to invest in a multi year deal to license the RDNA IP for mobile chips int he exynos cpus and then not make sure to optimize them for their own node, where they have much more options to adjust things, would just money wasting

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that product would not be an "amd ryzen" chip, at least no the first gen for PR reasons alone

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hell this could be something born from jim kellers time at amd as he was on one side working on an ARM chip

astral haven Apr 18, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Nope

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Jim made a custom arm core

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These are all generic

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I know who the customer for this could be

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Valve

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Valve is working on a fully wireless index successor

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And uh

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:08 PM

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ok, I wasn't specific enough, I didn't mean thats his cpu child, more along the lines of amd having worked on arm there and probably someone thinking they could combine it to some degree

astral haven Apr 18, 2021, 11:09 PM

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🤷 that's amd in general now

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I mean Jim I suppose gets credit for telling all the engineers to make everything modular

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But eh?

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:10 PM

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yeah, just saying it could be something based on an older idea that sparked this product, maybe nothing with jim, it's just the last time we know there was some big arm thing at amd going on

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main point: this is nothing with samsung but very interresting

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wireless index I could see, would be cool

astral haven Apr 18, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Couldn't be an index standalonr

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Index requires base stations for the ultra precise tracking

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:11 PM

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wait are you now arguing against your own point? xD

astral haven Apr 18, 2021, 11:12 PM

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I said valve standalone

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I'd be hoping for something more affordable than the index that is almost as good

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Maybe a higher contrast panel

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:13 PM

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ok im still confused, are you saying it would be something for a standalone or for a non standalone lol

astral haven Apr 18, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Valve standalone, but not index

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Index 2 would be what I'd want to buy, but it better not have a cpu inside

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This soc would be for a standalone headset, probably with camera tracking and linux

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:15 PM

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ahh gotcha, I just assumed Index is what they'd call their own things they make without HTC, be it standalone or index2, idk what the naming convention on that is xD

astral haven Apr 18, 2021, 11:15 PM

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Think like rift vs quest

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Rift is index

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Quest is standalone

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:16 PM

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yeye, I just assumed they would call it Index 2/Index wireless/index standalone etc.

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idk

astral haven Apr 18, 2021, 11:16 PM

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That would make me very sad

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:16 PM

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peepoShrug dont really care what its called

astral haven Apr 18, 2021, 11:16 PM

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Cause then it would likely be too expensive to recommend

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Cause I'm not interested for me

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I want flagship

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:17 PM

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I mean, I could still see them put the Index name on a budget version

astral haven Apr 18, 2021, 11:17 PM

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I want something I can recommend people to play half life alyx on

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Eh

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Maybe

young pecan Apr 18, 2021, 11:33 PM

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VR only really gets to the stage of awesome when you start frankenquesting shit together.

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Planning Vive Cosmos with Index 2.0 stations/tracking/controllers, eventual next gen Reverb core switch.

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Run that shit through a 3090 or something insane, no performance drops in anything, pls.

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Biggest issue though is getting a headband that isn't awful.

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The Reverb has a nice one, but it's annoying to just stick any other core onto it when you can't justify 2 grand on a headset. Cosmos isn't far behind but the headset is just awful.

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:43 PM

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if we start talking about frankensteining, wouldn't a pimax make more sense than a cosmos for higher FoV?

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guess that would depend on what the main focus is on (fov, resolution, overall HMD quality etc.)

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still hope pimax or another vendor can snatch oculus dominance just so facebook loses out

true quest Apr 18, 2021, 11:52 PM

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not having your head hang low from the added weight

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which i suppose you could use as neck exercise

ashen spindle Apr 18, 2021, 11:53 PM

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just play more pistol whip and you get much more neck exercise in and get used to it KEKW

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:15 AM

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@ashen spindle Yeah, the only reason not to go for that crazy headset is the weight.

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It’s just so damned heavy, even with a reverb strap it wears you down quickly.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:16 AM

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all of them? wasn't necessarily thinking about the 8k verison, even lower ones have higher fov and a reasonable resolution to be rendered at

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idk the weight of any of them tbh

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Weeeeeeell...

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:17 AM

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did not think of that but that makes sense

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:17 AM

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If you're making the ultimate Frankenquest it makes sense, no?

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:17 AM

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I guess 😛

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but if we consider 3090 limitation I'd go with one that can actually be handled with that

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:18 AM

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You could shoot for a Tesla GV100 or something.

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Pretty sure NVLink scales fairly well with most VR titles.

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60% more performance at the high end.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:18 AM

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nvlink should, but idk if the card itself is that great for it

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:19 AM

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GV100 is an upgraded Titan V, if memory serves me correctly.

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Ampere.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:19 AM

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it's volta, I dont think the fp32 doubling was on that already?

true quest Apr 19, 2021, 12:19 AM

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default quest hurts after an hour of play

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:19 AM

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which is the biggest boost ampere has for higher resolutions

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:20 AM

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Hmmm.

true quest Apr 19, 2021, 12:20 AM

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tried many strap positions, it don't matter

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:20 AM

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Wait, did the Titan V have NVLink?

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:21 AM

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dont think so

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:21 AM

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Mmm.

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But the RTX Titan does.

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48GB of VRAM.

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Decentish performance gain.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:22 AM

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yeah rtx titan had it but I think V doesnt

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 12:25 AM

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young pecan GV100 is an upgraded Titan V, if memory serves me correctly.

GV100 is the chip. V100 is the "card".
Just like GA100 is the chip and A100 is the product.

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:25 AM

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My bad.

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Been a good long while since I’ve really looked into it.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:26 AM

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tbf they do call it "Quadro GV100"

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Probably what I was remembering.

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Huh, so they did both.

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V100 was the datacenter product.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:26 AM

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yeah its a bit unclear bc they do mix it up here and there

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:26 AM

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sigh Nvidia and their confusing ass naming schemes.

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Just... use something standard? It’s not hard.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:27 AM

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no can do, gotta go the leather jacket™ special route

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:27 AM

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3000, 3100, 3200, 3300, etc. Throw the use in front of it dependant on generation.

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Datacenter Quadro 3400.

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Not that hard.

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Make datacenter cards come with higher VRAM because y’know... that be the use.

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Just repeat that naming convention across the whole generation. Different cards for different purposes. Keep 2 or 3 series within a generation with the same tiering.

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 12:29 AM

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But usually, Gx-10y is the name of the die. The "x" is for architecture (K - Kepler, M - Maxwell, etc), "y" for size (the lower, the bigger chip it is). Sometimes they also have 20y or 11y dies which is like a "+" uarch or a dieshrink (Kepler had 208, Fermi had 110)

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:30 AM

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I see no reason that can’t be adapted.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:30 AM

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just pray we dont end up with monitor names as gpu names

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monkaS

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:30 AM

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Literally just have a public name and an in house name.

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 12:31 AM

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Well Nvidia is consolidating, kinda. Grid is basically dead, and Tesla is also gone and replaced with V100/A100 scheme.

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:31 AM

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Still stupid.

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You replace one stupid hat for another stupid hat.

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Stupid all around.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:31 AM

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quadro is also dead and now its just called "A1000"

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:31 AM

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But Quadro then doesn’t have a V1000 line?

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:31 AM

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A6000

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:31 AM

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So why Tesla?

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:31 AM

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already mixed it up lmao

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Yep.

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Stupid hat replaced with Next Gen Premium Stupid Hat 9000.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:32 AM

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A6000 and A40 .... like why

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Quadro is workstation line.

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 12:32 AM

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yeah but the name quadro is dead now

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Sure, but that doesn’t make the naming system any less moronic.

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Workstation, gaming, datacenter.

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The thing is, workstation and datacenter market is an educated market, so snazzy names matter less there.

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 12:33 AM

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Sure, that’s true.

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But y’know where it really does matter?

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When you try and develop a piece of software that isn’t fucked to search through.

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Search engines can fix it, yes.

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But really?

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We have to design search engines to sort through Nvidia’s stupidity with naming graphics cards?

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Instead of them making it easier on literally everyone and making one that works correctly in the first place?

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 12:36 AM

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I guess. I'd just search stuff by the die.

wheat plume Apr 19, 2021, 12:50 AM

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I made the gnome-shell super pretty :D by default its just a dark grey background but I made it a blurred image instead

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proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 2:45 AM

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Very cool. Should be default IMO.

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:48 AM

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Oh it’s beautiful.

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The new card has a fucking screen, omg.

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It’s so unnecessary.

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Little animation of an egg hatching while it boots.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:49 AM

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that

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is so over the top

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 2:49 AM

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gigabyte

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:50 AM

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They’re mining cards, calm down.

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Not using Gigabyte stuff for gaming, lmfao...

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:50 AM

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I tried talking my buddy out of getting one of these, telling him that the few hundred extra could be put somewhere else in the system

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but...

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getting any new GPU nowadays is kinda impossible

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:50 AM

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wesmart

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:51 AM

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so

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Aus prices for Gigabyte OC cards.

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They’re still $1300 AUD.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:51 AM

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I don't know the conversion of CAD to AUD

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is that good or bad pricing?

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hm

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:51 AM

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About the same between CAD and AUD.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:51 AM

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so

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well above MSRP

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but if you're mining on them, you'll get your money back

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:52 AM

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Eventually.

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These systems should make about $400 USD in Etherium per month.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 2:52 AM

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~~alot quicker than should be possible~~

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:53 AM

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young pecan These systems should make about $400 USD in Etherium per month.

not bad tbh

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:53 AM

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ROI time of 7 or so months.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:53 AM

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I'm used to people talking about 9-12 month ROI

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so 7 months is pretty damn good mate

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:53 AM

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shrugs Overclock memory, undervolt core.

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Run Dedi OS 24/7.

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I’m using HiveOS, it’s easier for PXE usage than setting up shitloads of Linux.

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Means I can kinda just scale this up forever.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:55 AM

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so

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I assume you're gonna keep trying to get more RTX 3000 GPUs

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most likely 3060s, 3060Tis and 3070s

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Pretty much. Month or so for the next few 3070s unless I get lucky on investment or a loan.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:55 AM

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I doubt 3080s and 90s are good for mining

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Once I have the first 18 card rig up it’ll be a year and I dupe it again.

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3 doubling cycles and I make 200 grand/year.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:56 AM

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good luck getting 18 cards

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 2:56 AM

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3080 and 3090 are both profit in a year

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:56 AM

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^

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:56 AM

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wow

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well then

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 2:56 AM

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the most raw profit card is the 3090 even

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:56 AM

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It’s just 3070s are easier to start than 3090s.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:56 AM

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astral haven the most raw profit card is the 3090 even

not surprising

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Makes more sense to make 3090 rigs after you already have 20+ cards.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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I just thought the cost would eat up returns in a reasonable timeframe

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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the vii is the only thing that gets close

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Aight bois, Hive is coming back up.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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$3600 in a year untuned (3090)

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Man... I really need that goddamn PXE server running.

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Pog! It works.

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122Mh/s

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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3090s are gooooood shiz

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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astral haven $3600 in a year untuned (3090)

wait

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wait

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wut

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I can snag one at my local canada computers for $2200 CAD

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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well dont forget crypto can crash

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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if I can make over $4k CAD a year from one...

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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and your electricity is probably more expenssive than mine

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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astral haven well dont forget crypto can crash

then I have a great GPU I can either use or flip later

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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No shit.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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yup

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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Why do you think I'm leaping at mining?

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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my 3090 at this point has cost me $1200 down from the purchase price of 1800

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Oh nice.

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Mining off hours?

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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well then

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hm

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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yea i dont have it mine while im gaming

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or when its too hot in my room

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

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maybe I'll make a small 3 GPU rig

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I'll do the math tomorrow

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Tasty.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

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seven cents an hour

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POG

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Mhmm.

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Uses shit all in power compared to my generation.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

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like honestly

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

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btw the 3090 isnt the most efficient gpu to buy for mining
its just the most profitable single gpu

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:04 AM

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astral haven btw the 3090 isnt the most efficient gpu to buy for mining its just the most pro...

that's where my head was

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it's compute for price, not raw compute

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Iirc highest efficiency is still 1060 6GB, no?

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:04 AM

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compute for price i think goes to the 3060ti?

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no

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10606gb is unobtanium

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for a worth it price

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:04 AM

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No shit, but at MSRP.

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Iirc it's the best.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:04 AM

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I'll try to score some RTX 3070s...

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:04 AM

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at msrp the 3080 is way better

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:05 AM

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or 3080s

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idk

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I'll do the math tomorrow

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:05 AM

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kreygasm

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:05 AM

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3 1060 vs 1 3080

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:05 AM

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I just know that I can easily get 3090s not scalped too hard

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:05 AM

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mhmm.

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My original plan was 3090s, but it turns out that 3070s are oh so slightly better.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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not for me

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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That's more of a current PSU thing for me.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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they cost $1400 CAD

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if I'm lucky

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Can't afford a new PSU and GPUs at the same time.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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scalpers do like scalps

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Mine were upward of 1600 MSRP.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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and I want to scalp the scalpers

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Got scalped, but I'm fine with it.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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with an axe

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Pushes my ROI by a month, oh well.

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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anyway

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I'm gonna sleep

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gn

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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2 3070 is slightly more profit than 1 3090 for me

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but i dont want a 3070

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:07 AM

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Each of these cards literally does 2600Mhz memory overclock.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:07 AM

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god dual 2080ti is so much profit too

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:07 AM

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GDDR6 is fucking crazy...

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:07 AM

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whats that in mt/s

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:08 AM

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No idea.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:08 AM

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yea that number seems wrong

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:08 AM

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Not wrong.

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Checked, it literally is 2600Mhz.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:08 AM

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whats gpu-z

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say

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:08 AM

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Have to downclock the core by 500, tho.

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Make up for it.

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GPU-Z says 1300, but it's 2600 due to how RAM works.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:09 AM

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no

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gddr6x is x8

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gddr6 is x4

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:09 AM

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W8, is this card x or non?

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Google.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:10 AM

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3090 and 3080 are x

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Right, so it's non.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:10 AM

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wut

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uh

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3070?

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Is non x.

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As reported by various tools.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:10 AM

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5200 is really really low

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:10 AM

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shrugs Probably an algorithm thing, then.

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I still push 63Mh/s per card.

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That's about as high as one can push a 3070 safely.

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Ethash, specifically.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:11 AM

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stock 3070 memory clock is 1750mhz

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are you sure you werent looking at idle clock

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cause the clock does change with load

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:12 AM

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Under load.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:12 AM

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i assume you arent using windows so i dont know what tool you would use to check

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:13 AM

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HiveOS, it's Linux based.

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I do have a Windows SSD attached to the network, tho.

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Check on that, allows for more tools that don't suck to use.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:13 AM

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yea :/

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Can't fucking wait for my new mining board to arrive.

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Ugh, that'll be so much better to work with.

zenith sonnet Apr 19, 2021, 3:16 AM

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I should put my Radeon VII's up for sale
Some miner oughta pay 2000€ each for them, given how much they spend on other GPUs that are weaker

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:17 AM

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vii has a great imc but it just doesnt quite have the right compute to mine perfectly

zenith sonnet Apr 19, 2021, 3:18 AM

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I heard it can't even use all the bandwidth it has

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:18 AM

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yea thats the problem

zenith sonnet Apr 19, 2021, 3:18 AM

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But still can break 100 MH/s

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For mining Eth

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:18 AM

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its behind a 3080

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and uses the same amount of power

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thats solidly not bad

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but its also not worth mining for 2k

zenith sonnet Apr 19, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Doesn't a 3080 do like 60 MH/s only?

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:20 AM

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3080 left vii right

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the vii has a few more algs available cause fp64 but in the end ethereum (with dagger) is still the best

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https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator/nvidia-rtx-3080/amd-radeon-vii

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 3:21 AM

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With a VII, you really should dual min. With 3080 probably too.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:21 AM

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nah

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more power efficient to just tune one alg

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:22 AM

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@astral haven Any advice on 3070 mining Etherium? Using NBMiner/Ethash on Ethermine.

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In theory they should push 63-64Mh/s each basically forever, no?

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:22 AM

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i use nicehash because im lazy asf and need to use my computer 🤷‍♂️

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:23 AM

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Mmm, the issue I keep running into.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:25 AM

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dagger is what nicehash mines on a 3070, and its what nbminer seems to do according to reddit so seems fine

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:25 AM

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And given my cards stay around 61Mh/s, that seems about right.

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But I saw that one dude with a fully tuned setup and had each 3070 actually pushing 64Mh/s stable over a week.

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14 cards.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:26 AM

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wellll

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you can usually push it a bit but it can use alot more power to get that extra few mh

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:26 AM

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125W stable.

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Each, same as mine.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:27 AM

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oh wow

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impressive stuff

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:27 AM

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Ikr.

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I must have.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:29 AM

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this is me over a week with my 3090

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they are accepting a bit more than my normal mh/s

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hmm no

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there it is

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that probably includes downtime when im gaming tho

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Not bad!

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:32 AM

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that is 300w card power tho

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very minimally tuned

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:41 AM

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bruuuuuuh.

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Same day I get my new mining GPU i hit up Reddit and what do I find?

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A method by which I can update my iPhone to IOS 14.3, jailbreak it, and have more battery life.

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Fucking pog.

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Today is just going great for me.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:46 AM

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good shiz

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:47 AM

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:O

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And, I'm selling $600 worth of Dogecoin maybe.

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Fuck it, no more luck for the rest of the year.

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All of it right now.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:49 AM

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i really need to figure a safe way to get doge lel

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i really dont want to get involved with robinhood

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:50 AM

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I don't blame you.

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Robinhood is fucking scum.

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Ironic, considering the name.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:51 AM

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scum?

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:51 AM

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For some of the shit they do, yeah.

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Everything has good and bad, but Robinhood has enough for me to be leery.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:52 AM

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they just didnt know enough about how the stock market works to be involved in stocks

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:52 AM

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shrugs Indeed.

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But hey, don't throw enough money at something to become a major player only to fuck everyone else over and say nothing about it?

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:53 AM

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?

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:53 AM

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I should add, specifically with Doge.

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Not a fantastic method of obtaining it without going through RH.

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I mean c'mon, it was on it's way to high 70s, maybe $1 or over.

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Then everyone got locked and it capped at 50. :C

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:55 AM

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well i mean the entire crypto market has been ups and downs

young pecan Apr 19, 2021, 3:56 AM

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Mmmm.

#

Wondering if it'll crash atm, or if it's just fluctuating really hard.

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Ah well, it's not really like it matters much.

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Not much short of global powers aligning against it for a tactical regulation will stop it.

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 3:59 AM

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meh they are doing what they can for damage control

vast moss Apr 19, 2021, 8:18 AM

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I know this isn't quite tech, but it is STEM, so I figure this is a great place to ask.
I entered a debate with a friend about the answer to 6÷2(1+2); he says it's 1 and I say it's 9. We both agree that you start by substituting (1+2) for 3.
His idea going forward is that all of 2(1+2) is the denominator, so you multiply 2 by (1+2) first then divide 6 by that.
Mine is that because that's not enclosed in parenthesis, there's no reason to assume it's all the denominator, and multiplication and division have equal priority going left to right, so you divide 6 by 2 then multiply by 3 (as 2(1+2) is implied to be 2×(1+2)).

halcyon moss Apr 19, 2021, 8:21 AM

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devision and multiplication is usually on the same level, so it is in the order it is written in.
that said, its not clear what the order should be.

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Mine would be: 6/2(1+2) = 6/2(3) = 6/2*3 = 6/6 = 1

vast moss Apr 19, 2021, 8:23 AM

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Understandable. I say it's (6/2)*3). In that case, it's a syntax problem more than anything.

halcyon moss Apr 19, 2021, 8:23 AM

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syntax IS the problem here

fickle ore Apr 19, 2021, 8:23 AM

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6÷2(1+2) becomes 6/2(3) -> 3*(3) = 9

halcyon moss Apr 19, 2021, 8:24 AM

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Yup, might also work.. its totally unclear

vast moss Apr 19, 2021, 8:25 AM

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Yeah, it seems so. He states that most of his professors put everything to the right of the ÷ in the denominator (so 6/(2×3)), but with how I learned OoO, I am inclined not to (so (6/2)×3).

halcyon moss Apr 19, 2021, 8:26 AM

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Python3:
In [1]: 6/2*(1+2)
Out[1]: 9.0

fickle ore Apr 19, 2021, 8:26 AM

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(1+2) = (3) so you can't take the paratheses out after summing it up I think

halcyon moss Apr 19, 2021, 8:26 AM

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JS does the same.

fickle ore Apr 19, 2021, 8:28 AM

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If I have formed sulfuric acid from oxidation of sulfuric iron , is it anhydrous until it comes in contact with water? How does the formation of H2SO4 happens from above sequence (chemical reaction)? Is it first formed when atmospheric hydrogen is present, or does it need H2O? (rain) and how long it lasts as H2SO4 before it is hydrolyzed in water again?

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Can you answer mine?

misty saffron Apr 19, 2021, 8:32 AM

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Is it first formed when atmospheric hydrogen is present, or does it need H2O? (rain)

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not exactly seeing how you're going to get hydrogen ions without it being a solution

fickle ore Apr 19, 2021, 8:33 AM

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🙂

misty saffron Apr 19, 2021, 8:34 AM

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i used to be good at chem but school was a long time ago

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:(

vast moss Apr 19, 2021, 8:34 AM

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I haven't gotten that far in my own chem studies, unfortunately.

fickle ore Apr 19, 2021, 8:36 AM

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misty saffron `Is it first formed when atmospheric hydrogen is present, or does it need H2O? (...

You mean rain/humidity pooling up?

misty saffron Apr 19, 2021, 8:37 AM

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the sequence on picture has to happen in water

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otherwise even the first reaction would never happen

fickle ore Apr 19, 2021, 8:37 AM

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if so, what governs H2+ + SO42- -> H2SO4 formation and not the other way around, because sulfuric acid sucks all the water around it and hydrolyzes very easily

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well humidity (microscopical beads) is water on the surface of the soil

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FeS2 is the soil here 😉

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maybe this makes more sense? FeS + 9/4 O2 + 5/2 H2O → Fe(OH)3 + H2SO4

misty saffron Apr 19, 2021, 8:41 AM

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i wish i remembered how to answer that

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genuinely don't, sorry

fickle ore Apr 19, 2021, 8:41 AM

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No problem thanks anyway 🙂

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 11:11 AM

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Ask me in -4 years, before i dropped chemistry for coding kek

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But from what I remember water needs to be available for sulufuric acid to come out, as it supports the Ionisation instead of forming some sulfur gases

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Not as a catalyst but in that sort of way

fickle ore Apr 19, 2021, 11:51 AM

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How does it form if it readily dissolves again or is it a two-way reaction? Or is it dependant on the amount of sulphur vs hydrogen? If sulphur is available in abundance but with very little water, it should suck up that water and make sulfuric acid, but if the rate-limiting-step is the sulphur, should it not dissolve in the water if water is readily available? I had a discussion about this earlier.... What is the name of the solution if you have pure sulfuric acid + water in it. Is it still sulfuric acid even if it is of lower concentration and it's chemical composition is H3O + SO42-, since H2SO4 -> H+ + SO42-.

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H2O + H+ -> H3O

pale sigil Apr 19, 2021, 12:15 PM

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@ashen spindle isn't that basically the story of every coder/programmer

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Completely dropped something so far off

halcyon moss Apr 19, 2021, 12:34 PM

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I have a hard time understanding that last sentence

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 1:24 PM

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Well looks like the 🇬🇧 are at it again

#

They seem to not be ok with the arm acquisition by Nvidia

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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proposed-acquisition-of-arm-limited-by-nvidia-corporation-public-interest-intervention

GOV.UK

Proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA Corporation: public i...

Notice relating to the proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA Corporation.

halcyon moss Apr 19, 2021, 1:25 PM

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it kinda makes sense

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Yes, I’m just surprised they they are smart enough to realize that KEKW

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Politicians aren’t really versed in the nuances of the tech world and Nvidia is good at telling how it will be all alright

cursive summit Apr 19, 2021, 1:39 PM

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Tbh I support UK saying no lul

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Better to nationalize than to privatize

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Just saber rattling for a couple more fake jobs at Cambridge. They'll budge. Obviously.

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 2:13 PM

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cursive summit Better to nationalize than to privatize

Who can nationalize ARM?
It's owned by the Japanese, most IP is developed in France and the US.
Cambridge is a joke.

zenith sonnet Apr 19, 2021, 2:37 PM

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cursive summit Better to nationalize than to privatize

Wish German politicians would realise

zenith sonnet Apr 19, 2021, 2:38 PM

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proper crystal Who can nationalize ARM? It's owned by the Japanese, most IP is developed in Fra...

It would be possible
Would it make sense, though?

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I don't think so

proper crystal Apr 19, 2021, 2:39 PM

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Yeah, nationalization is even dumber than Nvidia buying it.

pale sigil Apr 19, 2021, 7:19 PM

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like

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why does the uk even get a say

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in an american company

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 7:23 PM

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.. because arm is not am american company?

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aside from international trade laws, anti monopoly regulations etc.

pale sigil Apr 19, 2021, 7:24 PM

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ye but surely having one country have an issue means nothing right

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such as the UK

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like what are they gonna do

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 7:24 PM

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you know arm is originally from the UK and they have still many jobs there?

pale sigil Apr 19, 2021, 7:24 PM

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nope xD

crisp granite Apr 19, 2021, 7:28 PM

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pale sigil such as the UK

the brits are at it again?

astral haven Apr 19, 2021, 9:10 PM

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Arm is UK, it's one of their only major tech holdings

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They really don't want to lose it

reef tundra Apr 19, 2021, 9:12 PM

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Acorn RISC Machine, was its name in the good old days

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 9:14 PM

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given the more recent financial decision by the uk government.. give it time and they take a deal that they think is good but in reality isn't kek

ashen spindle Apr 19, 2021, 9:34 PM

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also tbf it seems like jensen said he expects the merge to be done in 2022 so I guess this isn't really delaying things yet

crisp granite Apr 20, 2021, 1:44 AM

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ashen spindle given the more recent financial decision by the uk government.. give it time and...

haha, spoken like you've watched it happen before

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Trudeau is an absolute joke

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 1:44 AM

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There is no benefit to the uk to sell to nvidia

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Zero whatsoever

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And apparently there are demerits

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So

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Unlikely to have it happen

crisp granite Apr 20, 2021, 1:46 AM

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this was a case of mr leather jacket man flying too close to the sun then?

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asking too much?

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Meh

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They have an arm license

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Only reason to buy arm is if they have an idea to make it profitable

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They just won't be able to do it for now

frozen vale Apr 20, 2021, 2:00 AM

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Nvidia can definitely start turning those screws though and I imagine it will take quite some time to bail to a different architecture if its possible depending on application

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:03 AM

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Nvidia is already using arm

frozen vale Apr 20, 2021, 2:04 AM

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I meant everyone else

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:04 AM

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And since they have the top tier license, they can make their own arm designs

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:04 AM

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astral haven And since they have the top tier license, they can make their own arm designs

This is true for any arm customer tho

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:06 AM

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I mean... The obvious play of Nvidia is to outcompete AMD.

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That's literally why they spend so much on Mellanox and why they're trying for ARM.

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They want their own CPUs.

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Again.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:07 AM

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Eh amd isn't a proper competitor to melanox yet

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The target is intel

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:07 AM

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No, but that's why Nvidia purchased them.

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Better tech so they can assure future wins.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:08 AM

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Amd doesn't do networking beyond the chip internal level

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:08 AM

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Given the rush for chiplet GPUs... Well it's not unreasonable to think AMD might just win against Nvidia there, it's logical for Nvidia to expand their shit into a place where AMD isn't.

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Hence Mellanox.

frozen vale Apr 20, 2021, 2:08 AM

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Buying ARM I would think is more about those tasty licencing fees, Lots of companies use ARM and would find it hard to avoid an updated fee structure

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:09 AM

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Mellanox is an order of magnitude too slow for chiplet gpus

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:09 AM

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Sure, but Nvidia literally has the new Grace CPUs, ARM is a fantastic platform for that kind of thing.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:09 AM

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Nvidia has nvlink already

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:09 AM

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This is true, but I'd wager they purchased Mellanox because of the fact that they do advanced networking, not GPU design and such.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:10 AM

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Yes

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Xylinx is advanced chip design

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:10 AM

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They do nearly have all of the cards required to just make completely home brewed supercomputers. All they really need are the CPUs.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:10 AM

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Amd does no networking yet

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Actually no

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Look up Bluefield

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:11 AM

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In relation to what?

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:11 AM

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Nvidia bluefield

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:11 AM

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Ah.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:11 AM

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"All that you need for the virtualized datacenter"

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:11 AM

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Not what I mean.

frozen vale Apr 20, 2021, 2:11 AM

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Well AMD did pick up Xilinx

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:12 AM

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They nearly have all of the physical components owned to churn out custom supercomputers.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:12 AM

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Yes

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:12 AM

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Looks to me like they're trying to pull a Nintendo, tbh.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:12 AM

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Bluefield replaces cpus

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At least displaces them

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:12 AM

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For a lot of applications, yeah.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:13 AM

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Well no

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Just for virtualization

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:13 AM

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For what you'd need that much power for? Yes.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:14 AM

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With Bluefield you now need zero cpus in your infrastructure

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:14 AM

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From what I'm reading it's an amazingly complex piece of hardware.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:14 AM

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Yea

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:14 AM

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Mmm, but regardless. I think Nvidia is buying so much to strengthen it's position because it sees what's coming.

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:15 AM

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Yep

young pecan Apr 20, 2021, 2:15 AM

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Nobody else has really nailed chiplet designs except AMD at the moment. Intel is close, but holy shit just waiting for chiplet GPUs is such a bad idea if you're Nvidia.

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Imagine what chiplet GPUs are gonna do to the wider PC space...

astral haven Apr 20, 2021, 2:16 AM

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Look at the block diagram of the a100