🔌│tech

[twin hound]

it always was like that

[old marlin]

yes

and it was always shit

cause they deploy it only to say x number of useres covered

and the not so urban areas are forgotten

[misty saffron]

mmm yes lets pour taxpayer money in urbanized areas and not care about the rest

[old marlin]

that may work in the US where you basically only have peopel in urban areas

[misty saffron]

how can you defend that

[old marlin]

but does not work in germany

where most of the population lives outside bigger cities

[misty saffron]

bro just move in a big city lol

[old marlin]

lol

just pay insane housing prices

ez

[twin hound]

First of all, most taxpayers are in the urbanized areas. 5G for example cannot be easily deployed into villages

[misty saffron]

by that argument you should let people living outside of urbanized areas just die

[old marlin]

not in germany though

[reef patrol]

Fiber can.

[old marlin]

also yea

basically

deploying fiber over long distances is regularly cheaper than doing that with copper

[misty saffron]

fun fact: grandma lives in a 500 residents village

has 4g

[twin hound]

4g is easier

and most probably she gets fake 4g

but its still good

[old marlin]

fun fact: the village I grew up in has 600 residents
had an internet connection 8 times faster than the average in germany today

[misty saffron]

fake 4g??

i thought a standard is a standard

[twin hound]

Nope 😛

[old marlin]

there is fake 5G

[proper crystal]

5G needs higher density of base stations. Like way higher.

And unlike 4G, village isn't any better.
For 4G, a village has less "shielding" than a city.
But 5G gets prissy because of a moderate hedge, so village is just as difficult as a city centre.

[old marlin]

yea

now imagine 6G

with a much higher frequency

[proper crystal]

Probably what you might get in the first wave is a small patch of 5G directly below the church tower on the main village square.

[old marlin]

"sorry your connection is gone, a leaf was in the way"

[twin hound]

Thats why there is 4g fallback etc etc

[old marlin]

you assume quite a lot of what a village looks like

[proper crystal]

Most European villages have that basic plan.

[old marlin]

in the village where I live there is no space for a "main square"

[twin hound]

Also, how much a city/village etc is going to advance their tech

[old marlin]

quite a hilly region

[twin hound]

highly depends on their mayor

at least in my country

[old marlin]

the city my hometown belongs to is home of a ton of companies that make a few billions each

[misty saffron]

i would very much respect a carrier more if they advertised better 3g/4g coverage instead of a single 5g base station on the red square

[old marlin]

there obviously is a high focus on the industry

so new developments should arrive quickly

[misty saffron]

fuck i still want ramen

make me go outside and buy ramen

[old marlin]

lol

[misty saffron]

this is a very fun shitstorm but i still very much want ramen

[old marlin]

idk

then go get some?

[ashen spindle]

??????? my pc just restarted because I changed usb/monitor cables the fuck

thats a new one

[old marlin]

[misty saffron]

my pc restarted because i plugged a cable into my gpu's usb-c port

beat that

[old marlin]

do you know about the bug where sitting down on a chair can interrupt your video signal?

also a funny one

[misty saffron]

wait i can also order pizza

grrrr

ramen or pizza

[old marlin]

idk

[ashen spindle]

flip a coin

[old marlin]

what do you want

[ashen spindle]

number is ramen

[misty saffron]

coins???

[ashen spindle]

roll a dice idk whats around you

[misty saffron]

a floppy disk

label is ramen

[proper crystal]

Well we have like 99% 4G coverage throughout the country, so... 😉

[umbral knot]

ramen on pizza

[misty saffron]

welp

[rare lagoon]

is that the 20h2 ?

[old marlin]

21H1 is the new shit

got uhhhhhhhhh

forgot

[misty saffron]

ramen here i come!!!

[wheat plume]

why every second car facing the same way?

thats some mad organisation

wait nvm

it breaks off

[halcyon moss]

minecraft quake fov

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-yuck-gif-13390919

[halcyon moss]

ppl who actually play with that fov are not right in their head

[misty saffron]

even wearing a shirt of same color

[old marlin]

wtf

that belt is totally worth it

like

a bit smaller and a table would have been enough

[misty saffron]

what

[old marlin]

I meant the belt for the cash register

not the one on your pants

[misty saffron]

oh i’m retarded

[wheat plume]

Don't worry
I thought he meant your belt too

That is a stupidly short belt....

[rare lagoon]

did someone here already apply 802.1x on a network ?

[halcyon moss]

thats the encryption stuff right? only as a user

[misty saffron]

i mean it’s a small store

you’re not supposed to buy $500 worth of food there

[rare lagoon]

yeah, it's a certification authentification

but i dont know how certification work ._.

[misty saffron]

the process of getting certified

usually paperwork is proof of certification

[rare lagoon]

i should wait the call from the company who willus to build this infrastructure

will help us*

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBTM8JtN064

[dull rampart]

Japanese Exclusive...

[wheat plume]

Wot

[reef patrol]

It's a late april's fool. But a fun thought.

[dull rampart]

It's apparently this thing for some reason 🤔
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperDisk

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/5K7sMgCGycA

ayy, Irish boii doin a tech

[vagrant pagoda]

i have some ls120s

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle noob

1.2.0.2 just in today :>

brb installering it

[wheat plume]

Anyone know why my gnome 40 install wont let me use extensions that are already updated to 40?
I upgraded and since then I cant use any and the extensions app no longers uses my GTK theme either

[wheat plume]

it worked for a while after upgrading and then after a reboot it stopped working

Some extensions work like GSConnect but it doesnt show in the panel

and the app thinks its not enabled

you never use gnome?

40 is nice

[fickle ore]

Ryzen master stoppd showing temps :F

[ashen spindle]

is your bios a beta or is it the full release with .2?

[fickle ore]

1.2.0.2 beta

ggs 1.2.0.2 seems to have fixed ryzen issues. both wooting + mouse in USB in cpu port now 🙂

[ashen spindle]

great

hmm if its out by friday I guess I will take the weekend to set up dual boot and update bios and finetune settings so I have a weekend for that

[zenith sonnet]

Nothing @ Gigabyte yet 😦

[fickle ore]

dno wtf was that shit temperature is working now

loaded optimized defaults and reset bios values that fixed it

[ashen spindle]

eyy for the first time in a while we have an official nvidia roadmap that includes GPUs

[fickle ore]

Had to reboot a few times monitor was also not recognized

[ashen spindle]

guess I wait for stable then

[crimson wigeon]

Ah yes, next next

[cursive summit]

What the fuck is that

Ampere++?

[ashen spindle]

.. no it's quite obviously the next gen gpu

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle any problematic voltages? I've already forgotten about RAM specific voltages

[ashen spindle]

lol who do you think I am, I barely know what the ram settings are

[fickle ore]

fuk

[ashen spindle]

I can find a forum post showing "b die 1.45 is fine" or whatever but gl finding info about anything else

[fickle ore]

why the hell are my PPT, EDC an TDC MSI motherboard values god damn

those vddg values seem really high hmm

[zenith sonnet]

Try if you can get by with 1.05V or even 1.0V SOC

Mobo/RAM manufacturers like to push VSOC to the max

But it seems that 1.1V is not always more stable than a more moderate voltage

Kinda like a sweet spot

[zenith sonnet]

Official spec sheet from Samsung lists 1.5V at 85°C as the upper limit for B-die
Looked that up when overclocking mine

At more moderate temps good B-die should be able to take 1.55V-1.6V, but weaker bins will eventually degrade

[fickle ore]

@zenith sonnet MSI apparently has VSOC OC mode that forces 1.1 V

@zenith sonnet Wow ryzen master showed 1.2 VDDCR SoC, even if it was 1.1 in mobo bios

MSI wants to kill your board I guess

wonder what's more correct?

[ashen spindle]

LLC? are they set or dynamic voltages?

[fickle ore]

@zenith sonnet safe now?

@ashen spindle idk havent set LLC. Ryzen master was saying SoC was 1.2V and inside bios SoC was 1.05 according to MSI..

[ashen spindle]

well idk what voltages are all touched by llc

and on default it's set to some medium line usually on most boards

[pale sigil]

Is it bad ryzen software doesn't work for me

[fickle ore]

3800/16-16-16-36T atm with FCLK 1900, will see if 1.025 SoC and those VDDG/VDDP are enough for 4x memory slots I guess

[ashen spindle]

no for once thats not on you

amd software is quite crappy tbh

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle no idea at all lol

it's some bios setting that auto enables itself (SoC OC mode) after you change memory to high freq, and it forces vsoc/vddg/vddp to 1.1 each. Have to manually go put them auto every time I change mem freq under a different bios page

And when I put SoC OC mode to disabled, and put manually 1.0V, it shows 1.0V inside bios but ryzen master shows 1.2 V. So I have the leave the OC mode on for the SoC, but disable for VDDG/VDDP

What a pain in the ass

[reef patrol]

Given your past with dead hardware, I think I speak for everyone when I say FUCK NO.

[pale sigil]

XD

[shadow minnow]

Looks like 11900k can actually benefit quite a lot from OC, still not making it good, but lot less disappointing

[zenith sonnet]

It really does not for any conventional use

[shadow minnow]

Well this is kinda conventional use and..., although I could not find many game benchmarks.

But also some stores having it listed for 650€....
Luckily there are at least some with 550€ which is still lot more than it is worth

[ashen spindle]

that image is missing a 10900k OC to compare lmao

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, that’s the issue. But still there at least is some noticeable improvement with i9 11900k OC, although the testing is just.... why didn’t they include 10900k manual OC.

[zenith sonnet]

It only campares it with itself

You can achieve more with manually overclocking a 5950X

Blender is an all-core load

[shadow minnow]

Yeah. Wish someone actually did 11900 k OC vs non OC gaming benchmarks with other CPUs in comparisons
But also Ltt testing resizable bar on two amd and zero intel CPUs using amd and nvidia GPUs...

[zenith sonnet]

Look at TPU's review

They have what you want

Also, the 5950X will complete the above workload using roughly 3.5!! times less power

[ashen spindle]

Ltt testing
see there is your issue

you based it on results from a channel that for long has become a entertainment channel above a review/information channel

im not saying they are wrong, they just dont spend as much time and all in it, dont have huge options for comparison etc.

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, but there are not that many reviews on such a scale with that many other CPUs to compare. Usually watch things from GN and similar for accurate benchmarks.

[ashen spindle]

anandtech bench?

[shadow minnow]

Sadly, not really, the interesting part mostly came with high memory clocks, that RKL allowed for, which was not tested there.
But yeah, the power consumption is really high with, well, all the newer intel 14nm CPUs. But that’s not a problem for me, as I would most likely be trying to push the max cooling performance, no matter CPUs base power consumption, with over clocking

[astral haven]

Energy not power

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/-zVtlRjDDqU

If we chibi the application window it will transform

[zenith sonnet]

Power is P=W•s=J
But yes, you can call that energy, too

[astral haven]

power = watts

watts by seconds is joules

joules is energy

watts is not energy

[latent mural]

Watt is power anyway

Time is money

Energy per money is power

[young pecan]

Pog.

Very, very pog.

[crisp granite]

NOICE

scalped or MSRP?

and if scalped, how much did you pay for it?

[young pecan]

MSRP, $1500 AUD.

[crisp granite]

awesome

[young pecan]

Got very lucky.

[crisp granite]

mhm

same with me

snagged card at MSRP

but the MSRP on my card constantly goes up...somehow?

[young pecan]

Obviously.

[crisp granite]

I got it when MSRP was $800 CAD, but now it's $900?

[young pecan]

Demand is ever higher, supply is ever lower, MSRP increases with the scalper prices.

No fabs are opened.

[crisp granite]

I thought fabs were open and running rn

[young pecan]

Not all of the needed ones.

And there’s still the logistics side of things. We won’t be seeing normal prices for a year.

Or until the fucking scalpers are made illegal.

[crisp granite]

it's the miners and scalpers that are the issue

[young pecan]

Nah. Miners aren’t the problem. The issue is the perfect storm that happened.

[crisp granite]

the miners buy cards in bulk, so they tend to get better prices and prefered treatment

the scalpers just fuck over everyone else trying to get some of the scraps

[young pecan]

Mining had a boom, scalpers are scalpers, steam is seeing 30% more users year over year because nobody is outside, graphics card demand is higher, newer tech is more desired etc etc.
combine with the fabs going down? Yeah.

It’s not a single issue. Even scalpers aren’t the issue. It’s literally a combined shitstorm that ended in this.

[crisp granite]

woohoo

[young pecan]

None of it helps, but none of it is a sole issue.

[crisp granite]

perfect storm

[young pecan]

Yeh.

[crisp granite]

welp

at least you and I won in this

shiny new RTX 3070s

[young pecan]

I won twice, actually.

Another 3070 arriving today.

[crisp granite]

SLI rig?

rig for partner?

[young pecan]

Mining and general upgrades.

Making a 3 gamers 1 CPU type deal.

[crisp granite]

buying 2 GPUs at most is what I can justify, and what most can justify

anymore, and I would have called you scum of the earth

[young pecan]

I’ll happily bulk them as much as I can to secure my future. With that said if I’m ever rich enough I’d like to give away free GPUs to people.

Give something back, y’know?

Idk. To me it’s not a game or a fuckaround.

I have a golden opportunity to secure my future and have a financial base to start a family. And unfortunately it’s that good of a potential that I’m forced to take it.

[chrome estuary]

Ugh I want a new GPU

I'm pretty sure my 1080 is dying

Its running slower than I'm pretty sure it should

[young pecan]

@chrome estuary Sure it's dying?

Seeing occasional lines? Super bad stutters and such?

1080 is a recent card, should be fine. Hell, my friend mines on his 1080 at a 1000Mhz memory overclock and the card just doesn't care. It's a strong card.

[ashen spindle]

anyone have experience with a "inaccessible boot device" bluescreen?

tried to update visual studio, that got stuck, I noticed I had the same visual c++ redistributable installed twice but couldnt uninstall either

tried a rebbot, not I cant get into windows

[wheat plume]

Is there a way to make LibreOffice open XML files as a spreadhseet table? I open it in calc and it just shows me the code in a single column

[wheat plume]

Woah :O I love this

[reef patrol]

Hope they're a carpenter. Cause sizes will change 😄

Also feel like the power cables could have been done better in metal tubes. But hey - Everyone's a critic.

[old marlin]

the amount of money spent on it total and the chosen CPU cooler make me sad

I obv don't know the exact costs

but that cpu cooler on that mobo alone would be a sin in a normal tower

[old marlin]

ye

[shadow minnow]

Looks like Apple accidentally leaked an Apple event, as only place it is mentioned is Siri when you ask, was not officially announced yet

[pale sigil]

I mean xD

Is that really news

Haha

[chrome estuary]

@young pecan it probably ain't dying but I want something faster

[shadow minnow]

It is, before nearly every leaker got wrong event being at March, some even lost eyebrows . Apple managed to keep this events date secret for more this time.

[zenith sonnet]

They're also stuck on PCIe 3
Or can you use riser cables with PCIe 4?

[young pecan]

@chrome estuary Hmm. If you use NBMiner, the EthlargementPill, and Ethash to mine crypto with the 1080Ti you can likely get 50MH/s, from there you could probably just buy a 3000 series in a few months.

PhoenixMiner for the frontend.

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, wish there were already pcie 4 risers. Fractal design said that there is no manufacturer that can mass produce them yet, which I hope will soon change, as the pcie 3 riser usually does not work well, and I want to use pcie gen 4

[chrome estuary]

I've got a 1080. Not Ti

I can afford a GPU

[young pecan]

You’d hit 40MH/s with that regardless.

[chrome estuary]

I just can't find a GPU

[zenith sonnet]

I have the same problem

[young pecan]

Wish I was trustworthy enough, they’re in stock near me.

[zenith sonnet]

I'm just sitting it out

[young pecan]

Check Umart, an Aussie shop.

Maybe you can get delivery?

[chrome estuary]

Im in America. I doubt they'll ship out over seas like that

[zenith sonnet]

I could find cards, but I'm not willing to pay significantly more than MSRP

[young pecan]

Ffs.

[chrome estuary]

^

[young pecan]

Wish people would just trust.

I can actually just buy and ship them.

Actually I really wish it was possible for me to just redirect them.

That’d be even better.

[chrome estuary]

1500 AUD is what... 900 USD? That's almost half the cost of my car and a lot of money.

[young pecan]

About 1000 at the moment.

With some basic crypto mining you could probably make that in 6 or so months.

Y’know, with a 1080 or 1080Ti.

[old marlin]

yea just wait 6 months before you wanna use your gpu again

[shadow minnow]

I have it even harder finding a GPU as I am looking for exact model

[young pecan]

Just mine nights.

[old marlin]

just

buy a house

[chrome estuary]

I could just work like 3 or 4 weeks of overtime as well

[young pecan]

Mining nights might take you 30 minutes to setup, but ok?

Literally three whole programs.

[old marlin]

working a bit of overtime is much quicker in the end

[young pecan]

Why not both? Literally free money.

[shadow minnow]

Also, I thing that nice hash has option to enable, so it only mines while you are not doing anything power heavy like gaming

[old marlin]

nice hash

[young pecan]

NiceHash is alright at best.

[old marlin]

I mean

[young pecan]

PhoenixMiner is just so much better.

[old marlin]

they have to make money somewhere

[young pecan]

Especially if you put in some work.

[old marlin]

tbh

I could do that

my landlord would be majorly unhappy

and I would get terrible sleep

[young pecan]

Undervolt, overclock, run fans at 40%...

Lmao no.

[old marlin]

not quite

[zenith sonnet]

I dunno how good a Radeon VII is for mining, but it might be enough to offset the cost of electricity, at best?

[old marlin]

but it can dampen it a lot

[young pecan]

Even 0.33 cents per KW in Aus, which is the worst it can be legally, is amazingly profitable.

[old marlin]

[young pecan]

Because not everyone knows what they’re doing?

It requires basic google, a rare skill.

[old marlin]

is that AUS cents?

[young pecan]

Your average person gets intimidated, that’s why.

Yeah, it is.

[old marlin]

yea ok

that would be a REALLY good price for electricity in germany

[proper crystal]

It is good, but to really get the best you gotta dual mine on it.

[old marlin]

so like

add 50%

[zenith sonnet]

Because some people care about the environment and the impact of wasting electricity

[young pecan]

It’s profitable if you multiply electrify cost by 4.

But ok.

[old marlin]

yea

didn't say it would be porofitable

but it is a dampener for sure

and my landlord WILL be unhappy

[young pecan]

shrugs 30 cents a day for power.

[ashen spindle]

during the day I work/game on it, I don't really want to stress my work pc while gpus are rare and at night I'd prefer to sleep

[young pecan]

It’s more stress doing repeat thermal expansion and contraction, but yeah ok.

The sleep thing makes sense, tho.

[old marlin]

true

[ashen spindle]

I know it's not the absolute worst, I'd still prefer not doing it for gaining like a dollar a month as I can't run it during most times

[young pecan]

...

What card do you have?

[old marlin]

oh you will make quite a bit more

[ashen spindle]

1080

[old marlin]

@young pecan is there a good calc for it atm?

[young pecan]

$90 a month.

[old marlin]

I have an underperforming 2080 and 9700k atm

[zenith sonnet]

Radeon VII?

[ashen spindle]

90$ with how many h per day?

[young pecan]

24/7, $40 a month or so on nights.

$55 if you overclock memory.

[ashen spindle]

yeah and I could run it for like maybe 4 hours a day max

[young pecan]

@zenith sonnet idk, go look at a calculator. Whattomine isn’t bad.

[old marlin]

yea not worth it as well for me

I could run it like 8 hours a day

[young pecan]

shrugs Yeah, that’s about right.

Personally I have 7 GPUs in my network mining, soon to be 8.

If I get a decent loan maybe we’re talking 40+.

Good cash for me, can outright replace work.

Hence the loan, yeah.

[zenith sonnet]

Apparently I should be getting 93 Mh/s at 200W

[young pecan]

That’s 2 mates of mine, my PC, my server, my laptop, and the mining rig.

Unsecured personal loans.

In theory I need 50 grand and I can then grow it exponentially.

Bank loans are sketchy, but I can do em.

ROI is fast enough for me to take the risk.

[reef patrol]

They exist. But only one brand - pricy.
It's not like any consumer GPU uses 4.0 speeds though so throttling down to Gen3 is fine.

Only really an issue on ITX boards where this often slows down the M.2 slots as well...or ASRock when their BIOS updates makes Gen3 rollback not work xD

[young pecan]

A single 3070, btw.

Fuckin’ noice.

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-hiss-gif-9387351

miners

[young pecan]

So tasty.

Mmmmmmm.

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-delicious-steak-gif-7676990

[old marlin]

yea really delicious

screwing everyone else over

cause you are too lazy to get a normal job

[reef patrol]

What

[young pecan]

You can take that route, but this is the best method I can find of securing a future so I can start a family.

I won’t be apologetic for that. :P

[old marlin]

yea then don't expect anyone to be nice to you

[young pecan]

I never do. :)

[old marlin]

yea

then fuck off

[young pecan]

<3

[reef patrol]

Yama... cool down a bit mate 😛

[young pecan]

Love you too.

[old marlin]

he was literally asking for it

[young pecan]

I was.

Can confirm.

[cursive summit]

On one hand he's abusing the industry for his own benefit and encouraging scalping behavior

On the other hand he's living a comfortable life

Honestly, do as you will 😄

[old marlin]

oh yea

I am sure you can also live a comfortable live by enslaving people

ask mercedes

[young pecan]

Nice, man.

That’s a fucking beautiful example of a strawman argument.

Omfg.

[old marlin]

?

[young pecan]

Actually holy shit.

[old marlin]

ok

[young pecan]

You, sir, just did literally the textbook example.

[old marlin]

ok

[cursive summit]

Why are yall getting to each others throats

Like get along

[old marlin]

idk

[young pecan]

That was amazing.

[old marlin]

being able to live a comfortable life yourself doesn't justify anything

[young pecan]

Sure, but y’know what? Mining still contributes to society.

Global supercomputer, very useful.

[old marlin]

oh yea

I am sure you are mining out very useful stuff

they don't

[young pecan]

shrugs Companies buy hashing power, idk what I mine, only that I do.

[cursive summit]

Fleimi maybe let's let them just juke it out? Boys need some wild time 😄

[old marlin]

true

[cursive summit]

Tbh we did allow Hitler to do what he wanted, look how that turned out

[young pecan]

Hey, if he wants to spend some time smashing his face against indifference and logic I’ll be here for it.

[old marlin]

but that doesn't mean everything is justified

I know he won't ever look beyond his own greed

[cursive summit]

So is mining bad now?

[old marlin]

bogging down the entire car industry, which my wage is attached to

[cursive summit]

Is trading crypto also bad?

[young pecan]

I’ll be as greedy as I need to be to solidify a financial base for my future family.

[old marlin]

increasing prices on gpus which my money might go to

[young pecan]

That’s not how that works, but ok.

[old marlin]

all because he is not able to get a decent paying job himself

to provide for his future family

[young pecan]

You know nothing of the GPU shortage, then.

Good to know.

[old marlin]

I know that most cards supposedly go to "gamers"

[young pecan]

It’s not a single problem, it’s literally a flawless storm of shit.

[cursive summit]

Tbh the GPU shortage apparently isn't mining induced at all, but more or less due to COVID too many people just want to buy the cards

[old marlin]

yes

but mining does not do the situation ANY favours

[young pecan]

Fabs shut down, global silicone shortage, steam seeing more users than ever, scalpers, miners, massive mining boom.

Mining is the last of those issues.

The fabs are the real issue, we have the carrying capacity for it.

[old marlin]

if fabs shut down they should be able to open back up again

[young pecan]

Fabs just aren’t on yet. :/

[old marlin]

it still takes mercedes 18 months to make a single EQA

[young pecan]

Dude, we’re in a global fucking pandemic.

._.

[old marlin]

since TSMC is booked out

[old marlin]

and right before a huge economic boom

[young pecan]

Fabs stay closed so people don’t die?

[cursive summit]

Fleimi, any news on the shipment?

[old marlin]

which might just not exist

because they can't make any cars

[cursive summit]

Oh

I forgot sorry bud 😄

[young pecan]

What shipment?

[reef patrol]

Must be Finnish Deer Jerky.

Rare delicacy

[young pecan]

It’s GPUs, isn’t it?

[cursive summit]

Need to get the boys off the hot topics xD

Nah audio equipment

[young pecan]

OOOOOHHH POG.

What stuff?

I’m a massive audio nerd.

[cursive summit]

It's a modi 3 and a Heresy combo

[young pecan]

Not bad!

[cursive summit]

We agreed to split the bill, he'll keep the modi, I'm getting the heresy 😄

[young pecan]

Pretty good.

I’m running a Cavalli CTM hybrid with a Siemens E88CC ‘65.

Need a better amp for the tube, also need as good DAC solution I can integrate into a PC.

[cursive summit]

Tfw I'm getting on that dongle train with some kind of Ares endorsed dong from Meizu

[ashen spindle]

does anyone know a way to fix boot device issues? plugged the ssd in my other pc and data is there an all works fine etc. so it seems something in the boot access is broken

as the " Inaccessible boot device" bsod told me

[pale sigil]

i really need a case for my rasberry pi lol

[ashen spindle]

@reef patrol youre the only one I know here who might have a clue how to fix it without reinstalling windows

[reef patrol]

Hah, nope. I hate dealing with that enough on a personal basis. Took me hours to get my OS up and running by following googled articles using command line commands in the recovery syste,.

[ashen spindle]

guess I'll try this tool that claims to be able to fix MBR

[crimson wigeon]

I'd start by booting up install media and reinstalling using the recovery tools. Specifically the command prompt and doing some bcdboot commands to unfuck it

[ashen spindle]

tried all of that

cant uninstall updates, no recovery point, chkdisk and such didnt find any issues

[fickle ore]

if you had reinstalled you'd be already here with a fresh boot 😄

[ashen spindle]

with no data

gg

[fickle ore]

right :/

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah I meant direclty doing the bcdboot stuff yourself to ensure it's all set properly

[fickle ore]

install it as 2nd harddrive int your other pc and take all data

[ashen spindle]

literally where it is currently, hence my question if someone knows a way to fix it while its in a different pc 😛

[reef patrol]

Not consistently no. Best bet is to make backups and reinsall.

[crimson wigeon]

Alternatively do the reinstall it should only nuke data if you format, then restore previous Windows Pepega

[fickle ore]

sounds like even evening full of pain.

Don't think it's possible to know how to fix it without troubleshooting. https://techgenix.com/troubleshooting-inaccessible-boot-device-error/ sounds like a massive headache

[ashen spindle]

caused by trying to fix a visual studio update that got stuck 🙂

[fickle ore]

What did u do

[ashen spindle]

it was stuck on some VS c++ redistributable, so I looked up, seems that can happen when it doesnt cleanly remove the old one, so I checked and saw there were two with the same version number under programs, wanted to remove one, also didnt work

tried restart if that fixes it, couldnt get back into windows since then

[fickle ore]

and you tried the usual suspects?

[ashen spindle]

hardware is fine, SMART values of the disk work, nothing is OC'd

[fickle ore]

you did DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth and /sfc scannow ?

[ashen spindle]

nope, ill try that and some other few ones after I copied the data I need

[crimson wigeon]

Or just use bcdboot stuff to make it bootable on whatever computor the drive is connected to right now

[ashen spindle]

got a link to how to do that? was looking for that

[crimson wigeon]

Something like the example bcdboot c:\windows /d /addlast /p where c:\windows refers to the install on the drive you want to boot

[ashen spindle]

so F in my case then got it, I'll give that a shot after im done copying things

[crimson wigeon]

If the drive got the EFI system partition you might even be able to add /s <systempartitiondriveletter> /f UEFI and unfuck it

[ashen spindle]

yea it does

[crimson wigeon]

(else do this from the target computer booted from install media)

[ashen spindle]

google

[crimson wigeon]

I don't, I've just happened to set up Windows dualboots relatively recently

So I've Googled and kinda remember some things

[reef patrol]

Don't forget "pray it actually does something"

[ashen spindle]

also btw those commands dont work as /p and /addlast are mutually exclusive

one puts it last one as first 😛

[crimson wigeon]

Derp

[ashen spindle]

I think I should need to do bcdboot C:\Windows /s E: or F:

does it want the 100mb system reserved drive letter

or the letter of the actual drive data

[crimson wigeon]

Not C as that will always refer to what's currently booted

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-launches-ryzen-5000g-cezanne-desktop-cpus-with-integrated-graphics

Oh sick

[ashen spindle]

but C is right now working and it wants that as source right?

source means the working one, and E is the broken system partition

[crimson wigeon]

Nah in this case it's the install you want to boot

[ashen spindle]

Required. Specifies the location of the Windows directory to use as the source for copying boot-environment files.

[crimson wigeon]

this is what I've done to accomplish dual boots ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen spindle]

yeah I trust you just making sure on the MS documentation

[maiden crater]

Does anyone know if there’s a laptop with the power of at least a r5 2600 and a 1060? Like in performance, not the laptop versions

@ me if you speak me, I’m at work rn

[ashen spindle]

what

not sure if I understand that question because there are far far stronger laptops out for a long time now

[crimson wigeon]

"at least"

[maiden crater]

Other places I have asked say that laptop cpus and gpus are still weaker than older gen desktop

[ashen spindle]

there are laptops with a fully OC'd desktop 10900k/5950x etc.

[maiden crater]

What chips would I be looking for if I want to have at least a r5 2600 and a 1060

So I know the low end I’m aiming for

[ashen spindle]

well... at least a r5 2600 for cpu

so any 3000 series should do, if its the same name its the same cpu

I'd recommend looking at a channel like hardwareunboxed they have videos on laptop performance, that makes it easier to figure out for you

[old marlin]

you can get an area 51m with like a 10900k and a 2080 super

lol

[old marlin]

do those other places live in the past?

like yea laptop hardware will always be a bit limited

but the 2080 in my laptop is better than any 2070 will be without exoc

[maiden crater]

Being helpful is a lot more helpful than being judgmental, I’m asking for information not opinions on information

[ashen spindle]

what they probably meant that for amd for example the 3000 gen for laptop chips is not the same Zen architecture as on desktop

[old marlin]

ye

so basically

laptop CPUs boost quite high nowadays

since CPUs overall got pretty efficient

at least on AMDs side

[ashen spindle]

hence, look at one of the charts of a video of for example hardwareunboxed , that's easier than figuring out what cpu is what verison etc.

[old marlin]

I mean

even then

you can beat the average desktop

by spending more money on the laptop

[wheat plume]

O.o Pamac's got even more design changes
This used to be a much smaller window that only listed each thing

I wonder if its on GTK4 now.... how do I find out?

[ashen spindle]

did decide to do the sfc/scannow first

it did find issue and fixed them

reboot and same issue still rip

now to see if adding DISM helps

[wheat plume]

ok wtf?!

[reef patrol]

[crimson wigeon]

cal in a terminal near you, only calendar you need

[wheat plume]

seriously gnome .-. I have the calendar that COMES WITH THE DESKTOP

[ashen spindle]

looks like Dism has some issues lets hope the error log helps

[wheat plume]

O.o Dannng his computer is sweet

https://youtu.be/kApLu_tRLxc

[ashen spindle]

ok got dism to run

lets see

so dism worked but not with /revertpendingactions

aand same bsod

dism error 0x800f082f seems to be known and dreaded..

great

[crimson wigeon]

Oh good luck figuring out the dism incantation to repair it properly

[ashen spindle]

why is the first google result a microsoft site wiht only one reply

and the reply is the guy saying he just reinstalled it

HOW IS THAT HELPING ANYONE

[crimson wigeon]

Just reinstall loooool

[ashen spindle]

so it seems all is fine but something is blocking it

so uhh

ill try agian tomorrow im already way done with work time and this is clearly something work related

[zenith sonnet]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/04/microsoft-makes-the-surface-laptop-4-official-offers-choice-of-amd-or-intel/

[wheat plume]

ooo thats awesome

[zenith sonnet]

Why only low and mid range Ryzen, and only mid and high end intel?

[crisp granite]

intel isn't high end though

[wheat plume]

Base model isnt 4GB ram anymore.... thats a nice change

[crisp granite]

AMD CPUs would run circles around intel CPUs in mobile applications, like a laptop

[wheat plume]

Wait, are those AMD pCPUs better than the one I have??

they are higher number

[crisp granite]

yep

[wheat plume]

o.o oh wow

[crisp granite]

ryzen 7s are better than ryzen 5s

most of the time tbh

[wheat plume]

I mean the 5s in the 13 inch

[cursive summit]

But.. it is

[wheat plume]

are they better than a 5 3600?

High end useless

[zenith sonnet]

Comparable

[cursive summit]

Intel's 11th gen mobile parts are really good

[crisp granite]

is mobile 4000 zen 2 or 3?

[cursive summit]

2 actually

5000 is 3

[zenith sonnet]

4680 is about equal to a 3600, give or take a few

[wheat plume]

aha

[cursive summit]

I'd say for now without good iGPUs that mobile ryzens don't got yet, ultrabooks are so far Intel's area

[zenith sonnet]

I think the issue might be chip availability rather than performance

[cursive summit]

You can slap a 1650 into an ultrabook but for now vegas are meh

[zenith sonnet]

The Vega 8 is pretty good for what it is

[cursive summit]

Yeah it is

But gen11's just kinda beat them all around

[zenith sonnet]

You can't do much more with DDR4 bandwidth anyway

[cursive summit]

I am really really all for RDNA2 iGPUs

Man if we can get PS5 perf in a laptop or in a chiplet for a PC build, that would be INSANE

[zenith sonnet]

I haven't seen any benchmarks of the gen 11 mobile SKUs

[cursive summit]

I got a Dell 9310

With the 1165g7

It's actually quite good

[crisp granite]

...

yes pls

[ashen spindle]

aint happening anytime soon, not even considering how more performance you get from everything optimized for 1 chip

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review-deep-dive-core-11th-gen/13

They seem to be fairly evenly matched

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_f7X_hqPRhE

tl;dw: No

[spare briar]

listen to the keyboard

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/mqa6dj/out_of_the_box_image_quality_6700xt_vs_3070/
@ashen spindle Didn't you recently switch brands as well? Similar experience?

[spare briar]

need to get a new gpu before i get a keyboard or not

[cursive summit]

Um, are you asking if you should upgrade a GPU or get a keeb?

Just get a keeb

GPUs aren't worth buying rn

[ashen spindle]

well takes a while to get either right now, but keep a topic to one channel please

[fickle ore]

lol jeez

amd is really never worse with SAM on

Gief 6700

[ashen spindle]

yeah I saw that video, weird they didnt test Apex when that was one of the worst cases for amd

+one of the most important imo

[fickle ore]

meh

[zenith sonnet]

Meh

It's hard to test

It's all online

[proper crystal]

Apex is difficult to test consistently though.

[fickle ore]

they dunno how to access console to put fps_max 1000

😄

[zenith sonnet]

huge margin of error

[fickle ore]

its source engine

last time apex benched couple days ago 300 fps capped lool

[ashen spindle]

they tested apex on amd with sam so I would assume steve could've also used it for this one

just kinda weird how he used a different set of games compared to what he tired sam with

[zenith sonnet]

This looks more like a typical reviewer's suite, where Apex would not fit

It's probably much more controlled testing

[fickle ore]

would be cool to see 360p/720p results low graphics

doubt never gonna post those

[ashen spindle]

meh, I don't buy that those are relevant

yes it's more cpu bound, no it does neither reflect how future games with more demand work on it nor how anything else in the future runs on it

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.techpowerup.com/280944/powercolor-quietly-outs-radeon-rx-6900-xt-red-devil-ultimate
Oh, nice
A higher Navi 21 bin

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle it shows us whether the implementation of SAM is CPU intensive or has zero effect on the CPU

that's all I care about

not on a game by game basis

couple games is enough for that

[ashen spindle]

meh also not really, as I'd argue without knowing what exactly it does there are still too many variables in that which could still affect it

[fickle ore]

It should alleviate cpu boundedness by offloading that task to the gpu but we can never know what kind of trickery that requires in the driver stack which could peg the CPU

[ashen spindle]

I'm waiting for either a vendor or some site to go into details for rebar, testing only lets you speculate so much

[zenith sonnet]

I'm pretty sure rebar is extensively tested

It failing could cost lives

[fickle ore]

We already got info, doubt u gonna get any info how much calculations the driver need

[ashen spindle]

we got info about what it does, not really how it does it, what cpu instructions it uses, what it depends upon etc.

at least not in any form I am capable of digesting

[fickle ore]

I really really doubt we will get any of that sadly

[ashen spindle]

I think we will, it's not really something secret that no vendor wants to reveal

[fickle ore]

@zenith sonnet super interesting why its so good on AMD and bad on Nvidia

[zenith sonnet]

Add it to the folder with files about AMD's driver being more CPU efficient

[fickle ore]

hehe could be

[proper crystal]

AMD has been pretty clear - SAM isn't just resizeable BAR.

It's at least also a lot of low level optimization, which Nvidia has to catch up to, while also fixing their driver overhead problem.

[ashen spindle]

yeah but it's not something that they will try to keep totally secret how it works, as that would hinder devs actually making use of it, so I still expect to get some more info on what it actually does in a more digestible way than some obscure whitepaper on uArch

dont need to know what the optimizations are in hardware for it, but at least how it works in terms of extra load etc.

too bad amd doesnt really have anything similar to GTC/IDF like team green and blue do

[proper crystal]

I think this is more a driver level optimization thing.

And while AMD doesn't have a big event, they're generally more open about stuff.

[ashen spindle]

yeah probably something in the drivers, but that would be the part they don't need to properly explain how it works, the stuff around it would be enough so devs can implement it and we would know if cpu bound makes it worse/better etc.

[astral haven]

The only performance enhancing thing is the resizeable bar

The reason that nvidia isn't getting as much out of it is that nvidia did a crapton of optimization of the old path, for example compressing data on the fly to save bandwidth and gpu memory

And just using the built in decompressors in the memory controller

[young pecan]

Can’t forget that AMD has the bonus between SAM and the CPUs designed for it.

Nvidia and Intel just don’t have that.

It works with Intel stuff, but you’re not getting the same performance from gen 1 between Nvidia and Intel as you do with gen 1 in just AMD.

[astral haven]

yea amd isnt being exactly forthright about that

[astral haven]

this is the reason for the big jump

[astral haven]

this is bs

[young pecan]

Not really. AMD had the tools and lack of interorganisational stupidity that comes with working between two massive companies.

I’d wager they, like Ryzen, have been doing stuff to this effect for months, if not years in advance. Wouldn’t really surprise me if they focused some of their GPU/CPU design on better functionality.

I mean shit, AMDs GPUs are still hot garbage outside of the highest of their high end. There really isn’t too much reason to buy Radeon beyond owning a 5000 series CPU.

Though that’s honestly a guess. Resizable BAR is one thing, but I’m gonna go ahead and assume that AMD probably plans shit ahead, maybe optimise some of their design for a good tech. Small things like that.

[vapid zodiac]

with lorge companies like amd, the cpu and gpu divisions are like their own companies so very little crosstalk happens between them,

[young pecan]

Thought of that. They are different divisions entirely, but still within the scope of the company itself. That removes a significant amount of slowness, I find.

Just removes a few steps here and there, with typical human slowness it can add up, y'know?

[astral haven]

youd be surprised how closely nvidia and intel work together to make laptops work

look at optimus

and the first thing that got rebar on nvidia was laptop shiz

[young pecan]

Mm, fair point.

[astral haven]

I'm also not saying this just for the sake of saying this
Radeom engineers are extremely happy to one-up nvidia every single chance they possibly get, and "our drivers were so much worse this minor transfer speed improvement gave us 10% performance uplift in some cases" does not look good for them, so they said nothing, and the marketing department ran with "works better together"

[young pecan]

Wasn't actually aware of that. My guess at AMD's internal structure being easier than cross organizational BS was purely from having to work in such an environment before.

Even small fuckups can just cripple all momentum, and when you get a bad or stupid leader... ugh.

[astral haven]

From what I've heard amd is ultra secular 🤷

[old marlin]

praise our lord and saviour timescaledb

[fickle ore]

@zenith sonnet @ashen spindle AC:Valhalla, SAM off

SAM on

-1 ms in both cpu and gpu processing time

[ashen spindle]

what even is that game

doesnt look familiar to me

ah yeah makes sense, amd and ubisoft seemed to have worked qutie close on that title

[fickle ore]

can probably infer it has no cpu overhead, or even alleviating said overhead from other processing

[wheat plume]

Pop_OS! are making their own "desktop" :D Called COSMIC

[ashen spindle]

so system76 already made popos but in reality it wasn't fully theirs? thats why linux is dumb

[old marlin]

lol

just random desktops and package managers strapped together

[wheat plume]

Pop_OS is basically their way of wanting to use gnome desktop with preinstalled extensions and things
But in terms of the OS, they did add new things to the OS instead of just the desktop

[ashen spindle]

gnome? I thought it was based on ubuntu

[old marlin]

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/PvHVARSYBKA

[pale sigil]

Ngl, these surprised me, I was expecting pure garbage (I got them for free) but for the price they aren't bad...

Bass isn't great though

But not everyone is into bass

[wheat plume]

hmmmm

[vagrant pagoda]

I have the Anker knockoff Samsung buds.

They are pretty good

But I always fear dropping them lol

[young pecan]

@pale sigil Free price to performance is indeed infinite.

[misty saffron]

dropped my airpods pro countless times

still not falling apart

[umbral knot]

sadly I can't wear normal earbuds or airpods, they don't fit into my ears correctly and with the autopause feature they pause nonstop

[misty saffron]

most earphones fall out of my left ear

:(

you can disable autopause though im pretty sure

[vagrant pagoda]

i worry about loosing them

i have neckband style that i where when i go places

[pale sigil]

OMFDG

FU SPOTIFY

STOP STOPPING

[reef patrol]

[ivory geyser]

Why are you using Spotify lol

[cursive summit]

Youtube Music ftw

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/yuck-gross-disgust-eww-steve-carell-gif-3556274

[cursive summit]

Ey

Don't diss YT Music

I hate Spotify just cause I can't upload my YT playlist to it

And half of the songs don't exist on Spotify

[wheat plume]

I have an opposite problem
a couple of the songs I like arent on youtube but they are on Spotify xd

but the majority arent on spotify

[umbral knot]

You can upload local files to spotify

so just rip from yt and upload

I only use spotify because my mom bought the premium family plan so I don't get ads

[reef patrol]

Kind of anyway. It's super janky and not very consistent.

[cursive summit]

But why would I use spotify if I have YT Music

I just dislike Spotify

[umbral knot]

That works too

but I've never run into any issues with it

to sync to a mobile device or vice versa connect to the same wifi and select download

[ivory geyser]

I just have all my music on an SSD card on my phone 🤷‍♂️

Old-school I know

[reef patrol]

It's super inconsistent for me. On the same subnet at that 😄

[ivory geyser]

But it works

[umbral knot]

hol up since when did spotify mobile have discord presence

[vagrant pagoda]

YTM is hot garbage

[umbral knot]

👍 cool

my monitor has some sort of whine and it's earsplitting

just saving up some money to replace it

[pale sigil]

[wheat plume]

Ayy Ireland :P

noice

but that shit costs more than my whole computer

[zenith sonnet]

It probably has more FLOPS as well

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LkUzVexLTU

This brings back memories

[cursive summit]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eu-wants-ban-ai-surveillance-145317619.html

[reef patrol]

Good luck with that.

[zenith sonnet]

As if any of those companies would care
It's not like anyone can actually check

[ivory geyser]

I just want an ACTUAL AI go rabid on all those fucking rules and idiotic governments.

If I get to see that during my lifetime I am gonna celebrate

[kind zodiac]

should I buy a wooting one, which is used for one year for 100 euro

[reef patrol]

To quote myself from like an hour ago...

[ivory geyser]

Tbh, W1 for 100 euros sounds decent tho me... it is not exactly a steal, but it isnt bad either

[reef patrol]

Okay so maybe it's been more than an hour. It's been a long day. Still 😄

[kind zodiac]

what is a steal for the wooting one

[ivory geyser]

70-80 euros I think

But since it is not in production anymore... I dont know

It makes the item more scarce.

[reef patrol]

Not in production and no replacement till... August or later if you order now.

(Fullsize at that, not TKL)

[ivory geyser]

Yep, I was mostly talking about the TKL

I do admit I was disappointed about the 60% wristrest coming - this likely implies a 60% HE coming later down the line.

[crisp granite]

I mean

fortnite did put their name out there

they have definitely attracted the interest of that market

[ashen spindle]

by the time the smaller HE variant is out they could just make another wrist rest

they dont need as long to make a different size of it

so I dont think that is really any indication

[crimson wigeon]

But the fork knifers are now dumping their woots because REWASD!!!

[crisp granite]

ha

[crisp granite]

possibly a 65 or 75

since the difference in width between them is negligible

[ivory geyser]

Not true, a smaller wristrest will fuck up your hands PRETTY damn badly if you use it on a bigger keyboard.

A bigger one is alright.

[crisp granite]

well then

thanks for the warning cap'n

[ivory geyser]

You are welcome

[ashen spindle]

I'd argue thats not fully true

I dont think I actually ever use the part of my rest thats below my arrow key area on my w1

[ivory geyser]

Right, I was assuming the user would try to center the wristrest, not keep it on the left side of the keeb.

[ashen spindle]

ah fair enough in that case it's probably not a good solution

[ivory geyser]

Your solution is pretty smart tho

That might legit work

[wheat plume]

I found a thing in dconf editor to allow for the second monitor to also have its own virtual desktops on gnome 40

which is what I want :D

[magic flicker]

i was thinking about the shorter one and using the leftover space on the right for my coffee cup

then again, that's not a great idea for another reason

[fallen berry]

when i try to run the exe it tells me that it puts my pc at risk

is this still ok to run ?

[ashen spindle]

what

[fallen berry]

the wooting double movement app on pc

my b

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah thats just the default notice for anything not signed and signatures for software cost $$$

[fallen berry]

oh okay

tnhanks

[reef patrol]

#archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards for support.

[scenic depot]

Yo anyone have a good 750 dollar pc build it can be pre build or not pls reply i wanna know what i should save my money for

[crisp granite]

for 750...best bet is buying a used system, aim for at least a 1050Ti, 16gb of ram and at least a quad core CPU

[scenic depot]

thanks i just started getting into builds since my brother and friends have one

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

for 750, you can't do much

[scenic depot]

whats an average price for a mid build pc?

[crisp granite]

I'd say 1-2k

anything above is high end

[scenic depot]

1-2k damn i dont have that rn i think ima aim for at least almost 1k

minum 800 for just the pc

[crisp granite]

personally, my build was 2k

and I wouldn't spend more on a PC tbh

for that money I got more PC than I would really need

for 800-900, you can build a nice system, if you can find a new RTX 3060 in stock at MSRP

and good luck with that if you decide to go that route

[young pecan]

@scenic depot Embrace Ruthless Economy, friend.

If you really need components go for an old PC like an Optiplex and throw a graphics card into it. Maybe an SSD if you have leftover.

Also what currency is that? USD?

[crisp granite]

I'd assume so, if that was CAD or possibly AUD, ruthless economy would be the only way to get something decent

[young pecan]

Ruthless Economy is good economy.

[edgy hull]

assuming no scalping (from AIBs too) is going on, I'd say budget high end gaming PCs start at ~1.3k USD, iirc that's 5600x/3070 (at least 11400f/3070, which perfs very similairly)

[young pecan]

Depending on workload that could maybe dip down to 1100 or so, I think.

5th gen APUs from AMD could make a possible candidate. The 3000 series isn’t bad for it either.

You might manage something near $800 USD if you completely skip the discreet graphics and opt for APU with a single SATA based SSD?

[vagrant pagoda]

NVMe is sub 100 now

800 with a 5600 Apu 16 gb and NVMe should be possible

If you go for an A series mobo and a bronze psu

[young pecan]

Hooooooo boy. That’s kinda nutty.

Maybe go for silver PSU tho. Worth going safe there.

[zenith sonnet]

There's Bronze units that are better than some Gold units

I wouldn't give too much on the label

[old marlin]

yea

it only is effieciency

which only says something about quality to a certain degree

[zenith sonnet]

I mean my RM1000i only had a Gold label

And it was better than many Platinums, even in efficiency

[wheat plume]

how print only a specific column number from a pandas dataframe? I tried print(df[2]) and nope

[reef patrol]

Have you tried bamboo()

[ashen spindle]

think thursday is the day panda is lazy all day and skips work

[wheat plume]

Damn it
Should have known

[mental sphinx]

does anyone know what kind of keycaps the wooting one comes with?

[vast moss]

Probably OEM, but I'm not certain

Definitely not any of the other ones in that image though

[mental sphinx]

its definitely OEM i just found it onthe website, my guess is R4

[vast moss]

Where on the Web site?

[mental sphinx]

https://na.wooting.store/collections/keycaps/products/the-snackbag-dye-sub-pbt-modifier-keys?variant=32886882533515
under tech specs & package content

[vast moss]

Oh, ok

[mental sphinx]

im not with my keyboard so i cant measure, i'd really appreciate it if someone could confirm if they are R4

[vast moss]

Well, pulling off Numpad 4 looks like R2, so I'm guessing it varies by row

[mental sphinx]

Omg the R stands for row?

[vast moss]

I think

[mental sphinx]

im guessing they follow this pattern then

[young eagle]

I'm pretty certain my wooting one has oem caps

[mental sphinx]

And does each row have different heights?

[young eagle]

Standard sculpt

Yeah

Oem isn't uniprofile

DSA, XDA you can see are flat; you can swap and keys for each other and it's the same shape

But OEM is sculpted for a curved feel

[mental sphinx]

Thanks!!!! It lines up that theres repeat R4 and R1 in this picture and in the other one the R4/R1 are two rows

[zenith sonnet]

I wish it wasn't OEM
I'd like to swap some keys around

[reef patrol]

OEM is the standard. And imo a lot more ergonomic than the flat top profiles.

Also probably a lot cheaper for Wooting to produce OEM than something more rare.

[zenith sonnet]

Why not at least make it ortholinear, though?
That does not affect cost

[reef patrol]

[vast moss]

Not a lot of people use ortho, at least as far as I know. Perhaps they could make it as an option, but I'm not sure how well it would sell.

[old marlin]

actually

because of the incline that modern boards already have

OEM profile is basically entirely redundant

and is counterproductive for ergonomics

[analog aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/um-actually-bonnie-gordon-sts-saving-throw-show-tempting-fate-gif-13758719

[old marlin]

yea fr though

a lot of people use stupid amounts of incline

a lot of people = most people I have seen

[analog aspen]

Piano been around for awhile why don’t they just copy paste that form factor

[reef patrol]

You're assuming people use that 😛

[old marlin]

"assuming"

like

if you use the flipout feet on any modern mechanical board you are doing that

one look in #archived_wootstations confirms it

[vast moss]

I used to, but now I don't care for as much of an incline.

[old marlin]

also not trying to blame people or anything

[wheat plume]

does volume output change depending on what type of usb port the headphones are plugged into?

rn they are plugged into usb 3.1

and they arent very loud, got to raise the volume more than normal in the OS

[halcyon moss]

uh.. maybe the os keeps a list per usb port

[reef patrol]

Wouldn't be surprised.

Or rather - Windows Audio control panel might think it's a new device.

[wheat plume]

hmm...

ok then, I need to mess with the levels I guess

[young pecan]

Dogecoin is up by 150% since yesterday.

Anyone know what shenanigans is causing this?

Beyond Elon's twitter, anyway.

[old marlin]

it's elons twitter

volatile currencies being volatile and all

[young pecan]

Wouldn't expect the insanity of Dogecoin rn from just Elon's twitter.

Not considering who owns the shares, anyway.

[old marlin]

if he would tweet that people should drop doge in favor of something else it can crash basically instantly

volatile af after all

[hard thicket]

jesus christ

38 bids

[chrome estuary]

can contain

[old marlin]

[hard thicket]

reallife lootboxes

humanity has peaked

[cursive summit]

Inb4 it's for parts

Drop the link, I am interested

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/dZTgGA6JQEQ

[wheat plume]

never seen a website call a computer case "Armor" before :P

they fucking dual boot for you if you want... dannng that is neat

[ivory geyser]

Aluminum armor

[umbral knot]

Aluminum and glass armor

very protective

[halcyon moss]

Pretty cringe

[ivory geyser]

What if it is bulletproof glass?

[umbral knot]

that would probably be expensive and thicc but sick af

nvm bulletproof glass isn't as expensive as I thought according to google

but it is 2cm at the thinnest

or up to 9cm

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/q90BY07oO4U oo

[latent mural]

yo does anyone here know how to set up rewasd double movment right? i am having issues with it

[crisp granite]

#archived_fortnite_double_movement

we made a channel

just for that

and btw

why come to wooting for help with rewasd?

just makes no sense to me

[latent mural]

oh bc idk where elso to go lmao

they dont got a disc

[crisp granite]

ok

to my smöl peabrain, it just made as much sense as stuffing your penis in a blender

so thanks for showing the logic behind it

and wooting made their own software for double movement

download is on the site

[pale sigil]

x.x damn

6800XTs were in stock on amd.com for a good few min

£564.44 vs 833

cant go wrong

[crisp granite]

damn