🔌│tech

[proud nacelle]

then again as he said ymmv

[zenith sonnet]

Those are some pretty numbers

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/mj5c4j/ryzen_5900x_fclk_1900_with_gskill_tridentz_neo/

9ns less than my 3700X with 3666 14-13-13

[astral haven]

that seems quite bad for a 3800 c14

[zenith sonnet]

🤔

Not the best, but not bad either

I don't think you can reasonably break 50ns even with 2000 IF, though

[astral haven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/328891236918493184/817839160759943178/PXL_20210306_192010931.jpg?width=1223&height=917

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/328891236918493184/817870412288884786/oh_and_this_can_totally_be_improved_a_ton.PNG?width=1630&height=917

just had to scroll a bunch
but sub 50 zen 3 is a thing

[ashen spindle]

https://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2021/0098419.html

👀

[analog aspen]

@old marlin been jumping back and forth between the Razer Viper 8k (~70g) and G Pro Superlight (~60g).
The weight difference is definitely noticeable. But I really have no idea whether it impacts my aiming if at all xD
What are your opinions? I honestly feels like 70g feels nicer to hold, but the 60g feels better to hold (for both long run and rapid swipes)

Everything feels so marginal nowadays

I’d probably perform the same on a DA2017 as I would on the RVU

[old marlin]

difference in shape is probably the bigger impact

[analog aspen]

Viper and G Pro obviously have different shapes and performance proven to be the same

If not marginal

Original G Pro is obviously bad because it’s back-heavy

But it’s centered on the Superlight so that gap has closed now

[fickle ore]

with logitech you get firmware updates that increase mouse latency and double clicks

[old marlin]

lol

[fickle ore]

gl, its a way of pain

[old marlin]

true

but

will barely matter

if the shape would be better for you

[fickle ore]

dunno 60g still to fat for me

[analog aspen]

I’m gonna give the m2k a try see whether 20g will help me spin osu! Circle faster with less tendinitis

But that’s about it

Idk I’m still trying around but definitely not blindly on-boarding the giga-light mouses hype train

[analog aspen]

My personal opinion is “just get fit”

[fickle ore]

logi bullshittery

[analog aspen]

Full length everything so I can actually read

[fickle ore]

U dont need those thats why I collapsed them

xD

[analog aspen]

Chakram core still at the best nice

[fickle ore]

funny how from g203 the latency has somehow getting smaller.. or when u look it the other way around they probably started as low as superlight and firmwares increased lag little by little.

[analog aspen]

Superlight wired has fastest latency? How

[fickle ore]

and superlight will be 3-5ms in couple years too

[analog aspen]

Feels like they increases it as people starting to complain about double clicking

[fickle ore]

yes

or no

[analog aspen]

Would be nice if it’s an adjustable option like Burst Pro

[fickle ore]

they have mathed it out

[analog aspen]

What is this sorcery

[fickle ore]

function of odixation depth and average usage hours and switch type

[analog aspen]

But they release new batch tho

Those don’t age the same with the first batches

[fickle ore]

doesn't matter, they have to have 1 firmware per model so its a blanket fix for all mice with even new switches

so no logikek for me

[analog aspen]

Also you sure it changes with time?

Maybe can just use onboard memory forever xD

[fickle ore]

they have increased latency in the past and admitted to it. we dont have reflex data for it so think of it what you want as we can't say for sure

[analog aspen]

Anyways I haven’t really gotten any marginal performance difference since EC1-B

That’s all the G Pro RVU Superlight etc that comes after

My life could’ve gotten easier

[fickle ore]

fml

[analog aspen]

I have no idea what that means because you shortened everything

I’ll just assume it’s bad

[fickle ore]

6330µS avg and 586 SD

[analog aspen]

1 microsecond = 1000ms?

So 6.3ms?

[fickle ore]

yes

[analog aspen]

5ms is noticeable = my rule of thumb

Noticeable doesn’t mean react-able

[fickle ore]

statistically significant difference is enough for me, even if it's 1ms or less

[analog aspen]

You notice a drop of water flying towards your eye but you won’t close it on time

Despite blinking muscles are the fastest, most reactive muscles on the body

Damn this means some of these mice actually reached sub 1ms latency

Props

Viper 8k claims to have 0.125ms latency

I honestly doesn’t see myself clicking faster (the switch they use is 10g heavier)

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/-JVikVcjMIE

Arch linux install without doing everything manually

Official installer script! Awesome

:')

What if you forget to install some crucial system package and nothing works?

But it still boots into the desktop

My friend found a way to connect to wifi on the raspberry pi from command line and I forget how he did it

Cause we installed ubuntu server onto it

I remember he added the SSID and password into some text file and rebooted and when we rebooted it was connected to the wifi

Hmm
Where does the OS store login details for wifi? In curious now

The desktop then?
Cause in the wifi setting for plasma, I let's me choose to store the login details for just my user unencrypted or for the system encrypted

Or is it the other way around
Idk rn

[ivory geyser]

Plaintext file in steal_here folder

[wheat plume]

Xd

But it must be somewhere in the OS cause on the Pi we just entered the details into a file and rebooted to make it work

[zenith sonnet]

Guess I missed the RMA window for mine
Got it 2 years and 3 months ago, and I'm having some issues with double clicks :/

[zenith sonnet]

I don't know what I wanna get instead, though :/

[wheat plume]

How does DeepinOS not require a password to install software? when using their software center

so am I

Im looking up how they make it not need password

ooh

ahhh hmm

[wheat plume]

🤔 interesting aliases by default

[reef tundra]

gti

[wheat plume]

sl xd

you are a USB A-hole phil

[misty saffron]

ok

[reef tundra]

USB C is better

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-launch-zen3-based-ryzen-threadripper-5000-chagall-in-august

Hmm, Threadripper

[crimson wigeon]

Yes please

[cursive summit]

Man AMD really made CPUs progress quite fast

I believe 10 cores in 2016 was like 999$

Now for that price you can get quite a bit more

[ashen spindle]

meh zen3 tr isnt as interresting

epyc 3rd gen has already almost maxed out TDP and we see some issues of the 19% ipc improvements not fully scaling there so I dont think TR can really do a big upgrade aside from usecases where you probably dont want one anyway

[cursive summit]

Tbh Zen4 is far more intriguing

Need to see the Alder Lake v Rafael bloodbath

[zenith sonnet]

Well yeah, even on 12/16 core parts the 19% IPC scales into barely any multithreaded performance at all

[astral haven]

Zen 3 tr might be on 6nm tho

[cursive summit]

Since threadrippers don't really have "refreshes", yeah N6 node is possible

[ashen spindle]

doubt it

would mean they use chiplets for TR around the same time they release warhol/trento etc.?

no way they would prioritise TR over retail or servers

[analog aspen]

Open a support ticket and they’ll give you a firmware that raises click latency in hope of fixing it 👍

[proper crystal]

Zen 3 Threadripper won't be N6. That's ludicrous idea.

It will be the same core chiplets on N7, and the same IOD as Milan, on GloFo 12nm finFET.

[reef patrol]

https://www.trtworld.com/business/egypt-demands-over-1b-in-damages-after-suez-canal-blockage-45537

Sure is a good thing the Lekker boards weren't on that specific ship huh, @hexed gyro ? xD

[zenith sonnet]

Is the ship and all goods on board even worth a combined 1 billion?

Anyway, that's ransom no matter now you look at it

then the Ever Given and its some $3.5 billion worth of cargo

Well, that's answered already

Still ransom

[reef tundra]

That is an absolute dick move. You need to pay a fee to even cross it, you have to let two experts in to guide you and it was a "act-of-god". The fee should be and is already enough to cover the liability of having the risk of blockage causing total loss of revenue. They could also have denied entry if they didnt want to risk it. They made their bed and now have to lie in it

Its like you ask/demand your money back when you lose in a casino

Trucks already can hold millions worth in cargo

[cursive summit]

Cherbourg Project 2.0 intensifies

"The British personnel, who had heard the media reports of the disappearance of the Israeli boats from French port of Cherbourg, correctly guessed the boat's nationalities and true destination, then flashed the signal "bon voyage".

Man that's the most English thing to do

Fuck the French once more

[reef patrol]

The shipping firms are usually on the other end of that.

Given how they're basically a mafia that will happily blackmail ports into either doing what they say or threaten to freeze them out.

[lethal wasp]

my pc was infected with a bitcoin miner and I can't run sfc /scannnow or anything :c

I have no idea how/why as I don't torrent etc

[reef tundra]

kill the process using administrative privilages

[lethal wasp]

it's bricked my anti virus and I think it's messing with malwarebytes

[reef patrol]

Hop into safemode.

[reef tundra]

Safemode

[reef patrol]

Or boot up from a USB Linux and scan the entire PC.

[reef tundra]

Safemode only boots windows and the drivers

[lethal wasp]

will I be able to run system repair

[reef tundra]

Unless you got a malicious driver software it wont autostart

[reef patrol]

Personally - If it's gotten bad enough that you can't even do a Scannow. It's time to nuke the install xD

[reef patrol]

Cause AV doesn't fix problems. It just removes the bad stuff.

[crimson wigeon]

just remove it loool 4Head

[pale sigil]

I mean

[lethal wasp]

it infected lots of system 32 processes

infact it's only where it resides

[pale sigil]

THey should be made accountable tbh

[reef patrol]

Oh I agree.

Not sure holding them ransom is the "nice" way to do it though.

[reef tundra]

Two

[lethal wasp]

it's taken my admin privileges :c

[reef tundra]

BECOME THE ROOT OF YOUR BOOT

[wheat plume]

:O Pamac got a massive change in UI. wtf?!

[vagrant pagoda]

Get tronscript

[reef tundra]

No backup means the data doesnt exist

[crimson wigeon]

What even is a backup

[cursive summit]

OneDrive

kappa

[crimson wigeon]

But I want more than just one drive!

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/rFO6NyLIP7M

[lethal wasp]

I was able to run sfc scannow in safe mode

my windows settings are fucky though

will reset this PC revert those kinds of settings?

[reef tundra]

C++ teacher? damn, I only had a C teacher.

[crimson wigeon]

I hear it might even damage your precious CPU

[misty saffron]

i'm not seeing what's wrong with that

if it has no bugs you have no code to modify

oh well

[ashen spindle]

tease for a reviews thats overdue and just shows no point using it?

[astral haven]

Nah bioses are ultra hard to make, they don't even wait for it to post for sure they just make sure it posts at least once out of every 10 tries and retries 10 times

Except for asus, asus has 2 engineers working on their bioses instead of just 1, so they can make it work 50% of the time

And yes there are some companies whose name is also a unit of storage measurement who a friend of mine worked with their only bios engineer to try to fix a memory boot bug

Problem is stutter

When the game cache misses it hitches haaaard

[ashen spindle]

Can’t say I ever noticed that on either csgo or tf2 at all with my 5600x

[zenith sonnet]

Guess when they say raytracing, they mean an implementation of RTX that also runs (poorly) on AMD cards

[wheat plume]

Can I have whatever drugs this guy is on?

OOS = OxygenOS = the android that oneplus have on their phones

[astral haven]

Oneui has improved a ton, it's getting quite close to stock

[vagrant pagoda]

The 3070/3060ti 1% are terrible

[pale sigil]

Ngl I sometimes miss vessel

[atomic wharf]

raytracing is still a gimmick at this point, no point in enabling it

[astral haven]

wut

[atomic wharf]

oneui still has shit ton of samsung bloatware inside, just use custom ROM instead imo

[pale sigil]

In the recent wan show linus seems to be pretty strict on staff and their social media presence

Which sounds so bizare to me

For example he didn't like them streaming for a while

Or making their own videos (which is somewhat reasonable but also kinda bad) and if they do they have to ask linus

I guess

But restricting what a person can do outside of work is kinda lame

I understand to a degree

A few people threw the world around "abusive"

During the stream

There were other things

That sounded pretty meh

Again I get it to some degree

But stuff like this

[vast moss]

a what face?

[pale sigil]

https://twitter.com/Anjyoun/status/1377355077308977152?s=19

Anthony Young (@Anjyoun)

I stay quiet about certain topics so as not to harm LMG, but too many need to hear it, especially now.

Today is #TransDayOfVisibility. If you are trans, non-binary, queer, or nonconforming, you are valid. I support you.

If I lose followers for this, so be it. Trans rights.

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Twitter · Mar 31, 2021, 8:20 PM

Linus said he had to moan at someone recently

Maddison hasn't really said anything

Afaik

Or done anything

As I was curious

Only thing j could find was this really

I disagree

They are allows to be their own person seperate from LTT

As proven by luke...

But as said that isn't an issue anymore I regards to twitch

Linus is chill with it but never used to be

However any content outside of LTT even if not related to the channel

Has to be done via float plane

Again I get it to a certain degree

But I don't like the normalisation of being suppressed and still working outside of work

[neat oriole]

If you invest in someone and then they turn around and leave to create a competitor with your training how would you feel?

It’s perfectly reasonable to make sure your employees aren’t actively trying to compete against you

[pale sigil]

Again

[neat oriole]

And as Linus said, he had a pretty strict guideline for Luke when he first started streaming

[pale sigil]

I get that

But being so restrictive is just wrong

[neat oriole]

But then he decided LMG would never pursue streaming so he opened it up to everyone

[pale sigil]

On social media Anthony shouldn't feel so scared

To post his opinion

Like that

[astral haven]

if you are a face, you need to be careful 🤷‍♂️

their fault for being on camera as part of a social media company

[neat oriole]

It’s more than reasonable imo

They’re a social media company

[reef tundra]

Also the liability for companies as it brings the risk of them saying something not cash money. If people only would target their differing opinion to the employee and not redirect it towards the company aswell. Its a financial risk. Guilt by association

[pale sigil]

Just realised something

Literally do all this myself

With wooting

Haha

[astral haven]

to be fair tho wooting isnt exactly a social media company

[pale sigil]

Sometimes I don't hold back though.

[pale sigil]

Yes but I have been told off for saying certain things etc

[astral haven]

yup

[pale sigil]

And have to be careful what I say in public in general

Especially reddit

[neat oriole]

Well yeah

[pale sigil]

Idk if im truly passionate about something

That I really believe in

I will say something

[neat oriole]

As an employee you’re sort of an ambassador so things you say could reflect on wooting

[astral haven]

yup

and social media can be considered part of customer service

and bad customer service is problems

[reef tundra]

Even purely and clearly defined personal accounts would have the risk of bringing heat to the company

[pale sigil]

Ye I get that

I just think it's toxic to make your employees worry about whet they say in their personal time.

Yes I get it to a certain extent

I really do

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ its a shame that it is that way but i dont see how it could be any other way

[pale sigil]

Tbf I've always said if j become famous im deleting my social media 😅

[neat oriole]

Well you probably don’t have to act like a PR manager when talking in private to your family

[pale sigil]

Well social media being twitter

[neat oriole]

Alternatively find employment with someone who lines up with your personal values

Then every hot take is still on brand

[pale sigil]

Or

Start a small youtube channel for the big retail store you work for then branch into your own channel once you start to get views and go from there!

[neat oriole]

NCIX and LTT weren’t competitors

[reef tundra]

The standard is lower for employees and their behavior. Unless you say/do/do something severe (like advocating for cp, political(especially nazi retoric, holocaust denial. conspiracism, etc), or somein. It wont cause issues

[pale sigil]

No but linus signed the contract he was very vocal about being hassle etc

The exact same ones he makes his employees sign

He's scared of his employees doing exactly what he did

[astral haven]

no?

[reef tundra]

That is hypocracy

[neat oriole]

Again, LTT and NCIX weren’t competitors

[astral haven]

^

you cant make a social media channel while working for a social media company

[reef tundra]

LTT was the resultants of NCIX i believe

[astral haven]

unless the company has decided not to use a certain social media

[pale sigil]

Yes, he took that idea had had for thst company

[neat oriole]

If anything NCIX benefited from LTT’s existence

[pale sigil]

And then made it into his own

[astral haven]

did you watch the lan show where he explained it?

[pale sigil]

Even though he signed an agreement

Saying he couldn't do so

He literally wasn't allowed

To make his own channel

Without breaching the contract

He had to lawyer up

[neat oriole]

His idea for NCIX was to switch to smaller brick and morter stores so they could get acquired by amazon

[astral haven]

again ncix is not a social media company

[pale sigil]

I'm on about the video aspect

LTT wasn't originally a social media company

[astral haven]

ncix doesnt make money from youtube videos

wut

[pale sigil]

Was just a tech channel in a house

Oh

Wait j get what you mean

Bleh the idea regardless

The concept etc

Was owned by them still

[neat oriole]

They were a social media company run out of Linus’ house

[astral haven]

yes the idea was owned but thats just ip

ip can be bought and sold no problem

[pale sigil]

Which they wouldn't let go

[astral haven]

i mean they did?

[pale sigil]

Not without a fight

[astral haven]

no?

[pale sigil]

And asking stupid demands

Yes?

Example linus still had to make videos for them

For x amount of time

[astral haven]

thats not a fight lel

[pale sigil]

Lawyers got involved

Thats a fight

[astral haven]

i can assure you that no

[pale sigil]

They had multiple offers

Etc

Linus rejected multiple and so did ncix

[astral haven]

not according to linus 🤷‍♂️

[pale sigil]

The point is the very agreement he signed with that company and caused him issued etc is the very agreement he makes his employees sign

[astral haven]

no

when did he ever say he had any issue with the agreement he signed?

i dont remember that at all?

[pale sigil]

In multiple videos he talked about how it was difficult to get rights to do it bevsuse of said contracts

And thst it was a back and fourth issue

[astral haven]

did he ever say he had any issue with that?

[pale sigil]

Till they come with an agreement

Yes

When they went bust he said it all

[neat oriole]

Iirc originally the LTT channel was only to be worked on off work hours

[astral haven]

yea he wasnt happy that he couldnt get the ncix channel

[pale sigil]

As they had no legal grounds anymore

As another agreement was to keep the terms silent etc

No

Not that

The fact he wasn't allowed to make his own channel

He wanted to also take the channel but that was a seperate thing

But ye when they went bust linus literally said since I'm not longer legally tied I can discuss how it went down

And he talked about all this stuff

Ugh oh

Calder is here

Gonna go hide

[astral haven]

lel

yea i just dont remember exactly what video it was in so im looking it up rn

[reef tundra]

[hexed gyro]

1bn in damages isn't the value of goods on the ship itself - if Egypt is demanding it, then it's for loss in revenue and repairs to the canal.

Depending on the cause of blockage was human error, technical, or "force majeur" it will decide who and if they have a claim right.

This should be stipulated in a service contract with the suez canal if what Lordpanda says it's true, being that they need to pay a toll + escort fee.

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-tom-the-cat-phew-relieved-sigh-gif-17213206

[astral haven]

lol

[hexed gyro]

I'm reading now $3.5 billion worth of cargo - ok

[astral haven]

on just that one ship?

[pale sigil]

Ship itself is cheap af

[astral haven]

yea so what about the 40? other ships that ended up stuck

[hexed gyro]

(I'm not a lwayer, but just basics) The ships that ended up stuck, they can't claim damages unless they were guaranteed passage and it's stipulated in a contract they're compensated for breach of contract - Breach being for example not getting passage within x days.

Same goes for their insurance and what is exactly stipulated in the insurance. It's a manner of finding the border of definitions, that's what you'd have a good lawyer for.

Usually a contract also limited the amount of damage that a company can possible claim for breach.

if there's no contract at all or a very weak contract, then it's a free reign, and you get things like Egypt keeping a ship hostage as leverage

[astral haven]

im somewhat surprised that noone is really talking about the specifics of the contract

youd think that the contract controlling 10% of the world economy would be public

[neat oriole]

I re-watched the bit of the wan show after NCIX went bust and basically the only reason they had lawyers involved was to do it by the books so that when NCIX collapsed, their creditors couldn’t claim LTT.

Maybe there’s more where he talked about it but idk

Seems like he trained the new NCIX people how to make videos and then peaced out with Luke and Edsel

LTT had 240k subs at that time

[astral haven]

iirc the only thing that linus ever whined about was not getting the channel or the play buttons

[neat oriole]

Yeah he was sad he couldn’t get them for the NCIX channel

[astral haven]

and he wasnt too sad about the play buttons since the person who got it had zero play buttons and deserved one

[neat oriole]

Oh yeah I think there was some drama around that

Like some guy who had 100k subs but something happened to his button or something?

Don’t remember too much

[young pecan]

Have any of you guys had experience setting up acoustic panels and bass traps?

The tech looks extremely interesting, fucking expensive, tho...

[reef tundra]

https://www.suezcanal.gov.eg/English/Navigation/Tolls/Pages/MarketingPoliciesAndTollRebates.aspx
Official source from Seuz Canal Authority.
The image from their Rules of Navigation, see
https://www.suezcanal.gov.eg/English/Navigation/Pages/RulesOfNavigation.aspx

The rules of navigation also go into the "terms of use" and liability, if interrested.

In anyway it is going to be very complex legally and you need a lot of smart competent lawyers to figure the mess out

[astral haven]

its how people work

[reef patrol]

I was mostly referring to the whole "Welp. Lekker boards delayed again due to bring taken hostage for damages payouts" hilarity. Had they been onboard

[wheat plume]

still the thumbnail genius

[wheat plume]

oh hey.... This is the first time I had both plugged in with USB and they show as separate outputs here

[cursive summit]

That shouldn't be the case though

Well maybe with USB, it is

But hyperx does the whole double input thingy

[wheat plume]

yeh cause these headphones have a mic too

that I happened to lose..... .-.

but the input channel stil shows up

[atomic wharf]

it should be separate output

[atomic wharf]

they have different programs and are not standardised

[wheat plume]

yeh, all good here
I just cant get the speakers to be used once I power them on

[atomic wharf]

you need to manually change the output every time

[wheat plume]

I didnt have to wen I had my headphones plugged in with the front jack

it auto switched to speakers when I turned them on and back to headphones when turned off

[atomic wharf]

front jack and the rear jacks are using the same microsoft audio controller so you can do this, but it will not function the same when using discrete USB connection

[wheat plume]

I prefer Linux's way... it does autochange back and fourth even over USB

well, last time it did, I havent connected them with USB in a good bit now

[ashen spindle]

so if I plug in a controller it would switch in and output to the controller.. yeah not thanks I'd rather have the MS way

[wheat plume]

no, audio devices

[ashen spindle]

yes

[wheat plume]

Controller isnt audio device

[ashen spindle]

at least ps4 controllers have audio/mic inlcuded

[wheat plume]

oh hmm

[ashen spindle]

and shows up as audio device

[atomic wharf]

or like me i use external DAC and a discrete mic

[wheat plume]

I have a discrete mic

cause I lost my headset one

[ashen spindle]

and I plug my controller in much more than any actual audio device so I much prefer it not changing it every time

[wheat plume]

you can tell it to switch

it doesnt normally

[atomic wharf]

haven't tried the jack on the controller though

[wheat plume]

yeah same

[ashen spindle]

[wheat plume]

yeh cause I set up that way

just get pulseaudio control setting

[ashen spindle]

so it's not linux way but you prefer your settings...

[wheat plume]

idk how to do that on windows

so yeah, I can do it on Linux, so I prefer it cause of that

[atomic wharf]

win10 is wonky so i just go with it

[ashen spindle]

but that's not prefering one over the other that's just knowing the settings in one and not the other

[wheat plume]

oookk then

I need to find out how to do that in windows, I thought simply making the speakers the default output would work but it doesnt

Unless you need a reboot to apply that setting?

[atomic wharf]

reboot does nothing

[wheat plume]

I noticed :/

I bet I need third party software

oh...it works now

I restarted firefox, which I using to play audio from

[misty saffron]

xbox controllers have audio output too

[ashen spindle]

thought so

just never had one so wasnt sure

[wheat plume]

wot? mine doesnt, I have the one s controller

wait, nvm its at the bottom of it

[old marlin]

[ashen spindle]

...

[old marlin]

afaik early ones did not

or was it just that later ones also got a mic input

[reef tundra]

I have 360 controllers with the mic input

[old marlin]

ye

[wheat plume]

What is this port?

[misty saffron]

accessories

[wheat plume]

🤔 ahh

like those keyboard things I saw once

aha, it does the same thing now too :D I like this application a lot

[reef tundra]

Seems like its a micro USB port

Maybe even usb-c

[misty saffron]

no its wider

[wheat plume]

its shaped like a wider micro usb

[old marlin]

physically looks like mini hdmi

aka

mini hdmi

not micro hdmi though

[wheat plume]

looks like mini c?

oh wait thats hdmi

[old marlin]

ye the standards are also called HDMI A, B, C etc

like USB

but B never got used

and E is just for cars

[rapid moss]

proprietary connector, most likely usb-2.0 signals and some other

[wheat plume]

I dont get python

I have to make an "error dialog box" despite this being a script that runs in terminal and usually is meant to be run automatically

why tf we need a popup window in terminal mode?

[reef tundra]

Windows.h library contains a function to call a messagebox

[misty saffron]

library 🤔

[reef tundra]

header file

[misty saffron]

pretty sure MessageBoxA is in user32.dll

[reef tundra]

It does what it wants, as long as it does what it needs. Good for C/C++ access to the windows api and co

[wheat plume]

my exact instructions are "instead of simply printing..do an error dialog box and raise systemexit"

[reef tundra]

Give the kernel the signal to kill the process themselves

[wheat plume]

I really really hate that , is both the argument separator and the concat symbol in python

[pale sigil]

Meh evga rejected to pay duties etc

For mh psu

So now it's being sent back to me

[wheat plume]

:/

[old marlin]

so you will have a functional one that you have to pay import for

and a broken one they didn't wanna accept

?

[crisp granite]

brexit hurts, don't it?

[reef patrol]

Welp - They broke the deal. Now you have a working PSU and a Dead one. Not bad?

[wheat plume]

Dialog box go brrr

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/--H4Kp5fa58

owo

[true quest]

apple crying and shaking rn

[wheat plume]

yep :')

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1379453086356344836

𝐷𝑟. 𝐼𝑎𝑛 𝐶𝑢𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 (@IanCutress)

*660mm2 is a rough estimate based on wafer photos. Intel no longer provides die sizes, transistor counts, or physical in-silicon core counts (!) for its Xeon processors

Twitter · Apr 6, 2021, 3:16 PM

[high heath]

what the

[ashen spindle]

aka we dont tell you because 10nm is broken and dont want to tell you how much is disabled so we can make it work

[high heath]

mystery cpus now

if the price is bigger then better

[ashen spindle]

no read again, that's not what he said

[high heath]

oh so no nm measurement

[ashen spindle]

..no

https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1379454081153052672

𝐷𝑟. 𝐼𝑎𝑛 𝐶𝑢𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 (@IanCutress)

@iWalkingCorpse They'll say how many cores a SKU has, and how many threads. But they won't tell me the # that is physically on the silicon. No mention of XCC/HCC/LCC this generation.

Twitter · Apr 6, 2021, 3:20 PM

[high heath]

okay

interesting

[zenith sonnet]

10nm is working, we swear

[proper crystal]

It is.

[old marlin]

intel trying to stay competitive with these

[crisp granite]

that kind of pricing?

seriously?

[old marlin]

pricing is not even the biggest issue

imo

[crisp granite]

true

[ashen spindle]

pricing doesnt matter it's just for show anyway

[old marlin]

biggest issue is that they have too little core count

[ashen spindle]

nobody on amd or intel side ends up paying tray pricing

[old marlin]

like 40C is not that much

[crisp granite]

still, it's a token fight tbh

AMD is dominating this space

or at least should

[old marlin]

well

atm intel holds a lot of share because people have software that is optimized for intel

[crimson wigeon]

AVX512

[old marlin]

• supply is also a big factor

oh yea and AVX

in general

oh also

TDP of the 8380HL is 250W

non HL is 270W

these are 10nm mind you

[zenith sonnet]

If you exclusively run one of those five workloads where it's faster, then sure AVX512 is a consideration
Other than that, it exists to look good in benchmarks

[reef tundra]

The performance per watt on intel series is terrible compared to AMDs offering.

[zenith sonnet]

Just look at RKL needing 3.5 times as much power for a single CB run as Ryzen

[zenith sonnet]

Well, how are they gonna sell them to business customers without a fancy "our CPU is 1.5 times faster per core than AMD at this specific synthetic workload! Also, here's 50$ to ignore the rumour that AMD has 1.5 times more cores for half the money."

[crimson wigeon]

Sounds good I'll have 20

[proper crystal]

The biggest problem for Ice Lake isn't the comparison to AMD or ARM stuff.

It's the platform "appeal".

[ashen spindle]

as someone pointed out a while ago, dont remember who, it's a bit awkward with SPR so soon after and those using ddr5/CXL so moving all the interconnects to pcie4 for just one platform seems a but awkward

ah

https://www.servethehome.com/the-2021-intel-ice-pickle-how-2021-will-be-crunch-time/

[proper crystal]

Well the PCIe 4 add-in card ecosystem is quite good thanks to Rome.
But the bigger issue is that SPR is supposedly quite close, and Ice Lake platform is an orphan with no upgrade paths.

[ashen spindle]

yea

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/enCe7Tb_7e8

[wheat plume]

oooo I got the gnome 40 update

[analog aspen]

What’s the difference between glossy and matte mouse?

[astral haven]

glossy is shiny and matte isnt
yes thats actually the only significant difference

[vast moss]

One attracts a lot of fingerprints; the other not as much

[old marlin]

If you have dry hands glossy is grippier

[analog aspen]

I have normal hands and live in dry cold climate (mountain). But I guess I’ll stick with Matte since I always liked grainy surface for gripping

G Pro Superlight white version’s coating is so nice I like it the best out of all the mices I got

Never owned a glossy mice tho. But I ordered m2k

[old marlin]

I have normal hands

you are aware that some people just have sweaty hands and some don't?

[analog aspen]

True I just meant normal as in somewhat dry but tiny specs of sweat covering the glands
So somewhere in the middle

[old marlin]

glossy is prob better for you then

also luckily it is MUCH easier to get a mouse glossy than it is to get it matte

[analog aspen]

Yeah the reason I asked is because there’s option to sandblast the m2k

It comes glossy exactly like M1K

Sand blasting extra production step so could potentially create more problems.
I don’t know if I should give glossy mouse a try
I tried touching my monitor arm is has glossy surface. The grip is fine but I prefer grainy surface over smooth surface (feels cleaner for some reason)

[wheat plume]

bruh....

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

teknology

[pale sigil]

Today I learned

If you send a doc file via email on ios

It concerts it to a

.page file

[astral haven]

and if you send pretty much anything larger than a megabyte it converts it into a link

[fickle ore]

I learned awhile ago that if I insert a high resolution pic into word and tell word not to compress it.. It's fine in word but if I need to save that word file as a pdf then it's compressed. RIP.

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.techpowerup.com/280703/microsoft-tests-new-liquid-cooling-system-for-the-data-center#comments

Not useful for us, but interesting nonetheless

But I wonder

I pot full of liquid with 4-6kW of electronics running submerged must be boiling quite violently?

Then again, a deep dryer boils more calmly than a pot of water

[astral haven]

It's a sealed container so 🤷

[old marlin]

not really anything new btw

gigabyte demoed something like that 5 years ago or something

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11046/gigabyte-server-shows-two-phase-immersion-liquid-cooling-on-a-2u-gpu-g250s88-using-3m-novec

[ashen spindle]

now repeat in english please

[pale sigil]

Madisson has really brought some new life into ltt

[ashen spindle]

oh

[timid chasm]

jesus the midnight 6800 xt didn't even show available lol

fuuuckin bots man

[ashen spindle]

might've just been for US?

[timid chasm]

Just went straight to out of stock

womp womp

[ashen spindle]

bc the few screenshots of people who got it all were in dollar

[timid chasm]

oh the page was removed now

nothing but bots who got them I'm sure

[ashen spindle]

wait it was visible for you?

I couldnt even see it

[timid chasm]

I saw it for a couple refreshes

then it was gone, took close to 10 mins to show up though

[ashen spindle]

nevermind

NOW I can see it

[timid chasm]

the page is gone now on the overall product page

https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/5496921500/us

but that's direct link for us

[ashen spindle]

https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/5496921500/de

[timid chasm]

and back on overall page now

[ashen spindle]

just change the region ending

[timid chasm]

it auto changes to us for me

[ashen spindle]

but I cant even add one of the supposedly in-stock cpus to my cart

so idk if I could've gotten it anyway

[timid chasm]

access denied now for f5ing lol

[crimson wigeon]

Feels amazing man

[ashen spindle]

Just a different cooler color, doesn’t cost more so it’s not like it matters either way

But those would be actually different skus not just a different color on the plastic ...

ok no these not the same things

ofc not

why would you make it exclusive after the last time that was done everyone shit on amd for doing that

because news like that is what people signed up for?

"hey we are having some restock of something at this time and you signed up for news about it, but we are going to sell out anyway so we ain't telling you about it despite the fact you signed up for this"

so whats the magic solution they should do instead

create a new fab in a week?

not send any emails anymore?

[crimson wigeon]

Whaddya mean 10 people managed to buy them!

[ashen spindle]

so instead they should just secretly make it, so only bots can buy it?

I dont see what other way is better

[true quest]

40 series will be out by then lol

[ashen spindle]

"I couldn't buy it so I dont want other people to have a chance either, just let bots buy them and dont tell anyone"

nothing could go wrong with that!

[true quest]

if it was getting IDd in person that would be fine

[astral haven]

You can't collect that sort of stuff

And there's no way to do that online without somehow storing the data

[ashen spindle]

yes, primarily something should be changed about the absolutely wrong perception that all this is only caused by bots/miners

[astral haven]

Yup

[ashen spindle]

im not disagreeing

[astral haven]

30-40 million new steam users need a gpu

[ashen spindle]

I'm merely saying bots almost dont matter

ok but the situation would be the exact same without them

[astral haven]

Bots can't not exist

[ashen spindle]

so its not like it's worth spending an insane ammount of effort on them

ok but nobody else was

[astral haven]

So amd shouldn't have made the consoles?

Thats not a good business decision lel

[astral haven]

Again million people a month buying each console

[ashen spindle]

aside from the 5950x, any ryzen has been in stock since forever, maybe 1 or 2 weeks with some lower stock

[astral haven]

Dunno where you live quin but that's not the situation here

In the us

[ashen spindle]

screenshot is from mindfactory

and sure it might not be the same I kinda doubt you can't buy a ryzen without bots even in the us

almost like it's easier to fulfil demand that is much lower

yeah because bitcoin matters when literally nobody mines that on gpus..

not even a nice halfcirlce rainbow smh

[astral haven]

Bitcoin price correlates extremely well with ethereum

And I mine ethereum and get paid in bitcoin 🤷

[ashen spindle]

do we have any more info on zen3 workin on x370 eventually? aside from that one "use at own risk" bios for asrock?

[fickle ore]

why care?

[ashen spindle]

buddy has x370/1600x and was looking into some upgrades

no need to upgrade more than is needed

ok but expectation doesnt really matter, person has a x370 and the question is if zen3 can be used with or without a new board, dont really care about the rest in regards to this

[limpid sparrow]

Hey guys, i owned a wooting one about two years ago but returned it because i didnt like the keys. but i realy loved the software and the idea of an analog keyboard. now i struggle with the idea to buy a wooting again and change the keycaps. Has anybody tried if the caps of the cherry mx low profile red fit on the wooting switches?

[neat oriole]

I don’t see why they wouldn’t

Same stem

[crisp granite]

already answered in questions answers

[zenith sonnet]

Twisting when pulling, mostly

If you're not aware that you should pull straight up, you might easily break one just pulling slightly sideways

It's more like: Too many things to know how everything works any more

Some people are good at engineering, some learn handiwork, others learn medicine or house keeping
The key is: be aware when you're about to break something because you don't know what you're doing

That's just a personality trait

[neat oriole]

Oh is that the cherry m whatever super low profile?

Isn’t that like a $150 option?

I remember reading somewhere it’s a pretty expensive option

https://www.pcmag.com/news/get-an-alienware-gaming-laptop-with-cherry-mxs-redesigned-keyboard-switches

According to this it’s $150

Desktop replacement

[wheat plume]

what is option 1?! "desktop"

what desktop?!

[zenith sonnet]

Wasn't there also news of a Ryzen laptop with 6800 series mobile graphics recently?

[astral haven]

Ofc

Always is

[astral haven]

wdym isnt

that alienware you showed is pretty darn thin

and its well over 8 pounds

that aint gonna be enough heatpipage for a full 3060 🤷‍♂️

its gonna be 90w or 80w

instead of the full 120w

yea not a chance itll hold that

yea zero chance it holds that if the cpu is running anything over 25w

so you might be able to run 2 cores flat out

they aint cooling 150w in 20mm

its just not happening

oh my fucking god those utter imbiciles

theres so much space on the back

smh

at least its 2.5 gbe

[astral haven]

yea the processor has a chance of being cooled, but the gpu is deffo gonna throttle

tho i guess it literally doesnt matter at 1080p since itll be cpu bound no matter what pretty much

[analog aspen]

@astral haven gave GPU OC a try today. Both 1080p preset but OC-ing Core Clock alone FurMark doesn’t crash +123 but Firestrike crash at +33 what is this sorcery xD

[astral haven]

you can be unstable without crashing

use occt to check stability

also firestrike is alot higher clock than furmark

with boosty gpus (literally any gpu after 2015) you gotta test a bunch of different levels of gpu stress

[analog aspen]

Firestrike just failed my +25

XD

Gonna try +17 now

Looks like it’s gonna crash anything not +0 at this point lmao

[astral haven]

oh dont forget that firestrike is also harsh on the cpu

even the gpu test

gpu test doesnt use avx but has pretty harsh sse

and worst case sse is more stressful than medium stress avx

[analog aspen]

I haven’t do extensive OCCT test but 5m +50 no error. I will give it a try overnight once I go to sleep, but the clocks are wild rn

Firestrike just failed +17 as well

[astral haven]

remember if your gpu is power limited you need to lower the gpu usage % slider in occt

[analog aspen]

My PSU is 1000W so I doubt it’s the case

[astral haven]

no

[analog aspen]

In MSI AfterBurner every slides is at max but the clocks

[astral haven]

gpu power

just because you maxed the slider doesnt mean you arent limited

all 10 series and later nvidia are power limited

[analog aspen]

How to know if I’m power limited then

I use 2080ti

[astral haven]

look at the power usage

if it goes up to a number and then stays there, and your clock goes down, you are power limited

[analog aspen]

In OCCT?

[astral haven]

in anything

but occt too

occt will jump straight to a lower clock usually tho

no ramping

[analog aspen]

O and for CPU I listened to you, downclocked to 5.2ghz, downed level, 0 avx offset

CPU is super stable rn

5 tests 1 hr in OCCT of Small/Extreme/AVX2-AVX-SSE

Yayyyy my GPU passed Firestrike at +9

xD

I think it’s the case actually

No point having GPU OC’d then

MSI running in the background conflicts with some overlay programs

+9 is not gonna make that much difference vs +0

[astral haven]

remember your clock is already higher than it would other wise be cause of the increased power limit

[analog aspen]

The score actually decreases going from +0 to +9

Neat

I’m looking to see if the GPU is limited by power

core clock looks like that during stress test

power%, reached ~105% and stays there

[astral haven]

you can also open hwinfo

[analog aspen]

Ooo

[analog aspen]

Yeah I have both Power and Ultilization limit at maximum

According to hwinfo it’s basically normal tho until they allow their cards to draw more

But you’d always hit that wall when OC-ing and stress testing anyways

[astral haven]

you can choose not to with occt

[cursive summit]

https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2021-04-07-amd-and-xilinx-stockholders-overwhelmingly-approve-amd-s-acquisition

[astral haven]

well yes

[analog aspen]

What do you mean

[cursive summit]

So, I found something amazing today

In my search a good hifi headphone piece

I found the Hifiman Deva

Which is, apparently, livelier sounding than Sundaras, with a BT adapter, and an included amp/dac in the package

Same price if not cheaper than the Sundaras

That sounds like a great deal

[old marlin]

the deva is effectively the same as the he500 btw

same drivers

[cursive summit]

He 500s are like 599

This is with the bluetooth dongle, a dac/amp and the headphones, 299

Isn't that a great deal?

[old marlin]

yea

well

you prob don't wanna use bluetooth for most things

[cursive summit]

People are saying Hifimans have a lacklustre soundstage, but sometimes it works in their favour

The deva sounds livelier than the Sundara apparently

[old marlin]

have not listened to them a lot yet

[cursive summit]

More fun sound

[old marlin]

due to my brothers he400is falling apart

and me not buying a cable fitting my amp because of that

[cursive summit]

How were the 400i's?

[old marlin]

he liked them

like I said though

they fell apart

[cursive summit]

Are they "high end"?

[old marlin]

he replaced ear polsters 3 times in a year

and the plastic rings holding the grates on the sides start to loosen over time

causing them to rattle at certain frequencies

[cursive summit]

Like I just need a high end sound, not to worry about any new headphones ever again

[old marlin]

like

they sound great when they function right

but that isn't always the case

also the 2021 revision apparently got worse again

[cursive summit]

So I guess they'll trump my K371s

[old marlin]

yea idk

I'd guess so

[cursive summit]

Especially with an included dac/amp

[old marlin]

well

BT is kinda dogshit

for anything but listeining to music

[cursive summit]

Thats mostly all I do

[old marlin]

also runtime seems kinda bad?

5 hours a charge

wait

what

Bluemini Battery Life : 7-10 Hours (Bluetooth); 4-5 Hours (USB DAC no charging)

I probably would be pissed with one side being heavier

but prob something very subjective

[cursive summit]

I'll need to research more about this particular option

Might be a really good find

I need something that sounds high end for the cheapest price

Sundaras will net me like 300€, I'll need 300€ or so extra for amp/dac

This is an all in one package that supposedly sounds better than the base Sundaras? So I'm really in for that

[zenith sonnet]

Well, I sorta agree? Compared to my AKGs, at least

[cursive summit]

Like I need to spend as little money as possible for high end sound

This looks to be a really good offering ngl

[misty saffron]

i'm completely happy with my sundara

[cursive summit]

Do you got a dac and an amp attached to it?

[misty saffron]

fiio something

[cursive summit]

Cause I can try finding online used Sundaras for 250€

But this thing the whole package brand new is 299€

[misty saffron]

k5 pro

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/4SBDH5uhs4Q woah :O

[zenith sonnet]

I'm still on an E10K, and it's definitely too weak for them :/
Getting something new is also really not that easy

[pale sigil]

PiHole is great

but stop killing my spotify

[reef patrol]

Then start paying for it xD

[pale sigil]

i do

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tableflip-angry-gif-4849879

Spotify still injects ads or some shit

which causes my songs to randomly stip etc

[zenith sonnet]

Then why use it?

[pale sigil]

use what

pihole or spotify

[reef patrol]

Yes

[pale sigil]

ok

its not pihole

fuck it

re installing it

when in doubt

re install

[wheat plume]

🤔

the same thing happens for my friend on the phone app

for the last few months, it doesnt play the song he wants, or stops playing no reason or gets ads despite having premium

[pale sigil]

ohh

spotify got a gui update/

[wheat plume]

o?

[pale sigil]

oh i think its just darker

or something

ok ye

fuck you spotify

[wheat plume]

that isnt new xd

[pale sigil]

its having issues

[wheat plume]

Yeah...

[pale sigil]

like

i have no blocks on etc

i pay for it

and its hitching up

i noticed it more recently

https://www.reddit.com/r/spotify/comments/mmokuw/spotify_constantly_pausing/

https://www.reddit.com/r/spotify/comments/mmn6bz/playback_issues_on_mac_app_and_web_browser/

[reef patrol]

No issues on my end. I use it all day everyday

[pale sigil]

Got a free smart watch

cheap chinese one

expectations very low

but actually surprised....

smart watches have come a long way

[reef tundra]

Small oled touch screen with bluetooth and a battery to bind around your wrist

[pale sigil]

It does everything fitbit does

which surprised me a lot

😂

[reef tundra]

Hmmm. Which one?

[pale sigil]

What fitbit?

[old marlin]

?

that was the question

[pale sigil]

Was asking if they meant fitbut

or the wwatch itself i got

[old marlin]

ah

I mean

[reef tundra]

Which chinesium you got to bind around

[old marlin]

you could have just answered both

[pale sigil]

Fitbit Charge 4

Which i also have

[reef tundra]

Jeez they expensive

Maybe 5 usd to produce in large enough quantities. Marketing is going to be most of the costs probably.

[pale sigil]

xd

ye

Anyone know if its possible to convert my front panel usb c to mobo usb 3?

as my mobo doesn;t have usb c

x.x

as in

for front io

[reef tundra]

Yes,,,? you can put an adapter usb-c to usb3

also in reverse

[pale sigil]

ugh

sec

[halcyon moss]

usb-a ?

[pale sigil]

nonon

[reef patrol]

Yes...but

[reef patrol]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cablecc-Socket-Extension-Adapter-Motherboard-USB3-0-20Pin-USB3-1/dp/B07P99532V

If you think it's worth giving up a USB slot for C.

[pale sigil]

tis a shame, this would have been great to use as a front io thing

something i also got free

[reef tundra]

Weird connector tho

[pale sigil]

usb c dock?

[reef tundra]

No the mobo header

[pale sigil]

ye lol

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume

You needed new headphones right?

Look no further, I found the best new thing

https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/he400i-2020-version.html

Apparently the HE 400i 2020 version is 400$ headphones just priced down

[wheat plume]

O.o

[cursive summit]

They ship from EU it seems

[wheat plume]

interesting....

[cursive summit]

Apparently it sounds really good

It's planars also so

Take that as you will

[wheat plume]

oh yeh... apparently those sounds amazing

[cursive summit]

So if you are in the market for headphones

The 2020 model of HE 400i seems to be overwhelmingly positively received

I am looking at the Hifiman Deva rn

And the review says "One thing that is worth mentioning is that the Deva is a similar headphone to Hifiman’s He400i 2020. The biggest difference between the two when it comes to the sound is a slightly different timbre. That’s actually a great thing, as we still think the 400i is THE headphone to beat in the +/- $200 price market."

Deva costs 299

[wheat plume]

wtf is timbre?

is this site safe?

[cursive summit]

That's the official hifiman store..

[wheat plume]

idk what hifiman is but ... ok then!

[cursive summit]

What

[wheat plume]

?

[wheat plume]

oooh

[cursive summit]

I'd say Hifiman is very close to Sennheisers in terms of sound quality

[wheat plume]

oh wow

[cursive summit]

They make good shit, for a good price

[wheat plume]

the website says EU customers onl;y but shows currency in dollars

nice

[cursive summit]

I mean, it's even cheaper then

EUR > USD

[old marlin]

has to do with it being a clearance sale for EU warehouses

[old marlin]

afaik the 2020 is the best version of the HE400i

still does not solve the major quality concerns though

[wheat plume]

huh? such as?

[misty saffron]

sennheiser is a meme

[cursive summit]

It seems according to the majority of the reviewers to be an incredibly good sounding piece of headphones

[old marlin]

the plastic ring retaining the grills loosens

[wheat plume]

after how long?

[old marlin]

making the grills rattle at certain frequencies

[old marlin]

months

[wheat plume]

Ive had my clouds for 5 years and they are still 100% solid

except the earpads

[pale sigil]

Damn

[misty saffron]

just get a homepod

easy

[old marlin]

you can expect that you can replace the earpads and plastic rings like every 3-6 months

[pale sigil]

My phones battery already disappointingme

[old marlin]

or get aftermarket earpads and do a grillmod

[wheat plume]

oh gosh

I like to just buy things and use them stock

[old marlin]

get sennheiser then

[wheat plume]

nahh

[old marlin]

aftermarket earpads only make them worse

[old marlin]

why?

[wheat plume]

LOL

[old marlin]

like

[old marlin]

I get that sennheiser is not the best option

but they aren't on meme level

DT770 are though

[misty saffron]

about the same reason as modern akg

[old marlin]

aka

company does not care

???

[reef tundra]

Using a DC motor to play sound is the real meme

[wheat plume]

some reason its only showing one hour on my chart, despite unplugging it from the charger 3 hours ago

[reef tundra]

Hacker

[cursive summit]

Hollow always makes weird statements that are just never iterated upon

[wheat plume]

Lel

[old marlin]

I mean he iterated upon it

but the problem with modern AKG is that they got bought by samsung

but samsung mainly uses them for writing their name on the included earbuds

and does not care a single bit about what AKG did before

[wheat plume]

cough cough galaxy beans

[reef tundra]

Senheissers's marketing is just much, and price.

They do their job

they play sound

[misty saffron]

they play sound and that's it

[cursive summit]

Actually Lana

https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/deva-open-box.html

[wheat plume]

same for every headphones in the most basic sense

[cursive summit]

The Deva is on clearance sale rn