🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

it's been like that since I first installed it 😛

[wheat plume]

🤔

Video shows 23rd Feb
Upload date is 22nd Feb

[ashen spindle]

.. ever heard of timezones?

[wheat plume]

..

my brain has shut off

[cursive summit]

THERE ARE TIMEZONES?

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-history-history-channel-meme-gif-10744300

[wheat plume]

Fullscreen VMs are trippy

[crisp granite]

woah

[wheat plume]

:')

[ashen spindle]

@old marlin burst pro feels good so far, biggest pro is that the scrollwheel is not broken god that was so annoying over the weekend

[wheat plume]

why video playback work so well in a VM??! thats cool

[old marlin]

lol

[ashen spindle]

also uh, I assume that's just glossy and not plastic I need to remove on the glides on it?

[reef patrol]

GPU Passthrough.

[wheat plume]

nope

idk how to do that

so clearly not

This shit reminds me of Windows

[reef patrol]

Pretty sure your VM is doing that already. Just not in the "hardware" fashion.

Video playback is usually done on the GPU and overlaid on a chroma key colour. Hence why you often can't take screenshots in apps that aren't tailored to it.

[wheat plume]

ohhh

Why is it you dont need your user password to install software on Fedora?

At least, using the software app

[ashen spindle]

@old marlin ok seriously, I don't need to remove something from the feet right? I actually cant tell if there is an unwanted cover on it or not

[old marlin]

are they blue?

[ashen spindle]

ye

[old marlin]

then you need to remove the blue film

[ashen spindle]

ok, thought so, but didnt want to break it as I expected if they want to make it obvious to remove it they would make it clearer for less knowledgeable people haha

[zenith sonnet]

Like ... yourself

[ashen spindle]

damn these things are smooth

now to wait for a wooting mousepad to replace this old one haha

[zenith sonnet]

The wait...

[ashen spindle]

oh god smoother mouse than before and I decided to go from 400 to 800dpi

this is gonna take a while

[zenith sonnet]

I couldn't ever get accustomed to a mouse that slow

[halcyon moss]

what mouse did you get @ashen spindle ?

[ashen spindle]

Burst pro

[pale sigil]

this hurts my soul

[misty saffron]

okay mr "i bought a 3000 series card for a good price"

[ashen spindle]

mindfactory has had the 5800 for 20€ below msrp for months now

gpus not so much sadly

[pale sigil]

i did?

[misty saffron]

yeah

[reef patrol]

No no. - I - did.

Through a very convoluted way xD

[ashen spindle]

still cant believe mansen decided he actually doesnt want his 3080 and is sending it to me for free

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

you know what happens otherwise

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

i need to install ubuntu onto my external SSD

Is it not straightforward

[ashen spindle]

suggest you try pop os over ubuntu

[pale sigil]

Oh

[ashen spindle]

seems like it might be better

[pale sigil]

hmm

i could

[pale sigil]

r00d

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/cia-nsa-spy-big-brother-gif-13725107

[crimson wigeon]

Yes pop is probably better

[reef tundra]

Then use something else

https://tenor.com/view/baboon-money-boss-smile-greed-gif-8262581

[wheat plume]

I too recommend PopOS over Ubuntu :D

[pale sigil]

You aren't allowed to suggest Distros

You change them every day

[reef tundra]

Stop being so poor and give bezos your money.

[wheat plume]

I havent changed distro in months xd

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-thats-good-then-sarcastic-great-thumbs-up-annoyed-gif-15659184

[crisp granite]

sounds like a plan

[pale sigil]

i need to get the laptop

to do this linux install

but i really cba

[reef tundra]

Bezos will sell you a few

[pale sigil]

wonder if i can do it in a vm

[reef tundra]

yea

[pale sigil]

i can mount my external sdd

ssd

pretty easily

[reef tundra]

could even use hyperv

[pale sigil]

effort

[reef tundra]

effecient

[pale sigil]

depression

is the mind killer

[reef tundra]

depression doesnt care about what it is, it just is

Some just get it for no reason, with them having to rationalise it away.

PTSD and depresssion are different

and just because something is bad doesnt mean the other cannot be bad. both can be still bad

Money doesnt buy happiness

[crisp granite]

I mean, maybe in your left wing paradise

it's scary to think that people are doing better on welfare than they were working jobs

[misty pier]

money buys me things that makes me happy

[crisp granite]

materialistic

you have no place in our communist paradise

[misty pier]

can i not buy plushies

[crisp granite]

[pale sigil]

meh

getting the laptop

[reef tundra]

it solves to to remove worries and after that it quickly flatlines. As being isolated, with nothing to do might not be want people want to do

[pale sigil]

you win

[reef tundra]

no power

[misty pier]

mmm mmm, soot

[reef tundra]

yes, the good old days when companies could just dump into wherever and the cities were gasfields

Also would not help with the greenhousegasses, as you are adding more carbon to it

if you sit nicely the oil companies might tell you how good it is and you should not worry about facts, they are telling you its fine dont worry

Exxon knew about climate chance since the 60s

[pale sigil]

Ah yes

Linux without drivers

[misty pier]

gotta trash the world

👌

[reef tundra]

Yes, in the hope you would ignore the temperatures rising

[crisp granite]

https://youtu.be/2cBarRwH8iM

[reef tundra]

You do know it being a toxic gas having cognitive damage at 1000ppm exposure at 2.5 hours

[crisp granite]

old men in charge

[reef tundra]

Because money. and fuck global economy if it meant fucked up shit tbh.

[crisp granite]

glad I can spell for half a damn

[pale sigil]

Poo

[reef tundra]

Wasn't gas and oil production not profitable the last decade and having to live from government money.

[pale sigil]

Pop os install stops responding

Going well so far xD

[crisp granite]

dude, that's divine intervention

in geopolitics?

not the first time

[reef tundra]

Because Europe wants to be indipendent of the gas line first before giving putin the desire to close the pipes

Plus the fact Russia sending bombers to Europe pretty much every week to intimidate

Also fun fact the Dutch government has recognised the ugyr genocide

Chine no likey

[reef tundra]

Because that would be a claim of land and could be a act of war

[crisp granite]

well

they are tiny

[reef tundra]

So what does it matter than

[pale sigil]

neat

this has nvidia pre installed

[crisp granite]

cool

[ashen spindle]

gl that it works better than regular ubuntu

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/bs2mLHcnP8U Honestly

Shitty ass review

None of those are actually good

[crisp granite]

trying popOS, cal?

[pale sigil]

ye cos why not

[ashen spindle]

LTT
expecting good review

[pale sigil]

as long as its debian based idc

also LTT is abd for audio

[ashen spindle]

they are an entertainment channel

[pale sigil]

very bad

[cursive summit]

Not even Takstars, or Sennheiser headphones

Eh, so be it

[crisp granite]

funny thing, one of those headsets is on my head rn

[pale sigil]

shame i cant play D2 on Linux without getting banned

[crisp granite]

because linux = hacking for in game benefit

[fair gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxGqGCtPxn4

damn

[crisp granite]

[fair gull]

i learned some shit today

[ashen spindle]

ok yeah that was an exception to their regular quality

[reef tundra]

You could run it in a virual machine under hyperv which would allow you to not trip off anti-cheat

[fair gull]

linus is on vacation = ltt quality goes brrrr

[pale sigil]

its because LTT is more about the staff now

he stopped being the channel ages ago

fuck xD

This is awk

My steam auth is on my Windows

So i cant login to steam

on Linux

[crisp granite]

ha

[pale sigil]

xD xD xD

[cursive summit]

Man I wish HD 6XX's were available in EU

I need those

[crisp granite]

aren't they?

[cursive summit]

No

[crimson wigeon]

What do you mean by that or do you use the desktop authenticator

[pale sigil]

WinAuth

[reef tundra]

The problem is win

[pale sigil]

should be able to use wine

[crimson wigeon]

Maybe, .net stuff tends to be iffy

[pale sigil]

ah

i love doing everything via the terminal

[crimson wigeon]

But if it only uses basic WinForms then Mono should be able to handle it ecks dee

[pale sigil]

no going to webstes

downloading files

[reef tundra]

So you are telling that others might have done reviews since the inception of youtube?

[pale sigil]

etc

just one simple command

[fair gull]

shutdown now

ya

one simple command

[ashen spindle]

yeah just gotta memorize 7 billion commands so you can do the same as a working GUI can do, perfect

[fair gull]

or did u mean rm -rf --no-preserve-root

so

[reef tundra]

use man <command> or -h --help

[crimson wigeon]

echo o > /proc/sysrq-trigger

[fair gull]

so

u read for 10years

to find out how to download smth

sounds like a good choice

[reef tundra]

or you would click though various noncensical menu items to find what you want

[ashen spindle]

you can click through menus without having to guess what a working command is

[fair gull]

idk man never had to click through smth to find what i want

na

not a gimp user

i have ms paint

and paint.net

why use some shitty tool like gimp

[reef tundra]

Who?

[crisp granite]

worse

my friends are all running 1050s and 1060s and they're starting to die

[reef tundra]

In September 2012, AUO was sentenced to pay a US$500 million criminal fine for its participation in a five-year conspiracy to fix the prices of thin-film transistor LCD panels sold worldwide. Its American subsidiary and two former top executives were also sentenced.[3] The two executives were sentenced to prison and fined for their roles in the conspiracy. The $500 million fine matches the largest fine imposed against a company for violating U.S. antitrust laws. In July 2014, the Ninth Circuit rejected AUO's appeal of the fine.

great company with amazing background

[crisp granite]

they have

temps are in control on all of them

but artifacts and fun stuff like that occurs

[reef tundra]

They have it in an oven or something

[crisp granite]

that is a temporary fix

works for a few days at most

[reef tundra]

sounds like shitty used or shitty thermal paste

[crisp granite]

stock paste

and then replaced with arctic MX-4

[reef tundra]

Do they overclock that poor basterd?

[crisp granite]

I think one of them did

but it was a tiny overclock

not enough to really note

barely above factory boost iirc

[reef tundra]

as long as temps stay below factory max. probably 90

[crisp granite]

never above 75 when stress testing

that's why I just assume the silicon is past prime and is pretty much e-waste at this point

[reef tundra]

might be worth testing with an underclock to see if the clock might be unstable

[pale sigil]

hell yes

i can get my auth working with bitwarden

[crisp granite]

the clock is perfectly stable though

[pale sigil]

ugh

i cant boot up my linux distro via vm

right?

[crisp granite]

yep

[pale sigil]

cos its using nvidia drivers

it would cause all sorts of chaos

[crisp granite]

a few

worse in game

I also ran metro exodus on it, and it was nasty

[reef tundra]

video RAM complete and sufficient? As gpu's will artifact when going out of bounds.

[crisp granite]

I don't even remember

yeah

that

also just dead spots at some points

random black pixels

well then

time to put her down

[reef tundra]

Silicone will keep chuckin as it can

The electrolytic capacitors do give it a live span of 10 years

[fair gull]

na u can make caps last longer

just dry them out when theyre fresh

just like ud do with fruits

https://tenor.com/view/logic-engineer-helicopter-chopper-upsidedown-gif-5027455

[reef tundra]

Would you not want it humid to make it harder to evaporate?

[fair gull]

na just think mummies

make em as dry as possible

ez

[reef tundra]

because the electrolytic fluid is what it chooches on

[fair gull]

u mean thats what destroys em

everyone knows that

[reef tundra]

poof

or it just begins to conduct.. much better

they cost 20 cents at the high end capacitance and voltage i think

[fair gull]

now imagine they didnt put the death juice in

19cents a pop

[reef tundra]

they can pop

and they can also spark :)

They are the worst kind of capacitor in terms of electronic performance but they are easier to make into big ones.

[pale sigil]

cant remember who it was but someone wanted a dongle from the UK, in stock and on offer rn https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07K2NH6ZN?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

[rapid moss]

Most often fixable by replacing them with the ones that should've been used.

[pale sigil]

bit confused

realvnc server i thought was free?

[reef tundra]

ssh can pass the x-server

[pale sigil]

just a tad bit confused

as ive always used vnc server on windows

for free

"Our free version of VNC Connect is available for personal, non-commercial use for up to 5 devices, and is suitable for Cloud connections only."

[rapid moss]

Probably have a different target audience, but I really like Chrome Remote Desktop

[pale sigil]

im so used to using vnc

[rapid moss]

Most users succeed in installation of the app unassisted. And they can simply read out the connection code over voice

[reef tundra]

ssh with x-org is pretty much ssh with ui to display somewhere nested

[rapid moss]

And it's even usable to control a pc from a mobile phone

[reef tundra]

but it should be kept in mind the tty is different when on the device and remote.

saves a lot of disapointment

[pale sigil]

ye but

i use real vnc app

on all my devices

[rapid moss]

Linux and BSD machines, I just use SSH cmdline.

[pale sigil]

Apparently

PopOS doesn't like running off an external hdd

*SSD

cos like

legit cant even open settings

[reef tundra]

strange?

[pale sigil]

no shit

xD

cant even open the terminal

[reef tundra]

Hmmm, sounds like it lost communucation and dying and now unable to can

The kernel and open programs run in memory and can keep running but new programs cannot anymore

[crimson wigeon]

Perhaps you jiggled the cable and it disconnected for a femtosecond

[pale sigil]

not touched it

everything but OS stuff works

[reef tundra]

It sounds exacly when i was fucking about with a dodgy hdd 8 years ago or something

[pale sigil]

cant open files... settings

can open other stuff tho

had to relog

lol thats something im not used to seeing

2.5gb ram being used

[pale sigil]

oh noes

im breaking all my games

playing them via proton

xD

[reef tundra]

dont do that

[pale sigil]

oh noesd

also @wheat plume i already miss WIndows 10

[crisp granite]

that fast?

[crimson wigeon]

Shadow is a native Linux game tho

[pale sigil]

is it?

[crimson wigeon]

It definitely is how I played it

[astral haven]

you can run it either in proton or in native mode

and last i checked proton was faster

[pale sigil]

Shame it isn't picking up my save

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tableflip-angry-gif-4849879

Holy shit it runs so good lmao

Does rtx not work on Linux?

[astral haven]

sotr doesnt support vulkan rtx

[pale sigil]

Boo

Need to justify my 3080

XD

[astral haven]

i mean its still the second fastest gpu lel

[crisp granite]

play metro exodus' linux release when it comes out

in "spring 2021"

[crisp granite]

gotta happen within a few months

[astral haven]

quake 2 rtx should work

[pale sigil]

sadly i cant play jedi fallen order

without faffing around

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah, there also is ongoing work on making vkd3d translate DX12 DXR to VulkanRT, apparently it handles Control relatively well

[pale sigil]

and i deffo cannot run Destiny 2

Otherwise ill get banned

xD

[wise depot]

Can noone answer my question in #archived_questions_answers ?

[crisp granite]

you can wait patiently

[pale sigil]

like

i legit dont have any games anymore

except for ones in say bnet

[crisp granite]

as the people who do answer questions do so out of the goodness of their hearts

[pale sigil]

or xbox

[wise depot]

Bruh y u acting like ur doing gods work

Its not that deep

Mans acting like he a messiah

[crimson wigeon]

True

[pale sigil]

only just realised discord doesnt nativly have a seperate sound for a dm

[reef patrol]

Honestly? Not a lot of people here have dived into lubing - especially not enough to answer in depth questions.

If you want that kind of help I can only recommend you hop on over to one of the Custom Mech entusiast Discord.

[crisp granite]

I could answer, but I generally don't like being harassed

just me though

[wise depot]

This guy istg

Mans a clown

@reef patrol ight thanks ill try asking there

[ashen spindle]

holy shit if you change radeon boost/chill/sharpening ingame it plays some annoying system sounds that you cant disable

who thinks this is a good idea

someone should get fired for this shit

wtf

[proud nacelle]

install the drivers only then

open the installer with 7z and extract the drivers folder in packages

[ashen spindle]

yeah I don't really like the idea of having to manually change the setting either

I want the features, I dont want sounds coming as system sounds I can't mute

[zenith sonnet]

Mage lives for inconvenience

[proud nacelle]

quintosh

can you mute it in the volume mixer?

if not

look for a .wav .mp3 or something in the files

and delete them

[ashen spindle]

Yes I can mute it if I mute all system sounds

It doesn’t even play them through the Radeon software on the mixer

That’s what makes it so annoying, muting the software doesn’t do anything

[proud nacelle]

Go look for media files

Chances are if you delete them the issue will be resolved

[ashen spindle]

It might be actual system sounds and I don’t want to mute them invade something else legitimately uses them

But yeah gonna look if I find what it is tomorrow

[proud nacelle]

wait

another possibility then

you know the themes thing in the control panel?

there's a sound thing there

if it's listed there you could replace it or remove it

[ashen spindle]

Hmm ill try it gimme a sec

[astral haven]

maybe that will disable it?

[proud nacelle]

Right but he doesn't want to disable all sounds afaik

[astral haven]

this can be overridden 🤷‍♂️

[proud nacelle]

He's been quiet

https://tenor.com/view/obama-hes-dead-door-kick-im-out-gif-3465918

[ashen spindle]

I cant find the theme

[proud nacelle]

wot

[ashen spindle]

I really dislike the amd control panel over the nvidia one, just looks newer but is just messy as hell

[astral haven]

right click the sound button in the taskbar, click sounds

[proud nacelle]

^^

[ashen spindle]

ohh thought you meant something else

alright now to figure out which sounds it plays

ok even no sounds doesnt fix it

[pale sigil]

ahh

[ashen spindle]

idk what it plays

[pale sigil]

im back on Windows 10

home sweet home

[proud nacelle]

"hell sweet hell"

[ashen spindle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ecgmt0/please_put_in_a_option_to_disable_the_radeon/

HOW IS THIS SUCH ON OLD ISSUE

I THOUGHT ITS A BUG OR SOMETHING

[pale sigil]

amd for ya

[ashen spindle]

but no the bug is only that sometimes its on game start too instead of when you turn it of/on

I mean I gladly take this instead of actual driver bugs

but good lord this is annoying

[astral haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpw2ebhTSKs

oh my god thats fantastic

[pale sigil]

not sure why its in tech talk tho xD

[astral haven]

shh

[pale sigil]

pretty good tho

[proud nacelle]

@ashen spindle welcome to bugs 101

[astral haven]

i also want a new vr headset now

[ashen spindle]

this isn't a bug this is shit design on purpose

[proud nacelle]

oh.

well

just don't use amd then

[pale sigil]

at this point i feel like gabe is not counting to 3 for the lols

and not giving a shit about the protential money

xD

[astral haven]

its not gabe

its the devs

they dont want to release the 3 and have it fail to meet expectations

1 is no pressure

[pale sigil]

im very aware of that statement

[astral haven]

2 is some pressure, but if 2 does well, 3 is an immense amount of pressure

[pale sigil]

but gabe still owns everything

xD

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ gabe owns, but he doesnt force people to do anything

[pale sigil]

i wish i could play HL1

but its just

ugh

i cant

aged awful

[proud nacelle]

play black mesa instead

[astral haven]

^

[pale sigil]

black mesa

[proud nacelle]

god tier of a game

[pale sigil]

is also bleh

[astral haven]

i really enjoyed the part that i played

[proud nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/sebastian-maniscalco-maniscalco-wth-sebastian-what-the-hell-gif-15545272

[pale sigil]

i mean its impressive

dont get me wrong

but its still dated af

[proud nacelle]

did you even finish the game

[astral haven]

well it feeling dated makes that super hard lel

[pale sigil]

i tried

so hard

[proud nacelle]

the soundtrack on that game is godtier

also yes

hard

were you on easy though

[zenith sonnet]

I think Callum likes to hate on games for the sake of it

[pale sigil]

No

never

not me

[proud nacelle]

yes

[pale sigil]

totally not downloading black mesa

[proud nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/flipping-off-flip-off-middle-finger-smile-happy-gif-4746862

transcedent and limitless potential : great

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccv8No-suMs

[pale sigil]

wait

wot

holy

oh

reshade

xD

looks good tho

fuckin patron

[proud nacelle]

cough cough

https://tenor.com/view/aye-captain-jack-sparrow-pirates-of-the-carribean-pirate-gif-4531025

[pale sigil]

ye, well, that site is no more

[proud nacelle]

which site are you thinking of

last time i checked i can still get the shaders easily

[pale sigil]

the .party one

send me it if you can

please/

via dm?

[proud nacelle]

can't rn

not on pc

also that one never hosted it afaik

[zenith sonnet]

I'd be interested too since the party is over

[proud nacelle]

also you're a heretic for going on there

kemono

that's one of them

[pale sigil]

already checked

[proud nacelle]

hmmmmm

f95 but that's more nsfw side of things

most likely not there

https://old.reddit.com/r/modpiracy2/comments/kkkmk1/request_skyrim_marty_mcflys_rt_shader/ bam

dunno if it's right or not

but go search on reddit if it ain't

generally will point you in the right direction

[zenith sonnet]

Good to know that sub exists

[proud nacelle]

it's really not hard to find something

just invest effort

[pale sigil]

skyrim tho

found an old reddit post

but it was deleted

lets see if red delete got it

[proud nacelle]

redditsearch.io also saves documents afaik

might not be the right domain name

but s omething along those lines

[pale sigil]

ah nvm

the comment was pm me

[proud nacelle]

[zenith sonnet]

Since the CP patch is out

Do we have benchmarks yet?

[pale sigil]

i could try

[proud nacelle]

last time i checked 40% worse performance

jk

[zenith sonnet]

You don't have an RX 6000 GPU though

[pale sigil]

i dont buy potatoes

sorry

[proud nacelle]

better than buying a pos card

[zenith sonnet]

[proud nacelle]

which has issues with linux, has spyware, and blocks vms

[zenith sonnet]

Not to mention black screen issues

[proud nacelle]

yes

a fuckton of em

[zenith sonnet]

How the tables have turned

Heck Navi 2X even has a better hw encoder than NVENC

[proud nacelle]

navi is prosumer

nvidia is pothead

change my mind

[astral haven]

xeanoa the hardware is better sure but the results are worse

[proud nacelle]

these results

are they on windows?

or linux?

[zenith sonnet]

It gets better results

[astral haven]

either or

straight defaults in obs

[proud nacelle]

i guarantee my ass it'd perform better than nvidia's driver

[vagrant pagoda]

dont have any issue with nvenc

[astral haven]

nvidia gives you a passable image and amf doesnt

[zenith sonnet]

Only thing NVENC is good for is low bitrate h264

[astral haven]

you need to tune amf hard for it to be useable

[vagrant pagoda]

and nvenc is like 100 times better than vce for software support

[astral haven]

well yea talking about streaming

[vagrant pagoda]

you shouldnt be using hardware encode for streaming anywah

[zenith sonnet]

But in h265 amf trashes nvenc, particularly if you give it more bitrate

[astral haven]

uh

well yes?

higher bitrate is better

and the point of hardware encode is for streaming

if you can do it offline you do it on cpu

[vagrant pagoda]

cpu encode will ways give you better results, and finer grain tunning for bandwidth

[astral haven]

not nescessarily

say you are running an 8 core cpu which is the current go to

throw away 4 cores of the cpu for streaming and your game will slow down

[proud nacelle]

all of this is pointless anyway

unless you're a streamer who's starting off, you shouldn't be using your cpu or gpu for this

[astral haven]

wut

[zenith sonnet]

I'm on my phone rn, so I can't post them
But there are charts out there at various bitrates/codes/cards

[astral haven]

yea

and i have seen literally every test go both ways depending on the tester

tuned anything is superior to stock anything

but stock nvenc is superior to stock vce/amf

[pale sigil]

k den

[astral haven]

and the built in streaming tools on nvidia are leagues better than the amd one

[proud nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/you-broke-it-space-force-broken-upset-your-fault-gif-17476371

[zenith sonnet]

Depends on what you do with it, either has usecases where it superior

[vagrant pagoda]

264 with more than 4 thread starts to lag key frames anyway

[proud nacelle]

black mesa : lgbltq edition

[astral haven]

no xeanoa i dont mean usecases

in every usecase

[zenith sonnet]

AMF can give better quality at the high end, NVENC at the low end

[astral haven]

tuned anything is superior to everything else

and i havent seen a scenario where that was false except for cpu placebo but thats so slow

[zenith sonnet]

I'd use my CPU anyway

i got so many cores doing nothing

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ not an option if you are playing a relatively hard game on the cpu

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

[proud nacelle]

aka none

[astral haven]

and no matter what you do, if you are encoding on the cpu it will incur an fps drop period

[vagrant pagoda]

if you have a shit cpu

you can easily encode 264 with 4 threads

[proud nacelle]

remind me a game which actively pinned all cpus at 100%, outside of bug related cases

[astral haven]

most games pin the memory bus at 100%

and that is the problem

[vagrant pagoda]

lots of games will scale past 4 cores

[proud nacelle]

but that ain't the cpu though

[astral haven]

yes it is the cpu

[vagrant pagoda]

some even scale up to 5950x

[astral haven]

the memory bus is in the cpu

[proud nacelle]

it is, but the cpu isn't the issue here

[astral haven]

yes it is

[pale sigil]

holy shit i forgot how long the intro is to this game

[proud nacelle]

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

[astral haven]

i mean if you have a 3175x or tr pro the problem goes away

[vagrant pagoda]

memory is important

[proud nacelle]

my understanding is different then

[vagrant pagoda]

but

[astral haven]

well over a hundred and a half gigs a second is plenty for a game and an encoder to share

[vagrant pagoda]

most of the time

[astral haven]

but most cpus are limited to around 60 gigs a second cause dual channel ddr4

[vagrant pagoda]

enabling xmp will solve most memory bottle necks

[astral haven]

and xmp usually stops around 30

yea not even close

[zenith sonnet]

Fuck XMP, it sucks on Ryzen CPUs

Tune it yourself

[astral haven]

thats a problem with the motherboard dont blame the cpu

[zenith sonnet]

Get twice the performance

[astral haven]

but also

stability is haaaaard

only way to guarantee stability is ecc

[vagrant pagoda]

i got lucky

[astral haven]

and theres literally one processor where ecc and oc function at the same time

and no ryzen doesnt work properly when ocing memory with ecc enabled

[vagrant pagoda]

my 5900x dose 4000 at 1:1

zoom zoom

[astral haven]

probably not stable 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant pagoda]

ecc dose nothing to "guarantee" stability

[proud nacelle]

^^ ecc is only to prevent bit flips from cosmic rays

[zenith sonnet]

I know

[astral haven]

ecc does guarantee stability

[vagrant pagoda]

no

[astral haven]

yep it literally does

[zenith sonnet]

ECC guarantees you notice errors, it does not guarantee stability

[astral haven]

it wont allow you to boot if its throwing too many errors

[proud nacelle]

it provides data integrity, but not reliability

[vagrant pagoda]

no it dose not guarantee anything

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ none of you have overclocked with ecc

ive worked with a bunch of people who have

and it does guarantee stability

because you cant boot if its throwing errors

[vagrant pagoda]

ecc used in dram is only single bit correcting and double bit detecting

it can't do shit for triple or high bit corruptions

which is more and more common as dram srinks

[proud nacelle]

last time i checked it can't even do shit for more than a single bit

[astral haven]

again ionstorm

it will prevent you from booting if theres anything wrong

where a normal processor will happily boot unstable settings

[vagrant pagoda]

wrong again

[astral haven]

i have no idea why intel implemented it, but it works amazingly

[vagrant pagoda]

you can boot unstable ecc settings

[astral haven]

try it

its not possible

[proud nacelle]

also isn't this a motherboard thing?

[astral haven]

nope

imc is on the cpu

[proud nacelle]

last time my old mobo could boot even if memory errors were occuring

that is if it was overridden

[vagrant pagoda]

unregistered ecc memory can easily have bus errors from high clocks

hence why registered dram exists

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ there is 1 single cpu that can overclock ecc ddr4

and none of you have used it

[vagrant pagoda]

and is standard in servers and workstations

[astral haven]

and no unregistered wont boot at too high speeds

[vagrant pagoda]

yes it will

try it

[astral haven]

ive tried it

[vagrant pagoda]

also

[astral haven]

throw it in and itll run at a lower speed

[pale sigil]

https://mrpl.me/pa3944b_rfm9.jpg

[vagrant pagoda]

all threadrippers can overclock unregisted ecc ddr4

[astral haven]

threadripper doesnt support ecc properly

[proud nacelle]

@pale sigil you get it working?

[pale sigil]

i think?

xD

[proud nacelle]

think you might have to play with it a bit more

[vagrant pagoda]

also

[proud nacelle]

but it looks very nice

[astral haven]

guy who upgraded from 3175x to tr had to go back because it wasnt correcting errors

[vagrant pagoda]

some am4 boards run ecc as well

[astral haven]

but they dont support it

[astral haven]

epyc cant oc

and neither can tr pro

before you say that

[vagrant pagoda]

also

[vagrant pagoda]

ecc support on am4 and tr is 100% motherboard and bios support

[astral haven]

easy way to see if your cpu is properly implementing errors is at the bottom of hwinfo
under whea itll list corrected errors

[vagrant pagoda]

lots of am4/tr board will run ecc ram

but dont enable ecc checking

the IMC has the support

[proud nacelle]

absolutely beautiful tiny

[astral haven]

the imc doesnt report support 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant pagoda]

supports as in it works if the board/bios supports it

[astral haven]

ive been through this with a ton of people trying to run servers on zen

[proud nacelle]

the only actual way to know if ecc works is to have a bit flip injector

[astral haven]

the easiest way to check is to point a heat gun at ecc bdie

[proud nacelle]

no other sane way possible

locke, there was the free black mesa and the paid one

this is the paid one he's showing

[astral haven]

but thing is
am4 doesnt provide ecc correction counts

[vagrant pagoda]

both my x399 and trx40 designer work with ecc

[pale sigil]

i broke the game

help

[vagrant pagoda]

both ran the same ram kit

[astral haven]

ion then show a screenshot

[vagrant pagoda]

both had ram overclocks

[pale sigil]

https://mrpl.me/733945b_rfR6.jpg

[astral haven]

right here itll say 0 corrected errros

[proud nacelle]

there should be a ladder nearby

[vagrant pagoda]

windows shit support of numa is why i moved my main rig back to x570

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ takes 5 minutes to boot and check

[proud nacelle]

if there isn't, type status in console and type map (the level listed in status)

[astral haven]

i have a friend who would save a fantastic amount of money by being able to go tr, and ive been trying to help him find something but i havent been able to

[vagrant pagoda]

there is also a crazy fuck who made b-die ecc udimms

[astral haven]

wut

samsung natively sells them...

most oem bdie is ecc

[vagrant pagoda]

not binned

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ bin it yourself theres a wackton of it

i think he bought 20 of them and used the 12 fastest?

[vagrant pagoda]

bought binned udimms and replaced the chips on a ecc udimm

[astral haven]

ah

well thats dumb

bdie is ultra heat sensitive

[pale sigil]

i broke him

https://mrpl.me/Jb3946b_rfn2.jpg

[proud nacelle]

tiny stop being a bug tester

play the damn game

[astral haven]

i mean thats how i play games too

i poked russel so many times lmao

[pale sigil]

and it begins

[proud nacelle]

have fun now

https://tenor.com/view/ahaha-wave-bye-fearless-im-out-gif-14503554

[pale sigil]

150=180

[astral haven]

no 180 is 30 more than 150

[proud nacelle]

too slow? what are you, a 240hz something?

[astral haven]

higher fps is always better iso everything else 🤷‍♂️

and 144hz monitor is the standard
for best experience you want 2x or higher fps vs refresh rate

[proud nacelle]

imo never caused me an issue but if that's really an issue drop the resolution to half of native

or 1/4th

[astral haven]

eh

[proud nacelle]

or get more gpus

whatever

[astral haven]

yea why decrease res when you can just get better hardware 🤷‍♂️

[proud nacelle]

because money doesn't grow on trees for everyone

not to mention better hardware has a limit too

[astral haven]

limit is pretty high

[proud nacelle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you do you

but imo it's pointless

current state of everything rn it's better off playing older games

[astral haven]

i mean thats objectively incorrect
there objectively is a point, you might not like it tho 😛

[proud nacelle]

that's why i said imo

[astral haven]

pointless isnt an opinion tho

[proud nacelle]

i can't say that something is pointless as an opinion?

okay

sure

anyhow i'm gonna go do something

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-later-bye-gif-14086405

[astral haven]

wut

gah why it freez

[pale sigil]

hehehe

https://mrpl.me/Ja3950b_rfo2.jpg

halp

having way to much fun here

@proud nacelle

[astral haven]

i mean thats the point of a game?

[pale sigil]

[pale sigil]

@proud nacelle i broke it again

https://mrpl.me/ee3952b_rfG4.png

[timid chasm]

Subjective

[pale sigil]

thats a new one

[zenith sonnet]

Back home, now I can post charts

[latent mural]

anyone know some good keycaps for the wooting one

[pale sigil]

pudding is popular

[old marlin]

DCS

If only it wasn't super thin

Would ve great since there are a ton of in stock sets

[astral haven]

volta vs rdna2 and the volta is still usually winning
yikes

volta is from 2017

and like volta wasnt really an improvement from pascal which was from 2016

[astral haven]

higher vamf is better

100 = source footage

[pale sigil]

That just isn't true

[hard thicket]

not true at all

even tried 8K capturing

works like a charm

[pale sigil]

This was a joke BTW, I wanted a 6800 XT lol but didn't get lucky enough @zenith sonnet

[hard thicket]

you should be happy that you get anything at this point

[pale sigil]

True

[cursive summit]

GT710 is always a nice low budget purchase

[hard thicket]

managed to sell off my 2070 super for 700€

bought it for 650 back then...

[pale sigil]

Christ

[hard thicket]

it's messed up, felt a little dirty

[pale sigil]

If someone is willing to buy at that price that's their fault

If I can get a 3070 im deffo selling jh GPU gif £1000+

Had so many offers

[hard thicket]

yeah could also sell my 3090's for 2500 each lmao

[pale sigil]

My GPU for

Oops

[hard thicket]

"too much stress on the vehicle"

dies without doing anything

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-navi-23-has-32mb-of-infinity-cache-while-vangogh-apu-lacks-it

[astral haven]

navi23 aint gonna be that expensive

also their gpus are very reasonably priced

?

the msrps of 6000 series are very reasonable imo

[cursive summit]

How about

You relax

[astral haven]

295x2 and 6900xt are both normally priced 🤷‍♂️

[cursive summit]

Malding

295X2 is actually lit

I wouldn't mind having one

Just cause it's unique

Yes let's bring him back from the cold grave

To fight for our consumer rights

Oh wait, the whole point we are having the outage is 1) Covid 2) Too much demand

So, capitalism at its finest

So does AMD's?

In some cases, better than Nvidia's

Not sure what your problem is, crybaby

https://tenor.com/view/pete-buttigieg-buttigieg-i-know-the-bait-mayor-pete-buttigieg-not-fisherman-gif-15545616

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hardy-mad-max-point-thats-bait-gif-9452999

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-anime-dance-dancing-gif-12817361

[astral haven]

thing you gotta remember is you are getting alot more relative gpu than you got before

as in before gpus could only barely hit 30 fps at 4k in the titles released before the card

[cursive summit]

Not to mention the power of the GPUs is going up n up

Man I can't wait for the shortage to end and 6800XT becomes available

Idgaf about the RT performance

So, not sure what you are malding about

FPS

VRAM

Longevity

Don't feel like running out of my poor 8GBs with the 3070

Rather get double that

Ah yes, what a classy answer

You a smart fellow, you know

Totally, a good point

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-well-yes-no-yes-yes-no-gif-13736934

[zinc wind]

What is a good mic for around 80 Euros

[astral haven]

samson go

[cursive summit]

I have the Marantz MPM-2000, it's sick

I think the AudioTechnica AT-2020 is also that price point

[ashen spindle]

rocket lake reviews out

no real change as it seems, as expected

[crimson wigeon]

But it's better for gaming innit

[ashen spindle]

not really

[misty pier]

saw some guy spit $600 on a new rocket lake cpu because it's new 💀

[crisp granite]

one of my buddies is about to buy an 11700K

[ashen spindle]

[crisp granite]

and I told him not to

for the record

he currently rocks a 10600K at 5.2 ghz

[ashen spindle]

does he play r6s?

[crisp granite]

nope

mainly roblox

[ashen spindle]

too bad, he would see fps regression in that one

[reef tundra]

The big improvement is heat generation and ability to function as a heater

[ashen spindle]

might still do

[misty pier]

the fuuuuck?

why do you need a overclocked 10600k for roblox

get a pentium you dimwit

[reef tundra]

By using random gaming youtubers opinion of bigger number good or new thing better

[crisp granite]

I mean

he does also play RDR2 and GTA V

[reef tundra]

If you need to host a load of servers you might need one

[misty pier]

he's cool then

[ashen spindle]

rocket lake die is so much bigger for 2 cores less lmao

10900k/11900k

[reef tundra]

The limit was being to cool the thing wasnt it :)

[vagrant pagoda]

its because its a lazy backport

plus avx512

[ashen spindle]

ehhh I dont think it's valid to call it lazy

the XE graphics takes a lot more too, the avx part not that much, its not even full avx512 support

[misty saffron]

question

why does intel still include graphics in most of their cpus

[vagrant pagoda]

oem

[crisp granite]

true

[crimson wigeon]

What else would that space be used for?

[vagrant pagoda]

tbo

[crisp granite]

most OEM systems don't need the graphical horsepower of a dGPU

[misty saffron]

my bad, need to brag about having a bigger die somehow

[reef patrol]

Because it sucks needing to have a dedicated graphics card to use your PC 😄

[vagrant pagoda]

i wish amd would atleast include basic windows destop graphics in thier desktop cpus

[crisp granite]

they do

[vagrant pagoda]

no

[crisp granite]

just not in their high end skus

[misty saffron]

still i don't see why it should be included in high end cpus

[crisp granite]

they have R3s and R5s with iGPUs

[vagrant pagoda]

only apus have graphics

[misty saffron]

like you wasted 1000 bucks on a cpu, surely you can get some garbage gpu for 50 bucks if you REALLY need it

[vagrant pagoda]

for troubleshooting

[ashen spindle]

because unless it's a seperate gpu chiplet, it's not worth it to make a seperate sku just without that

[reef patrol]

Because... I am repeating myself here. I'd like that iGPU to boot at all times.

VERY helpful for troubleshooting.

[vagrant pagoda]

its nice to just pull the gpu and plug video right into mobo

[reef patrol]

And some apps actually use the iGPU to boost rendering a bit.

[crisp granite]

doesn't NVidia make cheapass quadros exclusively for this?

[misty saffron]

is the increased price worth it for troubleshooting though?

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

[reef patrol]

Yes

[vagrant pagoda]

intel has a igpu

and is cost competetive

so thats moot

[ashen spindle]

the actual increased cost isn't as much as you might think

[crisp granite]

true

[vagrant pagoda]

also for lower end pcs

[misty saffron]

i'd actually like to see the cost difference

[vagrant pagoda]

intels video encode is great for a first time streamer

[reef tundra]

It also saves the calls from it specialists calling why the graphics no worky

only have to explain how an vga cable works

[crisp granite]

in my experience, getting a KF cpu can be either slightly cheaper or slightly more expensive than a K cpu from intel

[misty saffron]

slightly more expensive?

[crisp granite]

yeah

[misty saffron]

now that i don't understand

[crisp granite]

they aren't as widely available iirc

and even then, it's usually less than $30 in either direction

[ashen spindle]

you'd get increased R&D for making a new SKU that has a die without it, if it has a defect you now can't use it in a lower end where you need the gpu part so it's becoming an even worse sku to sell

[crisp granite]

pretty much negligible

[misty saffron]

oh yeah defects

forgot about that one

[vagrant pagoda]

cache is where most yied failures are at

but amd would have a seperate die for the igpu anyway

so thats moot too

[ashen spindle]

actually don't remember, is alder lake supposed to be monolithic still or are they splitting that up?

[vagrant pagoda]

its just big little i think

still monolithic

[ashen spindle]

so meteor is the first chiplet based one

which is funny

as amd might be going back to monolithic for deskop zen4/5 lol

[reef tundra]

unless you just completely remove it and waste the silicon you need to have engineers designing the new chip. Even moving things around will need to be tested and validated for timing

[vagrant pagoda]

eh people thought zen3 would be monolithic too

[ashen spindle]

uh, not people I trust with getting good sources xD

[vagrant pagoda]

amd already makes apus

they just need to make a smaller igpu for non apus

[ashen spindle]

wafer supply agreement with GF alone made me think zen3 being monolithic is unlikely

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

but

why would amd drop what works so well

the same ccx across the entire lineup streamlines things

[reef patrol]

You can disable the iGPU in the chip without removing it.

It's how the F line of Intel CPUs came to be in the first place.

[ashen spindle]

sure but then you are not saving any cost when making the chip

[reef tundra]

You cant just add, remove or move shit in silicon. It might work but the signal can be having too much or little delay to meet design constrictions

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

[ashen spindle]

that just allows you to salvage defects there

[vagrant pagoda]

with amd

[reef patrol]

Sure.

[vagrant pagoda]

they just put slugs instead of dies

[reef patrol]

No reason why AMD can't do the same tbh.

[ashen spindle]

ok now im confused, what are we on about

[reef patrol]

But I digress. Nothing we can argue about here will change their ideology.

[vagrant pagoda]

but yeah we already know amd is keeping 8 core ccx for zen 4

[reef tundra]

It is also cheaper to have one production line than two

[reef patrol]

Mansen wanted high end CPUs to have VEGA. Not sure if the discussion changed.

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

[ashen spindle]

pretty sure we are getting that with zen4

[reef patrol]

[vagrant pagoda]

eh

doubt we will ever see a 2 ccx apu

[ashen spindle]

or at least we have consistent roadmap leaks that suggest there will be iGPU SKUs for zen4 on desktop

[vagrant pagoda]

oh yeah

there will be zen 3 apus too

[misty saffron]

what's known about zen 4 anyways?

[reef tundra]

if they gonna change something lets go to RISC isr aswell

[misty saffron]

still 16 cores max in desktop?

[vagrant pagoda]

zen 4 is 5nm, still 8 core ccx

[ashen spindle]

zen 4 will have ddr5, socket AM5, maybe pcie5, 5nm, 8core CCX

[vagrant pagoda]

but die is smaller

zen4 is pcie 5 and ddr 5

[misty saffron]

the question is how many core complexes

[vagrant pagoda]

on eypc they are going to 12 ccd from 8

[misty saffron]

maybe they'll fit 4

[vagrant pagoda]

to get 6 channel ram

so desktop might get 3