🔌│tech

[fair gull]

and the connectors and shit

and hardwire everything

[reef patrol]

It's Nintendo. They sell literal plastic figurines with SD cards in them 😛

[crisp granite]

an excuse for someone to buy a switch pro controller

more money to nintendo

[reef patrol]

They could have sold Switch Lite TV kits with a pair of joycons included.

[crisp granite]

but that would cost more than a standard switch to make

[fair gull]

which would prob cost as much as a normal switch or more in the end

[reef patrol]

It's about upselling and doing post-purchase sales.

[fair gull]

ya cause the software dont do it

[misty saffron]

cant you make a homebrew thing to enable that

[fair gull]

switch lite homebrewing is kinda hard

[misty saffron]

if all it takes is software

[fair gull]

and requires hardmods rn iirc

[reef patrol]

You'd be using more resources though.

[misty saffron]

i wonder how much the modchips are

[crisp granite]

aka: fun project for a weekend

[fair gull]

iirc theres no hardmods rn for switch lite

[misty saffron]

nope

they sell those on aliexpress i think

[reef patrol]

There's the SX thing.

But I think they were raided or something? Stopped caring about Switch drama 😄

[fair gull]

the sx thing that never delivered fully cause the guys were put into jail?

[misty saffron]

and the chinese obviously made clones

[fair gull]

clones of what

we have 0 open source mod chips for the lite afaik

[reef patrol]

So glad I pulled the trigger on an OG Switch with the hardware exploit 😄

[crisp granite]

I wonder if BIOS trickery could get the switch to sing with other maxwell gen cards?

since it's powered by a maxwell gen soc, iirc

[fair gull]

ya and the soc has the bios

not even sure if the tegra x1 is maxwell

[crisp granite]

maxwell based GPU

according to wikipedia

as well as an ARM cpu

[fair gull]

contains the entire bootchain

[crisp granite]

so, a no go for a dumbass like me?

[fair gull]

i mean

if u buy an exploitable switch

u could run linux on it

and maybe get it to use a second gpu

via usb-c

[crisp granite]

hm

possible

my buddy has one of those switches

so, I'll see if I can get it off of him when he upgrades to a next gen switch

[fair gull]

so gameplan is: aquire Erista (without iPatch), homebrew it, run linux, make it load any gpu

[misty saffron]

might sell mine tbh

barely use it

[fair gull]

serialnumber?

[crisp granite]

you forgot the last step: play metro exodus on a switch

could probably trick the joycons into working like a switch pro controller too

unless they already do

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fair gull]

dont need to trick shit

u can use joycons on any pc with a normal bluetooth adapter

[crisp granite]

oh

didn't know

[fair gull]

u can even change their programmed colors etc

and view the ir cam

there are people who use joycons and a phone as a vr setup

[crisp granite]

would whatever nintendo has baked in work?

[fair gull]

baked in to were

[cursive summit]

You can't pair joycons with your PC

To my knowledge

Just out of the box

[misty saffron]

yeah you can

[cursive summit]

[crisp granite]

as in, would the bluetooth built into the switch clash with a linux install

[fair gull]

afaik they fixed it

and u can use the bt of the switch in linux

[crisp granite]

phew

[fair gull]

dont take my word on that tho

never ran linux on switch myself

[astral haven]

thats a you problem

all of the competent outside in tracking is steamvr tracking

aka lighthouses

and only thing that confuses lighthouses are mirrors

[fair gull]

i am a walking mirror

[misty saffron]

not sure how to understand that

[fair gull]

shaved my dinkleberries

im shiny now

[misty saffron]

speaking of

idk how i lived without a good trimmer before tbh

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/4c2b9nb0xvth.png

damn

theres someone who used my image host more than i did

[ivory geyser]

Who want to see the first public release of my software? 👀

[fair gull]

show it

now

what what even is ur software

[ivory geyser]

Ladies and gentlemen! I present you: The first public version of** Fantasia Archive**!

Check if out here: https://cartographyassets.com/assets/10089/fantasia-archive/

Fantasia Archive (or FA for short) is an offline, free software that was created as a reaction to the lack of proper offline world-building and writing tools as most of such programs focus almost entirely on just writing instead of on the world-building and all intricacies it brings. This is what sets FA apart: The focus on the structure of one’s works and relationships of all parts of it to each other instead of solely focusing on the writing experience itself.

List of some of FA's features:

• A broad set of predefined document types ranging from obvious choices like Chapters and Characters to details like Languages and Currencies.
• A large set of predefined, unique informational fields for each document type, which should cover a vast majority of the world-building needs of most authors.
• A fully integrated two-way relationship support across multiple fields and post-types. This means that if you for example mark character A as a friend of character B, then character B also gets automatically updated as a friend of character A.
• Infinite hierarchical support in the object hierarchical tree, which translates to infinite, user-defined custom categories or any hierarchical depth.
• Sophisticated, powerful, and very detailed search system for documents.
• Offline import/export functionality for your projects, which allows for portability between different instances of the app on multiple machines or sharing with friends.
• Multiple document tabs for easy access to your current work.
• Proper keyboard support for PC/Laptop users along with support for custom, user-definable keybindings.
• Customize-able UI via program settings to suit your needs the best.
• ...and many more!

@fair gull there ya go

Copy pasted from another Discord

[fair gull]

no open source?

[ivory geyser]

I am going to publish it on Github tomorrow. Been a bit apprehensive of the code till I got it to the beta stage and gave it proper licensing.

[fair gull]

A fully integrated two-way relationship support across multiple fields and post-types. This means that if you for example mark character A as a friend of character B, then character B also gets automatically updated as a friend of character A.

[astral haven]

pretty sure github has tools to help with that

[fair gull]

does this mean each char can only have 1 friend

[ivory geyser]

No

You can have as many as you want

And they all update automatically between each other

Both for adding or removing

[fair gull]

and i hope the search employs smth like levenshtein distances

or the option to

since it might get real cpu intensive

[ivory geyser]

The search is a custom written code by hand.

If it is effective or not... 🤷

Havent had any issue with 500+ documents

Also different parts of it are on-demand.

Normally it just searches through names

[fair gull]

levenshtein is smth ud use inside a custom search

[ivory geyser]

But you can make it do other things too

[fair gull]

since it only compares the "distance" between 2 strings

[ivory geyser]

If you download the software, there is a "advanced search guide" that explain in heavily details how it works

[fair gull]

doesnt open anything for me

https://discordjs.moe/2agnmrljs3rm.mp4

[ivory geyser]

wtf

[fair gull]

good to see its electron based

[ivory geyser]

I havent had anyone reporting this.

[fair gull]

fresh install

[ivory geyser]

Not a single person out of like... 50 people testing it

Can you try to restart it?

[fair gull]

now it works

still kinda weird

[ivory geyser]

Weird

No idea what that was about

[fair gull]

Even parts of words will result in successful search
Example: Dark scary castle will be found even if you type sca tle ark

this is what levenshtein distance basically does super efficiently

well as efficient as one can be with basically calculating stuff like that

[pale sigil]

so wait

[fair gull]

wlep

[pale sigil]

is this a doc writer

or something

[fair gull]

doesnt find test or text tho

[fair gull]

a tool specifically for smth like d&d world building

or fantasy stories etc

to keep track of everything like characters, locations currencies

[pale sigil]

advanced search

[fair gull]

whatnot

[pale sigil]

doesn't work for me

[fair gull]

restart

[pale sigil]

just confirming the bug

😄

[fair gull]

well

[pale sigil]

Ok

figured it out

[fair gull]

not that what i wanted to test works anyway

[pale sigil]

its when you have something open

that causes it

[fair gull]

unless it doesnt search inside chapters

[pale sigil]

when you make

something

i mean

[fair gull]

and only searches the name of items

[ivory geyser]

Well no, that is just what it does by default

It has quite a few additive modes.

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/658u1g3ddm18.png

also cant deal with a missing letter sadly

[pale sigil]

yay

lets break his software

[fair gull]

first

imma unpack the shit and look at the sweet js

[ivory geyser]

The tree search doesnt have any proper search support yet, I didnt get to to that yet sadly

[pale sigil]

Well

i deleted it

dont have much use for it

😄

[ivory geyser]

Nothing wrong with that.

@fair gull also: https://github.com/Elvanos/fantasia-archive

Go to town

[fair gull]

😮

no need to deminify the js

[ivory geyser]

You would have a damn hard time with that tbh

[fair gull]

i mean

i do have a private repo of half deminified wootility

so

i got time to spare

dw

[ivory geyser]

xD

[fair gull]

ah it uses vue

this will be one shit time for me

project is cool and all

but im not gonna visit hell rn

[ivory geyser]

Not a big fan of Vue?

[fair gull]

wouldnt say not a fan

just never got into it

[ivory geyser]

I am using Typescript and class syntax so it should be a bit easier to navigate

I hope

[reef patrol]

Naisu. I can finally use the last two USB ports on my front of case.

Modern problems require modern solutions and all that.

[astral haven]

ye

[analog aspen]

@reef patrol is there any way to check to see if a USB port is sharing its controller?

[reef patrol]

That definitely sounds like something you should ask our german prodigy engineer about over in #archived_questions_answers

Rocky - I'm talking about Rocky 😄

[wheat plume]

I didnt realise how chonky the internal USB connector is until I built my PC

[analog aspen]

I hope it’s the right Rocky

[wheat plume]

When the SSD arrives, AGHHH Im not looking forward for the length of time itll take to clone my HDD over to it....

[reef patrol]

Cloning is actually pretty fast.

[wheat plume]

634GB to clone from a 5400RPM drive

I was watching a video and it took 3 hours for him to clone one of his drives

I think it was a 1TB drive but maybe not

2TB... ah

[broken pollen]

everybodies gangster till usb D comes out

[vagrant pagoda]

what mobo doesn't have 2 3.0 headers these days?

[astral haven]

a motherboard that has a 3.1 header?

or 3.2

3.0 calls for the old style pin header

3.1 and above call for the new style header

dis one

old to new adapter

[vagrant pagoda]

most have 1 type c/3.1 and 2 3.0 headers

atleast that ive used

[astral haven]

new boards are gonna have em

[vagrant pagoda]

boards have had dual 3.0 for a while

my z97 has dual 3.0

[astral haven]

"new boards"

[vagrant pagoda]

thats just the oldest i remember with dual 3.0

i dont think ive ever used a board with single 3.0 and a type c

[astral haven]

pretty sure the z87 extreme boards all had dual 3.0

and my board is 1+1

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean z97 is just z87 with nvme/sata express support

[astral haven]

and an extra vrm

but it also is a year older

[vagrant pagoda]

there are no vrms in a chipset

[astral haven]

x97 has an extra vrm compared to z87

[vagrant pagoda]

not all of them, it is not a requirement

speaking of sataexpress, i dont think ive ever seen a working sata express device

[astral haven]

it is a requirement

[vagrant pagoda]

no it isnt

[astral haven]

otherwise it doesnt support 5 series lel

5000 series

that was the entire point of z97

[vagrant pagoda]

z97 dosent support 5000

its for 4xxx refresh

[astral haven]

no?

z97 was specifically for 5000 series

[vagrant pagoda]

it was made for the haswell refresh

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ i cant do anything more than tell you the facts

[vagrant pagoda]

also only 2? broadwell cpus were ever made for mainstream

[astral haven]

yup

[vagrant pagoda]

z97 was mainly for adding the 2 extra pcie lanes to the chipset

for nvme and thunderbolt

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️

[vagrant pagoda]

also 8x boards support 5th gen with bios updates

and the workstation versions of 8x work with 5th gen

[astral haven]

nope

you dont get l4

[vagrant pagoda]

z97 and haswell refresh both were annouced a the same press event

[astral haven]

the l4 needs the additional vrm

[vagrant pagoda]

you know haswell had l4

4770r/4670r/4570r all have L4

and all work out of the box with 8x chipsets

[astral haven]

lel

look up what socket those cpus use

ill give you a hint its not lga

[vagrant pagoda]

they still use the same chipset

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ they dont support z or h series chipsets, only q

[vagrant pagoda]

most haswell r used a h87 chipset

[astral haven]

oh really?

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ intel wouldnt allow that any more lel

[vagrant pagoda]

why

[astral haven]

h is cheap compared to q

either way doesnt work with z87

[vagrant pagoda]

q87 is for enterprise so it wouldnt make sense in a consumer product anyway

[astral haven]

also all im seeing validations for 4770r have hm87 chipsets

[vagrant pagoda]

https://static6.arrow.com/aropdfconversion/2d31bb0451d481ca93d6bcad0e02d0bda8c59a0a/1.pdf

[astral haven]

hunh

[vagrant pagoda]

or

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/76642/intel-core-i7-4770r-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz.html

goto compatible products

[astral haven]

yea

dont see any products 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant pagoda]

http://minecack.com/hotlink-ok/chrome_S6XsFLBk3c.png

[astral haven]

no like irl products

[vagrant pagoda]

never said anyone made one with it

just that it supported it

[astral haven]

im pretty sure that only the m variants were allowed on "imbedded" parts

and r cpus were imbedded only :/

god im so sad that there werent any 6th gen lga cpus with l4 😦

[vagrant pagoda]

you can do either

you can put a socket on a hm87 board

or a bga processor on a z87

[astral haven]

still wont have the required vrm for l4 🤷‍♂️

also apparently the 4770r l4 was slooooow

double the cycles of the 5775c lmao

thats really strange tho my laptop with l4 on 4th gen wasnt that slow at all

[vagrant pagoda]

sata express was such a waste though

i think the only consumer sata express device is the lenovo sata express m.2 caddy lol

[astral haven]

no?

sata express was for u.2

and there are plenty of u.2 drives lol

[vagrant pagoda]

no

sata express is different

[astral haven]

pcie is pcie

[vagrant pagoda]

yes but also no

sata express's connector

only exists on adapters

i dont think any devices ever used it

asus had a 3.5 inch bay sata express to usb type c

but it was just a off the shelf pcie x1 card with an adapter

[astral haven]

yes

still allows you to use your u.2 drives (just with limited bandwidth)

[vagrant pagoda]

i have 2 of the lenovo laptop adapters that i used for years

i dont think there is a u.2 sata express adapter

[astral haven]

https://www.amazon.com/SATA-Express-Cable-12-Inches/dp/B00YNLJSC8

this is u.2

[vagrant pagoda]

no that is SFF-8482

[astral haven]

Which is the drive side connector for u.2

[vagrant pagoda]

no u.2 uses the same physical plug as sata express

but the pinout are different

a u.2 drive will not work with a sata express host

[astral haven]

yea u.2 has 2 more pcie lanes

[vagrant pagoda]

there isnt a adapter to use a u.2 drive with a sata express host

[astral haven]

?

[vagrant pagoda]

u.2 has a different pinout

it isnt compatible with a sata express cable

[astral haven]

that is what the forums say yes

[vagrant pagoda]

ive tried it

lol

[fickle ore]

would you buy intel 900p 280gb for 350€?

[astral haven]

its $1/gb on ebay

for optane

even with import taxes it should be cheaper

[reef patrol]

[astral haven]

wow

[halcyon moss]

why buy a way too small ssd?

[wheat plume]

For that price

[fickle ore]

Ahh yeah ebay has it for nice price. I guess the EU shops are gouging as usual.

[halcyon moss]

what is the usecase for optane anyway?

[fickle ore]

I'd like to put OS and one game there for fast zone load times/preventing fps drops from said streaming

[astral haven]

uh optane is a bit overkill for that

data streaming is probably actually better on a classic nvme like a 970 or sn750

optane is for constant heavy writes

[fair gull]

@reef patrol i need a small pc with gpu slot for modern games

please tell me u have an affordable recommendation

[reef patrol]

No clue. I'm on the opposite spectrum xD

Have you SEEN how heavy and THICC the Dynamic XL is?

[old marlin]

[astral haven]

wouldnt be surprised tho

there are alot of chips running around

[old marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/dorito-crisp-shine-chip-gif-12818097

[wheat plume]

I didn't either
I got my parts during covid

Though I think the newest piece of hardware in my PC is the processor

:/ my motherboard only comes with one m.2 slot screw?! -.- I can't install my ssd now

What size screw are they?

[astral haven]

locke you in the states?

evga ship to you?

[fair gull]

@reef patrol didnt u build sff pcs

[astral haven]

at midnight on wednesday they do a psu drop

[reef patrol]

I built two - That hardly makes me a master. Or means I keep up to date with stuff.

[astral haven]

can get some refurb psu for clearance pricing

i mean there are also gpus that drop but those get botted out as far as i can tell since they never appear on my screen lel

[fair gull]

@reef patrol makes u more of a master than me

[reef patrol]

If you want actual tips on SFF or just small cases in general, I can highly recommend one of the SFF Discords.

[timid chasm]

They have a Google Spreadsheet of SFF pc cases and specs

if you want insanely small

but a nice atx case that's small is expensive

or on pre-order like the P-ATX V2

[fair gull]

send one pls

[reef patrol]

https://discord.com/invite/sffpc

[wheat plume]

;_;
I forgot about that I only had one m.2 screw :/
Fml

[timid chasm]

These are handy
Cases:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dzRY3LLsXcDX5Qt5PvQOrAJhw0EK9Cy7UtQPdyRp6PY/edit#gid=0

Master List:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AddRvGWJ_f4B6UC7_IftDiVudVc8CJ8sxLUqlxVsCz4/edit#gid=1459265577

[reef patrol]

You CAN - Technically have the M.2 hanging in the socket without a screw.

Just ehh... don't bump the case 😄

[wheat plume]

I'd rather not... Especially since that slot is partially under the GPU...

[reef patrol]

Got a local PC repair shop or something? They should have a box with loose M.2 screws from Motherboards and such.

If not... time to Amazon dat shit.

[old marlin]

iirc they are m2

[reef patrol]

The correct screw size is 2.0 x 3mm (CM2x3-3.3).

From google. Like 99% of them use the same screw. Very rarely they use a small adaptor and a special screw for those motherboards with a shield.

[wheat plume]

Oh what if I need a stand off

Agghh ffs

[old marlin]

a lot of mobos with shield don't have a screw from my experience

which sucks

[reef patrol]

Then it should have been included in the motherboard.

[old marlin]

wait

[wheat plume]

Mine did

[old marlin]

you have neither a screw nor a standoff?

[reef patrol]

Worst case - What manufacturer is it? Mail them and ask if they can ship you a screw 🙂

[old marlin]

any m2 stadoff should be good

unless you get a gigantic one

[wheat plume]

Only one screw came with the motherboard
And idk if I needed a standoff or not for my currently installed ssd

[old marlin]

you always need the standoff

or well

I would advise you to always use one

[wheat plume]

AGH ;_; It would be easier to get a sata ssd

Cancel this order and buy sata ssd and just deal with cable management

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKW58MS12g

Everything went better than expected.

[wheat plume]

Are they 2 x 3 mm screws that are used in m.2 to keep it down?

[reef patrol]

https://www.ssdscrews.co.uk/product/m2-ssd-standoff-screw-original-omz/

Mhmm

Random google result.

[wheat plume]

I have a few that are threaded the same length but they have a few mm of flat area too

Too long?

[fair gull]

try it

[wheat plume]

Don't have the ssd yet

[reef patrol]

Without a measuring tool. I'm going to bet...no.

Thread looks too big to be M.2

[wheat plume]

It's too long

[reef patrol]

Well that too.

[wheat plume]

The threaded part is ok length wise but with the addition of the flat section

Then it's bad

[reef patrol]

My take. Order screws alongside the M.2. or get the SATA one instead and make sure you have cables for that.

It shouldn't be this difficult to solve.

[wheat plume]

Oo
Nice

Surely there should be more changelog? I don't think a security patch is 671mb?

[timid chasm]

You're addicted to updating things for no reason

[wheat plume]

Nope xd
My phone told me there is an update
So imma do it

I don't bother manually checking on this phone cause it's using the global rom which isn't updated very often

[halcyon moss]

teams is def not just skype
(this is teams)

[wheat plume]

The majority is skype

[halcyon moss]

sorry i forgot the /s

[wheat plume]

They use the same code for calling and whatnot

Oh xd

[halcyon moss]

i ahve about 0.3 bitcoin on a wallet.. i have it

its encrypted, and i dont know the password

[ashen spindle]

sounds like it would be worth it trying some bruteforce on that wallet

[halcyon moss]

true, but of course i choose the best encryption :/

[ashen spindle]

run it constantly in the background, or on some cloud server haha

it should take an excessive ammount of time for the electricity cost used to crack it be more than the value

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvg7lRTtRw

if anyone wants a short video on what you need to know before you can write simple cpu reviews

[fickle ore]

cool there is a scientist doing reviews but standard run of the mill reviews barely require any knowledge

[wheat plume]

Im laughing :') ahahaha

[ashen spindle]

cmon you should know it's a joke, you don't need a chemical PhD to review cpus

no doubt helps him to udnerstand certain things much better, from a consumer perspective ofc that's not what a review needs to focus on 😛

[wheat plume]

Why that script exit if its not Windows but then has a user agent to pretend to be Linux?!

[ashen spindle]

once again Lana, you throwing 5 lines of code with a question at others, when nobody has a clue what it is about makes it impossible to give any answers xD

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/s3wS1Dd3FFs

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle yeah its just sad to see he doesnt give more to the community, since he would probably know more.. and ask and answer the correct why questions

but reviews are made on purpose to the general consumption

[ashen spindle]

I mean you can see him transferring that knowledge into knowing what questions to ask when he interviews Lisa, mark forrest etc.

unless he would get a chance to talk to an actual engineer, that wouldn't help much and even then they most of the time cant even answer

better to make your own answers and try to conclude from that what is going on and ask the questions that he can get answers for

If what many people hope will happen with Pat bringing back the Intel dev days, that might be an event where we can see more about it

also I'm not watching a 60 minute video to maybe figure out why that is the header string

[wheat plume]

Im only 7 minutes into the video

[misty saffron]

because the user agent is not set by default

obviously it needs something

the person who wrote it just happened to have a linux one

[wheat plume]

oh.. hmmm

[ashen spindle]

or it's copy pasted from something else lmao

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/JlZe2JwrJqM

[cursive summit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/man356/this_robotic_hand_that_performs_almost_as_well_as/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[wheat plume]

gosh damnit

[broken pollen]

ill do it

for science

[crisp granite]

ok then

I'll set up the miter saw

[broken pollen]

something about smart people is quite hot ngl

by hot i mean attractive

[old marlin]

I thought you meant they get warmer than the average person

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/G77ev9pks4I

[zenith sonnet]

Make marketing today with what you wanna do in 10 years. Bravo Razer.

https://www.techpowerup.com/280033/razer-commits-to-a-greener-more-sustainable-future-for-all-to-game-in

[wheat plume]

aka: remove all accesories from boxes and sell them seperately if wanted in their own boxes with their own sheets of documentation

wait, no: thats just Apple

[reef patrol]

Ah fudge... YT changed icons again.

They're SO ugly.

I really don't think so. They didn't design these with dark theme in mind clearly.

Or high resolutions

Not only did they shrink them slightly, they use thin outlines, which don't render well.

Mnope - They don't look better in light mode either. What the hell Google. In your own browser at that 😄

[broken pollen]

may happen stance

[misty saffron]

honestly this is not a bad idea

as long as you pay less

[crisp granite]

knowing razer, they'll quote that as a reason to increase prices

[wheat plume]

yeah, if you have a charger already
Even if you do, it wont be as fast as the phone can support due to how fast each new year of phone can charge
I can use my old charger brick on my new phone but it charges so slow it takes like 3 hours to fully charge

[crisp granite]

3 hours?

my S5 takes a solid 6 hours to fully charge

via... micro B, ew

[ashen spindle]

unless they significantly upgrade the charger to one with a brick to really shove more into it, I doubt it's actually the cable causing that issue

[crisp granite]

I've tried higher wattage bricks

but then I saw smoke and quite literally pulled the plug

:D

phone still works though

[ashen spindle]

what I meant to say, unless they make it so you can use laptop chargers for a phone which would be absolute overkill, the cables should be more or less the same

[crisp granite]

ah

[ashen spindle]

so the point "it wont be as fast as the new one" doesnt really make sense

https://www.qualcomm.com/products/features/quick-charge

like shown in the table, there are backwards compatibility cases of quite a lot of fast charging variants

after all it's all on the same USB protocol

[thick elk]

I wish everyone just followed Apple on that one and just properly use USB-PD

I know other protocols are often compatible but it does make it needlessly confusing

[old marlin]

they already got rid of most plastic in their peripheral packaging

unlike most companies

[ashen spindle]

reminds me my PSU had a notice that they were not using what they usually put it in because that's material they use for making masks

wasn't used in marketing or anything, was just noted on a small paper inside

[crisp granite]

nice

honestly, that really screams "we give a shit about people"

props to whichever brand made that PSU

[ashen spindle]

seasonic

[ashen spindle]

idk

[crisp granite]

long time coming at this point, any sales they could make have mostly dried up

[old marlin]

rip the vita

I still wanna play bl2 on it at some point for a laugh

[wheat plume]

I just noticed the youtube icons are different on the website now

[reef patrol]

I ranted it about it earlier 😄

[wheat plume]

on this channel?

[crisp granite]

ye

mansen do be a grumpy duck sometimes

[wheat plume]

oh..

:P

[reef patrol]

Here.

[wheat plume]

oohhhhhhh

i saw that

it didnt register with me

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

cause I didnt read the text

just saw the photo xd

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen did u try the SPRIT springs?

[analog aspen]

Nah. Nothing to use it on 🥲

Lekker has custom MX spring diameter

[fickle ore]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/springs

so many options with different characteristics

[crisp granite]

they won't fit in lekkers

kinda sad

I would love some mid stiff progressives in there for typing

[fickle ore]

is the hole too smoll?

[crisp granite]

no

the lekker springs are a larger diameter

[analog aspen]

No the Lekker springs too wide

[old marlin]

also using ferromagnetic springs might throw sensing off

[analog aspen]

Also I guess linear makes more sense for analog

[old marlin]

since the lekker uses non-ferromagnetic springs

[fickle ore]

so? just take the lekker spring out and use a smaller one? U.u

[old marlin]

does not fit

[crisp granite]

not how it works

but just for you

I will shove an MX spring into one of the lekkers that comes with my two HE to show why that is a bad idea

[fickle ore]

explain plox havent followed lekker development

https://kbdfans.com/collections/springs/products/sprit-mx-supreme-springs wonder whats so special about those

[crisp granite]

I passed up the lekker thinking I wouldn't want it

well

I was wrong

[old marlin]

low ping and "spring crunch"

[crisp granite]

like always

[old marlin]

in comparison to most stock springs

[crisp granite]

yep, I fucked up

like always

[misty saffron]

when the fuck is apple going to make a magsafe car charger

[fickle ore]

ah ok hmm

[misty saffron]

wireless charging is genuinely nice in cars

[fickle ore]

So the lekker is 65cN bottom out right? What mx spring is that equivalent to?

[old marlin]

none

cheap

[analog aspen]

I think Doge was already late when he joined this server anyways. Also it’s the Lekkers that had to wait longest (2 years+). HE people would have to wait 6 months max

[fickle ore]

@old marlin ffs type more than 1 word xD

[old marlin]

lol

is between reds and blacks

[fickle ore]

isn't mx spring actuation pt? mx red being 45 actuation?

[old marlin]

yes

and 60 bottom out

[crisp granite]

I thought they were 60 gf bottom out?

[fickle ore]

idk

[old marlin]

na

65

[crisp granite]

I first saw it around when orders opened, but I joined this server a hell of a lot later when I stumbled across the very thing that interested me in wootings in the first place again, that chryosran22 wooting one review

[fickle ore]

p close to mx red anyway

just put a heavy keycap and its the same lol

[old marlin]

would need to be some dense metal

[analog aspen]

Rest of the world: “8kHz polling causes stutter on my game”
Razer R&D: “300 hours of CSGO in my rig and it works perfectly”
Me: Are you sure it’s really 8kHz polling or it got reduced to 1kHz without you even knowing 🤣
Razer R&D: blames game devs

[fickle ore]

I have some vanadium caps for yoo

[old marlin]

you are aware you are only seeing bad cases with "rest of the world"

[crisp granite]

or lick your fingers and keycaps clean

😛

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen send me it my ryzen can take it easy bruv

[crisp granite]

yum

heavy metal

[fickle ore]

16khz no prob

[analog aspen]

It’s wouldn’t be common problem if it’s not common.
I also have stutter that can only be solved with PC restart. Then I don’t even know if it’s really working 8kHz in-game when it’s not stuttering.
I don’t open a complain post on r/mousereviews or I could be a part of that “rest of the world”

Bitch to game devs enough they start adding support

Those games 10+ years old

[fickle ore]

I refuse to believe 8khz has issues, but I can't say for sure until I own one :b

[analog aspen]

It’s wacko af first time plugged it in Synapse didn’t recognize it. Had to restart.
Then the stutter problem comes and go with each restart, as well as whether the mouse is really polling 8kHz

[zinc wind]

Are the Wooting Keyboards the only Movement Keyboards?

[analog aspen]

Yes

[fickle ore]

I can move with my 20 year old keyboards fine too

[analog aspen]

Pronin wouldn’t believe my “rest of the world” statement 🥲

[old marlin]

never said that it isn't a common issue

but the way you said it made it sound like noone had it working fine

[analog aspen]

That’s a good speculation

Who does have it working perfectly fine actually

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen I looked thru ur posts earlier and u have 2/3 devices on one controller on a couple year old intel system

just seperate them

[old marlin]

pzogel had it working in a lot of titles

[analog aspen]

Carry on

[fickle ore]

Delete any device that uses usb but is not a mouse or a keyboard

throw it away

and put mouse on controller 1#

and keyboard 2#

Use w10

[zinc wind]

Can I buy the Wooting Two also as a TKL keyboard?

[fickle ore]

@zinc wind sadly no, have to wait a bit longer until they make Wooting One HE

[analog aspen]

Also depends on each person’s definition of “working”. I guess my mouse “work”, 50% of the times I power on my PC it either stutters the game or it doesn’t But why only 50% of the time. Also, is it really polling at 8kHz in game when it’s not stuttering? What is the tool to test that?

[reef patrol]

That...would be the One.

The HE however has no plans for TKL, only smaller than.

[crisp granite]

mansen being brilliant

[zinc wind]

@fickle ore Do you know a approximately time for the wooting one he?

[analog aspen]

Tools like BenQ Mouse Rate Checker works in browser (Razer claimed they are faulty for 8kHz testing)
Mouse Checker.exe or Razer’s own tool works for Windows environment outside of the actual game

[crisp granite]

no such thing is in the works

just get a board with a numpad

like a normal person

[reef patrol]

I literally just said there were no plans for it.

Dag misspoke.

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen your issues really sounds like an usb controller/bios/cpu bottleneck issue. Maybe the games you play use your Core0/1 100% and/or play shitty games that use DInput for crosshair movement

@reef patrol he likes me more + I speak better than you

[reef patrol]

[crisp granite]

but mansen is duck

[analog aspen]

I used Lasso thanks to you and have the game binds to core 2,4,6 and up
Also the game is League so it’s probably raw input

[ashen spindle]

@reef patrol I really don't get why there is no official version of tinos paint picture-roadmap yet

[crisp granite]

and no one can say no to a duck

[reef patrol]

Don't tempt me.

[crisp granite]

make it so, mansen

do it

[ashen spindle]

do it, add it to #❔│faq

[crisp granite]

do it

do it

do it

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[fickle ore]

@zinc wind Sorry I don't know bruv, ask Mansen he probably don't know but he will check for you bud

[ashen spindle]

#❔│faq really has the wrong name when there are constantly the same questions but they aren't answered there tbh

[fickle ore]

tbf tkl and smaller than e.g 75%/70% is nearly the same, maybe he's fine with that too

[crisp granite]

smaller than TKL could mean anything with 1-87 keys

for all we know, wooting might be planning an ergodox behind our backs

which I would love

[fickle ore]

not making 60-80% but making even smaller would be weird move

[crisp granite]

or maybe wooting will make an ortho board?

which would also be quite pog

I would happily pay $200 CAD for an ortho 50%

[analog aspen]

In Maximus XI Hero there’s only 1 controller. 9 ports? Pretty sure it’s how it’s been with the new boards.
The only other controller I have is from graphic card usbc

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen have you tried this "There’s a setting in the game inside the Options, Game, Uncheck use software mouse. That might help, options is only available in game."

unchecking that DInput cursor will rock your trousers

[analog aspen]

LoL definitely doesn’t have that setting

[ashen spindle]

literally no recent board has less than 2 controllers, why would you do extra work and combine chipset and cpu lanes for no benefit

[analog aspen]

Same to Osu!

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen give us a pic of your device tree

[ashen spindle]

intel cpus afaik dont even run without a chipset recognized

[analog aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195657113190662155/823360952283299910/unknown.png

[fickle ore]

yeah too much crap on that controller

[analog aspen]

If I know how to read that’s 2 right

[fickle ore]

delete that wireless from it

[analog aspen]

2 controllers

1 is from my graphic card

1 from mobo that’s it

[fickle ore]

mobo name

[analog aspen]

Maximus XI Hero

Let me get my ass to my computer and link the manual

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1151/ROG_MAXIMUS_XI_HERO/E14809_ROG_MAXIMUS_XI_HERO_UM_V2_WEB.pdf

[crisp granite]

discord mobile is abysmal though

I can't stand it

[analog aspen]

it's mobile shrug

who sits in front of the computer all the time

[crisp granite]

me, I guess

lockdown is harsh here

literally everything that isn't absolutely necessary is closed

and yes

[ashen spindle]

your board has multiple controllers

[analog aspen]

I mean that still doesn't excuse not using mobile for discord

[crisp granite]

a shitload of businesses have shut down

[fickle ore]

god I forgot how much I hate Asus. That Manual is the work of satan

[analog aspen]

that is something Google don't give me

nutty

[ashen spindle]

no that is literally my second google result

[analog aspen]

no i mean you find it because you knew the keyword

[reef patrol]

@zinc wind I... genuinely don't know what part of "There are NO plans for a TKL sized HE board" you can't understand. Repeating the question in a PM is just further confusing 😄

[analog aspen]

no idea how to read the block diagram tho

teach me

[ashen spindle]

anyway wtf is that pixel program you use to look at your devices

is that a skin for device manager?

[zinc wind]

@reef patrol I wanted to say it as a Feedback

[reef patrol]

I... don't work for Wooting. 😛

[analog aspen]

USB tree view. Nutty tool btw

[ashen spindle]

sounds useless

just open device manager hit View->Devices by Connection

[analog aspen]

xP

[reef patrol]

And TKL never sold as well as fullsized boards anyhow. So... your feedback is largely anecdotal.

[ashen spindle]

looks like this for me btw

did you sort devices by connection?

[analog aspen]

actually nah cross that

ye you're right it's pretty useless tool

[fickle ore]

yeah fuck that asus mobo manual

just post a pic of your tree

[ashen spindle]

[fickle ore]

nono

device manager - view - resources by connection

[analog aspen]

it is xD

[ashen spindle]

no he's asking for something else

devices!=resources

[analog aspen]

OOO

IO?

or IRQ

[fickle ore]

so I have 3 if that equation is correct

One of those might be front port for you, atleast was on my asus intel board (P67 (10 yrs old))

[ashen spindle]

the equation is correct, that I can assure you

[analog aspen]

no multis

[fickle ore]

Open them

click

clickclickclick

CLICK BRO ALL

what the fuck is that board lol

[analog aspen]

lmfao

[ashen spindle]

looks like one on the cpu and one or two on the chipset, idk how they handle it exactly

[analog aspen]

I think I really only have 1

[ashen spindle]

aka normal like every board

[fickle ore]

says novideo usb tho

[ashen spindle]

ah right

depends on how well their next gen does thermally

or rather, what samsung can handle

usbc was cut primarily because of powerdraw

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen I'm guessing if you connect the internal usb wires/front port to the mobo on the case, you get 2nd and 3rd usb 3.1 controller to show up

[ashen spindle]

can one controller run both usb 2 and usb3?

if not that would make it clear to be 3, otherwise it could be 2

[astral haven]

Usb c was not cut because of power draw it was cut because no headsets supported it

Yes quin

[ashen spindle]

I mean we would never get that as an actual reply from nvidia so I guess I can't ever prove the opposite

[astral haven]

A usb 3 connection will start out as a usb 2 connection then negociate itself up to 3 speeds

No, it was gn who asked and got a reply from them in the press breifing

[analog aspen]

lets see...

[ashen spindle]

yeah but nvidia would never give the public a reply to the like of "yeah we couldn't get out gpu/memory powerdraw and heat low enough to add usbc"

[astral haven]

They also said said board partners were allowed to put it on if they wanted 🤷

[analog aspen]

is it different? I can't tell xd

looks the same

[fickle ore]

Hey skyrst put you keyb on the usb 2.0 port

[astral haven]

Oh BTW there can be more than 1 physical usb controller per driver

[ashen spindle]

even across two places as one is on the cpu and the other is on the chipset?

[astral haven]

Intel doesn't have any usb on the cpu itself only the chipset

And ryzen uses one driver shared between the cpu and chipset usb controllers

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen if you have your keyb on the usb 2.0 port and mouse on the 3.1 you should have 2 diff controllers

[astral haven]

Not on intel

[ashen spindle]

ohhhh right the older cpus on intel dont have one

[astral haven]

No?

[ashen spindle]

I was thinking about the more recent ones

[astral haven]

Literally zero cpus do

[fickle ore]

@astral haven yes we know all usb 2-3 ports use xhci 3.1

[analog aspen]

yeah I'm trying. It's not showing so I'll just delete the device and restart see what happens

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen check bios might be disabled there

[analog aspen]

controller disabled in bios by default? o.O

wow

[zenith sonnet]

Honestly, I've come to the conclusion that most people assume that Wooting Two is newer than the Wooting One (technically correct) instead of seeing it as an alternative model. And I believe that is the reason it sold much better.

[ashen spindle]

you're right I was looking at 11th gen diagram and assumed it was rocket lake but it was tiger lake zzzz

[astral haven]

11th gen doesn't have usb on the cpu either

[ashen spindle]

tiger lake does

usb4

[astral haven]

Thunderbolt grabs usb from the chipset

It requires an external mux chip still

[astral haven]

Cool story

[fickle ore]

Why do you think we bought ryzen 5xxx? Wroom wroom -0.01ms input lag

granted it's bugged and only got mouse on the 3.2 port now thats directly on the cpu, wooting stuck on a pleb chipset port

[ashen spindle]

I mean I can only assume that intel is not lying on their own slides

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle haha type C rip mousenerds

[ashen spindle]

thats tigerlake aka laptop

[astral haven]

https://fuse.wikichip.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/type-c-new-4.png
This is how it is physically attached

And ice is identical to tiger

[ashen spindle]

as I said I assumed I could trust intel slides on that regard, that is a bit out of my knowledge to know how that changes things

[fickle ore]

it shows cpu - retimer - type-C, thats not via the chipset

[astral haven]

For all intents and purposes the thunderbolt comes from the cpu since the cpu does internally handle the 40gbps conversion

But the usb portion is handled by the chipset

All the link negotiation and legacy usb modes

Yup

And with ice and tiger you get full 32gbps thunderbolt

[analog aspen]

port 8 is my keyboard on the blue usb hub

[astral haven]

Unlike the 22gbps limited previous controllers

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen Yeah thats fucked, just one controller sharing devices. Very bad for 8khz

[astral haven]

Use the gpu port lol

[analog aspen]

how bad exactly hmmm

[astral haven]

I threw a cheapb3.0 hub on it and had all my io on it

It really isn't a problem in reality

[analog aspen]

yeah lucky my card have that wtf

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen looks like you have audio on the usb3 or wireless headphone or sumthin so 3 devices, if not disable those devices

[astral haven]

I was running my intellimouse at 8k on the same controller as my audio interface while I was also running my external hdd, and it didn't have any jitter

[analog aspen]

wireless bluetooth is the wifi and bluetooth capability I think

[astral haven]

It's just the Bluetooth part of the wifi card

[analog aspen]

Port13 - Port3 is my Vendor ID : 0x1B1C (CORSAIR MEMORY INC.)

I assume its my CPU cooler

[analog aspen]

yeah delete the bluetooth don't need it anyways grin

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen with 2 devices you're gonna drop occasionally to 5-7khz during normal 8khz operation... and some of the polls for the Viper are dropped due interrupt moderation -> part of the stutter you see. They are not saved

With 3 you drop more

[astral haven]

Sounds like an amd problem lel

[fickle ore]

No, that's not vendor specific

[astral haven]

❌

[analog aspen]

Port 1 is from Asus
Vendor ID : 0x0B05 (ASUSTek Computer Inc.)

[fickle ore]

@astral haven yeah you can disagree all you want but this stuff is known and confirmed

[astral haven]

I mean it doesn't happen on my machine...

Lel

[fickle ore]

@astral haven eh you're not looking for it

[astral haven]

I mean I literally was?

[analog aspen]

@ashen spindle my cpu is coffee lake, 9900k

[fickle ore]

Show me your mousetester plots at 8khz

[astral haven]

Had it connected for a while to see if the overclock was stable

[ashen spindle]

Yeah doesn’t matter, was looking at the wrong diagram

[fickle ore]

@astral haven Yeah I'm sure you're the only one who doesn't have it when it was confirmed by razer internal tests. It's caused by USB interrupt moderation, so unless you tweaked that you have it

[analog aspen]

works fine tbh

[astral haven]

I'm not using razer

[fickle ore]

@astral haven it doesnt matter what u use

[astral haven]

I'm using the intellimouse with an overclock

[fickle ore]

dont care

[astral haven]

🤷 razer never said it wasn't amd only

[analog aspen]

the only problem is either it causes stutters in game or it doesn't
and when it doesn't there's no tool to make sure it's really polling at 8kHz instead of 1kHz

[fickle ore]

if interrupt moderation is 50µS on W10 (Intel) you can calculate it using known variables (8khz and a 1khz device sharing a controller)

it's not that hard

[astral haven]

🤷 intel does cool magic to isolate devices on chipset usb connections

[fickle ore]

this is literally intel problem

....

[astral haven]

Anyways the tldr is that it isn't a problem with my intellimouse at 8k

It was stable for an hour even when using my audio interface and external hdd at the same time

[fickle ore]

tldr is that you're wrong, but keep believing

[astral haven]

You own an intellimouse and intel?

That should work

On older windows versions you could install a custom driver to overclock it to 8khz

Nope has to be windows 10

And has to be a usb 3 port

Ot at least a usb 2 port on a 3 controller

Ye think the version it broke on was 1709?

I believe windows 7 fully up to date works too

?

Maybe

[wheat plume]

when this app says the drive health is good

Is that reliable? cause this drive makes clicky noises under load

[astral haven]

It can't know more than the drive says to it

[wheat plume]

true

[astral haven]

Use hdd sentinel

It has a few tests that run

[wheat plume]

it says 100% for my SSD, but for my other SSD it doesnt give a percentage

that normal?

[astral haven]

Not all ssds record exact wear

Use hwinfo64 or aida64 if you can

[wheat plume]

hm, ok one moment

[astral haven]

It's been powered on for 320 days lel

[wheat plume]

not sure, it is the HDD that came with friends laptop, which he used for about 3 years before upgrading to SSD
Then he used it as a backup drive on his main PC and then gave it to me

xd

[astral haven]

Shame it's a toshiba

[wheat plume]

why?

[astral haven]

Second worst hdd option

[wheat plume]

O.o

its not he had much choice, it came with his laptop

[astral haven]

Yea

But what's funny is my Toshiba laptop came with a wd drive lmao

[wheat plume]

wtf

It was Asus laptop

one of their cheaper gaming ones

wait, Acer

[astral haven]

Used to be the default for cheap laptops

Now dead

Kioxia? Is their official name now I think

[wheat plume]

hwinfo UI is such a mess

[fair gull]

i thought hitachi is the default for cheap shit

[wheat plume]

shudders

[ashen spindle]

Just rearrange the hwinfo ui if you don’t like it? You can customize it a lot

[wheat plume]

O.o hwinfo shows a fuck ton of data on each drive

[fair gull]

just buy aida64

[wheat plume]

oh yeah, ofc it would show the disk drive, its SATA

[vapid zodiac]

ewwww disks, all the bois using floppys

[wheat plume]

:')

I need to begin downloading songs for my uncle ;-; to burn them to disk

[vapid zodiac]

i dont even download music anymore, free streaming ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i dont even have a disc drive on my pc, havent needed one (apart from like one time when i used a usb one)

[wheat plume]

I did either until last month

Had to dig out my old laptop from the attic to make CDs

OMFH HE WANTS THE LION SLEEPS TONIGHT ON THE CD :') IM DYING

[vapid zodiac]

is your uncle quite old by any chance?

[wheat plume]

Yep

🤔 whys this one like half the length?

[vapid zodiac]

you get to find out by watching it

[wheat plume]

imma just choose the longer one

or shorter, to save space on the disk

hmmm

[vapid zodiac]

just preordered a HE, 🥳

[wheat plume]

UwU :D

My uncle really likes "The Band"

wot

American Pie :') this list is a damn meme

[edgy hull]

eh, hitachi is kinda really friggin good for HDDs, esp the server drives

[astral haven]

hitachi no longer makes hdds

they changed their name to hgst then sold to wd

[vapid zodiac]

id recommend going full ssd if you can afford it, i need speeeeed

ofc, it depends on application as well, for system storage, ssds, for bulk/nas hdds

and then for servers, it really depends what youre doing

[proud nacelle]

yeah hdds are in a big monopoly

it's pretty scary imo

if for whatever reason wd bought out seagate or vice versa, bye bye reasonably priced hdds

even then they are already overpriced

[astral haven]

i mean

they are pretty cheap for what you get lmao

and the tech hasnt gotten any cheaper to make, only greater capacity at the same price

you always have that 2 motor+ platter+head minimum

[proud nacelle]

well when that flooding happened, prices always seem to have permanently increased imo

[astral haven]

havent noticed it 🤷‍♂️

over time the price/gb has gone down

[proud nacelle]

another thing: the whole smr/cmr thing.

they got away with it until people called them out for their bullshit afaik. smr is cheaper too

[astral haven]

it is pretty whatever

literally only matters for zfs

and well

🤷‍♂️

[proud nacelle]

still not right to do that though

[astral haven]

ill play the devils advocate and say that its actually 100% fine

you wanted higher capacity at the same price and thats how they did it

[proud nacelle]

yeah but they didn't disclose it

that's the problem

if they did, i would have gone with a lower capacity, that's for certain

[astral haven]

the device performed exactly as specified 🤷‍♂️

[proud nacelle]

nope

[astral haven]

literally did

nothing they said about it was wrong

their specs showed it performing worse 🤷‍♂️

[proud nacelle]

did it? i don't recall, last time i checked the pdfs they were almost identical

[astral haven]

almost is not exact

they were significantly worse at writing, and never advertised any capacity for random reads and writes

only the high end golds advertise that, and with the golds, anything that says archival is smr

[proud nacelle]

i really don't recall it being significantly worse

this was a while back

still imo, it's not justifiable having the same price tag for a worse drive.

[wheat plume]

This is pretty sweet looking ! I love the floating tabs

https://youtu.be/WxpObaZCl6M

[astral haven]

it wasnt the same price it was cheaper

[ivory geyser]

That looks like a downgrade tbh

The UI looks like shit, removed customizeability.

Like... wut?

Startpage looks like budged Opera-wannabe lol

[chrome estuary]

Is this the one that removes compact?

[ivory geyser]

I think so

[proud nacelle]

pretty sure

[astral haven]

that looks disgusting lmao

[wheat plume]

It's not done yet
They aren't removing features

[proud nacelle]

that's a lie

[astral haven]

imo the point of tabs is its supposed to look like actual tabs but what do i know

[ivory geyser]

Compared to this, it looks atrocious lol

[wheat plume]

Just ui change for some reason

[wheat plume]

I don't like how that looks :') mostly the side bar on the left

[ivory geyser]

You can turn it off, it is optional

[wheat plume]

And the bookmarks bar

[ivory geyser]

You can also turn that off

It is also optional

[wheat plume]

Ah

[ivory geyser]

Boop

[proud nacelle]

the only reason they're doing ui change is because they don't have anything else to do

too many art devs, not enough code devs

change my mind

[ivory geyser]

They could add useful features ya know.

Or at least semi-useful ones

[wheat plume]

Ah
Much better

[ivory geyser]

Yea, it is two clicks away lol

Two switches in the main menu

[wheat plume]

I still don't trust opera

I know my sister uses opera gx though

She likes how it looks

[ivory geyser]

That is alright, no one is forcing you.

My GF uses GX

[wheat plume]

Oof

[ivory geyser]

It is a bit too colorful for me.

[misty pier]

i like vivaldi

[ivory geyser]

But it is still a nice browser tbh

[wheat plume]

I haven't seen much of it

Vivaldi is nice but it seems too clunky for me

[ivory geyser]

Vivaldi is not that nice to use in my experience.

[wheat plume]

Like how firefox feels in mobile

[ivory geyser]

Slow and sluggish

Opera is lit on phone tho

Built in adblocker and tracker blocker.

[wheat plume]

It also doesn't wanna use gtk theme like firefox or chrome can do

[ivory geyser]

Good shit

[misty pier]

i used to use opera on mobile long ago but now i don't bother

[chrome estuary]

I just use Firefox on mobile

[misty pier]

i just use safari with an adblocker

[ivory geyser]

I guess that works too

[wheat plume]

Safari has extensions?!

[ivory geyser]

@wheat plume huehue xD https://www.opera.com/opera-chrome-firefox-comparison

[wheat plume]

Oh
Can you set your own dns on iOS?

[misty pier]

yeah

[wheat plume]

Ahh neat

[astral haven]

ah but does ios support doh?

[misty pier]

I use an app that offers doh support

[astral haven]

nice

[chrome estuary]

What ram do you have? 8 or 16?

[wheat plume]

Idc much about these features

[misty pier]

i hate those free bundled vpns

dont need it

[wheat plume]

The opera one isn't a proper vpn anyway

[ivory geyser]

It is?

How it is not a proper VPN

Websites throw a hissy fit when you use it

[chrome estuary]

Firefox does

[ivory geyser]

I dont know about FF... it might

[chrome estuary]

I don't remember about chrome

[ivory geyser]

But Chrome sure as hell doesnt

[misty pier]

[wheat plume]

Wot

[ivory geyser]

Data saving feature is for Opera Mini on android, that isnt the VPN

These are 2 different features