🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

But basically getting ram info outside of what the VM can access was possible or so

[proud nacelle]

huh... that's odd... and this would happen even if the memory was locked into a certain location? (if i recall correctly, this is a possibility on linux).

[ashen spindle]

Well the issue is getting access the data in other memory areas, by grabbing it while it’s in cpu cache to be used for prediction

[proud nacelle]

ah that's right. i forgot. i must have been thinking of rowhammer or something else

well, no solution for that :) ... mitigations exist but last time i checked they aren't 100% effective , plus with the performance degradation, makes you wonder if it's even worth it

[ashen spindle]

Only if you are cloudprovider lol

[proud nacelle]

yeah. and actually, the article states that one version of spectre is actually unpatchable in software...

🤔 i wonder if a 6502 would have these issues now

[ashen spindle]

obviously not

doesnt have specualative paths that can be exploited

[proud nacelle]

i didn't know, but good to know now :)

"old but not obsolete" remains true still

[ashen spindle]

I mean that question is like asking if a horse can explode like a car battery can

[crisp granite]

yes

[proud nacelle]

you have to remember that i'm not that smart ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen spindle]

im just saying in terms of efficency and speed etc.

[crisp granite]

pack the horse's chest cavity with dynamite

boom

[proud nacelle]

soon enough, we'll be using vacuum tubes to remain secure or something ridiculous

hell if anything i'm more worried for the governments and enterprises

[crisp granite]

the future looks retro futuristic

yay

[proud nacelle]

gl even playing space war on them

[crisp granite]

it can surely run pong

good enough for me

[proud nacelle]

i think there's also relay based computers

[ashen spindle]

yeah then you just put a camera in the room and ignore everything they do on the hardware

[proud nacelle]

there's also TTL (aka no microprocessor) ones

wym?

[ashen spindle]

dont need to break a secure pc if you can just exploit the human interface

[proud nacelle]

true, but i mean do they even need to exploit the human interface? why not just exploit the human (social engineering)

i mean they might not even need to if neurolinks or whatever become true...

[ashen spindle]

well yeah, its what I meant, not necessarily the actual "interface" as in a monitor

but the human interfacing with it in some way

[proud nacelle]

ah, my bad

i should probably go rest so i stop saying rarted stuff

or misinterpret everything

https://tenor.com/view/exhausted-sleep-haggard-gif-8501838

i'm gonna go for now, was nice talkin to y'all

[ashen spindle]

same, time to sleep, wake up, make popcorn, watch epyc demolish intel

[proud nacelle]

that is also a very good idea

[ashen spindle]

zen3 epyc release some time tomorrow

idk time but probably late night eu time as usual

o, 4pm apparently

[proud nacelle]

[cries in timezones]

[ashen spindle]

nono, 4pm eu time

[proud nacelle]

cet?

[ashen spindle]

11am eastern, so usually 6 hours later but bc different starts of summer time its just 5 hour difference

[proud nacelle]

this cannot be right... it would be at 5pm for me

whatever

at least it's a time i can see it at

[ashen spindle]

yea usually that would mean 5pm for germany timezone

but 4pm bc daylight saving is not starting at the same day worldwide

[proud nacelle]

ah that's right

i should prob set the clock to the correct hour now, thanks for reminding me

aight, gn for real this time. i'm about to fall out of my chair

[chrome estuary]

I hate that daylights savings time came back around or whatever

I feel like I lost an hour today

[crisp granite]

I lost an hour figuring out I just gained one

the sun doesn't work like that

it doesn't just chill in the sky an hour longer

[empty wren]

Daylight savings is quite dumb anyways, yeah clocks can automatically convert it, but I lost an hour and now my body will have to adapt.

i do go outside that is not the issue.

The issue the clocks get converted and then everything shifts.

nah i mean i get annoyed by having to get up earlier

because the time says so

Well good to hear, and gaining an hour of sun is nice. I am personally annoyed with how the clocks are forced to shift not the biological or nature clock.

well i may end up doing that eventually

fair enough

do you go the park and feed ducks?

oh you are a farmer or breeder sort of.

for a second i imagined the old guy from up

Interesting, strange name though.

[vast moss]

Is it just me, or is something amiss here?

Actually a lot of things

[astral haven]

yes, you arent using hwinfo64

but the long story short is you dont have multiple ccds so ccd 2 and higher is just garbage data

[reef tundra]

Plot(time)

[vast moss]

What is a CCD anyway?

cool, guess I'll have to take a look
also, would it appease you if I downloaded hwinfo?

Oh, looks like I already have it installed. Guess I'm used to OHM though

I'll look into it then

[astral haven]

nah it works perfectly normally without logging

only useful temperatures are max and current 🤷‍♂️

[vast moss]

I'm mostly just interested in temp and usage, and I like how Open Hardware Monitor makes it easy to collapse sections I don't need to look at

[astral haven]

hwinfo doesnt make it as convenient but you can get rid of stuff

and it is alot more accurate

[analog aspen]

Shaved ~10ns from XMP by manual OC-ing. Everything I did was learned from @astral haven @zenith sonnet and @edgy hull . Thank you guys 😛

[astral haven]

neato
now use aida64

[analog aspen]

I ain't paying

[vast moss]

Pretty cool

[analog aspen]

:[

[astral haven]

free version works just fine

[analog aspen]

its 30 days trial right

[astral haven]

trial to see all the data

but you can still see latency and read bandwidth when trial is done

[analog aspen]

if there's free version i'll use that for the sake for uniform benchmark with everybody else

the extreme one right?

[old marlin]

just seen that the memory in the new XPS clocks at over 4000mhz stock

[astral haven]

lpddr

not normal memory

[analog aspen]

mine can't stable past 3600mhz. I blame my 9900k IC

what can't of bdie can't stable past 3600 uwu]

[astral haven]

id bet that full manual you could easily hit 4k

and lpddr isnt comparable to regular ddr

my phone has lpddr 5600 iirc

ooh its 6400

[old marlin]

ah

yea nvm then

[astral haven]

very slow too
100+ns latency at best

[analog aspen]

In a perfect world when mobile is nearly as fast as PC. What would it be used for

[old marlin]

in a perfect world, memory like that would not exist

but this is not a perfect world

[reef tundra]

Rip the battery life

[analog aspen]

I don’t think it’ll be realistic

Do people really need at 20ns memory

[old marlin]

depends on what they do

[analog aspen]

I’m trying to think what do they do that needs 20ns memory

[reef tundra]

quantum mechanics simulation models on the apple iphone 4

[old marlin]

that is like saying "do people need 200GB ram"

[analog aspen]

Hacking?

[analog aspen]

No like I’m legit thinking for a sound reason

[astral haven]

memory speed directly equals computational performance sometimes

[old marlin]

^

[reef tundra]

But then again, do you even need that extra performance?

[old marlin]

longer access times = everything is slower

effectively

imo current phones are fast enough but obv as time goes on demands get higher

[reef tundra]

Skip the ram and work exclusively with cashe

[astral haven]

also memory latency is literally 1 time cost

you only need to design for it

theres no added power consumption or cost to produce

[reef tundra]

how much/long is 1 time?

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ doesnt matter

[reef tundra]

Then I cant make sense what you mean by that statement

[astral haven]

it costs "time designing" once
you dont need to pay again for the design, where bandwidth costs more die area and pcb area with every device

[analog aspen]

Uh Aida benchmark latency is 38ns

No idea how to use it

[astral haven]

thats your actual ns

congrats

[analog aspen]

How do you get like a table report like Xenoa

[astral haven]

table report?

[analog aspen]

#🔌│tech message

Like this

I noticed his read write is like double mine. While my latency is lower even back when using XMP

We use the same kit

Is it because Intel vs Ryzen?

[astral haven]

tools dropdown > memory

[analog aspen]

Ah nvm I guess Aida is just really that different from memmaxx

This is why you have to uniform tests

[astral haven]

yup

this is my sadness 😦

[analog aspen]

so different vs maxxmem

[astral haven]

thats really good stuff wow

[analog aspen]

buy bdie. With your knowledge I'm sure you'll get sub 20ns

I'm just a shitty OC-er

[astral haven]

sub 20 isnt possible

and i dont actually know that much im just regurgitating what was said to me

im very confident your bdie can do over 4k

[fickle ore]

btw if you guys compare to ryzen results, the 5000 series gets a new agesa update in 1.2.0.1 that boosts the L3 reading from 300-400 gb/s to 1000 gb/s. It's currently showing wrong info.

[analog aspen]

damn you shitty IC

[reef tundra]

Fake news

[astral haven]

5000 cant do 1t/s on l3

at least not the 5800x

[reef tundra]

Not with that attitude

[astral haven]

aint about attitude, hardware has its limits

till we break the 2500 barrier 1t per ccd aint possible

[analog aspen]

I love that quote every time somebody say it at the right moment

[fickle ore]

before

[reef tundra]

Atleast someone got the memo

[fickle ore]

after

[astral haven]

thats 500gb/s per ccd

[reef tundra]

See, he had the right attitude and has the numbers on the picture

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ odd that it was glitching out that much

happens tho, this stuff is all haaaard to measure

sadly the best tool we have is only really accurate on intel 😦

thats why we use aida64
its not the best but it works with as much as possible

[reef tundra]

Blaming the hardware huh? https://youtu.be/QPCZF_0vGVk

[astral haven]

aida64 isnt hardware 😛

[reef tundra]

Intel the software company

[astral haven]

well yea?

[analog aspen]

Now is the dire part: GPU. What benchmark do you suggest?

[astral haven]

it is an intel peice of software

firestrike

[old marlin]

benchmark or just something to hit it with?

[astral haven]

free version exists

[analog aspen]

For OC

[old marlin]

like if you wanna see perf in numbers firestrike

otherwise I use furmark myself

[astral haven]

benchmark because you need to watch perf numbers for 10 series and later oc

[analog aspen]

And just so you know I’m absolute clueless when it comes to OC

[astral haven]

furmark does work actually but you gotta be careful

[old marlin]

ye

[analog aspen]

Carmonben basically had to hold my hand

[astral haven]

because furmark stability is actually alot easier than real game stability

firestrike also can run when wildly unstable

[reef tundra]

Dont blowtorch your CPU, it worsens the termal performance

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen if you're playing fps games with competitive settings you most likely won't benefit from gpu overclock, and it will worsen your fps as you create a bigger heat-issue inside your case. At high fps you're just fully cpu bottlenecked, nearly always.

[astral haven]

yea thats just not true

[reef tundra]

Dwarf fortress doesnt care for your multicore shennanigans

[fickle ore]

my 5800x is hard bottlenecking my gtx 1060

it's like twice slower

[old marlin]

if you gpu power is not needed it won't output as muhc heat

also should barely affect CPU temps

[astral haven]

overclocking your gpu will increase your speed

as long as you make sure its stable

[old marlin]

well if you play csgo at like 500 fps

you won't be gpu limited

but even if your gpu dumps 300W of heat in your case you CPU should not really care

[analog aspen]

I just want stable 240fps in League but it’s still impossible atm 🥲

[old marlin]

besides maybe a bit higher temps

[astral haven]

cpu limited doesnt mean the gpu wont benefit from being faster

[reef tundra]

But if the cpu is not feeding it the instructions fast enough it just waits around, asuming no other programs are running

[fickle ore]

Valorant: 5800x can do 900 fps and gtx 1060 could do 1700 fps give or take but limited by 5800x.

[old marlin]

are you GPU limited in lol?

[astral haven]

see above

[analog aspen]

Nope. LoL is CPU bound because it can only use 2 cores

001275.384| ALWAYS| =================== Perf Stats (all in ms) =========================
001275.384| ALWAYS| Average Frame Time: 4.18
001275.384| ALWAYS| Average FPS: 238.98 fps
001275.384| ALWAYS| StdDev Frame Time: 0.33
001275.384| ALWAYS| Max Frame Time: 39.50
001275.384| ALWAYS| Ave GPU Frame Time: 0.65
001275.384| ALWAYS| StdDev GPU Frame Time: 0.30
001275.384| ALWAYS| Max GPU Frame Time: 96.23
001275.384| ALWAYS| Histogram Buckets: [0.0,1.0,2.0,5.0,7.5,10.0,18.0,35.0,50.0,75.0,100.0,500.0,1000.0,340282346638528859811704183484516925440.0]
001275.384| ALWAYS| Frame Time Histogram: [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0]
001275.384| ALWAYS| GPU Time Histogram: [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0]
001275.384| ALWAYS| Max Memory Allocated = 740.367MB
001275.486| ALWAYS| FLOW| Cleanup Complete

this comes from the log Riot collects from my very last ARAM game

[astral haven]

max gpu frametime is greater than your max cpu frametime

sooo

[fickle ore]

that doesnt really mean anything

[analog aspen]

result is always better in ARAM than Summoner's Rift because smaller map and less minions rendered

[reef tundra]

The GPU can go as fast as it wants, if no instruction comes from cpu then no nothing gets done

[fickle ore]

avg frametime for the cpu 4.18ms i.e 240 fps, avg frametime for the gpu 0.65ms i.e 1700 fps..

[astral haven]

yea but 5.4ghz 9900k + speedy asf ram is best case scenario for the cpu

[fickle ore]

benefit is like 1-5% if you overclock your gpu

you go from 0.65ms to 0.63ms

[analog aspen]

001088.814| ALWAYS| =================== Perf Stats (all in ms) =========================
001088.814| ALWAYS| Average Frame Time: 4.23
001088.814| ALWAYS| Average FPS: 236.66 fps
001088.814| ALWAYS| StdDev Frame Time: 8.00
001088.814| ALWAYS| Max Frame Time: 3728.55
001088.814| ALWAYS| Ave GPU Frame Time: 0.25
001088.814| ALWAYS| StdDev GPU Frame Time: 7.35
001088.814| ALWAYS| Max GPU Frame Time: 3428.04
001088.815| ALWAYS| Histogram Buckets: [0.0,1.0,2.0,5.0,7.5,10.0,18.0,35.0,50.0,75.0,100.0,500.0,1000.0,340282346638528859811704183484516925440.0]

[fickle ore]

ggs wp

[analog aspen]

this is SR

[astral haven]

1-5% is 1-5%

[reef tundra]

How much more power does it need and thermal load gets added?

[astral haven]

in theory none since we dont have voltage control and the same amount of work is being done

[analog aspen]

I doubt LoL would ever add heat to my system. COD might tho. But rn I don't even have the time for anything but LoL

[fickle ore]

It adds more, because it needs higher current/voltage due to higher frequency, evne if the work amount is same, the work is done quicker so ehh you add what, 10-60mV?

[analog aspen]

okay so say if voltage and heat isn't an issue

[astral haven]

voltage wont get added because its 20 series

[analog aspen]

xD because it doesn't in this case

then does OC-ing GPU do anything for CPU-bound game

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen not really.

[astral haven]

there is literally no downside to a stable gpu overclock under any scenario on 10 series and newer gpus

[fickle ore]

What helps more is turn "max performance on" in nvidia driver settings

[analog aspen]

also I have no idea how to read those logs about frame time xd

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen 001088.814| ALWAYS| Ave GPU Frame Time: 0.25

convert to fps

4000 fps

gpu could give you 4000 fps if it werent bottlenecked

[astral haven]

yea thats wrong

[analog aspen]

that i did... also I did the MSI mode tweak and Lasso the other day and got a huge latency bump. Pinged you about it don't know if you knew

the difference is as noticable as going from 144Hz to 240Hz

yes I can tell

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen missed that 😮

[analog aspen]

I can tell the latency when I turn on Dyac as well

OC-ing is pretty much corner case but why not Carmonben is really good at it and I feel like it's fun

[fickle ore]

Yeah I wuldn't know anything about GPU overclocking, so I would trust him 100%

[astral haven]

id recommend you go to the oc discord because there are actual experts there

[analog aspen]

they haven't even given me access idk why xd

[astral haven]

wut

[analog aspen]

meh f them i'll just OC over here when you're around

[astral haven]

you just hit the reaction twice on the message

this

[analog aspen]

ooo twice

I hit once

xd

[fickle ore]

Ive always been annoyed that my gpu OC won't remain after reboot so I don't do it. And that stupid afterburner hits cpu hard with the logging software

Maybe one day it's less annoying

[astral haven]

on nvidia the gpu oc stays?

[analog aspen]

apparently it cause problems with overlays as well

so I held it off until now

that I OC'd everything but GPU

[fickle ore]

Not sure, didnt stay on my gtx 780, havent tried since lol

[analog aspen]

might as well try

:)

[fickle ore]

lmk if you get it permanent

[astral haven]

ah, its a feature of newer drivers

[analog aspen]

it won't only when I turn on MSI Burner

btw if you press the run with Windows button it should run at startup

and woah la permanent

don't quote me

[fickle ore]

does it stay if u exit the program?

😄

[old marlin]

should start in background

[astral haven]

its supposed to

[analog aspen]

I'm still experimenting, like uninstalling RTSS

maybe RTSS is the problem not MSI Afterburner

[fickle ore]

Not running any program on background for me is more important than slight gpu OC with the program open, but if that is fixed i'd be happy camper

so yea lmk, gtg now work

[analog aspen]

you and Pronin is a pair

[astral haven]

yea after closing precisionx1 my oc stays

[old marlin]

?

[astral haven]

my fans go crazy tho

[analog aspen]

remember when you posted the onboard memory chad meme

[old marlin]

ah

well

[reef tundra]

You may now kiss

[old marlin]

having mouse software running

just to set a dpi level

is absolutely ridiculous

[analog aspen]

B-BUT THE PROFILE SWITCH THO

[old marlin]

why tf would I swap profiles

I don't even swap dpi

which OMM can do

[astral haven]

my mouse can switch profiles without software...

[old marlin]

what mouse do you use?

[analog aspen]

cause turn off RGB when seriously gaming, and different keybinds because stupid LoL game devs doesn't let you map anything to your scroll up&down

[old marlin]

ik roccat can do it

and some razer mice can

[old marlin]

just turn off rgb 24/7 then

[astral haven]

i use a g pro

[analog aspen]

no wayyyyyy

[old marlin]

ah

[analog aspen]

I'm in for the RGBBBB

[old marlin]

LGS allows you to do it

g hub does not

new g pros NEED g hub

or OMM

[fickle ore]

serious gamer cuts RGB from the mouse pcb to save weight ;)))

[astral haven]

doesnt allow you to do what?

[old marlin]

nope

[astral haven]

i can program my profiles and switch them no problem

[old marlin]

does not even allow you to save dpi to a mouse

because

[astral haven]

yes it does?

[analog aspen]

G Hub doesn't even run on my computer. Oof now I don't need to think about buying G Pro X ultralight anymore

[old marlin]

nah

OMM allows you to

[reef tundra]

RGBW

[astral haven]

yamato

[old marlin]

that is the reason why it exists

[astral haven]

i use g hub

and use it to store dpi on my mouse

[analog aspen]

if I install g hub it'd just stuck at the loading icon

[old marlin]

it doesn't save anything though

[analog aspen]

did every fix I can find online

[astral haven]

yes yamato it does

[old marlin]

common problem

[analog aspen]

no fix fixed

[old marlin]

fix is reinstalling

if that does not work it won't ever work

[analog aspen]

reinstalling didn't fix

[old marlin]

good software

[analog aspen]

reinstalling Windows also didn't fix

[old marlin]

lol

[analog aspen]

I legit tried it partly because my previous OC attempt fucked windows up

[analog aspen]

it wasn't as methodical and safe as this attempt because Carmonben wasn't around and I was an impatient frick

[astral haven]

works without issue for me its just annoying

[fickle ore]

also atompalm Q2

[astral haven]

but its 1 time setup

[analog aspen]

bro its Q2 now

[fickle ore]

yee 😦

[analog aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFRxFCShsQw

reminds me of this guy

next time frame is Q4 keep waiting

[analog aspen]

now that I found out what you said about shape doesn't need to snuggly fit. I want that Razer 8k and Pro X superlight even more grrrrrrr

[old marlin]

I know few people whic hthat worked for

best g hub could do was show what I had saved on my mouse

[astral haven]

you have to click on the slot and select the profile to save to it first

[old marlin]

but not change those

OMM did not release because logitech thought it was funny

[astral haven]

it does really annoy me that my lgs profiles were lost

but once i got set up again its been left unrun until today

[zenith sonnet]

The thing is, you cannot really adapt. I will now have to get up at 3:30 all Summer for early shifts, and noon at my place is around 13:40-13:40 ...

I actually lose an hour of sunlight in the morning I could really use

[analog aspen]

@old marlin the Furmark benchmark doesn’t make any sense =_=

[old marlin]

?

[analog aspen]

The score fluctuates between clocks

So I don’t know if it’s stable? If it’s actually resulting in performance gain

[old marlin]

yea you aren't really supposed to get a score

it is just a stress test

stability should be tested with some games and/or a firestrike run

imo

furmark can give you a general idea what your card would do though

[analog aspen]

Eh fine I’ll download steamware

[analog aspen]

Wdym

[zenith sonnet]

W3 is a good choice

[analog aspen]

W3?

I absolutely despite steam for some reason

Uhhhh

[zenith sonnet]

Use GOG?

[old marlin]

you can OC your card and test if it is at least somewhat stable really quickly with it

with furmark

since it takes a second to open and close a stress test

you should fin a spot where furmark runs stable but going higher crashes

and then go down from there with a more traditional benchmark or game

like W3 or firestrike

[analog aspen]

Stable = how long

[old marlin]

nah

if it isn't stable furmark tends to either crash or run fine

not work fine for a while and then crash

[analog aspen]

Ahhh kk

Good to know

Thanks Pronin

[analog aspen]

slaps yo butt cheek stop throwing abbreviations around

I’m too noob to understand :<

[old marlin]

it is literally called GOG now

https://www.gog.com/

[analog aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-omg-surprised-scared-kid-gif-10714204

[analog aspen]

Okay I take it back you can slap my buttcheek then we even

[zenith sonnet]

Lemme get the paddle

[analog aspen]

not the paddle

[zenith sonnet]

@old marlin @ashen spindle @halcyon moss
Does anyone know how the Widerrufrecht works when you ordered an item, but the merchant already exchanged it once because the first delivery was defective?
Does the timer still count from the first delivery?

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/IHR6hUVCpsQ
I love this wallpaper :O subtle and animated

[old marlin]

unsure

[halcyon moss]

unsure

never was in that sutiation fortunately

[cursive summit]

Sadly Milan doesn't come with any core count increases, so it'll be the next gen Genoa with 96 cores then

[ashen spindle]

that has been public info for many months

[cursive summit]

Thanks Anakin, we couldn't do without you

[old marlin]

do we know if they do more than 1 dimm per channel though?

[ashen spindle]

that was direcyed at no core count increase

but no, there shouldn't be a dpc change either, as it's same socket and all

[old marlin]

but you get increased channel count

no?

[crisp granite]

that isn't bad, considering we have 64 cores for less than $6k rn

[ashen spindle]

I thought we had 8 channel with first gen epyc already? idk

[old marlin]

no?

they did 4 channel

[ashen spindle]

apart from pce3->4 with rome I dont think SP3 changed much at all

[old marlin]

but then 2 dimm per channel, as it has been usual for a while

iirc

[ashen spindle]

yeah idk really, only really keep track of server market to say "haha intel lost" really

[old marlin]

lol

[proper crystal]

EPYC is 8 channel.

[old marlin]

ah wait

thought about new TR cpus

that do 8 channel now

[ashen spindle]

ahh

[proper crystal]

There are some configs where they do recommend 4 channels because of sub-NUMA.
Threadripper does 4 channels, Threadripper Pro does 8 channels.

[old marlin]

only the new WX ones though?

[proper crystal]

Threadripper Pro is a new thing.

[old marlin]

wait

so they are called Pro AND WX now?

cause WX is not that new

[proper crystal]

WX is suffix, Threadripper Pro is the name for the range of 8 channel memory enabled Threadrippers.

[old marlin]

ah ok

[proper crystal]

Generally WX was stuff targeted at visual effects, animation and 3D graphics people.

And those 8 channel parts are just that, since the original 64 core Threadripper gets "choked" by lack of mem bandwidth in those workloads.

But Threadripper Pro was a thing in prebuild workstations since half a year ago, it's just general availability that's new now.

[wheat plume]

holy shit its so loud

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume welcome to 2005

[halcyon moss]

woah, burning an audio cd

[pale sigil]

"The RMA-team notified that they are short with the PSUs." explains that

[ashen spindle]

every place is short on psus lmao

[pale sigil]

Didn't think it was that bad

[fickle ore]

Igor's lab testing on the subject https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/m5fy2f/nvidia_and_directx_12_bottleneck_msi_geforce_rtx/

[ashen spindle]

links to reddit thread that is a link to the site

...

just link it directly lmao

[pale sigil]

I swear to god I was thinking about this last night

I've been having issues with dx12

[crimson wigeon]

Nah gotta expose you to leddit

[ashen spindle]

you have a 5600x this is not what is causing your issues

[fickle ore]

I'd rather link the relevant conversation, if you have against reddit just google igor urself 😛

[ashen spindle]

plus it would just be lower fps, not any "issues"

reddit is no relevant discussion it's just mindless circlejerking

[fickle ore]

according to you

[ashen spindle]

only worse place for discussion is youtube comment section imo

[fickle ore]

There are knowledgeable people in there, I like to read their comments.. ymmv

Hahaha that 5700 xt beating 3060Ti lmao

[old marlin]

wtf

ah

bottleneck>

[fickle ore]

yeah nvidia driver cause cpu bottleneck on core0

[ashen spindle]

yeh at sub 1080p

[fickle ore]

Eh, no

[ashen spindle]

..yes?

[fickle ore]

you're stuck thinking pixels when all that matters is the load on the gpu/cpu and what fps you're pushing

do you think the bottleneck wouldn't show at lowest possible setting at 300+ fps @ 1080p

[ashen spindle]

uhh, sure, and that happens where?

[fickle ore]

He's benching ULTRA settings on that so he needs 720p BEFORE the cpu becomes the bottleneck instead of graphics, in those relatively new titles. If he benched low settings, the cpu would become capped much faster, i.e at 1440p/1080p

[ashen spindle]

look if you play HZD at low settings to get that 200+ fps, sure, I just don't think it makes any sense

[fickle ore]

When CPU bottleneck happens -> radeon takes the lead given relatively close hardware performance and given multithreaded rendering

Right

[ashen spindle]

like, yeah it seems the at the time good idea to not have a hardware scheduler now has times where it makes amd's solution better

but like, winning at sub 1080p for that to happen really doesn't matter to me

I assume HUB will make a follow up with different variants so we can see practical use cases where it matters

[fickle ore]

Yeah this becomes general gaming vs esport gaming vs user specific needs

I'm interested in a couple years about 4k reso and lowest setting where the bottleneck lies, but I do care about the fps so I'll get AMD most likely unless they far too much behind

[ashen spindle]

big brain move-> intel predicted this and alder laker small cores are optimal for putting that load there so it won't happen

[fickle ore]

lol good idea

You could alternatively maybe move the nvidia driver to another thread/core, or the game itself. But yeah requires a bit of tinkering

that's until games start to use every core

[ashen spindle]

could actually be a thing if intel gpu works similar to nvidia in that area

and then it could happen that they planned to make use of that for itnel+ intel boost or so

[fickle ore]

Mmh

WIndows OS scheduler needs a buff

[zenith sonnet]

I always tend to lower graphics settings ingames until I either hit solid 100/120/144 FPS or the CPU bottlenecks

So to me, this applies

I imagine there are plenty people who value FPS/smoothness over graphics/visual fidelity

But at the time, I want a crisp image
So it's usually textures on Ultra, and post processing almost always off

[crimson wigeon]

Yay yet another half baked update

Based on my current dev ring experience it's fuck all except a new potential ad spot in the taskbar

Yeah and it's apparently not any specific version now, instead just whatever's in the master branch or something

No

as if

Yeah I can't wait for all those nice compact individual windows to be blown up into a single massive window, want to keep two different settings things up at the same time? Haha fuck you who needs that

Yes

[fickle ore]

Fuck either my monitor or gpu is giving out

When I come back from afk my monitor only shows vertical lines but as move my mouse for a while eventually after 2-3 minutes it resumes normal image and the vertical lines vanish

hmmh

[pale sigil]

Let's hope it's not GPU

Would be a nightmare to rma a GPU atm

[reef patrol]

[vagrant pagoda]

See if there is a bios update for your gpu

Sounds like the sleep clock is too low or bugged

[wheat plume]

Big Sur bringing controller mapping to keyboard?!

[crisp granite]

MacOS = OS for gamers??????

[wheat plume]

Xd

Oh yeah....

Hmm perhaps

[crisp granite]

I just wish they also made MacOS more open, for hardware support

positioning it as an alternative to windows is better than "the OS bundled with the laptop"

ugh

so, I'll wait until AMD has a decent RT implementation and apple has a reasonably priced product

and tbh it kinda is, when you write it off as a business expense and save stupid amounts of money on it

I would love to try linux

I just don't want to do so yet

because, me dumb

and I want to have a separate linux drive

a lot of it is also done through steam

on directX titles

linux and directX don't mix iirc

pretty much at this point

and before covid, yeah

moreso before covid

just because I used my computer less

at least for me

beforehand, I was a semi functional human being, and could go without my PC for a few weeks

now, she's on more often than not

I see your point

I also know how to deal with window's BS

linux is a whole other beast I don't want to tame yet

but I will later on, when I have the luxury of time and not feeling like life sucks, is pointless and an endless meat grinder

for now, I'll stick with windows

she hasn't lead me astray yet

and I'll be sure to pop onto this channel for linux help when I do try linux

[wheat plume]

Idk what being dumb has to do with it xd I'm dumb and I can Linux

^^

[crisp granite]

I also can't be bothered to try it rn

[wheat plume]

Oof

[crisp granite]

😢

I will later on though

[wheat plume]

Oooo nice

[crisp granite]

and I will invade your PMs asking about how to open the terminal and do other menial shit @wheat plume 🙂

[wheat plume]

:') you press the super key and type terminal

Same as windows

[crisp granite]

oh

bruh

[wheat plume]

:p

Or press one of the two most used keyboard shortcuts

Super + t
Ctrl + shift + t

[crisp granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKdM6MhiSyo

[wheat plume]

It's not funny is it xd

The title is hyping it up too much

[crisp granite]

I can't believe my peabrain couldn't think of that one

thanks lana

I really couldn't have done it without you

[wheat plume]

Linux desktops
Have
An
App
Menu

Ez

And it's 95% of the time activated with super key

Freaking pantheon desktop .-. super opens the keyboard shortcuts window

[crisp granite]

and what distro would you recommend to a semi functional, fairly tech illiterate person?

[wheat plume]

Pantheon is a very pretty desktop though ❤️

[wheat plume]

Manjaro
Or pop os

What it do?

[crisp granite]

I'll check out popOS then

[wheat plume]

Ookk

[crisp granite]

a friend who did comp science in high school hyped it up a lot

[wheat plume]

Ooh
Microsoft have one in powertoys

[crisp granite]

and said it was a "a great way to jump into linux, dick first"

special friends

[wheat plume]

Yeah it's great for newbs

[pale sigil]

the shit people make...

[wheat plume]

Just gnome desktop is far different to windows

But I prefer that workflow

[crisp granite]

I kinda think this one justified though

moreso considering the circumstance that I used it in

[wheat plume]

Memes in tech talk how dare you!

[crisp granite]

my bad

[zenith sonnet]

Did everyone already hear about how Nvidia released a driver that disables the 3060 hashrate limiter?

[wheat plume]

Xd

Use plasma desktop xd

I think xfce does it too

[crisp granite]

wut

welp

[zenith sonnet]

It's out now. Probably "accidently"

[crisp granite]

🙄

whatever happened to "Geforce is for gaming"?

[zenith sonnet]

Since you wouldn't wanna miss out on those sales now, would you?

Also
Didn't Nvidia also claim something about driver+vbios and secure handshakes and stuff?

Guess it's just driver only after all

[crisp granite]

I won't do it again, Lana-sama

don't smite me

[reef tundra]

Smiten

[edgy hull]

@crisp granite Can confirm that B&H has no extra fees for CAN importing

got the 5600x without any extra fees

[crisp granite]

...

mmmm

[reef tundra]

tasty

[crisp granite]

that will be my go-to for new parts then

thanks again @edgy hull

[edgy hull]

or if CAD drastically changes. When USD to CAD dropped to like 1.28 from 1.36 or whatever it was, basically all CAN sellers had crap pricing

for quite a while too

but ye welc

[crisp granite]

❤️

[analog aspen]

@astral haven firestrike CPU test crash my PC. That means OCCT 1 hour small passes didn’t mean jacks.
Now I face the decision 5.3ghz 1.5v or 5.2ghz 1.33v

[astral haven]

Remember avx offset = crashy

[analog aspen]

Oh yeah I have -3

[astral haven]

Occt only tests either with or without the offset

[analog aspen]

But that means firestrike just became a fast unstable CPU detection test

[astral haven]

Firestrike causes the offset to apply which will cause crashes

You really can't use avx offset in a daily system

[analog aspen]

Ooo

[astral haven]

Not with such aggressive overclocks

[red oyster]

5.2 1.33v

I like the number 33

[astral haven]

Yea you aren't fs stable because you aren't stable at 5.3, and you are occt stable cause you are running at 5.0 lel

[analog aspen]

Why not? Also I don’t really understand is my CPU OC is stable or not if it crashes Firestrike?

[analog aspen]

Oooo

[analog aspen]

Good morning/afternoon/evening

[red oyster]

[analog aspen]

I’m bringing the Voltage down from 1.5v. It’s working at 1.47v, bringing further down

The cool thing is either it crashes or it doesn’t

[red oyster]

50/50

[astral haven]

Uh

So first of all careful with those voltages

Cause if it's actually giving you 1.5 your cpu will instantly die if all 8 cores are active at 5ghz

[analog aspen]

9900k is Intel listed to be safe at 1.52v but I don’t wanna be that alpha

[astral haven]

No?

That is the maximum that intel allows people to manually set with vid

Lel

Not safe at all

Degradation is decided by voltage and the speed of degradation is current

At 1 amp you can do 1.6v easy

At 200a 1.5v is instant death

[red oyster]

fatality!

[astral haven]

Thanks to physics, supplying 1.5v gives you a voltage at the cpu alot lower than that

Which you can check with hwinfo64

I have it set to 1.375v but at load I get ~1.25

[analog aspen]

Hmmm kk

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-says-the-9900k-vcore-limit-is-1-52v.261551/

Also that’s where I got 1.52v from

[reef tundra]

internal resistance is the culprit for the output voltage being lower than supply voltage

[astral haven]

thats a limitation of the protocol intel uses to control the voltage regulators lmao

[analog aspen]

How is that guy netting 5.3ghz at such low voltage tho

[astral haven]

its not stable simple as that lel

also

theres this thing called loadline that tries to cheat physics by providing even more voltage

[reef tundra]

DC bias?

[astral haven]

its smarter than just that but basically yea

it knows the current through the mossfets so it increases the dc bias depending on the current flow

on my 6400 that i blew up i had set 1.45v but with extreme loadline which caused ~1.6v to go into it at full load which caused a minor snap noise lel

[reef tundra]

Once you cross that breakdown voltage the current rises exponentially to the voltage rise

atleast in semiconductors

[analog aspen]

SHIT I JUST HEARD A SNAP

[red oyster]

click

[reef tundra]

Bruh

[analog aspen]

Okay how to know if it blew up

🥲

[reef tundra]

Boot it and see

[analog aspen]

Kk

Moment of truth

[astral haven]

yikes?

[red oyster]

it'll be fine

Probably

[reef tundra]

Dont have an current limited power supply hooked up?

[analog aspen]

Okay thanks bunny god

Still works

But the snap was hella loud

[reef tundra]

Just some angry pixies wanting to vent the magic smoke

[astral haven]

panda the problem is "enough current to kill a cpu" is 400w
and "required current for a gpu to function properly" is also 400w

usually the snap is caused by all of the capacitors on the chip shorting to ground

[red oyster]

reminds me yesterday I played a minecraft mod pack and it only used like 25% of my cpu and gpu

Low fps cause it just doesn't wanna

[astral haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUaP0r5-xhY
panda this is an interesting video

[analog aspen]

I set that to auto

Used to set that to .01 in 7700k

[astral haven]

asus auto volts
yikes

id set llc 2 or 3 at the highest

it defaulted to 5 for me

which was like 1.35v on 1.375v

[analog aspen]

I don’t think we’re talking about the same one then

[astral haven]

at least asus doesnt have any options where it goes over bios set voltage

[analog aspen]

I’ll pull bios up in a sec

Anyway to check load W with CPUz

I don’t wanna download more bloats ;-;

[astral haven]

pro tip get hwinfo64

and look at vcore

vcore is important

[analog aspen]

Fineee

Fun stuff is after I’m done with OC I can enjoy purging 10+ bloatwares

[astral haven]

hwinfo64 is nice

you can get numbers in taskbar if you want them

[reef tundra]

7.5 digit multimeters are nice too

[analog aspen]

Okay so if I understood correctly,
Firestrike doesn’t apply AVX and is benching my CPU at true 5.3ghz
OCCT applies AVX and is stressing my CPU at 5.0ghz

[astral haven]

sorta

[analog aspen]

If I play a video game then what clock it’s at

[astral haven]

occt part is correct

but what firestrike does is it starts without avx then activates avx

which causes an avx offset to happen

tldr you are running avx at 5.3ghz for a few cycles

[analog aspen]

Well I only run the CPU bench specifically

Cause that’s what causing the crash

[astral haven]

and?

[analog aspen]

Graphic tests are fine

[analog aspen]

It’s literally only running one cycle

[astral haven]

no

as in processor cycles

as in the thing that there are 5.3 billion of in a second

[analog aspen]

So you mean I should just turn off AVX?

And it’ll stable?

[astral haven]

you cant

[analog aspen]

Set to 0 I meant

[astral haven]

disable your avx offset and find a stable clock at that

yes

[reef tundra]

That is some high clockrate

[astral haven]

yes

[reef tundra]

too high

[astral haven]

eh

definetly doable tho

[reef tundra]

It is very close to the cooling ability of most setups

[analog aspen]

Well I got it to stable at 5.3ghz 1.47v 43x core

[astral haven]

you can do 5.6ghz on air on 1 core 🤷‍♂️

no you didnt

[analog aspen]

Mhmmmm

It’s no longer crashing now

AVX still -3 tho

[astral haven]

it will crash 🤷‍♂️

[reef tundra]

Remove PSU and it will never crash

[analog aspen]

Fineeee I’ll turn AVX to 0

[analog aspen]

Also this question

Should be 5.3ghz even when AVX -3 right

[reef tundra]

That is load dependant

[astral haven]

avx offset causes instability if you arent a vid wizard

and i am not gonna touch vid magic with a 10 foot pole and you shouldnt either

[reef tundra]

Stop silicon abuse with 10 foot poles

[astral haven]

i said im not gonna touch it

[analog aspen]

What’s a vid wizard

[astral haven]

also its software magic

[reef tundra]

So it is a magnet?

[astral haven]

vid is how intel makes voltages happen
and through blackmagic and sorcery you can trick it into making your unstable overclocks stable (to some extent)
dont ask me how i dont know ✝️

magnet?

[analog aspen]

Okay so my “IA AC/DC Load Line” in BIOS is set to Auto. I used to set it to .01 in my 7700k

[reef tundra]

anything magical with hardware will involve magnets somewhere

[analog aspen]

“CPU Load-line Calibration” is level 7

[astral haven]

thats it

WHAT

7????

uh

[analog aspen]

Yup

[reef tundra]

That is a number

[astral haven]

does your cpu smell burnt?

[reef tundra]

6 ate 9

[analog aspen]

That’s from the guide I read

[reef patrol]

[astral haven]

yea thatll get you stable for sure

so 1.5v on llc 7 means you are feeding about 1.45v into the cpu

thats not instant death....

but its definetly not healthy

level 8 = 1.5v

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/heat-computer-cooking-with-style-wtf-computer-chip-gif-17012327

[red oyster]

MORE POWER

[reef tundra]

Add a touch of olive oil

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-more-not-enough-kyl-star-wars-gif-12339178

[reef tundra]

Level up?

level good, high number better. Caveman thinks

[astral haven]

higher number definetly gives more voltage

and if you like your volts sure go ahead

[reef tundra]

So the bacon will be made faster?

good

[astral haven]

well no

[analog aspen]

Found it

I used this guy as a guide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=bM5XO96b4G0

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ that will allow you to get the highest benchmark scores

but like

i prefer my cpus to live?

https://youtu.be/bUaP0r5-xhY
you might want to watch this video

and this one too https://youtu.be/xkeR1Z62wi8

[analog aspen]

K I downed it to level 4. Also 5.2ghz 1.33v

-0 AVX

[astral haven]

id personally go for level 3 or even 2

but level 4 shouldnt be actively dangerous?

[reef tundra]

Id go with the dont touch anything approach

[analog aspen]

Just get it stable first for now

[astral haven]

for overclocking you gotta touch stuff

[analog aspen]

I still wanna try OC my GPU

This is taking time away from the main dish

[astral haven]

just set 5.0 allcore no avx offset 1.4v llc 2

its nearly guaranteed to be stable

[analog aspen]

Oh it will

[astral haven]

well its definetly not 100% especially in avx

i had to tune settings alot to get it stable on my system

[analog aspen]

downloaded hwinfo64

[astral haven]

Look for vcore

[analog aspen]

Yeah my vcore stays below what I write down in the bios

I educated myself on LLC with your links and now I worry that hwinfo64 even low ball what is actually happening on the back of the mobo

Gonna stick with ~1.3xV now pretty safe than sorry

[fickle ore]

Is this a good price? https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/166201/tuf-gaming-vg259qm-asmo20/asus-24-5-tuf-gaming-vg259qm-280hz-oc-full-hd-pelimonitori-musta-tarjous-norm-379-90

seems like awesome price unless I've misunderstood smth

[ashen spindle]

looks like a 50$ off deal so yea

granted I cant read if the site says there is any catch on the deal

[fickle ore]

no catch apparently

[pale sigil]

Don't do it

1080p is the part

Past

[fickle ore]

you assume too much from my gtx 1060

[ashen spindle]

you aint getting 280hz on 1440p in anything anytime soon

[fickle ore]

isn't that possible on newest hdmi/dp?

[pale sigil]

1440p/144hz is all you need

[ashen spindle]

no I mean in term of games

[fickle ore]

https://blurbusters.com/lg-launches-first-hdmi-2-1-monitor-in-the-27gp950-capable-of-3840x2160-at-160-hz/

[ashen spindle]

you get it in csgo but one would use csgo at 1080p anyway for even more frames lmao

but what gpu is able to get 280hz above 1080p on any non esport game

[fickle ore]

yeah ik

[misty saffron]

200 fps is more than enough in csgo

[old marlin]

[fickle ore]

I don't know how demanding 1440p is at low/med settings?

Planning to get 6700 xt anyway

[old marlin]

in games like cs there is basically no "enough" for monitor refresh rate and fps

[pale sigil]

It's pretty much fact there isn't that much of an advantage over 144hz

So why bother

[ashen spindle]

false

[fickle ore]

this is BDO/valheim monitor

[pale sigil]

Stop playing bdo

[misty saffron]

200 fps is when we’re talking about the engine

[fickle ore]

@pale sigil Im f2p xD

[old marlin]

the engine is capped at 2000fps

not 200

[misty saffron]

there’s some function that needs to run x times a second for shit to be gucci

i got no clue by now what it is

[misty saffron]

capped, not enough

[fickle ore]

apprently the vg259qm can be oc'd to 307 hz lol

tho Im kinda hesistant if 360hz monitors get cheaper and become available at 300$ this year?

[ashen spindle]

not this year I would guess

[pale sigil]

Bdo is a shitty trap

[old marlin]

bad year for "cheaper"

[pale sigil]

That I sadly wasted 14k hours in

[fickle ore]

I mean what the fuck cost so much on the 360hz? it probably uses the same cable and just slightly faster panel/mcu whatever? Can that add that much really? Or just a premium product atm

[pale sigil]

Because shockers buy them

[reef patrol]

Could be a question of panel issues.

[old marlin]

just slightly faster panel/mcu whatever

[ashen spindle]

[reef patrol]

Just like how it is with CPUs and GPUs. Not every panel can handle the same pressure.

[fickle ore]

Mhmh, idk how hard is to manufacture a high hz panel

going from 240hz might be easy or super hard

[ashen spindle]

if you go from 240 to 360 the response time needs to be about twice as fast

[fickle ore]

you're not wrong but they're not that. None of the current 360hz have response times 100% within the refresh period

they're like at best 50%

[ashen spindle]

then you already answered your own question lol

if it would be easy to do it would already be close to 100%

[fickle ore]

thats why I'm confused because the ASUS 280hz (OC'd 240hz panel) has same pixel refresh rates as the 360hz panels

as to the the price difference

[ashen spindle]

are those tests done from the same reviewer?

[fickle ore]

yeah, rtings and hardwareunboxed/blurbusters, etc. many reviews

[ashen spindle]

well HUB recently changed their methodology for capturing 90% instead of 80% of the transition time for example so can't compare it to older results

so im just making sure you dont see two results that look similar but test differently

[fickle ore]

yeah ik, wasn't it changed from 10-90% to 3-97%?

[ashen spindle]

something like that yea

[fickle ore]

Yeah, apprently the 280hz asus has better motion clarity than the 360hz panels XD..

Ofc slightly higher input lag

[analog aspen]

Just buy it @fickle ore

I feel like you just need a nudge in that direction

[fickle ore]

Ya it was the monitor, it just gave out after 9 years. Heated too much and filled the screen with lines. Same thing happened when it cooled too much. So likely something related to thermal expansions or caps dying. And I just bought it just 1 minute before it died @analog aspen 😄

[analog aspen]

The specs difference nowadays are so nonexistent that as long as you’re happy it’s good

[fickle ore]

Yeah I needed that nudge 😉

[analog aspen]

Also

@frozen anchor has it

So if you want to ask anything

I hope he can give you

[fickle ore]

haha yeah whats the best firmware and OD80 vs OD120? And does ELMB add input lag?

[analog aspen]

You can choose firmwares?

[fickle ore]

No idea but I read you can update it

[analog aspen]

Isn’t there like 1 .inf from manufacture that’s it? And even then your monitor will work either that

It’s nothing like GPU driver so

Monitor driver is just so the name shows correctly

[frozen anchor]

VG259QM is a great monitor if you want high hz

[fickle ore]

Monitors nowadays keep getting firmwares to fix some overdrive or other settings iirc

Ya should arrive this week Kuube

[frozen anchor]

I never updated anything on mine

Doesn't have any issues

But I noticed some reviewers had a slightly different revision of the monitor than I got

For the better ofc

[fickle ore]

Did you get 307hz out of it?

[analog aspen]

I hate this shit when it happens

[frozen anchor]

They just changed the on screen display and added a joystick like thing to it

[analog aspen]

Makes me not want to buy from them until “later revision”. Same product, same price, only better. Then why the f* not wait

[frozen anchor]

Which is a lot better imo

[frozen anchor]

Didn't try to overclock it

Maybe I should

[analog aspen]

You should. You play osu! And CSGO. Those games are frames free real estate

[frozen anchor]

Its just a pain to verify that its not messing up

[analog aspen]

Hit me up if you want guides. I OC’d my old asus to 270hz in the past

[fickle ore]

LOLLLLL i just tried OW on a 60hz tv/monitor that i'm using rn. Literally unplayable my mouse feel like a swamp

[frozen anchor]

Well I'll give it a try in a bit

[analog aspen]

This Zowie monitor is impossible to OC tho. It has the same clock with monitors 10 years ago wtf

[frozen anchor]

I remember trying to overclock my 144hz and only got to 145hz lmao

[analog aspen]

246Hz maximum not even worth it

[fickle ore]

the vg259qm supposedly oc's up to 307hz

[frozen anchor]

Is it a luck thing though like cpus and gpus

[fickle ore]

Probably

[analog aspen]

Yeah I saw lots of headroom when Kuuube posted his clocks

[analog aspen]

It’s less luck in monitor’s case. You can pretty much apply the same clock

[fickle ore]

Kinda excited since my old monitor is Benq xl2411T (first gen 144hz) like 8-9 years old.

[analog aspen]

One of these can OC to 250hz

[fickle ore]

@analog aspen this one oc's to 145hz XD

[native raven]

@frozen anchor lmao, I somehow expected to see you here when joining

[analog aspen]

One of the older one I couldn’t remember it’s name

[frozen anchor]

👀

[analog aspen]

@fickle ore https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=5336

This

[fickle ore]

I vowed in 2013 to myself that 144hz would last me until rolling scan OLED.

[analog aspen]

Yet my XL2546S still stuck at 246Hz max

[fickle ore]

Yeah those are much newer monitors I think

[cursive summit]

Did you mean rolling screen OLED?

[analog aspen]

New = a monitor that released back in 2014

[fickle ore]

@cursive summit Nope. I mean't Rolling Scan

[ashen spindle]

100hz master race 💯

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle my CRT did 100hz in 1997

[ashen spindle]

yeah but was it an ultrawide CRT?

[analog aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-thunder-double-haikyuu-roll-around-funny-nishinoya-yuu-gif-16515191

[fickle ore]

Sony Trinitron something.....

22-24" cant remember

[ashen spindle]

I think my monitor is like 5 years old now and I'd need to pay around the same price I did back then for minor improvements lmao

[analog aspen]

Real talk so you think OLED monitor will ever be a thing

Or it’s gonna stay TV

[fickle ore]

It's already a thing in laptops 😦

[analog aspen]

Burn in?

[fickle ore]

no idea sorry don't have it

[ashen spindle]

oled probably not, but some derivative from it for sure

[crimson wigeon]

Isn't microLED the hype new thing now anyway that is like BETTER THAN OLED WHOA

[analog aspen]

The OLED phones are pretty nice

How come the battery and signal indicator doesn’t get burned in

[crimson wigeon]

It does, at least with the older phones

[analog aspen]

How did they fix it in newer ones

[frozen anchor]

@analog aspen maybe im doing this wrong but i cant even get 285hz overclock

i see someone saying they got 300hz but had to lower the res

[halcyon moss]

lower the res? why would you do that on a tft?!

[frozen anchor]

"max oc at 1080p was just the default 280"

[analog aspen]

The best way to OC monitor is to search for actual timings of the monitor

And just copy paste

Because complicate maths take lots of time to get right

Rule of thumb is you have to watch your max clock

Your monitor won’t work if it exceeds that clock

Your timings and refresh rate affect the clock, ideally try to get as close to the max clock as you can

Also to speed up testing hook up a second monitor if you can

That way you can just cancel unstable clock instead of waiting 15s

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah oleds have burn in

I had a lg oled tv as my main monitor for 3 years

And I flipped it twice

Helps with burn in

Replacing it was a massive jump

[halcyon moss]

flip? as in 180 degree turn upside down?

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes

Makes bios changes really fun

[analog aspen]

https://www.monitortests.com/pixelclock.php

[halcyon moss]

ooh, in the OS. i thought it was a tv feature

[analog aspen]

Use this as timings guideline. Doesn’t guarantee stability tho

[vagrant pagoda]

LCD oc is much easier than CRT

[analog aspen]

https://www.calculator.net/ratio-calculator.html

[vagrant pagoda]

120hz on crts was a balancing act

And sometimes you'd think you had it good

And then some picture layouts would make it lose sync

Though I'm past the fast refresh rate part of my life

Lol

[wheat plume]

tales from tech support :')

[reef patrol]