its a blind hill with a 55 mph limit
#🔌│tech
misty pier
everyone goes zoom
im afraid to pull out my driveway because some reckless dude is speeding up the hill and i dont see them
reef tundra
Dutch Road infrastructure is actually really good, you really notice when you crossed the border into belgium. Germany has the issue of always being under construction
umbral knot
I have a road that is all blind turns back and forth with a 55mph limit but people can't read so the signs actually say ~70mph
crisp granite
Dutch Road infrastructure is actually really good, you really notice when you cr...
sounds like a blessing if you live in zeh nederlands
which I don't
yet
misty pier
im jealous of you folks in smaller countries with better roadways
reef tundra
Oh no, the legendairy doge will come to the glorious kingdom of the 7 provinces
crisp granite
that's legit what I'm on
reef tundra
If you are good in IT
umbral knot
Im jealous of you folks that have people that actually know how to drive rather than swerving to avoid a deer and flip their 2005 silver nissan maxima 5 times and throw a girl 70 feet out the window
throw
reef tundra
that's legit what I'm on
Doctor RP but in reallife
umbral knot
not sure why I said through
misty pier
i actually never hit a deer, even though i've seen plenty cross my road at certain times
crisp granite
I've never seen unprocessed venison on the road
misty pier
i think i can telepathically speak to deer to move out the way or something
crisp granite
I've never driven that far from the city
reef tundra
Boars are more of an issue here
misty pier
i seen skunks, squirrels, and deer get ran over here
crisp granite
here, it's bears, moose and deer
umbral knot
on the way to my school deer corpses will rot on the side of the road for 5-6 months before being removed
crisp granite
on the way to my school deer corpses will rot on the side of the road for 5-6 mo...
lovely
reef tundra
Mooses are those ungodly huge mutated deer right?
misty pier
the skunks are the worse since their corpse stink your entire car if you drive past them, even with the windows closed
its awful
crisp granite
Mooses are those ungodly huge mutated deer right?
they also taste great
reef tundra
the skunks are the worse since their corpse stink your entire car if you drive p...
Do you switch the airco to be closed cycle?
umbral knot
they also taste great
Do they taste any different than deer?
misty pier
we dont usually turn the airco on
reef tundra
they also taste great
Id bet especially with the gamey taste
misty pier
its usually off
umbral knot
I might have to try some
reef tundra
we dont usually turn the airco on
saves 20% of your fuel aswell
umbral knot
I've tried kangaroo which is quite weird
although it was kangaroo jerky so it might be different than fresh kangaroo
umbral knot
I hate the summer because it gets hot and humid where I am
reef tundra
Winters > Summer
misty pier
i dont live in florida so i dont experience that muggy weather
misty pier
or some island or by the coast
umbral knot
I don't live in Florida either I live in Missouri so my weather is like a high school girl and can't make up its mind on whether it's going to be nice or not
reef tundra
or Europe in general
misty pier
i guess europe is never humid?
crisp granite
I miss being in the mojave, when I used to go there to visit family, it was either hot or cold, but always super dry
reef tundra
It has sea climite
misty pier
i don't live there so i don't know
misty pier
thats not bad
reef tundra
High humidity is bad when you also have high temps
Cant sweat or atleast almost nothing
As the sweating cools us down by evaporating the sweat
crisp granite
mhm
reef tundra
but it wont evaporate if it is saturated
crisp granite
best weather is warm (10-20 degrees celcius) and dry AF imo
reef tundra
Dry lips
crisp granite
my lips are always dry, cracking and bleeding
reef tundra
Also static shocks are more common then
umbral knot
same
reef tundra
Around 50% seems to be the best for me
misty pier
i like applying lotion and lip balm
its nice to do that
humidity is not nice to my hair
crisp granite
my area's been having a super dry few days, and I love it
misty pier
i don't want to bother brushing my hair straight
crisp granite
snow is gone, but it's still subzero
misty pier
shit just curls up
crisp granite
shit just curls up
just be like one of my brilliant friends
cut that shit off
saves time and effort
reef tundra
in freedom units?
crisp granite
in freedom units?
YAABAADAABAADOOOOOOOO
reef tundra
That seems to be a reasonable size indeed
misty pier
let me measure my hair
reef tundra
Women measure their hair and men measure their pea
misty pier
its around 45 cm long
reef tundra
That is very long
crisp granite
Women measure their hair and men measure their pea
uh, peas are usually less than a few CM in diameter
and don't tell me you measure every. individual. pea you eat
reef tundra
I only have one pea, between the legs
crisp granite
ah, a shrinkie winkie that is more shrinkie than winkie
I understand
anyway
gn
misty pier
see ya
vagrant pagoda
I just cut almost the much a hair off, fells good
shadow minnow
Cursed
Finally Got nanoleaf light bulbs Pog
But the brightness of not white colors is not that good tbh
vagrant pagoda
Want
red oyster
Stylish
crimson wigeon
Love it
ashen spindle
fickle ore
Im not seeing much difference for L3 unless the reading is bugged like its for Zen 3
fickle ore
Oh you mean the dram access latency?
ashen spindle
yup
fickle ore
Yeah cool, that's what we tweak with DDR4 timings but nice if they got it down via BIOS too
ashen spindle
I mean that was the entire topic of yesterdays discussion here xD
fickle ore
I haven't read it
But I believe it to be more complex than just looking at DRAM access latency. But that could definitely fix some of the regression compared to 10700k
Doubt it'll catch zen 3.
ashen spindle
sure, but that's not the point, with 3 more weeks till release we can only really talk about what we know from early reviews
fickle ore
What was the point? The regression vs 10700k?
ashen spindle
there were known issues with the bioses in regards to latency
so it was to be seen how much that can improve
and how much that in turn improves performance
fickle ore
Ah, so how much it can increase, gotcha
wheat plume
halcyon moss
the fuck is that for a video
wheat plume
skip the intro then xd
hjes showcasing the new changes to the shell
specifically what the super button does now
halcyon moss
that voice synth is way too...
halcyon moss
i dont know the word for it
misty saffron
disgusting
halcyon moss
erotic according to translations of "zwoel" but thats a bit to much towards the sex side
pale sigil
halcyon moss
that one fucking fibre cable under a bridge that was cut so damn many times
Ovh become the cloud
halcyon moss
Twitter
pale sigil
Ye
halcyon moss
i was first, delete yours :p (at least the preview)
reef patrol
Oeuf.
halcyon moss
i already concluded a long time ago that rust was shit
reef patrol
What is a server farm if not a warehouse building with rows upon rows of server racks?
They don't have to look particularly fancy. Just have a substation for power and ample cooling 😄
halcyon moss
dont forget loads of aircon
.. you didnt :p
ive been in few that were several stories
no
its also been a long time since ive been in one.. fucking unfortable noisy places
ashen spindle
Huh looks like we got first hints at alder lake supporting both ddr4 and ddr5
That doesn’t mean the boards will support both :p
Could be that we get boards with either option
wheat plume
O.o phones are going to be charging at laptop speeds soon
misty saffron
i wish companies would actually innovate instead of "xd i charge quick"
ashen spindle
you oversimplify fast charging quite a bit
can't just increase number and be done to charge faster
analog aspen
can't just increase number and be done to charge faster
Was thinking the same
misty saffron
you can actually, just don't expect the battery to last for long
ashen spindle
https://www.semiaccurate.com/2020/07/27/qualcomm-quick-charge-5-is-a-big-step-forward/ as an example where the faster charging is nice but also the extra safety and efficiency is explained
analog aspen
you can actually, just don't expect the battery to last for long
Battery go boom
Fun
pale sigil
How ahout we focus more on batteries lasting longer
Vs a quick solution to charging them
:(
ashen spindle
because thats the same argument as "why is this game adding skins when the servers are bad"
different people working on it
pale sigil
Like all tech, gotta start somewhere and have it get cheaper over time
ashen spindle
someone who looks at USB protocol and finds new ways to safely add more current isn't going to find a new chemical compound that can store more energy
pale sigil
I've come to the conclusion I can only ever go with apple for earphones
And that sucks
wheat plume
o.o
pale sigil
Just like most eadbuds do my ears
wheat plume
?
ashen spindle
why do you care so much if they are called earphones or headphones xD
wheat plume
cause I filtered out headphones only and these are still showing up
pale sigil
Eadbuds no matter the size cause me a lot of pain
Apples are the only ones that fit me
wheat plume
it'd be better if they were labeled in-ear or on-ear
and over ear
pale sigil
And I can use with ease
wheat plume
on ears hurt .-.
crisp granite
and over ear
true
ashen spindle
let me shill my current ones I've had for 7 years that are not made anymore 
ashen spindle
8, sorry
wheat plume
my headphones are still going :D but the earcup padding is breaking off
no longer comfy after a while
o.o they come with an amp
wheat plume
The amp is 160 and the headphones + amp is 300
crisp granite
at that point, just get a pair of HD6XXs and I'll ship you an NA apple dong, if you cover shipping and the actual $10 CAD it costs
ashen spindle
yup @prisma crag
wheat plume
the ones with a base station cost like 400+
ashen spindle
was 185€ for these
wide snow
r they making 60% wootings
wide snow
like 100% confirmed?
crisp granite
r they making 60% wootings
quit reposting and crossposting
I answered in #archived_questions_answers
wide snow
i didntr know where to ask so i asked both. stop stalking lol but ty
crisp granite
I'm not
I just happened to be in general when I saw something that belonged in another channel
so I moved it there
ok...
but the resident audiophile @neat oriole really likes NA dong, so it must be good
alright
mhm
NA is a bit more punchy or something like that
neat oriole
Astro 
neat oriole
pale sigil
He ended up saying it was an Xmas prezzy don't worry so I don't really wanna ask if he's gonna send em out again xD
neat oriole
Gaming mice are good tho
pale sigil
XD
neat oriole
I mean as long as the ergonomics are good it don’t really matter to me
pale sigil
Idk man
Don't like an ugly keyboard
Am I the only one who didn't like his take on transformers?
At least not the first few anyway
I'm like 3 movies behind
Lol
ashen spindle
@neat oriole quick question, do you know where I might be able to find headband pad replacements, I can only find plastic/leather ones not the velvet ones I have
not even on aliexpress lmao
neat oriole
<@!289940229694029824> quick question, do you know where I might be able to find...
For what headphones
ashen spindle
hdr180
neat oriole
Oh those wireless things?
ashen spindle
ye
ashen spindle
doesnt have to be oem
neat oriole
But you could look at Dekoni nuggets
Or ZMF pilot pads
I don’t mind how transformers looked in bayformers
ashen spindle
hmm can't find either as velour/velvet version
though I guess I dont even know if I'd actually mind that as much on the headband
neat oriole
@ashen spindle zmf pilot comes in velour
ashen spindle
do you have a link? I couldn't find it
neat oriole
https://shop.zmfheadphones.com/collections/pads/products/pilot-pad?variant=37218315174051 ahh it’s suede
ashen spindle
rip, guess I'll test if I mind a different material there then and if not get what I can find
neat oriole
Suede is similar to velour
ashen spindle
alright, will try it at some point, thanks
old marlin
O.o phones are going to be charging at laptop speeds soon
65 is not even THAT much
ashen spindle
sounds normal with CNY? what is it compared to last february
reef tundra
If the factory or many suppliers are going to close for a month the value is bound to drop
ashen spindle
well idk if they are closing as it's taiwan, idk how it's handled there
but at least the supply chain would be impacted
shadow minnow
ashen spindle
that sounds like stupid clickbait so I aint wasting my time
cursive summit
But it's not
I watched their livestream so yeah they are launching a partnership with I think ASUS, AMD and MSI
So that "real gamers" can buy GPUs directly from them, and not miners
ashen spindle
ok and how many thousand cards did they get?
cursive summit
80 cards 
cursive summit
misty saffron
have you ever seen non-antialiased fonts?
proud nacelle
I have. In fact I use them.
misty saffron
disgusting
proud nacelle
ashen spindle
it's not a lie, but it's absolutely clickbait
cursive summit
But it's not
I mean, they are selling GPUs
They do have a store
And they do have some stock
cursive summit
Wouldn't say it's a clickbait either
By that definition any title is clickbaiting
ashen spindle
yes clickbait is often quite subjective
but in a case where it's easier to buy a gpu elsewhere, I'd call it one
fair gull
yo i have a weird question
anyone ever had the issue where yt always acts out the hotkeys
even if ure trying to search smth
cause i cant type spaces anymore and any hotkey i press is always going to perform its associated action
cursive summit
Nope bud, you are alone on that
ashen spindle
in a different browser/after restart too?
did you hit F7 by accident and that is a bit broken?
fair gull
i think
its literally only firefox
chrome works fine
all other websites work
including yt music
ashen spindle
private browsing too? if not it could be some plugin
ashen spindle
huh
fair gull
i even cleared cache and all
someone literally broke hotkey disable on searchbar entry
i was literally searching "James may cheese"
posted it in a dm
and then wanted to look for "james may beans" which i couldnt do
cause 2 seconds after it worked it stopped working
crimson wigeon
Oh you're absolutely right it is broken
ashen spindle
no isues on chrome for me
crimson wigeon
Probably just another plot to get people to use Chromeium browsers
cursive summit
Duckduckgo 🤢
Fuck that shit
It comes with Tor and man I hate that search engine to bits
crimson wigeon
Well, are you a human?
misty pier
i daily ddg myself
does the job well imo
if there's shit i need to really look up then I just use !g
crimson wigeon
Best feature is the !g bang for good search results
fair gull
yt works on ff again
ashen spindle
crisp granite
for this one
ashen spindle
...what
crisp granite
this is meh to me
crisp granite
I needz MOAR CORES!!!!!!
cursive summit
That settles it then, going Intel for next PC
crisp granite
16 cores or bust
ashen spindle
it's not even an intel slide, and comparing the uplift over last gen is perfectly normal for any review/vendor
crimson wigeon
OOOOH ELDEN LAKE
ashen spindle
like dont shit on them for default things everyone does and should do xD
cursive summit
OOOOH ELDEN LAKE
You are a big fan of both Elden Ring, and Elden Alder Lake
crimson wigeon
Actually not really I just like the meme
crisp granite
look, I just want my AM5 and DDR5
with all that magic goodness that comes with each
cursive summit
look, I just want my AM5 and DDR5
That's a weird way to spell big.LITTLE shitlet design with PCIe 5
Gotta give props to Intel though, I think Alder Lake will prolly slap on ultrabooks
Good power with tiny consumption, at least from the sound of it
crisp granite
Gotta give props to Intel though, I think Alder Lake will prolly slap on ultrabo...
AMD chips are still my first choice for anything not a desktop atm
cursive summit
Ultrabooks are an important market though, don't discredit those
crisp granite
if these new crisps are as good as intel is teasing, then I might change my mind
crisp granite
...
I thought that was because of them strongarming vendors to either not touch AMD or to simply not have AMD in mid to high end skus
honestly, I want a razer blade 13 with 4th gen ryzen mobile
ashen spindle
yeah, definitely not a broken node lol
proper crystal
Define broken... though we would be repeating yesterday's discussion. Ice Lake SP is a real product, so the node is "good enough" to make it.
ashen spindle
broken as in far far away from what it should've been and has issue they still couldn't solve
proper crystal
It never will be what it was supposed to be since Intel had to scale back on their original density plans and some other "stuff"
ashen spindle
im not talking in terms of what it should've been in terms of efficency, but in yield, economic viability etc.
it's pretty vague since we won't ever get actual info anyway from intel
proper crystal
It is apparently more viable for Intel than staying on 14nm for their server parts.
ashen spindle
these stories dont affect stock at all 
fickle ore
They do, but very very slightly
ashen spindle
and it's at an extremely high price for the last year
fickle ore
No it's quite damn cheap
ashen spindle
it's at the highest it's been since the 7nm news in juli caushed the crash
fickle ore
Their P/E ratio is very low for such a big company, i.e compare to other big companies that size. I'm not too worried, got in at 47$.
Alder lake and to the moon!
AMD's PE for instance is like 37
ashen spindle
yeah and it was at like 150 before lmao
proper crystal
Alder lake and to the moon!
Alder - Raptor - Meteor - Lunar
(sorry, I thought you meant moon as in Lunar Lake)
fickle ore
Haha 😄
ashen spindle
lmao apparently at one point amds PE was 340
shows you it actually just is a number that can go either way
fickle ore
Hype is a big thing nowadays
But eventually, I believe it all comes down to basics at corrections/crashes
ashen spindle
sure, but hype can sometimes be justified and we could get amd stock prices to beat nvidias or so lol
not that I expect it to get that crazy lmao
vagrant pagoda
I forgot i had a 4890 that had a thermalright cooler with noctua fans
astral haven
How the heck do you deploy it lel
It took der8auer 3 months to make it and he's not exactly cheap labor
Eh
Not really
And definitely not at scale
Requires faar too much complicated plumbing
Naj
Well
Not material cost
Eh
crisp granite
wait till the yanks on the mainland start selling air
lol
artisan air
cures autism
astral haven
If it was $1million flat for 1% more efficient a datacenter would do it
But the plumbing is complicated
wheat plume
you sure about that?
vagrant pagoda
@prisma crag ive had the 9ah ryobis for a bit over a year. they work amazing in high use tools.
in grinder and sawall they are a god send
i have 4 of them and 4 4ah as my goto batteries
also with the heatgun
zenith sonnet
On the topic from the other day about PSUs:
Last but not least, a "Spikes" measurement was added, which reports the highest 20 ms spike recorded in this whole test sequence. This spike usually appears at the start of Furmark, before the card's power limiting circuitry can react to the new conditions. On RX 6900 XT, I measured well above 600 W, which can trigger the protections of certain power supplies, resulting in the machine suddenly turning off. This happened to me several times with a different PSU than the Seasonic, so it's not a theoretical test.
Guess Seasonic does good with spikes
old marlin
wouldn't have been a lot better if he didn't put in 2 ads
or at least made them fit to the rest of the vid
but making jokes about the current market only works for so long as you aren't taking part of the seller role
?
I meant RJN
no?
no
I don't think I know more at cad
not that good at it tbh
halcyon moss
it probably pales in comparison to laptop cpus though
old marlin
ye
neat oriole
I mean RJN obviously has a conflict of interest here by being a mouse reviewer and also being consulted on designing a mouse
reef patrol
I mean RJN obviously has a conflict of interest here by being a mouse reviewer a...
RJN
GRORIOUS NIPPON NAVY
cursive summit
*RJN*
GRORIOUS NIPPON NAVY
It's IJN you plebians, Imperial Japanese Navy
analog aspen
Only felt fatigue during game session, no pain. Took a break 40m later and hand starts cramping 
I can imagine the same thing happening with my left hand when I get Lekker. 20g harder spring than then one I’m using
fickle ore
@analog aspen which springs are yo using?
analog aspen
Razer Yellow switch
It has higher bottom out force than Lekker, and lower init force than Lekker
Around 7 hours
I also played significantly worse today 
fickle ore
@analog aspen idk which board u have but I got 45g mx-springs from kbdfans and they are very light. On my W1.
Planning to get some 35g's too
variable weight spring is a nice concept I liked from Topre.
analog aspen
Yeah the Lekker’s spring is custom
So it’s not gonna be easy to replace
I wanna try out progressive spring
🥲
fickle ore
what's it look like?
analog aspen
Somebody else will probably have better picture of the switch
It’s Razer Blackwidow v2. I swapped most the caps to POM tho
Jelly
old marlin
what's it look like?
larger diameter than the average cherry switch
analog aspen
larger diameter than the average cherry switch
I’m getting hand cram
Will watch the way I hold the Burst Pro tomorrow, see if I can claw it for more press force, and hold it lighter
If not then that mouse is lost cause
Either solder in new switch or return
Can’t even get xm1r rn. Could’ve gotten the white version yesterday tho
Now it’s OOS
🥲
Meanwhile Razer being absolutely clueless whether 8KHz is working with League of Legends
That’s just lazy
reef patrol
analog aspen
“Our focus has been on FPS titles” yet 90% of games were incompatible on launch
fickle ore
it's not a game problem
ashen spindle
Can’t expect them to test every game so I don’t see it as lazy. They are focusing on what most people Play that want this, and they can’t really make a game patch to support it on behalf of the devs?
fickle ore
it's a hardware (cpu) issue, some games just are harder for the cpu and compounded by their method of input collection
if it uses Dinput it's worse, if mouse input is not on its seperate thread, but on the core0 it's worse aswell.
raw input is better, less overhead
analog aspen
Can’t expect them to test every game so I don’t see it as lazy. They are focusin...
Again, at launch 8kHz caused stutters on Valorant, Overwatch, Apex Legends, etc.
Right now people still having to play 2khz on Apex Legends
fickle ore
Someone get me a 8khz ffs I'll play 8khz on Apex
analog aspen
it's a hardware (cpu) issue, some games just are harder for the cpu and compound...
Yeah my worries is that LoL is CPU-bound. But it’s bound because it can only ultilize 1-2 cores max
analog aspen
Someone get me a 8khz ffs I'll play 8khz on Apex
It’s available for ~$80
fickle ore
Yeah not worth to me, imma wait for atom
fickle ore
Q1 he said
analog aspen
Vaporware?
fickle ore
:c
fickle ore
gpu draws a pointer on the screen (desktop). It's the lowest latency cursor/crosshair possible
Many 2D games have it
analog aspen
it might not have the issue at all
Also looked around the internet some people does have issue some doesn’t
fickle ore
so yeah a cpu bottleneck
fickle ore
yeah so you want the 2 cores to be as fast as possible and as little loaded as possible :>
I.e my Zen 3 has two best cores (Core0 and Core5) within a single CCX, so you'd want Core0 + closest Core with least core-to-core latency for LOL, and assign random Core to Windows OS.
analog aspen
I.e my Zen 3 has two best cores (Core0 and Core5) within a single CCX, so you'd ...
How does one do this
I have Intel i9
fickle ore
Process Lasso iirc and some others
analog aspen
Is this still related to the 8k polling Thợ
analog aspen
Process Lasso iirc and some others
I’m still interested in this when I tried to OC my CPU. Turned off multithreading. Limited number of cores. Couldn’t increase clock but helped with thermal. Voltage still deadly tho
Barely stable with 5.4ghz i9
fickle ore
The theory is that if a game is CPU bound and loads the CPU close to 100%, especially with a 8khz device the O/S gets too flooded with ISR/DPC so the CPU can't keep up. What you CAN do is optimize the cycles to go to that 8khz proecssing and lower the game's load on the CPU.
Lowering the game load + speeding up the processing of ISR/DPC can alternatively done by purchasing a new speedier CPU with faster single core perf.
Only way to figure it out is to test it
analog aspen
Only way to figure it out is to test it
Ok so basically on Windows bind the LoL.exe to 2 cores only and see what happen
Turbo = OC?
fickle ore
@analog aspen no no, let the LoL use as many cores as it can. Just make sure Windows OS is not on those cores
You can assign affinities with Lasso
analog aspen
Can it assign affinities with Task Manager? It’s there
fickle ore
For best input latency Make Windows OS + Game on nearest two cores but seperate cores
I.e if LoL only uses 2 cores then Core0+1 for LOL and OS Core2
if those are nearest, idk how that cpu is laid out on the die
I'm not sure, sorry 😄
fickle ore
@analog aspen Turn all your other hardware device drivers to MSI mode so you're reducing your ISR loads significantly.
That alone might fix 8khz for some.
ivory geyser
I like this....
Been around for a couple years.
thick elk
But like always browser compatibility is fun. Glad I don't have to care about IE anymore.
For now developing for me is basically make it in firefox, test it in chromium, pray it works in Safari.
thick elk
To be fair once you know what you can and cannot use compatibility is mostly fine apart from some edge cases.
vagrant pagoda
I hate the psu over cpu layout
wheat plume
But like always browser compatibility is fun. Glad I don't have to care about IE...
My web dev project last year
I had to use a shit ton of javascript code to make a "Scroll to top" button work cause the one line of css code isn't supported by IE .-.
vagrant pagoda
Always reminds me of crappy oem cases
halcyon moss
u mean `some chromium cases` <:Kappa:664587530397548544>
no no, safari is the new IE
wheat plume
Still way way better than IE
ivory geyser
My web dev project last year
I had to use a shit ton of javascript code to make ...
document.body.scrollTop = 0;
Shit ton of JS right there
halcyon moss
but that jumps :p
ivory geyser
Just use jQuery if you want to support IE
Also:
window.scroll({
top: 0,
behavior: 'smooth'
})
Pure JS solution
That is a native functiuon
thick elk
Alternatively without any javascript whatsoever, just use links to id's
halcyon moss
also jumps
thick elk
I personally really hate when sites lagscroll
fair gull
doesnt support options ya
ivory geyser
No, it does not jump
fair gull
it does on ie
ivory geyser
Yes, I said if you want to support IE, use jQuery
fair gull
just cause its on mdn doesnt mean all browser fully support it
@ivory geyser jqiery is garbage tho
ivory geyser
So is IE
fair gull
way too much overhead for 1 thing
halcyon moss
its not garbage back in the day
thick elk
jQuery was great when it came out, back then plain javascript was a much bigger pain to use.
fair gull
bruh thats 56kb i can not have
ivory geyser
Well think of it this way: If you need to support IE, then your target group is mostly using old PCs.
So 56kb is irrelevant
Since it is most likely on broadband
thick elk
As for safari being the new IE, the major difference is safari gets updated, an slightly outdated IE at release became very outdated when it started to get phased out.
ivory geyser
People viewing your website from IE are using desktops/Latops. It makes very little sense to worry about 56kb for laptop/PCs.
If you really need to support a shitty browser like that
thick elk
IE is mostly enterprise / people who did not know better.
ivory geyser
Exactly
ivory geyser
Your college sucks lol
halcyon moss
at my current job, in their citrix env, ie starts automatically
ivory geyser
Whenever I work for any client nowadays I tell them that IE support will be 20% extra and they should think if it is worth their investment 🤷
ivory geyser
Post CSS auto-fixes a lot of CSS issue.
Auto-prefixer.
And yes, it means you cant use a lot of modern CSS featrues.
But at flex works, so that is nice
ivory geyser
That's a good trade-off
Believe it or not, a lot of clients actually appreciate it, because it helps them rethink their investment costs and target groups. Which cuts down both on their investments and ups the return ratios and saves me some BS to deal with.
wheat plume
Yeh, its a good trade-off!
ivory geyser
It is kinda funny, but most clients tend to get actually quite hyped when you talk to them about the business aspects of your work and not just the technicalities and "code-monkey business". It often leads to some extra cash and less annoyed phonecalls
wheat plume
oo
ivory geyser
Basically the more "meaningful professional insight" you bring into the project, the more respect you end up getting... assuming you can present half-decently.
Gotta take one thing to heart: If you are a freelancer and you are working a project solo or in a small team - the client is hiring you as a technical expert, not just a code-monkey in most cases.
And the more expert insight and knowledge you provide, the more valuable you are to the client.
It can even be small things like casually telling the client about possible scaling of the tech for the furure.
Or what most of your previous clients liked to add to such projects and how that went
cursive summit
What's IE?
ivory geyser
Internet Explorer
cursive summit
I figured so
But the convo was so deep I didn't think it was about the poor man's Firefox
halcyon moss
the only browser engine competition left
ivory geyser
Not true, there is also Safari
halcyon moss
eh, basically blink
ashen spindle
who needs browser if you can just render whatever in command line 
this is such a dumb feature but it's fun so I might poke it a bit
ah darn forgot thats just a picture on a gif..
it's a moving thing like it looked on old CRTs
reef patrol
This feels weird.
crisp granite
very nice build mansen
reef patrol
Well no. The 3080 is on air xD
fickle ore
@ashen spindle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLEIJhunaW8 - TLDR; NVIDIA has 20-30% overhead vs AMD in cpu-bottlenecked scenarios. Confirming nicely the theory that AMD's driver is just more efficient than Nvidia's forced driver level command lists, for games that apply command lists themselves (DX11.1+)
I remember Hallock talking about it months ago. Nice that this proves it with numbers. So AMD looks like a win for competitive gaming
vagrant pagoda
Yeah 5009 is the new half core cpu
vagrant pagoda
I paid msrp for it from a dude
ashen spindle
I remember Hallock talking about it months ago. Nice that this proves it with nu...
Yeah all the competitive gamers that use a 3090 with a 10100 cpu ...
fickle ore
@ashen spindle beside the point
vagrant pagoda
1% lowes is king with comp gaming
ashen spindle
Gotta need some 1080p low csgo benchmark to see if it actually matters
fickle ore
We're talking about driver architecture here and its effects on FPS
zenith sonnet
Nowadays I'm glad I got my two 5950X's from Alternate for only 120€ above MSRP in December 
ashen spindle
Yes but it needs to affect them in a setting that people actually use lol
fickle ore
AMD's forced driver command lists really affect efficiency
ashen spindle
Just saying this warrants looking into it more, but doesn’t prove anything yet
fickle ore
they only help on DX9/10/11.1 games where games dont apply it themselves, but its a hindrance for games after 11.1+ and DX12 especially
I don't think you watched it :C
ashen spindle
I did on upload lmao
fickle ore
Well it proves enough for me, idk what more you want lol
csgo would just show nvidia winning most likely as its using dx9 currently. Now CSGO updated to source 2? Totally different beast.
ashen spindle
I want to see a cou bound scenario in a competetive game and see how it’s impacted.
If you get a 3090 and a 10100k and play tomb raider at 1080p idk man
You got other issues then already lmao
fickle ore
oh well, I think you're missing the point but not gonna argue
ashen spindle
I mean I agree the amd way is better
Im just curious to see if it matters/changes anything in a competitive setting
fickle ore
Driver level command lists are basically forcing the game to run multithreaded and incurs a overhead cost vs game being designed to natively multithread in dx 11.1+ titles (modern games) for people that are not aware, iirc
So nvidia forces older dx9/10/11 games to multithread even if they're not designed for it
AMD does not
Which is why they sucked in draw calls in first gen dx11 games, but now after games have started to implement it, they're beating Nvidia due to that.
fickle ore
Im just curious to see if it matters/changes anything in a competitive setting
Yep. Would be nice to see but idk what game can show that. Valorant perhaps. But there is 1k fps cap and you'd probably go over it.
zenith sonnet
Try maybe Northgard?
I'm not actually sure though how much it would CPU bottleneck
But it is a competitive game
fickle ore
Gonna look it up thanks, never heard of it 😄
zenith sonnet
I'm gonna see how it performs on my PC
Unfortunately I don't have any endgame savegames
But I run unto a GPU bottleneck at 250-300 FPS early midgame
So I guess that's no good
But holy shit, that was a stuttery mess
wheat plume
Is it ok to have this power connector against the metal frame?
zenith sonnet
Not sure if it was the HW video running or something else, but the stutter killed it
ashen spindle
.. why wouldnt it be ok
wheat plume
Electricity + metal
true quest
if the metal connectors aren't touching no
ashen spindle
where is the metal xD
wheat plume
The frame
ashen spindle
are your cables out of metal
wheat plume
No..
ashen spindle
then why would there be a issue, connected cables are hitting the case at some point too most likely
wheat plume
Nope
This is the only location for the sata ports
crimson wigeon
Route it behind the motherboard?
wheat plume
Through these?
crimson wigeon
Of course
ashen spindle
wherever it fits
crimson wigeon
That's what those holes are for!
true quest
it fits through the fans, but that's not a place you'd want to route it now its it
wheat plume
It's got to bend it a very concerning angle to slot back into the mobo
ashen spindle
crimson wigeon
You should see how concerning some of my cable management bends are..
true quest
looks fine
worse exists
although the board itself might be of concern
so yeah i see why
wheat plume
Got it
I vent it a little before plugging it back in
This cable can somewhat keep the angle it's bent at
The sata ports on the mobo feel so fragile though :/
vagrant pagoda
The worst I've don't straining sata is stripped the latch
wheat plume
How would you fix that?
fair gull
buy a longer sata cable
ashen spindle
just get adapters and plug a usb cable inbetween ez
wheat plume
This seems fine for now
Maybe I should get a longer cable eventually so it's not stressing the port from that bend
zenith sonnet
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gpu-test-system-update-march-2021/
This looks fairly nice
Only thing I don't understand is the choice of 2x SR memory 'because 32 GiB isn't very common yet'
Yeah, but it is on Zen 3 systems because it makes a significant difference...
@fickle ore People have theorised that the cache on RDNA2 is more beneficial at lower resolutions than at higher resolutions to explain the performance regression of Ampere vs RDNA2 when lowering resolution
But maybe it was just the driver overhead showing through all along?
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet Hmm very hard to say and I dont have the expertize to say anything for sure, but it could very well have been that. Because by lowering the resolution you are creating a cpu-bottlenecked scenario. The GPU at low setting in particular nearly always draws frames a lot quicker than cpu's. Like in Valorant my cpu frametime is 1,0-1,4ms (circa 700-1000 fps), but my gpu frametime is 0,5 - 0,7 ms (1500-2000 fps). So by lowering the resolution (700p, 364p game benches) you have nearly always induced a fully cpu-bottlenecked scenario. I'm not sure how gpu cache would play into that, especially with SAM..
and I have 5800x and gtx 1060 for reference.. high end cpu and few years old gpu..
ashen spindle
tfw your custom shader is broken when you run it in command line
proud nacelle
rarted question: is it normal for AIOs to make slight sounds randomly?
proud nacelle
you're speaking japanese to me, it's the first time i have one.
reef patrol
I shall fetch you a diagram.
proud nacelle
looks like the radiator and heatsink itself is at about the same level
if that makes any sense
reef patrol
A visual example as it were
reef tundra
What does the audio wave look like?
reef patrol
Great. Then I wouldn't worry.
proud nacelle
aight, just makin sure. it's random and it worries me.
reef patrol
It could be a tiny air bubble that's fighting to get through the pump. Or just an RPM change.
to me.
reef tundra
Rekt
reef tundra
Amazon == scammers alright
true quest
wdm
buttons to instantly order things?
damn haven't visited neweg in months brb
i found dark theme, so im set
but curious what is the other
ah didnt notice
proud nacelle
So I've been researching lately, and I am left confused about what exactly TrustZone is. On one hand, it looks like it's Intel ME/AMD PSP, while on the other hand it's a trusted execution environment... Which is it?!
reef tundra
its a security hazard
fickle ore
if it says trust it's the opposite
ashen spindle
trustzone is just the arm-technology ME and co run on
crimson wigeon
It's where you can run very secure cryptography stuff with hopefully no chance of tampering
ashen spindle
or at least AMD, intel might've copied it to not pay licensing? idk
crimson wigeon
In reality it's just used for DRM
proud nacelle
That's the thing
I don't know what to trust or believe.
Trying to find any type of computer, be it an SBC or actual computer seems mission impossible (without said technologies). My different understanding is that TrustZone can be disabled if it doesn't receive it's binary blob, but again, no info on this.
Also this time my mini fridge out right froze my system. Fuck sake.
ashen spindle
wut
proud nacelle
As if it wasn't bad enough losing USB connectivity in the middle of doing something, now it freezes my system.
ashen spindle
you have a mini fridge with USB? O.o
ashen spindle
and that is hooked to your pc?
proud nacelle
No
ashen spindle
so your wiring is just shit in the house?
astral haven
Trustzone is trusted execution not me
proud nacelle
I mean that's what I'm guessing, but without an EMI meter, I can't find out
Also that's what I heard Carmoben, but some websites and people say otherwise.
Only when the minifridge stops consuming (as in compressor shuts off) it kills it. If I had a meter I could verify if there is a power spike or something of the like.
https://freundschafter.com/research/system-alternatives-without-intel-me-iamt-and-amd-psp-secure-technology/ This talks about some AMD PSP and Intel ME, also talks about TrustZone. Doesn't specify what it does, but it does suggest getting rid of it.
ashen spindle
I mean you can look at whatever in regards to ME/trustzone etc. but I'm betting your worrying about stuff you cant influence anyway again
proud nacelle
You might be correct but doesn't hurt to try and look into it anyway.
astral haven
Amds psp is arm
And since arm uses trustzone for trusted execution, amds psp uses trustzone
ashen spindle
the article looks like the generic "not opensource so it's bad" take
proud nacelle
Right PSP uses it.
proud nacelle
It does provide a list of old AMD hardware. I actually have that hardware, FX-8350.
ashen spindle
and disregarding that discussion, neither intel nor AMD are ever gonna make their most important security public
astral haven
Psp is the thing that prevents you from switching motherboard vendors with epyc cpus because amd is spineless
ashen spindle
like I'd rather have stuff like SME/SEV than missing out on it bc I dont want closed-source me/psp
proud nacelle
That's you. If you want those, go for it. But for me I want less chances and risks. Simple as that.
astral haven
Well
proud nacelle
I mean it's had issues already
astral haven
Actual paid professionals creating my security product > hobbyists imo
astral haven
I'm not aware of any issues that are able to bypass secure boot+ tpm+ windows virtualize security yet
And I'm not aware of any issues that are able to escape or remotely take over a system running those 3
ashen spindle
while I get the point of open source is able to be vetted if it's secure etc. what is the point of not running any instead?
astral haven
Even if you accidentally run a virus
ashen spindle
like if you dont trust it, what can it do over not having any security
maybe there is a usecase but all i can think of it doesnt make more sense to give up on it
proud nacelle
No issues yet, that's correct, but it doesn't mean it won't happen either. I mean all that crap that happened with CPUs a couple years earlier keeps going on still.
astral haven
Again
Just run your os with all the security features enabled
All of the security issues required windows virtualized security to be disabled
And most of them required local access and admin privileges
ashen spindle
- plundervolt ( i think that was the one?) that makes the security from ME useless, in the end doesn't do more harm than not having anything in the first place
ashen spindle
while if you get hit with spectre, but still have memory encryption on, it doesn't matter if code gets out of the VM, the other memory areas are still encrypted and cant be accessed afaik
astral haven
Yes Locke, intel and amd pay for that shit, I don't want to have to foe the Foss that exists
Yup
astral haven
Specter doesn't bypass windows virtualized security
Not really?
The number of security features that have to be disabled before there are issues are immense
ashen spindle
like if we were talking about what app to use instead of facebook, then I'm down to saying it should really be open source so we know what happens etc.
but in this case you are shooting yourself in the foot to prevent hurting your toe
astral haven
Yea internet comms should be Foss because the attack vector is so small
That's why rsa and post quantum rsa exist
proud nacelle
I guess. It would relax me if I knew the bottom of the pyramid was clean though, since anything above it could be compromised or something of the like.
astral haven
If you can't understand why virtualized security Is safe how could you possibly determine what is safe foss?
proud nacelle
astral haven
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/oem-vbs
If you want to understand why it's safe, read
ashen spindle
a step before that, I'm already confused how you think a security with a potential hole is worse than none at all
astral haven
That too
proud nacelle
Well
I'll try to explain: If I know there is no security, then I won't do anything which will cause me trouble, yeah? If there is security, then I have to assume that it's true. If it ain't, I get into trouble.
astral haven
So you don't do anything that requires security?
proud nacelle
That's not what I meant
ashen spindle
I mean even with open source security, you still have to "trust" that whatever people say about it being safe is true and nobody has found an issue yet to exploit it
you're just making the potential hole smaller
proud nacelle
Yes but at least with open source security, anyone can inspect it. Quicker response time, quicker discovery... generally.
Not to mention if I don't need something, I can strip it out. AKA, less vectors of attack
With closed source though, no chance of that.
astral haven
Problem is that those people can chose not to release the data
proud nacelle
It's a black box.
ashen spindle
vice versa if you are unlucky someone might find an issue only because it is open and no good guy finds it
astral haven
Wheras with closed source, especially those with immense bounties on them, most attackers will take the million bucks instead of hoarding the bugs
That's why chromeos is so awesome, it is both OSS and bountied
But nothing else is
proud nacelle
I don't know how to explain anymore
ashen spindle
hell if amd/intel would have these things open china would be all over that, finding bugs, fixing it in their own stuff and have closed source alternative so you'd have to bet if you take a chance of a backdoor or take it over them abusing issues in the other version lmao
proud nacelle
Perhaps it would be better if I try to explain what I'm trying to do? Because I'm having a hell of a hard time.
ashen spindle
yes a specific case usually makes it easier
astral haven
^
ashen spindle
generalization doesn't cover all edge cases etc.
astral haven
Yeup
proud nacelle
Right, then let me try to explain myself : I want everything before Linux to be not backdoored. As in, I don't want anyone to have the ability to snoop. I don't care if they corrupt data, or if they kill the OS, IDC. Just that they can't see what is being processed or done.
astral haven
You have a tpm?
proud nacelle
No. Heard there were issues with them, which is why I avoided them.
astral haven
Then it's not possible
proud nacelle
astral haven
Not with x86 or arm
ashen spindle
internet connection or closed off from any connection?
proud nacelle
Internet. TCP/IP. WGET/CURL over Tor.
astral haven
There are ways to exfiltrate data over power lines
ashen spindle
battery powered
astral haven
You'd need one of those dual battery laptops
And thats moot since you are using tor
Which is known to be insecure
proud nacelle
So what you're saying is I have to go to coffee shops.
astral haven
Even worse
proud nacelle
Not use computers?
astral haven
Yup
proud nacelle
Riiight... Can't do that.
crimson wigeon
Here you go https://www.raptorcs.com/ get one of their computors lol ecks dee
astral haven
Power9 requires a tpm lel
proud nacelle
Always have
astral haven
For linux security
ashen spindle
I mean, once you directly connect it to the internet, worrying about me/psp is kinda moot imo
proud nacelle
Why specifically? Issue with the TCP/IP stack?
ashen spindle
just from the scope of where issues/attacks come from, you're looking at taping off the keyhole on a door that is missing the lower half
astral haven
Remember websites are code running on your machine
proud nacelle
That's not very specific... You're telling me getting a webpage via wget or curl (over tor) is really that unsecure?
astral haven
If you run it afterwards 🤷
proud nacelle
Even if the webpage is never loaded into a browser?
astral haven
If you never load the website into memory sure maybe?
proud nacelle
So you're saying I can't even edit the bloody thing now?
ashen spindle
ok but what do you do with them then lmao
proud nacelle
Nor read it?
astral haven
Yea pretty mucj
proud nacelle
astral haven
Unless you are sandboxed somehow
And to be sandboxed you need to use a tpm
And if you don't provide your own, you are using the intel/amd provided one
proud nacelle
Ugh
ashen spindle
I would say both cases are extremely unlikely but issues in the tpm are a magnitude less likely to cause you any concern
im not expert but I just can't see how it would be the other way
astral haven
Tpm architecture is also zero trust so it's pretty solid
Only ever been 3 security issues found in the last 20 years and they were cryptographic errors not anything the fault of the tpm architecture itself
ashen spindle
- where would any attacks even come from that target your tpm if not from the pages you access
proud nacelle
So much for having an archival server
ashen spindle
what are you archiving that you are looking for more security than any government uses lmao
astral haven
^
astral haven
"More security than the government uses" is the keyword
proud nacelle
Even though not illegal, who the fuck knows when it will be. Or if it ever will be.
That's my primary concern. Legality.
ashen spindle
save your data encrypted in your own way that you only store in your brain and nobody can even access it
astral haven
As if everything the government does is legal lol
astral haven
Anyways I just use veracrypt
ashen spindle
use steganography to hide everything inside of harmless pictures, add a second fake are if the wrong code is used that you could give out during interrogation
astral haven
It's simple asf, and as long as you uncheck memory residency it's very hard to steal the data
proud nacelle
Not worried about them having the data
If that matters
If it ever becomes illegal, I'll nuke it straight away
astral haven
Nuke it how
proud nacelle
DD random or shred or some other bullshit
Yes I'm aware platters can retain some info
astral haven
Ssds and hdds are undeleteable
ashen spindle
fully disolve it in acid and you are good
misty pier
throw it into the sun
proud nacelle
There was a guy who dissolved a platter with acid actually
astral haven
All of those raise suspicion
proud nacelle
found it
Raise, perhaps. But who cares? If it's done, they can't do anything about it afterwards
astral haven
You assume alot
proud nacelle
That's my name
astral haven
Tldr get a tpm, enable memory encryption, and use a disk encryption utility
proud nacelle
Yeah. That would resolve everything.
But, if that data goes one day, it's all gone.
ashen spindle
use honeypots together with hiding it compressed inside of other files, and the de/encrypting is done on a second system that is not connected anywhere, with total memory deletion after use, also while you are working on that you reset the memory of the pc you used to connect to the internet so there are no traces there then save it elsewhere
think that does it?
astral haven
Tpm stores data in a physical circuit
proud nacelle
I mean I don't mind having to use an offline/airgapped one
astral haven
As long as you don't forget your password it's not going anywhere
ashen spindle
cleaning your traces/being thorough with making no mistakes is 99% of where issues would appear anyway compared to an actual breach of a TPM or similar
proud nacelle
There's one problem though.
Or at least, one to me and my retarded brain can't get around it
If there is one system connected to the internet, it has that information on it, right? I then transfer it over to the 2nd machine, but, how the hell do I keep doing that without spending thousands on flash drives or hard disks? Not to mention, if I have to do it frequently (every hour, for example, maybe unrealistic), I can't stay awake 24 hours.
There's data diodes, but I wouldn't trust RS-232 with my data
astral haven
Be sad
astral haven
Just improve your security so you don't have to worry about this
proud nacelle
I'll try to. I'm a hypocrite though, running stuff as root always cough cough KVM.
ashen spindle
have a nas/drive/whatever in the middle of both that you wipe clean constantly
so you get 100gig transferrate
proud nacelle
One quicker and dumber question: Isn't there a way to prevent caching?