🔌│tech

[reef patrol]

Don't fix what ain't broken.

[fair gull]

has been replaced by an i7-4790k

and this has also been replaced

[astral haven]

well mansen if you use usb devices heavily it is broken

[fair gull]

altho with the current direction of shintel ill maybe go amd next rig in 2 years

[reef patrol]

My B550 is doing just fine with 6 devices plugged in 😄

[astral haven]

any of them a hard drive?

[reef patrol]

NVME, yes

[astral haven]

on usb?

[reef patrol]

Did I stutter?

[astral haven]

then you must not use it much

[reef patrol]

Use it plenty. Zero issues 😄

[fair gull]

nvme

on usb

LOL

[astral haven]

it only takes about 2 hours of data transfer for errors to start happening

yea i have an nvme usb stick too

its really nice

[fair gull]

mansen rn

[reef patrol]

Nothing that scary. It's just an enclosure that adapts NVME to USB-C

😄

[astral haven]

^

shoot i dont have a drive in mine rn

[fair gull]

ngl

most sata/usb adapters for any sort of m.2/m.sata device

usually didnt work out for me

[astral haven]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41AP2VN%2BtML._AC_SL1000_.jpg

yea most of the time you have to reformat the drive

for it to function 100%

[reef tundra]

Noise, BNC gang rise up

[fair gull]

i dont think reformatting the drive makes the overheating IC go away

[astral haven]

ah

well get one with more metal then

[reef patrol]

You're thinking of the Gen4 ones that need cooling.

[fair gull]

na had m.sata drives overheat

like

5 years ago

[astral haven]

uhhh

[fair gull]

first few drives i adapted in my shop

[astral haven]

what janky ass enclosure were you using lel

[fair gull]

then kinda went away from it. then ssd's in general got super popular

[reef tundra]

Remove the blowtorch firing at the enclosure

[fair gull]

kingstons a400 drives were trash (still are)

then we tried a multitude of other companies

[astral haven]

grass is green

[fair gull]

and now im stuck selling samsung, hp or intel ssd's really

[astral haven]

intel managed to surpass the record setting failure rates of the a400 with the 660p tho

takes signficant work to hit an afr of 10%

[fair gull]

glad we never did consumer intel ssds

lol

mainly intel dc series for servers

[astral haven]

yea

[fair gull]

still have some WD ssds running

[astral haven]

literally everything but intel 6 series is god tier

but the problem is 6 series exists

[fair gull]

coming up on 6months 24/7 testing

[reef tundra]

Intel 🤢

[astral haven]

if intel is good at one thing that is storage

[fair gull]

i wish

[astral haven]

their storage software is solid
their storage hardware is fantastic when they want it to be

the problem is $1/gb is pretty terrible value

no matter how fast you are

[reef tundra]

the problem is intel

but what about outtel

[fair gull]

u mean this?

[astral haven]

find another one of these

[fair gull]

i use my ssds decoratively

the cables go nowhere

its all an elaborate prank

[reef tundra]

"Why wont the stacies date, me a nice guy, only chads." that dont insult woman as soon as she dares to say no

[fair gull]

panda i think u wanted to post that on r/datingadvice

[astral haven]

Or go on ebay and buy a 9100 ion and get both

[reef tundra]

Yes. Woman like alphas that are one dimensional boring stereotypes of toxic masculinity

[astral haven]

Who carea

Literally not enough time has passed since release to fully kill the drives

And they released ages ago

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/rdyzdkqptbgn.png

[reef tundra]

Normal use should last atleast 30 years

[fair gull]

define "normal"

[astral haven]

oh no not the 3.2tb

look for the 2.4tb ones

[reef tundra]

Harddrives however last 5 years or something

[astral haven]

wut

[fair gull]

same

[astral haven]

newer hdds

lel

[reef tundra]

As with any product. Either the first quarter or the last quarter will have the most failures

[fair gull]

i mean i did have some drives fail on me after like 5years but thats was some 16/7 run time on them with almost constant writes and reads

[astral haven]

i had a brand new enterprise drive fail on me within a year

well

it started reallocating sectors

imo thats a failure

[reef tundra]

Send angry letter to the CEO of enterprise drive to tell you are dissapointed in them

[astral haven]

yup

but i realized that backblaze numbers are definetly alot lower than consumer numbers would be

[reef tundra]

With enough drives it doesnt really matter anymore as it becomes normal that there will be constantly failing drives

SSDs are bae

He is storing the homework folder :)

[astral haven]

i got a 12tb for $180

[reef tundra]

I got an 1tb m.2 nvme ssd

it does big fast

[astral haven]

yikes

[reef tundra]

Enough for the operating system and some extras

[astral haven]

yea but what about your games?

do you just have a dozen ssds lel

i have 5 in my pc lel

[reef tundra]

I do have 2 2 tb hardrives in the system but they dont do shit and are not even automounted. everything im doing is running on that 1tb ssd

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/dslwt7unm5c4.png

this is all i have bois

[astral haven]

ayy another person thrashing their drives as badly as me lel

[reef tundra]

#stopdriveABOOOOOSE

[astral haven]

to be fair a: has 1.6tb of overprovisioning

but i have no excuses for G: 😦

[reef tundra]

You are refering the free space on the drives?

[astral haven]

yea
filling ssds is un good for their health

[reef tundra]

ooh

Could just mount on of the big boys and transfer my homework to them

:)

Why was it not that good? dont remember why it was unwise for an ssd to be nearly full

[astral haven]

Basically ssds have to write a full block at a time

Actually you know how to use google

"Write amplification"

[reef tundra]

Like flash memory?

[fair gull]

why did u start explaining and then stop

lol

[reef patrol]

TLDR; Every cell in your SSD can only be written to so many times. So the good approach is to spread the writes as far as you can.

But if you overfill it, it can't do that optimally.

[astral haven]

Google searching write amplification will explain better than I can

Further than that mansen

[reef patrol]

I do pleb explanations for pleb expectations 😛

[reef tundra]

ah, makes sense. brings me back to the days of having to work with eeprom

[astral haven]

Yup

[reef tundra]

Especially when the data format doesnt conform to the total size or changes

[fair gull]

reminds me of the days of scraping ones and 0s onto stone tablets

[reef tundra]

The good old days yea, of big rocks

[astral haven]

Cause technically nand is just the really fast writing low endurance low retention successor to eeproms

And some geniuses cough tesla are using nand in the place of roms

[reef tundra]

ROM is cheaper than dirt. just an wire mesh soldered together at points

[astral haven]

Well

[reef tundra]

The issue is that you can only set it at manufacturing

[astral haven]

Try to find a 64GB rom chip

Nah

Most rom is of the eep type these days

[reef tundra]

ROM and EEPROM are made radically different

EPROM is pretty usefull to work with

[astral haven]

I mean

End result is what matters

And no matter what, rom is rom

Eep or op or classic

[reef tundra]

it is pretty self contridictory. Writable Read Only Memory

[astral haven]

It's not writable

Technically

[reef tundra]

"programmable"

It still ends with read only memory

[astral haven]

Writing implies that you can chose where the data goes

[reef tundra]

Yea? you get some address lines to tell what byte you are writing or reading at the moment.

[astral haven]

oh shit yea you can

uh

[reef tundra]

Yea, need an way to tell it what you want to read at least :D

The rewriting some byte is different as you need to first clear the byte and then you can write. Which is slow... much slower than reading shit atleast

It is great stuff atleast. Allows me to track my bugs through the power on cycles

[astral haven]

well no

in nand you have to erase before you can write too

at least with mlc or greater nand

[reef tundra]

When I see nand im thinking of an sr-latch first

which is not even close

[astral haven]

uh

you should be thinking and not

because thats what it is

[reef tundra]

Wait.. that sr-latch loses its state when power is lost?

[astral haven]

sr latch?

its not a latch lel

[reef tundra]

sr-latch is pretty much two nand/nor gates

[astral haven]

yea

only need one gate per cell

requiring more than one gate per cell would be expensive lol

[reef tundra]

Nah, propagation delay aswell. Especially when you dont even need it

[astral haven]

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-breaks-terabyte-threshold-for-smartphone-storage-with-industrys-first-1tb-embedded-universal-flash-storage
cant do this if you are wasting gates

well the problem is that the data kinda just goes away if its unpowered for extended periods of time...

qlc is like 2 years in optimal conditions?

[reef tundra]

So it still needs power, at least a tiny amount to retain the data?

[astral haven]

yup

each nand cell is an impromptu capacitor

[reef tundra]

Sounds pretty volatile to me 🤔. Wait... is it just 6 nand gates with an capacitor?

[astral haven]

6?

its 1

and the capacitor is part of the gate

its literally just a larger peice of silicon where the electrons hang out

[reef tundra]

Two conductive pieces near eachother is pretty much an capacitor

[astral haven]

yup

[reef tundra]

So the capacitor is pretty much parasitic?

[astral haven]

https://www.cactus-tech.com/resources/blog/details/solid-state-drive-primer-2-slc-mlc-and-tlc-nand-flash/
explanations here seem to be pretty much on point

no

[reef tundra]

used to its advantage

[astral haven]

the capacitor is the data storage mechanism lel

[reef tundra]

oh, its just an nand gate with an capacitor. With the databus being either connected to the capacitor to be read via the nand gate or left floating.

[astral haven]

no

capacitor never gets connected for reading

[reef tundra]

How will you read something that you cant measure?

[astral haven]

you throw electrons in the capacitor and the current wont flow in the gate

or you throw a small amount of electrons in the capacitor and most of the current wont flow in the gate

if you think that seems a bit weak and difficult to detect
YOU ARE RIGHT

[reef tundra]

Hmmm, it measures though current and not voltage?

[astral haven]

the voltage stored in the capacitor affects the current in the gate

so yes you measure the current

[reef tundra]

Ohhhhh. it uses the fact mosfets are voltage based and hold their voltage on the gate

[astral haven]

?

not sure what you mean by that

[reef tundra]

If you charge the gate of an mosfet it stays being conductive even when there is the voltage source has been removed from the gate and left floating

[astral haven]

ya

exactly

[reef tundra]

The reason you need and pull-up/pull-down resistor if that is undesireable

but there that is used to form memory

[astral haven]

yeup

pretty solid engineering to keep the charge in there for a year or two

[reef tundra]

And the mosfets i have used can hold that charge for days...

[astral haven]

and also realize

[reef tundra]

so wont be abnormal that specialised ones hold it for years

[astral haven]

its not just open or closed

each one of these transistors needs to hold a specific charge level

https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/nand-flash-tech.jpg

cause if the voltage drops even slightly itll be in a different state

[reef tundra]

Hmmm, oh yea. you cant drop the voltage too low as it will then turn into its resistive mode

[astral haven]

no panda

i mean if the voltage in the floating gate drops by even a few mv, itll be in a different state

[reef tundra]

You need to stay above the gate on voltage and that is why the voltage range is that narrow?

[astral haven]

i think you are missing the more important part

this individual transistor is holding several bits of data

[reef tundra]

With the use of differend voltage levels?

[astral haven]

yup

within this one transistor

with this example you have .0625v available to store each state

that means if your voltage changes by just .03 v you are in a different state

and well

these gates are a couple hundred nm across

thats small enough that electrons can straight jump out via tunneling

[reef tundra]

Oh it will be using that resistance/gatevoltage curve to be able to work out the bits on the gate by measuring how much resistance the mosfet has between source and drain and what voltage would be corresponding to that. As its voltage raises the conductivity rises aswell and let more current through

[astral haven]

yes

[reef tundra]

and the margins are really small

jeez

[astral haven]

yea

[reef tundra]

and you also have to factor in noise margins and adc noise

[astral haven]

lets not even worry about that 😅

if you want to actually read up on this, https://www.anandtech.com/show/8216/samsung-ssd-850-pro-128gb-256gb-1tb-review-enter-the-3d-era/2

[reef tundra]

you pretty much have to stay really close to the mark over time. Technology. its great

Did you know that LEDs are also tiny solarcells?

[fair gull]

yes

altho rather inefficient

due to not being black

(as in the substrate)

[astral haven]

thats not the main reason they arent efficient but sure

[fair gull]

psure reflecting most of the light hitting u is already a shitty start

[reef tundra]

I used an LED once to act as an red laser detector to detect if the object has passed the laser.

it worked

[astral haven]

well ok then

and thing is

leds can be dark

[reef tundra]

They can be in a load of packages

[astral haven]

no i mean the silicon itself

well

semiconductor

its usually not silicon any more lel

[reef tundra]

probably germanium

[astral haven]

definetly a semiconductor

[reef tundra]

It definitely conducts sometimes and lets phones off when it does so

[astral haven]

☎️ phones

[reef tundra]

The greatest source of power

LEDs are great

[astral haven]

Welp I'm gonna sleep now that I've destroyed any confidence you have in your ssds keeping your data for long periods of time lel

[reef tundra]

I will go back to punch cards

Pray for me that i wont trip

[astral haven]

Smart

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

The thinking man's solutions

[wheat plume]

Its strange that, in order to get a headphone jack you gotta spend either 2000$ or 200$”
JerryRigEverything - 2021

[cursive summit]

It's almost like we are going back in time

[wheat plume]

yeh...

[cursive summit]

That's why I refuse to buy any sort of phone without a headphone jack

It's just a shitty phone if it doesn't have such a basic feature

[fair gull]

glad my s10+ has a jack

wouldnt want it any other way

[wheat plume]

My phone has one too

but I dont have wired earphones

[vagrant pagoda]

Same lol

i have been using bluetooth headphones for like 10+years

[ashen spindle]

what a shit argument

and really no need to make drama out of it this way zzz

[wheat plume]

AWWWWWW IM SO HAPPY <3 <3

[pale sigil]

Eng?

[ashen spindle]

use subtitles

[wheat plume]

Last year, JerryRigEverything made a "not a wheelchair"
and now he gave one to goodtimeswithscar

https://youtu.be/sfim5htXx14

[ashen spindle]

but that's a good point, if you want to "call someone out" dont do it in a video in another language lmao

[wheat plume]

JELLI <3

[pale sigil]

Omg

[reef patrol]

[jade flare]

can someone help me setup my wooting im having issues

[reef patrol]

#archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/gcagGbi1FcY

This is potentially extremely sick

TL;DW

Super Resolution requires to be programmed into the engine, either by game or engine devs
Up to Double performance seen in the games testing this functionality in an Alpha state.
NVidia Adds DLSS into Unreal Engine as a plugin
7nm to 5nm not appearing to be viable for the likes of a PS5 Pro
Sony has booked time with AMD's custom solution team (E.g.; Semi-Custom designs/console) to review options; Potentially for PS5 slim on 3nm.
Appears to be movement to 5nm - SweClockers

    Silicon capacity 2021 per Month

        7nm 140,000
        5nm 105,000 (Apple >50%)
        3nm 30,000

    Silicon capacity 2023-24 per Month
        7nm 160,000
        5nm 160,000
        3nm 105,000 (Apple to begin moving to 3nm?)

[haughty helm]

Need help because I preorder wooting one but they are not making new ones

[cursive summit]

You cannot preorder Wooting One

You prolly preordered Wooting Two HE

[reef patrol]

If you made a "pre-order" that went through, then you've got one on its way.

[ashen spindle]

rgt just regurgitates stuff other websites show, they dont have any actual leaks and if they do, no real value in believing it

its more of a daily combination of what other people found/posted

[timid chasm]

isn't that what rgt is short for? regurgitate?

[haughty helm]

Okay thanks @reef patrol

I order one like February so do u know when I will get it

Or when will it get shipped

[fair gull]

a pigeon carrying ur dispatch confirmation has been dispatched

[reef patrol]

You'll need to send a mail to Wooting with your order number and such, and they can find out where it's at. If it's been shipped to you yet.

!contact

[patent glacier]

Hey there, as suggested, email [e-mail] with the following information;

Name:
Date the issue occurred:
Description of the Issue:
Steps taken:
Order details (Order #, Address etc):
Serial number (Back of your Wooting):

If for a general enquiry you do not need to provide the above information. Please give Wooting a few days to respoond.

[haughty helm]

Thanks

[wheat plume]

this dvd is so broken ;-;

it coudnt be read but the OS could read the label

[reef tundra]

using dvds in the current year?

[wheat plume]

yep

[reef tundra]

What is next floppy disks?

[wheat plume]

nah

too small

[reef tundra]

But the name..

floppy

disk

fdisk

[wheat plume]

:P

[reef tundra]

dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda status=progress bs=16M

Great use of dd(disk destroyer)

[wheat plume]

runs command

great idea

[reef tundra]

Always run random commands on the internet

dont forget to add the sudo for good luck

[fair gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IoP684d3SM&t=269s

[proud nacelle]

dmesg: port XYZ disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...
well, either a: power is shit or psu is shit at handling power or b: the minifridge does mini EMPs.

[fair gull]

why not all of them?

[proud nacelle]

very true

but fixing both = $$$

[fair gull]

i can send u the 3 required dollars

[proud nacelle]

short of getting a faraday cage for a computer (which doesn't exist and also logically doesn't make sense), getting a ups, and getting a mini fridge which does not make bursts of EMI, i dunno

[fair gull]

ok heres an idea

move the minifridge

and

post an img on onlyfans of ur dong

ez money for new psu

[proud nacelle]

you think i have outlets?

also hell no on the onlyfans

[fair gull]

i assume this means u have none

[proud nacelle]

yeah. each room has ~2/4 outlets

[fair gull]

ok so

how do you run ur pc or minifridge at all then

[proud nacelle]

you never heard of power strips?

fridge is connected directly to wall, rest is on a power strip

or power bar

or whatever you want to call it

[fair gull]

wait

why dont u stick ur fridge into another spot in the wall then

if u directly connect to the wall now

[proud nacelle]

the room only has 2 outlets

[fair gull]

so you do have outlets

[proud nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ree-pepe-triggered-angry-ahhhh-gif-13627544

[fair gull]

ok better idea

spend 5bucks on a quad outlet

done

[proud nacelle]

yes but i don't want fire hazard

[fair gull]

what fire hazard

wha

[proud nacelle]

our electrical wiring is shit

4 rooms are connected to one 15a breaker

[fair gull]

then what u do rn is also a fucking firehazard

[proud nacelle]

agreed

but less so

[fair gull]

id say more so

powerstrips are more of a firehazard than wall outlets

[proud nacelle]

yes but i'm not pulling more than the powerstrip's limit

[fair gull]

bruh with what flimsy wiring i know from most powerstrips

i dont even trust the rating

[proud nacelle]

well

you do bring up a valid point

[crisp granite]

me, running monitors, my PC, my xbox, my lamp and my router, all off of one power strip...

[reef tundra]

I have an server power strip with very thicc cable so it should be solid

[fair gull]

well my concern always really is the wires from outlet to out on the strip

cause the few i took apart

had like less than 1mm crosssection

for multiple amps

wish i had calipers back then to measure it

[latent mural]

This is a bit of an odd question, but would anyone happen to know of a program that restricts mouse movement from leaving a predefined area? I've managed to find programs that limit mouse movement from windows but nothing like pic related https://puu.sh/Hnau0/6a0b826d4e.png

[vagrant pagoda]

der8auer did a review of them

It's a display piece not utility

An og 2000?

I have a og black one

Sadly the anodizing hasn't aged well

I really should send it to get powder coating

[neat oriole]

O11 isn’t larger than a typical mid tower it’s just wider but shorter

I personally like the split chamber designs

I just looked it up yeah

Looks like an old Mac Pro w/o the handles

[old marlin]

You are aware that the O11 is quite a bit smaller than most 2010s mid towers?

Ah great

Stuffing the PSU in front of the CPU is something alienware got bad rep from

And even then

Height difference is like what?

5cm?

Sure it is longer and wider

But you get better temps

Chimney barely does anything

Didn't cooler master have a somewhat recent and decent chimney case

Upside down as in BTX?

Or rather what BTX turned out to be

Yea ik cooler master has a ton of shit

Ah

SL600M

Aren't they all

I think that one is alu

And where do they source steel?

One might think the largest steel source in asia

Aka

China

Linali mainly uses alu though

So prob iceland

SL600M is only alu panels

Sad

15:12?

[vagrant pagoda]

Top io is killer for passive

Same with flipped

[analog aspen]

@old marlin so many people using GPX Ultralight & Viper 8kHz that I wanna buy them so bad

[old marlin]

lol

GPX is getting cheaper btw

seen it for under 100 open box already

[analog aspen]

I heard it’ll only get worse due to NA tax

[reef tundra]

Im sad to inform you than I dont have those, what are they even?

[analog aspen]

US China tax fight. Taiwan drought etc etc etc

[analog aspen]

Basically updated version of GPW and Razer Viper respectively. Not much changes on the 8kHz besides polling rate. Huge improvement on GPW (weight distribution from back -> centered, virgin grade Teflon feets, no RGB bs, 66g)

Realistic person would get the GPX U, people want future tech will get the Razer Viper 8kHz

[old marlin]

realistic person would not buy GPX

[analog aspen]

People who cares about their wallets won’t buy both

[old marlin]

since the shape is dogshit

[analog aspen]

[old marlin]

reminds me

I bought a ninox aurora on saturday

should arrive tomorrow

[analog aspen]

Nice

[old marlin]

and keris should come out

[analog aspen]

Ping me with what you think about it once you get it

[old marlin]

lol

not like you can get one easily

[analog aspen]

How did you get it

Contacts?

[old marlin]

also gotta see if the sensor in it is good enough

used market

but even there it is somewhat rare

I would say I don't have contacts to bst

but that would be a lie

he doesn't have any stock remaining of it though

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[old marlin]

no matter who asks

[analog aspen]

Pixart ADNS-3090

[old marlin]

depends on implementation

[analog aspen]

Doesn’t look that stand out

What’s good about it

[old marlin]

shape

g100/s have a similar shape

[analog aspen]

Compatible with Windows® XP / Vista / 7 / 8

No 10

[old marlin]

but fml the sensor implementation is ass

[analog aspen]

What age is this mouse

[old marlin]

uhhh

a few years

[analog aspen]

Few = under 10 right

[old marlin]

ye

[analog aspen]

Shape doesn’t look like g100 but

[old marlin]

barely

2013/2014

[reef tundra]

Thicc or curvy?

[old marlin]

2nd is the aurora

3rd is the g100

[old marlin]

1st is an fk2

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-steamed-hams-aurora-borealis-skinner-chalmers-gif-5424274

[analog aspen]

It looks like the 2nd left to right

[old marlin]

that is what I said

[old marlin]

I hope the coating on mine won't be terrible

worst case I'll just take it off though

[analog aspen]

Hmmm

Better sensor? Lighter mouse? Better shape? Decisions decisions

[analog aspen]

Then what’s this?

[old marlin]

asus mouse

[analog aspen]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Wireless-Lightweight-Push-fit-swappable/dp/B08R14HS3R

It’s already out?

[old marlin]

has hotswap switches

the wireless is

waiting on the wired

cause it is quite a bit lighter

and I don't feel like wasting money

wireless performance is good btw

[analog aspen]

Pog? What for?

[old marlin]

so you can use other switches obv

[analog aspen]

There’s other switches? O.o

[old marlin]

obviously

[analog aspen]

What’s the switches it use

[old marlin]

for some reason asus has given D2F-01F in the packaging of almost all their hotswap mice

[analog aspen]

What’s the better switches xD

These are different from keyboard switches because they are micro switches

[old marlin]

even though they are more expensive than the D2FC-01F used in most of their mice per default

[old marlin]

ye

I personally like japanese omrons

as opposed to 20m/50m that get commonly used

TTC gold V2 apparently also is pretty good

there also are some nice huano siwtches, although not compatible with asus hoptswap method

since the pins are wider they permanently damage the sockets

[analog aspen]

Not having wire dragging around is already ~10g reduction

[old marlin]

I can replace the wire though

[reef tundra]

Remove mouse to reduce weight even more

[analog aspen]

I’m so confused about this whole micro switch hotswap thing

Looking at it it’s worse than the GPX specs wise

[shadow minnow]

I knew the ssd will be smaller than I imagined and than it looked on photos but did not expect m2 SSD to be this small, never saw one before irl.

But the box was so hard to open

[reef tundra]

Small technology is small

[shadow minnow]

And fast, 7000mbs

[analog aspen]

ROG OMNI MOUSE FEET
After a series of tests, the ROG design team determined that mouse feet and directionality affect glide more than size. The 100% Teflon (PTFE) mouse feet are rounded and 25% smoother than those found in other gaming mice to ensure an effortless glide across any surfac

Are these even virgin grade

[reef tundra]

Its insane how much you can store at the size of just your fingertip

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

[reef tundra]

And with my hand i can only count to 144

[shadow minnow]

If you stacked chips, you could get over 10tb on one finger

[analog aspen]

For my clients I tell them to look at the size of their heat spreader for preference

Problem with M2 is that there’s only 2 slots per mobo. SATA still the best. You can have as many as you want. That’s why M2 price are dropping near SATA now

[reef tundra]

The cpu can only give out so many pci lanes

[ashen spindle]

there are boards with 3 and sometimes even 4 m2 slots

• you can just convert any pcie slot into multiple slots

thats not really why the price is similar to sata

[analog aspen]

They are giga expensive tho

[shadow minnow]

Most mobos now afaik have 3 slots

[ashen spindle]

idk, 250 for the first I found doesnt seem that insane

[shadow minnow]

high speed M2s are more expensive than sata SSDs, but that makes sense imo. If sata had faster speeds, there would be more expensive sata SSDs too

[old marlin]

you can also use VERY cheap adapter s to put them in normal PCIe slots

[old marlin]

marginal difference last time I checked btw

like 10-15%

[astral haven]

at this point there are cheap nvmes that are the same price

alot slower than the fastest nvmes but 2.4g vs 600m is a biiig difference

[shadow minnow]

Well, you can get low speed m2 or sata for close to 1€/gb while 7000mbps m2s cost around 2€/gb

[astral haven]

uh

[analog aspen]

Also these speeds are non-practical unless you move data around your hard drives a lot

[astral haven]

in the us you can do alot better lel

[ashen spindle]

you mean 1€ per 10 gb...

[astral haven]

^

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

[astral haven]

i paid $1/gb for my ssd

you paid $1 for 10

[old marlin]

if you go by that

[analog aspen]

Why do you think Keris is better than GPX? The only plus I see is hotswap. I can’t even tell if it’s good for performance

[astral haven]

best is .085/gb
best nvme is .095

[old marlin]

sandisk SSD Plus 2TB is the cheapest

81 euros per TB atm

[astral haven]

uh

[old marlin]

cheapest m.2 pcie is 88

[astral haven]

isnt that sata

[old marlin]

KIOXIA EXCERIA SSD 1000GB

[astral haven]

yea thats sata m.2

[old marlin]

nah

is pcie

the kioxia is

the sandisk is not even m.2

[astral haven]

oh

[analog aspen]

The sn550 is really good for its price

[astral haven]

its not great

[shadow minnow]

Do not talk about cheapest SSDs when I spent so much on this, makes me again wonder how big waste of money it was

[old marlin]

WD is good for sata at least

[analog aspen]

Nah M2

[astral haven]

inland premium is significantly better

[analog aspen]

We’re still talking performance/buck right

[old marlin]

[analog aspen]

I got it for $85/TB M2

[old marlin]

if warranty is a performance

WD blue 3DNAND is hard to beat

5 years with no TBW limit

[astral haven]

no

theres always a tbw limit

[old marlin]

well obv a physical one

not in the warranty though

[astral haven]

yes there is you need to look harder

[old marlin]

I did

[shadow minnow]

That sounds good. This ssd has 5 years or 1400 tbw

[astral haven]

some of the sata drives arent fast enough to hit it

[ashen spindle]

I think the intel ones are basically the same in that regard

[old marlin]

it explicity stated that there is none

[astral haven]

if thats what you mean

[old marlin]

it can easily hit the rated one

doesn't matter though

[astral haven]

all nvmes have tbw limits

[old marlin]

since it is in warranty

not an nvme

[astral haven]

ah

not an nvme is different story

its very possible to not be able to hit the tbw limit on a sata drive

[old marlin]

500TBW

is easily possible in 5 years

[astral haven]

oh yea thats not much

[old marlin]

doesn't matter though

since it isn't included in the warranty

and just what they rated the drive at

[ashen spindle]

im just happy im able to have 3tb nvme storage for like 250 in my pc

price are so far down compare to some years ago

[astral haven]

"There’s one more choice you need to make, and it’s a choice you might not have had to make before: the SSD endurance level. SSD endurance is the total amount of data that an SSD is guaranteed to be able to write under warranty, often specified in “TBW” or “DWPD” (which we’ll discuss a little later)."
from wds blog

[shadow minnow]

I hope I will not reach the 1400tbw any time soon. But with speed of my wifi, I do not think I should worry about it even if I used it as swap memory. Although from what I have heard using optane like swap memory could be better and cheaper, without decreasing my SSDs lifespan

[astral haven]

optane can handle abuse

sadly its spensiv

[old marlin]

gotta dig up the right page again

all their official warranty information does not include TBW

[shadow minnow]

Well, 32 gb optane which is imo enough for swap is for 40€ which is not that bad, compared to buying ram

[astral haven]

yea but its alot slower than ram

for $40 you can get 40gb of nvme slc

[shadow minnow]

It is, but it has access speeds lot higher than ssd, although still slower than ram

[astral haven]

no

the optane that plugs into an nvme slot acts exactly like an nvme

its slightly faster sometimes, but its still an ssd

[shadow minnow]

But it is faster and will not make my ssd durability lower so why not to use it

[astral haven]

use it?
sure

buy it?
no

shit like this exists

these things are rated for constant writes for 4 years straight at nvmeish speeds

[old marlin]

[astral haven]

the optane modules cant handle that

[halcyon moss]

cant tell from the pic, is that a ddr3/4 thing?

[astral haven]

nope

its a pcie card

[old marlin]

getting thsoe to work in windows correctly can be a pain afaik

[shadow minnow]

MLC, sounds like ssd

[astral haven]

eh its fine

yea its an ssd

this is just a cheap example

you can get a proper nvme ssd too

[old marlin]

my brother only got his to work in linux since he coincidentally knew the guy that sold them to HP

[astral haven]

i was able to set mine up without any issues

and i have the janky one that is 2 of them on one board

[old marlin]

mayeb a different gen

[halcyon moss]

you have pcie cards where you plug in memory sticks..

[ebon venture]

mlc,expensive

[astral haven]

here
random mlc drive on ebay

mlc is alot cheaper than optane lmao

[reef tundra]

Does it have an cache?

[astral haven]

yup

i spy nanya ddr3

[old marlin]

does it have a capacity rated anywhere?

ah

120gb

[astral haven]

yup and its rated for 120tbw vs the 180 of the optane

so its not quiite as durable but its muuuuch faster

the optane 32gb modules are ultra slow

and its 100% the fault of the controller

but its still slow

[shadow minnow]

Idk where are you finding it but I see these pcie iodrives, 160gb only for 400€

[astral haven]

new

used they cheap

[shadow minnow]

But also, it is slow read and write but not access speed

[astral haven]

access latency is still nvme level

[ashen spindle]

Optane has like 4 variants out of them 3 are useless and 1 is great in server use but expensive even for there iirc

[astral haven]

actually optane is pretty cheap for what it is in server

[astral haven]

compared to mlc ssds its pretty much the same price per tbw

[old marlin]

fast server storage is always expensive

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ ikas name a single workload that uses it

[old marlin]

that is a GPU

[ashen spindle]

M8 that’s a gpu

[old marlin]

with an included SSD

[astral haven]

and that amd garbo is a ripoff its just 4 normal tlc ssds 😦

not even mlc

yes im aware

[old marlin]

not a ripoff

just a weird usecase

[astral haven]

a friend of mine bought one

and its terrible

tlc

on a "pro" product

and it wasnt even good tlc it was toshiba garbo

[ashen spindle]

Yeah it’s from amd from before the last generations

[old marlin]

toshiba

they finally discovered MAMR

[reef tundra]

A what now? sounds like a car manufacturer

[old marlin]

don't even remember what gen that card is

vega?

[astral haven]

its vega

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/sega-sega-logo-logo-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-gif-17589254

[old marlin]

lol

can you swap the SSDs?

[astral haven]

its literally a plx chip stapled to vega with 4 nvme ssds on the back

yup

[shadow minnow]

[ashen spindle]

Also nobody cares about what looks like a LTT benchmark about SSDs

[old marlin]

is that a 64 or 56 btw

[astral haven]

fe

[old marlin]

ah

riip

[astral haven]

ya its got 16gb of actual vram

same core count as the 64

[old marlin]

HBM even

[astral haven]

yes
vega

[old marlin]

well

[astral haven]

amd advertises it as "up to 2tb of video memory"

lel

[old marlin]

I mainly meant no bs with like 8gb hbm + GDDR5 or something

eh

I mean

the gpu can directly access it

[astral haven]

yea and it wasnt good

nope yamato

[old marlin]

afaik

[astral haven]

sadly

[old marlin]

oof

well nvm then

[astral haven]

its just normal stuff

[old marlin]

thought that was the point of the product

[astral haven]

you could get the exact same effect if you had a second pcie x16 slot and plugged an m.2 x4 riser into it

[shadow minnow]

But also with the new things like rtx io GPU will be able to directly access SSDs anywhere so it makes the amd GPU even more pointless imo

[old marlin]

?

amd had that first

[astral haven]

yea no

[old marlin]

also

[shadow minnow]

I mean, the amd GPU with onboard SSDs

[old marlin]

benefits of that were small

[astral haven]

small right now

[old marlin]

no I mean direct access

[astral haven]

yes

small right now

[old marlin]

marginal benefits as well irc

[astral haven]

but as games start to actually take advantage of it, it will allow for stuff that wasnt at all possible before

[old marlin]

doubt it will make a huge difference

with so few people actually having cards that can do it

due to shortages

[ashen spindle]

this tech will be better in 5 years so it makes the 5 year old hardware pointless

[astral haven]

nvidia has sold a million cards between the 3080 and 3090

[ashen spindle]

Yeah I hope it does at that point lmao

[old marlin]

to whom though

[astral haven]

steam users

check the steam hardware survey

[old marlin]

what percentage does that even make

[astral haven]

1

[old marlin]

so only 99% of users need to buy new gpus

[astral haven]

no

[old marlin]

at inflated prices

[old marlin]

can't

[astral haven]

first its coming to pascal and later last i checked

[old marlin]

is blocked in the wifi I am in

[astral haven]

and it should be coming to rdna and later

[analog aspen]

After some extensive search I found out my RVU have mushy clicks recent batches improved with new clicky click like on the Viper Mini. Now I’m mad

[old marlin]

the viper mini got the update last

[analog aspen]

[analog aspen]

Fml

[astral haven]

the 3070 and rx6x00 series didnt get picked up

i thought i had seen the 3070 before but i guess not

[reef tundra]

unobtainium

[ashen spindle]

Rx makes sense but 3070 is weird not to be on the list

[astral haven]

it aint there

[ashen spindle]

Weird, it makes sense to be sold out but should be much higher volume than 3090

[astral haven]

nah nvidia didnt have many of them

nvidia always sells a ton of the flagship

3% of steam has 1080tis

2080ti is 1%

1.7%

flagship gaming card

[ashen spindle]

I mean from a pure production standpoint, 3070 is like 40% smaller so much lower defect rate and you can make more on the same wafer

[astral haven]

but makes less money per wafer

i thought that i had actually seen the 6900xt on there but well

i cant read obviously

well

in this market gamers will buy anything that exists

[shadow minnow]

I was planning to buy 3090 even for that price but when I saw the performance gain... rather bought an Apple Watch and going for 3080/ti

[astral haven]

ye 3090 is for peeps who ran out of vram

do i still have the picture where i had an app using 12tb of virtual vram?

[shadow minnow]

Or for peeps who have money for it and would buy 3080 but only see 3090 in stock so buy it to have some GPU

[astral haven]

lel

[shadow minnow]

But I am afraid if 10gb will be enough for modded games at 4K

[astral haven]

ran out of vram, then ran out of system ram, then filled all of the caches i had given it before crashing

32gb card would be slower than the 3090

48gb maybe

but it would be practically the same speed

also it already exists

[shadow minnow]

Well, mining etherum would certainly make you money for it in some time

[astral haven]

its called the a6000

in theory the 3090 cant pay for itself at msrp before the ethereum pos happens

its gold dude

what more do you want

wut

aaanyways tldr is dont buy optane 32gb modules they are shit

only reason would be for long term storage

since in theory the stuff lasts 100 years

wut

[fickle ore]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/lzqg7m/just_updated_my_bios_to_agesa_1201_with_almost/

yay my tomahawk has 1.2.0.1 already (beta tho)

[ashen spindle]

Idk doesn’t seem like a version that actually does anything

Unless you care about Aida results

[astral haven]

do it help with usb

[ashen spindle]

Nah

[fickle ore]

yeah just fixed AIDA L3 numbers and MSI x570 tomahawk bios states "improved ryzen cpu performance" and ppl reported getting slightly higher OC

[astral haven]

nothing about the whea either?

[fickle ore]

Nope

[astral haven]

oh nvm it does

[fickle ore]

it does?

[astral haven]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/support-hardware/AMD-Machine-Check-Exception---X550-and-X570-Chipsets-2080/
dunno might not have been this agesa

[shadow minnow]

DJI FPV looks really cool. Also the 10km range for hd video sounds really Pog

[astral haven]

yea its older

[halcyon moss]

european drone regulation changed significantly this year

[reef tundra]

Wasnt it because there were enough incidents of idiots flying drones near airports that they had to do this?

Big laser works aswell :)

[cursive summit]

Locke aren't you American?

Are hogs still a problem in some counties?

[wheat plume]

Why the trigger and handguard area remind me of an fn2000?

Or p90

[old marlin]

what do you mean with "problem" exactly

also southern france

[cursive summit]

There was a big infestation of hogs apparently in U.S

[old marlin]

ah

[cursive summit]

I think it was in Texas they permitted hunts all year round with no regulations

Plenty of vids of people exploding them, or splattering them with .50 BMG, and now I'm left wondering if they are still even a problem anymore

[ashen spindle]

are you talking about the 30-50 feral hogs in someones yard?

[cursive summit]

https://www.amazon.com/OTO-Eat-Chicken-Graphics-Card/dp/B07T8CQMNB

This card makes me question my sexuality

[old marlin]

eat chicken

[shadow minnow]

I am wondering how much tbw would using ssd for swap take per year. Noticed only that only 40 tb have been written on laptop I Have been using for over 3 years with swap, so maybe it would not be anything noticeable on 1400tbw disk to have swap on. But also different OS

[crisp granite]

type: popular version

because who wouldn't use the popular version

and RX 560, made by NVidia?

2gb card? (RX 560 is 4gb)

too many holes in these scam cards nowadays

can't they just lie on the specs sheets as well as the GPU in question?

[cursive summit]

https://i.imgur.com/S2eO0pd.jpg

[old marlin]

[umbral knot]

that's a steal

[halcyon moss]

that cant be real

1660 is about 970 speeds right?

ohwait, super, so better

[umbral knot]

with shortages everywhere pc part prices are wacky right now

[wheat plume]

you saying I have a 970?

[halcyon moss]

what? no? i have one in my basement

[old marlin]

If you have a 1660, in terms of pure gpu perf yes

Non-whack vram though

[wheat plume]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[halcyon moss]

yup..

but the super is better right?

[ashen spindle]

yup

[old marlin]

You'd hope so

[zenith sonnet]

Isn't there like 10 different versions of the 1660?

[halcyon moss]

im not sure what i'd do with my 970 doing nothing

[zenith sonnet]

Depending of what die it's cut from?

[old marlin]

Think so

[reef patrol]

That's a neat eGPU enclosure

[wheat plume]

:')

[wheat plume]

I need to learn python struct module by tomorrow....Mainly pack and unpack
how long would that take? and what would I need to know before that?

[ashen spindle]

given I have never used python, first gogole results was fairly expressive on what it is and a day should be more than enough

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16537/amd-to-launch-3rd-generation-epyc-on-march-15th-milan-with-zen-3 epyc on the 15th, rx 6700xt on the 18th

and rocket lake supposedly on the 16th?

quite a packed week

[misty saffron]

i wonder if intel will convince anyone to buy their products again

[crisp granite]

one of my buddies is dead set on getting a 11700k

so, they got one sale there

[crimson wigeon]

Excellent, keeps them in business

[ashen spindle]

Well you can already buy those

[crisp granite]

right

but

I'm set on getting a ryzen 9 next time I go CPU shopping

[crimson wigeon]

When's new THREADRIPPER

[zenith sonnet]

Didn't they just release 3 new models?

3995WX, 3975WX and 3945WX

[crimson wigeon]

I want mah Zen3 rippers

[crisp granite]

ZEN3 GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[crimson wigeon]

threads go BRRRRR

[fair gull]

i want a new epyc proc

[misty saffron]

just connected a thunderbolt device into my gpu's usb-c port and the image on second monitor started jittering... nice

[halcyon moss]

i thought usb-c would be that connection to save humanity.. but i lost faith in it..

i thought it'd be cheaper, but its a lot more expensive

i miss my old docking station -_-

[misty saffron]

at least the port works

[pale sigil]

It's honestly really nice that we can say this now after so long...

[crisp granite]

amd FX go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

jk

[pale sigil]

you barely even use your current one

[crisp granite]

that shit just sputters along

[reef patrol]

One thread for every active chunk on the server.

[misty saffron]

is there any way to scale content down on an lg tv?

really don’t wanna play switch games that way on 55 inches

[fair gull]

just

sit back a bit

[fair gull]

i dont have one

dual epyc server would be dope

[pale sigil]

Well. You rent one

[crisp granite]

buy an Epyc

surely you can write it off as a business expense?

[fair gull]

i could yes

but

that means not having it at home

[crisp granite]

it was a trick my pa did, to save stupid amounts on tech

he ran his business out of his basement

[fair gull]

well save to say the financial government bodies are rather strict on small businesses cause we cant pay the hush money

[halcyon moss]

with home working these days.. why not?

[proper crystal]

It would have to be official place of business.

(usually, in most countries)

[fair gull]

cause my job has no option of a home workplace

[halcyon moss]

Do they actually check though?

[fair gull]

yes

[zenith sonnet]

Just install the server racks in your bathroom

[fair gull]

lol

[reef tundra]

use the server racks to dry your drying towel

[reef patrol]

Someone selling this.

So tempted.

[crimson wigeon]

YES! Fill it with disc drives!

[reef tundra]

Beige

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16533/intel-microsoft-darpa-to-build-silicon-for-fully-homomorphic-encryption-this-is-important thats cool

[crisp granite]

I'm a simple doge

I see darpa, I panic

[reef patrol]

Homomorphic? Damn gays taking all the science.

[crisp granite]

hey

we aren't all bad

[ashen spindle]

[reef patrol]

[reef tundra]

The gay agenda strikes again taking no prisoners.

Will somebody think about the children?

Get thrown of a building for it.. ez pz

[crisp granite]

@cursive summit

someone else has your playbook

[reef tundra]

That is more middle east manners

Ottoman empire 3.0?

what happend to the second?

[cursive summit]

What

She wasn't my best friend

[crisp granite]

dude

you told me you befriended someone

and then dated them

[cursive summit]

BEST FRIEND though

She was far from a best friend

[reef tundra]

Beast fiend

[crisp granite]

and now she's more than that to you

[cursive summit]

Yep

[reef tundra]

A MICROWAVE

[cursive summit]

Fiancee, soulmate, best friend (now)

[reef tundra]

HMMMMMM

[crisp granite]

mhm

I have one

and never use it

[reef tundra]

Microwaves are the gift of Gods

[crisp granite]

I have an oven and a stovetop

[cursive summit]

I have a super microwave

[crisp granite]

good enough for me

[cursive summit]

Microwave/oven

My microwave does both radioactive raying and also oven cooking

[crisp granite]

good one

[reef tundra]

Defuq are you using?

[crisp granite]

did you know: microwaves are the bane of humanity?

[cursive summit]

Some Samsung oven

[reef tundra]

Microwaves are not radioactive

[crisp granite]

methinks he makes his microwave popcorn in an enrichment chamber

[cursive summit]

Oh I found it

[crisp granite]

which leads to another question

how the fuck have you not died yet?

nah, I just hate how it sogs out any food and ruins the original taste, as well as overcooks whatever you put inside

[reef tundra]

Which has little to no proof to actually exist. atleast they need to be aware of being in the pressence to complain

[crisp granite]

mine doesn't have that

and it's fairly new

plus, I never use it

[reef tundra]

Just put 230v on the food and cook it with the plasma arcs

[crisp granite]

I just put my food in the toaster for a bit to reheat it

[cursive summit]

Man my toaster is my microwave

Man I love my microwave

It does fucken everything

[reef tundra]

I just eat it cold

[crisp granite]

like, when I make breaded fish fillets, microwaving it ruins the crispiness of the breading, and overcooks the fuck out of the fish

[cursive summit]

Ye

[crisp granite]

mhm, but cold cooked fish is meh imo

you either eat fish raw and cold

or cooked and hot

[reef tundra]

Id rather not risk an investation of parasites and process it somewhat

[crisp granite]

well

usually the fish is flash frozen to kill anything on it

[reef tundra]

*when done for atleast so many hours