🔌│tech

[pale sigil]

ive never done this before

xD

[halcyon moss]

Plenty of germs on this discord

[reef patrol]

"germs"

https://tenor.com/view/face-mask-guns-redneck-hazmat-gif-16608474

[halcyon moss]

🇩🇪

[pale sigil]

12.096v in windows

[reef tundra]

Also it is not sane to ask costumers to test power supplies

[ashen spindle]

[reef tundra]

Its a fire hazard

[pale sigil]

also 12 years warranty

xD

cant just say ye send it in

to every customer

[reef tundra]

Will they take responsibility when the costumer shorts something out and creates an fire?

[reef patrol]

If you're asking a customer to take out a fucking multimeter, you're not working in support for long 😛

[sudden glacier]

time to ask people to measure voltages in their wootings

[pale sigil]

oh

my voltage hit 11

[reef tundra]

Plus there is mains wiring which you dont want anyone near without knowledge of it

[ashen spindle]

..I doubt they are asking him to poke around in the psu with pins

[pale sigil]

wtf

how is it using less voltage

when im playing games

[reef tundra]

Higher loads

[pale sigil]

oh

i dont understand voltage

i guess?

i assumed it would be higher

[reef tundra]

its not an ideal power source and thus the output voltage will drop when the current increases

[ashen spindle]

because the 12v is not exclusive for the gpu?

if it were it wouldn't be from the board

[pale sigil]

is there any way i can graph this

to monitor how often it changes

@ashen spindle

[ashen spindle]

uhh you can log it yeah

[pale sigil]

how

[reef tundra]

Digital osciliscopes can do that nowadays. Although they start pretty pricy and are special measurement equipment

[ashen spindle]

uhh idk poke around in the settings

since you probably just want to log 12v and not everything it shows

[pale sigil]

ah you need pro

[ashen spindle]

..no?

at least not to log it, idk about displaying it nicer

[pale sigil]

xD

hwinfo crashed

[ashen spindle]

now you're breaking the hardware and the software at the same time smh

[reef tundra]

According to ATX specification version 2.2 the +12VDC can have an tolerance of ~5%. Meaning it might be anywhere from 11.4v to 12.6v to meet specification. As long as it holds that voltage it should be fine.

[pale sigil]

I just saw the voltage change

3 times within seconds

And stutter happened in game

[reef tundra]

What was the voltage then?

[pale sigil]

Keeps switching between 11.975 Jd 80

[ashen spindle]

(keep in mind it's a sensort somwhere on the board probably so not as good as if you could get it from a multimeter or similar )

[reef tundra]

Sensors that measure voltages is trivial and cheap tbh.

The voltage should be within norm. How are the 5 and 3.3 volt rails doing?

[pale sigil]

damn

it dropped to 11.788

voltage changed 650 times

in 21 minutes

[reef tundra]

Still within tolerance and there will always be noise on the measurement. Especially when you have an dynamic load like an computer

[pale sigil]

hmm

yes i guess but

everytime i did

i stuttered

and readings are not accurate like quinntosh said

as a meter

point is

it dropped below

[reef tundra]

Unless it is an 7.5 digit one it doesnt matter

[pale sigil]

what they see as safe

it dropped below 11.8v more than a lot of times within a few seconds

[ashen spindle]

yes but that could be variation caused by a cheap sensor for example

[pale sigil]

which they said should not happen

ye

[ashen spindle]

because you are not getting this from a multimeter directly

[pale sigil]

thats the annoying part here

What should i say

to evga

[crisp granite]

pSU nO WOrkY

[ashen spindle]

idk what you want from it

[crisp granite]

ReFunD

[reef tundra]

Nah, that aint how voltage sensors(ADCs) work.

[crisp granite]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[pale sigil]

I mean

they asked for a response

i just wanna know why the fuck my system

is cursed

[ashen spindle]

well then reply?

[crisp granite]

833

[pale sigil]

after testing ram/cpu/gpu/ssd etc

[crisp granite]

that number

no

[misty pier]

what did you do to your computer

[pale sigil]

how does one test mobo

[ashen spindle]

by using a different component that works, or your component on a working board

[reef tundra]

Also it is a switching power supply so it should try and maintain some voltage as the load changes around. Could be that the psu is lagging behind with its feedback resulting in brownouts

[pale sigil]

i would but ihave no other boards

[ashen spindle]

well then reply to evga and maybe they send a new psu

[reef tundra]

Might also be that they cheaped out on the output smoothing capacitors so it wont be able to suddenly react to an spike in power usage. Which would cause dips in the measured voltage temporairly

[pale sigil]

meh i just sent them the log

and said what i was doing etc

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

My friend thinks i should get a psu, try it and see if the issue goes then return

but thats just

ooft

no

[crisp granite]

do it

[pale sigil]

i fucking dread if its my cpu but nothing really suggests it is

[reef tundra]

maybe the friendly nearby computer repairshop will allow you to hook up to test it

[pale sigil]

last time i had an issue with stutter/freezing was my cpu

but there were other signs

such as idle temps being 70c lol

[pale sigil]

dont really exist here

[reef tundra]

That is a little high

[pale sigil]

ye lol

Intel said it was acceptable

as it was below 95c

i had to moan at them

for a replacement

[crisp granite]

intel chips be furnaces atm

ryzen go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[pale sigil]

7700k

[reef tundra]

Silicone wont complain much but when the chip is doing fuck all the temp should be around 40

[pale sigil]

ye

it was rough

worse than even now

for games

it was just unbearable

[crisp granite]

wait

[pale sigil]

oh

wow that was fast

[reef tundra]

my ryzen cpu is 43 now

[pale sigil]

evga replied

[crisp granite]

intel 7--- chips use thermal paste right?

[reef tundra]

at full tilt it is around 83c

[pale sigil]

RMA

[reef tundra]

air cooled

[pale sigil]

they want me to rma it

😄

[crisp granite]

try replacing it with some thermal grizz conductonaut

[reef tundra]

heat conducting toothpaste

[pale sigil]

Mad that

could it be an auto response

haha

"Important: Please note that you have to send your item without cables, accessories and in factory condition."

o.0

[reef tundra]

factory new?

[pale sigil]

"Also, please do not use the original Box for shipping if you would like to keep it."

o.0

[reef tundra]

"Aka. we dont give a shit about the box it will be compacted on arival"

[pale sigil]

ye

lol

im gonna do advanced rma

i cant go without my pc for days

😒

[ashen spindle]

just use PoE to power it

[misty pier]

that’s smart

[pale sigil]

i... dont get it?

[reef tundra]

The CPU didnt aswell

[reef patrol]

That's quite normal tbh.

[pale sigil]

im gonna anyway

because i have no other boxes

😄

[reef tundra]

Cheaper to make a new box and put it in that than check the condition of the box and make a new one anyways as it is not in mint condition

[reef patrol]

Yup.

Also often safer to send stuff in brown boxes.

[pale sigil]

shame tbh

i loved this PSU

i hope whatever they replace it with is just as nice

😄

[reef tundra]

Workers less likely to yoink it off the conveyorbelt

[reef patrol]

I would always reverse sleeve boxes when shipping if possible. Because a box labelled "RTX 2080" is a tempting steal 😄

We even considered using a big tape dispenser to cloak monitor boxes.

But decided against, since it ruined the box inside.

[reef tundra]

Put an GPS tracker in a rtx3080 box and ship it. Report as stolen with gps location

[pale sigil]

god damn right i will be

😄

[reef patrol]

Then wait 4 years for the police to do anything.

[reef tundra]

That is what bribes are for

[reef patrol]

I remember a recent case here in Denmark that just illustrated how little Police cares about theft.

A guy had his eBike stolen. With GPS and all.

He tracked it down to a place that looked like a chopshop for bikes. Took a photo from over a wall of it (the actual bike) and called police.

[pale sigil]

tbf afaik

[reef patrol]

They... said they couldn't do anything.

[reef tundra]

Should have slipped the chief an one hundo

[pale sigil]

a lot of companies prefer to just rma than look further into the issue

[reef patrol]

Literal evidence and no work 😄

[pale sigil]

also

i know corsair do this a lot

christ

[reef tundra]

Lmao

That just asks for a barely filled in form

I aint filling it in again

gree

[pale sigil]

ill relog

[reef tundra]

"It broke, you fix"

[pale sigil]

omfg

cant even get to the forum now

[reef tundra]

Banned?

Cant have dissenters in the ranks

[pale sigil]

"Session Expired

Unfortunately, your session has expired. Please click here to restart the RMA submission process. Please note that once you have begun the RMA submission process, you will have approximately 20 minutes to complete the process, as after 20 minutes, your session expires due to security restrictions. If you are still having problems with an RMA submission, please contact our Customer Service or call us at 888-881-EVGA (3842) option 2, Monday through Friday between the hours of 9:00AM - 5:30PM Pacific Time.

You can look up EVGA Customer Support in your region by click here

Return to RMA Submission Form"

so now i have to wait 20 min?

[ashen spindle]

..no?

20 minutes to complete the filling out

[reef tundra]

20 minutes to tell them, that they are bad and they should feel bad now

[pale sigil]

fuck me

failed again

I GOT THROUGH

[reef tundra]

Nah not now

[pale sigil]

ite

now i just wait

for them to approve it

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/B6bN_T92SYY

[wheat plume]

damn it DVD

[proper crystal]

Oh, are you roleplaying the Ring?

[wheat plume]

F in chat for my Chamber of Secrets DVD ;-;

It lived a long life

[neat oriole]

This is why you rip your DVD to a digital file the minute you get it

[reef tundra]

Doesnt vinyl suffer from wear a lot? the more you play it the worse it sounds

[wheat plume]

^^

[neat oriole]

It does

But some people like vinyl that sounds “worse” because it’s more vinyl-y

[reef patrol]

Yes and no.

Vinyl is analog after all 😄

Whereas a tiny scratch in the DVD will cause a complete frame failure.

[reef tundra]

Does anyone know an good connector with at least 9 conductors and able to carry 5 amps or so?

Probably some DB-9 or DB-15 connector would be suitable. Maybe an USB-C or ethernet..

[neat oriole]

Some people like the sound of dirty vinyls, usually caused by dirt and other small dust particles clogging up the grooves.

If your vinyl is starting to pop and crack too much it means it’s dirty

[latent mural]

so i bought the lekker and the HE but if i want to buy another keyboard purely for a very clicky set of switches. which one should i buy?for tharapeutic purposes. budget preferably around 200

[doesnt have to be wooting could be different ]

[neat oriole]

Box navy about as clicky as it gets

Idk if any board offers those as defaults?

You might be better off getting a barebones and installing the switches yourself

[latent mural]

you werent kidding holy crap

[neat oriole]

I know drop offers their keebs with box white which are a lighter less clicky version

But then you have to deal with drop keyboards

You could get box white, light blue, pink, and navy depending on how much click you want

I’d stay away from the box jade as the spring is too light for the heavy click bar and the switch can feel a bit sluggish on the up-stroke

[astral haven]

pinks are halfway between jade and white

i really love them

i still main coppers but the pinks are alot clickier

[neat oriole]

Iirc the copper had a weird bump location right? Like the location didn’t match with the actuation point

[astral haven]

nah it was just weak click

sound wasnt as good as the box whites

but it was speed so 1.2mm actuation

click was around 1.3mm so it is possible to actuate without a click but its not easy

[old marlin]

Actually box jades are more tactile and clicky

Because the clickbar is the same the bump is larger in comparison to the rest of the travel

[astral haven]

they feel very similarly tactile to me 🤷‍♂️

if you press slow enough i guess it might feel more different?

[neat oriole]

Im sure someone typing at regular speeds is going to notice the checks note 3g difference in tactility.

They’re more likely to notice the lighter spring being a bit too weak to clear the click bar on the upstroke in a crisp manner

[astral haven]

nah its a solid 20g difference

[neat oriole]

The drop is 43gf vs 40gf

I’m referring to the graph from hataa

On the jade it goes from something like 63gf to 20gf, on the navy it goes from something like 77gf to 37gf

[astral haven]

jade is ~20g of tactility out of ~50g
navy is ~20g of tactility out of ~100g

thats 50% more relative tactility

[old marlin]

has been fixed with crystal jades btw

[astral haven]

oh not cheap

[neat oriole]

So the crystals have a heavier spring

[astral haven]

ill have to wait for their sample pack to come back in stock

[old marlin]

would be my guess

might also be some more optimized stems that can clear the click bar better

[astral haven]

""

[neat oriole]

Hmmm the drop down menu has the spring weighting the same as the regular Jade

[astral haven]

doesnt have to be much heavier

tho the exact same number is kinda -_-

[ashen spindle]

https://blurbusters.com/oculus-goes-from-strength-to-strength-as-120hz-imminent-and-quest-pro-possibly-on-the-horizon/ well still facebook, but hey, at least take their money and make something with it I guess

[cursive summit]

Oculus as a company is prolly quite good

[wheat plume]

I don't want to buy anything from them though

[cursive summit]

It's just that they are owned by a shitty supercompany that's thirsty af for your information

[wheat plume]

Yep

[ashen spindle]

go ahead and buy the index instead then

[wheat plume]

This is why

[cursive summit]

How about no

[astral haven]

those definetly arent mutually exclusive statements lel

[ashen spindle]

only costs a fraction more

[wheat plume]

I would buy the index
If I had that much disposable income

I like the quests ;_; but I am not buying one cause facebook

[cursive summit]

Buy a Reverb G2 with the Index Knuckles and Lighthouses if you want inside out tracking

[astral haven]

idk tho, how much does a gym membership cost

g2 + knuckles costs more than index

[wheat plume]

€90 at my college .-.

They forced us to pay it

Even if we don't use the gym

[astral haven]

ah

ripo

[cursive summit]

Base package of Reverb with the reverb controllers is much lower than Index

[astral haven]

yes

[cursive summit]

If you were to add knuckles and lighthouses on top then maybe

[astral haven]

knuckles themselves are EXPENSIV

[cursive summit]

But it's a much much superior product to the Index

[astral haven]

lighthouses arent cheap

wut

[cursive summit]

Reverb G2 fucks Index, it's just a better product

[astral haven]

uh

[cursive summit]

All it has is better refresh rate

[ashen spindle]

the issue with that is, I don't really like spending much on a company that might abandon the line entirely and then im stuck with a product with no support if something breaks and I dont think HP are very commited to XR yet

[astral haven]

not just better refresh rate

its 5x greater motion clarity

[cursive summit]

No internal tracking, much smaller resolution

[astral haven]

no internal tracking is an advantage to most people

only disadvantages are resolution and price

[halcyon moss]

inside-out tracking*

[cursive summit]

Resolution for me is the main advantage

I own the Quest 2 which is already higher than the Index iirc

I can't handle the res, not good enough

[astral haven]

same res

well index is higher but also higher fov

[cursive summit]

Isn't Index like 1280 or something while Quest 2 is at 1600?

[astral haven]

index and quest are both 1440p

[cursive summit]

Actually they are not

1440×1600 for Index

1832 x 1920 for Q2

[astral haven]

wtf?

why did they downgrade the q2 so much?

[cursive summit]

I knew for a fact Q2 had a higher reso since I was doing research before buying a VR

"Downgrade"

Man you are weird

[astral haven]

oh i cant read

[cursive summit]

Reverb G2 sits at a phenomenal 2160x2160 per eye

90 Hz frequency is also really good already

[astral haven]

frequency isnt the most important aspect of speed

mprt is

and the index is .2ms

where the best ive seen oculus claim is "double the cv1" which was 2ms

oh no nvm someone tested it and its .3ms

ok nvm oculus did their homework

why would they not advertise that lol

[cursive summit]

MPRT matters now?

[astral haven]

wdym?

mprt = blur

[cursive summit]

There's literally no difference between 4ms and 1ms mprt fuck's the difference

[astral haven]

and i just said that oculus actually did get the mprt right even tho they dont advertise it

[cursive summit]

Like as long as it's not 10ms it's good and indiscernable

[astral haven]

limit of human vision for perceptibly wrong mprt is .05ms

there was a study done about this

[cursive summit]

If you are a trained eye or something

[astral haven]

nope

[cursive summit]

Oh and Quest 2 is getting 120Hz refresh mode this month or something

[astral haven]

"over 50% of the participants could detect 10khz" which is the equivalent of .01 ms mprt

[ashen spindle]

yes thats literally the article I linked that started all this, 120hz coming soon lmao

[astral haven]

ye

solid improvements

[cursive summit]

We are talking about sub-1ms time here

1ms barely matters, how do you even perceive .05ms

[astral haven]

its complicated

[ashen spindle]

partly because it's not a one time thing but a somewhat consistent delay which makes it much more noticeable

[astral haven]

its unrelated to delay

this is motion blur

[ashen spindle]

delay as in delay for it to change color was what I meant

[cursive summit]

Just disable motion blur

[astral haven]

not what we are talking about quin

[cursive summit]

kappa

[ashen spindle]

hmm am I mistaking mprt with something else?

[astral haven]

delay for both of these to change color is well over 5ms

but that doesnt matter since that just has to be under the refresh rate

[cursive summit]

Yeah this is getting out of hand at this point

[astral haven]

mprt is the amount of time the image is displayed per frame

[fickle ore]

tldr; still shit and not worthy

[astral haven]

nah

[ashen spindle]

ohh yeye right I was mixing things up

[astral haven]

.3ms mprt is solidly acceptable

its not quite as good as the index (and i can get the index to blur without having to move that fast)

but as long as you arent paying that close attention it should look pretty good

[cursive summit]

Hold up so the image is displayed for .3 of a milisecond, but the pixel refresh rate is like, above 1 ms, so what's inbetween those 2 intervals? Black void?

[astral haven]

yup

[cursive summit]

[astral haven]

eyes are jank

[cursive summit]

So in practice the higher the mprt the better it is

Less black void

[fickle ore]

no

[astral haven]

no?

[fickle ore]

the other way around

[astral haven]

you cant actually see any blanking

basically higher mprt = higher motion blur created by the display

for vr that is entirely 100% unacceptable

refresh rate is how smooth the images are

or how fast an object has to move before it breaks up into a bunch of objects in your vision

[fickle ore]

imagine increasing fps so high that the time black frame is displayer is smaller than pixel refresh time = where we currently are with desktop monitors...

[astral haven]

no

[fickle ore]

yes

[astral haven]

desktop monitors dont use black frames 99% of the time

and they never do by default

[fickle ore]

google BFI

[astral haven]

zero monitors have that enabled by default

and if they do the maker deserves to go out of business

[fickle ore]

suddenly you decided we talk about default configurations?

[astral haven]

and or get sued

[fickle ore]

ok then

[astral haven]

bfi is not something that a user will encounter

blur reduction tech is solidly in the realm of the enthusiast

except for in vr

where it is required lel

[fickle ore]

ok let me rephrase for your pleasure; imagine increasing fps so high that pixel response time is higher than displayed frames on currently sold displays e.g 240/360hz.

permanent blur is how we like to see frames

[astral haven]

blur equal to refresh rate

wait the quest 2 is in stock?

hunh

solid work from that procurement team

[zenith sonnet]

But, no?

Or what did I misunderstand?

[astral haven]

i dunno what if anything you misunderstood, dag here is worse at explaining than even me

[zenith sonnet]

[reef patrol]

https://i.imgur.com/YNgwIcR.mp4 Gen-Z trying to make sense of Millineal tech.

[foggy solstice]

CDs dying is a small loss in history.

[misty saffron]

speaking of

are there ANY modern pc cases with 3.5 inch bays

[ashen spindle]

lancool 215

lancool 2 mesh

(I know that because I removed the one from mine )

[misty saffron]

i mean a floppy drive bay

[pale sigil]

Such a fugly case

[ashen spindle]

dont care

[reef patrol]

"modern"

One would argue any case with that isn't a modern design. Might be an active retail product but the design is very 2000s 😄

[ashen spindle]

cheap, good airflow

[pale sigil]

I was about to say can we let hdds die

But oh boy

[reef patrol]

HDDs still have a use 😄

[pale sigil]

For personal computers

Let em die

[misty saffron]

laughs in 2 8tb drives

[ashen spindle]

like give me a case in the same price area that I could've gotten over the mesh 2

[pale sigil]

I use drives in a NAS

[reef patrol]

I personally don't want to spend a fortune on SSDs that are +3TB 😛

[pale sigil]

What do you store on the hdds

[misty saffron]

how much are 8tb hdds now anyways?

i remember buying them for $250 each

[reef patrol]

Movies and stuff. NAS's are a luxury product, not common household stock 😄

[ashen spindle]

200 for a NAS 8tb drive I think

[reef patrol]

Depends on performance.

CMS vs SMR.

[pale sigil]

NAS is hardly luxary anymore

[misty saffron]

porn

[pale sigil]

Extremely affordable

[reef patrol]

It's not a question of affordability but whether or not people HAVE them 😄

[ashen spindle]

150 for consumer 8tb hdd from seagate

[misty saffron]

wtf

i have a seagate and paid 250

to be fair that was a while ago

[pale sigil]

Hdd prices are just

Ugh

[reef patrol]

300€ for a RED NAS drive that's CMR.

[pale sigil]

Dropping every year

[reef patrol]

You REALLY don't want SMR 😄

[pale sigil]

It's so stupid that nvme and ssds are still similar prices

[ashen spindle]

I think the ironwolf seagates are cmr and it's 200 for them?

[pale sigil]

How are ssds still so high in price

[ashen spindle]

because the nand is the expensive stuff not the formfactor?

[reef patrol]

My bad. Sorted by popularity.

Not a single webshop lists CMR/SMR except on high end server disks.

Lovely 😄

[pale sigil]

My NAS is using server disks

[ashen spindle]

well usually all NAS grade stuff has CMR, hence the outrage when WD used SMR on the reds without declaring it anywhere

[misty saffron]

i got that one https://www.newegg.com/seagate-barracuda-st8000dm004-8tb/p/N82E16822183793

pretty sure that's cmr

[reef patrol]

Oh boy was that a fun news cycle.

[pale sigil]

I didn't get a NAS hdd combo

I judt got the empty NAS and my own drives

[reef patrol]

It's SMR, Hollow

[pale sigil]

5400rpm

Fucking snail

[misty saffron]

ah

too bad

it works just fine for what i use it for

downloads, movies and porn

[ashen spindle]

https://www.amazon.de/ST4000VNZ08-IronWolf-internal-frustration-free-packaging/dp/B07YF6DKS2?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1 this would be CMR for example, as its for NAS and such

[reef patrol]

It's mostly a performance concern.

[misty saffron]

the other one is just for storing shit i don't want to delete

[reef patrol]

If you ever need to recover a raid, SMR is.... painful.

[misty saffron]

https://up.hw.gl/d4LuCQWppR.png

wasn't even joking

[ashen spindle]

think 4x4TB of ironwolfs is what I put in my nas

[wheat plume]

👀

[pale sigil]

But

Seagate

[ashen spindle]

?

[reef patrol]

Super quick example from LTT.

This is the "so you lost a drive and need to rebuild the RAID data" scenario.

[ashen spindle]

whats so bad about seagate?

[reef patrol]

Them not being open about SMR and CMR 😄

Nothing wrong with the actual hardware.

[astral haven]

seagate failure rates are scary

[ashen spindle]

wasnt that WD?

seagate has it on their product websites

[misty saffron]

https://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/cmr-smr-list/

[astral haven]

both seagate and wd published which use which

[ashen spindle]

iirc seagate wasn't very open before, but didn't save in the wrong spots so their nas drives had it even if it wasn't disclosed to be CMR

and failure rates seemed to be normal from looking at backblaze's data

[astral haven]

thing i realized about backblaze is that their drives are kept in perfect condition

when i sell 40 laptops
10 of which have wd and 30 of which have seagate
and 15 of them come back and they are all seagate i get a bit suspicious

[ashen spindle]

ok but laptops are something very different from using NAS drives xD

[astral haven]

yes

ok

[reef patrol]

Only after basically being dragged through the media for it 😄

[misty saffron]

in laptops you'd expect it to fail lol

[pale sigil]

Laptop hdds are so nasty

Christ

[astral haven]

but when i buy an exos x12 and a year later its already reallocating sectors i get even more suspicious

[pale sigil]

Everytime j get a laptop j yeet em

Don't even turn then on

I just remove the hdd right away

[misty saffron]

either way if you need an hdd in a laptop you're doing something terribly wrong

[pale sigil]

Oh I have a hdd

[reef patrol]

Naw.

[astral haven]

hdd+ ssd

[pale sigil]

My ssds is only 250gb

So I replaced the dvd drive

[astral haven]

ssd and back up to hdd whenever plugged in

[pale sigil]

With a hdd

[misty saffron]

aren't ssds dirt cheap

[pale sigil]

Not when I got my last laptop

🤣

[reef patrol]

Nothing wrong with having an HDD in a laptop as long as it's non-essential data.

Aka. Dem gaems

[pale sigil]

Nah

[misty saffron]

imagine not having a dedicated ssd for games...

[pale sigil]

All games must be on ssd

[astral haven]

ssds are expensive

[reef patrol]

You grossly overestimate your average consumer 😄

[astral haven]

many hundreds of dollars per tb per year of data stored

[wheat plume]

90% of my games arent

[ashen spindle]

I NEED PCIe4.0 ssd for my 10 page word document

[astral haven]

hdds can be under $10 per year tb

[pale sigil]

I got a 500gb for my games but ran out fast

[reef patrol]

It was super hard to convince anyone coming into my store to buy a larger SSD instead of a 250GB and a 1-2TB HDD.

[astral haven]

i mean

[misty saffron]

i've convinced all my friends to buy a dedicated ssd for games

[astral haven]

benefits of large ssd arent huuge as compared to same speed smol ssd but way larger hdd

[misty saffron]

never complained afterwards

[reef patrol]

Response and loading times would disagree 😄

[ashen spindle]

new pc has 3TB of pure pcie SSD space

[old marlin]

worst one still is SSHD

[reef patrol]

Especially these days of putting entire games into large archives instead of smaller files 😄

[pale sigil]

Tis a mess

[astral haven]

uh

[reef patrol]

RIP 850 😄

[astral haven]

you think thats a mess?

[pale sigil]

I didn't wanna bin it

So I just use it for shit

[latent mural]

Is there anywhere I can buy any wooting keyboard now

[ivory geyser]

I just have C

[pale sigil]

My nvme drive (os) is what I store most games on now

[latent mural]

Is there anywhere I can buy any wooting keyboard now

[ivory geyser]

Aftermarket or preorder the HE version for April/May

[reef patrol]

Kleen

[pale sigil]

@latent mural don't send more than once man

[ivory geyser]

Also dont spam dude

[latent mural]

There’s nowhere to buy it aftermarket

[reef patrol]

Then you have your answer 😄

[pale sigil]

There's nothing can csn be done

[ivory geyser]

Then you need to order HE and wait

If you cant find it

[pale sigil]

You have to pre order the HE

[wheat plume]

meanwhile, my 3 drives :')

[pale sigil]

The fuck are you storing

[misty saffron]

when in doubt think porn

[pale sigil]

Even porn isn't that, nvm

[pale sigil]

That's just stupid 🤣

[astral haven]

i have flaky internet and am very paranoid

[misty saffron]

what the fuck do you have on steam, all of the $1 dating sims?

[reef patrol]

ALL of them

[pale sigil]

Imagine being paranoid and installing drm games

In case you have no Internet or something

[astral haven]

https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198075044579/

i can tether to activate a drmed game

[reef patrol]

Honestly half of my NAS is pre-Digital distribution CD/DVD game backups 😄

[misty saffron]

https://up.hw.gl/7eFf98RKwI.png

[astral haven]

but im not downloading a full game on data

yup

[reef patrol]

Complete with patches, mods and cracks as needed.

[astral haven]

humble bumble is best

[wheat plume]

LOL

[astral haven]

exactly

[wheat plume]

ooof

[pale sigil]

We found the bundle buyer

[wheat plume]

no actually :')

[pale sigil]

Not you

[wheat plume]

every game I have I got for free or sales or just on my own at full price

oh xd

[wheat plume]

@astral haven bruh... you got many games and played like 33%

[astral haven]

39 pages of keys

[wheat plume]

O.o

[astral haven]

yea during covid ive mostly just been playing beat saber and csgo

and alot more csgo than beat saber unfortunately

[wheat plume]

HAH, Linux gang FTW

[ashen spindle]

Errr

[astral haven]

this is kinda ???

[wheat plume]

:')

[ashen spindle]

Math doesn’t seem to be working

[wheat plume]

yeah

idk where the missing hours are

[astral haven]

oh

so total - per platform is from before 2019

oh man sorted by hour count most of my games are free

beat saber i got for $15 and mindustry i paid full price so i paid about $25 for most of my hours then 2k for the entire rest

[wheat plume]

cough cough @pale sigil cough cough xd

I played it like 20 minutes and gave up LEL

[pale sigil]

XD

[astral haven]

i probably own some embarassing games but i probably havent played them

[old marlin]

ayyyy

[fair gull]

i own no gane id be embarassed to own

@old marlin where u get the prices

[old marlin]

steamdb

https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198098531833/

[crimson wigeon]

eliiiiiite

[astral haven]

oh man

[old marlin]

@astral haven how tf do you not even have 5k hours total wtf

[astral haven]

unstable internet fam

[old marlin]

got you slightly beat there

[fair gull]

damn

didnt think id have that much in steam

[ashen spindle]

[old marlin]

why would I play that

[ashen spindle]

its telling me my account is private when it isnt

[reef patrol]

Jeez... My Steam account is over 16 years old xD

[crimson wigeon]

[reef patrol]

It takes an hour to cache this.

[reef patrol]

If you've made it public.

[astral haven]

quin steam changed a bunch of stuff on the back end

[fair gull]

400hrs windows

almost 5k overall

[ashen spindle]

I never made it private as far as I can remember

[old marlin]

[fair gull]

what

[old marlin]

also not 5k total

[old marlin]

plattform tracking has only been there since 2019

[astral haven]

^

[crimson wigeon]

ah shiet

Gotta step up my hours!!

[fair gull]

well tbf i mainly play games that "arent on steam"

[astral haven]

before 2017 i literally didnt have internet most of the time

lel

so all of my hours were offline

[ashen spindle]

ohh the game details part was set to friends only for some reason

well, time to look after lunch again

[old marlin]

was in an automatic update

[fair gull]

@crimson wigeon how many freakin gaes u got jebus

[astral haven]

humble bumble very gud

[crimson wigeon]

Too many

[fair gull]

only have 717 games

sad face

[astral haven]

also im very very proud of this

[fair gull]

i mean

its all too easy to hack achievements

[pale sigil]

Ye lol

[crimson wigeon]

Yes SAM very high skill level required

[astral haven]

i did my gnome playthrough on my second playthrough right after the commentary update

i listened to every single one of the commentaries
and i really loved the test areas they spawned in with some of the commentaries

my favorite one was the one with all the interactibles

[crimson wigeon]

Ah yes, wonder why more developers don't do those kinds of commentaries

[fair gull]

weird it doesnt show the hours on record

[astral haven]

its a tooooon of work lel

but yea the doors in alyx are a work of art on their own

[wheat plume]

Had to fix my aunts laptop

fun times

over the phone .-.

the drivers for her realtek wifi card borked themselves and it didnt know it supported wifi anymore

had to enable the 802.11 property in the advanced tab LEL

[reef patrol]

🤨

[wheat plume]

somehow this was set to disabled for her

[astral haven]

Wow

[wheat plume]

She said she ran the window troubleshoot before ringing me....
That might explain it .-.

[pale sigil]

How you lose customers

Not new news ik

[wheat plume]

y u use lastpass? its shit

[old marlin]

last pass

[pale sigil]

Im just moving my stuff

[reef patrol]

Too lazy to migrate from LP.

Never worked on my phone though so don't care 😄

[pale sigil]

Lastpass ain't shit

@reef patrol this includes computers

[wheat plume]

just be big brain and remember them all

[pale sigil]

I use it on 5 devices atm

[fair gull]

oi

[wheat plume]

:P

[crimson wigeon]

Have you heard of your lord and saviour BITWARDEN?

[reef patrol]

Yes? If it doesn't work on one of the two device types for me anyhow, I am unaffected 😄

[ashen spindle]

just have it work?...

[pale sigil]

It's what I'm moving to

[wheat plume]

isnt lastpass proprietary?

[crimson wigeon]

Yes it is absolutely proprietary

[wheat plume]

welp

[old marlin]

bitwarden or keepass

[fair gull]

i just use firefox password manager lol

[pale sigil]

I aint self hosting tho

[astral haven]

Google drive hosting best hosting

[fair gull]

no?

[ashen spindle]

ah now it works

[astral haven]

Well technically yes

250tb for 12 a month is technically the best

[fair gull]

no

that just makes em a good storage plan

[reef patrol]

Oof

[astral haven]

For file hosting yes

[fair gull]

plus if they ever say the grandfathered plans have to upgrade well good luck explaining it to a sales rep

[astral haven]

Nah there's a new one that is the same

[fair gull]

plus everything but the file capacity is shit with gdrive

[astral haven]

It's just hard to find

[fair gull]

@astral haven workspace enterprise

there is no other plan that is the same

[astral haven]

As in the same as gsuite enterprise

[fair gull]

gsuite enterprise wasn 12bucks a month afaik

[ashen spindle]

I think my tf2 inventory at times was worth over twice that ammount

[astral haven]

It was

[fair gull]

only gsuite business

which isnt enterprise

all gsuite plans were unlimited

there never was a datacap for any of them

[astral haven]

Except for gsuite business classic and legacy

And there was always the $6? a month 30gb plan

[fair gull]

arent those grandfathered plans from before the last gsuite plans

[pale sigil]

736 logins

[astral haven]

Legacy is the only grandfathered plan and it is free

[fair gull]

i only know for a fact that all gsuite plans were unlimited and workplace only is with enterprise

[astral haven]

Wrong

[fair gull]

bruh i tested it all

and unless 100tb plus isnt unlimited

[astral haven]

There were 4 plans that existed before gsuite

Legacy was free and you got 15gb but no signing up after 2012

Basic or classic or whatever was $6 a month and you got 30gb

[fair gull]

what fo plans before gsuite interest me in this argument

and no

basic was also unlimited

the marketing always claimed limits

there werent any

not in the contracts or agb

i pay fuck all for gsuite and have well over 150tb on it

been 3years no limits ever came for my supposed 2tb or whatever i should only have

plus ever since workplace or whatever its called now google drive is just garbage

20tb download from a shared drive before its on cooldown

and copying drive to drive also counts towards the quota

and still only 750gb/day/user upload

which was easily circumvented with drive copies and service accounts

[astral haven]

Thanks wayback machine

The $5 one was not unlimited

[fair gull]

they all freakin werent

[astral haven]

As in

You couldn't keep uploading past 30gb

[fair gull]

u can

literally

[astral haven]

The $5 one

You are confused

The one that everyone got was the business one which said it was 1tb/user with fewer than 6 users but that was wrong

But the $5 one was actually just 30gb

[fair gull]

they were ALL unlimited

[astral haven]

Im gonna need a citation there

Business and enterprise were even tho they said that fewer than 6 people weren't, but basic was 30gb in the same way that a standard Google account was 15gb

[fair gull]

no they were literally all unlimited

[pale sigil]

Google caps upload

[fair gull]

the only limited account before workplacr was free google accounts

[pale sigil]

Google literally caps upload

[fair gull]

yesnt

[pale sigil]

Per day

There is a max afaik

[astral haven]

750gb is a pretty high cap

[fair gull]

u can easily circumvent it with tools like multifolderclone and a good 2000 service accounts

[astral haven]

And you can get around it with the api

[fair gull]

meaning u get 2000x750gb/day

[pale sigil]

I'm aware

Effort

[fair gull]

"effort"

2commands

literally

[astral haven]

Not much effort yea

It's not the most practical storage, but in terms of raw specs it's the best

[fair gull]

only storage still imo

since copying counts to download its kinda garbage for me

[astral haven]

Copying?

[fair gull]

yes copying files in gdrive

counts towards download quotas now

[wheat plume]

p0r+n?

[reef tundra]

That is how the law WORKS

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-lais-evil-laughter-gif-19294476

[wheat plume]

xd

[sudden glacier]

[crisp granite]

hm...

[hollow summit]

anyone can recommend good mice after being used to a G502?

[crisp granite]

probably not

[ashen spindle]

try the roccat burst pro

[thorn latch]

what are these called?

[crisp granite]

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

crosspost ist not cööl

[thorn latch]

i really need help

[crisp granite]

then don't crosspost

all you did was annoy me

you were getting help in general iirc

[misty pier]

🗿

[thorn latch]

noboy replied

[misty pier]

just wait, a specialist will be with you shortly

hold the line

[ivory geyser]

Navigation buttons?...

[misty pier]

ngl I kind of want a mouse with a lot of side buttons again

just 2 feels too limiting to me

[ivory geyser]

Then get one of those MMO mice

[crisp granite]

ah yes

the corsair M600 is a good bet

[misty pier]

mmm

[crisp granite]

same with the new razer nagas

[misty pier]

which is good

there’s a couple that come to mind but I’m not sure which suits me the best

[crisp granite]

get a new naga

[misty pier]

the logi one isn't good yeah?

[crisp granite]

simply because best specs wise

[misty pier]

man, is razer the go-to for mice now

[crisp granite]

...yes

tbh

viper mini is pretty damn good

and for $40, can't really complain

[misty pier]

for how cheap i got it, which was $20, it's a steal

[crisp granite]

it's better than $100 mice in my experience

[misty pier]

sucks my rival 650 has a busted scroll wheel

[crisp granite]

and even with my mega hands, fingertip grip is pretty good

I can get a good grip on the mouse

[misty pier]

it's def small that i can't wrap my whole hand around it though

[crisp granite]

and lightweight mice are great for shooters

[misty pier]

naga x is the new one right?

[crisp granite]

my aim is still utter shit, but at least I can hit...roughly what I aim at

[crisp granite]

uh

the ones with optical switches

[misty pier]

look at the fancy marketing speak on their page

it has 5G

[crisp granite]

5G

'rona it is, then

[misty pier]

i can't tell if it's taller than the viper mini

seems like it is

need to adjust my grip styles again

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16521/amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-retail-offering-starts-today incase anyone needs one, they are probably not selling out instantly :p

[woeful linden]

I dont know if anyone asked that before but would it be possible to design a custom pcb for the Hall effect switches once they are shipping? Because I would really be interested in a custom case etc.
Because I guess builiding a Hall Effect compatible pcb sounds quiet difficult

[reef patrol]

For now? No.

[ashen spindle]

sure, there are plans for modding kits, pcb parts etc. but that's not the main list I think and with the current component shortage probably gonna be a while

[reef patrol]

Eventually? Very possible.

[fair gull]

all these konosuba loving weeabos building keebs

disgusting /s

[woeful linden]

But how would a Hall effect pcb even look like? since all the sensor and stuff are on the pcb itself

I just started getting into mechanical keyboards so that sounds really difficult to make

[misty pier]

probably looks like a pcb with fancy doodads on it

that's about all i can say

[fair gull]

heres a mechanical drawing https://discordjs.moe/9swtsAM6TT.png

the movy up and downy bit

is what makes the HE sensor do stuff

and then the brains does some other stuff

and magically works

[ashen spindle]

well there are images for the pcb on the development blogs, and I'm certain there would be some info other than just an option to buy switches on its own :p

but yeah, aint happening anytime soon with how long everything takes currently

[woeful linden]

HaHa looks like a Professional Blueprint someone can work on! No but why is the He sensor on the side part of switch shoudnt it be directly under the switch to be more accurate?

[crisp granite]

brilliant

I could, from just this pic, design a PCB that would work flawlessly

[fair gull]

ikr

[hollow summit]

i'll buy it looks a lot better value for money that bigger brands

[ashen spindle]

yeah gonna look at getting it too bc the mousefeet on my current mouse got off lol

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1366809040995688450 meh, not a fan they are sticking to their 1000R curvature for monitor

VideoCardz.com (@VideoCardz)

(PR) Samsung to update Odyssey G9 gaming monitor with Quantum MiniLED technology, announces 85 inch Neo QLED 8K TVs
https://t.co/BiwdQBKNu7

Twitter · Mar 2, 2021, 5:54 PM

[crisp granite]

uh

considering I've had a G9 on my radar for a while

I just came in my pants

thanks quin

[misty pier]

i'd love to see a refresh of my monitor with the new tech

their new monitors look so tacky :|

[ashen spindle]

I'd love a new gen VA-panel on a non 1000R screen, might be the curvature for 31:9 and above, but for 16:9???

too much imo

[cursive summit]

So how's 1800R curve

[ashen spindle]

fine but like, on a 16:9 whats the point of a curve

[zenith sonnet]

Ouch

That freaking ad on the TPU main site

Hell no

[old marlin]

?

[astral haven]

nicehash lmao

[crimson wigeon]

Nice

[astral haven]

300w of heat for $6 of profit is def worth lel

[reef tundra]

Getting payed to stay warm

[crimson wigeon]

Well imagine you mine now, and then hodl for years = grofit

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/lcQlk4-ZpR8

IDK whats more impressive
Doing this on your waifu body pillow or getting this to run on that phone

[reef tundra]

Making your review on the body pillow. hey hey guys

[zenith sonnet]

Seeing that on TPU definitely prompted me to refresh ad lists in ublock origin and activate additional ones

Seems to have worked

[shadow minnow]

Thinking about ordering this https://www.gigabyte.com/Solid-State-Drive/AORUS-Gen4-7000s-SSD-2TB

Strange thing is I do not see it on Amazon or on any similar site, but it is in stock locally

[ashen spindle]

early adoption of high end pcie4 ssd for gaming and most other content is just waste of money

[solar hinge]

fuck me man, there was a guy on a used website selling the older 1440p version... for 550 euros and i sent him a message and no response at all...

LAME I WANT IT

[solar hinge]

but the g9 is 31:9 no?

[ashen spindle]

yes, but the new VA tech they use there so far is only in use in 1000r curvature, like on the g7 or what its called

[reef patrol]

[woeful linden]

What do you guys think will be the Keyboard size of the Wooting one HE? 75%, 75% exploded (my favorite), 60% or something else?

[old marlin]

I would hope for an exploded 75%

but my guess would be regular 75%

[thick elk]

I would prefer regular over exploded myself

[solar hinge]

not sure if innuendo or harmless

[timid chasm]

lol thought the same

[wheat plume]

I hate delaing with IO in any language now I need to learn it in Python ;-;

[halcyon moss]

well in python it isnt so hard imho

[wheat plume]

seems to be difficult

[thick elk]

The easiest IO will always be shell scripts.

[wheat plume]

I did like how easy it was to make pandas read CSV files

but everything else about Pandas I hated :/

the syntax, really, ok

[halcyon moss]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/csv.html

[wheat plume]

I know I must read in TRC files

possibly CSV too

[old marlin]

I thought you meant hardware IO in python

But CSV IO in python is easy af

[wheat plume]

I need binary file IO and TRC file IO

and to learn it by monday

[old marlin]

Quite surprised you didn't do that by now

Did you have console only IO or what?

[wheat plume]

Ive never worked with binary files or python until this year

and last semester was mostly pandas than python

cause data analysis

[old marlin]

Was one of the first things i did in python

[wheat plume]

dtype_arr = np.array([["<x", "<?", "<B", "<B", "<b", "<H", "<H", "<h", "<I", "<I", "<i", "<Q", "<Q", "<q", "<f", "<d", "<I", "<I", "<x", "<x", "<I", "<I", "<s", "<h"], [99, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 4, 4, 4, 8, 8, 8, 4, 8, 4, 4, 99, 99, 4, 4, 0, 2]])

wtf is this code?

[old marlin]

Lol

[wheat plume]

all I know its a numpy array

what are <x and <I and <q etc?

[halcyon moss]

strings

[wheat plume]

I have 3 days

to learn how this code works and what it does

theres 300 lines almost

[ashen spindle]

C code sends his regard

[wheat plume]

o.o

[ashen spindle]

someone used a modified codebase of ffmpeg and I need to find the issue

today

[red oyster]

Seems like a function to just make an array and determine the dataype by guessing it

Not sure what the point is though, maybe it's revealed in the following code

ah cause numpy does arrays better than lists apparently

[wheat plume]

I got txt file working
now to move to binary files

[halcyon moss]

then use 'rb'

[wheat plume]

I need to make one first, I dont have any samples other than the 45MB TRC file I was given from my supervisor

[halcyon moss]

what is a trc file?

[wheat plume]

this thing

[halcyon moss]

ohyeah, that makes it clear

[wheat plume]

idk how to open it either

[halcyon moss]

File created by SQL Server Profiler, which is included with SQL Server software; contains trace results of the activity of a SQL database; can be used to analyze a sequence of database statements.

or a oracle trace file

[wheat plume]

I need to figure out how to convert them to CSV files

[old marlin]

Really stupid question

Are they plain text?

[ashen spindle]

how is this code accessing an inactive union field and still working

[old marlin]

@wheat plume

[wheat plume]

nope

[old marlin]

Oofie

[wheat plume]

both windows and linux have no idea how to open them

[old marlin]

Where do those files even originate from

[wheat plume]

its the data type my work placement deal with

[old marlin]

Ah

[wheat plume]

they store info on things that then perform data analysis on

[old marlin]

Mssql

Lol

[wheat plume]

dont know

they get these from the client

[old marlin]

Or oracle database

Uhh

Got access to ms access?

[wheat plume]

afaik they dont use that

[halcyon moss]

open it in notepad/wordpad/vim/whatever

[thick elk]

I generally open csv's in libreoffice

[thick elk]

wrong character encoding it looks like.

[wheat plume]

freaking hell, this coaster is odd in its design

but it has such insanely high riders per hour

2500 per hour using 5 trains

[reef patrol]

Cool.

[ashen spindle]

3rd file with this many lines had the issue..

[ashen spindle]

nice, 6700xt will have reviews a day before launch, hope that becomes a trend for most launches now

[crimson wigeon]

And how many units will be available?

[ashen spindle]

but especially with low units it's even more important to have review before launch

[reef patrol]

https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2021/03/03/hidden_text_in_macos_113/?__twitter_impression=true

So much for Apple M1 being the Swiss army knife.

[zenith sonnet]

From what I hear supply is a lot better this time around
Also, supposedly yields are so good that they omit the 6700 because there just aren't any defective dies

[crimson wigeon]

Yeeaaaahhh I'll believe it when I see it

[reef patrol]

Yep. So far it's all been papermache.

[ivory geyser]

Wtf is a Rosetta

[ashen spindle]

Click the link?

[proper crystal]

It is kinda an emulator allowing M1 macs to run programmes compiled for x86.

[ivory geyser]

Oh

[neat oriole]

Iirc doesn’t the M1 have some sort of hardware accelerated x86 emulation thing?

[reef patrol]

That's... rosetta 😄

[neat oriole]

That’s software isn’t it

I’m talking about something that was baked into the CPU