🔌│tech

[reef tundra]

Then you have to keep it an softcore cpu or you cant do that

[astral haven]

wut

i dont think you understand how modern processors work...

[reef tundra]

I have worked with FPGAs m8

[astral haven]

kewlio

fpgas are alot simpler than modern processors

[reef tundra]

Not really

[astral haven]

have you heard of "branch prediction"

it aint simple

[reef tundra]

Have you heard of 30 minutes compile time while it figures out how to make the design work within specification

[astral haven]

branch prediction + massively ooe = super complex shit

fpgas are simple by comparison

hard to program for sure

but simple to wrap your brain around the operating principle

[reef tundra]

Oh yea, tried working with multiple clock domains?

[astral haven]

lol

ever tried working with a processor which is directional due to the speed of light?

[reef tundra]

You can make an processor in an fpga

i made one

8bit though

[astral haven]

ill bet $100 paypal right now that you have never made a branch predicting ooe processor

[reef tundra]

Why would one make something like that you can use IP block

Even though good luck with intel and their dogshit documentation

[astral haven]

i maintain that you dont understand how complex a branch prediction ooe processor is

and we are talking about intel and amd

[reef tundra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nios_II

[astral haven]

when you compare intel documentation to amd documentation, the intel documentation is so much better that when programming for amd cpus you still use the intel documentation 😛

[reef tundra]

Oh let me look it up

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/programmable/us/en/pdfs/literature/ug/ug_fft.pdf

The mathlab example doesnt work. itself doesnt work

There is no way to even connect it up without making your own adapter. Which wont work

The software is also finicky as fuck

dont change any settings without pressing their special cancel button or everything crashes

[astral haven]

at least the software exists and is digitally signed 😛

lel

anyways you are trying to distract from the point

and the point is programmable hardware in core could be very very very useful for speeding up repetitive tasks inside of the core

[reef tundra]

It would be sitting on the same die

[astral haven]

panda

you arent understanding

this isnt

"core needs to do something so it sends the data over to the fpga unit"

that has been done before and its somewhat fast but not useful for arbitrary code

this is

[crisp granite]

die?

how many sides?

I like d10s most

[astral haven]

inside the core next to the fpu and int unit you have the ppu

[reef tundra]

Its better to describe it as an coprocessor.

[astral haven]

yes and thats not what the amd patent is about

at all

https://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2020/0409707.html
read

literally the first image in the patent

the patent details a few ways of feeding these units, either autonomously or forcefully

as much as the amd marketing department needs to be forcefully deposed, and entirely replaced with software engineers working on their horrific software and documentation, the hardware engineers know their shit.

[reef tundra]

Timing that mess is going to be an nightmare

[zenith sonnet]

If the GPU drivers are any indication, their software department will get there in due time

[reef tundra]

Can they even be simulated, in software?

[astral haven]

wdym panda

simulating it would be slow ofc

[reef tundra]

software simulation of the hardware

[astral haven]

but you can always simulate anything if you make it slow enough 😛

[zenith sonnet]

Can you simulate a real time processor if you make it slow enough?

[astral haven]

real time processor just means it doesnt have a queue

so yes you could

[reef tundra]

Yes you can. every single signal, logic gate. But dont expect more than a few nanoseconds for an hour of crunching

[astral haven]

its supposed to be modular

so they can presimulate for example the instructions being fed into the ppu

[reef tundra]

You dont know how many times the simulator just gives up and returns X

[astral haven]

amd better have access to a simulator that gives you alot more info than just an x lol

[reef tundra]

Its IEEE standardised (1164). X means unkown one of the 9 possible states. You also have logic '1', logic '0', High impedence, weak signal, Weak 0(pulldown), weak 1(pullup), dont care, uninitialised and Unkown

[astral haven]

did i say anything that you didnt understand?

[vast moss]

Does anyone familiar with monitors know anything about using a multi-monitor setup where the displays have different subpixel layouts? I've been looking at several monitors for an upgrade, and one of them has a BGR subpixel layout whereas the rest of my displays use RGB (one of them is rotated 90deg though). Would that be an issue for Windows/Linux usage?

[old marlin]

fml huawei

when I disable magazines on the lockscreen

why does it not disable the gesture alltogether

instead you get a message that asks you if you want to enbable them

and it STILL blocks you from unlocking or turning of the ringtone

[astral haven]

I'd bet there's an app that fixes either of those issues

[old marlin]

Modifying lock screen without rooting?

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle https://youtu.be/82K3Pb0178g?t=465 this is pretty interesting in regards to the b450/x570 usb issue

considering he is testing xbox/ps controllers and wooting is a controller device

only playstations controllers are affected, xbox are not, odd.

He says that Xbox controllers only send data when there has been a keystate change, but PS controllers send data on every poll so he guesses there might be some "flooding issues"

Intel PC is not affected, it's just his b450 ryzen motherboard

[ashen spindle]

another thing to add to the big pile lmao

[old marlin]

my guess would be that the two get handled very different in windows

xinput is embedded and the xbox controllers use that natively

while ps4 controllers require additional processing

and input lag plays a bigger roll there

[halcyon moss]

isnt that just driver issues?

[old marlin]

nah

unless sony wanna works with microsoft to either make the playstation controlelrs use xinput or have native support

not really an issue

but you still need some drivers to get inputs out of the controller that work in windows

[ashen spindle]

if it were a windows issues why is it only a issue on recent amd boards

[misty saffron]

or microsoft just knows what they're doing

[old marlin]

might be the implementation of USB

causing higher overall delays

[lethal wasp]

nvme go BRRRRR

[reef patrol]

At least until the cache runs dry 😄

[lethal wasp]

wut

no?

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[lethal wasp]

whole game transfered at like 1.5+ GB/S

🤷

was nvme to nvme transfer

small files turbocuck any drive granted but it seemed to be decent sized chunks

[reef patrol]

Cache is cache. If you keep moving over files, it will run dry and speeds will normalize at a lower level 😄

[lethal wasp]

how big is the cache then

makes it sound like some hybrid drive crap

[reef patrol]

Depends 100% on your NVME 🙂

All NVMEs have cache...well cheap ones dont 😄

[lethal wasp]

I presume not 50gb+

[reef patrol]

Oh hell no. We're talking maybe half a gig.

If you move a large chunk of files, it will try its best to keep loading stuff in and push it at the high speed. But it's a losing battle.

[lethal wasp]

54gb in less than a min either way shrug

Samsung 870 EVO to Samsung 870 EVO Plus

[reef patrol]

A great visual example 😄

[lethal wasp]

has to be a singular large file?

[reef patrol]

Naw.

Imagine a guy running back and forth between the filing archive and the front desk. At some point the stack of papers at the front desk will run out, even if he's constantly running to grab more.

[ashen spindle]

depends on what the nvme uses for the most memory, if it's SLC it will make almost no difference etc.

[reef patrol]

Ah yes - The SLC consumer NVMEs 😄

[ashen spindle]

not likely, but not impossible :p

[reef patrol]

This is an MLC so less of an impact.

But most NVMEs on the consumer segments these days are QLC. TLC if you've got money to spend 😄

[ashen spindle]

I know, I'm just saying it's not 0% xD

[reef patrol]

Sure sure.

[lethal wasp]

I think it has a large amount of SLC

I have the 2TB

wait

even the TLC is 1750/s sequential

I don't have a poverty drive pog

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/-Kq1D6FS7LM

this scares tf out of me

but i love the mechanics behind it

https://youtu.be/Q2a9Yvo2Yyg

Imagine denying the chance to build an attraction at disneyland

gg Ford

[ashen spindle]

did it make financially sense to do it? did it fit into budgets?

if not why wouldn't you deny it

[urban lynx]

it's smarter to deny something, than to promise the blue from the sky and ultimately failing and not delivering anything of use

[wheat plume]

true

[urban lynx]

THAT would do horrible damage to image

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/f1fgzBE2Ffk

o

[reef patrol]

Durr.... had to buy a new Chromecast to get apps to work properly 😄

[crisp granite]

holy shit

has dell finally made a decent OEM gpu, and priced it fairly?

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-michael-no-reaction-gif-3416258

[crisp granite]

but

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-gif-18932176

[crisp granite]

their OEM 3070 is not a blower

[reef tundra]

its a sucker?

[crisp granite]

it actually looks like an entry level 3070 in terms of cooling

it's an open air, dual slot, dual fan gpu

like a ventus 2x card, but without the MSI shite

[reef tundra]

it sucks then

[crisp granite]

well, it can actually not throttle in their prebuilts and boost fairly well

so, actually passable for once?

only issue, awful pricing

[reef tundra]

so its shit?

[crisp granite]

$2700 for a system with a 10700, RTX 3070, 16gb of ram and a 512 gb ssd

my system was under $2000 CAD and has a R5 3600XT, a substantially better RTX 3070, 16 gb of binned DDR4 at 3733mhz cl 17, and 2 tb of ssd storage

the pricing is insane for their prebuilts

[ashen spindle]

wow it seems like there are a couple people in the US who still have a braincell left

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/california-can-enforce-net-neutrality-law-judge-rules-in-loss-for-isps/

[crisp granite]

but, you could easily save that $700 by writing it off as a business expense

[misty pier]

🗿

[reef tundra]

Judge rules that capatalism has gone too far and consumers dont have to get shafted by their ISP too

[misty pier]

no shit, it’s california

[crisp granite]

cali is a special kind of hell

but, avocado toast, the one good thing to come out of that shithole, is pretty good

[ashen spindle]

sure, but even if cali has some better consumer laws, doesn't guarantee they all understand it and are not bribed to hell yet lmao

[misty pier]

proposition 65? never heard of you

[reef tundra]

FRE sh avaca do

[misty pier]

is avocado toast that good

[crisp granite]

yes

if you do it right

[reef patrol]

Jesus... never selling mainstream electronics again.

Put my up old Chromecast on Facebook. I have over fifty people asking.

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-announce-radeon-rx-6700-xt-on-march-3rd could be interresting, depending on how they do

also should have better availability than the other amd cards at least

smaller dies etc.

[crimson wigeon]

Uuuhhh.. yeaah... I'll believe it when I see it

[ashen spindle]

I'm not saying good availability xD

just better than the others 😛

[sudden glacier]

will they at least check captcha

[ashen spindle]

depends on the stores I guess

[cursive summit]

That's actually false

[ashen spindle]

and why?

[cursive summit]

But yeah there will be little availability at launch

Better? Prolly, long term

[ashen spindle]

still doesnt answer my question?

oh I see, they announce it the day the 3060 launches

[cursive summit]

Pretty sure it was this

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-to-launch-on-march-18th

"According to Cowcotland sources, RX 6700 XT will be ‘very limited’ at launch."

But there was some other tweet I saw from the direct source but couldn't find it

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

ok but very limited doesn't mean less than the navi21 launch, there wasn;t much there there lol

[ashen spindle]

man

$gme is up from 40$ to 188$ aftermarket lmao

ROUND 2 BABY

[crimson wigeon]

ah shit here we go again

[crisp granite]

please no

this is just...not right

there is more to this than most think

[ashen spindle]

💠 🙌

[pale sigil]

After 7 years

mum decided to get a new IPad

that just says how much IPads are great

for tablets

[sinful nimbus]

So got my server in! Pretty excited to finally clean my server rack up with it.
Finally getting rid of this lenovo sff that is being my router.

Justing waiting for the rails and riser card to get started

[misty pier]

man i can't even invest yet

i'm jealous

[formal meteor]

Investing is just gambling

A higher tier

[wheat plume]

3 inches of pure power

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/aldebaran-could-be-amds-multi-chip-instinct-mi200-accelerator-with-hbm2e-memory

[wheat plume]

Is a good way to test headphone sound leakage by pressing the earcups together while playing audio?

I just did that and there is a lot leakage

[cursive summit]

Doubt that

Not really accurate results

Buy a watermelon and put them on him

That'd be far more accurate test

Yellow melons are a bit more human head shaped though (and cheaper than watermelons)

[wheat plume]

:') hmm

[cursive summit]

I mean unless you want to buy a fucking (wo)mannequin buy a damn fruit and eat it afterwards

[wheat plume]

womannequin

wow

[cursive summit]

That's a real thing

[wheat plume]

I know female shaped mannequins exist

but that word :')

[cursive summit]

Is a good word

Womannequin

[halcyon moss]

i just see quin

[cursive summit]

Fuck Zoe Quinn

[halcyon moss]

fuck zoe @solar hinge

[cursive summit]

Close enough to reality to keep me satisfied

[wheat plume]

Android 11 seems to take a while to shut down the phone

Happening on my old phone too and thats using a custom rom

[halcyon moss]

rebooting is not a complete reboot

[cursive summit]

Install Linux on your phone

[wheat plume]

I said shut down not reboot

[halcyon moss]

yup

[wheat plume]

Id rather not :')
Thats why I have my computer and laptop

I want my mobile apps on my phone xd

[cursive summit]

Imagine actually being a linux peasant

[halcyon moss]

what about it ey

[crisp granite]

scary thought m8

just kidding

[cursive summit]

There's nothing wrong with linux

[crisp granite]

anyone can use their OS of choice

unless it's MacOS, in which case, use windows

[cursive summit]

Just people with schizophrenia about their data protection

[wheat plume]

90% of people dont make the choice
they just use whatever is on it

[wheat plume]

Id prefer to use MacOS than Windows 10

[cursive summit]

Oh god

[wheat plume]

I just have 10 for games

[misty saffron]

so you didn't pick linux and linux picked you

[crisp granite]

I just cringed so hard

[wheat plume]

I picked it xd

[misty saffron]

why

[wheat plume]

Cause windows 10 frustrates me

[cursive summit]

Anyone who would rather use MacOS is either an apple shill, or genuinely coo coo

[misty saffron]

how

[crisp granite]

I learned windows vista and 7 as a kid

so using 10 was the natural choice

[cursive summit]

Win10 is a bit bloated ngl

Win7 is godly

[halcyon moss]

imagine doing software dev on windows

[cursive summit]

Something wrong with software deving on windows?

Plenty of people do that

[wheat plume]

the updates borking itself up
The janky animations
the spying and data collection
All the garbage preinstalled
CORTANA .-.
Most apps are the same as back in the XP days except the slight UI update since Vista

[cursive summit]

Cortana is deletable

[wheat plume]

It is now

[cursive summit]

Updates don't bork themselves

Janky animations? What?

[misty saffron]

janky animations is truly the reason to stop using windows 10

[wheat plume]

They do if you dual boot, the bootloader can corrupt and you cant boot back into windows

[cursive summit]

Most garbage is again, uninstallable

[ashen spindle]

for every thing that you dont want and uninstall on windows there are 2 things you need to manually install on linux

[crisp granite]

the preinstalled garbage just means you spend a bit more time setting up

[cursive summit]

What kind of animation are we talking about cause I'm out of the loop

[wheat plume]

so GRUB can no longer see the windows boot manager

[halcyon moss]

ok, rephrase, imagine doing backend dev on windows

[wheat plume]

The win + tab one

it over shoots, then jerks back into the proper place

[cursive summit]

This?

[halcyon moss]

wife is doing it, its a bit of a pain

[wheat plume]

Yeah

[cursive summit]

Why the fuck would you even use this?

[pale sigil]

Let windows 7 die

[wheat plume]

I use virtual desktops

[cursive summit]

I know this exists but why on earth would you ever use this

[misty saffron]

if you do backend dev you have different problems

[cursive summit]

There's a better option called ALT TAB

[wheat plume]

I keep my work stuff on one desktop and my discord and music on the other

[cursive summit]

Alt tab's godly

[crisp granite]

Windows 7, godspeed, you magnificent bastard

[pale sigil]

Let

It

Die

[halcyon moss]

its xp all over again

[wheat plume]

its a nice break up, I can just switch desktops to browse youtube while on break while leaving all my work shit open and unseen on the other desktop

[cursive summit]

We should make Win7.1, a true sequel without the Win10 bs

[pale sigil]

Windows 10 is fine

People are drama queen's

[crisp granite]

tbh, I would dual boot win7 just for fallout 3

[wheat plume]

HAH, no

[pale sigil]

Windows 10 is getting a reboot again soon anyway

[misty saffron]

shit people do without multiple monitors

[pale sigil]

She has multiple monitors

[wheat plume]

Hey now, I have dual monitors

[cursive summit]

Win10 is a good OS, people who don't think so have different needs then or just have no clue wtf they are talking about

It's just bloated

[pale sigil]

Lad

[misty saffron]

so you need more than 1 monitor to browse youtube?

[wheat plume]

Bloated and data collection

[pale sigil]

Shut up

[misty saffron]

taking full advantage of the setup i see

[halcyon moss]

ooh a full out nerd flamewar

WIN BETTER

[wheat plume]

I need more than one for working and games is handy too

[pale sigil]

My second monitor is a glorified discord reader most of the time now

[halcyon moss]

LINUX BETTER

[ashen spindle]

[halcyon moss]

VIM FOR ALL

EMACS MUST DIE

[cursive summit]

Fuck you all I'm back to my Dos

[wheat plume]

you can almost use emacs as a pfull desktop environment :')

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/cmd-command-dos-windows-msdos-gif-12422793

[halcyon moss]

is that a reflection?

[cursive summit]

Nvidia RTX for MS-DOS

[halcyon moss]

lol

ppl are making terminal emulators in webbrowsers (electron).. so.. yeah would not surprise me

[crisp granite]

yes

[cursive summit]

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/02/25/valve-apple-data-request-for-epic-games-case/ Lol what

[wheat plume]

DX12 for MSDOS

[halcyon moss]

would also not surprise me if Lana was using an electron terminal

[cursive summit]

Epic and Apple are fucking around

And Valve suddenly gets sucked in

Sounds like school cafeteria food wars

You don't come out alive whoever you are

[wheat plume]

You mean eDEX-UI?

I know of it and it looks neat but I hate it

https://youtu.be/G_4Cv-AP7xU

[reef patrol]

😂

Small team my ass.

I do expect Valve to fight this hard though.

[crisp granite]

tbh, there isn't a good reason for apple or epic to need to see anything from valve

[cursive summit]

They are nowhere as big as they used to be afaik

[crisp granite]

it's between apple and epic, they don't need to drag valve along

[reef patrol]

They're more than large enough to hand over data that is already largely auto generated by their backend.

[cursive summit]

FUCK

THIS IS GOOD

[crisp granite]

lolz

[ashen spindle]

nah, apple is asking for data so old nobody would store it unless they forgot to reuse the drives lmao

I suspect it's just a move from apple to get more accurate numbers on how much they can make if they allow xyz changes etc,

[pale sigil]

This is great

[halcyon moss]

do epic and apple actually get to see the data?

there was a comment under it saying they wouldnt

[ashen spindle]

I think that's the intent

[reef patrol]

Naw. I bet they have data going back a decade or more.

[crisp granite]

my pc in a nutshell

and memes go in #🐸│memes

[ashen spindle]

Valve says it does not "in the ordinary course of business keep the information Apple seeks for a simple reason: Valve doesn’t need it."

[reef patrol]

They would say that 😄

[ashen spindle]

"Apple is demanding information about every version of a given product, all digital content and items, sale dates and every price change from 2015 to the present day, the gross revenues for each version, broken down individually, and all of Valve's revenues from it"

like yeah those details are partly not worth saving xD

[reef patrol]

I'm just here for the popcorn tbh.

[ashen spindle]

tru

[crisp granite]

I see how they wouldn't have sales data from more than a few years ago

[cursive summit]

Why wouldn't they

The whole company is run from massive servers

Obviously they'd save them in case for a legal battle

Like Bethesda got sued recently for Fallout 4 DLC or some shit

[crisp granite]

I don't blame them, that creation club shit was super scummy

[ashen spindle]

I'm not saying they are deleting data after 1 year, I'm merely saying apple requested data like sales per patch or so that makes no sense for valve to save

[cursive summit]

What makes no sense for Valve in general is just giving away their revenue information

That's been a closely guarded secret for decades afaik

[ashen spindle]

yea so closely that you can use their api to get like a 98% accurate estimate aside from weird backroom deals

[cursive summit]

Sure you can estimate it but it doesn't really carry any legal weight

So as long as Valve doesn't disclose shit, they are just lying low

[crisp granite]

tbh

they don't need to do anything for this

[cursive summit]

Not their battle

[crisp granite]

apple v epic really doesn't need anything from valve

[cursive summit]

I fully support Apple as far as this shit goes, but I am glad that both companies are just losing money

[crisp granite]

valve is merely an observer in this

[crisp granite]

yep, same and same

[ashen spindle]

yea support apple, the company trying to make more by making it cost more for consumers because you dont like fortnite

[crisp granite]

well

tbh

[cursive summit]

Yes let's support Epic who literally broke the Apple store sales agreement cause they didn't like it

[crisp granite]

the only reason they pulled down jizznuts was because epic wasn't paying apple's 30% cut

seems fair to me

[cursive summit]

Say whatever you want about Apple tax

[crisp granite]

don't play by the rules, get removed from the game

[cursive summit]

But you break a legal agreement however scummy, you are in the fault

Just don't sign it to begin with if you don't like it

[ashen spindle]

ok so if there are shit laws you dont care for them to be changed?

great mindset really

[crisp granite]

well

[cursive summit]

Law is law

[ashen spindle]

yes and laws change

[crisp granite]

apple is just profiting off of a market they pulled together

[cursive summit]

Well Epic broke the law in this case so they are in the fault

[crisp granite]

and they offer others the ability to tap in

for a 30% cut

[cursive summit]

Apple's not any better with their scummy shit but afaik that's not illegal now is it

[crisp granite]

seems fair to me

[ashen spindle]

ok so let it end with epic having to pay extra bc they broke it but still get it changed

why do you insist on a company that literally abuses slave labor to make more money bc "well they said so to the other company"

[crisp granite]

nope, it should be epic can't use the apple store or be on apple products anymore

and that's it

[reef patrol]

And so are anti-monopoly laws 😄

[cursive summit]

So basically you are saying that legal agreements should no longer be honoured

Wise words

[crisp granite]

again: don't play by the rules, get removed from the game

epic didn't play by the rules, and are making a stink because they were removed

ffs

[ashen spindle]

you're doing a great job defending poor little apple that only wants to continue abusing it's position to grab as much money as possible from everyone without doing anything for it evil epic are really the bad guys here

[crisp granite]

I'm fine with apple profiting off of their own platform, I just know epic is in the wrong for this

[cursive summit]

Nobody's defending Apple

Epic is trying to fight they law, they better be hit

[cursive summit]

Apple's right on this particular case

[reef patrol]

That is 100% for the judge to decide 😛

[cursive summit]

So you are twisting facts

[reef patrol]

Epic are claiming a monopoly.

[ivory geyser]

I dont care if Apple is right or wrong, I want it to burn

[cursive summit]

Same ngl

Fuck both companies

[ivory geyser]

So I will support Epic.

[cursive summit]

Epic for not honouring financial agreements

Apple for being monopolistic

Fuck both of them

[crisp granite]

both are bad

[ashen spindle]

is it an agreement when you are forced to accept it?

[crisp granite]

well

[cursive summit]

Then don't accept it

[crisp granite]

you have two options

sell and get 70% of the list price

or don't sell at all

simple

[ashen spindle]

sound's very much like a monopolistic environment to me....

[cursive summit]

Capitalism my buddy, that's how it works

You want more money play by other's rules

Steam China, good example

Fuck China

But man you really want their population and revenue

Sometimes money sings

Apple has a massive number of users, so you want a bite of their apple pie, pay the entrance fee

[crisp granite]

the issue is that epic threw a fit when they were punished for breaking the rules of the platform

monopolistic BS has nothing to do with it

[ashen spindle]

entrance fee? hmm weird I always thought there is supposed to be an open market to allow for competition and inovation..

[cursive summit]

I don't actually get why are we trying to find a moral high ground when there is none here

It's a fucking legal battle

[ashen spindle]

yeah and one outcome is shit for the consumer and the other is not

[cursive summit]

Literally what happened

[crisp granite]

so, they've been punished

[cursive summit]

Epic didn't like the legal agreement, abandoned it, and got hit

[crisp granite]

settled

[cursive summit]

Now they are whining

[ashen spindle]

why would you want to set precedents to be set for consumer to get fucked over even more

what do you gain from it

[crisp granite]

well, epic fucked them over

they were well aware that apple would not stand for their shit

but they still did it

I hate to make a comparison like this, but this is like me and my mum making baklava 10 years ago

she told me to not eat any of the nut mix or I'd get no finished baklava, I ate at least half a kilo of it

and guess what?

little doge didn't get any finished baklava

I earned that

[ashen spindle]

man if you think that's even a close comparison it makes sense why you are rooting for apple I guess

[crisp granite]

well

in this case, yes

[cursive summit]

It's a more rooted issue than that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple

Still both companies are at some degree of fault

Apple for a higher cut that they want, and epic for breach of contract

[crisp granite]

but in this case, epic made a stink when they breached apple's contract, and were punished by apple for it

[pale sigil]

so ugh

just noticed something

my desktop colors change a little when i launch games

any idea?

[crimson wigeon]

In my experience this mostly happens if you get baited by the game into changing brightness and whatnot when it asks you

[pale sigil]

ah

[crimson wigeon]

Never touch that slider

[ashen spindle]

flux set to deactivate when you start a game?

[pale sigil]

dont use flux

[ashen spindle]

(or equivalent)

[pale sigil]

ye no

dont use any

[pale sigil]

damn it memtest stole my 32gb

xD

(ik i can fix it in cmd)

[wheat plume]

dafuq?

[pale sigil]

Reee I can't boot into memtest86

Got it

Had to use legacy mode

[fair gull]

want the new passmark memtest with uefi?

should be on my drive

u got

[proud nacelle]

@pale sigil any chance it could be that limited range bullshit nvidia had a while back?

[ashen spindle]

man, sad to see Digital Foundry essentially turn into nvidia shills

[crimson wigeon]

I zink that limited range thing only applies if you're a 1080p60 pleb

Else it's like "oh right, PC monitor full range it is"

[proud nacelle]

who you calling a pleb?

[crisp granite]

good thing I'm a member of the 1080p 144hz master-race

[proud nacelle]

Also memory shouldn't affect the colors... Doesn't make sense to me imo

[crimson wigeon]

Me, although being a 1920x1200 has its benefits as that's a very PC resolution so I only hit this "feature" when I desired some letterbox action

[proud nacelle]

If anything it's either Windows with it's bugs features, a driver issue or something else.

[crimson wigeon]

Yes it's a Windows feature, games (especially when running in fullscreen mode) love to "tweak" display settings

[proud nacelle]

That's true. Try running it borderless or windowed.

Honestly fullscreen has no practical use today. At least that I notice of. Maybe Vsync, but otherwise? meh.

[latent mural]

Is it just me or is the 3060 nowhere avalible

[crisp granite]

welkomen to the world of covid

[proud nacelle]

Yeah gpus have been on a shortage for a while

[crisp granite]

holy shit

[proud nacelle]

How were you not aware of this

[latent mural]

Yea but it didn't even pop up on the websites like Megekko

[crisp granite]

canada computers is selling RTX 3060tis for more than a 3070 is worth

not even kidding

[proud nacelle]

Oh you're in Canada?

[crisp granite]

ye

[latent mural]

There isn't even a place where you can buy them, because there isn't a tab for them

[crisp granite]

there is on canada computers

but they're all sold out

methinks they had none to sell in the first place

[proud nacelle]

The Staples we had here had GTX 1650s (I think) but they were going for bout 200.

Unless you're willing to wait

[crisp granite]

I got an RTX 3070 already

[latent mural]

Idk of someone from the Netherlands can confirm but they don't have one in a big webshop

[proud nacelle]

Ah. Nvm then.

[crisp granite]

but the fact that the RTX 3060tis are going for about what my RTX 3070 cost me is bonkers

[ashen spindle]

yeah only proshop seems to have listings here

but usually mindfactory seems to restock them on saturday, maybe they just didnt bother bc they knew it'll just be gone instantly

[latent mural]

so will they be launched on the bigger sites later on and still have a chance to get them?

[crisp granite]

and the RTX 3060 has 12 gb of vram?

lolwut?

[ashen spindle]

no clue how your stores do it

maybe they also just didnt get stock

[latent mural]

Idk they are partnered with NVIDIA so that would be strange

[crimson wigeon]

Oh hey RTX 3060 actually available here... starting at 519 € Pepeg

[ashen spindle]

well there is no reference model afaik, so being partnered with nvidia means nothing

[latent mural]

Where is it avalible

[crisp granite]

wut

dude

[ashen spindle]

yeah, proshop has them listed at that price here too

but not in stock

[urban lynx]

[ashen spindle]

and proshop always has scam prices, not just now

[dark tangle]

the website is down...

[crisp granite]

the cheapest here is like $520

[latent mural]

The proshop is down atm

[latent mural]

on what website is it avalible?

[crimson wigeon]

I checked good old jimms.fi cuz am Finnish

[crisp granite]

well

[crimson wigeon]

Who's bonkers enough to pay these ridoncolous prices anyway?

Oh wait

[urban lynx]

huh, i got my psu from proshop, and it was the cheapest out of all the places...

[ashen spindle]

inventory clearance or something then

[misty pier]

glad i don't need a new gpu

[crisp granite]

lol same

[dark tangle]

-_-

[ashen spindle]

same, because I have one

[crisp granite]

woah...

you got a GPU too?

which one?

[misty pier]

me too!

[ashen spindle]

6800 on like release

[crisp granite]

oh

damn

[ashen spindle]

not XT but oh well

[pale sigil]

Lol scan finally finished all launch pre orders

fro the 3080

[crisp granite]

bruh

[crisp granite]

it actually took them that long?

[crimson wigeon]

more like scam

[ashen spindle]

nobody wanted to sell any stock to brexitland

[crisp granite]

the frickin' brits, m8

[reef patrol]

Well that took forever... Still no 3080s here 😦

[shadow minnow]

Do you think 3080 ti will actually be released?

[reef patrol]

Anytime soon? Doubt it.

[timid chasm]

Been half-tempted to buy a 3080 prebuilt and then just sell off the tower afterwards

I don't wanna drop that just for that hassle though

[crisp granite]

yeah

tbh though

some prebuilts I've seen could be sold on the second hand market for more than the full cost of the tower

even without the GPU

[latent mural]

I just bought it :D

[reef patrol]

I'd consider that if I happened to know someone who needed a PC upgrade. And then swap with my 2080. Because... No one I know needs that kind of power (3080)

[timid chasm]

If I did it I'd have to choose to put my 2080 in it or the 1080. I want the 3080 for 4k/VR mostly

cause I know I won't get my hands on a 3080 Ti

But yeah I don't know anybody who wants a non-GPU upgrade atm

[dark tangle]

je mama

he has got it

the 3060

he spent 580

[pale sigil]

Can't hear you over my 3080 frames

[shadow minnow]

Sorry, Can’t hear you over my empty pc case

Just sitting on my table for months

[reef patrol]

No bulli

[shadow minnow]

[ashen spindle]

man, gpus are nowhere to be found, the 5800x meanwhile is buyable 20€ below MSRP here

[umbral knot]

dang I just have people on Craigslist trying to sell gtx 760 for 250 usd

[crisp granite]

uh

bullshit

[proud nacelle]

that's a ripoff

[misty pier]

seems like an easy get rich scheme if you're dealing with an uninformed buyer

[umbral knot]

I texted them and tried to tell them that nobody's going to buy it and they said it's worth $400

lol

Im just hoping somebody who knows nothing about computers doesn't get scammed

[shadow minnow]

Now I am wondering if I should get silver Corsair ML fans or not. Like, they have good performance and also liked them because of look. Issue is RGB is not turnable off and sometimes I want it off. So I could go for noctua nf a12x25 chroma if it gets released, but it too not good enough looking. I could go for Corsair LLs but apart from quiet and good look most of the times, but the performance... sometimes want to go to extreme OC too and all RGB fan versions, well, have slower rpm and less performance

[ashen spindle]

I figured out why

bc they are already selling rocket lake

boy some intern is getting fired for setting the completely wrong launch date

[shadow minnow]

Wait where, link?

[ashen spindle]

mindfactory

so germany-shipping only

so I guess march 25th is supposed release and someone typod a 2 in there

[shadow minnow]

Do they sell i9 11900k already too. Well, have to wait for reviews to decide... but the driver issues with AMD too...

[ashen spindle]

nope

[shadow minnow]

I do not see it there

[ashen spindle]

already listed since 2 days ago it seems like lol

470€, that's more than a 5800x lmao what a terrible value

[shadow minnow]

Link to any

[shadow minnow]

Will see with reviews, especially the single core performance. 470€ does not sound that bad if it with fees, for i9 11900k as it top SKU with bit better silicon...

But please link I can’t find it

[ashen spindle]

I said 11700k not 11900...

[shadow minnow]

Oh

[shadow minnow]

Sorry, can not find it I guess I just blind

[ashen spindle]

literally takes you to the page if you enter 11700....

[shadow minnow]

I blind, When did you say 11700? Wish that price would’ve 11900k

[ashen spindle]

oh, discord never sent it, right after I said nope, nvm then

but yeah, bad price

[astral haven]

the 11900k is 30 eur more than the 5800x

[shadow minnow]

How much is it?

[ashen spindle]

??? no thats the price for the 11700k

[astral haven]

600

[ashen spindle]

not the 11900k

[ashen spindle]

you know the price for 5800x is 450...?

that's a 150 more not 30 more

[astral haven]

not in eu

[ashen spindle]

yes in eu

[shadow minnow]

Depends on exact shop

499 without VAT, hoped it will be 400 tbh

[ashen spindle]

hell I can even get it for less right now

but 449 is msrp

[astral haven]

449 usd

[ashen spindle]

m8 I literally posted you a screenshot

[astral haven]

ok well i have no idea why peeps are selling under msrp already

but the msrp of the 5800x is 450

[ashen spindle]

..yes that's what I've been telling you

[astral haven]

the msrp of the 11900k is 500

[ashen spindle]

the 450€ already include VAT...

[shadow minnow]

Wish they sold it at MSRP then, that’s not that bad

[ashen spindle]

so it's 450 vs 600 for 5800x vs 11900k from your picture

[astral haven]

the msrp of the 11700k is 420 apparently but that seems wrong intel will probably sell for 430

nah 11900k isnt competing with the 5800x

the 11700k is

[ashen spindle]

yes I'm merely saying your post of "it's 30 more" was wrong xD

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️

i dont see where its wrong but ok?

[shadow minnow]

I hope I can find it at MSRP if it beats zen 3 single core or is same

[astral haven]

it will beat zen 3 single thread but not single core

[ashen spindle]

the 11900k cost 600, the 5800x costs 450, how is that 30€ more??

[astral haven]

the 11900k and 5800x at the same retailer

[shadow minnow]

Maybe eur is some strange thing, different than € that has 5 times as much worth

[ashen spindle]

yes, same retailer

im talking about MSRP

[astral haven]

msrp doesnt exist yet for the 11900k

[shadow minnow]

Well then the difference is 50$ I guess

If MSRP really is 500

[astral haven]

not "we dont know the msrp"

[shadow minnow]

Which I hope it is

[astral haven]

the msrp literally can change up till launch tomorrow

also dont forget the main advantage of 11 series
these skus are the more expensive ones with igpus

[ashen spindle]

so then your posting of 600€ was not the msrp
fine, you can say we don't know it, but you can't say we dont know the price and in the same discussion say it's 30€ more than something else

either or, you can't have both

[astral haven]

if price is 600 at retailer x and the 5800x is 570 at the same retailer, the 5800x is 30 less expensive

it would be hilarious tho if the 11700k sold out before launch tho

[ashen spindle]

so what is your point, that you found a website that is scalping amd cpus but not intel??

[astral haven]

wut

like the 10900k was 630

intel was being scalped too lel

[ashen spindle]

so we're already at 60 and not 30?...

what is your point

[astral haven]

10900k not 11900k

dude

[ashen spindle]

ok I misread

still dont get your point

[shadow minnow]

Tbh from context I also assumed you talking about 11900k, and missreaded

[astral haven]

what we know is that the 11900k is between the 5800x and 10900k in price

5800x msrp = 450, 10900k = 500

11900k is between the two

[ashen spindle]

ehh, hopefully, but I don't see intel going down on prices

[astral haven]

they have to

11900k is only 8 cores

[ashen spindle]

doesn't really matter though if they just market around enhanced performance and all

[astral haven]

and the only advantage is the monster igpu and extra io

[shadow minnow]

I do, they are slowly and not only slowly selling market share from enthusiast, ones buying most expensive CPUs

[astral haven]

multicore its slower

they dont care ikas

[shadow minnow]

Or same speed

[astral haven]

a billion dollars is a billion dollars no matter how you get it

[shadow minnow]

They do care when they are overstocked

[astral haven]

they arent overstocked lol

[shadow minnow]

I mean not like overstocked

[ashen spindle]

(you're talking to someone who decided to buy rocket lake like 6 months ago before we even had leaks, don't waste your time with him)

[shadow minnow]

But that they have enough production capability on 14nm

[astral haven]

wut

no

[shadow minnow]

I did not, said I may go for zen 3 if RKL worse

[ashen spindle]

yea sure, that's why you bought ram months ago with speeds that only make sense for intel cpu

[shadow minnow]

If I went for AMD I would most likely go x590 so also bit scared of that usb issue now

[astral haven]

x570 ace 🤤 but too many friends with issues

[shadow minnow]

Because I can not decrease speed to get lower latency

[astral haven]

z590 ace pls

what did you get?

[shadow minnow]

silver Tridentz Royal 4266 cl19 at 1.4v

[astral haven]

i have a few friends on zen 3 who managed lower latencies than im hitting on my 9900k so i am considering it now

um

spensiv

[shadow minnow]

Was on really good sale

[astral haven]

-_-

doubt

[shadow minnow]

Was Cheaper than any other 4000+ memory

[astral haven]

either way you can hit 2100 with zen 3

so only dropping 66 mhz

[ashen spindle]

don't try to reason with him, won't go anywhere

[shadow minnow]

Quintosh really

Thanks

I just can not normally discuss

Because you come

And, nvm

[ashen spindle]

just saying my view based from the last months about the same topic

[astral haven]

peeps without any brains can only argue by trying to trash peoples choices 🤷‍♂️

[ashen spindle]

I'm not trashing it, I'm just saying it's not making sense because it's not based on anything

[astral haven]

actual jank 😛

nyways i await a motherboard i can use

ws x570 ace is close but id like 1 more pcie x4 slot

[shadow minnow]

Well, if I said I am definitely going for intel, or sth like that, sure, understandable, but I am saying I am considering AMD. Also admit I am bit of intel fanboy, but literally spend hour to explain to friend AMD is better for his budget, instead of intel, so trying to be objective when it comes to others. And just saying don’t try to reason with him, nearly got me to leave this server, although I would most likely return, it just... idk, nvm, sorry for bit of venting.

[astral haven]

id go amd if even 1 of my friends who went amd didnt have some issue of some kind

[ashen spindle]

m8 what, I merely said months ago it makes no sense to buy ram for a cpu coming out 6 months later

and since then you were basically set on going intel

[astral haven]

4266 c19 royals are pretty solid for amd or intel

on zen 3 you might even get the 1/10k cpu that can do 2133 if

[ashen spindle]

but it makes no sense to buy it when it's just at a normal price, when worst case the new IMC might not even like those speeds

[shadow minnow]

Still, I can downclock it and use with AMD. I did not see any better value ram of that type in my region yet

[ashen spindle]

its not like it was a great deal that saved money

[astral haven]

-_- quintosh

[shadow minnow]

I am planning to OC, and I can just downclock if going for AMD.

[ashen spindle]

yeah I back then already showed you that was not the case xD

there were like 10+ sticks for the same price

[astral haven]

the best ram for amd is the 4400c22 darks

but the 4266 c19 is technically tigher than the darks

[shadow minnow]

I mean at least not locally. There were some for similar price, but I also kinda care about look and if I can get memories I wanted for same price as other ones at same speed... why not.

[astral haven]

i paid $600 for my memory so me arguing that anyone paid too much for their memory is serious chutspa coming from me so...

[ashen spindle]

yeah I guess literally the same website is not locally enough

[astral haven]

what did you pay ikas

[ashen spindle]

I dont care what people spend their own money on, but I'll still call something illogical when it's not based on any reason

[shadow minnow]

Around 160

[astral haven]

for 16gb?

[shadow minnow]

It was based on reason. If that reason was valid, I also wondered, but it was a reason.

[shadow minnow]

Yes. Think it was but lower than 160, do not remember exact price

[astral haven]

thats 8.9ns

ok so you can get better deals than that

[shadow minnow]

See it only for more expensive now here, so still do not regret buying it.

[astral haven]

the viper steels 4400c19 are insaaaaane

[shadow minnow]

Also if I did not buy it I would maybe go for more expensive ones which... would not be best

[shadow minnow]

It is not royals, and also $ so without fees

Costed me 130€ without fees

[astral haven]

what country?

[shadow minnow]

Also, what voltage are the patriots at? Not that it mattered much but may say bit about OC headroom

[shadow minnow]

Slovakia

[astral haven]

dang not on pcpp

the vipers are 1.45

but they are 100% guaranteed bdie

the royals now can be bdie or rev e

rev e isnt baaad
but its not bdie

did you check which you got?

[shadow minnow]

This also Bdie afaik. And 1.4 so very likely can get it at 4400 at 1.45, or even at 1.4 if I lucky

[shadow minnow]

If I remember correctly I checked and it B die

[astral haven]

send a sc of taiphoon

[shadow minnow]

It was also manufactured in summer 2019 afaik and they were selling this version with b die back then. And checked it, it should be bdie

[astral haven]

bdie, rev b, and rev e are all possibilities

fuck me it finished and its still going up????

[shadow minnow]

Where did you get that info?

[astral haven]

oc discord

[shadow minnow]

Do not see anything else anything about it, everyone said at these speed it kinda guaranteed bdie

[astral haven]

clocks above 4000 you get more and more likely to get really good micron

only way to 100% guarantee bdie is with 14-14-14 3200 and higher

bdie actually isnt that amazing clock wise relative to the micron stuff

bdie can only barely hit 4800, where theres a 5500 kit of rev n coming soon 😛

[shadow minnow]

That sounds like a lot, eating lot of voltage

[astral haven]

nah

[shadow minnow]

Also, 1.5V save for long term b die or rather 1.45

[astral haven]

micron doesnt eat that much voltage

bdie can handle 1.8 long term

its above 2 that you dont want to happen for too long

[shadow minnow]

Heard over 1.5 is not really safe for 24/7 long term use on B die

[astral haven]

i mean watch temps

bdie hates going over 60c internal

you might need serious amounts of airflow

but only 16gb isnt that hard to cool

[shadow minnow]

Heard 40c or less is best

[astral haven]

i know a dude with 64gb of bdie who was having a ton of trouble

internal

most ram sticks only give you external temps

as in they have a separate chip on the ram pcb that tells you temps

it doesnt tell you the internal temps of the ram sticks

[true quest]

https://twitter.com/OrdinaryGamers/status/1365024766508294160

Mutahar (@OrdinaryGamers)

Super follows sounds really stupid. I ain’t paying 4.99 a month to read shitposts.

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paying for twatter lmao

[wheat plume]

3 rtx 3060 videos in a row

Bitwit
Linus
Dave 2D

[ashen spindle]

people making videos about a release on release

[wheat plume]

At the exact same hour xd

[ashen spindle]

almost like they all have contracts that specify when they can upload it

[wheat plume]

Hmm

[ashen spindle]

cmon lana there is no way this is new to you xD

[wheat plume]

I know they got sent review samples
And sometimes told what to say
But not when they could release the video

[ashen spindle]

literally every single release of any sort of hardware the last decade+ has been this way xD

[misty pier]

i sure love these prices

[wheat plume]

NO HUMANS

[misty pier]

beep boop

im a robot

[wheat plume]

$2k .....

Wtf

Bet a lot of those will just send you a paper cutout of it too

[crisp granite]

bruh

my RTX 3070 was $800

if I can sell it for $3k...

stonks

but I'll try to get another card first

[wheat plume]

Go halfsie with me xd

[crisp granite]

hm

tempting

but no

[wheat plume]

I wanna switch to AMD

[misty pier]

if i win this stonks game i will bankroll off these gpus

[safe heath]

my computer parts came in. except... the case. which hasnt even shipped.

so its put together sitting on anti-static bags on my desk. 🙂

[urban lynx]

that seems... highly problematic.

[safe heath]

ya, its annoying, but whatever

[urban lynx]

last i tried fitting a pre assembled collection of pc part, it didnt go that well

[safe heath]

what happened?

oh, wait, its not going into the case as-assembled lol

i just didnt want to wait to use the machine

im gonna take it apart and put it into the case properly when it arrives

[urban lynx]

was just annoying to put in, and not as easy.
especially screws for the motherboard to the case.
generally getting all the backplates to fit of mainboard, gpu

[safe heath]

https://www.xtia.com.cn/ wouldn't even come close to working with this case anyway LOL

[urban lynx]

oh okay

[old marlin]

already disqualified for me

that is almost as bad as this

[fair gull]

is that..... a case sticker on the cpu?

[astral haven]

wow thats great

[safe heath]

omg

[old marlin]

yes

an enamel badge

directly attached to the fan

[safe heath]

lol ya thats super goofy but whatev

[old marlin]

would not trust those guys on pcs

just with that

quite honestly

[fair gull]

jesus

thats smth id see once before never letting someone touch pcs again at my place

[safe heath]

ah yes, shame the engineering dept for the sins of the marketing dept

[astral haven]

thats not marketings fault

thats user error

[zenith sonnet]

Urgh

My FritzBoz got an Update tonight

Now everything's fucked and the phone doesn't work and I'm stuck on 128 kbits up/down

Seems like Vodafone's DNS server is fucked?

[old marlin]

[foggy solstice]

Thermal stickers sound like something with some market appeal.

[old marlin]

you mean

thermal pads

[foggy solstice]

Do they have branding on them?

[zenith sonnet]

You know, antistatic bags are antistatis because they're conductive? Use a piece of wood or something :p

[safe heath]

they're not conductive. lol

[foggy solstice]

Conductive enough to make a smartphone stylus out of.

[safe heath]

conductance != capacitance

go get a multimeter and measure the resistance across an anti-static bag.

[old marlin]

they are conductive though

they have high resistance

but are conductive

[astral haven]

^

wood isnt great

plastic on top of an antistatic bag is good

[safe heath]

i mean technically everything is conductive.

by that logic.

[old marlin]

conductive enough to make problems

[zenith sonnet]

What's the issue with X570 and USB again? Can't recall I ever encountered it

[astral haven]

its a problem when you use high bandwidth devices over an extended period of time

[reef patrol]

No no heck no.

Those bags ARE static on the outside.

[reef patrol]

Each port isn't given full bandwidth.

[astral haven]

thats a minor issue in comparison to it randomly disconnecting

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1365157406527791106 zzz

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed)

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Twitter · Feb 26, 2021, 4:31 AM

[old marlin]

[zenith sonnet]

Is that Rocket Lake?

Molten Lake?

Why is that CPU boiling?

[old marlin]

lol

it is laptop lake

[zenith sonnet]

Ooof

[old marlin]

finally got an old VBIOS to run

cause someone finally managed to get it to work with nvidias flash utility

[ashen spindle]

go and try to replace that cpu with rocket lake

selling like hotcakes already

[old marlin]

lol

ah right

can set a -0.1V offset on cpu

wtf

dropped like 30W

from the CPU

[ashen spindle]

I'm still confused how is mindfactory still selling rocket lake cpus, there is not way they are going to face 0 consequences if they launch it over a month early

[reef patrol]

Depends on their suppliers.

Intel can definitely pressure their sales pipe to stop dealing with Mindfactory. But that only works if they don't have alternatives.

[astral haven]

month early?

it launches tomorrow

[reef patrol]

Same thing with selling those cheap OEM keys for Windows. Microsoft can't sue you directly, but they can definitely try and force you to beg for mercy by applying their lobster style pressure to suppliers.

lobster style

Mobster*

[ashen spindle]

I really doubt they would even need to pressure anyone, there are clearly some breaches of contracts here

[ashen spindle]

what? why would it launch tomorrow, on a saturday, when it's not even announced yet

[reef patrol]

If they're not the ones breaking them, they can ignore it

[ashen spindle]

usually they announce and launch x weeks later

[astral haven]

announce
launch
whatever

[ashen spindle]

ok but the announcement is supposed on 16th of march

that is not tomorrow

[reef patrol]

Also the contracts are usually for delivery, not sales. So you can ship a product s day before the launch.

Or sell pre-orders weeks ahead.

[ashen spindle]

sure, but I dont think mindfactory has any pre-order system

usually if you buy it it gets shipped asap

[astral haven]

oh hunh

[zenith sonnet]

Seems like my router now supports WPA3
Hadn't even heard of it before

[astral haven]

ooh it got delayed

[ashen spindle]

also sure they might not be the ones directly breaching contract, but there is no way any judge would give you a free pass on that if it were to come to it lmao

[reef patrol]

Or course he would

Of*

[astral haven]

they probably arent dumb enough to actually ship the cpus

[ashen spindle]

"hey you are aware these things should only be allowed to be sold next month but I sell them to you already" I don't see how you can not be made an accomplice in that scenario

[astral haven]

also a judge probably wouldnt care

much

[reef patrol]

Contracts are not the same as breaking the law

[ashen spindle]

ehh I guess

[astral haven]

and if they get sued
"you told us about the delay too late"

[ashen spindle]

that ain't holding when it's literally just 1 SKU that is listed

also what delay

when was it ever supposed to come out before end of February

[astral haven]

march 1

announced before q2

[ashen spindle]

never heard of anything earlier than late march tbh

also, even if, that would still be a week early

[astral haven]

its in reviewer hands rn

and the desync bug is causing a delay

might just be delaying review embargo and preorder date?

same actual release date?

[fair gull]

so 3years after the release they finally support it

[ashen spindle]

back during CES this january it was already more or less confirmed the launch would be late amrch

[astral haven]

there was an embargo date set for march 1 at some point

[ashen spindle]

that might've been the original date for the announcement which is now supposed to be 16th probably

[astral haven]

probably yea

[old marlin]

they did so fro a while now

not like WPA3 has any big changes

just fixes 2 security holes

[fair gull]

id say 2 rather big holes tho

[old marlin]

well

any security hole is big

[zenith sonnet]

Oh wow

Vodafone cancelled my contract

[old marlin]