It could be just to be able to absorb the familiarity
#šātech
reef tundra
neat oriole
Nah
The buds follows the harman research target very closely
So they definitely helped to tune the thing
reef tundra
Most likely made in the same factory
neat oriole
Probably
reef tundra
Like many other products. Brandname and generic all get made in the same factory sometimes the same machines but different instruction
cursive summit
The whole Harman thing. Is it just a marketing tactic or it actually is good?
neat oriole
I think the harman target for closed backs is decent
For open backs maybe less so
But itās overall a pretty safe target curve
crisp granite
very nice, comrade
neat oriole
Sennheisers donāt actually take that much power
You can drive it off of the standard Apple dongle
frozen vale
interface was a pain but they were great
Do you really get much out of running a phone or whatever to one of those portable amps before your headphones?
Ah I think I am thinking of the portable dac + amp setups
lol
Some AKG N20 earbud of unknown quality, have a pair of AKG k7xx I don't use as portable though, someday some actual IEM...
kk
yeahhhhh rather would like replacable cables
cursive summit
According to Mr. Del Rizzo: "It's not just a driver thing. There is a secure handshake between the driver, the RTX 3060 silicon, and the BIOS (firmware) that prevents removal of the hash rate limiter."
Didn't Linus install some experimental chinese bios on a mining card and gamed on it
crisp granite
https://www.techpowerup.com/278712/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-anti-mining-feature-g...
lol
finally
I might finally get an RTX 3000 card for my pa now
yep
neat oriole
Z reviews positively deaf
cursive summit
Oh shit that's one hardcore pops then
reef patrol
Now he can play it in 4K HD remastered.
Imagine experiencing that for the first time. Legitimately.
crisp granite
Now he can play it in 4K HD remastered.
that's the plan, ngl
reef patrol
My dad used to play Serious Sam. And he got super nostalgic when he saw the HD recently š
neat oriole
Zeos is a terrible reviewer, the guyās main objective is to fuel flavour of the month purchases to farm affiliate links
crisp granite
he actually showed me his discs for AoE III and age of mythology, he lost his AoE II discs
:sadge:
reef tundra
Area of Mice?
crisp granite
nah
neat oriole
Now watch him shill the HD8XX to pay off his house
crisp granite
Area of Mice?
age of mythology, not great imo
reef patrol
I wanted to love Rise of Nations so much...but AI and nuke counter ruined it for me š
reef tundra
Hmmm vaguely remember playing it. might be on the DS lite
reef patrol
First time I ever experienced an AI that would rather lose the game for everyone than lose š
"If players use more than 10 nukes, the game is over, everyone loses"
AI: Iiiiiiiiiiinteresting.
crisp granite
Hmmm vaguely remember playing it. might be on the DS lite
there is a version of it for it...rotting somewhere
it sucked so much
actually
cursive summit
Why'd you even invest in 999$+ headphones
crisp granite
it's somewhere with all my other DS lite shit, probably next to my copy of new super mario bros (the other game I didn't really like for the DS lite)
neat oriole
If you really like listening to music and spend many hours a day doing it I donāt see why you couldnāt
Yes of course
reef tundra
The Settlers 2 (10th anniversery) was pretty fun according to my memory. Where loaded up the tutorial level and made a super nation to win
neat oriole
Like honestly itās pretty similar to keyboards in that diminishing returns kick in pretty quickly
crisp granite
yeah
reef tundra
I was too bad to actually play the game lmao
crisp granite
with headphones, I usually just get "buy HD6XX and <Insert cheap dac/amp combo>"
neat oriole
Itās more about aesthetics but aesthetics also definitely have an influence on what headphones people buy
neat oriole
Like honestly for most people an HD6XX is all theyāll ever need
And if you really like the 6XX youāll have to spend over 1k to get something thatās close to a straight upgrade
As in does everything equally or better without any trade offs
crisp granite
I kinda wanna get the dream display but I don't think I'll be able to hit a good FPS with it (or can afford it rn)
dream display = Samsung G9
zenith sonnet
https://www.techpowerup.com/278712/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-anti-mining-feature-g...
I don't like this at all.
Sure, the mining craze sucks for PC gaming, but I still believe that the silicon should remain agnostic to the purpose of the software they're calculating for.
frozen vale
So did I screw up buying the k7xx instead of the HD 6xx?
neat oriole
I mean
Iād say 6XX is better
But you might like the imo bloated bass on the 7XX
And the wider presentation
They already kinda do that tho
reef tundra
Slip hazard
crisp granite
question from a non audiophile pleb: should I get a DAC or Amp for HD6XX, or is running them straight fine?
neat oriole
question from a non audiophile pleb: should I get a DAC or Amp for HD6XX, or is ...
You need both to make sound really
Whatās your budget
crisp granite
uh, reasonable
crisp granite
entry level audiophile prices
neat oriole
Yeah NA dong will drive a 6XX
crisp granite
so, NA dong and HD6XX?
neat oriole
Sure
crisp granite
alright then
reef tundra
E X P A N D D O N G
cursive summit
@crisp granite Well you are lucky you actually live in CN, europeans don't get that shit
neat oriole
But the 6XX is a headphone that scales well with gear so maybe later down the line you can get a schiit stack or atom stack
Or even a tube amp
crisp granite
<@!449275309909344266> Well you are lucky you actually live in CN, europeans don...
need a proxy for "that shit"?
reef tundra
Weird place to order an dong.. the apple store
cursive summit
@crisp granite Yep
crisp granite
because if so, I'm no help
I don't think I could get Canadian herb to Lithuania sadly
reef tundra
Dank kush?
neat oriole
Usually itās not a good idea to spend more on your amp than you do on your headphones but in the case of a 6XX a Schiit Valhalla 2 is really nice for it from what Iāve heard
reef tundra
Can one orgasm by sound alone?
frozen vale
What level dac would generally pair at that level?
neat oriole
What level dac would generally pair at that level?
What level?
frozen vale
The Valhalla 2
neat oriole
I mean a Modi works
Wouldnāt bother with the modius since itās a balanced dac and Valhalla isnāt balanced
You also donāt need balanced for 6XX unless you want to spend more money on cables
crisp granite
ok, I was wondering about that too
frozen vale
but silver plated oxygen free copper....
crisp granite
thanks for answering my question before I asked
cursive summit
@crisp granite tbh though just get the E1DA PowerDac if you want just a DAC, or the 9038 if you also want some amping power
crisp granite
<@!449275309909344266> tbh though just get the E1DA PowerDac if you want just a ...
but D O N G
neat oriole
Just get dong
cursive summit
@crisp granite PowerDac is also a dong
neat oriole
Oh I thought you linked that 9038 thing
neat oriole
The dongle is really quite excellent considering itās only $9
Dongles only downfall is not being able power stuff like planars and low sensitivity dynamics
cursive summit
Fuck's an HPA? High powered amp?
neat oriole
Head Phone Amp
crisp granite
The dongle is really quite excellent considering itās only $9
10 canook bucks
neat oriole
You in Canada?
crisp granite
You in Canada?
ye
neat oriole
Nice
crisp granite
literally the price of a souuoobway souuoob
crisp granite
yep
neat oriole
Gotta import all this shit
crisp granite
the markets for everything is pretty weak here
the keeb space is a bit odd
other than a few canadian stores acting as proxies for a GB or two, it's import from the US
crisp granite
nice
neat oriole
My first actual custom sorta
crisp granite
I was thinking about the NK65-superuser, just so I can get an NK65
reef patrol
Because it's no different than buying and collecting stamps, or porcelain? š
neat oriole
The NK65 milkshake is a Gesamtkunstwerk
reef patrol
Mechs just happen to be more about the parts and the sum thereof.
reef patrol
Then it's going to be very difficult to convince you then š
crisp granite
I just like a nice feeling keeb under my fingers
that's why I like this hobby
I can tune everything, to my liking
neat oriole
I just like nice headphones and keyboards and knives and pens and etc
I donāt even use reddit
crisp granite
because my preferences change with what I do
I don't like linears for typing
but for gaming, they're my first choice
neat oriole
To be fair thereās probably a subreddit for everything
crisp granite
there's a subreddit for wooting keebs of all things
neat oriole
cursive summit
To be fair thereās probably a subreddit for everything
r/MemphisSwingers
crisp granite
which is what I do, but I also like changing up the feel of things every now and then
that's why I try out new mouse shapes and keeb layouts, switches, caps
usually I sell my old stuff on or give them to a friend
I understand
old marlin
eh
crisp granite
I'm just gonna say it, I find parts of this hobby (mech keebs) pretty stupid
old marlin
depends on what you collect
crisp granite
like the endless GMK GBs
old marlin
some allow you to at least build some knowledge aroudn it
keebs are kinda limited in that regard though
and the possibilities with audio are rarely used
keebs could allow you to get into CAD for example though
eh
neat oriole
I also use things for many years
old marlin
not reaaaly true
if you actually do design yourself
there are some landmark ones
aka polaris
as a recent example
old marlin
the more budget oriented ones might actually impact the industry as a whole
neat oriole
But really most of my hobbies stem from me trying to figure things out
old marlin
and to get the right ideas for making a good cheap board you need good expensive boards
crisp granite
so pumped for a ergodox lekker PCB
neat oriole
Like Iāve bought all those headphones because I was trying to figure out whatās good and whatās bad, trying to figure out what I liked. Most of the stuff Iāve bought earlier Iāve sold or given away.
neat oriole
I am stuck with a bunch of shit tho because I feel bad trying to sell shit to people who donāt know
neat oriole
Like I havenāt bought a new knife in years
crisp granite
tbh, there was one hobby I had that was stupidly odd in the past
neat oriole
Ok thatās a lie a bought one last year to see whatās going on in Europe and it wasnāt too hot
crisp granite
Ok thatās a lie a bought one last year to see whatās going on in Europe and it w...
knives are cool though
neat oriole
But I would say overall me being into knives have helped me understand ergonomics better
neat oriole
Itās subtle
old marlin
and watches is like ???
crisp granite
yeah
old marlin
rich man "hobby"
crisp granite
watches are just stupid imo
I got this phone with a vibrating piece of cadmium or some shit that can tell time quite well
neat oriole
I have one of them satellite synced solar powered watches thatāll last me for a decade at least so Iām set
crisp granite
I really have no need for a mess of gears strapped to my wrist
neat oriole
Tell him the slysz Bowie is overrated see what he responds with 
crisp granite
I used to keep my phone on me all the time
old marlin
Tell him the slysz Bowie is overrated see what he responds with <a:aPES_Laugh:66...
I can tell you that it prob would not be legal in germany 
crisp granite
but I haven't touched it since march of last year
I don't even remember where I left it
lol
old marlin
ah
neat oriole
Itās a knife
old marlin
yea idk
crisp granite
what do you do with it
flagellation
neat oriole
For me I appreciate small design details theyāve put in
crisp granite
I appreciate a knife that cuts well, handles well and holds an edge well
neat oriole
Heāll definitely react to the slysz Bowie
old marlin
and he injured himself so he couldn't even use them for quite a while
old marlin
yea idk
neat oriole
And last time I checked they were going for $600+ on the second hand market
old marlin
it's a knife
old marlin
ah ok
crisp granite
different finish or design
old marlin
so just about individualism
neat oriole
I have a slysz itās alright. The handle is contoured so it fits better in the hand, the blade finish is this polished stone wash finish which is quite nice
neat oriole
The pocket clip is low profile and unassuming
Itās a great example of something thatās potentially āsuper normalā
crisp granite
I remember buying a knife at lee valley a while ago, the one flipper I ever used
pretty nice
pretty slender
maybe a bit gaudy, but a fairly good knife
crisp granite
this is that knife
neat oriole
This is the best office knife tbh
crisp granite
This is the best office knife tbh
that size bothers me
misty saffron
you guys british by any chance
crisp granite
nope
neat oriole
M8 I would be thrown in prison for how many knives I have if I were British
neat oriole
that size bothers me
Itās very small yes
neat oriole
crisp granite
my knife was $130 CAD overall
neat oriole
You vs the guy she told you not to worry about
CRKT is definitely over priced
More expensive knives can endure more abuse 
crisp granite
lol
neat oriole
You wouldnāt want to pry anything with a knife tip
crisp granite
For prying
I use a prybar for prying
I don't see the appeal of a fancy knife either
crisp granite
yeah
neat oriole
Yep
crisp granite
if that had a nice rounded wooden handle, I would have said "nice"
cursive summit
@neat oriole Since you're the friendly neighborhood audio expert
How is planar and magnet sound different
How they work is fundamentally different, how about the sound?
cursive summit
You know, your casual 50mm neodymium magnets vs a "planar" in terms of sound
neat oriole
One isnāt better than the other
Itās more down to implementation
But in general
Planars are faster but less dynamic
zenith sonnet
Speaking of knifes...
Anyone recommend something for holding trapezoid blades? Cause the shit we get at work is bloody awful
old marlin
now planar vs electrostatic 
neat oriole
Estat is shit
old marlin
crisp granite
lol, do they still make these today?
neat oriole
The best sounding estat sounds nothing an estat
Estat is what you get when you maximize the strengths and weaknesses of planar basically
zenith sonnet
Reminds me...
The one thing I don't like about the Sundara is that's it much less open and has a much smaller soundstage than the K712
old marlin
good thing you only spent a couple k to actually hear why it is bad
neat oriole
Soundstage has nothing to do with driver technology tbh
zenith sonnet
Soundstage has nothing to do with driver technology tbh
I know
neat oriole
Soundstage is mostly the result of how far away the driver is from your ear and how the FR is
zenith sonnet
To put it in perspective
The Sundara sounds like the sound is in my head
The K712 sounds like I'm floating in a space of sound
crisp granite
let me piss people off here and now
neat oriole
Sundara still has better imaging and layering imo
crisp granite
I think there razer blackshark V2s sound great
old marlin
I think there razer blackshark V2s sound great
prob doesn't sound shit
crisp granite
it's ok
old marlin
but also prob easily gets destroyed by some decent headphones
crisp granite
definitely could be better
neat oriole
I think there razer blackshark V2s sound great
crisp granite
but for $140 CAD with a sound card, decent mic and two year warranty, it's alright
old marlin
sound card 
neat oriole
zenith sonnet
Sundara still has better imaging and layering imo
Not arguing about the quality of the sound here, but it's one feature I loved about the K712
neat oriole
Not using a dong 
Imaging is directional placement of sound, layering is well depth placement of sound
old marlin
has to the with 3d perception
one describes direction
one describes distance
with good imaging you could say where a sound comes from directionally
with good layering you can make out how far it is
eh
kinda
you can have a wide soundstage
but absolutely no imaging or layerting
everything sounds like it comes from everywhere
and all the same distance
zenith sonnet
Something like that, I guess
What search term would I use on a place like Amazon?
neat oriole
Think of it like this, soundstage is the size of the screen, imaging is the pixel density
crisp granite
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/641764448591413248/734643157865594900/vid...
you're aware that I've previously only listened to other gaming headphones right?
I'll probably laugh at that statement of mine when I try literally anything else tbh
old marlin
cursive summit
So are the 712's better than the Sundaras or what
ashen spindle
... thats blue
true quest
one hell of a way to find out
neat oriole
I gotta eat Iāll answer your questions when Iām done eating lol
true quest
reds appear grey
old marlin
@digital cliff how do you usually listen music?
zenith sonnet
<@!211151302535806976> teppichmesser
Then I'm getting those with retractable blades
old marlin
like
do you try to get them in high quality etc
@zenith sonnet literally first result
yea was wondering if you could not make out what we mean cause you only listened to lwoer quality music or something
nah
one is directionally
other is distance
giving something direction is quite easy
ah
yea soundstage is more an overall thing
to how distant things sound
but with shit layering evrything still sounds the same distance
just further away
sorry
absolutely cursed knife btw
or is that a knive
dunno
cursive summit
Now you have a literal box knife for you illiterate plebians
old marlin
?
cursive summit
Box cutter is sometimes called a knife, a box knife
So they literally made a box knife 
crisp granite
cutter knife
old marlin
we use the english word cutter btw
old marlin
even though it does not get used in german anywhere else
crisp granite
languages are odd
zenith sonnet
I'll try this
zenith sonnet
LOL
reef patrol
it's a maliwan
While you were packing boxes, I studied the blade
old marlin
crisp granite
wait
zenith sonnet
Think of the cheapest thing you can buy
old marlin
glad I work in IT
and you can buy a DL380 for 35 euros
with power usage anything older makes no sense
zenith sonnet
glad I work in IT
I've yet to see a place that provides appropriate hardware
That does not lag when trying to use Office or SAP...
For example
old marlin
at least our end user devices tend to be pretty fast
SAP can obv be slow due to other reasons
number one reason would be: it is SAP wtf do you expect
glad we don't use their shit
wait really
neat oriole
@digital cliff sound stage is just how big the stage is. Imaging and layering is just how detailed that stage is in terms of directional and distance information. So say youāre listening to orchestral, and on something with not so good imaging and layering, maybe the violins and woodwinds sound like theyāre from vaguely the same direction; but on headphones with really good imaging and layering you can tell the woodwinds are slightly to the right of the violins and a bit further back.
cursive summit
What are currently the "best" warm sound headphones for gaming and music
Sub 500$
cursive summit
If only it was easy to obtain it
neat oriole
HD650 then
neat oriole
Sound stage is a bit small but itās about head size Iād say
But if Iām honest the smallest sound stage and the biggest sound stage arenāt that different
Bass is natural sounding
Not super well extended into the sub bass
But overall itās pretty dynamic
wheat plume
They are literally called the high end xd wow
neat oriole
660 worse than 600/650 imo
I found HD650 for ā¬280 on Thomann
@cursive summit
Hmmm excluding VAT
neat oriole
Buying used Sundara is a bit of a dice roll
Hifiman made at least 1 silent revision to the Sundara and itās hard to tell which is which
neat oriole
I mean anyone can lie about it
Thereās no real way of identifying it
Unless you measure you pair on an industry standard rig
Serial numbers are none sequential either
cursive summit
Do Sony even make good wired headphones?
I had a pair of 40$ Sony's. The sound was genuinely not half bad, for back then.
neat oriole
Do Sony even make good wired headphones?
Nah, but iems are pretty good
frozen vale
I love the look of the MDR-CD900ST
neat oriole
The IER-M7, M9, and Z1R are all very competent iems
The over ear Z1R is honestly not good at all for the price
frozen vale
I just wish my k7xx were not creaky
neat oriole
IEM Z1R is one of the best iems you can buy but only if it fits in your ear
frozen vale
the z1r is beautiful though
neat oriole
frozen vale
gotta love a nice package
neat oriole
You could probably get a custom U12T for around that price
But in terms of sound they are up there
Customs are great for isolation for sure
Actually wait U12T is a bit more money
Anyways both top notch sound in terms of IEMs
That said you donāt have to spend 2k on iems to have fun, Moondrop blessing 2 and blessing 2 dusk are amazing iems at $320
reef patrol
I have cats. Wireless is a must xD
neat oriole
AirPods Pro arenāt bad
reef patrol
Gotta get a soldering iron and start making sleeved cables.
neat oriole
Then thereās stuff like AKG N400, Sony WF1000-XM3, Samsung Galaxy Buds, Buds +, Buds Pro.
Galaxy buds are like $50 right now from Walmart in the states
wheat plume
Zen kernel devs are quick AF
wheat plume
xd
frozen vale
Definitely prefer wired, but do love my QC35 for work
ivory geyser
Instagram has clients?
wheat plume
ivory geyser
I mean, I dont even know how instagram works except for being a photo-gallery for people... but hey
Cool stuff
wheat plume
This let's you watch stories anonymously
And download posts
misty pier
i just use it to keep tabs with my friends from school
sometimes they post cool stuff
zenith sonnet
Hifiman made at least 1 silent revision to the Sundara and itās hard to tell whi...
How do I know I got good ones? Did they improve or downgrade them?
pale sigil
best ways to diagnose hardware issues?
pale sigil
like i legit cant play cod anymore like anyone else and mc is just not rnning great either lately
both cpu intense
neat oriole
How do I know I got good ones? Did they improve or downgrade them?
The revision improved them for most people
zenith sonnet
The revision improved them for most people
Why only most?
neat oriole
Post revision Sundara has better bass extension and less shouty mid range
Iām just saying some people might have liked the mid range emphasis
timid chasm
This let's you watch stories anonymously
And download posts
So it just let's you creep?
zenith sonnet
That's a lot of image with a severe lack of context
vast moss
Another comparison question, this time for Bluetooth speakers: Assuming I can get the Anker Soundcore 2, Cambridge OontZ Angle 3 Ultra, and Tribit XSound Go each for about $35, which should I go for? If not any of those, then what (under $40 if possible)? My primary concern is sound quality, but 3.5mm connectivity is greatly appreciated, and water and dust resistance and USB Type-C are nice to have.
Primary concerns are budget and sound quality
comprehensible
I'm not too familiar with them either, which is why I'm asking here in case someone else is more versed.
I've spent the past several hours looking through reviews, and it seems that in terms of sound quality, the Angle is slightly better than the Soundcore, but I don't know how the XSound factors in
I see. I'll have to look into that then
Main use would probably be in the car since the entertainment center seems shot now. That's why I'm not hyper-fixated on the absolute best sound quality, but something that sounds OK for a nice price to boot, just in case I take it outside the car too
Not a whole lot of big-name reviews for these speakers, just some small-time ones, some of which were not exactly helpful
gotcha. another idea is to just buy all three, try to quickly figure out which I prefer, and keep that and return the other two. But finding a better speaker used seems like the play
I know a store somewhat near me that has some, but I donāt often get to go since itās over an hour away
neat oriole
I feel like at $35 youāre basically buying e waste in terms of Bluetooth speakers
vast moss
I see
cursive summit
So my Dell XPS 13 Tiger Lake has a higher single core score than 3rd gen Ryzen
Sounds about right
vast moss
According to...?
cursive summit
vast moss
wack
vast moss
I feel like at $35 youāre basically buying e waste in terms of Bluetooth speaker...
If that's the case, then at what point would you say it's worth getting a speaker? Is it acceptable to be looking in the $60-$75 range, or should I take it up to the triple digits?
neat oriole
Speakers arenāt really my thing, I just feel like itās better to buy something thatās good and will last a long time
shut vessel
Edifier makes pretty nice speakers they have bluetooth versions too, not sure about prices... seen them discounted to 70~80 euro before
chrome estuary
I bought a set of Samsung TW-J5500 that I got for like 200$ some years ago?
They're not bookshelfs, they're full tower speakers
Self powered, whole nine yards
zenith sonnet
Thinking a little more about it...
Nvidia has probably been looking to implement a more adaptable way than doing it in silicon to cut compute performance on their GPUs for some time.
I guess they just chose this opportunity to go ahead with this while avoiding too much bad press?
reef patrol
I'm still betting virtual money that miners will find a workaround within weeks.
Too much money on the table not to see an arms race.
zenith sonnet
Which would work in Nvidia's favour, I guess
They get their beta run and free testing on current hardware
reef patrol
I like the idea of forcing gaming cards to be gaming. And miners not bothering at all.
But... I'll see it before I believe it š
zenith sonnet
I do not like the idea of crippling silicon or locking it to specific workloads
It should be agnostic to the software it's running
Next thing we're seeing: "Wanna be a creator? Pay us xxx$ to unlock the full potential of your Nvidia ā¢ļø creators card!"
reef patrol
I mean... in a utopian state. But this is already the case. Gaming cards are designed with VRAM and core counts for gaming.
Production cards like the Quadros are not - Different work case.
And then you have mining ASICS and such.
The GPU miners feel like more of a parasite by chance than an intended market.
(And personally I absolutely loathe mining, because it's producing literally nothing of practical worth out of a ton of power š )
zenith sonnet
There's a difference between designing silicon to be good for a specific workload
And artificially locking it down to not be good at other workloads
reef patrol
Hence - "Parasite" š
ashen spindle
(And personally I absolutely loathe mining, because it's producing literally not...
hey hey, that's not true, only for 99.99% of the cases :p
zenith sonnet
Either this feature is so specific it only works for specific coins (They're talking only Eth at the moment), or it will trigger false positives (such as folding@home)
Does Mining exceed video streaming for the world biggest power hog yet?
reef patrol
practical use
zenith sonnet
That's arguable for either...
reef patrol
I disagree.
You're not gaining anything of inherent worth by doing mining calculations. You are gaining entertainment from streaming.
Would I love to go back to a local storage method? Sure. The industry doesn't š
zenith sonnet
Technically, I would probably also get enjoyment out of setting up a mining rig
And watching Numbers go up
reef patrol
zenith sonnet
Anyway, the point is, neither creates anything practical
reef patrol
I disagree.
fickle ore
yeah they should ban crypto and mining tbh
zenith sonnet
That's not possible or reasonable. For the same reason, you'd have to ban Furmark.
It just needs legislation
reef patrol
That's a terrible argument.
fickle ore
very terrible
ashen spindle
It has very good points, I think the negative points by far outweigh the benefits so far and I wish any mining could just be reduced to like 1% efficeny on gpus
reef patrol
Intent is perfectly possible to legislate.
ashen spindle
but till someone or something makes more sense of it, I just use it as a way to make money bc why not 
(trading, not mining)
zenith sonnet
Have fun trying to make legislation around what my CPU or GPU is allowed to calculate and what not
reef patrol
It's not about the singular machine. It's about corporate exploit.
fickle ore
Eh, the idea of mining was already figured out before blockchain. You can use it for something (no worthy uses yet) but mining continues to fuck up climate/environment
reef patrol
You wouldn't ban a single PC mining anything. You'd ban the idea of having a server farm doing it.
halcyon moss
^^^ this
reef patrol
There's already plenty of law pertaining to access to the power grid on this scale.
Except in places like China and India of course, where power is also cheap. It's not a one step ladder š
fickle ore
I would just ban cryptocoins trading, if I were a government, with a hefty time in jail if caught
mining would tank
ashen spindle
lmao, yeah that sounds like the hardest and probably worst way to solve it imo
fickle ore
nah
reef patrol
That IS an idea - The trouble with banning currency means you're creating a shadow market.
fickle ore
most trading platforms require proof of ID/Residence/bank account, so its trackable
reef patrol
Crypto would end up being even more of money laundry scheme š
fickle ore
yeah true
zenith sonnet
Legislate and tax it, and list it on currency exchanges
ashen spindle
exactly imagine it would be a black market stock exchange, it would be a million times more profitable to mine
fickle ore
well no, because it becomes too hard to buy/sell for regular joe, so there are no greater fools to buy more (increase price)
mining would tank
ashen spindle
yes for regular joe, regular joe is not the one who mines the most
reef patrol
You could ban mining today and freeze the amount of coins on the market. And the market would simply adjust the value of each coin over time š
fickle ore
it's just money laundering from that point
for criminals
but doesnt use that much energy anymore and worsen the climate
which is a plus
I dont raelly care if it becomes a black market, economy can tank for all I care, but atleast the amount of mining would lessen.
ashen spindle
I dont think it would
fickle ore
why not?
ashen spindle
bc big part of miners already get lots of the hardware via questionable routes, risk of legal punishment makes supply cost more to compensate for the risk, so they will mine just as much if not more imo
- good luck getting any country to be on the tech level that would allow them to make a case that has no loophole around it
realistically would end with some loopholes, long dragged out cases that even if they end with the miners having to stop, so they still mine during that time
fickle ore
Disagree. It doesn't matter if/whether regular joe mines or not. Mining farms spend the most electricity anyway. What matters is, if regular joe cannot buy or sell when it's deemed illegal, mining farms cant sell to greater fools. It would then only exist to trade in blackmarket, which might keep the price of coin stable, but not increase it (no demand). Mining farms only farm if the value is increasing, like it is currently. It's pretty guaranteed nobody would mine coins if people don't expect value to go up due to hype. Mining is a ponzi scheme.
But this might be political so I'll stop
ashen spindle
wait why would miners not be able to sell it
like doesnt matter if its legal or not, they can just sell a used gpu, not like they would need to prove it wasnt used for mining
which you cant really proof anyway
fickle ore
[17:40] Dag: I would just ban cryptocoins trading, if I were a government, with a hefty time in jail if caught.
[17:41] Dag: most trading platforms require proof of ID/Residence/bank account, so its trackable
ashen spindle
yeah and my point is that would not help the issue at all 
fickle ore
I dont see how selling used gpus would be an issue
ashen spindle
ok, I think, if you would rule it out, people would not trade it as much, but it would still have value enough on the black market, so mining would still be done
regular joe with his second pc wont mine anymore, but the big mining farms would still exist
fickle ore
Why would they? For illegal trading in black market it would be used as a currency to trade, but as coin value is not increasing due to hype anymore since there is no demand -> the physical goods would increase in value and coin decrease as more coins enter the black market (inflation)
ashen spindle
just because the price increase would not come from hype and offical stuff using it, doesn't mean it would go down or stay stable
it's a limited ammount of coins, so you will still make money from it, hell it might even be biggger profit without the current regulation from marketforces
fickle ore
Obviously this won't happen anywhere soon, except maybe for China.. So we can see what happens..
My theory is that increasing risk vs reward (uncertainty) the currency tanks due to more risks involved for all parties. It becomes too risky over time to invest capital into farms.
But I could be wrong ofcourse š
ashen spindle
imo, there would still be demand to have the coins, it's riskier to mine, so the supply asks for more and demand would meet it bc they still need it
ofc, hard to know either way, but it would for sure not be a guaranteed way to get rid of mining
fickle ore
The coins would only exist as a mediator to trade goods/$, which itself limits its demand, because everyone would see $/goods higher in value than the mediator currency used. The value of the currency is only tied to its anonymity
Anyway where is my ninox astrum/atompalm hydrogen what the hell
reef patrol
They're useful as a professional. But I too never end up using any, because they never have ALL the stuff I want after a reinstall.
pale sigil
@reef patrol at my old workplace i ran into this issue with new laptops/machines
i just made my own software in the end
reef patrol
Too lazy. I just keep a folder on my NAS with the latest .exes of stuff (at the time) and scripts :;D
reef patrol
Still have my 128GB Swiss army knife.
Windows installers, bootable mini OS's for file access and a bunch of tools.
misty pier
eyyyy teracopy
reef patrol
Yisss
It has saved many a dying HDD's data for customers.
Because Windows' file copy UI is just terrible for "we know some files aren't going to copy properly" situations.
misty pier
yeah exactly
pale sigil
This was last night (score remained the same)
@urban lynx ye I re installed windows
Stock with no overdrive on
Or whatever its called
timid chasm
People turn their PCs off?
urban lynx
People turn their PCs off?
yes
timid chasm
My PC stays on until it acts up then it gets a reboot
expensive heater
Not that I really need a heater in South Carolina but there's like 2 months out of the year lol
misty pier
my pc stays off when i dont use it
timid chasm
I kinda hate mobile devices, I think. I rarely use my phone or a laptop for work and rarely to pass the time
I did get a cheap surface though for notes and a few other things but meh
timid chasm
If you don't need anything too intense I imagine that works well. I always hear horror stories about the newer generations but that could be the vocal minority
misty pier
it does the job well at writing papers and doing some general tasks
igpu is super poop by todays standards
timid chasm
I still have my dell laptop with intel hd 3000...that thing is sloooowww
timid chasm
I think the cpu was an intel 4th gen?
misty pier
my school uses all in one compys with i7 6th gen processors
the engineering classes get more powerful machines
timid chasm
I'm curious now but screw pulling it out just to look
pale sigil
And ssds
misty pier
i don't think my school would allocate that much money for technology
pale sigil
I always used to be jel of my uni computers
misty pier
i was jealous at the stuff the cad students get
pretty nice stuff to do some serious work on
misty pier
we only had imacs in the library/research area
pale sigil
It's annoying because my uni seem to upgrade every gen
misty pier
the rest were those aio pcs
pale sigil
Or two
Before thst they were using 6th gen I7s
And 8th
And they either just bin them or pass em around
I rmemeber seeing a whole cart of 6700ks being sent off :(
I said could I have one and they said nah they have to be destroyed
pale sigil
They wouldn't let me buy one due to laws etc.
misty pier
fair enough
pale sigil
Most companies have to use third part companies to dispose of equipment
timid chasm
Looks like we get Xeon Gold 6000's divided up for our CS machines
pale sigil
The machine we use to host wootmc makes me jel (it's Tony's)
misty pier
im pretty sure my school has some binned electronics ready to get sold
timid chasm
why? I thought you hosted it
pale sigil
It's hosted on Tony's machine
pale sigil
Hahaha I couldn't afford his server š¤£
timid chasm
Just go get you a Ryzen and host it
misty pier
i'd love to host a server but i have shitty american internet
misty pier
ooo server grade processors
pale sigil
@fair gull
misty pier
i heard those epyc units are expensive
timid chasm
Maybe Papa Elon will come to your rescue in a few years Claire, lol
misty pier
please bring me some gigabit internet to these boondocks i live in
nobody wants to run fiber out here
timid chasm
I know the feels. We just got fiber for the first time when we moved here. Back home it's 2Mbps down services basically. 200 kbps actual download š¢
misty pier
where do you even live
pale sigil
misty pier
i'm moving
pale sigil
Pretty much just not being touched at all
timid chasm
I'm praying to Papa Elon to get it back home before I move back home
currently we're in Charleston, SC
originally shitsville, OH
timid chasm
lowcountry transplants
misty pier
just peaches and DSL
timid chasm
better views though, but that hardly remedies the internet
The beach is nice to look at but it gets old fast unless you're right on it
timid chasm
that last ones a killer
pale sigil
pale sigil
Yes
fair gull
reef patrol
fair gull
root@DoomMachine-v3:~# speedtest-cli
Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
Testing from ***************************...
Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
Selecting best server based on ping...
Hosted by ThĆ¼ga SmartService (Hof) [202.25 km]: 4.957 ms
Testing download speed................................................................................
Download: 917.94 Mbit/s
Testing upload speed......................................................................................................
Upload: 735.97 Mbit/s
ooo this is pretty slick https://youtu.be/2XfVqaSiD3c
wheat plume
Hmm
I turned this one and the screen looks better now
Very odd
GTK looks great on Plasma 5.21
starlink?
whats starlink and how expensive?
oh, its that project by Elon?
aha
reef tundra
Why not space lasers?
wheat plume
C O D E
ashen spindle
?
wheat plume
wheat plume
ShawT's got that melody in my head that I cant keep up got me singing like NAH NAH NAH NAH everyday
š
reef tundra
Giving false hope... great business. suckas
wheat plume
Hmm....
true quest
wot
wheat plume
This is new
reef tundra
And two kidneys
last cave
wheat plume
Android 12 developer preview 1
empty wren
Very stable and better in some ways than the past release.
golden girder
@serene oxide This was my post back then: #archived_feed_us_back message
serene oxide
golden girder
Due to my research they sent me a demo connector later on. So I was the first customer who had a proper Type-C connector.
Looks fine.
serene oxide
Ah, yes -- actually, I think I mentioned in one of my posts that I liked the Pololu connector and would likely order some! š I'm glad to hear they worked just as well. I used the Adafruit ones, simply because they were the ones I had lying around in my parts storage.
serene oxide
Looks fine.
Yeah, it came out fine. Nothing exceptional, but clean enough.
The C connector on the Adafruit ones actually don't protrude like they do on the Pololu, so I had to cut away part of the board by hand to get an appropriate amount sticking out into the case hole. That was the only real complication. The rest was very straightforward.
golden girder
Can you post a link for the connector itself?
Were you the guy mentioning that due to the anodization the grounding pin don't work?
serene oxide
I'd used the same board to modify an old CM Storm keyboard with Cherry Browns, and a couple of Apex Pros with a hardwired connector; when I did those I bought a dozen because the shipping made it not worth it to just buy 2 or 3, so those are what I had in hand but I was already used to cutting into them to make the connector protrude a bit more.
Yes, that was me š
golden girder
I added these into my mod.
serene oxide
golden girder
For Lekker they now remove it with a laser. So the grounding should be improved.
serene oxide
Also the same guy that had some LEDs come off his W1 PCB and hand-SMD soldered in some new ones š
(posted photos of that, too, I believe)
golden girder
Not sure how good it will be because the rest of the top plate would be still anodized.
serene oxide
What is it you added?
golden girder
I removed the area around the grounding pin with sand paper for my W1 and W2.
So it's conductive.
serene oxide
Ah, got it. Yes, I'd considered doing that too.
golden girder
In theory it would also make sense to do that on the top plate for each key in the inner stamped out edges.
So if you are charged that it can go from there to the grounding pin.
serene oxide
When I spoke to @fervent plaza about it, he mentioned that the fab had commented about perhaps putting an RC (or perhaps just capacitive) load at the grounding position as well, to avoid any back voltage transients. I thought that might be overkill, as most consumer devices that are bus-powered don't seem to use that kind of grounding circuit, but was intrigued enough to hold off on modding my board.
To sand down a spot for grounding, that is.
Never heard back, so never ended up doing it. Hadn't really thought about it again until today. š
(if editing undid pings, I'd untag him from the above; shame it doesn't... that's two at-mentions from me in one evening, hope he's not too annoyed when he checks in!)
I feel like I've seen C/RC filters like that used on devices that have independent power, but not sure that I've seen them on bus-powered ones.
golden girder
A resistor makes sense to also reduce the amount of current for safety reasons. Otherwise I assume the benefit would be rare. It would only reduce any cross device connections. The resistance of the human should be higher than the internal connection to ground. So no current should leak back if other components have a short.
serene oxide
The capacitor was the key part of it, actually. You're right, the resistor would be of limited use. Nearly none, if used by itself. The only reason to use it would be to effectively turn the lone capacitor into an RC filter.
The intent is to eliminate transients. So you're looking to knock out current spikes, for example -- like the sort of think you'd get from a static charge. Capacitors are the perfect tool for that task, since they're effectively a current sink.
golden girder
Here is my mod for the grounding pin: #archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards message
serene oxide
Yeah, that definitely looks like it should provide an adequate ground point.
I would think that the size of the plate itself would be enough of a chassis ground for the minimal currents we're talking about. (Certainly better than the previous "none at all!") And on the other end, assuming the computer has a properly implemented USB interface, that should connect to its own chassis ground through a similar filter capacitor as I mentioned before.
(Which was kind of my contention wrt the need for a cap at the keyboard side: the filter cap on the host side should probably be sufficient transient control for any bus-powered devices as well.)
golden girder
I'm not familiar for the electrical safety standards. So I can't tell how it should be done correctly.
serene oxide
Still curious what the conclusion was at the fab, though. My specialty certainly isn't power delivery circuitry, so it'd be nice to know what some engineers with specific experience with such PCBs would have to say about it.
Electrical safety standards probably wouldn't say much, to be honest. Max bus electrical capacity is 5V @1A by spec; that doesn't even register by most electrical safety standards. š
golden girder
The old factory wasn't good at all. There were a lot of things which went wrong. Maybe they haven't even care at all.
serene oxide
More just an issue of signal systems and power filtering.
That may be. I'd imagine that'd be incredibly frustrating for the team.
golden girder
There are at least some best practice guides. But I assume there are real requirements you need to fit.
serene oxide
I would assume so. But it'd likely take an experienced engineer to identify which would be the appropriate ones for a given application. I did do some digging through some of the more accessible USB spec docs and some white papers; it helped clarify some potential issues and approaches but the conclusion was still murky.
I can read this stuff and all, but in the end I'm a logic-systems guy; power filtering is somebody else's problem š
golden girder
A good factory should help the vendors with that. It looks like the new does. At least the new keyboards are even tested for EMC.
serene oxide
They absolutely should. That's why I'd wondered about the original fab's response.
I wonder if the reason Jeroen never got back to me on that is that he never heard from them himself.
(Honestly, I just assumed it was because he had more important things on his plate than to indulge in some techie chat with nobody of any particular importance -- which I could completely understand!) š
golden girder
When I'm aware of such things I nag about them from time to time.
Because of that I know that the grounding issue is or should be fixed for the new keyboards.
serene oxide
Well, at least that's good to hear.
I'll indulge myself and tell myself that I had a bit of a hand in helping with that as well. š
golden girder
Of course...
So were you the guy where I had a discussion about the resistance of the anodized layer of the top plate?
He was the first bringing it up in general. š
You were: #archived_questions_answers message
So I would say full credit to you for this. 
serene oxide
š
That was indeed me!
So I get the Lekker SN #00001 as a reward, right? š¤£š¤£š¤£
(can't tell me it wasn't worth a shot!) š
golden girder
I doubt it. I'm just a customer too so I can't even promise anything...
serene oxide
I know. I'm just putting that out into the universe, like a wish on a star š
(actually, now that I think about it, that would put you in the perfect position to promise anything!) š
"Yes, you get that and a pony and free meals from a Michelin-starred chef for life!"
golden girder
If I were Wooting I would provide a unit. Maybe not a unit from the Lekker Special Edition but at least a W2 HE. But maybe someone from Wooting sees this and also think it would be a nice idea.
serene oxide
I like how you think! š
I actually had an opportunity to get an SE board from being on the wait list, but I waited too long š¦ so that's my fault, sadly.
Just bad timing. Took me too long to round up the funds for it. It's been a tricky year for business, with all the pandemic concerns.
golden girder
200 bucks for just a keyboard is huge. Even if others are charging even more...
I even struggled for my W1 which was around 140ā¬.
ashen spindle
so cdna2 this year, as MCM huh
prob means rdna3 not this year but kinda expected
ashen spindle
yes?
fair gull
why wait for cdna2 then
ashen spindle
because rdna is shit for server computing
ashen spindle
still interesting since it might be the first MCM design and that's something any gpu is going towards
fair gull
that yes
the whole mcm will prob be interesting
comparing it to scm
altho im unsure if u can even compare the 2 really
ashen spindle
well it will be interesting to look at what it can do with same power as a monlithic design
how much IO dies or so consume, like on zen2/3
fair gull
true
ashen spindle
also whos knows, maybe cdna will be better for professional use in some areas too like solidworks or so
and there are plenty people here who use stuff like that
fair gull
the question is would those companies optimize for it
cause cdna stuff surely wont be plug and play
ashen spindle
maybe, maybe it's better than the alternative even without optimisations who knows
fair gull
would for sure be nice to have an alternative to quadro cards
crimson wigeon
But isn't one reason for using a not-Chrome build to get away from Google? 
fair gull
shhhh
reef patrol
Derp indeed.
wheat plume
I need to see if Yet Another Magic Lamp works on Plasma 5.21
plush summit
sync was a nice feature for an open source option
but now.......i have to use chrome instead of chromium
wheat plume
it works better for media keys than firefox for me
on youtube, only play/pause works with firefox
and youtube music too :/
ivory geyser
Great, right?
ashen spindle
give me better or at least equal options for google products and I consider them, often just not any options there
wheat plume
YAY IT WORKS <3
ivory geyser
Lana you should stop using Linux, it is turning into a further weeb than you already are
ivory geyser
Privacy a feature, wut?
ashen spindle
I'm not going to waste hours on bing or duckduckgo to find what I need for work just because I dont like googles privacy settings
wheat plume
ddg is great <3
ashen spindle
yeah except when I cant find shit so I just use google anyway
ivory geyser
I dont give 2 fucks what Google does with my privacy data as long as they dont steal my credit cards tbh.
ashen spindle
for example?
ivory geyser
Not entirely sure what people are so afraid of with Google doing with their data to be fair.
ashen spindle
sure I'll give those a shot the next time I'm looking for something
can almost guarantee you they wont find what I need
ivory geyser
What field do you work in Quintosh?
ashen spindle
right now software used with 5G connections
ivory geyser
Oh
ivory geyser
Yea, finding those github issues, stack overflows posts and docs on non-google...
Good luck lol
ashen spindle
yup
ivory geyser
I feel sorry for you Lana
ashen spindle
so the same as using google with an addon to block that stuff? what's the point of it then
ivory geyser
uhhhh
ashen spindle
ok but the product literally cant get better at stuff because it relies on google?
ivory geyser
Every I hear about these tree things I want to throw up, because that is about as blatant, low effort PR move as one can possibly get...
wheat plume
they actually do plant tress
ivory geyser
I think only cheaper and more obvious PR is corps touting on about supporting children hospitals.
wheat plume
every certain number of searches means a tree gets planted
wheat plume
oohhhhhhhhhh
ashen spindle
so bad results and I dont even need to try it
wheat plume
there is a search engine that does
ivory geyser
That is all good Lana, but the issue with trees is idiots cutting down tree too quick in south America mostly. The replanting is a nice gesture, but it is just... really weak in comparison.
wheat plume
hence why I thought it was ecosia
ivory geyser
You plant 100,000 trees from millions of searches over a day, meanwhile Brazil alone cut down 10,000,000 of them in an hour.
It is kinda saddening when you think of this tbh
ashen spindle
yeah I'd rather not lose my job over that though
wheat plume
how tf would you lose your job by switching search engine?
ivory geyser
By being a developer...
ashen spindle
because I cant get shit don in time and if I tell someone they find the solution in 2 minutes?
ivory geyser
No, not stack overflow.
wheat plume
ddg works just as well
ashen spindle
it doesnt
ivory geyser
No, ddg doesnt work just as well
Heck, even google sometimes doesnt find what you need and you need to crawl git and forums.
ashen spindle
sure, for generic stuff in university, probably works just fine
ivory geyser
But at least it tends to point you in the general direction well.
I have same experiences as Quintosh in this.
Half of the time, anything except for Google is 100% useless.
They just give me entirely useless results.
reef patrol
Hear hear.
ivory geyser
That get me nowhere closer to fixing the issue.
ivory geyser
Hear hear.
reef patrol
That means "I agree" š
ivory geyser
Mansen are you being intentionally random again to "uplift" the discussion, because you are trying to prevent an argument brewing? 
reef patrol
What? xD
No I literally agree with your point that Google is basically the only engine worth using for tech support.
ivory geyser
how havent you heard that before?
Dunno, no one ever used it before around me
reef patrol
(Sponsored by GoogleTM)
ivory geyser
In all honesty tho, I am often amazed at Google, because it lets people use their services with adblockers, tracker-blockers, etc. and don't even throw a hissy-fit about it.
People keep bitching about google tracking.
But like... what do people want? It is a company, not a charity.
ashen spindle
plenty of ways to make money without such a heavy invasion in privacy
just not makin as much money so they choose this way
reef patrol
The idea of privacy is silly in this day and age.
ivory geyser
Kinda
reef patrol
As hard as it may be to hear š
ashen spindle
and that's fucking sad
ivory geyser
Why?
ashen spindle
doesn't mean though one should fully give it up and at least look for compromises instead of fully giving it up
ivory geyser
More ideas get out in the open and get talked about an discussed with less privacy.
ashen spindle
"saying you dont need privacy bc you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say currently"
dont remember who said it
but that should be a pretty easy point to understand
reef patrol
I'd love privacy. But I am not kidding myself. Cutting off anything Google owns cold turkey is only going to cause me more issues than privacy gains.
My debit card, my taxes, any kind of social media. And so on and so forth š
Unless you want to move to a country without any kind of state ID and go full on prepper, you've got a shadow profile š
wheat plume
I wish I could not use anything facebook related but I have to use whatsapp and messenger for college -.-
fml
Yeah, all the society chats are on messenger
reef patrol
Yep. Same here.