I just don't get what the "S" stands for. Shouldn't it be "UCB"?
#šātech
wheat plume
I'm a cereal killer
hard thicket
"universal"
then there is Type c
2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 gen this gen that
just hope that the whole mess stops with USB 4 finally
i know it won't 
waiting for usb 4.2 gen 2 to become a thing
i appreciated the type c on my 2080
a free additional high speed port
it's more because of
wattage
ashen spindle
just hope that the whole mess stops with USB 4 finally
it wont because you already wrote it wrong 
it's USB4 not USB 4
hard thicket
pls
ashen spindle
not even joking
hard thicket
whats the difference
ashen spindle
the empty space
hard thicket
hard thicket
even if doesn't matter
if someone says usb 4 you MOST LIKELY will know what it is about
rugged pelican
crimson wigeon
I only know USB4.1 gen 1.0
hard thicket
sudden glacier
hard thicket
makes me wanna slap you with my DB25 connector simon
hard thicket
okay you win
that shit hurts
or perhaps..
may i introduce @reef patrol
H24B
the size of an rear IO shield
i want a Keeb with that
reef patrol
neat oriole
I mean
Which version of the 990 do you even have
I mean I did say the dac magic thing seemed pretty unremarkable but I guess you know now
I mean the 990 has always been very sibilant
I guess return it and wait for schiit restock or w/e
Itās your money
And Iāve already given you all the more competitive options
If you intend to keep your tube amp Iād still recommend something like a sennheiser HD580/600/650
Warm sounding with smooth treble
Slight mid emphasis
Doesnāt have a lot of bass
Pairs well with more acoustic music and stuff like classic rock
Not the best for stuff like EDM or a lot of modern pop
I mean 990 isnāt really good for anything on account of how sibilant it is
What do you listen to
Well itās not really going to work with your tub amp
HD560s might suit your musical tastes more than an HD650 but it doesnāt like tube amps
crisp granite
marine plywood is pretty damn good
I'd pay that much for a sheet
eeeysh
that reminds me
reef patrol
300 bucks for PLYwood? Erm.
crisp granite
I was gonna build a kayak from scratch this summer
nah
thinner is better for marine plywood, since it's used to make boats
and ^^
MDF is cheaper for a reason
wow
how big are the sheets?
4'x8'?
heh
I think there are some in my city actually
or just outside of it
neat oriole
Sell your 990 and little dot to some Schmuck on reddit and buy a meizu dongle and an HD560S
Iād get a new amp before you get your 560s
I mean a schiit stack is a bit overkill for a 560s
An Apple dongle or a meizu dongle would do fine
560s pretty easy to drive
Itās not about the money
There are $2400 headphones that sound like ass
There are also $20 headphones that sound amazing
The 990 is really not a good headphone in subjective areas or objective areas
zenith sonnet
The Sundara has a little too much clamping force. Can you reduce that by 20% or so?
neat oriole
Emu teak, a $450 headphone, one of the best sounding closed backs under $1000. Can be driven off of an Apple dongle to ear deafening volumes.
neat oriole
The Sundara has a little too much clamping force. Can you reduce that by 20% or ...
I think youāll just have to stretch them out over time
zenith sonnet
Or get used to it
neat oriole
That too
zenith sonnet
It's uncomfortable, but fortunately not painful
last cave
Sorry this is not the place for audiophile nerdgasms. Kthxbai
neat oriole
last cave
neat oriole
Why because itās cheap?
Money =/= performance
Also Amazon
Thereās probably some local store that carries it too
EU Apple dong is like half power of the meizu dong but it might still work for the HD560s
Are you against giving money to Apple as well?
The dongle is $9
In what world is that over priced
Meizu is $20
ashen spindle
buy apple stock, buy dongle, sell apple stock, profit and you took moeny from apple 
neat oriole
What does this have anything to do with buying a $9 dongle 
The dongle is the best thing appleās made in years
It performs really well, is really cheap, whatās wrong with that?
If you absolutely refuse to get a dongle then I guess your next best option is to wait for a schiit stack
Which is like what ā¬230?
For a Modi and magni
And the 560S is like 180ā¬?
Idk probably try to find the dongle from some local audio store
Spending more on dacs and amps donāt really make sense at this price point
wheat plume
Waifued my boot menu
neat oriole
You can definitely find the Apple dongle from most electronics stores
Yes
The dongle is just that good
The meizu one at least
EU Apple dongle is a bit gimped
Yeah get Locke to post you an NA Apple dongle
crisp granite
Waifued my boot menu
hot
neat oriole
I mean itās either dongle, schiit stack, or ifi which you thought looked hideous.
neat oriole
The more dongles you buy the fewer iPhones they make because dongles sell better 
pale sigil
pale sigil
Mhmm
He's only asking for the money after he sends em out
Basically I ain't going to push or nag him
Because he has them but hasn't asked for the money yet
Can I just say
Sending them dongles in the box
cursive summit
You sure that's the DAC'ed one? š
pale sigil
So soooooo much more costly
Than taking then out
And putting then in a letter
Also that's slow ass delivery
Oh
Now I'm curious
Where they are
I didn't get good marks in geography
K
cursive summit
Do these even have the DACs inside?https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MU7E2ZM/A/usb-c-to-35mm-headphone-jack-adapter
It's from UK, I could get one
Not what Ares said
cursive summit
Apparently Ares said due to EU regulations these have been gutted
cursive summit
Are they as good as the U.S ones though
pale sigil
Still much better than a lot of dacs
The issue is volume
It's a lot quieter
For example at 100% is fineeeee
But compared to my proper dac
It's quiet
And I can pump up the volume without loss
Can't with the dongle
The EU version is still not super great at 100%
Vs the na dongle you'd have your volume lower
cursive summit
I keep forgetting, can I jam the Lightning connector into my bog standard USB-C at the back of my PC?
pale sigil
No
pale sigil
@digital cliff apple dac to amp to headphones
old marlin
that is the lighting version
pale sigil
Usb c to 3.5mm
old marlin
you even sent in the USB-C one before
pale sigil
Is whet you want
cursive summit
Ah it's this one
cursive summit
pale sigil
Maybe since we aren't part of the EU
We can get the good version
š
Check mate apple
cursive summit
I keep hearing "Brexit was a mistake"
Dunno, was it actually? š
To me it sounds brexit is a great deal to UK as a country
pale sigil
I was memeing
I don't wanna talk about brexit
š¤£
For the love of God I've had enough of it
pale sigil
No comment
cursive summit
So is the DE version of the damn Apple dongle as good as other DAC converters?
Like FiiO shit?
cursive summit
Nothing realy
There's the Monoprice Monolith USB DAC AMP combo
Might just drive my K371's fine
neat oriole
Apparently Ares said due to EU regulations these have been gutted
Theyāve been gimped in the sense itās half as powerful they still have a dac and amp in them.
neat oriole
whats wrong with fiio
Fiio isnāt very competitive in pricing these days. Their iems have also fallen behind the curb.
hard thicket
yeah they used to be more budget friendly
yet enjoyed the heck out of the FH7
right my alley with the FR
neat oriole
MDA is decent if you really want a volume knob
Practically speaking you donāt really need a DAP unless you have a massive amount of locally stored music, so if you mostly just stream music, your phone + is already a really good setup
hard thicket
totally happy with spotify
tried using MDA stuff but honestly i don't hear much difference
so i got rid of it
not into all that snake oil stuff
what does that mean
proper crystal
He has weird taste in obscure music that's not on there.
hard thicket
yeah feel you
got some stuff that is nowhere available beside CD's
which sucks ass
how, with a band that doesn't even exist anymore
and thats a bit too much of a hassle
neat oriole
tried using MDA stuff but honestly i don't hear much difference
MDA is a dac amp itās not snake oil do you mean MQA?
hard thicket
yeah mixed it up with MQA yeah
crimson wigeon
Why not
neat oriole
Seems like a waste of a bluray disk
astral haven
High quality music takes up a ton of space
And if you have to drive 8 channels at full quality you aren't gonna be fitting that on a cd
neat oriole
No it doesnāt. Anything over CD quality is a waste of space. Literally imperceptible. Also what music is made for 8 channels? Only thing Iām aware of is the beetles 5.1 anniversary remastered album
reef patrol
No it doesnāt. Anything over CD quality is a waste of space. Literally impercept...
Plenty of live recordings are surround.
And newer music - Like Deadmaus' Dolby stuff that "scales infinitely" (tm)
neat oriole
Hmmm I guess live recordings kind of make sense but still
Going over 16/44.1 is pretty pointless unless itās a different master
reef patrol
That's why live music tends to be on DVDs.
neat oriole
Well yeah CD capacity is like 700MB
Which is over an hour for lossless 16/44.1
But if itās some Multichannel stuff then no
I havenāt seen a mini CD in over a decade I think
Oh wait were old PSP games mini disks or something?
reef patrol
XD to Pro Duo adaptors ftw
reef patrol
Gut the UMD drive, fit a long, thin battery instead.
There are no Sony batteries left, only REALLY bad copies.
misty pier
im not going to play anything on there anymore
i'll keep it but i'll no longer play on it
wheat plume
I asked if an internal cd player included a sata cable in the box
This is their reply
"however, the SATA power cable isn't included, since this is attached to your power supply unit. "
What?
hardy idol
yeah, thats sata power
but sata data connection uhh
yeah weird
I can send you a CD writer
I have quite a few
out of old HP pcs
wheat plume
Oh xd
cursive summit
SATA power isn't included, SATA data should be
wheat plume
Are they all the same size? The internal ones?
Cause I don't want to end up with the thing being smaller than the slot in the case
cursive summit
SATA power?
reef patrol
Yes and yes.
wheat plume
Nu
The actual player
timid chasm
yah cdrom drives should be pretty universal
wheat plume
Ook
timid chasm
internal, yeah
wheat plume
Perfect
timid chasm
damn I haven't had one of those in years
reef patrol
cursive summit
Oo the curvy curvy sata data
reef patrol
Powers the one with the mustard coloured cables. Data to the motherboard is the red one.
wheat plume
My psu has all black cables
reef patrol
Doesn't matter which end of the DATA cable goes where. The angled bit was made to fit drives better though.
reef patrol
My psu has all black cables
I figured. Focus on the look of the end. Nothing else that looks like it on your PSU.
timid chasm
it should include it though, tbh. Otherwise how the fuck did I end up with 100 of them
wheat plume
Sata power
I can tell by the mess of cables in my hard drive bay that I have plenty of those from the PSU
wheat plume
I'm using 2 already
reef patrol
Can we just appreciate for a moment that someone's mentioning optical media in 2021. š
reef patrol
I genuinely don't remember the last time I had a desktop PC with a drive.
timid chasm
I mean it's still in my tower (cause I've had my case longer than that) but it hasn't been hooked up
wheat plume
I need to get one so I can make CDs for my mom and uncle
timid chasm
What year is it on that island? š
wheat plume
What year is it on that island? š
It's stupid .-.
Both their cars have bluetooth
They could easily use that for music from their phones but Nnnoooooo
timid chasm
yeah that would be super easy
wheat plume
Meanwhile
I play music in my car by plugging my phone into aux cable .-.
And then I can't change the song if it's something I don't like
Unless I risk crashing and pick the phone up from the seat beside me
timid chasm
It's okay, Siri and google lady (it have a name?) usually fuck up the song request anyway
"Hey google play The Hu" PLAYING THE WHO
timid chasm
and she doesn't really recognize "Yuve Yuve Yu" as the song name either lol
maybe I'll try "that mongolian throat singing band" next time
wheat plume
:')
reef patrol
halcyon moss
@wheat plume get a cheap car mount fan bracket, run android auto
hollow mango
wheat plume
https://autoquarterly.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/71Lx5ly5Z2L._SL1500_.jpg
Yeah
I had one of those but I don't like the idea of constantly blasting my phone with hot air
So I don't use it anymore
halcyon moss
there are plenty of variations of that thing
urban lynx
i generally dont have air coming from the head vents anyway...
i either have it on windows, or window + feet mode
wheat plume
Modes?
urban lynx
oh right. i dont have the turn knob anymore. i tip a button and it sets to where the air goes.
got a special button that makes the window get all the blowing on full force
and one that basically cycles the different options like feet, feet + head, head
old marlin
that is pretty standard 
urban lynx
the disappearance of a knob?
not quite
depends on brand too
my mom's car, barely 4 years old, still has the same style of turnknobs
mine? actually older, has it
my mom's a vw, mine is a bmw
though i also got a fully automatic AC
my mom only has a "standard" ac
old marlin
I meant that you can choose zones
vale rapids
i'd love to quickly correct the last typo made in a text line (like last 10-20 characters) i typed with a dedicated "correction" key that i would need to press together with the "wrong" counted backwards letter to erase if i release. if i hold the correction key, and type after the "wrong" letter then add from that letter on or change the order around with left/right arrow before releasing the button.
woven hollow
hey, i have a wooting two, but what is/are the biggest advantage(s) of the lekker edition? already one the website
woven hollow
oh i mean HE i guess
reef patrol
HE as a whole is about changing from the optical switches to magnetic ones.
Which means a wider analog range.
So basically a longer 1 to 100 measurement
woven hollow
thats great, missed that
whats about the trigger, i've seen "rapid trigger", how more faster/better is it in comparison to the normal wooting two
if im understanding it correctly, the rapid trigger recognizes every activation or reset position, what the normal doesnt ? like just having activation "checkpoints" ? is that right?
woven hollow
what should that mean?
fervent jolt
Rapid trigger is basically this. You don't have to release the key past a certain point for it to reset, it resets as soon as you start to release it. So you can press the key many times in a row quickly without having to let go each time
And it's only a thing with the new lekker switches
urban lynx
p. sure the flaretech ones were also able to do this within some degree
karmic wagon
What's the chance of he blue switches?
pale sigil
Gotta convince its worth making switches at all before making demands
Is the mentality
fervent jolt
i think the intention is that you'll be able to set both points independently, so it can work like other switches if you want it to. can't say for definite but that's what i took away from it
the gif represents an actuation and reset point of 0.1mm (close to 0 as possible)
crisp granite
syncing the click noise and actuation
idk
common issue people have with clicky switches
personally, I think it does matter...up to a point
nah
wooting should make them if demand is high enough
a sale is a sale
new model F keyboards
even better
those mofuckaz got pingy twanginess for days
click bars
jackets are dumb
they rattle and sound thin and plasticy
I like kailh box switches
they're more meaty in the click
more stable
smoother
better feeling than MX clones
that's what matters
well yeah
wooting is smooth AF
royals?
love those
yeah, I like the magnitude of the tactility
but the feeling of the tactility is meh
I like my tactility more rounded
probably why I like nothing but T1, Zealio/Zilents, holy panda clones and frankenswitches
so, a fan of a p shaped bump
oh
dome and slider is your best bet
apparently BTC dome with slider is great for that
reef tundra
That joystick is pretty interresting but expensive to build and run. Electromagnets are a huge power sink. Pneumatic or hydraulic powered would be more suitable. Usually already available in most situations they mention and reliable if engineered sensible.
Also.. what happens if the magnetic joystick loses power?
proud nacelle
you could also use tensioned ropes. ridiculous, but would technically work.
wheat plume
whats the name of the .com .org etc in a domain?
crimson wigeon
2 more FPS in Hitman 3, Intel wins!
ashen spindle
wheat plume
and tied or lower in the rest :')
ashen spindle
depends on what settings tbh
fickle ore
EsPoRtS ProcESsor vs Plebian processor
atlho I got intel stonks, not amd. More gains to be had, so I probably shouldnt shit on intel
ashen spindle
brave
ashen spindle
wym "even"
it's a game benchmark, single/few threads not multithreaded load
yes.. how does that relate? you still dont get any benefit in games with a 5900/5950
????
what
those 2 cpus are not on that chart so what 3fps?
ashen spindle
https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-teases-radeon-rx-6000-toxic-and-atomic-series damn even the atomic coming back, wonder how many dozen they can make in 2021
analog aspen
<:KEKW:640842609920573446> gj intel, you managed to sorta catch up
Who actually still include LoL in their benchmark
ashen spindle
idk, seems normal that random asian sources include it
still a gigantic playerbase there
analog aspen
Itās still irrelevant af tho they probably went into training bot and used uncap FPS and doesnāt care if their character teleports around because game physics get funky past 144
ashen spindle
last cave
https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-teases-radeon-rx-6000-toxic-and-atomic-seri...
Ah... that aircooled Toxic will make my Nitro+ jealous
ashen spindle
unlikely, unless they find a way around the OC limitations AMD put it it won't matter
last cave
6800XT clocks higher than 3080 which is about 2100mhz. My 6800 XT is sitting at 2540mhz without a sweat
ashen spindle
comparing clock speeds between amd and nvidia makes no sense
6800/6900 (XT) have hard limits on how high they can clock, thats why people dont even LN2 is because you get there on water already
last cave
I don't really think any normal person cares about LN2 overclocking
ashen spindle
I am saying you don't even need LN2 to run into a wall you can't go higher
last cave
Not sure why that matters when 6800XT can reach up to 2750mhz or so from air cooling and 3080 is 2340Mhz max with LN2
last cave
I guess so
different architecture and all that
I have been rather impressed with my 6800 XT so far
ashen spindle
it's not even on the same node let alone same foundry
last cave
was expecting a shit load of coil whine but it's not the case
ashen spindle
point is, no benefit from better cooling solution if you literally can't push the clock higher
last cave
so your saying the watercooled atomic sapphire is useless?
ashen spindle
probably, aside from noise/looks
last cave
RX 6800XT limit is 2.8 GHz and the 6900XT limit is 3GHz
whether you can get it to be stable at those frequencys is another thing
water might be able to help with that i guess
ashen spindle
roman literally hit the wall on his air cooled red devil
so multiple skus that all hit the wall dont make much sense to me
last cave
roman literally hit the wall on his air cooled red devil <:peepoShrug:7472173007...
i don't know who that is but did he run any stress tests? multiple skus are for different price/peformance levels
ashen spindle
der8auer
crimson inlet
hey can you guys tell me if its possible or worth it to lube these switches
the flaretechs on the wooting
last cave
I remember when AMD released the Vega cards. The watercooled Vega 64 actually helped run faster frequency in that generation (i owned one).
RDNA2 is a lot more efficient though so probably not worth
@crimson inlet #archived_keebs_talk
ashen spindle
yeah people have lubed them, if it's worth? idk depends on what you expect from it
last cave
I'm already set for the next 4 years Quin.
ashen spindle
k
last cave
Looking forward to AMD's DLSS equivalent (FidelityFX Super Resolution) that's potentialy releasing in March
crimson inlet
NEW TO LUBING SWITCHES And i know these are more advanced then an mx switch to i just lube the stab and spring?
ashen spindle
think someone made a guide or video about it, search youtube or in discord, dont have a link to it
misty saffron
<:KEKW:640842609920573446> gj intel, you managed to sorta catch up
so intel with their $1k+ cpu losing to ryzen again
think i've seen that before
ashen spindle
idk, prices might be low so they are the better budget option
doubt its 1k if the 10900k was like 500
misty saffron
zen 4 gonna be better anyways š¤·āāļø
ashen spindle
it's also a year out :p
misty saffron
still funny how intel is trying to match amd in performance now
ashen spindle
might be switched aźound end of the year again, if alder lakes comes out before zen4
might also be better than zen4, who knows
last cave
I'm waiting to buy a 5900X then im done for 4 years
but at this rate it'll be 4 years before I can buy one š”
misty saffron
doubt i'll be changing my 3950x to anything else any time soon
ashen spindle
just get a 5800x and you're even better set
last cave
5800X runs hot and I could benefit from the extra cores
ashen spindle
yeah cores that are on a second die and lower binned dies since not all cores need to work :p
unlikely that it's better for vast majority
last cave
Here's the reason why a 5800X runs hot. Zen 3 can have up to 2 CCDs. 5800X has 1 CCD, a 5900X has 2 CCDs. The 5800X single CCD gets fed 130 watts of power, so there's 130 watts of heat localized on the single CCD. The 5900X gets fed let's say 80 watts of power for it's stronger CCD and 50 watts of power for it's weaker CCD, so 130 watts of heat is being distributed out but it's across 2 CCDs and the hottest CCD is getting 80 watts of heat.
ashen spindle
sounds like its from reddit
urban lynx
idk. the new gen of amd cpu doesnt seem enough gain for me to "upgrade" from my current cpu
last cave
My ITX PC is also a workstation so it benefits me to have extra cores on hand. I had the 3700X before though and I know 8 cores is still rather good.
last cave
I would rather wait another 3 months to see if 5900X becomes available
I have 32GB RAM
misty saffron
64 is twice as much
last cave
64 is twice as much
ITX is limited to two DIM slots so that is not an option for me
misty saffron
bad excuse
3950x also runs rather cold at 100% load
1.225v at 4.2ghz
ccd 0 is at 4.2ghz though, ccd 1 is 4.1
last cave
https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-VENGEANCELPX64GB-PC4-25600-C161-35V-Desktop/dp/B0...
i just bought some nice RGB samsung b.die 3600Hz so i'm not buying more RAM. If 32GB proves to be insufficient i'll think about it then.
last cave
1000 firefox tabs open?
the funny thing is I have as much VRAM as the majority of gamers DRAM
very proud of my VRAM capacity š
misty saffron
no, 3 vms
proper crystal
idk. the new gen of amd cpu doesnt seem enough gain for me to "upgrade" from my ...
If you've got a reasonably recent CPU, it's not meant to.
latent mural
š where
proper crystal
No we don't.
Then he did it last year or he got lucky.
Then I can believe he did. The market is trash here too, like it's everywhere.
Kinda thing that happens when you got 4 years of bottled up demand.
Crypto isn't as significant this time around.
ashen spindle
not significant thats why they ass buy laptops to mine lmao
proper crystal
That's small outfits that don't really matter. Most of the mining impact is on GA102 cards.
The rest is just an unprecedented consumer demand.
ashen spindle
nah the lower ones are actually more efficent for ETH afaik
proper crystal
GA102 is the one sold directly to big miners.
orchid quest
latent mural
why am i lagging when i switch to double movement mode? please someone explain
ashen spindle
cursive summit
zenith sonnet
All 5 of them?
astral haven
Sxm boiis
wheat plume
Is 80Ohm able to run from a phone jack?
Studio VS Monitor?
beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro 80 Ohm
definetly seems so
o
pale sigil
@wheat plume go with 250
Run with dac and amp
Otherwise don't get them at all
Tbh
@wheat plume AKG k612 Pros
Wow
How does that happen
true quest
wheat plume
I always toss mine in the backpack with all my other shit
pale sigil
@digital cliff stick rocking the home wrist rest j see
pale sigil
same
reef patrol
I mean... There's no rule against AMP'ing a Phone š
cursive summit
Lana already said she likes the build quality of the 770s
All metal too
My K371s plastic keeps ripping my hairs out
I'll go bald from my headphones faster than from old age
cursive summit
You know I severely doubt that
I went from my Cloud Alphas to the K371, and I use them both interchangeably
I do not sense a difference
Maybe the K371s have a tiny bit more detail
But shit the build quality does not compensate for that
I peaked with the Cloud Alphas (Aka Takstar Pro 50s or whatever)
I like bright sound that's the thing
I like it exaggerated, bossy and boomy
Neutral doesn't do it for me
K371s at first sounded dead for me
I had them for 3 months now
Recently I think they picked up more bass so they sound good
But still not that much different from Takstars
Why Sennheisers when you can HiFiMan š
I needed closed backs for privacy
Don't want to wake up people at night
Yeah if you have a wife and care about her, you don't want to wake her up
Small apartment
Nah 2 rooms
cursive summit
1 bedroom 1 living
I'm usually in the living
Closed backs*
And no she can't
Sorry your excellency
And no I don't
Dunno maybe when I'm not broke I'll pick up the Sundaras
Dunno what that is
HiFiMan is chinese?
Didn't know that, doesn't impact my decision of buying something
Sundaras are just universally received very well
And are priced alright
I liked the sound description, so I'll get it one day
You okay Locke? š
Some guy's selling his sundaras for 250ā¬
Quality costs
So do hookers or silicon dolls, if you want quality, pay up more
Never seen them below 300
They are made there, but not distributed in EU
EU warehouse closed like a year ago
Something something "focusing on our major client, the U.S"
crimson wigeon
Yeah imagine customers actually having some rights
cursive summit
Beyerdynamics?
German company afaik
They actually have decent sales on their website at times
Ah yes AKG have an EU warehouse
@wheat plume DT-770s are rn on Thomann for 89Ā£
wheat plume
119
wheat plume
I was told to not buy from thomann
cursive summit
Ah yes without VAT
cursive summit
You lads are weird
I shipped from GER to my country
Paid like 120ā¬
No hidden taxes
wheat plume
I dont have import fees cause Thomann is from germany right?
pale sigil
you got lucky tnen
pale sigil
I dont have import fees cause Thomann is from germany right?
You still have VAT
wheat plume
Yep
cursive summit
Ahhh Thomann DE include taxes into the price
Which is why it's 89Ā£ on GB, 122ā¬ on GER
Yep it's even written out
wheat plume
Brexit fucked over everyone .-.
cursive summit
"Excl. Taxes/ incl. Taxes"
pale sigil
She still has vat
wheat plume
^
why?
one sec
Including VAT
Yep
they kinda look like my clouds
but not as durable
the clouds are full metal
pale sigil
@wheat plume its because they are clouds
wheat plume
<@!361968952592826378> its because they are clouds
?
cursive summit
Tbh Callum's not that wrong
cursive summit
Afaik DT-770s are a inspired by the Takstar 52s which are also rebranded into Cloud Alphas
The sound quality should be the same or maybe a touch better or something
pale sigil
weight is always
cursive summit
@wheat plume Honestly though from Cloud Alphas, sub-200ā¬ headphones are not an upgrade, but a sidegrade
pale sigil
is easy
volume is harder
costs a lot more to s end items that are big vs weight more
Well kindsa
Here its a flat rate up to sort of weight
but volume is limited
<1kg 2-5kg
etc
wheat plume
<@361968952592826378> Honestly though from Cloud Alphas, sub-200ā¬ headphones are...
oooh
cursive summit
@wheat plume Look into AKG K712s
Some people love those
They aren't too much more expensive but they do jump in price
Though you are getting a really good product
wheat plume
ā¬222
pale sigil
k612 pro?
wheat plume
k712
cursive summit
K712s look smexy though
pale sigil
best dac indeed
cursive summit
Dongle won't power K712s
cursive summit
So like I do
pale sigil
Then K16 Pro
cursive summit
Yeah just get the 712s 
pale sigil
literally perfect for you
wheat plume
who makes them?
wheat plume
wheat plume
:')
wheat plume
oof
wheat plume
:')
cursive summit
712s seem better
wheat plume
open back for me is a waste of money cause I listen to music in a room with people sometimes
wheat plume
no no, they can hear what im playing with open backs
pale sigil
I have a suggestion
but ill get hated for it
Especially by Ares
idc what people say
i used them for 5 years and going strong
the m50x anyway
Honestly
Best person for this is @neat oriole
wheat plume
why they need batteries?
pale sigil
they dont?
wheat plume
amazon being stupid I guess
pale sigil
Also been testing some earbuds
ig ot for free
the bass is so insane
its awful
cheap earphones man
"insane bass"
ye but it sounds awful
wheat plume
I don't need it but I also won't say no
cursive summit
They released them a few months ago
Released the Cloud II Wireless
Same formula, but improved sound and wireless capability
wheat plume
Never heard improved sound and wireless in the same sentence
cursive summit
It seems rechargeable
It also charges using USB-C, so topping it up only takes an hour or two.
chrome estuary
hmm
wheat plume
I have used these clouds for 5 years now and the only issue is the padding is breaking up, the clamping force is quite tight now and the cable seems to be lose on the side of the ear cup so it causes some interference if I move too much
and i havent handled them very well xd tossed them onto the desk, into backpacks onto the bed etc
cursive summit
Replace the pads
Replace the cable
My Clouds have the cable replaceable
I heard that silver cables make the sound better or something
reef patrol
Ew....thin laptops.
reef patrol
It has soldered memory. Straight into the trashbin it goes.
Great way to bake in a timebomb.
neat oriole
@wheat plume AKG K361/371 is what Iād still recommend
DT770 is quite muddy in the bass and peaky in the treble
M50X is similar but also massively compressed sounding
I mean weāve been over this for like what the third time?
Feels like months by now
I mean it kinda feels like it
Closed back headphones are hard to make good and thereās like 4 maybe 5 good closed backs under $1000?
Theyāre in EU so 3 of those can be had without import
Cloud 2 FR
DT770 FR
K371 FR
Like if youāre going to just toss it around a bunch maybe itās time to consider buying a case for them
Or maybe at this point just get iems
Theyāll offer way better isolation
And sound a lot better
For the price that is
What?
No theyāre pretty normal
The over the ears
Thereās plenty of cheap iems thatāll sound better than most entry level closed backs
Tin T2 Plus and Moondrop Starfield are sort of the benchmark value for $50 and $100 respectively
Thereās other stuff in between too
Yeah IEMs are a huge market in Asia
Idk whose companyās marketing gibberish that is
Their iems are solid tho
Like actually good stuff
They have the sound down too
Ety is nice if you can get over the butt plugs
wheat plume
<@!361968952592826378> AKG K361/371 is what Iād still recommend
oo ok, Ill look at those
wheat plume
Speaking of DT770s :')
neat oriole
oo ok, Ill look at those
If youāre worried about them getting crushed in your bag just get a case for it
Or just get iems if you intend to have something for portable use
Oof
Those are pretty bright
I guess it makes sense
You have 990
neat oriole
Cheap plastic cables are really microphonic ye
Yeah
But Iād still take a 650 at full price over a 990
Are you testing it on your tube amp?
One of the āweaknessesā of the 650 is the bass roll off, which is pretty normal for open back dynamics but good tube amps can help bring up a bit of the bass
Yeah not too familiar with tubes
Too many of them
But a good combo fwik is the Schiit Valhalla 2 and 650
Have you tried using the dongle as a dac for the LD?
Is it a noticeable improvement from that Fiio abomination
I guess you could try to run the headphones directly out of the taishang or whatever itās called
So there you go
Itās much cleaner
Dongle good
Oh I always have my PC volume maxed
Itās technically ābetterā to have it maxed
I think itās the lower the volume on your PC the more it has to compress the signal to your dac but itās not a huge amount
So itās ātechnically betterā to just have it at 100
When youāre on USB audio
It might have been because 10 years ago dacs were a lot noisier so people turned down the system volume a bit to help with that
Nice
wheat plume
IM FULLA SCHIIT :')
neat oriole
Ahh yeah idk how optical audio works really
Right now I have 2 setups
I mean i have more stuff just not in use
reef tundra
The mobo does my audio.
wheat plume
I have two setups technically
Headphones plugged into Front headphone jack
Speakers plugged into USB
crisp granite
some dinky razer USB sound card does my audio
neat oriole
On my main computer for work and gaming I have a Motu M2 feeding into a JDS El Amp, and my second one setup is just a Topping D50 into a THX 789
wheat plume
no?
neat oriole
I also have a setup at my parents house, itās a Steinberg UR12 into a JDS Atom but I havenāt been there in over a year
wheat plume
no noise
same at times I forget I have them on
I need to try if rear audio sounds better, must find what port that is, there is 3 of them and the mic is one of them
neat oriole
Test away
True
And then get a solid state so you donāt have to keep buying high impedance dynamics
reef tundra
My front connectors are pretty shit, tend to cut out with some pressure. So I just use the rear ones which are connected in parallel or something and dont flake out on me
neat oriole
But also tubes need to warm up before you use them
wheat plume
the rear port goes directly to the mobo
ther front panel jack goes to mobo also through cables
idk where its plugged in
neat oriole
The good and bad thing about the 650 is thereās no direct upgrade
Closest thing thatās a direct upgrade from an HD650 is probably the ZMF Auteur
reef tundra
vacuum tubes are a poor transistor. computers made with them had to replace them daily but then again you had tens of thousands of them. BJT and FETs rule
neat oriole
The ZMF auteur is ā¬1800
Grado sux
The 650 is one of those headphones that doesnāt really do anything wrong
Grado still sux tho unless youāre ok with really shouty mids and treble
Iām pretty sure grado is to blame for the saying āaudiophiles hate bassā
reef tundra
flat response curve best
neat oriole
So imagine voices and instruments being really in your face but also quite a bit grating
So you might turn down the volume a bit but because the sound is so biased towards the high end the lower frequencies are just gone by comparison
wheat plume
the specs specifically mention the front panel jack
interesting
my mobo
idk why they mention that the front headphone jack port has whatever jack-retasking is
does the rear one not have that?
can you even buy hd600 directly anymore? those are from the 90s
O
is there a ned to update bios?
oh right
neat oriole
6XX also has the older sennheiser box which is nicer 
wheat plume
the older box? wot
neat oriole
Also the new Romanian sennheisers donāt have that counter top paint
The speckle paint definitely gave it character
Nowadays everythingās gotta be black or grey or w/e
neat oriole
You could always customize your 650 and spray paint it white 
Probably
I know a guy who painted his own HD800 to black and red
ashen spindle
you posted a screenshot of you chipset like 2 minutes ago
urban nacelle
yo
wheat plume
and it works again
Linux is the only OS that I see the jack called "Starship"
Windows just says headphone
neat oriole
@digital cliff
ashen spindle
bc honestly why do you need to know what chipset your audio controller is from
what do you gain from that info
neat oriole
Yeah thatās like almost 10k worth of headphones lol
But heās a reviewer so he gets demo units
Max Setting on YT, heās maybe a bit too critical of everything but his assessments so far have been pretty decent
The HD800 is his own personal pair, which he painted red and black
Yeah RMAF is fun
Last canjam was in NY
Right before the lockdown
I shouldāve gone
Audio trade shows are pretty short tho
Yeah just gotta sand it down a bit and apply some primer
But I think some companies offer painting services
Colourway is a pretty well known one
Colourware*
They used to do the HD800S
Probably
Sub bass is the deep bass
The HD580/600/650/800/800s all work well with tubes
pale sigil
think ive accepted that if i ever get wireless earbuds
its going to be apple ones
because their design is so good for my ears
neat oriole
The pros? 
crisp granite
the apple bra airpods max?
probably a comfortable pair tbh
something one could wear all day
like underwear
but for $780 CAD, apple can suck my cocks
neat oriole
From what Iāve heard theyāre quite heavy and doesnāt sit very still on your head
So not very comfortable
cursive summit
@neat oriole What do you think of the E1DA 9038D/9038S?
I found it by accident and it seems very impressive
Which of the E1DAs products are even the best
neat oriole
I just googled it itās an external dac amp thing?
cursive summit
It seems like a portable dac and amp, the 9038 series
PowerDAC V2 is a dac with no amp it seems
And hifitoy is a desktop full sized dac n amp, it seems, unreleased though
I'm thinking of the 9038D, is that worth the money?
neat oriole
Seems pretty new although idk kind of a niche market thing
I feel like for desktop youāre better off going with a $100 amp and dongle
And nothing you would use āportableā would really need more than a dongle
To me it seems really niche
cursive summit
Btw in audio terms, what does "unbalanced" and "balanced" mean?
neat oriole
Balanced means the ground is separate
Or one ground per channel
Unbalanced which is what most things are configured as has one ground for both left and right channels
In theory running things balanced will reduce noise, in practice it makes little to no difference unless you have headphones that are extremely difficult to drive
Sometimes balanced amps could have a gimped single ended output which forces users to use balanced
But most of the times buying a balanced source gear just results in you having to buy more expensive cables
cursive summit
Btw I read that having silver cables improves audio quality, that true?
neat oriole
Lol no
Cables donāt make a difference unless your cable is literally broken
You can get nicer cables that are less microphonic
But it wonāt change how the music sounds
cursive summit
Yeah I see a shit ton of good recommendations for the 9038D, like "You can use an Android app called Tweak9038 to manipulate the settings of the 9038D. This includes selecting the DAC filter, limit hardware volume, and also you can tweak the 2nd and 3rd harmonic distortion. This allows you to simulate "tube sound". This is absolutely unique on the market."
Dunno I want to have a good dac and amp, maybe it's actually worth it, considering a Schiit stack is another 100ā¬ on top, plus sold out