🔌│tech

[wheat plume]

Anyone know what the audio quality on these is like?

[ivory geyser]

Pirated I would say

[wheat plume]

Wot

[ivory geyser]

Lana come on, use head xD

What is the company making them called?

[wheat plume]

Their logo is a ship....

Oh :')

[ivory geyser]

Good xD

[wheat plume]

So
You saying I'll hear pirate chanty in the background the whole time with these?

[ivory geyser]

Possibly

[true quest]

this is all you will hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVkD4lgXTEU

[wheat plume]

Damn
Idk if I'd like that

Oh yeh....I had to reinstall vanced

I'm also looking at steelseries arctis
Do you need the software running for them you work? A review I'm reading seems to imply you do

[neat oriole]

Gaming headsets sux

Unless you want to look like your favourite affiliated streamer

[wheat plume]

I want good sounding for music but relatively cheap headphones for my computer.

[neat oriole]

Budget

[wheat plume]

I play games but mostly music

Uh...
Less than €200

[neat oriole]

That’s a decent budget

How to ask for advice:

1: Location? We’re not trying to dox you, it’s just that some things are more accessible in some parts of the world than they are elsewhere.
2. Budget? Whatever you’re comfortable with.
3. Do you have any source gear? Owning a competent amp/DAC could mean we recommend better equipment for the price.
4. Where are you going to use these, will it be noisy? Changes what type of gear we can recommend.
5. Previous experience? Could help us find something more suited to your preferences.
6. Main types of music you listen to? Could help us find something more suited to your preferences.

[wheat plume]

Well
It's been 5 years since I've gotten a pair last xd

1. ireland
2. <€200
3. no other gear
4. in quite room next to loud ish computer
5. I like bass as long as it doesn't ruin the rest of the audio range
6. wide range of music......

[neat oriole]

It’s not gaming laptop loud is it?

[wheat plume]

Not really
I don't hear it when listening to music unless I'm taxing it real hard

[neat oriole]

What’s your current headphone?

[wheat plume]

Hyperx cloud 2

[neat oriole]

So it’s closed back and you can still hear it

Hmmmm

[wheat plume]

I don't want open back

[neat oriole]

Oh well that’s ez, AKG K371

No mic tho

[wheat plume]

I think with any headphones I'll hear it
I sit right beside it xd

I don't need mic
I have one

[neat oriole]

Closed backs are hard to make and there are very few that are good

[urban lynx]

insert reiteration of me using sony wh1000mx3 now

[neat oriole]

I wouldn’t recommend them unless you needed the ANC

The bass is really boosted on those

[urban lynx]

🥲

i feel the bass is a little weak at times, lol

i had headphones with more bass tbh

[neat oriole]

They’re bloated but not dynamic and punchy

It’s tuned to be used on a plane

And I have one, which I only use on a plane

[wheat plume]

I think doge also suggested these AKG to me
But idk about them, they are made from plastic :/
I like the sturdyness of the metal frame in the hyperx clouds

[urban lynx]

so far they were the best i've ever used...

[neat oriole]

When you don’t have a lot of points of references anything can be good right

Preference is also a thing

[urban lynx]

fascinating how you immediatly assume i must only had like one or two other headphones before these.

you know what. fuck off.

[neat oriole]

What?

[urban lynx]

i dont even feel like bothering dealing with you.

[wheat plume]

I'm confused

[neat oriole]

Same

There’s nothing wrong with liking things with more bass or w/e

[wheat plume]

I like bass
If it's not making the rest of the audio worse

[neat oriole]

Anyways

K371 would be the best sounding for your budget

[urban lynx]

to me this is a direct implication i only like them because i wouldnt have much experience.

[wheat plume]

They don't look very durable though

[neat oriole]

They’re relatively durable

Wouldn’t survive being run over tho

[wheat plume]

Will they last 5 years? Of being handled everyday and occasionally put into a back pack

[neat oriole]

Probably?

[wheat plume]

Tbh
I should just try to find new ear pads for my clouds

[neat oriole]

Like I said closed backs are hard to do well

Good closed backs are far and few in between

[wheat plume]

The only thing wrong is the ear cup padding
Inside and out it's tearing and crumbling

[urban lynx]

sorry, but i'm just annoyed that no matter what you choose to use, there is always people out there straight out shitting on it. and this felt like it was just one more of these.

[neat oriole]

Yeah that’s pleather

I’m not shitting on them I literally have one

I’m just saying they’re good for one thing and not the best for others

[urban lynx]

well, how am i supposed to know that

[wheat plume]

Yeah
I get that

People shitting on the specs of my new PC when I got it

[urban lynx]

i mean, when i mentioned i got a ryzen9 3900x, a friend immediatly started going off on me how it was just a waste to me, that i'll "NEVER NEED IT" that it's "SOOO STUPID" and so on.

why do i consider that asshole a friend anymore anyway? he keeps pulling terrible shit.

[wheat plume]

-.- wow

[neat oriole]

I mean my friend bought a 3090 to play wow classic

[reef patrol]

xD

[wheat plume]

Uh

[neat oriole]

I can still tell him he’s under utilizing his hardware

[ivory geyser]

Maybe he wants to play it in 16K with DSSL 2.0?

Only explanation

[neat oriole]

He’s on a 1440p monitor

[urban lynx]

also same guy literally told me into my face that nobody fucking cared about me and my shitty bmw, when i mentioned i am not sure if i wanna do something with it. but he kept going on and on and on and on about his freaking Ford Focus, that he wants to tune this and that, and those and whatever the fuck downpipes are.

[astral haven]

"screw you if you have better stuff than me"

[neat oriole]

That’s his problem but like if you never do anything work load intensive a 5900x is pretty overkill

[ivory geyser]

I mean who does that... it is not like I ever criticized people for what they like! hides a mountain of evidence about keyboard elitism 👀

[neat oriole]

Not saying you don’t just saying people over speccing their gear isn’t uncommon

[astral haven]

the 3900x is alot faster in some random tasks that are heavy on ram (vs the 3800x)

[urban lynx]

sorry. let's just say, i felt like you were telling me my headphones were a fucking terrible choice. etc, etc etc.
maybe i read too much into it.
maybe i'm just sick of people trying to make me feel like all i do is bad choice.
... as if i dont already feel like my entire fucking stupid tragedy of a life is one big mistake

[neat oriole]

I’m trying to offer a more “objective” view on stuff in the hopes that people get the best bang for their buck

[urban lynx]

part of the reasons i choose the 3900X is actually the base speed to boosted speed, opposed to anything else. lol.

if i really just wanted "many cores" I'd gone with the next bigger one, i think the 3950x? didnt it have like 4 cores more?

[astral haven]

the 3950x is overpriced

as is the 3800x

[urban lynx]

i mean. after i had some integrated cpu apu BS thing, i wanted to treat myself to something. anything wrong with that?

[astral haven]

the 3900x is the "value" cores option

[neat oriole]

I’m not one of those reddittors that reee at anything that isn’t my thing

[astral haven]

also the 3900x has double the memory write speed of the smaller cpus

[wheat plume]

That's why Ryzens like speedy ram?

[astral haven]

not really related

[wheat plume]

Oh

[astral haven]

ryzens like speedy ram because an internal connector runs at the speed of the ram

[urban lynx]

well, you still might need to tell your bios to actually take advantage of your full ram speeds.

like i did

[astral haven]

and when you run the connector at a different speed from the ram it slows waaaaaaaaaaaaay down

yea

[urban lynx]

also the faster memory write speed was kind of one of the other selling points

[astral haven]

because technically anything over 3200 is overclocking

[urban lynx]

also, part in hope that i dont need to replace my cpu anytime soon

my ram is at 3200 now

[astral haven]

probably with better timings tho

anything better than 3200c22 is overclocking

[wheat plume]

I feel like my huge ears would scrap against the speaker grill on the AKG
It happens sometimes with the clouds and they are deeper

.-. I hate my body

[neat oriole]

I’d give them a shot

Return it if you don’t like them

[astral haven]

buy them somewhere that has free returns like amazon lel

[neat oriole]

Also AKG very cheap in EU

For some reason

[wheat plume]

€111 from thomann de

[astral haven]

yea 150 (usd) msrp iirc?

[neat oriole]

Yeah

Stuff like the K612/712 are super cheap in EU compared to NA

[astral haven]

should be 121 eur

[urban lynx]

well, i wish you all the best on finding your perfect headphones, i'm just gonna hide in shame and try to sleep myself into a better mood.

[wheat plume]

Night Saki <3

[urban lynx]

did i fuck up yet?

[wheat plume]

No..?

[astral haven]

drink some water, winter dehydration = bad

[urban lynx]

why do i feel like i did then? 🥲

[neat oriole]

K712 is like $400+ in NA, <€200 in EU

[wheat plume]

My night night message wasn't sarcastic

If that's what you think

[urban lynx]

no it isnt that

it's literally just my mind being like "you fucked up" to me

[wheat plume]

Sleep !

I need too

Oh
The k371 are metal reinforced
But where? Only the headband or the cup swivel too??

A metal bracket extends from the headband and holsters an AKG-branded adjustment piece, which is unfortunately plastic.

Oh rip
The actual adjustment is plastic

[slate sphinx]

Can someone help please

[crisp granite]

uh, I'm innocent

not elitist regarding keyboards in any way...

[neat oriole]

@wheat plume they’ll be fine

[zenith sonnet]

@neat oriole What would you consider an upgrade from the K702 or K712?
Sundara seems to be the only real option I found if you don't want to shell out for an HD800S?

[neat oriole]

What are you looking for

I personally prefer the Sundara to the 712 but it’s a much more analytical sound

Idk if that’s your jam

[zenith sonnet]

It is

Also would need new AMP/DAC

[neat oriole]

Yeah probably

If you’re EU just get a meizu dongle and a Schiit Magni 3+

Schiit is probably out of stock tho

[hard thicket]

jds atom also a good amp

served me for many years still does

not sure how the availability is in europe tho

[neat oriole]

JDS availability in EU is basically non-existent

You have to import it yourself and if it goes wrong you’re more or less sol

[thick elk]

you could switch it with the reset button depending on your case

[thick elk]

I did it at work on some pc, the buttons themselves work exactly the same.

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume Don't get the K371

I have them on me right now

And honestly they feel worse than the Cloud Alphas

If you need new headphones Beyer DT880s are fine

[cursive summit]

Also the K371s are pulling my hairs

Strings of my hair get stuck in the adjustable height lock

Which is really fucking painful

[neat oriole]

K371 best closed back for its price, just doesn’t align with your tastes

[zenith sonnet]

What's the difference between the Sundara and Ananda?
The Sundara seems to be getting slightly more favourable review, yet the Ananda is twice as expensive?

[misty saffron]

wtf is this fucking console

batteries died in controller, replaced with rechargeables

controller unpaired(???)

now i can’t pair any of the 3 controllers i got

[astral haven]

sundara just got revised xeanoa

[zenith sonnet]

rechargeables are usually 1.2V, non-rechargables 1.5V
Maybe the voltage is too low?

[misty saffron]

the rechargeables worked just fine before

[zenith sonnet]

@neat oriole I seriously cannot find any listings of Schiit products in Germany at all

[misty saffron]

just get fiio

[last cave]

https://www.razer.com/gb-en/gaming/mice/razer-viper-8khz

Posting in-case anyone was in need of a gaming mouse ^

[stoic grove]

tbh I didn't think those could break

[wheat plume]

Wow
They look so much like the clouds also

What's a single sided 3.5mm jack?

[fickle ore]

Anyone know what bad_module_crash relates to, too low voltage? started getting this after the ram upgrade

[wheat plume]

Xiaomi knew what they did here :')

[split cipher]

that's very nice marketing of xiaomi

[wheat plume]

:P

[old marlin]

@zenith sonnet shiit has an nl retailer

But if you want to get a dac and amp for like 250-300€ just get a topping e30 and l30

Available on either amazon or shenzhenaudio

[wheat plume]

[Desktop Entry] Name=Wootility Comment=Wootility Exec=bash -c '~/Applications/wootility*.AppImage' Terminal=false Type=Application Icon=/home/maki/Applications/logo.png
Any linux users wanting a desktop file to launch the Wootility from the app menu, here you go

you save this as wootilty.desktop in ~/.local/share/applications

[ivory geyser]

Lana come on, you are killing the thrill for them.

[wheat plume]

:P

[stoic grove]

hey thanks

[ivory geyser]

What kind of a Linux user looks for a SOLUTION to their problem?

[wheat plume]

you need to provide your own icon!

its not a full solution LEL

[ivory geyser]

Well, at least that xD

[wheat plume]

posts the icon too

[stoic grove]

nice

[misty saffron]

“linux is free if you don’t value your time”

[broken pollen]

.lol

[halcyon moss]

most things are fine with that, except for WMR controllers

[zenith sonnet]

@old marlin I don't know enough to make educated choices myself, but I want something that pairs well with the Sundara and lets them show all their potential?

[old marlin]

well if a magni and modi would be enough for you the topping ones will be as well

[zenith sonnet]

And my phone, apparently

[old marlin]

the topping L30 apparently seems to be a good fit for the sundara

so you should be good to go

it tends to be a bit quiet, so you won't just use the first quarter of the possible audio level

[zenith sonnet]

It shows 1.2 V rechargeables to be 2/3 empty and will overcharge them to 1.5V and break them in a few months
Fuck Gigaset...

[zenith sonnet]

I'll have a look if I can find them

[hard thicket]

have to say all those chinese dac amps seem to have improved over the years

there are some neat budget options now spec wise

but how good they are in reality is another thing since specs are not everything

[old marlin]

the topping ones are pretty damn good

[neat oriole]

Ananda has better FR and detail but Sundara has more slam

[hard thicket]

i've still an old SU-8 from smsl

was 180bucks back than but has balanced xlr out

works well with monitors

[neat oriole]

Topping sucks

SU-8 is okay if you want a THX amp

Still has some of the issues that all THX amp does

[hard thicket]

like ?

[neat oriole]

@zenith sonnet https://www.schiit-europe.com/

[neat oriole]

Lack of dynamics

[hard thicket]

on all THX amps ?

[neat oriole]

It’s a pretty “dead” sounding amp

[hard thicket]

or just the budget ones

[neat oriole]

Yeah pretty much

[hard thicket]

yikes

guess i keep the ADI-2 for now

[neat oriole]

I mean ADI-2 is pretty dead too

ADI-2 + THX is one of the most “dead” sounding combos

[hard thicket]

for IEM usage it serves me well

[neat oriole]

But also ADI2 has nice screen

[hard thicket]

and shit ton of features

im using it to DSP the monitors

beside the iem usage

[neat oriole]

I think a better combo would be something like an SMSL SU9 and a BHA 1

Or a Rebel Amp

[hard thicket]

i mean that's like... twice the budget

[neat oriole]

Oh shit U right I forgot it was 2K not 1k

But rebel amp is good

“Only” $500

[hard thicket]

cheap for amp standards

[neat oriole]

It’s pretty expensive for source gear

[hard thicket]

if you compare it to rather professional gear, it ain't that much tbh

[neat oriole]

I think to justify that you probably should have like 2k+ headphones

I mean what even is professional gear

You can mix on anything

As long as you know what you’re doing

[urban lynx]

from how i understand "professional" often is more of a marketing term

[neat oriole]

Except for when it kills your headphones kek

[urban lynx]

most often combined to describe that this certain product comes with extended warranty or customer services as part of the price

it also sometimes is supposedly used to identify an item to be made of "higher quality"

[neat oriole]

Some things are definitely “pro” but in terms of audio I feel like that term doesn’t apply as well

Not to mention most “pro” headphones suck for music

[urban lynx]

yeah that's true

friend of mine wants some yamaha monitors, they supposedly give everything back as was recorded.
now for him i'd say it makes sense if he uses it together with his music making hobby.
but not if he wants them to just enjoy it...

[neat oriole]

I mean studio monitors are different

Speakers as a whole is very different

Headphones are simple you just throw them on your head

Speakers you gotta worry about room acoustics

But I mean even relatively inexpensive studio monitors in a well treated room will give most high end headphones a good run for their money

[urban lynx]

yeah

i mean, a mistake i see some people do with their (computer) setups, is placing the subwoofer right under their desk...

[neat oriole]

It could just be they don’t have the desk space

[urban lynx]

i mean, yeah

but tbf, i dont even have space under my desk

🥲

and just with that my phone just came falling down from my desk, since there is also no space ontop of it

[old marlin]

Got fixed

I doubt you will get an old batch by now

[stoic grove]

wait like display monitors or are there some sort of monitors for audio

[urban lynx]

speakers are often refered to as monitors as well

if you look at like a 5.1 or 7.1 system, all the speakers found on the sides and backs also usually are titled monitors

[stoic grove]

damn i didn't know that

lucky 10,000 and all that

[urban lynx]

also, tbf, most audio "professional" world, describes speakers that do not alter the sound upon playback as "studio monitors"

[halcyon moss]

thats becasue its a nice foot rest

[urban lynx]

well, i must be weird, because i hate putting up my feet while sitting at my computer

[halcyon moss]

same

[urban lynx]

i do however often sit like cross legged

feet under my thigh and such

[halcyon moss]

same

[stoic grove]

same

[halcyon moss]

but at this desk i can't, its too thick

[stoic grove]

lmao i have the same problem

[halcyon moss]

stupid metal support bar at the front

[stoic grove]

my desk is too low

im too thicc 😤

[halcyon moss]

okay

[urban lynx]

my desk used to has this drawer style lower board, where keyboard and mouse were supposed to go

[old marlin]

I can't sit cross legged at my computer cause my chair would be too small to fit my legs on like that

[stoic grove]

rip

[old marlin]

And i don't have a small chair either

[urban lynx]

1. my keyboards got too big, i lacked space for my mouse there.
2. my knees started kicking it out of its rails eventually because
3. i started being a little too old for this desk i got when i was like 8.

well, perks of being small like i am

:3

[old marlin]

Keyboard drawer

[stoic grove]

my desk is a glorified table

[urban lynx]

i mean. me being 8? that's... over a decade ago

[pale sigil]

confirmed age

also

My desk is a worktop with 4 legs

😄

[halcyon moss]

A lot of ppl ahve their desk and chair and monitor at the wrong height

[stoic grove]

yeah true

gotta have it setup in a way that doesn't mess up your back

[pale sigil]

monitor arms was one of the best investments i ever made

[stoic grove]

what are those?

[halcyon moss]

!google monitor arm

feature request Callum 😉

[stoic grove]

should pull up lgmtfy.com

[halcyon moss]

yessss

[stoic grove]

actually on second thought thats probably not a great idea nvm its full of ads and trackers

[halcyon moss]

hahah

[old marlin]

I actually have my desk and monitors at the right height

whole thing doesn't work out that those guidelines seem to assume you should sit like that for 8 hours at owrk or something

[pale sigil]

o.0

reddit pinned it to /r/all

mad lads

[halcyon moss]

howtf does a mod pin to all?

[stoic grove]

they can do that?

[halcyon moss]

i guess a reddit admin could, but a mod?

[old marlin]

also

gfl getting chairs for low prices for people that are close to 2m tall

[pale sigil]

reddit admin

can do it

not mods

which is why i said reddit

xD

[stoic grove]

also that lmgtfy site being full of ads and trackers reminds me, was toms hardware so full of garbage like that as well?

[crimson wigeon]

It's simply on top because it has so many updoots

[stoic grove]

I've never seen so much on one site

[ashen spindle]

yes toms is trash

site wise and article-quality wise

I recommend using other sites tbh

[stoic grove]

yeah I don't use it much but I was trying to see if I could get past the adblock-blocker they have and the list of junk they have just kept going

[pale sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l8rf4k/times_square_right_now/

[crimson wigeon]

nooooo you can't just purchase GME

hahaha go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[stoic grove]

same lol

im just watching it all go down

[neat oriole]

Topping quality ime has been rather inconsistent. I’d still take a Schiit Magni 3+ over L30 for sound quality.

[wheat plume]

The voice commands on the Sky Q box need internet access

dang it

even ones that dont need internet conection to do their job like change channel or play recordings

[zenith sonnet]

Thanks. Neither search engines nor price searches showed me that website

[neat oriole]

Their stock is pretty inconsistent so keep and eye out

[reef patrol]

Hrm... I want a 3080 so badly at this point 😄

May have something to do with suddenly having the cash for a scalper 3080... maybe

[pale sigil]

Hey mansen

How are you

[reef patrol]

👀

[stoic grove]

don't do it mate its not worth it

I say with a 480 lol

[reef patrol]

I have a 2080. And I kind of want to sell that at "current market trends"

[stoic grove]

ah I see

[pale sigil]

I have a 3080. And I kind of want to sell that at "current market trends"

[reef patrol]

When you can sell a 1080TI for 340€ it's time to sell the 2080 xD

[pale sigil]

But i have no spare gpu

been keeping my eye on 3070s

[reef patrol]

Same

[pale sigil]

there was one for 550

but i was in bed

[reef patrol]

Well the "no spare GPU" bit anyhow 😄

[pale sigil]

and wasn't logged in

[reef patrol]

What's the market situation like in the OOK for a 3080 now?

In Denmark it's all over the place.

[zenith sonnet]

I wouldn't put a cent in cause I don't know what I'm doing

[stoic grove]

lol

[zenith sonnet]

So basically, keep them for a few years or something?

[zenith sonnet]

I want to sell my VIIs, they sell for about new price nowadays, but I can't find something to replace them :p

[reef patrol]

[zenith sonnet]

Preorders are too 2012, I guess 🤔

[last cave]

🥰

[crimson wigeon]

give

[zenith sonnet]

Nowadays the question is not how you got one, but how much? 😄

[timid chasm]

for real. The only ones I see at normal prices anymore is the ones directly from AMD

[zenith sonnet]

Yep

And they're constantly out of stock

[last cave]

I overpayed to a retailer who had some secret stock

[zenith sonnet]

I mean Alternate has like 5 or 6 models in stock
Going for 1140-1260€ for the 6800 XT

But those prices are silly

[last cave]

I payed £740

[zenith sonnet]

That's somewhat reasonable

[timid chasm]

The wife was just complaining about the frames (which she has literally never done) while playing Beat Saber so I think I found my way in to getting one if I can find it for a decent price 😂

[zenith sonnet]

Given the current market

[last cave]

would of loved an XT but I think this will do

[zenith sonnet]

I see some stock here for 999€

[timid chasm]

yeah, I'm holding out for an XT, 3080, or something bigger that comes along that is between them and the 9's

[reef patrol]

Meh... no one has a used one locally 😄

[zenith sonnet]

@neat oriole Sorry for being bugging you all the time, but when I search for a Meizu dongle, I only find Meizu phones. What did you have in mind exactly?

[neat oriole]

It’s called meizu hifi dac

You’ll find it on either amazon or aliexpress

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.amazon.de/HIFI-Audio-D-Wandler-Kopfhörerverstärker-5-mm-Kopfhöreranschlussadapter-Samsung-schwarz/dp/B08H89VZKQ

This one?

[zenith sonnet]

It's surprisingly affordable compared to a Modi 3+ or even an E10K

[neat oriole]

Ye

It’s a great dac amp on the cheap

Will drive most dynamic headphones adequately

[zenith sonnet]

Is there anything it lacks in comparison, or how is it cheaper?

[neat oriole]

Doesn’t have a volume knob

[zenith sonnet]

Well, not like it matters :p

[neat oriole]

Can’t drive less sensitive stuff

It’s after all only a dongle

[zenith sonnet]

I can always upgrade later, I guess

[neat oriole]

Yeah it’s a good DAC

The general consensus is you go dongle, then amp, then dac.

[zenith sonnet]

Wait, am I missing something, then?

Do I still need a DAC, or am I fine going Dongle > AMP > headphones?

[neat oriole]

Yeah

Dongle to amp

[astral haven]

Dongledac = dac

[neat oriole]

What I’m saying is you buy a dongle until you can buy an amp then you use the dongle as a dac to feed the amp until you can buy a dac

[astral haven]

^

Also why the Meizu over the apple?

[zenith sonnet]

AH
So, dongle now, then replace with dedicated AMP and DAC as I manage to get them?

Gotcha 😄

[neat oriole]

Because EU Apple dong is gimped

[astral haven]

Oh rip

God damn it apple

You make one good product

[neat oriole]

Blame consumer protection regulations

[astral haven]

What?

Why?

[neat oriole]

So you don’t blow up your ears

[astral haven]

So it can't output line level?

[neat oriole]

You can get most iems to 100db+ at max tilt with a dongle

[astral haven]

That's very odd

[neat oriole]

No it’s just half power

[astral haven]

Oh so as a dac that doesn't matter

[zenith sonnet]

Should I look out for a Modi 3+, or something else?

[neat oriole]

Modi is good

Don’t get multibit tho

[neat oriole]

Yeah it’ll work fine as a dac, it’s a different chip but should still sound about the same

[astral haven]

That's very odd tho

[neat oriole]

EU do be like that

[astral haven]

There should be no reason to change chip

[neat oriole]

I mean android phones have built in volume limiters for the same reason iirc

[astral haven]

It already intentionally limits itself on android devices vs apple and windows

Don't see why it couldnt globally limit itself in the eu version

[neat oriole]

Apple devices don’t have volume limiters like android so the matching dong does

[zenith sonnet]

So, I'm subscribed to stock updates for the Magni 3+ and the Modi 3+, and got a dongle and Sundara in the cart. Time to wait

[astral haven]

No that's not true ares

[neat oriole]

Sundara might struggle a bit on the dong

[astral haven]

The eu iphones have digital limiters

[neat oriole]

Hmmmm

[astral haven]

Yeah sundara can't run off just the dongle

[neat oriole]

It’ll run just not well

[astral haven]

Built in motherboard amp might actually work

[neat oriole]

Nah

[astral haven]

Youd be surprised

[neat oriole]

Mobo audio sux 99% of times

[zenith sonnet]

I got an X570 Aorus Master, not sure how well it does

[astral haven]

Again you'd be surprised

Oh yeah gigabyte throws great amps in there

[neat oriole]

Throwing a good chip doesn’t mean much

[astral haven]

Don't install the gigabyte drivers tho

[neat oriole]

Implementation is important

[astral haven]

Their software is fucky wucky

[neat oriole]

If you just line up 20 opamps sure it’ll make sound but it’ll be compressed as hell

[zenith sonnet]

I also got a E10K atm
But my wife's K3 is fucked, maybe it'll go for a while longer

[astral haven]

Gigabyte uses reference implementations most of the time

Which are solid

My gigabyte board sounds great when running relatively low sensitivity stuff

[neat oriole]

E10k is pretty outdated by modern standards

But idk maybe it’ll do the Sundara ok?

@zenith sonnet if you don’t want to wait ifi stuff might be viable

They’re UK based so probably easier to get than Schiit

[zenith sonnet]

I can wait, my current setup still works

[neat oriole]

Something like the ifi zen can is a decent option for EU folk

It’s a little expensive but that’s just how EU rolls

[zenith sonnet]

It looks so hideous, I don't want it on that grounds alone

[neat oriole]

Ifi hip dac is not bad either but it’s quite warm sounding

And I wouldn’t pair it with iems

More or less yeah unless you want to import it yourself

Schiit at least has some distribution in EU

I think Schiit Modi supports optical

4th one from left that looks like optical

[zenith sonnet]

@digital cliff Come wait with me for stock

[neat oriole]

So it’s USB, Toslink, and Coax

[old marlin]

that is spdif

not coax

spdif = toslink

only difference is that toslink is optical

also toslink really doesn't offer anything over USB

[wheat plume]

whats the different between the monitor and studio version?

[pale sigil]

Alright

https://tenor.com/view/just-sit-down-and-ill-explain-everything-let-me-explain-listen-calm-down-i-can-explain-gif-14340182

@neat oriole

[neat oriole]

[old marlin]

doesn't that proove my point?

[neat oriole]

I’m just repeating what’s on the web page

[old marlin]

toslink just uses more fragile cables

and has some limited capabilities

nothing long range either

cause it uses PC which makes it unviable for that

[neat oriole]

He asked for optical, I figured Toslink is optical, I posted a picture of the back and listed the 3 different types of imports that’s listed on the page

[old marlin]

yea

name me another optical audio interface

there is none

[neat oriole]

Well idk what you’re getting worked up over

[old marlin]

people pretending that optical must be better

[neat oriole]

Did I ever say that?

[old marlin]

no

[neat oriole]

ok

Idk I’m just saying the website says Coax spdif

[old marlin]

cause some people confuse spdif with toslink

[neat oriole]

I’d skip the 770 personally, but afaik they’re all the same. It could be that the studio/monitor version has a coiled cable and the mobile version has a straight cable?

[neat oriole]

But why are you telling me this? I just use USB

[lethal wasp]

DACs make far more difference than I expected tbh

even upgrading between them

where/how can I find a uk header for this transformer?

is it a standardised thing?

[reef patrol]

Just put an adaptor on the plug itself?

[lethal wasp]

it has a removable plate though

I was given the wrong one with my order ages ago

[thick elk]

toslink does offer complete electrical isolation over usb. In some setups this can be a factor. USB can cary over electrical noises and audible ground loops. If that's a problem, you will hear it. Ground loop isolators or messing with wat power comes from where can also help. But optical audio has real. world benefits and is not some audiophool voodoo. Mostly with speakers due to the higher get gain.

Of course if you don't suffer from this there is 0 point.

[astral haven]

Toslink also cheap for super long cables

[lethal wasp]

a good dac prevents these issues, optical is largely obsolete afaik

I was sceptical of use powered dacs but it's just about filtering

the topping D10 was cheap asf and matched my £250 el dac which I refunded

cheapy cables can pick up crazy amounts of EMI

replacing my stagg rca cables with even amazon basic ones fixed an annoying buzzing from my studio monitors

[reef tundra]

Optical is not obsolete. Fiberoptics are the high-tech solution of the internet. For its high-range low-signalloss (if calibrated and welded correctly). Good lines can carry signals 100s of kms without repeaters to boost the signal again. Copper loses signal every meter, suffers from crosstalk, powerlines can cause noise, high-energy photons from deep space creating voltages in the wire. Optical is practically immune from EMI. The only problem is the higher cost for the laser, connectors, fiberoptic and modems. USB has an 5 meter cable length as seen in the specification(real life may be differend).

[astral haven]

A 25m usb cable costs 50, a 25m toslink cable is like 10

(you can do longer usb with an active cable)

And toslink is plastic and uses leds as a light source

It's pretty much the same price as a 3.5mm jack to implement electrically

Other thing usb is able to do is lower latency

Since the dac can communicate to the host device that it supports a lower latency

[old marlin]

@reef tundra toslink is not fiber-optic

Toslink is a polycarbonate rod

[reef tundra]

Fundamentally, it is still a fiber carring a signal through optical means. Plastic optical fiber is not as good in terms of attenuation, light scattering etc. but atleast you dont pay 50 euros per connector and plastic withstands more bending and stretching.

[zenith sonnet]

So, ya'll are saying I should ditch the USB cables and use optical instead?

[old marlin]

Provides no benefit

Instead of a lower data cap

Since it runs a protocol from the 70s

[reef tundra]

Depends on the situation and the requirements. The main problem with optical is that it does not carry power. Not sure what you specifically mean which one you mean with the protocol.. and whether it regards to the software and/or hardware side.

[hardy idol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjUscSRLwks

bruhhh

[tribal mountain]

I'm a little confused is there not going to be another restock of wooting one

[ashen spindle]

there is not

sold out = gone

[tribal mountain]

So they are not making them anymore

[ashen spindle]

exactly

[tribal mountain]

Okay thank you

[reef patrol]

However the HE is coming in April to replace the Model Two.

So that might be for something you would be interested in.

[zenith sonnet]

AND WHEN WILL I GET MY WOOTING ONE REPLACEMENT

This thing is aging 😄

[reef patrol]

Back to your containment field!

[zenith sonnet]

NO

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[zenith sonnet]

I've been waiting for 5 years now

I won't stop

Also need a Magni 3+

[ashen spindle]

anyone got a recommendations for a monitor arm/pole?

[reef tundra]

2020/3030 aluminum extrusions

[ashen spindle]

needs to be at least ~80cm tall and I cant find good ways to look for them based on height

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07SD41BNB found this one but ngl that looks a bit stupid with the arm instead of having the vesa mount on the pole itself

[reef tundra]

looking at the construction.. eh... might sag somewhat. Especially when extending that arm

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/J1sIZguHwp0

[reef tundra]

Nothing is indestructible. The CAT phones are pretty durable for the working person in construction or something. The IR camera on some of them is pretty cool

[wheat plume]

yeh!

[reef tundra]

And the same company that makes construction equipment would make the phone as durable in those situations. If they are not doing it for quick cash that is..

oh wait they even got milspec certification: MIL-SPEC 810G

[ivory geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/nokia-press-gif-18099067

All but one

[stoic grove]

Finding out CAT made phones was the funniest thing

I remember going through a smartphone ranking site and seeing CAT and thinking haha thats like that one construction company

and then it was

[ashen spindle]

great, found a good monitor arm

cant order it bc they cant ship it bc brexit

[old marlin]

lol

[stoic grove]

rip

[wheat plume]

Do I need the software to activate the 7.1 surround on the hyper cloud 2 wireless? cause on the wired version, the 7.1 button is on the inline volume dial if you use the USB port and not the audio jack

[ashen spindle]

first time I see something unable to ship out of the UK bc of it

[stoic grove]

what did brexit do that made shipping not possible?

is it just expensive?

[wheat plume]

Theit software is a UWP app? dang

[tribal mountain]

If I buy the wooting one clicky can I buy red/linear switches

[ashen spindle]

if its not on the site its sold out

not coming back

[wheat plume]

go on the website and see if it lets you

[tribal mountain]

😦 no I just didn't know if I could buy the switches separately and buy the clicky keyboard and switch the keys

[ashen spindle]

if it's not on the site it's sold out

[tribal mountain]

😦

[reef patrol]

No "switch bags" anymore, no.

Only replacement switches through Wooting under warranty.

[reef tundra]

Doesnt windows support software based virual surround sound already?

[wheat plume]

not too sure

but on my current headphones its driverless, so I can just plug the jack into the usb cable and use the button on the cable to enable 7.1

[ivory geyser]

You can however take the switches apart and take the clickbars/click leaves out of them, which will essentially turn them into linears!

[tribal mountain]

Does this make the press for actuation like linear like there won't be that bumb at the actuation point?

[ivory geyser]

Yep

It might make the switch a tad less stable tho.

It will be quite the hassle to mod all keys like this and a bit of a chore.

But it can be done.

Just for the love of god, SAVE the parts somewhere. In case you ever change your mind

[ashen spindle]

well if anyone has a monitor stand/arm recommendation that is >60cm and not from the UK let me know

[halcyon moss]

@ashen spindle https://tweakers.net/reviews/8124/opgeruimd-staat-netjes-twaalf-monitorarmen-getest.html how about dutch?

[ashen spindle]

would be fine but looks like they are all to short

[void ravine]

please help i cant move forward in analog mode on fortnite

[wheat plume]

My favourite OS: Linux; Build ID: rolling

[hard thicket]

it's playing DnD

[reef patrol]

I shoot magic missile at the kernel!

[foggy solstice]

Roll damage.

[wheat plume]

Xd

[crisp granite]

spell slot level?

and we need to know the AC class of the linux kernel

as well as any modifiers that apply

[ashen spindle]

but magic missile is an auto hit

[crisp granite]

hm

[reef tundra]

Reported to VAC

[crisp granite]

D&D 5th edition hath the answer

brb

[reef tundra]

VAC returns status: 1337 (= ayy lmao, good luck or something)

[crisp granite]

heh

nothing about it it requiring rolls to hit

just it hits for 1d4+1 per dart

[ashen spindle]

yup and if it's multiple they count as one damage source

[crisp granite]

but I still need to know what spell slot mansen is using for this attack

since he can have anywhere from 3-11 darts per cast

depending on the spell slot level

[ashen spindle]

and since it's not windows it doesn't have shield as reaction by default

[reef tundra]

I will use my teleporter to transport my 100 megaton thermonuclear warhead which will instantly go of due to it being taken out from the timeless dimention. The blastradius is about 1000 to 2000km

How badly did I shred my kernel?

[foggy solstice]

I just assume level 1, so just 3d4+1.

[wheat plume]

this marketing... wow :')

[halcyon moss]

why would you buy that? its gonna have shitty updates

[wheat plume]

Im not :') I just saw the wallpaper and had to comment

[reef tundra]

Marketing is pog.

[ivory geyser]

Those boots are so absurd for the job tho

[wheat plume]

Yeah xd at first I thought they are leather but nop, freaking lace xd

and high ass heels.... yeah

[ivory geyser]

Like they be sexy, dont get me wrong. Just like... not very practical for slicing people in half for revenge xD

[old marlin]

btw if anyone here uses logitech devices

and is plagued by g hub

https://support.logi.com/hc/de/articles/360059641133

there is a better alternative out now

[zenith sonnet]

Is that, like, a lite version?

Without the profiles stuff?

[old marlin]

yes

only onboard

no install even

just an exe

aka seemingly no bloat

and non cancerous menus

[zenith sonnet]

I guess it does not support, for example, webcams, then

[old marlin]

na

is only for the gaming lineup

the non-gaming lineup should still run on the LGS equivalent?

[wheat plume]

Hek yeh!

[cursive summit]

I hate that description

"With easy access to Google apps"

THAT'S THE PROBLEM

Fuck google

Back in early Android days it was actually fairly easy to completely cripple Google bullshit in the app control

Just manually disable all the processes

Now they are impossible to do so

Custom OS or bust eh?

[drowsy plinth]

can someone help me

[old marlin]

maybe

[wheat plume]

I think it's a jab at Huawei
Since Xiaomi can still use them but Huawei can't

[old marlin]

or maybe just to indicate to customers that they still do it

since some people would not be able to keep the to apart

[wheat plume]

Another 5 hours before I can finally setup my new phone

Cause I have a lot of documents to write for work

[cursive summit]

Got the 55" LG CX 😄

Massive gaming screen care package incoming

[wheat plume]

O.o

4k? Must be at that size

[cursive summit]

Yep

Ultra HD, 4K, 2160p, whatever you call it

OLED, HDR+, FreeSync Prem, etc

[wheat plume]

O.o

Freaking hell

That's awesome

[cursive summit]

Now

I don't have a card that can even run AAA 4K games

[wheat plume]

Oh ... Xd

So this is a future proofing purchase?

[cursive summit]

Nah I just wanted a TV to watch movies with fiancee with

With games as a side thing

Maybe an Xbox Series X later on in life I dunno

[wheat plume]

Cosy
I wish I had that

[misty saffron]

lg and xbox series x

[crisp granite]

@cursive summit how much are you tapped out for the TV?

[misty saffron]

happy suffering

[quasi shoal]

gimme a wooting one for free

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[crisp granite]

that was either very funny or very stupid

I can't tell

[crimson wigeon]

Gimme the next keeb for free because I'll make a review honest!!!!! I totally don't just want a free keeb!!!!

[crisp granite]

influence is standardized currency and has value, I swear!!!

[quasi shoal]

v

[cursive summit]

@crisp granite Fuck's a tap out

[crisp granite]

how much was it

[cursive summit]

50 eur monthly

For 2 years

[crisp granite]

not bad tbh

[pale sigil]

Feel bad for anyone who invested in amc

[cursive summit]

What happened to AMC

[ashen spindle]

it went up a lot so idk why you'd feel bad for them

[cursive summit]

I mean stock holders are in a good position right now

The chain itself is doing great

I heard their 600M$ debt has been vanquished thanks to the stock craze

[crisp granite]

wow

they're supposed to be in the red rn

coivid

[stoic grove]

wait they actually benefited from this?

[crisp granite]

if vex is right

[pale sigil]

amc dropped

today

[stoic grove]

most of them did, probably people selling over the weekend

still though these memes only last a week anyways

[ashen spindle]

.. AMC started the day by an insane hike wtf are you on about

[tough sequoia]

Hey guys, can anyone tell me if the wootility software would work with other analog keyboards?

[ashen spindle]

no

[stoic grove]

yeah I'd assume no

I didn't know there are other analogue keyboards tbh

[crisp granite]

hate to break it to you, but I don't think there are any other analog keebs that work even remotely like a wooting

[tough sequoia]

I think there's a few hybrids

[crisp granite]

bambooler master has one

I'd use their own software though

just because it's what the board was designed to work with

[tough sequoia]

I'm honestly here because of the fortnite streamers, just noticing a few people having issues setting up the strafing

[ashen spindle]

the analog is a result of the sensors + software, can't make it work with other boards, nor would it make sense bc that would mean they basically give away their USP for free

[tough sequoia]

So if I'm still facing issues with beta wootility and all fortnite settings on, what can I do?

[ashen spindle]

#archived_fortnite_double_movement check the pins

[crisp granite]

follow the troubleshooting steps in the pins

all of 'em

[last cave]

My drop + sennheiser pc38x's arrived today. No customs duty or anything, was delivered by yodel. Payed £120 in total including delivery which I think is a bargain 😛 buying from USA rocks!

[pale sigil]

haha ye sometimes you get lucky

[last cave]

can't wait to try them out in a game

came with spare ear-pads and braided cables... i'm now a big fan of Massdrop

impressed with the music quality of them

[cursive summit]

"My headphones arrived"

Shall we rather talk about that rare box of RX 6800s

[last cave]

hahaha thought i may as well include it in the background

safe to say i'm one happy boi

[vagrant marsh]

question

is there a way to centralize the taskbar?

on my rediculous wide screen, i need to go all the way to the left for taskbar stuff now. is there a way to put all the icons in the middle?

[last cave]

yes there is

I believe its called Rainmeter

[pale sigil]

fuck Rainmeter

tbh

[stoic grove]

why? resources?

[ivory geyser]

What is wrong with Rainmeter?

[reef tundra]

Because Dmenu is much lower on resources

[old marlin]

@vagrant marsh don't click and just press the winkey

[vagrant marsh]

what?

so...

dmenu?

[ivory geyser]

@vagrant marsh Yes, you can basically add another "menu" to the taskbar and use it as padding from the left. If we are talking windows.

[vagrant marsh]

yea

im not into a hurting myself fetish so i dont use linux

[ivory geyser]

http://www.wisecleaner.com/how-to/111-how-to-center-the-taskbar-icons-in-windows-10.html

It is quite easy

Just needs a bit of fiddling

It is basically a hack, but it works fine

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-knight-father-bread-boys-crusader-gif-18266778

[vagrant marsh]

im stuck at step 5

i drag them to the 'center toolbar' but they dont stick to it

[reef tundra]

Install arch linux instead to solve

[crisp granite]

look, I may be into that but linux is a no go

[stoic grove]

but it pretty

[misty pier]

taskbarx?

[reef tundra]

The heretics are enslaving themselves and wont listen to reason

[misty pier]

it very magical

[vagrant marsh]

it doesnt work for me 😦

[stoic grove]

centered icons are so good looking

[reef tundra]

Edit the source code and use: sudo make clean install

[vagrant marsh]

i drag em to the center toolbar thingy, but they just go back to the left

[misty pier]

i dont know whats up then

works fine for me

[reef tundra]

https://dwm.suckless.org/patches/centeredwindowname/

[last cave]

@misty pier Thanks, going to try that!

[vagrant marsh]

lol

how to center taskbar icons

2018

ofcourse they changed it in the meantime

[reef tundra]

The patch still works to this day, suffering from success

[vagrant marsh]

well, appearently not in my windows built

[last cave]

Right... that's it, I'm officially done with wires mice. Anyone know a good wireless one for gaming?

[vagrant marsh]

corsair dark core rgb pro

alright, ive done it

i used a program called taskbarX, which practically does what elvanos linked

and now they are centered

[crisp granite]

hiya kids

[vagrant marsh]

oh no

its doge

RUUUUN

[crisp granite]

exactly

[vagrant marsh]

whats up doge

[crisp granite]

pain

[vagrant marsh]

does that pain involve nauciating headache?

[crisp granite]

no

at least not yet

[vagrant marsh]

then its not enough pain

[misty pier]

hey doge, does the surface of viper mini get smoothened over time

[crisp granite]

kinda

the hand oils fill the gaps over time

but the texture should still be there after lots of use

[misty pier]

if it starts losing grip then i might cut out some grip tape

[true quest]

is it bad to get light headed three times in thirty minutes

[crisp granite]

I haven't noticed any slippage in my sweaty palm CS-GO adventures yet, I wouldn't worry

[crisp granite]

drink water, lie down

[crisp granite]

headache is starting

so it probably will in a bit

[misty pier]

im just not used to the surface coming from my rival 650

[last cave]

@misty pier I'm so pleased you recommended TaskBarX it's amazing and instantly works

[vagrant marsh]

be sure to take alot of asperin pre emptively @crisp granite

[last cave]

I bought it from the windows store

[vagrant marsh]

alright, i installed cod cold war

[misty pier]

oh yw, and... it's free

[last cave]

windows store it's not

[vagrant marsh]

wait, didnt i recommend it?

oh wait u did

[misty pier]

yeah

[crisp granite]

I got a willow tree outside, time to munch on bark

[vagrant marsh]

ugh

u vegan

[misty pier]

dude has a github page where you could get it for free

[last cave]

TaskbarX ftw

o la la

[vagrant marsh]

i honestly dont know how that github thing works

tried it, couldnt find any clear download button

[crisp granite]

nope, I usually use vodka and some weed with this kinda stuff

[last cave]

i just payed a dollar on windows store for the instant install

[crisp granite]

works like a charm

[last cave]

because i'm lazy

[vagrant marsh]

free

[misty pier]

ig if you dont like manually updating it yourself then

windows store is good

[last cave]

when i tried to do that zip install windows denied the install and protected my PC lol

Microsoft should just centralize taskbar by default imo

[vagrant marsh]

microsoft should default alot of stuff, but it will never

[last cave]

perhaps they're secretly saving it all for windows 11

anyone remember windows 8?

[misty pier]

idk i like having a centered taskbar since my manjaro workspace is exactly like this

[vagrant marsh]

i will await the day that windows 9 will be leaked

im installing cod cold war atm

see what the campaign is all about

[crimson wigeon]

Probably about the cold war

[misty pier]

i haven't kept up with it since mw3

[thick elk]

Windows 9 released ages ago, came in two versions windows 95 and windows 98.
And yes 95 and 98 are the real reason there is no windows 9.

[stoic grove]

windows 10X has a centered taskbar

[thick elk]

I still remember using windows 98 as a child.

95 even

[vagrant marsh]

i think my...

no, my second windows experience was 95

[misty pier]

isn't 10X for uhhh

insiders?

[stoic grove]

yeah its not out yet

it's also windows but not windows

[misty pier]

yeah i don't want to brick my system so i'm not testing out insider

[stoic grove]

windows is called windows because it had programs that can pop out as.. well windows.

windows 10x doesn't have that

its windows without windows

its a tablet os mainly but also for touchscreen laptops and in theory normal computers too

[misty pier]

so its like a continuation of windows 8?

just better?

[stoic grove]

yeah kinda

it also doesn't support windows programs outside of the store

like windows 10s

or S-mode now

[thick elk]

It plans to support them but in a containerised environment.

[stoic grove]

thats good

I think its cool to see a new windows, but I'll be honest it takes out some of the things that I think makes windows cool. BUUUT it also is what I think is good for windows' future

desktops are becoming less and less a part of every home and most casual people are opting for just phones or phones and simple laptops like chromebooks. This is windows ChromeOS basically.

afaik windows10x is largely rewritten but I'm not 100% on that

[vagrant marsh]

i dont think we will see a new windows any time soon. microsoft knows that maintaining different OS's is expensive and time consuming, since different updates needs to be made multiple times for different compatibilities

its almost not worth it

[thick elk]

I think 100% rewrite is nothing but marketing, I am sure they changed some portions of the code but most will stay intact.

[vagrant marsh]

also, we are way past the era where everyone just did whatever to make stuff work. look at flash. flash was made to make websites work with a universal code. dont need flash anymore because stuff is more generalized now

[crisp granite]

@vagrant marsh my head is going to explode

[vagrant marsh]

you didnt took the asperin as i told you to, did ya

[crisp granite]

nah

[thick elk]

If anything with a 100% rewrite it would make sense to switch kernels to either linux or bsd, as maintaining an inferior kernel architecture takes a lot of reasources and why not leverage what litterally everybody else uses.

[vagrant marsh]

well, then its your own fault, you sadistic sick freak

you machochist

[stoic grove]

if they had to choose they would almost certainly choose bsd

[vagrant marsh]

FUCK

[stoic grove]

if they used linux they'd have to open source some of their kernel

[vagrant marsh]

now that i got my icons centralized, i need to get used to not scrolling all the way to the left to click on them XD

[stoic grove]

the world is too cruel for the BSD license

[thick elk]

They would have to but that may not be relevant Linux due to it's gpl nature does have a lot more resources poured into it and is mostly better because of it.

[crisp granite]

you got me there

I really am one

[stoic grove]

that's true

anyways the windows kernel is a garbage heap of shit from the last 3-4 decades but it's actually a really crazy and kind of cool kernel

if only for the fact that it's so different

it's whole subsystem setup is pretty cool as I understand them

[thick elk]

It's not just the kernel itself but also the driver model and other things around it that keep it down.

[stoic grove]

yeah

my bad

[thick elk]

Drivers especially are the root of most problems.

[stoic grove]

have you heard of ReactOS?

not much at the moment

someday when it gets to xp level compatability though I would imagine it would become pretty useful for companies who don't want to or can't upgrade

also retro gaming

[crimson wigeon]

Eh, NT is pretty decent at recovering from graphics driver fuckups..

But really I'd rather have a microkernel based system so no driver can bring down the whole system

[quasi shoal]

ey boys hz stocken jullie geen wooting ones meer

[ashen spindle]

bless you

[crimson wigeon]

Sure

[foggy solstice]

Heb het niet nauw gevolgd, maar nee.

[vagrant marsh]

@quasi shoal please speak english so everyone can follow hte conversations. gebruik aub engels zodat iedereen de gesprekken kan volgen. Bitte benutzen Sie Englisch, damit jeder die Gespräche verfolgen kann. Utilice el inglés para que todos puedan seguir las conversaciones, por farvor. Пожалуйста, используйте английский, чтобы каждый мог следить за разговорами. 请使用英语，以便每个人都可以跟随对话

[crisp granite]

we all don't read and write dutch here

but all of us can read and write english

more people will be able to help if you could use english

[misty saffron]

kernel development

barely any of the cool stuff in nt is documented

by looking at reactos you get an idea of what is going on

[pale sigil]

Anyone wanna buy a wooting one iso without switches

[misty pier]

no

[crisp granite]

I'll skip

thanks for asking though

[pale sigil]

It's literally a spare wooting

Gave the switches away

[ashen spindle]

1$ + you cover shipping

[pale sigil]

Might be able to find a spare set somewhere

I can spice up the deal

[crisp granite]

one canadian dollar and you cover shipping @pale sigil

[pale sigil]

Anyone want a wooting one iso with prototype switches!

[crisp granite]

oooooooo

what switches?

[pale sigil]

You'll have to pay for the privilege of knowing!

[crisp granite]

these wouldn't happen to be "light as air switches", would they?

[pale sigil]

Nono I'm serious hahahaha

[crisp granite]

actually

what are they

at least tell me if they're linear, tactile or clicky

[pale sigil]

Linear

[crisp granite]

flaretech blacks then

or just some flaretech linears you did a spring swap with

nice

[pale sigil]

Nope

To all

I had a proto board

Of the wooting one which was used for testing

Before mass production

[crisp granite]

so the switches are just a super early trial run

so smooth as butter

[pale sigil]

Sold the board to Tony

[crisp granite]

since the tooling was really new

[pale sigil]

Switches are different but yes early trial run

[crisp granite]

wait

different how?

[pale sigil]

Have to pay to find out

[crisp granite]

hm

this or a 2HE

[pale sigil]

Tony has the privilage of having a extremely rare variant of the one

Original wooting one

Oh

Wooting HE

[crisp granite]

ye

it's a hard choice

[pale sigil]

For real though I'm considering selling it with the spare switches I have

[crisp granite]

a true proto board

or a brand new 2HE board

[pale sigil]

It has keycap but it's german

[crisp granite]

that doesn't bother me

[pale sigil]

Oh it's not a true proto board

Only the switches are

[crisp granite]

ah

[pale sigil]

Tony has the true proto

Or will do

[crisp granite]

hm

this is difficult

Price?

[pale sigil]

Oh ugh, idk, £100?+ delivery, the pcb/keeb itself has never been used

[ashen spindle]

once brexit allows shipping again, so like next year

[crisp granite]

ngl, with CAN customs, it was gonna be like that either way

[pale sigil]

I'm literally packing it up for Tony as we speak

Had to do customs etc

[ashen spindle]

doesn't mean it's leaving the border this year