🔌│tech

[crisp granite]

optical seems like the better choice to me

[vagrant marsh]

or atleast the easier

[crisp granite]

neither am I, I was talking about the "ground loop hum"

I use a usb sound card

it's enough for me

[vagrant marsh]

hoooly shit

look at those prices

[crisp granite]

onboard sound is awful, no doubt about it

[vagrant marsh]

thats almost more than some speakersets

[crisp granite]

bruh

I could buy a goose or two for the price of a setup

damn

[vagrant marsh]

why are av receiver so freakin expensive...

i want to have better speakers, but this way it really drives up the price

i know i said i have the money but...DAAAAAMNNN

speakerset, 500 bucks, surround receiver, 500 bucks, cables and plugs, another 50...

[misty pier]

always pricey

[vagrant marsh]

this guy is asking over 6 thousand for an av receiver

i dont even know whats real any more

[crisp granite]

I hate to say this

[vagrant marsh]

NO

dont say it

[crisp granite]

but some audiophile gear can go into the tens of thousands of euros

[vagrant marsh]

stawph

[crisp granite]

that's not outlandish at all

it might be for that particular model

[vagrant marsh]

ur raping my dreams

stop it

[crisp granite]

but overall, not really

[vagrant marsh]

only 50 bucks

[crisp granite]

hm

[vagrant marsh]

its only 5.0 😦

only 45

[crisp granite]

be sure to check reviews of said gear first

so that you don't buy a really shitty product

[vagrant marsh]

😦

all of these cheaper receivers got crappy power output

[crisp granite]

huh

no surprise really

they had to cut somewhere

[young pecan]

No shit, a cheap amp is gonna have cheap power delivery.

There’s a good reason why audiophile gear goes for tens of thousands at peak.

[vagrant marsh]

yea but im not an audio pervert, i just want good speakers

[crisp granite]

good one

audio pervert

I'll remember that one

[vagrant marsh]

im no internet celebrity raking in thousands of youtube money

[young pecan]

Good is relative. How good? In what way?

[vagrant marsh]

personally i was thinking of 500 euro worth of speakers, since this logitech z906 costed me 250 and is already producing some good sound

[young pecan]

If you just mean ‘electricity stronk, speaker loud’, go for an Ultimate Ears Hyperboom. That thing can actually peak 100db somehow. For whatever reason.

Idk why it can, but it can.

[vagrant marsh]

however, those 500 euro's of speakers need av receivers, which in themselves are 500 euro's

[young pecan]

Yeah, that sounds right.

Check your speaker power draw and find an amp that matches the draw required.

Or if you’re smart go for a little above required.

Honestly, you won’t be finding a good amp on the cheap.

Speakers can be built fairly cheap, but driving them has and likely always will be expensive for high draw.

Unless you wanna go second hand. That’s great and cheap.

[vagrant marsh]

so, powerdraw is 120 or 200?

man

this needs more than just an hour of search...

i think 100 watt/channel would be the minimum to go for

hold on a minute...

cant i simply buy better speakers...for my z906?

i mean, this is on the back of the bass. cant i simply connect the better speakers there?

hmm. someone on a forum says thats a no go since the z906 has a built in crossover, that wont produce frequences on the low end, so better speakers wont add much

[vagrant marsh]

and appearently spdif's are out of the question as well since almost no game use DTS encoding which allow spdif's to do surround sound

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-cant-help-it-chuckle-gif-13845864

[misty pier]

damn I made a joke about it when I saw someone post that page where you need to send a pic of your ID

hahahaha fuck

[pale sigil]

The fuck is parler

The fuck is gab

Twitter is a blog site?

[vagrant marsh]

You dont so...

https://c.tenor.com/nMiQqt5nAQgAAAAM/let-it-go-elsa.gif

[misty pier]

eeeyeah

that's why I never talk about this stuff

just gonna do something

[crisp granite]

parler and gab were the one stop shop for your alt-right, anti-lgbt, KKK, anti-Semitic, basically anything racist or outright wrong posts

yeah, thank fuck they're closed down

[reef tundra]

Think about Twitter, remove the TOS add the banned accounts from Twitter and let them go unchallenged and unrestricted.

[young pecan]

Honestly, I’m fine with it staying open.

Better where you can see them.

:/

Just have the platform only barely work enough to keep retention, but for it to be such an awful experience that it’s barely workable.

Sounds perfectly sadistic to me.

[vagrant marsh]

i think it would be better to have an unrestricted forum for them to gather around. i mean, most people's threats are empty and hallow. plus, it would be easier for the police to monitor them in such forums, and any threat that does deem serious can be acted upon before done. if someone posts "today im gonna shoot up this church", they can just send a squad right away

a person shouting he is extreme right doesnt make him extreme right. simply ignorant.

or would you prefer them to use underground networks? talk in secrecy and shoot up that church before anyone knows about it?

why not use those public forums instead of putting them out of the air.

[reef tundra]

That is the policy of most intelligence agencies when encountering forums that radicalise and make its members and newcomers. Their defacto response is to let them do their thing, thinking they are alone and free to speak what they really think. For evidence, but most important that they really think they are free to say what they really want. Without having to dog whisles, euphemisms and constantly rebranding. Same happened when the British cracked the military variant of the Enigma machine, to be able to decipher the code within a day. Before that they had to get lucky that some resistance cell stole or bribed for the that month setup configuration for each day of that month. Even with all the information they were able to intercept and decode even after cracking the code. They could only made small adjustments and sometimes let a cargo ship/warship/air platoon get sunken by the submarine or shredded by AA. As you don't want them to realise that someone has cracked the code. Even the suspicion could trigger the Nazis to restructure and change encryption methods. Rendering surveillance to much lower ability. Of cource the British were using the transmissions to divert and put themselves in better position. Intercepting fleets, guiding cargo ships away from submarines and battleships, planning more effectively air patrols, better routing and target info for air raids. But it would be very suspicious if an battleship suddenly suddenly steers to the other way just as the Nazi submarine, which is several nautical miles away transmitting to homecommand that the torpedo was launched and on the way to hit said battleship with an eta of 3 minutes. The people working on decryping the transmissions never knew when that invisible line was crossed and if they are being fed bait information or real intel.

https://gizmodo.com/every-deleted-parler-post-many-with-users-location-dat-1846032466

Apparently it had an verification process where the user could submit an selfie or Identification card/passport. Mmmmm

FBI would most likely ordered a subpoena for that data from Amazon. The Amazon lawyers would most likely already be in that process regardless they officially receive the court approved subpoena. They dont want to lose that safe haven clause at all costs.

And Parlors claim of being unbiased social media and having no censorship is BS. There are many people reporting being (shadow)banned from it. Especially those with left-leaning positions or not far-right enough aswell.

[young pecan]

Wish we had that.

A truly neutral website.

Sadly such a thing only nearly exists.

[kind nebula]

Won't exist until a decentralized platform moderated by democracy exists, and every tech company will do everything they can to murder it because it will kill all of them

[young pecan]

Mhmm.

F to decentralised platforms.

[zenith sonnet]

Closest thing I know of is actually 4chan 🤷

[halcyon moss]

and what a shitshow that was :p
mostly it was in jest though

[young pecan]

@zenith sonnet Yep, that was my first thought as well.

[zenith sonnet]

Democracy is not neutral

Democracy is literally popular opinion

[young pecan]

Suppose the closest thing to neutral would be an anarchistic society.

Everyone out for themselves, idk if something lands closer.

[zenith sonnet]

Anarchy ain't neutral either

[young pecan]

Closest to.

True neutral doesn’t really exist, hence why I say that.

[zenith sonnet]

Technocracy can hit closer

But are we still talking forums or something else?

[young pecan]

Idk.

Yes? Maybe?

Idk tho, I feel anarchy is as close to non biased as you can get.

Neutrality being the major platform not siding with any one side, 2B2T is a good example of that.

‘Cause if you have a technocracy the major platform holder will be biased toward stability, and anything inherently unstable should, for the good of the platform, be told to fuck off.

That alone eliminates a majority of the extremist views.

[red oyster]

Nature is biased towards the strong

Anarchy is biased the same way I'd assume

[young pecan]

It is, and that's the issue.

[red oyster]

The most neutral humanity you'll ever see is after we annihilated ourselves

[young pecan]

True neutrality really can't exist with humans for the same reason socialism can't. :/

[red oyster]

If there is no human there can be no non-neutral opinion

[young pecan]

We just don't work that way.

[red oyster]

I don't think anything works that way

[reef tundra]

An rabbit aint that strong?

[red oyster]

Probably has at least a bit to do with nature itself

[young pecan]

@reef tundra Uhh, what?

[red oyster]

Every living organism has some strengths otherwise it wouldn't exist

Even if the strength is "can run fast and reproduce well"

It's a strength that allows it to survive

If it doesn't have some strength it'll inevitably die out at some point

Though there existing some creatures that won't survive much longer is also expected I'd assume

And humans probably have their fair share in extending their live span, if we didn't do the opposite already

[reef tundra]

Its not strengths that determine the success of a species. It is mostly down to adaptability. How the enviourment is (predators, pray, food, temparaturem, humidity, altitude) and how much the species has adapted as an result. There are invasive spieces that can overtake a ecosystem symply because the lack of natural predators or competition.

[young pecan]

Bruh.

[pale sigil]

Damn, that's why I'm still alive then :p

[young pecan]

Those are strengths.

._.

[reef tundra]

A polar bear will have a bad time in the saharan desert

[kind nebula]

Correct, but it wouldn't be pure democracy, it would need to be weighted to address known biases in measurable demographics, ideally having these weights tuned with as little human oversight as possible. Maybe machine learning could be used effectively here since it just needs to be good at removing bias, but not necessarily perfect. Biggest thing obviously though is preventing bots from voting which will break the concept immediately

[young pecan]

No shit, so what was a strength in one environment becomes a weakness.

It's not a static measurement, it depends on the environment around it.

[reef tundra]

So..? the point stands that environment has more influence than its strengths

[young pecan]

Ah, that fallacy.

People determine that the animal molds to the environment, but it's not that simple.

They mold to eachother.

An apex predator might kill a lot of big animals, that means smaller ones might be safer, that then means that bugs might be far less safe, which can cause catastrophic change in an environment.

The environment has been changed by the animals and the new paradigm demands evolution or death.

This actually has happened several times before. A good example was the Visean stage of the Carboniferous period. A lot, and I mean a LOT of trees were around, this made oxygen much more available and thus arthropods become more or less the dominant life form.

Arthropleura.

The TL;DR of that is no environment goes unchanged by the animals in it, and sometimes they can cause enough change that it actually causes mass local extinctions.

[old marlin]

only applicable if your apex predator doesn't annihilate any species it comes in contact with

[young pecan]

shrugs Also happened plenty of times.

[old marlin]

nah

like

we had some hard apex predators

that ate most stuff smaller than it

[young pecan]

Oh wait, yeah.

Fair point.

[old marlin]

but not like an apex predatyor that eats small to large mammals

but also insects, all species of aquatic animals and so on

[young pecan]

I'm more generalizing, y'know?

I could go into detail, but that's a LONG and very complex lecture.

Pls nu.

[old marlin]

overall humanity won't be able to destroy earth irreparably without nuking it into pieces

saving species etc mainly only contributes to not collapsing current ecosystems

[young pecan]

Pffffff

[old marlin]

which would be a major crisis

for humans

[young pecan]

That'd do really shit all, tbh.

[reef tundra]

Trees dont produce much oxygen as many think? Especially when you account for that trees consume oxygen during the night. Most oxygen production happens in the ocean by algae and bacteria or in the ozone layer by the UV rays?

[young pecan]

Even if we use all of the uranium in earth for nukes we'll do fuck all to ocean life.

[old marlin]

with "nuking into pieces" I mean reducing earth to millions of asteroids orbiting the sun

[young pecan]

@reef tundra Again, I was generalizing, it's more than just trees.

There isn't enough uranium to do that, man.

[fickle ore]

We'll just destroy it for us 😛

[young pecan]

We literally cannot build that many nukes.

[old marlin]

yea basically

I mean

[fickle ore]

and that's all I really care about, stupid piece of spinning rock

[old marlin]

if we could figure out how to turn matter into energy that "problem" would be solved

since you could essentially just use the earth to destroy the earth

[reef tundra]

You can use nuclear reactor to make uranium into power

[old marlin]

as long as we don't reduce it to rubble we essentially can't destroy life on earth for good

[young pecan]

Pff, if we could figure out mass energy conversion we may as well be gods.

[old marlin]

other than waiting for it to be destroyed by getting absorbed by the sun

even if we get mass energy conversion bending space would be hard

[young pecan]

^

Well, maybe.

[old marlin]

if we get to that point we would be gods

essentially

well teh effect of 2 supermassive black holes was barely measurable

[young pecan]

Warping spacetime either needs extremely high mass or energy density.

[reef tundra]

Burning wood is a way to turn matter into energy

[old marlin]

so I think we are still far away from that

[young pecan]

Kinda hard to make that energy without mass energy conversion.

Sure, Dyson Spheres and Black Hole Ripping, but that's stationary energy.

Actually doing it on the mobile? Hard ask.

[old marlin]

dyson spheres still don't do mass energy conversion though?

[young pecan]

They don't, but the density is high enough.

[old marlin]

ig

if you get decent efficiency

photovoltaik won't be good for them

at least atm

[young pecan]

Yeh.

[old marlin]

move water turbine goes brrr ironically is still the most efficient way to generate power from most sources

[young pecan]

But with enough satellites the density can be more than high enough with pulse lasers.

Issue then becomes the square cube law.

[old marlin]

tbh

dyson spheres mean fuck all

since we will have fusion power long before we would be able to build one

[reef tundra]

Photoelectric effect has a theoretical limit which we are very close to

[old marlin]

and at that point it only is a huge inefficient fusion plant

[young pecan]

Mmm, not quite.

Again, energy beaming with low cost due to accuracy (fuck you, square cube law), could be pretty good.

[reef tundra]

Lasers?

[old marlin]

well you also have to add much less control

[young pecan]

If you have enough satellites around a star doing that you can get impressively high snowballing.

Yes, lasers.

[old marlin]

shit response time since even with line of sight light takes a while to arrive at the satellites

so lot's that can go wrong

[young pecan]

Mhmm.

[old marlin]

and a huge amount of ressources needed

[young pecan]

That’s why it’d be such a pain to setup.

Relays upon relays upon relays.

[old marlin]

I wanna add to that that the european electrical network almost got a blackout

this year

[reef tundra]

Also keep in mind every time you convert the energy you lose power.

[old marlin]

when they connected romania? to it

[young pecan]

Mhmm, hence why a Dyson Sphere is exponential loss and gain.

Good power if you can build it.

[old marlin]

what would you even do with that energy

that is the problem

like you might as well build a huge fusion reactor

and strap a giant spacecraft to it

electronical space travel is still in it's infancy though

and you still need a gas as a medium to move

since we accelerate xenon atm to even make use of it in space

[reef tundra]

fusion -photon-> solar panels -> lasers -photon-> solarpanels -> further netlosses?

[young pecan]

No shit.

[old marlin]

solar panels are the crux

unlikely that they would be used

heating salt blocks would prob be the way to go

like it is currently done in solar farms

much more efficient

[reef tundra]

You mean with heliostats and a solar power tower?

[fickle ore]

dunno about ya'll but I'll want a perovskite roof with panels ;P

[cursive summit]

I'd love to have my own solar power plant

Free electricity

Then you can just say goodbye to gas

And water heating

Basically you just pay for water itself, heat it up via a heater

[fickle ore]

who uses gas lol

[reef tundra]

I'd love to have my own Nuclear power plant.
Lots of income from the excess power. The steam can heat the home. Little material is needed to keep it running and it is safer than a coal power plant

[fickle ore]

Im thinking about heating types for my house

prolly going with ground heat pump

[cursive summit]

@fickle ore Well gas stoves are still popular

I lived in a place which had an electric stove but a gas heater

[fickle ore]

uff, not in europe, methinks, atleast not in nordics..

[cursive summit]

I'd rather go full electricity

Solar power is bae

I just wish it would generate enough of it

Not to just go into a shortage at night

[reef tundra]

But how will you get carbonmonoxide poisoning now?

[cursive summit]

But capacitor banks prolly have enough storage right?>

[reef tundra]

Capacitors hold very little for their volume

[fickle ore]

something like this

but i'll prob add an oven that I can burn wood in

[cursive summit]

Well solar panels are quite resource-efficient afaik

There are problems recycling those shits but we're getting there

[pale sigil]

Would you say £25 is reasonable for a SanDisk ssd 250gb

[cursive summit]

Yep

[pale sigil]

That's ahout a year old

And not used thst much

[fickle ore]

I want a frigging Intel Optane 200gb for a boot drive

[cursive summit]

I mean for a decent boot drive 30 greens is quite good

[reef tundra]

Capacitors are great for delivering lot power and quickly. Thousands of amperes without any real delay. Just a chemical battery is orders of magnitude better in watts/m3

[pale sigil]

Cba selling my shit now, I'm binning some parts so offering them to a friend for free except the ssd

[reef tundra]

bin the chips on the ssd as well

[pale sigil]

I hate selling hardware

I've gotta send out so much stuff

In the next week

Be nice to get some of my room back

[reef tundra]

Even worse is to get rid of furnature and putting it for free (pickup) online. and then they begin scutinising it for every scratch, discolouration and that they dont like the colour.

[pale sigil]

Lol

[reef tundra]

All you can really say is that you want to get rid of it and not graded and valued for a museum. You want it, grab it. Else go, its second hand what did you expect?

[cursive summit]

Are you ready for CES 2021?

Tune in at 11 AM ET on Tuesday, January 12 as AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su highlights AMD’s high-performance computing and graphics solutions portfolio. From education to research to gaming, AMD is making bold moves in 2021—and we want you to join us.

YouTube: https://youtu.be/sxTjfX9v8M0
AMD.com: amd.com/ces

We can't wait to see you on the virtual stage!

In 5 hours

[reef tundra]

Crispy jpeg compression

[crimson wigeon]

14nm+++++++++++++?

[reef tundra]

just cut the atoms in half.

[zenith sonnet]

Holy crap that slide
Even the original is horrible to look at

[astral haven]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15217/IntelRoadmapWM.jpg
this is the original

[red oyster]

Plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus

[thick elk]

They should add a number to the plusses because they really are no longer legible, maybe 14nm+10 or 14nm+10^3 later on.

[ashen spindle]

instead of 14++++++++ call it 22(new)

[pale sigil]

Intel just love mentioning AMD lol

[reef tundra]

Intel is AMDs biggest fanboy

[pale sigil]

4% for how much more though

[reef tundra]

Power use?

[cursive summit]

Idiots'll still consider 10900K -> 11900K an upgrade

[zenith sonnet]

Depends on your usecase?

At the very least, numbers go up

[pale sigil]

Where Is all this coming from

[ashen spindle]

CES

[reef tundra]

Newer gen, Newer tech. Or atleast faster old tech

Those images are compressed enough to smuggle them with QR codes

[zenith sonnet]

It has more plusses, so it's better

[reef tundra]

Also possible sneaky marketing bs is that the games are set to different settings. One is on high, the other on ultra, very high.

[ashen spindle]

yes because not every games names the presets the same...

[thick elk]

I would prefer it if intel where at least call it the i7 11700K instead as that is a fairer representation.

[astral haven]

nah panda the only difference we found was power usage

[thick elk]

At the very least the price should be in line with the 10700k

[astral haven]

the 5900x was set to 105w and the 11900k was set to 125

[zenith sonnet]

There is a narrow range where intel is faster than AMD

[reef tundra]

That is what I am wondering. Did they cherry pick the settings where they had the positive edge, using different graphic settings?

[astral haven]

nope

[zenith sonnet]

Probably

[astral haven]

they used the same graphics settings for both

[ashen spindle]

they did disclose the settings so you can replicate it, and for gaming only rocket lake will probably ever so slightly better

[zenith sonnet]

Same cherry picked settings

[reef tundra]

Not in that way, but by setting it to very high instead of ultra.

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ yea

[ashen spindle]

what if the game doesn't have ultra?....

anyway gotta wait for benchmarks to see how memory is involved, how 1% lows etc. appear

but it's most likely that intel is going to be just a tiny ammount better for stuff like idle pwerdraw and gaming

but so miniscule it will come down to pricing

[astral haven]

according to some leaked mem results, intel lost 5ns on memory somewhere (vs 9th/10th gen)

real yikes throwing away part of the only advantage they had

[ashen spindle]

doesnt necessarily have to matter if you can push higher stable stuff and be better there

[thick elk]

I think this is going to be a tough one to do.
Intel cant justify having a much higher price core for core, AMD on the other hand has their 12 and 16 core parts. So undercutting intel still leaves them with more expensive parts.

or lower margins

If both have stock that is

[ashen spindle]

both will have stock issues

[astral haven]

i mean intel could choose to overprice it lel
wouldnt have stock problems then

[thick elk]

Intel prices are also more in favor of oem's as far as I know.
Just because the consumer price is a bad deal, does not mean it's a bad deal for HP for example.
Especially since OEMS do love to gimp the cpu's with single channel memory.

[astral haven]

intel stocks oems as a main priority

but pricing isnt that far off

[thick elk]

In terms of stocking directly selling to consumers is the lowest on the list for all major manufacturers.

[astral haven]

amd prioritizes 50/50

intel waterfalls

[reef tundra]

Intel would most likely prioritise the server/business partners.

[astral haven]

servers dont use these cpus

they arent even on the same manufacturing

[reef tundra]

Depends on the customer

[thick elk]

The thing is if you hit a snag in production, scaling down the consumer parts is much easier than having to deal with oem contracts.

there is always at least some form of waterfall going on.

[reef tundra]

if you want to buy a few pallets they will even allow you to specify what you want

The problem with the oem contracts is mostly the bureaucracy needed to adjust. For the consumer market they can just stop the machines and say dont care

[astral haven]

i mean

dell and a few other sis confirmed they would not receive their entire orders

[reef tundra]

completely or on backorder?

[astral haven]

they would receive partial shipments

(this was back in the 9000 series days)

[reef tundra]

You mean in general?

[astral haven]

yea

the example given was them ordering 10k units but only ~3k showing up

[reef tundra]

ah, then it makes sense. That is just the way that factories work, in general.

[astral haven]

~~some factories only allow as many orders as they have capacity to make ~~

😛

[reef tundra]

Worked in a few factories myself. Everyone of them will have the mystery of pallets of product with tracking label that just doesnt work and exist when it hits the warehouse. Or they cant see the difference between 3 cans of paint on a pallet and 72

[astral haven]

intel fabs are nearly 100% automated internally

their output is known

[reef tundra]

And the angry truckdriver that has all the correct paperwork but the order doesnt exist in the system.

[astral haven]

yea but intel had more orders outstanding than they had theoretical ability to fulfill

back in 2019

https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2019/11/intel-supply-letter-customers.pdf

[reef tundra]

That is what marketing calls: not my problem

[astral haven]

marketing is noooot happy to have to do this

[reef tundra]

hmmm

Feels non-genuine

[red oyster]

"Sorry lol"

[astral haven]

you mean a letter from marketing wouldnt be genuine
shocked pikachu face

[red oyster]

I didn't read it but a game dev I played in did that and someone on Reddit had such a good response to it

Some super rare thing was just like insanely more unlikely than it was supposed to be

Change log: "fixed it (lol sorry)"

Great responses

[reef tundra]

It reads like this: sorry customer, we are making too much money. We cant even make the damn things. Sucks you have too wait, not our fault. Supplier bad, we good. Also we have magic and everything will end perfectly.

Please note we are working tirelessly and please continue to support us bye

[old marlin]

@reef tundra actually our inventory doesn't have some random stuff laying around

well

none not inventoried stuff at least

[astral haven]

well ofc
because thats exactly what it was panda

[red oyster]

There's always a few magical things isn't there

I don't work in a warehouse but in our company there's also a few magical items that just aren't in the system

They just uh exist

[old marlin]

doesn't happen here

sometimes we get non inventoried stuff randomly sent by a customer

if we get something like that the customer gets it right back

[astral haven]

and we have a person here whose entire job it is to prevent there being any sort of unaccounted for stuff

[old marlin]

the worst we have is stuff we finished but the customer never went and picked it up

[reef tundra]

Hey, I did that job few years back

[old marlin]

audi tt sales just weren't good for example

[astral haven]

thats accounted for tho

[old marlin]

so we got a ton of audi tt parts

just sitting in a crate

waiting for either the subcontractor to disappear and get sacked in by some bankrupcy firm

or to sit around till we burn down the place

[reef tundra]

Litterly pallets of paintcans straight from production that doesnt exist. And it cant leave the production hall without being labelled and scanned in...

Ghost pallets

[old marlin]

lol

[astral haven]

only thing interesting so far about the launch is the tachyon

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/797133454989852672/798486868655472640/Z590_AORUS_TACHYON.png

[old marlin]

[reef patrol]

Only one USB3 header. Pfft...

[reef tundra]

It was also great when the truckdriver arrived and the person forgot to scan the location of the pallet. So you had to go row by row trying to find the thing

Wait really, mobo with one usb?

[astral haven]

it only has 1 front panel connector for usb 3

[old marlin]

• a 3.1 header

[astral haven]

but caring about case connectors on an xoc board is kinda????

[old marlin]

an d an internal USB port

[reef patrol]

No.

[astral haven]

wdym no

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/no-means-no-jim-carrey-gif-3542301

[reef tundra]

Still no CAN bus provided.. the tragedy. How will my motherboard communicate with the car now?

[old marlin]

?

case connectors are a valid point

[reef patrol]

Especially on such an expensive board 😄

[old marlin]

a lot of cases come with 4 USB ports + USB C nowadays

[astral haven]

this is an xoc board

you are supposed to use it on a bench

[reef patrol]

Uh... no 😛

[reef tundra]

No, it is a very brave motherboard

[reef patrol]

It is - an option -

[reef tundra]

*adapters not included

[astral haven]

it is the intended design

notice where all the buttons are?

[reef patrol]

Hard disagree 😛

The buttons are where... they often are. On any OC board.

[astral haven]

gigabyte themselves said its the successor to the soc lineup

[reef tundra]

Who needs buttons when you have serial?

it aint the cavemandays

[reef patrol]

Look - You can keep screaming "IT'S A TABLE BOARD!!1" all you want. But table cases can have 4+1 USB ports too 😛

There's plenty of room for another 3 header.

[astral haven]

where

[reef tundra]

ontop

[reef patrol]

Below the bottommost PCIE socket for one.

Obvious gap there.

[astral haven]

i dont see it?

[astral haven]

ah

[ashen spindle]

are there enough lanes left for that with 4 full pcie slots etc.?

[astral haven]

no

[reef patrol]

Plenty of toggles for that.

If X is populated, Y is downgraded.

[astral haven]

that takes alot of board space

[reef patrol]

Uh... no it does not 😛

[astral haven]

all of that is switching

[reef tundra]

Not directly from the CPU, but chipset also fans out PCIe lanes and bridges can turn any amount of pcie lanes to any other amount of pcie lanes. The speeds will just suffer more and more

[reef patrol]

And there's plenty of space on the board for more 😛

[astral haven]

pcie requires another 4 switch chips

there are 2 free spaces on that board

here

and that usb spot you showed

[reef patrol]

There's much more than that though.

If they wanted to - They could have done it. Easily.

They didn't - So the board is not interesting to me. 😛

[astral haven]

this entire area is entirely full

[reef patrol]

....No it isn't 😄

[astral haven]

this is fully accounted for

[reef patrol]

Are you blind

[astral haven]

wut?

[red oyster]

Cranberry

[old marlin]

?

also wtf

[reef tundra]

The boards looks a lot like a fpga learning/development board with all those switches, leds and buttons and exposed signals

[old marlin]

ATX connector sits very low

[astral haven]

designed so that one of the people working on it can sit here and handle the cpu pot and monitor voltages

while the other person on the other side deals with the gpus

[old marlin]

I mean yea

[reef tundra]

Doesnt it have any sensors?

[old marlin]

you have GPU power connectors about there anyways

so it makes sense to bundle them

I am sure it has some sensors somewhere

[astral haven]

doesnt have as many as youd expect

you are expected to provide your own

[old marlin]

well

at least the chipset has some temperature sensors

[astral haven]

well yea

[old marlin]

[astral haven]

but those dont work under 0c

[reef tundra]

Where is the BNC connector?

[old marlin]

so the answer to Doesnt it have any sensors? is: yes it has sensors

[astral haven]

gotta solder your own connections panda lel

those pairs are all solderpoints you can use

[reef tundra]

Those are pretty close.. solder jumpers?

[astral haven]

no

they are designed to be probable with high frequency probes

those are where you can hook up the voltages to your oscilloscope

if you jump them your board is dead

probably not your cpu tho

[reef tundra]

Great design... parkinsons probing kills the board

[astral haven]

its not designed for normal use

[reef tundra]

They seem to me just exposed copper pads

[astral haven]

yes

this isnt a normal motherboard that just anyone should go pick up
if you dont know what you are doing its probably best to avoid it lel

this is for running 32gb of 5200 memory

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Intel-Z590
its not listed on their site yet lel

its a 12 phase without doublers
on 100a mosfets

[reef patrol]

TLDR; It's a useless halo product only designed to get that 8Ghz L2N record.

[vagrant marsh]

Right

[astral haven]

yup

[vagrant marsh]

Talking about intel?

[astral haven]

but its also very useful for hitting 5Ghz+ on memory

[vagrant marsh]

Ready for the 10nm++++?

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-though-thor-smile-gif-13334930

[astral haven]

nope its still 14nm lel

itll be difficult to hit 5g on any other of their boards

[reef tundra]

100A mosfets? clicky relay more like it

[vagrant marsh]

Yea but after the next one, we get 10nm+ while the normal 10nm only came out for laptops

[astral haven]

oh no

10nm+ is already laptops

[vagrant marsh]

Then...

[astral haven]

next we are getting 10+superfin

[vagrant marsh]

This would be 10nm++

[astral haven]

which is 10++

yup

but 10++ is the end

[vagrant marsh]

Lol

Wanna bet?

[astral haven]

intel is trying to get this dumpsterfire gone as fast as possible

[ashen spindle]

they already said they are stoppnig calling it ++ bc they got confused internally too

[astral haven]

yea

its + superfin

[ashen spindle]

raja said it himself

[astral haven]

but superfin is longform for +

[vagrant marsh]

Lol. Only the plusses gets them confused?

Not calling their product 10650gtlhmng

?

[ashen spindle]

no because an engineer never touches that

[reef tundra]

Next year they will use # instead

[vagrant marsh]

🤣

[ashen spindle]

engineers work on nodes, not on a certain cpu model

[reef patrol]

I'mma be 100%. I stopped caring and trying to remember Intel CPU names once they hit 10th gen.

I don't know a single one.

[vagrant marsh]

12900v1. 12900v2

XD

[reef patrol]

It's all AMD from here on for me.

[astral haven]

get ready for first gen ddr5

strap in

its gonna be a very very painful ride

[ashen spindle]

intel can easily become the budget option since they can make chips with lower cost than amd can

[reef tundra]

But what if Intel broke into your house and demanded verbatem the specs of the 31827391290381902K

[astral haven]

no quin

even with tsmc amd is still alot cheaper per cpu

[ashen spindle]

the cost to make it? hell no

not the 14nm parts

[astral haven]

(total manufactured cost)

yup

costs intel an estimated $70 per chip for any 10th gen (10 core) chip

[ashen spindle]

they are using basically 6 core chips in 1/2 core lower solutions because it's cheap enough

[astral haven]

yea

but those chips arent cheap to produce

they are still 170mm2

[ashen spindle]

they are still cheaper than 7nm tsmc

[reef patrol]

I genuinely can't wait for someone to reproduce Apple's M1 scheme, but outside of their ecosystem.

Imagine running all of your Windows apps and games in realtime emulation.

[astral haven]

170mm2 14nm cheaper than 65mm2 7nm?

nooo

[ashen spindle]

..yes

[reef tundra]

Because they all start intended to be the best of the series. But silicones is rough and the surgeries might be botched

[astral haven]

well i have a source that says it costs amd $35 per ccd

so

um

go fish

[ashen spindle]

got a link to that?

[reef tundra]

And I have heard from the shadowpeople that it costs the soul of an unborn I3

[ashen spindle]

that is a estimation from someone on twitter

that is not a "source"

[astral haven]

just google it

everyone is within the same range

[ashen spindle]

"Some info on TSMC wafer prices. (Not actual but rigorous estimates)."

[astral haven]

what, do you think amd is paying more than the sticker price?

[ashen spindle]

trying to find links, I've been over this a couple months ago

[astral haven]

https://soiconsortium.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/MS-FDSOI9.1818-cr.pdf
this is the original source

[ashen spindle]

2018... already wayyy outdate

[astral haven]

yea so its even cheaper

important thing to remember
iso defect density, larger chips = exponentially more dud chips

the ccd is under 70mm2

[ashen spindle]

I know, I'll look into it after work

14nm has extremely high yields by now

[astral haven]

actually the yields are really poor because of how hard intel is pushing the frequency

at least for flagship parts

we will never know the dd officially from intel

[ashen spindle]

well, yields for that part, yes, but for example the 10900k, they just sell yields with lower freq as 10850k

and the 10900k is just halo product to look better

[astral haven]

yup

[ashen spindle]

yield imo means useable product in these cases

not yield% for highest product option

[astral haven]

if you go with that intel is doing alot less bad relatively speaking

because they arent wasting a single chip lel

dropping down all the way to dual cores

problem is

intel has more nescessary die parts (sa, imc) than amd has die in general

throw on that the fact that 7nm yield is "better than expected"
and 14nm yield is "worse than expected"
and well
🤷‍♂️ you can draw your own conclusions

the ccd architecture was absolute stonks for amd

their flagship 40k processor costs them ~$350 to make

where intel is spending 3x that on way less than half the core count

[ashen spindle]

sure, but for $/wafer or $/chip it still means 14nm is great since you can make use of most of it

[astral haven]

?

$/wafer 14nm has a large advantage of only being part cost (raw materials and machine time)
vs 7nm which has the tsmc slice

yet $/chip amd ends up ahead because they are producing 4x as many useable chips per wafer

[young pecan]

^

On top of that you have to consider chiplet designs that lets AMD scale up a CPU by just adding more chips instead of brute forcing monolithic designs.

[wheat plume]

GPU is beastly :O

[old marlin]

honestly who cares about that

[ashen spindle]

wild life is cross platform test from 3dmark which means it's useless bc it makes no sense to compare that cross platform

[old marlin]

even if it showed actual numbers

who tf cares about that

[ashen spindle]

it's nice in theory to know about things but doesn't show much real world benefit yeah

[wheat plume]

just didnt expect such a big jump between SD865 and SD888

[old marlin]

like literally what does GPU power bring me in a phone

website rendering time?

[pale sigil]

Phone speeds barely matter anymore

[ashen spindle]

also nothing too new https://www.anandtech.com/show/16271/qualcomm-snapdragon-888-deep-dive

[crimson wigeon]

MOBILE GAMING

[thick elk]

Personally find it pretty sad that mobile gaming is in a pretty poor state right now, hooking up a controller to a phone is easy and it would make for a great handheld system.
I would have loved it if steam just had it's own android store with cross buy. I would play a lot if indie games that way if possible.

Instead we get loads of crappy games and pay2win

[ashen spindle]

I'm torn on it

one side sure that is nice, but we would also get an exacerbated version of "this is a pc game, but also needs to run on mobile so turn down graphics if needed" or so

[thick elk]

Oh not the type of games I was thing of, but there are a lot of indie / less graphically intensive titles that would migrate perfectly fine.

[crisp granite]

heh, switch life

I hate the switch, just because the games I would play on it would run like they did on my old laptop (540p-720p low settings)

[reef tundra]

Like super meat boy, binding of isaac?

[crisp granite]

and the exclusives look pretty weak

[thick elk]

I think the switch is fine, but I would prefer a more open portable system. Android has the potential to be that but I think only if people can cross buy with pc.

so far generally for a lot of games having full price for just a android version does not have a lot of appeal.

[reef tundra]

Maybe even remoteplay?

[thick elk]

remote play already exists

[crisp granite]

if steam offered support for some games on android like GTA SA and fallout 1 and 2, I'd totally game on my phone

[thick elk]

I do wonder if there would be enough of an audience willing to sideload / if such a separate version of steam. Or even phone makers installing it by default

[reef tundra]

Isnt gta sa alaready on the phone ported?

[crisp granite]

mhm, but a really shit port

[thick elk]

some games are ported but it's pretty rare and most are older

[reef tundra]

Probably, hardware is even more constraint than the original hardware was

[crisp granite]

really?

I really thought my samsung S5 edge would be more powerful than some 90's home pc

[reef tundra]

The home pc has the advantage of not being concearned to drain a battery

It can also run much hotter

Be much larger

[crisp granite]

true

but in terms of raw horsepower

[reef tundra]

Better to talk in raw unused horsepower

OS overhead and such

[crisp granite]

true

[thick elk]

Anyway there is no reason for everything to work on android, just the games that would make sense on both which is still quite a lot.

Be it on average smaller titles.

[reef tundra]

And you will have people with their knock-off smart-phone trying to run it and being angry it runs poorly

[crisp granite]

true

but that's on them, really

[reef tundra]

It will still steal from the companies resouces to hear them screaming

And most bigger developers steer clear from the mobile market due to its extreme volitility and oversaturation

[crisp granite]

true

it would be too hard for steam to get market share

and near impossible to get enough to make it worthwhile

[reef tundra]

The shareholders want their divedends and aint going to be pleased when you tell them you are going to make mobile games and hope it becomes something

[crisp granite]

true

better to keep with the status quo

of dominating the PC games market

[reef tundra]

Consoles are the safest bet, pc gamers are a little more fickle and more varied, mobile is the kind of market where you make it or never see anything

[thick elk]

A separate steam store would not be that costly, considering they are actively developing on linux quite a lot.
It would have to only be sideloadable and would differenciate itself by being steam.
I don't think it's goal would be to achieve a lot of market share on android but rather to give users another reason to buy certain games / buy them on steam.
The argument, hey I can also play them on my phone, sure it requires installing the steam apk.

Epic games in fact completely bypassed the play store with fortnite so I don't doubt valve can get users to do the same.

[crisp granite]

true, bringing them to steam regardless of platform helps

[reef tundra]

It would be an great help for indie devs to be able to port their game to mobile with as little friction as possible

[crisp granite]

mhm

and steam would also have to limit most games from running on android

since the hardware is way weaker than PCMR parts

we don't want people complaining about their brand new smartphone being unable to run cyberpunk, do we?

[thick elk]

I don't think that would be a major issue, system requirements are still a thing and its aimed at a pc audience not a phone audience primarily.

[reef tundra]

Only if it meets certain critirae ofcource. Mostly old games and simplistic indie games would be benefitted

[thick elk]

Besides steam refunds can also be used.

The cirteria would be up to the developer to see if it makes sense to port.

[crisp granite]

mhm

and what about games that no longer have the studios behind them?

[reef tundra]

Some set of (virtualised) hardware and consistent and playable framerates

[thick elk]

Well if developers don't want to port they don't. Steamplay / proton could also be done on android but that would not be the first thing.

[reef tundra]

Most likely legally speaking either the publiser or former devteam can request for this. When the studio behind it is gone.

[crisp granite]

huh

cool

[reef tundra]

Often the publisher claims the IP, copyright, trademark. If possible

Or some other studio buys the licence and owns it

[crisp granite]

so, for now at least, microsoft owns fallout 1 and 2 and could allow for/make a mobile port

[reef tundra]

depends on the contracts setup

If no legitimate owner can be found, well it becomes public domain.

[crisp granite]

ah

[crisp granite]

that's so unlikely

literally one member of the devteam can just say "I'll take it" and boom

[reef tundra]

Very unlikely, companies like money

[crisp granite]

or, yeah, corporate shit

[reef tundra]

Just remember that copyright, trademarks, patents and others legal protections are made with a coperation with a lawyer in mind

Anyways, proton is awesome and works great for what it has to work with

[zenith sonnet]

A good and stable motherboard power delivery matters, though
Evennif this example is maybe overdoing it

[zenith sonnet]

Genshin Impact is just that
Just the other way round
It's already starting

[vagrant marsh]

hey yall

[crisp granite]

sup

[crimson wigeon]

Oh is 16:10 the hot "new" thing now? Sweet!

[ashen spindle]

why

did ces show new 16:10 stuff?

god I hope not

[crimson wigeon]

Yes

[ashen spindle]

fuck

that's the best part about home office

I dont need to use the 16:10 monitors at the office

[reef patrol]

It's like taking the Ferrari down to buy milk.

Overkill is best kind of kill.

[crisp granite]

yes

I should use a C7A2 to kill moths

[ashen spindle]

that's why I always use two ferrari, one for each direction

[crisp granite]

good idea

[ashen spindle]

@crimson wigeon wait did you mean monitor or laptops? for laptops that's ok

[crimson wigeon]

Laptops

[ashen spindle]

ah phew

[crimson wigeon]

Although I obviously wish for computer monitors as well!

[ashen spindle]

no

bad

I hate that format for monitors

[young pecan]

I mean, no shit it was gonna be a thing.

How many randos out there are like "GoD, i'M sO UsED tO My 16:10 AspECt RatIO11!1!" because they're working from home because COVID.

Available market, no?

[urban lynx]

... i used a 16:10 monitor for about 12 or 13 years until very recently.

it's not really supported anymore.
either that or i just never figured it out.

[young pecan]

They’re used in a lot of workspaces because why the hell would a company upgrade anything?

Lotta companies still run Vista/XP/7 at most, from there you do kinda get stuck with legacy hardware.

[reef tundra]

Companies will run the equipment untill the replacement parts are not available anymore

[young pecan]

Weeeeell, not quite as simple as that.

It’s more if you rely on a program that isn’t ported to Windows 10 for smooth transitioning it can cost a metric fuckload of money to license a new app, licence cores/chairs for new windows, plus you have to pay for a complete hardware upgrade, and your server backend needs to change.

That kind of operation can easily cost $500,000+...

[reef tundra]

I have seen machines build in the 80s constantly breaking down but they can still get the relays to fix it when it breaks down weekly for hours. Taking 3 people to diagnose and fix

[young pecan]

That, I think, is for mission critical shit.

Banks are a great example, they still use COBOL and a LOT of legacy hardware.

[reef tundra]

Nope, it just boxed the product. Thats all. Take the cardboard, apply glue, fold, inject product and let it roll off

[young pecan]

Yeah, that’s just stupidity.

You can buy a machine for 50 grand to do exactly that, you probably spend more in overhead and maintenance in a year.

Maybe 100 to 200 grand for that gear to make an assembly line.

[reef tundra]

That is how little most supervisors cant be bothered to fix the problem long term. Next shift is 8 hours away anyways and not their problem

[young pecan]

shrugs Nah.

It’s that doing it requires money and doing a business consultation.

That’s the part they look at and give no fucks.

That specifically.

Y’know how goddamn boring a business consultation for the requisitioning of components is?

[reef tundra]

That is what machine building companies do

[young pecan]

It devolves into dragging a dude into your factory, telling him what you need to do, and then spending 3 months buying shit, followed by a month of downtime and testing. Fuck that.

[old marlin]

asus leaked so much shit today

new RTX whatever card

[young pecan]

And the most awful part is that you always gotta do step one MULTIPLE goddamn times so you can be very extra sure the company the dude is from isn’t trying to fuck you.

[old marlin]

omron optical switches

the omrons are not even finished

[reef tundra]

That is true, they will always have their employees standing by. And that problem is fixable by contacting multiple companies and getting their opinion and pricetag

[young pecan]

Yeh.

And then there’s the satanic cumshot known as internal logistics. NEVER HAS THERE BEEN A MORE TEDIOUS PIECE OF CRAP.

I swear sometimes you go to your boss 5 or 6 times with updated lists of shit so they can feel free to write a page worth of ‘it’ll give us more money, lemme buy it’ to the CEO.

I can go on this topic for hours and hours, but goddamn if the easiest way of saying how terrible the whole ordeal can be is not to simply say “there are no good parts whatsoever”.

[reef tundra]

If some company is being difficult just wait a week and deny it without reason. Works wonders when a big contract is on the line

[halcyon moss]

Im still running mine and it works fine in almost everything. Some console ports having black bars or something small like that.

[reef tundra]

Is there such an difference with 16:9 and 16:10. I cant tell the difference

[halcyon moss]

Yes, it's not too big, but it's better

Just a bit taller gives you more vertical space

[ashen spindle]

I hate it

[reef tundra]

I just tilt the display when vertical space is important.

[halcyon moss]

How can you hate more space?

[ashen spindle]

idk why, I just dislike using the monitors at work and I didnt even know why at first until someone pointed out they are 16:10

[halcyon moss]

Personally I think 16:9 is too wide for a lot of regular desktop stuff

And not high enough

Especially on laptops

[ashen spindle]

granted at home I'm using a 21:9

yeah laptops it makes more sense imo

[halcyon moss]

Tablets too

Although my shield tablet, which is 16:10 is even close to being tall enough

[ashen spindle]

sure, dont use them so cant really say anything there

[reef tundra]

sensing 4:3 coming back now

[halcyon moss]

Yes please

[ashen spindle]

god no, at least not for gaming

[reef tundra]

VR monitors

360 surround displays

[young pecan]

Just exhaust yourself to the point of hallucinations, the display will be huge.

[reef tundra]

You will even get new friends to show it off to

[young pecan]

Panda knows the strats, clearly.

[reef tundra]

Its very OP and pretty much the META of the game. Unless one of the Gods will patch it out, but currently the approvalrating for that patch to be rolled out about 13%. Most of the opposition likes to torture humans and this patch will ruin that.

[modest pelican]

anyone know how to fix the sideways movement ??

i have A and D binded, but it's still the same as a normal keyboard and idk how to fix it.

[urban lynx]

the monitors at my workplace are a wild mix of old and new. it seems to me they just grab whatever was available.
i mean i understand it.
why get rid of a monitor that still works?
not like a lot of office work needs super new, fast response time monitors, lol.

however my company runs win10.
and tbf i was suprised to find usb 3.0 ports, as well as 8gb of ram xD

[vagrant marsh]

ohhhh. my store is getting a gigabyte supply

i hope they will get enough so i finally get mine

[latent mural]

24g HOLY

[vagrant marsh]

Yea man. Graphics cards carrying more memory than the average gaming pc

The future is now

[zenith sonnet]

Average for a PC with a 3090 is 32-64GiB memory

[young pecan]

Ehhhhhhhh.

I’m gonna have to disagree there. 64 gig RAM seems a little high to me.

Unless you’re video editing, but then why use a 3090 when better GPUs for the price/performance exist?

[astral haven]

playing games in hdr at 4k and at 8k does consume vram like nobodys business

[vagrant marsh]

Price/performance is an excuse of poor people to justify the fact they cant afford a 3090

Everyone would buy a 3090 if they could afford it

True dat

Your american?

Yea, americans aint used to manual

Manuals are still most sold in europe and russia

Yea. Though, automatics do become.more common

[urban lynx]

whats the issue with manual transmission?

they dont need as many as automatics to still be fuel efficient

really? i havent seen had any automatic car with more than 7.
and the first is used exllclusively for getting out of neutral :smiling_face_with_tear:

my bmw is a 6 speeder manual.
its consumption is average of like 5.7L per 100km.
my drive to work is 42km.
the gears are damn amazing for the speedlimits here.
4th gear for comfortable residential, 3 for the slower zones. 5th for some rural parts. 6th for 100kmh

weird. usually people go slower than the limit here for some reason when i try to use my speedlimiter thing

also if u really care about torque. why not go electric?

how far is this "lap"

question.

diesel or gasoline?

what size is your tank

in L pls

okay, other:
what car you drive? xD

was about to say, it would be the charger that improves fuel consumption with them...

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle @zenith sonnet AGESA 1.2.0.0 happening on MSI, and prob other vendors soonish

[urban lynx]

i already produce 220NM at about 2,100 RPM

you said you live on a hill?

so you let yourself roll it down...
without having to use the engine to accelerate?

how much kw does yours put out?

how much killowatt?
or horsepower if u use that instead

[cursive summit]

Dunno usually kw's and horsepowers are different measurements, no?

What's a foot pound?

NM?

Nanometer?

I'm guessing this is all car talk and I know nothing of it

Dunno other than N's I don't recall seeing other measurements with Ns

[urban lynx]

i formaly apologise for being german.
that we use kw for our vehicles.
also for working, and not having time to convert stuff myself right now.

[young pecan]

There be a good reason why the term 'Freedom Units' gets thrown around so often.

[thick elk]

I do think we still use pk for things like cars in the Netherlands. Do note that our horsepower has a metric basis so is slightly different. ~735W instead of ~746w.

As for why manuals are more popular in Europe it has to do with two things, historically they were more efficient up until somewhat recently, second thing is the way we get our drivers license.
It takes on average 40 hours of lessons and if you take lessons in an automatic you are only allowed to drive automatics for x number of years afterwards.
This causes some stigma against driving in automatics, them being for people not good enough for a manual.

At least this is the case in the Netherlands, I'd assume it be somewhat similar across europe.

[halcyon moss]

now having an automatic, its nicer tbh.

[thick elk]

I never drove automatic, but I do find the gear shifting at least a bit enjoyable.

[halcyon moss]

I drive to get somewhere, not because its fun

[thick elk]

Of course, but that doesn't mean having something I personally enjoy doing in the car is bad to have.

[halcyon moss]

nope absolutely to each their own 🙂 im happy with my automatic

I always wondered about this stop and go traffic, because i realised im not often in that kind of traffic

get out of the city, highway, get to destination

[thick elk]

Most stop and go traffic is pretty easy to anticipate, just leave some more distance when accelerating and catch up when breaking.

no need to accelerate fast most of the time

[halcyon moss]

getting out of the city takes me ~10minutes.
getting from the highway to the to the destination about 15?

and spend about an hour on the highway.. which is a place where you rarely change gears anyway

im not making a case for auto here :p

i leave gaps... it improves feul eco

and safety

electric stationwagons when? :p

thats a good thing right?

good lane control too would be nice

current car has a lane departure warning system, annoying but i tihnk its good. might also improve driving skills :p

i thought its based on cameras, and lines on the road

in teslas atleast

what do you mean with zoned?

uh i was under the impression that zone approval was not required at all for the lane keeping of any vehicle.

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/kw1o9f/psa_having_random_black_screen_crashes_under/

@ashen spindle @fickle ore

[reef patrol]

Time to pick to voltages. Or add a small oc

[ashen spindle]

depends, the 11900k? hard to get, anything below? should be somewhat easily obtainable

just from the fact they have a much higher capacity they can make

[fickle ore]

@zenith sonnet Haha actually I was having that issue, already read about it. Yeah it was caused by too high "negative" curveoptimizer allcore setting

Was -15 allcore

Set -20 all core but -12 on best cores, seems to be ok so far

[zenith sonnet]

Funny enough, I had issues with my 3700X, but never with my 5950X

[fickle ore]

Yeah but have you set curve optimizer?

Also my current 2x8 gb 3800/1900/CL15 setting with default secondary timings

[urban lynx]

i havent had that yet... then again majority of my drive is basically autobahn.

[urban lynx]

so far i always enjoyed driving ...

[halcyon moss]

im not saying its not not-fun

[urban lynx]

in germany you pay MORE to learn automatic license than manual.
and until recently automatic was neither more fuel efficent and cost more than manual.
also either 7+ automatic gears are a new thing with new productions, or it's in a semi truck. / other work or industry vehicle because i havent found any normal car with so many gears

this i actually experienced before lol

i had the smell of burnt clutch in my very first car. but thats because the gearbox kicked it

[halcyon moss]

i wonder about that feul efficiency, is that for city driving?

i doubt it matters on the autobahn

[urban lynx]

triple negate?

[halcyon moss]

haha

[urban lynx]

fuel efficency varies. depends how you accelerate, general speed. how often u stop. etc

[halcyon moss]

ofcourse

the specs on my car also say the manual is more fuel efficient

[urban lynx]

if i drive to work entirely in the shadow of a semi trailer i go all the way down to 4.8l/100km

[halcyon moss]

but thats wltp or the older one.. with perfect shifting moments etc

thats what i get with my diesel 😒 normally

[urban lynx]

tbf, if i drive my moms automatic i often want to shift up earlier than the gearbox does.

it is also prone to shifting down immediatly when u step on the gas

so its fuel consumption is barely any lower than 7

it's a diesel too

so it still makes its 1000km

if you'd drive it in one go though

in reality after about 800km you refill

[halcyon moss]

what car is it? mine is a xc70, not a small car

[urban lynx]

vw tiguan

[halcyon moss]

ah, big high box

[urban lynx]

she had an audi sq5 as company car before.
that thing drank so much...

[halcyon moss]

800 km is barely more than some of the recent electrics

[reef patrol]

"¤#%¤&%&¤%& Microsoft Teams.

[ashen spindle]

I agree

works right now for me, but I agree

[reef patrol]

Can't even install the POS and config mic/webcam settings.

[crimson wigeon]

That is correct

[reef patrol]

You're not part of teams yet - but you can sign up
Listen here you little ...

[thick elk]

The last time I had to work with teams, both parties agreed to move to google hangouts instead.
Nowadays with work we actually use Discord most of the time.

Just wish discord had good account switching support, but using the beta version for work is also fine.

thinking about it I may as well move to ripcord for work.

[ashen spindle]

we'll stick to teams bc exchange, tied to onedrive etc. I assume

it's not the best but I much prefer it over skype

[thick elk]

At work we are not at all tied to the microsoft ecosystem, or any ecosystem for that matter.
We have less of one big ecosystem and more budget options.
Storage is done on some central nas, mail via imap + thunderbird or webmail, calender google (also via thunderbird). chat via discord

Also our windows + adobe is all pirated

The sad part is I am responsible for this mess and our planned move to linux didn't go because of some weird issue with the sites we host.
Never managed to figure that one out, if there are too many linux users on the same ip working at the same time, connection to the site kept timing out.
Linux in this sens also includes Android.

[ashen spindle]

rip

yeah I'm all for going full into MS ecosystem here just so we have some semblance of a organised something

[thick elk]

Meh using different systems I really don't mind. As for ecosystems I would prefer google over M$ as it's a bit more os agnostic.

[astral haven]

Also google is so cheap relatively speaking for what you get

[wheat plume]

.-. TIL you need the razer synapse in the background for it to set the RBG colors to your device

FFS

[pale sigil]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DrntxWqDuvI&feature=emb_title

@wheat plume

[wheat plume]

🤔

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/fy2xGx4iMBk

[ashen spindle]

intel stock 10% up

because CEO is stepping down february

[wheat plume]

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume trust one of your fave channels to be a robot anime chick

[wheat plume]

:')

he does show off some reall awesome things in Linux

mostly gnome and plasma desktop related

and then you get a shitpost like that

[ivory geyser]

I can't read lol... I read that as Lana wanting to be robot anime chick...

I am fucking blind lol

[ashen spindle]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/intel-ceo-bob-swan-to-step-down-in-february.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Main&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1610546656

[misty pier]

https://www.razer.com/concepts/razer-project-hazel

gamer mask, with rgb for extra protection 🤔

[crisp granite]

hm

very cool

[ivory geyser]

Pretty cool cyberpunk/cybergoth prop tho - regardless if it actually works or not

[crisp granite]

mhm

this would be have been just the thing for high school, if I still went there, and there was covid then

since I did woodworking as a class there

[ivory geyser]

Hmm

[crisp granite]

I could wear an N95 to not choke on sawdust and protec against the virus

and also have that blessed RGB

only problem

synapse 3

[misty pier]

hook up to pc to change rgb

[crisp granite]

ugh

I hate opening synapse

and it's pretty iffy for me

it only works saving profiles half the time

[young pecan]

Razer actually made a mask.

Omfg...

The worst part is that the design and theory look legit, I see no reason why it wouldn't work.

[old marlin]

?

well

first off

project

so not a product yet

probably never will be

[young pecan]

N95 filters, voice amp, face sealing, UV sterilization in the case, and actual design.

[old marlin]

also will be far over 100 USD

[young pecan]

That's absolutely doable on the cheap.

[old marlin]

• you need other filters

[wheat plume]

Yes, but this is Razer

[young pecan]

No?

[old marlin]

what about that is cheap

[young pecan]

And N95 filters are cheap as hell.

[wheat plume]

they will 200% markup this

[old marlin]

just the case is close to that price

[young pecan]

You understand that N95 filter packs can be had for $15 USD, right?

[old marlin]

wireless charging UV sterilization not small molds and so on

ik

the filters are probably the cheapest part

[young pecan]

X to doubt.

Wireless charging is laughably cheap.

But I'd mark the filters as the second cheapest part.

[old marlin]

depends on how many you expect them to make

aka