🔌│tech

[thick elk]

Personally I think going above 4k does not seem useful at my normal monitor sizes.

of course vr screens are a different story.

[reef tundra]

But then you can say you got that 24 karat screen

[thick elk]

44.1k screen running at 44.1khz.

[reef tundra]

sounds familiar number... isnt that an common audio sample rate?

[thick elk]

yes

[reef tundra]

nice

[ashen spindle]

but speaking of gta, how does this math work

I earned 98million, spend 87 but I have 20 in cash right now?

[gilded dome]

Off the books spending exist?

[reef tundra]

Its called smart accounting

[ashen spindle]

no I dont think that really exists in gta

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/Oew-0aDInLQ?t=194

[reef tundra]

uwu

[wheat plume]

:')

Pamac got a redesign.... Interesting...

[reef tundra]

That is why i believe in the power of pacman

[wheat plume]

I really like this redesign, the search bar no longer loses text inside it if you hide it

is this new or was it always here in a different place?

ooohh, it was a sidebar!

[reef tundra]

I dont know that program, pacman and yay do it all

[old marlin]

@hexed gyro unrelated to wooting, but do you know if huano has a public website or anything where I could get a datasheet from one of their products?

something better than this would be amazing http://www.yqtengfei.com/plus/view.php?aid=4

ah wait

found one

[reef patrol]

Finally found the time to put together my loop. And everything boots up mounted. (Big big anxiety there with some ... 30 cables or more to keep track of)

Converting the 2080 back to water and doing the actual water part seems like a breeze in comparison.

[ashen spindle]

no pics of the franken setup for us?

[ashen spindle]

[reef patrol]

Before I stuffed most of it in there. That's basically just the RGB on the table there.

Well fans in general I spose.

[misty saffron]

i'm sorry but that looks fucking disgusting

[ashen spindle]

ah yes, rgb for fans, the thing my fans have that I didn't bother connecting to my board

[reef patrol]

The price of having a ton of RGB.

2 cables for each fan for a total of 18. Three controller boxes. And then all of the PSU cables on top as well as front IO.

[halcyon moss]

jeez, thats a lot of rgb

[reef patrol]

My GPU is laying on the table with a riser cable and the CPU has no cooling. But it boots, which is crucial before I fill it up with two liters of unicorn seed.

(very rare)

[ashen spindle]

mindfactory has like 10 variants on stock of the 3080 if you feel like caving into scalper prices

eyy for once they also have amd cards

at least both variants are getting scalped equally

[reef patrol]

I genuinely hope stock suddenly exploded and scalper retailers lose what they earned or more.

[ashen spindle]

aint going to happen for mindfactory sadly

they are the biggest outlet afaik and they usually are always on the pricier side

at least other shops seem to also be getting models

proshop updated their chairt

they are having a total of 13 6800xt incoming

[reef patrol]

Proshop is just Effend in general

They still haven't filled all release day orders of most 3080 SKUs.

[ashen spindle]

https://www.proshop.de/AMD-Radeon-RX-6000-Series-overview

[reef patrol]

"+400 orders still not fulfilled from release day"

3080TI it is then!

[ashen spindle]

at this point might as well wait for that yeah

also, I just noticed something

mindfactory cant even scalp correctly

the Special edition Nitro+ is cheaper than the regular one

sorry, "cheaper"

[reef patrol]

Kind of moot at this point anyhow. My 2080 is going back into the loop till further notice.

And the 3080 was mainly for Cyberpunk. Which I've already completed twice. :monkaHmm:

[thick elk]

I have a decent number of older games to play, just gonna wait for the shortage to blow over.

[cursive summit]

Holy shit

Nintendo got massive hacked

Switch development kits, security documents, etc got all leaked

Even worse

Nintendo sent hitmen to spy on Homebrew devs

[old marlin]

@ashen spindle since when is mindfactory on the pricier side

[cursive summit]

Like what the fuck is this

[old marlin]

I swear to god everybody is said to be pricy now

[ashen spindle]

I mean, aside from alternate which is just a scam imo. Almost always I could find stuff cheaper elsewhere or had MF as the highest on pcpartpicker lists etc.

[misty saffron]

tell me about it https://up.hw.gl/0vRhHPjyfW.png

[old marlin]

yea start looking on caseking then

[ashen spindle]

well, based on 30xx/6800 cards MF was more expensive

[old marlin]

well yea

[ashen spindle]

granted, caseking had not stock

[old marlin]

they react quick to trends

and know how much they can overcharge

[ashen spindle]

I noticed, caseking had the nitro+ listed for 990 on release, it went down to 880 now its back at 990

[old marlin]

lol

[ashen spindle]

0 cards sold but prices changed

[reef patrol]

Almost ready now.

Just a bit of tubing left. But first dinner🍴 😋

[ashen spindle]

don't mind me feasting on your system while you eat duck-food

yoink, my system now

[reef patrol]

👀

[ashen spindle]

nothing to see

your diagnose of lana

[wheat plume]

?

[pale sigil]

ngl

kinda tempted to keep my 7700k and make a server

[crimson wigeon]

That's the spirit

[pale sigil]

its so annoying to sell hardware

unless i accept paypal fees

[latent mural]

Swizzin server! 👍

[cursive summit]

@latent mural

Do you work with audio equipment

[latent mural]

No, just had some experience with it

[cursive summit]

Ah

Looking for good stuff like this

Dunno what are good options

Not that rich so might go with something FiiO

[latent mural]

Ooo a questyle

Expensive taste

Though I'd prefer some Rupert Neve at those prices

To start though, you'd be best off looking at what headphones you want to run now and in the future. Then look at budget.

[cursive summit]

Rn I'll be getting K371's soon

In shipment

Later dunno

D1990s? LCD-1s? 6XXs?

Not planning to go over 500$ barrier

[latent mural]

Nice, I like beyers and audeze for sure. Senns I like too, so yeah, nice.

[cursive summit]

How good is AudioQuest, I have been seeing their items

[latent mural]

AudioQuest are very good

[cursive summit]

Something tells me that this thing isn't very great 😄

[latent mural]

Dragonfly's are good, but you can get better desktop stuff.

They are especially good if you are on the move alot

[reef patrol]

Err...whoops.

[crisp granite]

oh dear

[latent mural]

Ding dong, sir, we have a problem

[crisp granite]

I don't see any spilling in the photo

where's the leak?

[latent mural]

Yet*

[cursive summit]

@latent mural You're British? 😄

[reef patrol]

The coolant isn't supposed to be strawberry milk coloured.

[cursive summit]

I like that pfp

[reef patrol]

[misty pier]

well you got strawberry milk now

[latent mural]

Indeed I am

[crisp granite]

I actually like the coolant colour

[cursive summit]

Hmm

[reef patrol]

Yup. At least till my 3080 arrives.

[crisp granite]

shit's hot

[reef patrol]

Used to be hot purple.

[cursive summit]

I have a feeling we'll get along great @latent mural 😄

[misty pier]

now the real question, is it safe to drink?

[latent mural]

Haha

[crisp granite]

a 50/50 of that and vodka should be safe

[cursive summit]

What even is this 😓

Why so many dials

[misty pier]

half strawberry pc milk and half vodka

[crisp granite]

hm

sounds good

milk and vodka, like a white russian but with strawberry instead of kalhua

[latent mural]

Inputs I'd assume

[cursive summit]

Looks a bit overcomplicated

Dunno I need something cheap and effective

[latent mural]

Yeah, its really not needed

[cursive summit]

Callum had something from Scarlet and it looked great

[misty pier]

focusrite scarlett?

[latent mural]

They are good if you need all that connectivity

Most likely not though

[cursive summit]

I just need great sound 😛

[latent mural]

DAC and amp

No need for interface

IMO

(Please don't say schiit haha)

[cursive summit]

Stuff that makes sound sound better

[misty pier]

think schiit has an all-in-one solution

[cursive summit]

I don't really know the terminology

[latent mural]

Damn you lol

[cursive summit]

Or what I really need

[misty pier]

https://www.schiit.com/products/fulla-1

not sure if they ship to EU

[latent mural]

They have an EU site

[cursive summit]

Something makes me think schiit is going to be shiit 😄

[latent mural]

They are okay, better measurements on more recent units like the heresy

[cursive summit]

@digital cliff Yep around that price point

[misty pier]

I’m kind of biased towards jds labs though

[latent mural]

I have that amp

[cursive summit]

I don't know what to think of this

[latent mural]

Paired with a topping d10

[cursive summit]

"Paired"?

[misty pier]

uhh, they allowed a custom engraving for the ol dac

[cursive summit]

Why do you guys need multiple things? 😄

[latent mural]

One is a DAC, the other an amplifier

[cursive summit]

Hm, is a combo not as effective as two separate devices?

[latent mural]

Depends on make and models, butbita nice to have a stack

The atom stack looks like something you would enjoy

[misty pier]

yeah it kind of depends

[cursive summit]

How about those "sound cards", are those worth it?

[misty pier]

you could have noise from your gpu I heard?

[latent mural]

Its best to have audio solutions out of the PC, because of all the crosstalk

[misty pier]

yeah just invest in a a good amp

[latent mural]

Agreed, DAC is the second to last thing to look at

[misty pier]

I got mines since I can switch between optical/usb for my diff devices

[cursive summit]

This thing looks sick. But it appears to only DAC.

I have seen these weird glass tube thingies before

[misty pier]

oooh, vacuum tubes

[latent mural]

That's a tube amp

Prob hybrid

[cursive summit]

Ooh it is an amp

299 here 😄

[misty pier]

chonky all-in-one solution

[latent mural]

Little Dot mkii with a tube roll. Mmmm sexy

[cursive summit]

"THDA-500T v.2 is a midi hybrid [vacuum tube/solid state] headphone amplifier which can be also used as a preamplifier."

[latent mural]

Usually colours the sound

[cursive summit]

Hm, so that thing is a hybrid?

Dunno there seems to exist no reviews of the thing

299 though.. sizeable sum

[latent mural]

Oh power tubes too, nice

I'd go solid state tbh

Tubes if you like to experiment

[cursive summit]

Is the fact that THDA is "hybrid" a bad thing?

[vast moss]

My new 6800 (Sapphire Nitro+) came in the mail, and as much as I want to uninstall my current display drivers and put it in, I'm thinking about my PSU. I have a Corsair CX550M (550W Bronze) right now, which is definitely below spec for a card like this, but could it at least do for the two weeks or so it'd take to get a better PSU? I'm looking at the Corsair RM750 (750W Gold) as a potential upgrade.
I know I asked this before, and I got a few responses (one yes and a couple nos) but I'm hoping for more opinions and possibly accounts if possible.

[ashen spindle]

whats the cpu?

[vast moss]

Ryzen 5 3600, currently OC to 3950 but I can (at least temporarily) drop it back down to 3600

[cursive summit]

Dunno sounds good enough

Upgradable but unless you OC it it'll last I feel

[ashen spindle]

yeah no need to upgrade your psu

[cursive summit]

Doesn't the new RDNA2 do random power spikes?

[ashen spindle]

if you run it stock

[cursive summit]

I believe when comparing to 3090 the 6900XT did some absurd power spikes

I might be wrong

[vast moss]

I don't see myself needing to OC the GPU, but CPU would be nice to push to 4000 if I can. No urgency though

[ashen spindle]

cool but thats not the card he has?

also, how did you OC the cpu?

[cursive summit]

6800 doesn't suffer from the same thing?

[vast moss]

Auto-OC in BIOS settings

forgot what the setting was actually called; I can take a peek though

[ashen spindle]

erm, why would you hard oc it to that if the boost is 4200?

[vast moss]

Good question. I don't know, just thought it'd be helpful. If it's useless, though, I can take it back down to stock

[latent mural]

Run everything at stock and you'll be fine for a couple of weeks

[ashen spindle]

remove the cpu OC, put the card in, no need to change your psu

(its the non-XT gpu, right?)

[vast moss]

yes, non-XT

[ashen spindle]

yeah you're fine

[latent mural]

Its a good idea to replace PSU for efficiency, otherwise sure

[crimson wigeon]

Or just put it in without getting rid of any OC

It's like overclocking your PSU

[ashen spindle]

nah, I get the feeling his cpu oc is actually hurting him

performance wise

[vast moss]

It might be. At the least, it's not really benefiting me.

[latent mural]

Yeah you don't need the OC

[cursive summit]

What you need is PCoptimizer Pro

It works, real well

[vast moss]

And acc. PCPP, my current PSU is missing the 4-pin +12V ATX power rail that my mainboard has, and though my system has worked seemingly fine without it so far, would it be good to populate anyway?

[timid chasm]

The 6800 pulls what? Like 260w when gaming?

[ashen spindle]

nah, that is if you heavy OC the cpu so it needs more, or you have a lot of power hungry pcie stuff

[vast moss]

understandable

[ashen spindle]

but yeah, for ryzen it's usually best to keep it as it is and just get good cooling, allow it more power in ryzen master or so, instead of normal OC like you'd do on intel

[vast moss]

So uninstall my display drivers and remove the OC, then put in the GPU?
I have a CM Hyper 212 Black, so I suppose I'm OK in the CPU cooling department

[ashen spindle]

you can remove the oc whenever, it's not bc of power needed, it's because I'm quite certain it's not beneficial lol

[vast moss]

Understandable

[zenith sonnet]

Anyone have a 6000 series card?

[vagrant marsh]

@ashen spindle for my screen, the 49 incher, is that res about the same performance as 4k?

[ashen spindle]

idk

you got widht and height, multiply it and see if its more or less

[vagrant marsh]

its as easy as that? 😛

so the higher the number, the more intense it is

hmm. so its a little less than 4k. that means it should have somewhat improved results over 4k

the rtx 3070 seems like a proper upgrade from the 2070 non super

got me the ability to buy an aorus 3070 master here

ohhh

shiny

[misty pier]

cyberduck

[vagrant marsh]

i hope you have put cooling fluid in it tho 😛

[reef patrol]

Take 2.

[vagrant marsh]

more greeny

[pale sigil]

idk what im doing wrong

[reef patrol]

Closer to what I'm seeing. It's the actual Cyberpunk yellow I swear xD

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/Zz4AxZEv424

i dont get these performances

[vagrant marsh]

67 average fps?

[pale sigil]

rn im getting 47fps

[vagrant marsh]

at 4k with performance dlss?

[pale sigil]

1440p

https://mrpl.me/Pc3380b_rf29.jpg

[vagrant marsh]

uhh...

[pale sigil]

no dlss

[vagrant marsh]

well, gotta have dlss

[pale sigil]

with dlss i get 50-60

no difference

[vagrant marsh]

dlss put on performance and not quality?

[ashen spindle]

same patch, same settings, same location?

[pale sigil]

performance makes no different

[vagrant marsh]

yea, there is a central part where fps tanks heavily

right at center city

because there are multiple levels/floors there

when he gets 80 fps, he mostly seems to drive in downtown area's

so...go to downtown 😛

[pale sigil]

im starting to hate my leds

[vagrant marsh]

atm pretty much all tech sites seem to do this. "unable to order"

like what, the oem's told them not to expect them anytime soon? 😛

[ashen spindle]

in stock

[vagrant marsh]

yea but those prices...

they still sell em for below 1000 over here

@ashen spindle say, buddy. that store you check out. does it have that auorus 3080 xtreme in stock?

[ashen spindle]

thats all in the image

but they had like 5 more earlier today that are gone now

[vagrant marsh]

is that alternate germany or something?

[ashen spindle]

oh, yes they just list stuff thats in stock

mindfactory

[vagrant marsh]

lagernd means in stock?

[ashen spindle]

yes

[vagrant marsh]

hmm

i wonder if they deliver to the netherlands

DAAAAMN

30 bucks ups international

😦

no luck

[reef patrol]

[vagrant marsh]

hey quin, buy me a card and send it to me 😛

[ashen spindle]

[vagrant marsh]

dont walk away, ol buddy ol pal!

i will swing ya 5 bucks extras for the effort, whattaya say?

i knew i should have just waited in line lol

well, i just got my salary anyways

k, i bought it and the site seems to have a waiting line indicator. im 8/8. so only 7 people before me. lets hope gigabyte made more than 2 of these things

[pale sigil]

https://mrpl.me/Ne3382b_rfl0.jpg

still getting shit fps

:/

even on ultra perf

on dlss

i mean

[misty pier]

[vagrant marsh]

Maybe his system is ultra overclocked with perfect memory

Such benchmarks arnt always realistic

[misty pier]

my game at bone stock runs 60 on balanced

[reef patrol]

Distro of the Day.

[wheat plume]

:')

[latent mural]

A new distro, worth checking out...

https://garudalinux.org

[zenith sonnet]

@pale sigil
Didn't you have temperature issues?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ki9fb6/psa_do_not_buy_d15_d15s_for_your_30005000_series/

[pale sigil]

Not with DH15

no

Stock cooler

my temps are as cold as my soul now

[crisp granite]

very nice

so somewhere near absolute zero on a D15?

noice

jk

[pale sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/174629551006023681/791109400256577607/IMG_20201219_183112.png

[crisp granite]

something like 70-80 with a good OC at full load?

[pale sigil]

im a lian li fanboy now

no?

[zenith sonnet]

Alright, I misremembered. Sorry

[pale sigil]

50c with 4.7oc under load

sometimes 60c

[crisp granite]

woah

[pale sigil]

depends

[crisp granite]

cool boi

[pale sigil]

on the room

ye and quiet

right now at idle im on 23c

case fans off

radiator fans on low

[zenith sonnet]

Noice

[crisp granite]

23 degrees?

dang

[zenith sonnet]

But 23 degrees?

[crisp granite]

you must be melting with that ambient temp

drop it to at least 20

and put on a sweater if you get cold

[zenith sonnet]

Where do you get that temp from?

[pale sigil]

@zenith sonnet

Hwmonitor
Ryzen Master

[zenith sonnet]

For the CPU?

[pale sigil]

ye

hwinfo too

[zenith sonnet]

What are your CPU and SOC power when idle?

[pale sigil]

not sure

i just look at temps

haha

[pale sigil]

ob

oh

[zenith sonnet]

I'm not going below 35 even with every core parked

[pale sigil]

rn its at 10w

but its quite warm in my room

[zenith sonnet]

I feel like the reporting is off. Or 15 degrees warm for you.

[pale sigil]

rn its 25c in my room

[zenith sonnet]

Yeah, right

[pale sigil]

Average is around 30c

but i can get 20 something

[zenith sonnet]

CPU below ambient ain't possible

[pale sigil]

never said its all the time to be fair

lkol

[zenith sonnet]

Your temp sensor is off quite a bit

[pale sigil]

pbo off

btw

[zenith sonnet]

You physically can't hit below ambient without some form of active cooling or low temperature coolant

[pale sigil]

then was prob a weird ass reading

i dont really look at my temps

but it was right after i put my cooler in

i notice it being more in the 30s

on average

when idle

[zenith sonnet]

Well, that's more like it

Maybe it was a fluke, or cold water in the cooler

[pale sigil]

possibly haha

but still my fans are barely on

like so low i can see the blades

lol

[zenith sonnet]

I'm still waiting for Noctua to start selling the fans I want

[pale sigil]

i got that grizly thermal paste

this time around

apparently that alone makes a 5-10c diifference

[crisp granite]

still waiting for noctua to sell thermal paste IV drips

I'd hook myself in immediately

[zenith sonnet]

Not that much, but 2-5 degrees are possible

[pale sigil]

:/ i want noctua white fans when they release them

they delayed them

[fallow gull]

5-10c for a thermal paste that sounds marketing

[pale sigil]

i mean

i just looked at benchmarks

well

actually

i should be more clear

up to 5c idle

up to 10c under load

gamers nexus did it too but his results were around 1-5

[fallow gull]

Ok It's more coherent

[crisp granite]

clearly didn't apply enough thermal paste

the IHS is supposed to look like a 100 tube bukkake

[pale sigil]

it does seem on average though

bare min its around 5c

difference

between other thermal pastes

and it can be up to 10c on cheaper thermal pasts

Aka anything that isn't Noctua or ATX 4

[fallow gull]

If you put too much paste you loose conduction It should be a rice grain or something like that. Noctua gives paste with cooler/fan don't they ?

[crisp granite]

again

100 tube bukkake

[pale sigil]

@fallow gull they give you good thermal paste yes

also gamersnexus pretty much debunked the whole thermal paste tinfoil stuff

[vagrant marsh]

Use thermal pad, not paste.

[crisp granite]

use peanut butter

not thermal pads or paste

[misty pier]

use toothpaste

[vast moss]

I managed to install the new graphics card and drivers, and enabling FreeSync (144Hz monitor) and "testing" the card (no particular testing or benching method, just playing a game and watching over the framerate as Steam reports it) yields similar results to with the old one except perhaps a little higher framerate but definitely warmer system; can this be attributed to the PSU, or is the game's framerate reporting just wack?

For those who weren't here for my original question about how the PSU could survive the GPU, the old card is a GTX 1070 Ti, the new one an RX 6800, and the PSU is a 550W Bronze.

I was playing Yakuza Kiwami 2 on a 1080p144 monitor with FreeSync enabled (1070 Ti: disabled). I noticed it hovering around 100 FPS often (1070 Ti: 90), but Radeon Software says it averaged 133.1 FPS (1070 Ti: N/A). Also, checking Open Hardware Monitor, I see the GPU maxed out at 81 C at the core and 90 at the hot spot, but it went up to 99% load at some point (1070 Ti: I don't remember for sure, but I doubt it was the same). If needed, I can try to do a more normalized test, probably using FurMark or something of the sort.

[edgy hull]

As stated before, that was proven false. Reason being, you put pressure on the IHS/cooler (CPU) or die/cooler (GPU or direct CPU) and all excess paste gets squeezed out. Therefore, no harm can be done via excess paste unless electrically conductive and covering other parts.

[cursive summit]

https://www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/amd-smart-access-memory-auch-zen-und-zen-2-beherrschen-den-vram-vollzugriff.1990292/page-3#post-25042064

With SAM the result is much better on Zen 2 - Zen+

And motherboard manufacturers seem to be rolling out beta bioses already

So enable SAM if you want 😄

[vast moss]

For whom is that meant?

[vagrant marsh]

Sam?

System access memory?

[cursive summit]

Yep

[halcyon moss]

oh thats being back ported? thats nice

[halcyon moss]

does it also work on the 5700xt? :p

the gpu, not the cpu

[fallow gull]

I've read that indeed ans i agree with. But from a mechanical engineering Ph.D (wich i'm not) too much paste can cause overheating.

"In order to understand why this happens, thermal paste is not a conductive material. Regular thermal paste has a conductivity of ~4–10 W/mK. Your aluminum cooler is around 200 W/mK. The heat pipes in your cooler can easily have an effective conductivity of 4,000 W/mK.

The thermal paste exists only to bridge the gap between your CPU and your cooler. It replaces air trapped in the microscopic (and macroscopic) pockets which exists between the two. Once, all those pockets and spaces are completely filled, excess paste will cause your computer to heat up.

There is something about dielectric constant as well. I wouldn't be so sure about "too much paste doesn't matter".

[reef tundra]

Something something, thermal mass, bad?

[ashen spindle]

excess paste will cause your computer to heat up
maybe under the assumption you put so much paste on there you can't tighten the cooler enough anymore so it cant push the excess paste out, so if you put like an entire bottle on it

[thick elk]

The reason A lot of paste does not matter, is because the viscosity of paste is low enough for the excess to get pushed out under pressure of the cooler.

Therefor the layer of paste will not be much thicker on the contact surface itself

[reef tundra]

Unless the die gets submerged into the thermal paste, and you dont skimp out either. The reallife effects will be minor at best

[fallow gull]

Basically what i understand from what the mechanical guy said, if thermal paste is not conductive enough compared to cooler or pipes, the thicker is the layer of paste in between, the less heat conduction there will be, so CPU gets hotter faster because of lack of conduction. Does this sound stupid ? Sorry for my english guys i'm not fluent

[ashen spindle]

no that's correct

but you apply so much force when you put down a cooler on the cpu, it pushes out any excess paste

[reef tundra]

Which might end up shorting something.. or corroding the board

[ashen spindle]

not really because regular paste isn't electrically conductive

[reef patrol]

Yeah..

Don't use the silver based stuff 😄

[reef tundra]

Depends on the specific formula, but the higher performant silver do

[thick elk]

Either way assuming you stick to at least somewhat reasonable quantities even that won't be too problematic.
As far as I know stuff like Arctic Silver does conduct, just not very much. At the very least a lot less than liquid metal.

[reef tundra]

in the end, dont make a mess and get it everywhere.

[ashen spindle]

unless you have something massive like a D15 in a tiny case you can also just take a look at it afterwards and clean up if you see paste spill out

[reef tundra]

From what i heard from liquid metal it is a nightmare to work with

[halcyon moss]

isnt it also corrosive?

[thick elk]

Liquid metal is fine if you know what you are doing, but yea it can be a pain at times.

[reef tundra]

Yes, it contains gallium with really likes to bond with aluminuim and make it brittle

[thick elk]

it also bonds with copper. but the effects are slower and less severe.

[ashen spindle]

you usually put LM on a delidded die though, not on the IHS between the cooler

[reef tundra]

Same process when mercury binds with other metals to create its amalgam form

[thick elk]

you can though, earlier use of lm was between ihs and cooler. Although generally the surface area is large enough for that to have a limited use.

[reef tundra]

Really, hard to seperate them again afterwards..

[vagrant marsh]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/this-kfc-gaming-console-is-real-after-all-and-keeps-your-chicken-warm/

Kentucky fried console

[vast moss]

Weird but cool

[cursive summit]

I severely doubt their claims

"4K 240FPS"

Like what

[vast moss]

Also, I did some more formal testing of the GPUs doing roughly the same tasks (I tried to make it the same, but things were slightly different between runs) and I can share my results if there is interest

[vagrant marsh]

Yea those wont happen

Its just a 2060

[vast moss]

Oh geez, those are some insane claims

[vagrant marsh]

Its basically just a small pc

Not even a console

[reef patrol]

Yep.

[vagrant marsh]

More similar to a steam machine

[cursive summit]

First of

I doubt it will do 4K 60FPS well

[vagrant marsh]

It wont...

[cursive summit]

I doubt it will do 240FPS at 720p

Sorry but those are ridiculous claims

[vagrant marsh]

Its a 9980H with 2060

[cursive summit]

Not even an RTX 3090 can 4K 240Hz

[vagrant marsh]

Maybe doom eternal low :p

Well, im now 6th in line for my 3080

Was 8th in linne when i started yesterday

So if i move 2 spots every day i still get my 3080 this year

If only lady luck would grand me that, but that would be pushing it

[cursive summit]

Not going to get it this year

[vagrant marsh]

Probably

[cursive summit]

You basically are going to have 4 days of shipping

Assuming your queue ends by then

I kinda have my doubts

[vagrant marsh]

In the netherlands its 1 day shipping :p

[grim juniper]

if i am from EU (Romania) it comes in 4 days or?

[reef tundra]

In most countries the postal services are being heavily overlevereged and most likely will deliver days, if not weeks later than normally.

[grim juniper]

how can i check if is comming in 4 days ? or 3 cuz i want to have this keyboard till Xmas

[cursive summit]

You can't

Also you won't

Today is the last day of shipment

Most shipping companies close for holidays

Best case scenario is you get it before New Years

You should have a tracking code Woot sent you, it'll tell you where the package is

But unless you ordered it last week and it's already in your country, 0% chance of getting it this week

[pale sigil]

can people help me figure out my issues

[cursive summit]

What's up Cal

[pale sigil]

my 3080 is underperforming

[cursive summit]

How so

[pale sigil]

every benchmark i see is like 15-30fps

in a lot of games

my gpu benchmarks are low too

[reef tundra]

Would be a shame if the PCIe connector was damaged..

[halcyon moss]

have you plugged in the hdmi cable into the gpu instead of motherboard? :p

[pale sigil]

i swear to god lad

[old marlin]

temps are ok?

[cursive summit]

Running off an iGPU?

[old marlin]

can you get it to ramp up clocks in any scenario?

[reef tundra]

Are the temps insane when fully loaded?

[pale sigil]

temps are fine

[halcyon moss]

are there tools to see if its thermal throttling?

or power limited?

[cursive summit]

You on the new Ryzen right?

[pale sigil]

how can i tell

[reef patrol]

Turn on afterburner.

[pale sigil]

i have afterburner on

[reef tundra]

downloaded the latest nvidia driver?

[pale sigil]

yes

and used ddu

[pale sigil]

5600x

[halcyon moss]

how do you know you are underperforming?

[cursive summit]

Dunno he did buy an 800 dollar card right

[reef patrol]

CPU too hot maybe? You're using that stock cooler yes?

[pale sigil]

No mansen

most of the games im playing the same specs are getting a lot more than me

[old marlin]

tried throwing some stuff like furmark etc at it?

[cursive summit]

Hm, maybe yeah you are underfeeding the card

PSU decent?

[reef tundra]

Does it heat up when full under load?

[pale sigil]

i literally cannot play cp77 for example, my 3dmark score is lower than normal, other games are similar.

PSU is decent but 750w

5600x is around 55c under load

[old marlin]

do you use a split pcie power cable?

[reef patrol]

Honestly all I can think of as a cause is temps or something actually broken.

[halcyon moss]

looks at 550w

[cursive summit]

My guess is the GPU is being underfed

Not enough power

[pale sigil]

You mean split 8 pin cable?

[old marlin]

ye

[pale sigil]

No, 3x8 pin direct from the PSU

my PSU has 4 of em

[reef tundra]

PSU can deliver more current than it says on the lid, but then it can also shutdown

[cursive summit]

They inserted well enough?

Maybe your OS is booted off of an USB stick?

[halcyon moss]

tried a different combination?

[ashen spindle]

is your ram running at xmp?

[pale sigil]

my ram is running at 3600mhz that i set

int he bios

[reef tundra]

would not matter.. as live OSes are loaded into system memory

[reef patrol]

Aside from your 3080, you have a basically identical setup to mine.

So... can't explain it.

[old marlin]

[pale sigil]

Haha

[reef tundra]

The gpu is reporting on the PCIe bus?

[pale sigil]

Not running off a USB

[pale sigil]

Wdym

[halcyon moss]

of p[ower connectors

[old marlin]

maybe your card has a switch and you currently have it on some weird silence VBIOS?

[cursive summit]

Oh yeah what about the Windows power profile or whatever they call it

[old marlin]

power plan should not impact GPU performance a lot

[ashen spindle]

run something like AIDA to make sure your ram speeds are fine, make sure cpu runs fine on its own etc.

[pale sigil]

Msi gaming trio

3080

[reef tundra]

in linux command 'lspci' lists all the components that interface with the PCIe bus(cpu, gpu, memory, encryption, coprocessores, internetcards etc)

[ashen spindle]

and keep the power plan to balanced especially on AMD

[pale sigil]

X

[old marlin]

try running furmark

and look what clocks you get

[pale sigil]

Balanced?

O.o

[ashen spindle]

yes, dont change the powerplan

[reef patrol]

Default is called Better Performance.

[ashen spindle]

the default is how ryzen boosting works best "high performance" does nothing except causing higher idle power draw really

[pale sigil]

i dont have any power plans

[cursive summit]

I only have two

[pale sigil]

other than default

[ashen spindle]

yeah keep it like that

[reef patrol]

You do. But you haven't touched them.

[reef tundra]

could be unapplicable here but sometimes it defaults to running it on the integrated graphics instead of the dedicated graphics processor. It could be bruteforcing the gpu instructions with the cpu to save power or something. My laptop does this

[ashen spindle]

.. there is no integrated gpu

[pale sigil]

ugh

What quin said

xD

only laptops do that

hahaha

[old marlin]

desktops can do it too, provided your CPU has an iGPU

which yours does not have

[pale sigil]

no

The igpu wont work

[cursive summit]

His Ryzen has none luckily

[pale sigil]

if there is a pci

[old marlin]

doesn;t matter anyways

[reef patrol]

Very rarely, yes.

However - CB wouldn't even boot if it was using iGPU 😄

[old marlin]

^

[pale sigil]

any other benchmark software

for gpus

i can use

[reef patrol]

All I can suggest.

DDU the driver. Install a slightly older one. Couple of versions older.

Reinstall the latest chipset drivers straight from AMD.

[pale sigil]

that doesn;t cost a kidney to buy

[reef patrol]

3DMark has free benchmarks.

[old marlin]

furmark

[pale sigil]

Reinstall the latest chipset drivers straight from AMD.

Done

DDU the driver. Install a slightly older one. Couple of versions older.

Domne

but i can try again

[old marlin]

would check clocks and temps in furmark

[ashen spindle]

cpu-z has a built in cpu test

[reef patrol]

Oh - You could always trade your 3080 for a PS5.

[ashen spindle]

[reef tundra]

Is the PCIe connector connected to the northbridge(host bridge)(direct access to the CPU) and not the Southbridge(provided by the chipset).

[zenith sonnet]

Which performs poorly, CPU or GPU?

[ashen spindle]

pretty sure he put his in the first pcie slot but that shouldn't matter anyway

[pale sigil]

yes

[old marlin]

[pale sigil]

wait

[old marlin]

it could in this case

[pale sigil]

when you said first

top or bottom

[ashen spindle]

.. really?

[pale sigil]

hey

[old marlin]

should sit in the topmost one it fits in

[pale sigil]

dont be a nob

cos afaik

top one is the one you use

not the bottom

[ashen spindle]

what is closer to the cpu, what would make more sense

yes

[pale sigil]

exactly

So like

why do you sound like i did something wrong

[old marlin]

3080 could get bottlenecked by pcie gen 3 x8

[pale sigil]

lol

im on gen 4

lad

[old marlin]

but top slot is a full electrical one

[cursive summit]

pcie gen 4 actually 😄

[ashen spindle]

I said you put it in the right spot, EVEN IF NOT, it wouldnt matter

[reef tundra]

Did i do a big think. right now?

[pale sigil]

oh

sorry

[old marlin]

unsure if the 3080 has gen 4 support even

[pale sigil]

also

aint ugh

[cursive summit]

It doesn't?

[pale sigil]

furmark

risky af

[ashen spindle]

it does, but no need for it

[zenith sonnet]

inb4 his card is connected to only one 12V rail

[old marlin]

furmark is not risky

[ashen spindle]

why not do a cpu test first, I assume cpu z is installed?

[pale sigil]

ohhhhhhhhhh

[zenith sonnet]

Lol no, Nvidia cards are power gated anyway

[reef tundra]

Baptising it before benchmarking is risky though

[halcyon moss]

the fuck is thaaat?

[old marlin]

clock is a bit low

[pale sigil]

ye

[halcyon moss]

is that after burner? omg

[pale sigil]

it is

[old marlin]

also uggo afterburner

[zenith sonnet]

Worst skin

[pale sigil]

whatg do you guys use

these dyas

oh

lol

[old marlin]

is it on 100% used

the green one

[pale sigil]

97%

[old marlin]

wack

[pale sigil]

sec

[ashen spindle]

do this one first, faster do check if cpu is fine

[old marlin]

could be PSU messing around

but would check other stuff first

[reef tundra]

Would be worth it to check whether or not the PSU rails are delivering the voltage that it is supposed to give

[zenith sonnet]

@pale sigil Did you make sure your card is connected to more than one 12V rail?

[pale sigil]

i did say the psu

but Quin was like NEVA!

[pale sigil]

dont even know what ya mean lad

[zenith sonnet]

Then go check

[halcyon moss]

suggested it already

[reef tundra]

Just give it 24v by giving it the -12v and 12v! 10/10 would not recommend

[ashen spindle]

no I'm saying test one thing at a time so we can get results, if you test with variables you cant come to a conclusion

[old marlin]

what PSU do you have btw

and how old is it

[pale sigil]

doing the cpu

[ashen spindle]

uhh yeah taht seems low

[reef tundra]

Got a multimeter on hand?

[pale sigil]

EVGA SuperNOVA G1+ 750

[zenith sonnet]

That's a terible score

[pale sigil]

this is no pbo

if that makes a difference

[ashen spindle]

should be above 600 even for 5600 pretty sure

[zenith sonnet]

I run no PBO and get 680

[pale sigil]

😦

[zenith sonnet]

He should get over 650

[pale sigil]

i did say this on the cinebench one too

but Quin again

was being Quin

[ashen spindle]

and what did I say?

[zenith sonnet]

R23 should be 1550-1600

single core

[reef tundra]

That is quite out of spec

like it struggling to keep itself alive levels

[halcyon moss]

did you properly connect the power plug to the motherboard? :p

[zenith sonnet]

Show power draw when running single threaded benchmarks

[ashen spindle]

can you double check the ram speeds with task manager or something?

[zenith sonnet]

Lol, think he forgot the CPU 8pin?

[old marlin]

with just 4 pin it should be much worse

[pale sigil]

im using more than 8 pin

atm

[old marlin]

check connection on those maybe? they sometimes don't seat right

[zenith sonnet]

Please take a picture

[pale sigil]

8 pin + 4 pin

[reef tundra]

Measure the powerrails(12,5,3.3,whatever) to check whether the PSU is even delivering suffient voltage. Could become lower due to powerdraw or dysfunctional regulation.

[pale sigil]

how do i check the power rails

lol

[reef tundra]

With an multimeter

[pale sigil]

i dont have one

😦

[reef tundra]

rip

[ashen spindle]

I really doubt the extra power connections matter when all it needs is like 30 watt total for 1 core workloads

[pale sigil]

i can messure my overall watt

consumption

and i was getting up to 720w

the other day

but Quin AGAIN

[old marlin]

[pale sigil]

said it was nothing

[old marlin]

uhhhhhhh

[pale sigil]

and that it wasn't real

or some shit

[old marlin]

if your PSU is older

[zenith sonnet]

Mine's more like 70W, but you never know how the board is wired

[reef tundra]

Does it have rgb?

[ashen spindle]

yes because you measure PSU consumption not what your pc asks from the PSU

[old marlin]

it might not deliver enough anymore

[pale sigil]

how can 750w

not be enough tho

and yes

i have rgb

but its all disabled

[halcyon moss]

well.. turn the rgb to red fo more performance.. duuh

[reef tundra]

alright, as rgb is pretty power intensive sometimes

[pale sigil]

ill try mess around

with the cpu power cables

[reef tundra]

Does the mobo have an extra power connector need? So the large standard one and more

[zenith sonnet]

What's your PSU model?

[pale sigil]

i sent it before

EVGA SuperNOVA G1+ 750

[zenith sonnet]

Ok, it only has one 12V rail

[pale sigil]

meaning

im fucked

?

[ashen spindle]

iirc you can draw like 150W from the 24 pin, you have extra power connected and I doubt you had the gpu at full load during the cpu test

so please someone tell me why we are looking at the psu

[pale sigil]

the gpu was quite low

at 100%

clock speed

1666 vs 1800+

[zenith sonnet]

We can easily rule that out
Callum, show power draw figures during benchmark (1T and nT)

[ashen spindle]

who cares about the gpu, no point in touching that until we can make sure your cpu is not the reason it gets limited

and so far the cpu seems to underperform quite a bit

[reef tundra]

Is the memory in the motherboard preferred location?

[ashen spindle]

your cpu should need like 30W for any single threaded test

[pale sigil]

yes its in the preffered location

ill double chec

and the manual doesn't even state it

[ashen spindle]

so the next logical step would be to make sure your ram is at the correct speeds, that your cpu isn't asking for just 20W or so during the run

[zenith sonnet]

I'm drawing 67W in R23 1T

[ashen spindle]

what board?

[reef tundra]

Turn that R A M into a Sanic

[zenith sonnet]

Peaks at 75W

[reef tundra]

That is the PCIe maximum powerdraw from the connector when configured for high power devices

[pale sigil]

ROG_STRIX_B550-F

[ashen spindle]

so 2 and 4 from left to right

[reef tundra]

So closest to the cpu in groups of 2

[pale sigil]

yup

how i did it

brb a sec

[reef tundra]

So, at least that is now not a concideration,,

[ashen spindle]

open hwinfo and ryzen master, keep and eye on power draw and boost frequencies (and I guess take a look at ram timings too) and run cpu-z test again

[ashen spindle]

that does tell you pretty much nothing, yes

[pale sigil]

was just putting it ut there

xD

Ugh I hate unplugging all me cables

[ashen spindle]

what are you doing?

[reef tundra]

That is about 85% of the rated power draw. Which should be good. Note that the PSU's powerlosses are counted towards the bill but not its powerdelivery

What if the BIOS is bonked?

[ashen spindle]

why not look into easy steps first instead of going through the most complicated things first

[cursive summit]

Reverse psychology

[zenith sonnet]

This would be easy

[cursive summit]

Outthink your enemy

[zenith sonnet]

@pale sigil DO IT ALREADY

[reef tundra]

But thinking makes my head hurt. Just like 5G does

[pale sigil]

Anddddd me system ain't working again

[ashen spindle]

what are you doing

[reef tundra]

That might be an issue..

Also one of those issues you can ignore away

[pale sigil]

OK it's working

[halcyon moss]

what did you do to get it working

because that might be important

[reef tundra]

Sacrifice some first born

[pale sigil]

Switched the memory

[halcyon moss]

not my son

[pale sigil]

That's what I was doing

Why the fuck does 3600mhz corsair ram by default run at 2666mhz

[ashen spindle]

because anything above jedec is overclocking

[reef tundra]

Because marketing and engineering had a disagreement

[ashen spindle]

and most jedec sticks are made at 2666 or lower even

[pale sigil]

So basically

I paid for 2666 sticks

[ashen spindle]

yes, that is how it always works

[pale sigil]

That are capable of 3600

Scam

[halcyon moss]

confusing more like it

[ashen spindle]

it's the same when you buy 5000 sticks

[reef tundra]

That is how they get ya, the fine print

[pale sigil]

Also I don't see xmp

[ashen spindle]

should be called DOCP or something

[cursive summit]

So DDR5-4800 mem sticks will also run at DDR4 speed but just be OCd?

[ashen spindle]

????? what

[cursive summit]

Don't respond to a question with a question

[pale sigil]

Andddddd

[reef tundra]

DDR is not designed to be backwards or fowards compatible?

[pale sigil]

Now I'm in a boot loop

[ashen spindle]

so, did you just put ram into the same slots or did you move them

[reef tundra]

What is the error code, if it even tells you it

[pale sigil]

Nvm it's working again :PES_SadShrug:

They are in the slots you sent me

[ashen spindle]

were they not before?

[pale sigil]

I cannot confirm or deny that

My mobo just won't boot

[reef tundra]

Ah, a politician we have here. Guv'nor

[pale sigil]

With thst mode enabled

[ashen spindle]

is the memory on the QVL list for the board?

[pale sigil]

Docp

Not sure

It said ryzen optimised

[ashen spindle]

yeah that means absolutely nothing

[reef tundra]

Consumer saw, consumer took. But the company laughed themselves to the bank

[pale sigil]

Oh ffs

My system just won't boot

Regardless of mode

[reef tundra]

One ram stick time

[pale sigil]

Ye

[ashen spindle]

is it on the latest bios? are the stick correctly seated?

[pale sigil]

I'll let it take me to post error first

Latest one yes

[reef tundra]

Also dont hotswap the memorysticks. It might end them with an peak voltage spike

[pale sigil]

The rams leds won't turn on too

Wait nvm

It's booted

I thought rgb settings weren't stored

On corsair ram

[ashen spindle]

[pale sigil]

Rifjt

Rifjt

Right

I resat them

I think they were lose

Fucking hate how asus have their ram slots

One side isn't a clip in

Gonna shut it down and turn thst mode on

[reef tundra]

probably some onboard eeprom or flash to store configuration settings/stats with and they might have also just make it work doubletime for the rbg

[old marlin]

worst one is msi

they have those single clip ones as well

but the clip is on the bottom

[reef tundra]

:peeposad:

[ashen spindle]

would’ve made sense to run cpuz real fast so you can compare

[old marlin]

also PC can take longer to boot if you change ram stuff

since it might to ram testing

[pale sigil]

Ye

In a boot loop again

With that docp thing

[reef tundra]

Maybe some technical percusive taps on the board to make the darn tv work again

[zenith sonnet]

Reminds me.. since setting IF to 1900, my PC turns on, clicks off, then turns on again and boots

Weird, but it doesn't seem to cause issues

[pale sigil]

Pissing me off now haha

I think this ram is fucked

[reef tundra]

if you hit it with an 12 gauge you can have the garentue that it will be at fault why it doesnt work

[zenith sonnet]

HCI to 100% per thread

Should give you an indication

[pale sigil]

Omfg

Quin

I hate you

[ashen spindle]

[reef tundra]

Maybe you can convince the mobo with a line of coke?

I know revolutionary ideas, with big bussiness thinking. Lets introduse agile to every company and force them to use it?

[pale sigil]

That picture

I swear to god

I had mh ram in correctly

But thst picture proper confused me due to the way it's shown

And I now have tnem in the wrong slots

[ashen spindle]

I even wrote out how they should be in so you literally can't blame me for that

[reef tundra]

That would explain the bios hanging out the missing posters for its best friend RAM

[pale sigil]

Haha

I didn't see thst

😂

Ffs

[ashen spindle]

[pale sigil]

Anyway I changed it back

Enabled docp

Os has booted

[reef tundra]

Did you turn the computer on and the monitor aswell?

[pale sigil]

Ayyup

My score has gone up

A lot

still lower than normal

but this is on default

now

[reef tundra]

The CCP would be proud of you. Having such a high social credit score.

[pale sigil]

bitch

[reef tundra]

Female dog

[ashen spindle]

bUT mY RaM wAs aT 3600

[pale sigil]

something something impossible to have pre 30c

something

[ashen spindle]

why would sub 30 be impossible

what

[pale sigil]

idk

[ashen spindle]

are you living in the desert or what

[reef tundra]

Try to dip it into some liquid gas, it would easily reach that

[pale sigil]

Someone said i was bullshitting

[reef tundra]

Will likely shatter the die from thermal shock

[ashen spindle]

think it should be like 630, but might be lose ram timings that are causing the difference

[zenith sonnet]

Yesterday you were claiming having 23 degrees idle temp

[pale sigil]

still a big difference

[ashen spindle]

can test on mine in an hour or so

[zenith sonnet]

In a 25 degrees room

[zenith sonnet]

What are your RAM settings?

[reef tundra]

My idle temp is 41C in a 26.5 room. Nice cool air

[zenith sonnet]

Show CPUz RAM tab

[ashen spindle]

guess you could at least try firestrike again and compare how it changed

[zenith sonnet]

33 degrees idle in a 21 degrees room on a custom water loop

[pale sigil]

why is it still lower

than normal

[reef tundra]

That is very neat.

[ashen spindle]

who cares, is it above what you had before or not

[pale sigil]

i do

[zenith sonnet]

RAM TIMINGS??

[ashen spindle]

no you don't, problem solving is one step at a time not 10 at a time

[pale sigil]

3600

Ok

What do you ant me to do now

boss

[reef tundra]

The thermal temperature will handle itself. On full blast will my chip settle on 85 or something

[ashen spindle]

just tell me if it's higher than the previous run you did

[zenith sonnet]

Timings? IF?