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#🔌│tech
wheat plume
misty pier
damn thats old
cursive summit
Walmart bridge is falling down..
Falling down..
Falling down..
Walmart bridge is falling down..
Falling down..
My fair lady..
wheat plume
"it's like getting marijuana with all the thc out of it. You're literally smoking grass. I'm not making a pitstop for grass weed."
steep stirrup
Does the Wooting two HE - Full-size analog keyboard have the same features as the Wooting 2 Lekker edition just with black keycaps?
ashen spindle
pretty much, yeah
misty pier
catgirls make fps go higher
pale sigil
misty pier
ok that isn't too bad
misty pier
this reminds me of the evga rtx cards
ashen spindle
https://videocardz.com/newz/zotac-unveils-geforce-rtx-3080-trinity-and-rtx-3070-twin-edge-limited-white-editions here you want this instead
cursive summit
Looks meh
I want the enchantment heart princess
@wheat plume
3060Ti also got an Enchantment Heart Princess makeover
Now that is a cute card
crisp granite
still waiting for RTX 3090 Sakura
pale sigil
Fire strike just does not want to work for me lol
Meh noticed I launched the wrong one too
I give up
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
that seems weak on gpu side
sure I did the 15% power slider thing, but its still just a 6800 vs a 3080
ashen spindle
does it look like the cpu is ooverheating in the first two tests? that seems very unlikely
ashen spindle
thats not overheating 
ashen spindle
so clearly 80c is not overheating then??
pale sigil
reef patrol
Hot Peecee
cursive summit
Toyota'll release a technology demonstrator/prototype EV car that charges in 10 mins next year
restive gate
Wtf are you buying that you get fees like that
pale sigil
@restive gate selling
reef patrol
Gotta charge someone, something if you're offering scam protection.
wheat plume
how addEdge()?
zenith sonnet
Didn't even know I had this
wheat plume
wat dat?
vagrant marsh
Oh right. I got to sell my 3600 now
Çurrent cpu prices are through the roof. I think a 3600 goes for 230 euro now
Wow. Lowest store price is 250.
I only paid 175 for it. I can vet 75 bucks out of it
ashen spindle
... you seriously think you can get store prices for a used part?
vagrant marsh
Im gonna sell mine for 250. Every other ad i see for a 3600 wants to sell em for 260. I would like to think so, yea.
ashen spindle
Ad = ad from a retailer or a used part?
vagrant marsh
Used part from the local...how do you call such a site? Ebay like.
Site you sell used stuff at :p i looked at other ads before hand. Everyone sells em for 260
ashen spindle
are they actually selling them though
like these are prices for new parts
or are you looking at XT listings lol
vagrant marsh
Those are store prices
And theres from the used parts website
Dunno bout germany. You could buy a bunch and sell em for a profith in the netherlands
ashen spindle
yeah... you seem to forget about shipping, fees, demand
vagrant marsh
Meh, im in no rush. If it doesnt sell after a week i can always lower the price.
wheat plume
how do I do Breadth First Traversal in Java?
ashen spindle
wheat plume
nothing I found was implemented the way the lecturer has :/
ashen spindle
if it's already implemented, what's the issue ten?
wheat plume
I mean she has a matrix and the method takes in an int
ashen spindle
so you need to search that matrix with BFS or?
https://www.programiz.com/dsa/graph-bfs this should make it easy to understand if you dont know how it works
wheat plume
idk how to iterate through matrix .-. got to look that up
ashen spindle
... a for-loop?
wheat plume
no, in this code, there is boolean visited[] = new boolean[V];
but the rest of the method has no V variable
I declared one at the top of the method but it seems it has a value before it gets to BFS
ashen spindle
then look for declaration and references of it?
wheat plume
need to loop through this but matrix is a 2d double array
wheat plume
for (double[] rows : array) { // then for that row, print each value. for (double v : rows) { System.out.print(v + " "); } // print new line after each row System.out.println(); }
idk how to make it work with the rest of the code
ashen spindle
well, take that and replace it with the matrix and instead of printing do the BFS?
wheat plume
ashen spindle
uhh, that is a DFS and BFS yes?
wheat plume
just DFS for now
pale sigil
So like.... rtx voice can remove my music, my fan, my chair, me knocking but it cant remove me farting --_--
misty pier
its organic
pale sigil
correct
misty pier
🧋
plush summit
restive gate
They are super unstable
hard thicket
i'd say it depends on the usecase
fickle ore
woot 5800x coming tomorrow :>
vagrant marsh
Does not work for all systems. Game can only utilize so many cores. Should mostly benefit cpu's that have low core but multi threading
So 4/8 cpu's should see the most Benefit.
But if you have 6+cores natively, you wont see much improvement by altering it
reef patrol
Easy to test 😛
reef patrol
It can always run better 😄
According to that post I can multiply the CPU pool by ten times.
wheat plume
Is google down? Can't connect to youtube or Gmail or the maps
crimson wigeon
Yes, good riddance
zenith sonnet
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/kcupmv/2x_fps_improvement_you_can_edit_con...
I'll check that out in a jiffy
zenith sonnet
Is google down? Can't connect to youtube or Gmail or the maps
I'm having issues with Discord
wheat plume
Same
zenith sonnet
Some benchmarks of the fix
I'm also surprised that the 5950X enjoys such a large performance lead
fickle ore
misses 5800x that would take the lead 😄
crisp granite
what is this fix?
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore doubt it would be enough to beat the 5950X
crisp granite
that 3600XT improvement looks good
ashen spindle
well they basically confirmed the game is actually released in february 
so till then expect lots of fixes
crisp granite
noice
zenith sonnet
<@!269806796779028480> doubt it would be enough to beat the 5950X
5950X with CCX2 disabled shows similar gains as the 5600X
crisp granite
well they basically confirmed the game is actually released in february <:gloryS...
at least I get my fix now as opposed to later
pale sigil
well they basically confirmed the game is actually released in february <:gloryS...
Huh
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
so basically they say they need 2 months for fixing the issues, I can guarantee you if we were in a july right now, that would've caused 2 months delay
zenith sonnet
Is there a mod yet to revert them fucking up the braindance effect?
zenith sonnet
In Patch 1.04 they changed it, now it looks like you're looking into a flashlight
pale sigil
Guess I won’t be playing till feb
crisp granite
woah
zenith sonnet
The new effect is just garbage
ashen spindle
so technically the lekker still can be out before the actual cyberpunk "release" 
zenith sonnet
All because some photosensitive people hellbent on staring into going blocks of light(duh) can't stop complaining, and CDPR is too lazy to make a toggle for it
young pecan
Sell it to an idiot.
young pecan
shrugs
You'd need to be suicidal to actually trust Activision.
Maybe 10 years ago Activision, but not now.
pale sigil
Never said I trust them but Cold War has no micro transactions that I care for and zombies content js now free which I care most about
When I say free I mean not needing a dlc pass
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore CPU test here (without fix)
Looks like the 5950X is some 12% or so faster than the 5800X. The fix can reduce the gap to 5-7% roughly.
young pecan
Well, you're not as cynical as I am, that's for sure.
ashen spindle
yeah it's free because it's shit now
young pecan
I stopped playing when BO3 got MTX shoved into it and ripped apart for sales.
Ever since then it's been a disgrace.
misty pier
might as well enjoy what’s free 🤷♀️
plus you get to use your magical rtx while you play
ashen spindle
just sad bc zombies got me interrested in CoD and I was thinking of maybe getting this one, waited a bit, turns out the EE/story was complete garbage, literally the only part I had interest in lmao
young pecan
Zombies gets pretty damned boring after a while, tbh. It's the EEs that keep you going once you master running in a circle and not getting stuck on poorly placed hitboxes.
I remember doing Buried EE for the first time, so good.
ashen spindle
I heard they lead story guy left which would explain why this one was pretty shit and it doesnt make me be invested in it really
young pecan
Also Origins, that EE is actually top tier.
Nobody is ever convincing me that the Lightning Staff isn't by far the best one.
pale sigil
I’m really enjoying zombies this time around
I don’t think zombies could ever returned to the level it was story wise
There’s only so much you could do
But the current zombies is in the same universe
young pecan
Even gameplay the newer stuff is just crap compared to the best days.
pale sigil
Cold War gives me black ops 1/2 vibes
young pecan
I suppose part of what makes me hate newer cod games is Activision's recent history. It leaves a bad taste.
Plus getting ads thrown at you all the time gets tiring.
young pecan
I want BO1 to get an actual remaster. Full scale reworking of the graphics and an engine update. Same game, make it run better.
young pecan
Y'know what?
No, fuck it.
Just...
Make a dedicated Zombies game, stick the good part of CoD there.
New engine, update all the maps.
pale sigil
It won’t ever happen
young pecan
No, it won't.
pale sigil
But also I liked black ops 1 for mp
Technically Cold War is a dedicated zombies game
Because you can download only zombies and nothing else lol
young pecan
Doesn't Cold War have crossplay and exp boosts for playstation players?
misty pier
there’s crossplay
young pecan
Idk man. Actual competitive advantage that you can buy, that's pretty fucked.
misty pier
not fun to play against them since they all have aim assist
since it’s all console nerds anyways
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet That is without the SMT fix, where game just runs on the physical cores right?
I doubt it scales from 16T+
zenith sonnet
It does not
fickle ore
I'm thinking with OC'd ram and SMT fix 5800x beats all ;P
zenith sonnet
I think it will always be 5% behind the 5950X, all else equal
fickle ore
Why?
fickle ore
Idk many games show 5800x leading 5950x in cpu bound benches, would totally depend on far how the engine scales. Death Stranding yeah 5900x/5950x beats it
also if they use the extra L3
5800x clocks a bit higher overall if the game only scales to 16T
and slightly less memory latency
pale sigil
not fun to play against them since they all have aim assist
Opposite, my best games are against consoles 
crisp granite
yeah
I can confidently say my aim is better and my reactions are faster one month in using a mouse and keyboard compared to over 5 years with an xbox controller
ashen spindle
guess im still underestimating peoples stupidity
vagrant marsh
I know
vagrant marsh
I did include transport fees though. Only 8 bucks. So at the end, i sold it for 242. Still 67 euro profith
fickle ore
@ashen spindle frequent feeling here
crisp granite
I bought my 3600XT a month ago for less than a 3600 sells for here rn
ashen spindle
can literally get it with full warranty and brand new for 190 from stores here
vagrant marsh
Mine got warrenty tho
ashen spindle
not full 2 years anymore
crisp granite
and a 5600X only costs like $20-70 more than a 3600 here
fickle ore
@ashen spindle sometimes hard to invest properly because you overestimate people
vagrant marsh
Course not
ashen spindle
investing in anything is hard because it never makes sense
fickle ore
😄
pale sigil
well
not really corona that did that
at least its a small part of it
well i guess in terms of more demand
vagrant marsh
Also, me pc stopped spinning its fans loudly when starting the pc
So iguess the RMA 3600 i received also still had its own faults. Well, not my problem anymore
pale sigil
someone is basically saying im over valueing my 1070ti and 7700k
both im setting around 200 quid
reef patrol
We have one very simple to follow rule in the group I manage.
If you want to bid, bid. Argue your case.
If you just want to comment on how overpriced something is, you can fuck off and leave the group. If you do it anyway, We'll help you leave.
reef patrol
Mhmm
vagrant marsh
rgbfusion of gigabyte (my motherboard) doesnt recognize my rgb memory no longer
reef patrol
At least yours starts.
The scrap PC I built yesterday won't start up Fusion at all 😄
vagrant marsh
i wonder if g.skill has their own rgb program
reef patrol
They do. It's one of the best out there - But only touches RAM.
And by best I mean stable and something you can count on working.
The effects are pretty limited.
vagrant marsh
i dun care for effects
I just wanna see something else than rainbow :p
aww yea mate
Nvidia green surrounded by amd red
🤣
rgb color code 255-0-8
reef patrol
😄
vagrant marsh
still. im more inclined to buy a 3080 because of raytracing. amd can deny it, but its still the future. more and more games are incorperating it, whether amd likes it or not, and they fell behind.
for non raytracing application, ofcourse the 6800xt and 6900xt are more bang for buck, but you still miss out on some nice features. raytracing. dlss. they might seem like gimmicks, but htey are gimmicks that work.
ashen spindle
if you value the 3ish games that somewhat decently implement RTX, sure 
vagrant marsh
ashen spindle
but with next gen gpus next year I'm 100% certain you once again need to upgrade to use it in newer titles
misty pier
does anyone here use amf for video encoding
vagrant marsh
im not technological knowledgeable enough to know if you are sarcastic or not
ashen spindle
not sarcasm
ashen spindle
does anyone here use amf for video encoding
do you mean live recording/streaming or what scenario exactly?
misty pier
yeah recording and streaming
ashen spindle
only used it to test the instant reply thing, whatever their name for that is, seemed to be fine, streaming I havent tried yet
misty pier
just curious how well it runs for streaming
ashen spindle
havent seen a recent video on how well AMF works on rdna2 so not too sure
pale sigil
i got offered to test another webcam for free
last one i was pretty harsh with the review
so im really surprised
lol
fickle ore
@ashen spindle with godspeed 5800x arrives tomorrow but we'll see
ashen spindle
nice
ashen spindle
as I said before, I turned on SAM, xmp and wont touch cpu/memory before january or maybe february
too lazy to restest afterwards if new bios helped out
so just do it once then
fickle ore
that feels wrong on so many levels
pale sigil
playhaha
i really want surround sound....
its so nice.... im using my normal speakers/subwoofer on heavy bass film tests
me room be shakin
old marlin
my brother is making good use of his CPU 
crimson wigeon
Your brother needs to use that CPU power to activate Windows too
old marlin
well
he just swapped
and didn't bother reactivating
since it deactivated itself after swapping mobo and CPU
old marlin
lot's of moving data around
reading in tons of files etc
having a lot of ram and CPU power can help there
vagrant marsh
@ashen spindle i dunno. so far, bios seems stable to me. could clock my cpu right without any issues.
thick elk
64gb for a more productivity oriented system especially feeding a lot of cores is not that much imo
misty pier
windows defender, the best cpu stress test ever
reef patrol
ashen spindle
well monitor was in stock for actual msrp, so I snagged it, might arrive after christmas though lol
pale sigil
“Dead by daylight is on phone so surely you can play it on a normal laptop” -sister
ashen spindle
well, the phone game is a different game lol
young pecan
That kinda hurts me, I'll be honest.
pale sigil
Idk why I bother
pale sigil
I hate her though
umbral knot
that's pretty hot
umbral knot
whatever the biggest size is
crisp granite
they make 420mm and 480mm rads now
misty pier
haha 420
hard thicket
there are way bigger rads
like the 560 monsta rads from alphacool
could murder someone with it
607x144x80mm
there are some long bois aswell from aquacomputer with 5x 120 or something
nvm its this
umbral knot
steal a radiator from a car and slap a FAT fan on it
crisp granite
nvm its this
uh
hard thicket
air can move quite easily through
crisp granite
custom case time!!!!!!!!
hard thicket
840mm long
edgy hull
I mean, you already have things like the Mora420 and such
misty pier
:|
hard thicket
insane that thing
misty pier
if I lived in the arctic I would use that lmao
hard thicket
a friend of mine has one, and placed it outside
with long tubes
in winter he's running sub ambient
hard thicket
quite lovely actually, no noise whatsoever
crisp granite
just for lels
hard thicket
it aint even expensive
misty pier
way too warm here to have something like that
crisp granite
I'll just leave it outside
hard thicket
160 bucks
crisp granite
subzero, here I come!!!!!!!!!!
hard thicket
cheaper than 3 360 rads
crisp granite
oh fuck
misty pier
is that an external ac unit
hard thicket
yeah...
misty pier
over here we have a fridge-sized box that does our cooling
its very big
but I don't think I want to hook my pc up to it
crisp granite
ooooo
or I could just put my whole PC in the freezer...
hm
exotic cooling must be quite fun
and hard
misty pier
my pc doesnt get that hot where i need to consider putting it someplace else
umbral knot
just submerge your pc in liquid nitrogen
misty pier
it heats up my room for me anyways
crisp granite
just submerge your pc in liquid nitrogen
hm
misty pier
it's a 850w space heater
misty pier
but where would I find a vat of liquid nitrogen
hard thicket
steal it from the next hospital closeby
misty pier
too expensive
umbral knot
Steal it from amazon
young pecan
@misty pier Get a 2nd hand nitrogen dewer and a tank, plus some extra bits. :P
Y'know... There's nothing stopping you from submerging a gaming PC in LN2.
Only electrically conductive at high temps, so long as you had it in a compressor cycle I see no reason why it wouldn't work, albeit with a LOT of cooling shenanigans.
young pecan
Wouldn't that become conductive over time?
hard thicket
that stuff doesnt
hard thicket
the ba8er has a decent build with that
fickle ore
just move finland, put computer near a window and open a hatch. -1 celsius atm for free
hard thicket
OC'd dual epyc with 128c
young pecan
Not even a bad idea.
Pump cold air in through a HEPA, throw hot air out.
Clean filter once a week.
solar hinge
Clean filter once a week.
this is where i run into issue
fickle ore
dont even need HEPA
solar hinge
issues
fickle ore
why would u need a filter you think finland has bad air quality?
fickle ore
no
solar hinge
too much finnish dandruff
young pecan
Finland.
young pecan
All of that, grows on dirt.
Finland = dirt land. 👌
hard thicket
as said super expensive stuff
fickle ore
Idk im living in an old building with negative air pressure so the air comes thru all gaps in the windows
prob has dirt and pollution anyway
young pecan
Nothing stopping you from passing the air through finer and finer filters, tho.
HEPA for big shit so the fine ones don't get rekt.
hard thicket
yeah he is
sad part next to it being expensive is, commoners cant even buy it legally
ignoring all that, its basically the future of tech cooling
young pecan
Iirc with some super specific filters you can.
hard thicket
^ this
fickle ore
Yeah aint nobody got those
hard thicket
its rather industrial stuff
fickle ore
NASAFILTERs tm
hard thicket
probably
young pecan
And we were discussing how you'd use Finland -1c air to cool a PC. :D
hard thicket
open up your window you potato
young pecan
Just put water on the CPU, 4head.
fickle ore
idk I leave my window open in the summer & winter sometimes when its near 0c
not when its -30
fickle ore
What strikes me very odd is how many ppl are reporting 25+*c ambients
We got like 18-19c lol
crimson wigeon
Do it! Especially overnight so you wake up in a very nice cold room
misty pier
my ambient is usually around 22C
hard thicket
you can be happy that you wake up at all lol
young pecan
Alright, bois.
hard thicket
atleast somethin
misty pier
yeah during the summers I like to keep my window propped open
young pecan
We could do a Finland cooled PC, but we'd need a HEPA filter and a lot of pm2.5 carbon filters.
misty pier
not during the fall or winters
young pecan
Or one really big pm2.5 carbon.
As far as I can tell that would be enough to block basically all of nature from touching the motherboard.
It's simple, man.
You run a pipe from outside Finland air into the PC and the hot air back out.
But you want it to be filtered.
misty pier
young pecan
Really well, because Finland.
misty pier
i mean you're not getting dust storms in finland are you
young pecan
If we're talking stupid overkill we may as well be genocidal against airborne dust particulate matter.
misty pier
i still don't see a need
fickle ore
Imagine the air pressure needed to push air through filters that are rated for 0,1 µm
misty pier
ask my icelandic friends i guess
fickle ore
gigawattz
misty pier
it's nice and frosty up there
young pecan
Hmm...
Actually, what if you just got a wall of your house and replaced it with a passive heatsink in iceland.
Then just hook it directly with heat pipes.
misty pier
that house would be chilly if you're also cutting out the insulation
young pecan
There's a few manufacturers that make decently sized heatsinks for industrial use.
fickle ore
Ive seen a closed setup with PC exhausting outside and drawing air from outside aswell
young pecan
And it wouldn't need to be replacing the whole wall, since you could run the pipes through the wall itself.
Just mount the PC to the inside of the wall.
golden girder
@fickle ore Is so this would indicate a signaling problem with PCIe 4. The data isn't tunneled but converted. So the connection between chipset and CPU has nothing to do with with the USB ports connected to chipset per se. The speed doesn't matter for the chipset but only limits the overall bandwidth.
umbral knot
dang the entire time that I was reading the past conversation I was crying in American
rip me not understanding celsius conversions
ashen spindle
I wonder if it's actually a pcie4 issue, or just a pcie4-implementation issue on the x570 chipset in that case though
fickle ore
@golden girder I was thinking it could've been the PCIE-4 link between cpu and the chipset and connecting fabric running into some bottlenecks with a pcie 4 graphics card + pcie 4.0 ssd running at full speeds, but mhm
not enough bandwith remaining for the chipset, if both ssd and gpu run off of 4.0 via cpu direct link
but signalling issue sounds plausible
golden girder
The 4 PCIe links for chipset are reserved.
fickle ore
Yes, you're correct. But why does it happen more often on a b550 then? It has a PCIE 3.0 link.
Happens less on a x570 with a PCIE 4.0 link
idk, maybe ppl have more b550's
golden girder
So there shouldn't be a problem. The bandwith just limits how much data can transfer from the things connected to the chipset to the CPU. But that should not lead into problems, it will just limit the speed to a graphic card and / or mass storage.
ashen spindle
either sample bias, or if it is an issue from the chipset, it could be that one is better, after all one is made from amd the other from asmedia
golden girder
Maybe not all older mainboard really support PCIe 4 in a proper way. AMD dropped the support for older mainbaords for a reason. I'm not familiar but did the B550 really even support PCIe 4 for the chipset. I thought it only support it for the first PCIe slot.
fickle ore
Thing is, it's only USB 2.0 ports that has the issue. Those aren't even running EHCI anymore, just XHCI (USB 3.0 driver) that is backwards compatible, so maybe it's a driver issue, or perhaps USB 2.0 is going through more hops, pci-e bridges, etc?
ashen spindle
B550 chipset doesn’t have pcie4 no
fickle ore
@ashen spindle only via cpu, so signalling might not be up to par (x570)
golden girder
Maybe is mistake it with another chipset.
fickle ore
@golden girder Yeah, maybe AMD indeed didnt allow PCIE 4.0 on older chipsets for a reason.. Even if Asrock etc would have wanted to enable it with bios updates..
ashen spindle
B550 only has the direct links from the cpu, b450 has no at all, some early versions had it running but got disabled, wasn’t running well
fickle ore
@umbral knot Does it? The cpu certainly, but what bout the traces through motherboard? Are they specced 100% for PCIE 4.0?
cursive summit
Afaik B550 only supplies PCIe 4 to the x16 slot
ashen spindle
X570 chipset should be the only chipset running pcie 4
umbral knot
It says it has pcie 4.0 on newegg
cursive summit
I'm pretty sure I read B550 does do PCIe 4 but only on x16 slot
M.2 and x4 slots are PCIe 3
umbral knot
It has one x16 and a x4 m.2
ashen spindle
yes as I said, the direct links from the cpu are pci4, aka the 16 slot and one x4 for m2
fickle ore
oke
cursive summit
Quintosh stop speaking science
umbral knot
fr tho
cursive summit
We need the "dumb" explanation
golden girder
AMD’s B550 chipset enables 4.0 compatibility for NVMe storage and graphics on mainstream motherboards... So not for the chipset.
https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/b550
ashen spindle
yes, the chipset is just getting 3.0 connection on b550
fickle ore
So those traces through motherboard are then up to par for PCIE 4.0 speeds... gotcha
golden girder
So of course enabling PCIe 4 for the chipset if even possible (on a modified or beta BIOS) would cause problems.
ashen spindle
I don't think that was ever possible, what you might be thinking of, is the beta/experimental builds that were trying to allow pcie4 over the direct connections tot he gpu/m2 slot on b450
but they were never about enabling 4.0 to the chipset
fickle ore
Anyway, if CPU ports are fucked for Wooting and Chipset ports are fucked due to whatever reason, I have to switch out of Wooting 🤔
Hope new agesa fix that
ashen spindle
well so far I can tell you it works for normal useage, havent tried xinput yet
fickle ore
ah good
golden girder
@fickle ore So what is the problem for you with the chipset ports?
fickle ore
@golden girder They stop responding for x seconds during gameplay. People call it USB hitching or stuttering but I don't know if there's a proper word for it yet.
Just out of nowhere keyb/mice stop working for 1-2 secs
ashen spindle
on gigabyte boards that seems to be fixed if you disable c-states in the bios
did that right on install and so far I have no issues
fickle ore
And on other boards forcing gen 3 pcie via bios
ashen spindle
I mean, I'm using a b550 so its 3.0 for my chipset anyway
fickle ore
No, I mean forcing the GPU to run at PCI-E 3.0
that's what fixes it for ppl on MSI, ASUS etc
ashen spindle
mhh in that case it can't be pcie4 being at fault, or else it would be an issue on all boards
so if that fixes it, setting it to 3.0 has to be changing something else that is then the actual cause for the fix
fickle ore
Now that I think about this, could this be due to PSU transient loads actually... Drawing high W for 1mS, so ppl's PSU's might not be up for the task, so it shuts down the USB ports.
golden girder
Wait, the speed for the directly connected slots causes trouble for the chipset?
fickle ore
Yepp
ashen spindle
anyway got wootility so I can enable xinput again and try all the ports on my board
golden girder
This sound to me like a bad mainboard implemation.
fickle ore
@ashen spindle remember when I told in this very channel that FUCK ASmedia, who makes the chipset for AMD!!
😄
golden girder
After a quick search it seems to be limited to Gigabyte only.
fickle ore
Why did AMD have to stop making chipsets after zen 2 :<
ashen spindle
ok so xinput works on mr front connector usb ports, not on the usb2 ports on the rear IO
crimson wigeon
Dinput still works?
golden girder
Most likely the problems with peripherals are the reason why Gigabyte has dropped V2 versions of the boards.
ashen spindle
ok correction
it seems to not work on some (so far 1) usb2 ports on the back
this other one and the 3.2 works
dont have dinput bound but I can try that
fickle ore
Try the USB CPU ports plz
ashen spindle
I was assuming rear IO would be cpu and 0 chipset but I'll need to check
golden girder
DInput should work everywhere, XInput not on the ports handled by the CPU on Ryzen based systems.
And the peripherals problems (lags) on the chipset ports is related to Gigabyte only.
It's typically mixed. Often at least two ports from the back are handled by the CPU.
fickle ore
@ashen spindle nop, only some are cpu, some are still chipset
ashen spindle
yeah trying to figure out which are which right now
edgy hull
<@!426791162670481419> They stop responding for x seconds during gameplay. Peopl...
oh, actually I had that issue. Had my One and my webcam on chipset USBs and rest on CPU. Fixed by moving webcam to CPU USB. Idk if it was the load of two devices or just power consumption, but eh
fickle ore
Also test between USB 3.2 gen 2 CPU ports + USB 3.2 gen 1 CPU ports
fucking hell that naming scheme
cursive summit
I'm glad it's going to remain USB 4 for next gen hopefully
edgy hull
but instead of stopped responding for me, it just booted everything off for a sec
very quick in reconnect tho
fickle ore
@edgy hull Interesting
ashen spindle
so what is the expected behaviour, xinput not working on cpu usb ports but on all others? @golden girder
edgy hull
from my testing, xInp is the only thing on Wooting that doesnt like CPU USB
ashen spindle
bc I have a lot of options to try here lol
crimson wigeon
ah good so nothing I need to worry about
golden girder
@ashen spindle XInput don't work on the ports handled by the CPU.
@fickle ore Disabling C-states maybe help and of course the newest BIOS.
https://www.pcseekers.tech/2020/08/gigabyte-b550-aorus-pro-usb-issues.html
DInput should work everywhere, XInput not on the ports handled by the CPU on Ryzen based systems.
vagrant marsh
My x570 doesnt seem to have it. Atleast i dont notice anything
ashen spindle
well, I'm trying to figure out which ports are from the cpu, the one it didnt work on was 2.0, so that was not coming from the cpu
golden girder
@vagrant marsh Seems to limited to B550.
ashen spindle
I dont think I can figure out in any way if the issue was on a 2.0 port that is from the chipset or the chipst+huhb connection
but I'll try to confirm it doesnt work on the cpu usb ports
golden girder
So the chipset also tells the CPU what the mainboard is capable of. Like there are mainboards without a chipset, then there is a identification chip of some kind which tells the CPU of the feature of the mainboard.
So yes, if there is a problem the CPU can have trouble correctly addressing the function of a chipset. Or a problem with the chipset itself.
fickle ore
@ashen spindle See my pictures on the questions_answers channel, your mobo manual should have this too
if you have issues figuring out which is which
fickle ore
all usb 2.0 are chipset, there is no cpu usb 2.0
golden girder
Please name your mainboard type.
ashen spindle
yes, some are chipset, some are chipset +usb hub
yes I have that open
still doesnt tell me which ones on the back are which
ashen spindle
Uhh
Now I seem to have replugged it too fast
And my mouse or keyboard does t respond anymore
fickle ore
@ashen spindle you can see it tho, go to device manager and sort it by connection type, so you see the paths
ashen spindle
Welp guess I need to restart pc
vagrant marsh
Btw @ashen spindle my pc now starts silently. With the 3600 cpu the fans blow at 100% until they became silent. But with the 5800 the fans start silent, and even the rgb starts at the right color. Weird, no?
ashen spindle
ok my keyboard works at this usb port
guess I somehow managed some usb ports but not all?
ok yeah I'll need to reboot idk wtf happend
ashen spindle
Nope, can’t be accurate, I’ll make a pic of what i think is going on in a sec
golden girder
A) is USB 2 so these are from the chipset for sure.
ashen spindle
ok this is just weird
golden girder
??? This is a different mainboard.
golden girder
Ok, this is interesting.
ashen spindle
4 works, 3 dosnt, but I know 3 is cpu connection
bc 3 is what they use for the qflash to flash bios
so it needs to go via cpu link
golden girder
Please verify the input with the Win Game Controller Panel.
ashen spindle
uhh where do I get that one form, device manager?
golden girder
Just run joy.cpl.
ashen spindle
ah right
fickle ore
@ashen spindle why would you need a cpu link for qflash? u can qflash without cpu installed
ashen spindle
two different things, qflash/qfals+, one needs nothing, one is easy flashing if you have things installed
golden girder
The ports still need to be dedicated for this feature.
fickle ore
on my msi x570 the bios flash port is USB 2.0 which is def not a cpu, yours could be different, just saying
ashen spindle
golden girder
I don't think the port matters but the feature just needs a dedicated port.
ashen spindle
anyway, joy.cpl seems to not noticemy inputs, but gamepaad-tester does
ashen spindle
golden girder
This DirectInput interface is not for the Xbox controller.
ashen spindle
tahts the other one
golden girder
Yeah, so it's not looking right. So please apply the fix from here: https://wooting.helpscoutdocs.com/article/56-fix-controller-settings-under-windows
ashen spindle
how did I break it alrady lmao
golden girder
By toggling XInput.
ashen spindle
ah true I did enable it
golden girder
Please...
If it's working but not anymore after changing back and forth it would help me a lot to understand it better.
ashen spindle
ok while I fixed it, it was in 4 which should be chipset
doesnt seem to work in 1 now
golden girder
Just tell me the ports or the circumstances where it don't work.
The three blue ports (your 3 & 4) should be CPU because these are USB Gen 1.
ashen spindle
it works in 4, not 3
now it works in 1 and 2, but right after I put it in 1, after we did the fix while on 4 and it worked there, it didnt work there at all
golden girder
ashen spindle
wait I'll plug out the vr stations to make this easier
golden girder
What about all the other ports.
ashen spindle
but I'm having a feeling there are 2 iossues going on atm
for reference
1 works, I put it in2, doesnt work, back in 1, doesn't work, put it in 8, doesnt work, put it in 7, works
(sorry for inconsistent ordering I just noticed lol)
now it works in 1 again
both controllers in joy.cpl get removed if I unplug it, they dont stay behind
now I've plugged it into 1 then 2 and it still works in 2, I feel like I accidently found a whole other issue lol
golden girder
Ok, please bind the "menu" button and press it too, just in case.
ashen spindle
good point
golden girder
It can be that on a fast re-plug there are issues.
A Xbox controller get a slot. On a fast re-plug the old slot is maybe not freed up.
So if you have other Xbox controller connected please remove them.
ashen spindle
doesnt fix it, tried start/select/menu neither changes it to make it see the input
only other device plugged in is my mouse, and headset via audio jack
golden girder
It's a pain for sure, but if you have such kind of problems you should maybe restart the OS.
So to exclude the new issue.
ashen spindle
I can do that again, but it was also an issue before I just restarted for the other isue where I couldnt use any usb devices on non-cpu usb ports
but that seems to be a non wooting related issue at least
golden girder
A Wireshark dump maybe help to figure out why the device isn't picked up later on.
ashen spindle
joy.cpl does see both controllers, but the test doesnt see the input
anyway brb restarting
golden girder
This the normal bad behavior when it's not working on the CPU ports on a Ryzen system.
But I don't know if the keyboard isn't polled or if the system has received the data but the driver has dropped them.
For that a Wireshark dump should help.
ashen spindle
ye we'll just ignore the other issue for now, think that's more of a board issue not really related to much else
vagrant marsh
ye, just ignore it :p
golden girder
For me both issues are interesting.
ashen spindle
yeah for sure, just easier to do one at a time
golden girder
And for both a Wireshark dump would be interesting.
golden girder
Because it uses an upper filter driver it should show the data if the system has received it.
But due to this Wireshark isn't useful if there was a problem due to enumeration. What's why I have a logic analyzer.
ashen spindle
aight got it installed with usbpcap and rebooted
we can move to voice chat if thats easier than to type it all out
uhhh nvm seems like something of what I did broke the controller again
golden girder
I'm ready...
wheat plume
two monitors dont work during a nvidia driver update
Today I learned...
They flash black then my secondary turned off
well, got no signal, not turn off
then a few minutes later they flash black and they are both on again
golden girder
golden girder
Copy & paste...
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
2270ec3c-e6cc-4167-b806-22bbdaf2720b
golden girder
So as a quick roundup, every port seems to work for Quintosh regardless if it's handled by the CPU or chipset on his Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO driven by a R5 5600X.
But he has another problem that re-plugging the Wooting sometimes causes kind of a failure were he need to reboot the system in order to get it working again.
reef patrol
golden girder
So the question remains what exactly causes a lot of Ryzen systems that XInput don't work.
So all mainboards I know about uses a X570 chipset and there is only an AsRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 which has also trouble.
wheat plume
wait, 85C is too hot for the GPU :/
idk how hot my CPU gets so I cant measure that rn
cursive summit
85c is within acceptable parameters
misty pier
msi afterburner?
wheat plume
TIL ArcoLinux comes with MangoHUD
(idk how to use MangoHUD, brb)
Wait, MangoHUD works on Windows?
vagrant marsh
Mine runs 90c all the time, cause its use is 100% all the time. Dw lana. Modern graphics cards can take up to 105c before breaking down, and through software it should not get any hotter than 90 cause at 89 they should start throttling
vagrant marsh
46c at full load? You do watercooling?
wheat plume
no tload
I just launched the game and on the main menu
its at 80C now
after a few minutes
vagrant marsh
yea. tis normal
after 10 seconds :p
if i turn raytracing on, it reaches 75 after 10 seconds
thick elk
I am not saying it can't just never bothered to try it
wheat plume
ah
thick elk
Most games play were I have an interest in frametimes and such, are dxvk. And I find the info on there pretty good. Especially the frametime plot is very clear about spikes
crimson wigeon
And those spikes are always shaders being compiled
thick elk
Nope, sure shader compile stutters do happen but in general stutters / frametime spikes are actually pretty common.
those spikes are just less steep most of the time.
crimson wigeon
Oh neat someone has kept the async patch updated time to applicate it
thick elk
Oh yea nvidia has a software package, even on windows I never bothered registering an account. Possibly out of principle.
ashen spindle
probably added to GFE since amd supports it for a while now
wheat plume
Minecraft + shaders = 100% CPU and GPU usage but much lower temps
Any other game = 100% GPU usage but relatively low CPU usage but higher temps
🤔
ashen spindle
pretty normal
wheat plume
O.o how large is the HC6 world???!!
zenith sonnet
Somewhat
wheat plume
O.o
cursive summit
For a Minecraft world? That's ridiculously large
wheat plume
cursive summit
So roughly 1.9 GBs then
That's kinda massive
Even the 2013 the massive castle that was really big and trending back in the day was smaller
zenith sonnet
Huh
My own MC world is 90 MiB larger
HC6 is 2.40 GiB unzipped
Mine's 2.49 GiB
They must have pruned a lot of data
wheat plume
O.o
wheat plume
oh yeh, minecraft and chrome :')
wheat plume
ah
the ConCorp Country Club Golf Course :D
The most time consuming thing I have ever seen someone build in Minecraft
driving range :O
fickle ore
@ashen spindle did you reinstall OS? my cpu came
ashen spindle
reinstall? I made a new system lol old OS is still in old pc
young pecan
Above convo, almost 2 gig isn’t actually that big for an MC world.
If you pregenerate a world even slightly it’ll pretty easily hit 40 gig, and 2B2T is something in the range of 8 terabytes in size for all the misc data.
grave palm
Where can I ask about wootility compatibility?
reef patrol
Compatibility with... What? @grave palm
vagrant marsh
@fickle ore for the cpu you dont have to reinstall the OS. Might have to update soft/firmware so it actually recognizes the damn thing
My hwinfo64 was so outdated it didnt even recognize how many cores it was running
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore I didn't
I'd say it's fine if you don't notice issues
@young pecan 40 GiB is a LOT of pregenerated world. Roughly about 40.000 blocks square in all 3 domains. HC6 and my world are also pregenerated, and have roughtly 2.4 GiB of data.
young pecan
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Usually when I pregen for my server I do 400k blocks in all directions minimum.
Rapid flight tends to make people run all the way to the border all the time. ._.
Good example was my Enigmatica 2 E2E server, someone got a Player Launcher and an unbreakable Elytra then got to +800k in 3 hours. ._.
zenith sonnet
Well, that's all way outside the scope of regular gameplay
How long does it even take to pregen 400k blocks? Must be like a week
young pecan
Half a month.
Though my server is 16 cores, so it's not as though I can't spare some power for a while.
Just finished pregenerating my RLCraft server, it's on 800k all directions and 50k in dimensions, took a good while, but I think this time someone won't be lagging everything with a Morock.
wheat plume
halcyon moss
wheat plume
🤔 ;-;
wtf
but its my wifi hotspot, never had to login to it before other than the password
the same happens on any network ..... wtf
it still works
but iok why this portal thing is coming up today
fickle ore
ryzen 5800x installed
umbral knot
pog
crisp granite
Ryzen gang!
wheat plume
AMD is RYZEN to the top!!!
cursive summit
@wheat plume that's such an old pun you prolly weren't even born when it was invented
zenith sonnet
ryzen 5800x installed
Upgraded my brother from a 6600 to a 3700X yesterday
He was too lazy to reinstall Windows, but it seems to do just fine after installing Chipset drivers
zenith sonnet
<@!211151302535806976> wtf why is my 5800x pulling over 1.3v?
Under what conditions?
fickle ore
in bios
zenith sonnet
My 5950X is pulling up to 1.5V
fickle ore
dafuq, ppl saying 1.325v isnt safe for zen 3
on reddit
kinda scared
@ashen spindle help
misty pier
yeah I was scared too
I got a new bios update installed and my volts are now sitting at 1.35v
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore it depends on current
ashen spindle
well, dont trust reddit for once lol
fickle ore
also can't start Ryzen Master, says requires win 10 lmao, im on latest version
fuuuuu
zenith sonnet
Restart, if it doesn't work, reinstall
umbral knot
rip
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore 1.325V isn't safe for an all-core max current load
But for a single core load, it's fine
ashen spindle
" I want to assure you that the CPU needs voltages to boost, and voltages of 1.2-1.5V are perfectly ordinary for Ryzen under load conditions (games, apps, whatever)."
fickle ore
yea I enabled eco mode
hard thicket
the save all core voltage is 1.35
fickle ore
also 4x8gb ram didnt boot :<, took 2 off and its fine now
hard thicket
same on zen2
hard thicket
wouldn't go above 1.35
i ran my 3900x at 1.4v for a while
but that hurt the performance more than i gained
due to thermals
zenith sonnet
the save all core voltage is 1.35
Debatable. People had processors die on that voltage in a few months, others seem to be doing fine
hard thicket
that value has been provided by amd, and even confirmed by derbauer
zenith sonnet
that value has been provided by amd, and even confirmed by derbauer
Again, it depends on temperature and current as well
But eh, it does not seem to be worth it, for the most part
hard thicket
why would you even go for an all core oc without providing the right cooling for it..
that doesn't get in my mind
fickle ore
yeah memory, 1.4v ddr4
hard thicket
for applications that benefit and use all the cores such as rendering, that is more or less the only vaild reason to do that
zenith sonnet
I wonder if I could get my 5950X to 4.5GHz all-core?
And even then, FPS might suffer in some games vs auto
umbral knot
Would not recommend trying to push the 5950X to 4.5ghz but you can if you want to
fickle ore
hmm I wonder
zenith sonnet
Well, CP scales to 16 threads, and I'm getting 4.9 GHz on the fastest two
And occasionally 4.675 allcore
hard thicket
have not seen a proper utilisation on my side so far in CP
probably since im at 4K res
fickle ore
PSA: I had disabled Workstation (SMB connections) in services.msc as I wasn't using the features and Ryzen Master relies on it. Still could have a nicer debug message.
That's it lmao
umbral knot
I usually get like 4.2Ghz on my 3600XT with 6c and most of the time 100% usage :)
crisp granite
I usually get like 4.2Ghz on my 3600XT with 6c and most of the time 100% usage :...
I get about 4.4 ghz on the same chip
something's up here
umbral knot
yeah I don't know what I did to it but I enabled something to get my ram to 3200mhz instead of 2133mhz and now my cpu is doodoo
crisp granite
what?
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet yeah I got my memory to 3600/16 fclk 1800 at 1.4v now, didnt try lower but the kit is rated for 4400/CL19 at 1.45v, so might do lower
crisp granite
@umbral knot it's the frequency, that's way too low
that's like 3600 speeds
not x or xt
what cooler are you using?
stock cooler?
umbral knot
ye
fickle ore
how do I stress test with ryzen master bois?
crisp granite
ye
silicone lottery I guess
sorry mate
either than or you haven't enabled ryzen high performance power settings in the settings
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore What's your board?
crisp granite
it runs pretty loud with it on though
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet x570 tomahawk
um um
whats a good cpu-z single/multi bench scores?
Eco mode
52 celsius on the bench test 😄
@ashen spindle what was that program to test single core bench
ashen spindle
Uhhhh cinebench? Aida? Geekbencj?
ashen spindle
Idk
fickle ore
I can't get wooting to work on cpu ports at all
@golden girder If I have my mouse connected to a USB 3.2 Gen 2 CPU port. It's working perfectly well. Guess what happens when I plug in Wooting into USB 3 GEN 1 CPU port? It works if nothing else is connected, but it prevents mouse working if I plug mouse after Wooting. If nothing is plugged Wooting works.
Bad wooting bad!
ashen spindle
Seems like some issue with x570 or some issue with something boards only did on 570 maybe
golden girder
@fickle ore We already have figured out that Gigabyte had problems and that this is the reason why they introduced another version of the mainboard. A lot of other users who don't own a Wooting have problems with that board and USB devices too. So why you blame Wooting?