🔌│tech

[cursive summit]

Who have AMD cards, new drivers are here

[crisp granite]

new drivers

yay

those are always fun

[cursive summit]

Yeah

[crisp granite]

not installing them though

[zenith sonnet]

@reef patrol Thing is, my F4-3600C16D-32GTZR does C14 at 1.45V as well, so I truly wonder if there's a difference other than programming

[cursive summit]

Melting plastic and smoking PSUs

[crisp granite]

[ashen spindle]

yeah its a thing of mindfactory, instead of free shipping above x€ its only during certain times

[halcyon moss]

internet is 24/7 right? :p

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crisp granite]

depends

[cursive summit]

@crisp granite

[halcyon moss]

ok, not for christian webshops

[crisp granite]

not if your roommate has a habit of getting ddosed at roughly 11pm every night

[zenith sonnet]

[crisp granite]

or if you live in cuba and an hour of internet costs 5% of monthly wages

[zenith sonnet]

That's 20 hours of Internet every month!

[crisp granite]

and no rent or food

[zenith sonnet]

It's Cuba. just drink Rum

[crisp granite]

and smoke some habanos

a very healthy diet indeed

[zenith sonnet]

Wut?

[pale sigil]

Oooooooooooft

[crisp granite]

damn

at least they tell you before you enter all that info

[zenith sonnet]

That's after Checkout

[pale sigil]

Shite is down

It seems

[zenith sonnet]

Well and truly

Totally broken

[pale sigil]

Haha I forgot

6900 right

[zenith sonnet]

I gotta leave now, though
Guess that's that

[pale sigil]

F

Best of luck

[zenith sonnet]

Same page, but without the error message, when I use a CC

[crimson wigeon]

Heh, 6900 availability so poor not even reviewers are getting them

[ashen spindle]

well, you have a chance if you are in switzerland

one shop there is having a raffle for people getting a spot to buy them

and no you cant try getting it anyway, it only works if you have a delivery address in switzerland lel

[misty pier]

🤔

[ashen spindle]

ok pc bootet, windows install worked, cpu temps were like 32°

in bios

so I can now finish cabling I guess

[cursive summit]

Lads

[crisp granite]

what?

[cursive summit]

Not sure if anyone asked about this again

Could we have another RX 5700 BIOS flash to XT model extra perf situation with the 6800 XT - 6900XT?

[crisp granite]

hm

why would AMD do that this time

[cursive summit]

6800XT is literally the same as 6900XT except for 8 extra CU's

[crisp granite]

they're actually competitive for the first time in a while

[cursive summit]

Wouldn't a new BIOS theoretically remove power limits on 6800XT?

So free perf?

[crisp granite]

EVGA did that with their FTW3 RTX 3080

it could work

but that's up to AMD

[cursive summit]

AMD doesn't control Bios flashing you know

[crisp granite]

or AiB partners

I know

but they encouraged it with the 5700

[cursive summit]

Hm, I'll need to see if someone can cook up some free perf with 6800XT bios flashing

[crisp granite]

try flashing an aftermarket card bios with higher power limit?

[ashen spindle]

what you are looking for is this thing called overclocking

[crisp granite]

woah

cool

If only my gpu actually had some OC headroom

but I don't, so the bios flashing is my only option

[ashen spindle]

and you can't enable the disabled cores to turn a 6800 into an XT variant

so yes you can probably get close, but you can also OC the XT

so it's the same as usual

[crisp granite]

they locked down everything

power limit max is 104%

[ashen spindle]

nah there is PPT stuff you can do

[crisp granite]

ok

I'm gonna try the msi auto oc thang

lets see what I can get from auto oc

[ashen spindle]

worked pretty well on my 1080

[crisp granite]

well

[ashen spindle]

I then took what it got, reduced it a bit and applied an undervolt so I'd get above stock with lower voltage

[crisp granite]

I don't know how well it'll do with my 3070

but I'll try the OC and undervolt

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle bitch you didn't wire first

[ashen spindle]

lol nope

I even removed the cable management thing entirely instead of flipping it around so I could have it pluged in easier

[pale sigil]

Weak

[misty pier]

bleh who needs cable management

[ashen spindle]

not weak, I'm ~~ lazy~~ efficent

[restive gate]

Me

Every time I build a PC that's what I spend the most time on

RGB makes it worse

[ashen spindle]

guess I'll put a trigger warning before my finished build picture then lmao

[restive gate]

A little thing called OCD, and a whole lot of perfectionism, lead to me caring

[ashen spindle]

I'll move it so that it wont be in the airflow path of the gpu but that's all I care about

[restive gate]

Fair

[misty pier]

guess that's something I lack

[ashen spindle]

ngl these fans being rgb is pretty shit

need to figure out if I can ignore the rgb cables

[pale sigil]

Haha

Tbh I don't like rgb

But I do like white

[restive gate]

I mean I don't like rainbow vomit

But I like the option of whatever color scheme you feel like at any given moment

[ashen spindle]

Sure that’s fine

I don’t like it wasting any board space or needing extra cables

[restive gate]

Fair

[misty pier]

i am a fan of minimalism now

i was into rainbow puke once and now I don't really like it anymore

lights off

but maybe this year I'll make it christmas themed

[pale sigil]

Damn it the GPU cable popped out again

[restive gate]

Oof

Also Ashoka 👌

[pale sigil]

I hate this phones camera

[wheat plume]

how?

[ashen spindle]

It wants to be free

[vagrant marsh]

https://c.tenor.com/nv5Ne6jixFEAAAAM/break-free-i-want-to-break-free.gif

[pale sigil]

ffs xD.... my ram and mobo syncs with wallpaper engine.

[restive gate]

Of course they do

Why wouldn't they

[wheat plume]

OO

[ashen spindle]

Lmao nice, bc of the plate behind it you barely even notice that I removed the cable management bar

... too dark to make a picture lmao gotta post one tomorrow

[urban lynx]

had that at first too.
can switch it off again via this razer chroma support or something inside wallpaper engine / individual setting per wallpaper. like you'd do sound and such

[misty pier]

i should make some wallpapers for WE

[pale sigil]

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

hm I didn't fully plan this through

[pale sigil]

Cant wait to get my new fans

:3

[ashen spindle]

I have extra cables so I could put this under the table on the other side and have both on the same powerplug and such, but changing mouse/keyboard could be annoying

[pale sigil]

u fuckin wot

[ashen spindle]

KVM would be nice I guess, if they werent so expensive

[reef patrol]

1. Bad sensor somewhere on motherboard.
2. Not actually a sensor, fake readout

[ashen spindle]

2. most likely

[pale sigil]

apparently something about the software not being able to read

[ashen spindle]

happens quite often

[pale sigil]

the new cpus

my idle temps are 63c

[ashen spindle]

with a D15? O.o

[pale sigil]

Stock cooler :p

remember :p

[misty pier]

that's not bad

[ashen spindle]

I thought you put a noctua on, didnt remember

hmm and I need a second ethernet cable

[pale sigil]

So like how do i enable boost

i never notice my clock speed go up

[ashen spindle]

ryzen master probably

I wouldnt touch it yet though

there will be more bios updates, mostly for memory etc.

[pale sigil]

software is confusing

lol

[ashen spindle]

no point tuning it yet already

[reef patrol]

Ryzen Master can apply a conservative overclock that just auto applies in BIOS.

[pale sigil]

oh

found it

[reef patrol]

That's what I did my 5600X on D15.

[pale sigil]

oops

i put it to 6

[ashen spindle]

6 Hz?

[fickle ore]

6V

[ashen spindle]

[crisp granite]

X OC

[pale sigil]

ok

thats nice

that i can oc in the os

FFFF
xD

[misty pier]

is it safe to run ryzen at 1.5v

[pale sigil]

my temps

oh god

[crisp granite]

those are great temps

jk

those are awful

might I suggest a D15?

cuz NH-D15's are bae

[ashen spindle]

87 for a stress test seems fine

[reef patrol]

Ehhh... wouldn't go past 1.4 sustained

[ashen spindle]

you ain't running anything that uses all cores

[pale sigil]

Am very aware

Thst it's bae

[misty pier]

i swear my motherboard is just broke

[ashen spindle]

which ryzen, there are different safe voltages

[pale sigil]

sadly this isn't joining my new build

[misty pier]

it overvolts my cpu to 1.49v

[pale sigil]

Meh I turned on auto oc

[misty pier]

idle temps always hitting 60C on idle with a 240mm radiator

[pale sigil]

Till I get a new cooler

[pale sigil]

To big for what I'm going for this time around

[zenith sonnet]

@misty pier Ryzen peaks at 1.5V
That's stock behavior and normal

[misty pier]

seems concerning it goes that high though :|

[ashen spindle]

zen2 in your build?

[zenith sonnet]

It happens when there's small loads (less than 1 core)

[crisp granite]

help

[misty pier]

yeah I have a zen 2

[ashen spindle]

1.49 is above safe voltage for zen2 im pretty sure, if that's all core voltage

[crisp granite]

my gpu is running at full boost at idle somehow

msi afterburner shows it running at 1830 mhz

[ashen spindle]

do you have the OC tool open?

[crisp granite]

no

not at all

[ashen spindle]

yes, you literally just said you have afterburner running lol

[crisp granite]

and I closed it a while ago

when it was done

[ashen spindle]

closed, or minimized?

[zenith sonnet]

Also, when you use a monitoring tool other than Ryzen Master, you're not seeing true idle clocks and voltages

[crisp granite]

completely closed

[ashen spindle]

restart? do you have more than 1 monitor?

[crisp granite]

just one monitor

[misty pier]

really?

[crisp granite]

I tried the restart

[zenith sonnet]

For example HWinfo keeps my 5950X running at 3.3 GHz on all 16 cores

[pale sigil]

my gpu is quite toasy

at idle

poo i miss my old gpu, was aways 25c idle

😄

[zenith sonnet]

When I open Ryzen Master, I see one core at 300 Mhz, the rest are parked

[pale sigil]

atm its 52c idle

[crisp granite]

I'll try the restart again

[pale sigil]

0% rpm tho

[misty pier]

in my bios it shows my voltage at 1.4-1.5v usually

[zenith sonnet]

That's also normal stock behavior

Voltage should go lower, the higher the load

[ashen spindle]

uhh yeah I'd google that

[misty pier]

🤔

[ashen spindle]

maybe a known thing with your board

or the load line is crazy and that 1.4 is not really 1.4

[zenith sonnet]

About 1.3-1.35V for 1T full load

And 1.2V for all-core?

[crisp granite]

@ashen spindle restart didn't fix the boosting at idle

[misty pier]

maybe it's my board

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ idk if on ampere you can apply the OC without the tool being open maybe

[crisp granite]

I applied no oc

[crisp granite]

it literally failed to produce an OC

[ashen spindle]

well idk what you did in afterburner

[pale sigil]

i envy your 31c

[zenith sonnet]

@misty pier Make sure PBO is off

[crisp granite]

it failed to produce an oc then I closed the program

[misty pier]

let me check my bios again

[ashen spindle]

well yeah, idk what it actually does on ampere, maybe it does something even if it fails

[crisp granite]

hm

resetting the card in afterburner does nothing too

[zenith sonnet]

I'm pretty sure you accidentally set to automatically apply something, then
Happened to me, too
Took me ages to figure out, lol

Even persistet when I reset Afterburner

[crisp granite]

is there a fix?

or have I just fucked up really badly this time?

[misty pier]

hmm

flicked off PBO to disabled in bios and now it sits at 1.38-1.4v

i guess zen 2 is just hot at idle though, still sitting at 50-60C

when I got it undervolted to 1.0v it sat at 35-40C

but it wouldn't boost past 3.6 ghz

[crisp granite]

it's just reading it wrong

maybe a reinstall of afterburner will fix it?

it's performing just like normal

[vagrant marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ALYCuqtho

though the 6900xt is a cheaper buy than a 3090, its more direct competitor seems to still be the 3080.

[wheat plume]

why does it suggest me to install not the latest BIOS

[ashen spindle]

Why do you want to update your bios?

[crisp granite]

@ashen spindle it's an issue with msi afterburner

it runs bone stock in practice

[wheat plume]

i dont but im curious what this app is for

[crisp granite]

what app?

[wheat plume]

Asus Armoury Crate

[ashen spindle]

(Bloatware)

Same as any board software

[wheat plume]

it has an option in my BIOS to download it or not

[crisp granite]

I think thats the rgb and driver software for TUF boards

[wheat plume]

I left it on

[wheat plume]

it also updated firmware and drivers for me

[misty pier]

armoury crate is real bloaty

they moved all the apps to control the rgb and stuff on my mobo and aio to there

[ashen spindle]

every board vendor has something to control board functions

all of them are bloatware with different degree

[misty pier]

yeah i used to use the software they have but they broke after a few updates

reinstalled it over and over to no success

[ashen spindle]

so uh, anyone want to buy my monitor? 21:9 1440p@100hz with g sync

[crisp granite]

panel type?

[ashen spindle]

ips

[crisp granite]

oooo

hm

price?

[misty pier]

i have no room for 21:9 :(

[restive gate]

I'm going 16:10 but just real big, so nah sorry

[ashen spindle]

uhh, regardless of price, you sure you want to find out what shipping costs to the us of that thing? lol

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle ill give you 1 pence

[crisp granite]

why the us?

[pale sigil]

if its free ill have it

and pay shipping

always wanted ultrawide

[ashen spindle]

bc I doubt it goes straight to canada from germany

[crisp granite]

it will

[pale sigil]

it will but itll cost a fortune

[ashen spindle]

well, I'll look at what I even paid for this in a bit and can tell you lol

[crisp granite]

or you can ship it to the family farm and I'll bring it over myself?

the farm is in the EU

[pale sigil]

Nu

its mine

mwhaha

[misty pier]

how long did you have the monitor?

[ashen spindle]

well I noticed the other monitor I was looking at isn't in stock for like 2 weeks minimum at all the places here

let me check

[misty pier]

and.. is it clean 👀

[ashen spindle]

yea it's absolutely fine

[pale sigil]

its a bonus if it has his stuff on it right?

[ashen spindle]

just cant use it with an amd card as well lol

[pale sigil]

[misty pier]

yeah

[ashen spindle]

huh I cant find the amazon email I wonder if I got this from my student amazon account

the 2 year warranty is gone if that was the concern, but now I'm curious when I actually got it lol

[misty pier]

🤔

[wheat plume]

great solution you got there

[zenith sonnet]

Free performance?

But includes data like this

[timid chasm]

But only at lower resolutions I assume?

[pale sigil]

That can't be right

[zenith sonnet]

I very much depends on the game

4K

[timid chasm]

based on what GN tested it seemed super dependent on games

[timid chasm]

and rage mode seems useless, I think?

[pale sigil]

That's mad

What's the point then

Buying a 6900 xt lol

[zenith sonnet]

Look at Battlefield, it's much better at lower res

And in Anno it sucks, but only at lower res

In BL3, it helps in 4K, unlike the other two titles

[pale sigil]

So tltr

[misty pier]

🤔

[zenith sonnet]

So, it's completely random

[pale sigil]

No to 6900xt

[ashen spindle]

there is no real point in buying a 6900, it just exists as a halo product

[misty pier]

i mean if you compare specs to the 6800 xt, there's not much of a difference aside from the price tag

[ashen spindle]

but thats partly bc they dont handicap the 6800 with less vram

[zenith sonnet]

It's faster than a 6800 XT 🤷

[pale sigil]

How much ram does it have

[misty pier]

just more cores or something onboard

[ashen spindle]

they all have 16

[timid chasm]

Any data with it paired to something like a 5600 and not 5900 or are they the same level for gaming? I've forgotten already

[zenith sonnet]

Here again, SAM good at low res, but not at high res?

Wait...

That's probably the memory that's helping with a CPU bottleneck?

Or not?

I dunno, doesn't look like a CPU bottleneck

[ashen spindle]

mostly the same for gaming, especially in a gpu bound scenario it doesnt matter

[timid chasm]

Well then I'd consider a 5600 instead if it gave a noticeable 4k boost in some titles

[timid chasm]

2fps is not noticeable though

[zenith sonnet]

This one does not care at all

[ashen spindle]

the reason why a 5800 might give you more, is because the silicon is better mostly, so you can get some higher clocks

[zenith sonnet]

This just looks like a broken title

[ashen spindle]

but until games make more uses of cores, not point getting something above

[zenith sonnet]

Tbh, that should be excluded from the review

[timid chasm]

why does a 3060 ti ever beat a 6900 xt

[zenith sonnet]

6800 = 6800 XT = 6900 XT?

[crisp granite]

dlss

[ashen spindle]

are we talking RTX, DLSS or none of these?

[zenith sonnet]

None of these

[timid chasm]

I mean D:OS was always weird with performance but still

[zenith sonnet]

This title seems to just be broken

A 3090 looses to a 3080?

[ashen spindle]

sometimes if it's extreme, it could be drivers, or a game heavily use something that only works on one architechture etc.

[zenith sonnet]

And the 3090 equals a 2080 Ti?

[timid chasm]

and definitely don't expect*those frames if you're creative in fights lol

[misty pier]

:|

[ashen spindle]

witcher for example will run miles better on nvidia, bc it uses a lot of tesselation (even without hairworks)

[timid chasm]

I managed around 30fps in several fights with a 1080 ti

[ashen spindle]

and the tesselation engine in amd is just a lot worse

well I found a review that I know saw before I got the monitor

so I guess for now I know I got it at some point after march 2016

[fickle ore]

SAM helps at 4k, it's just not showing due to bottleneck but the sim/rendering time reduction is there but it gets masked due to whatever setting

Or better 1% lows

Maybe it helps but borked bench

[ashen spindle]

the monitor is an asus pg348 btw

[crisp granite]

nice panel

only a little over $1000 CAD

I found a review from 2016

[ashen spindle]

yeah it's a good monitor and if nvidia would've been the better option I'd still be using it, but now I'm looking to replace it

tftcentral?

[zenith sonnet]

Looking through the individual reviews at TPU, there seem to be quite a few weird pieces in there

[crisp granite]

yup

[ashen spindle]

ye thats the one I remember to have read before I got it

[crisp granite]

still

price?

assuming you still want to sell it

[hard thicket]

are you using hwinfo ?

[ashen spindle]

well, it would be after I can make sure I get a new one lol

[hard thicket]

mean this

[ashen spindle]

so based on the dates on the sites in like 2ish weeks

price I gotta look what used models sell for]

and make sure it is in like-new condition, don't wanna sell it while I missed an issue or something

[crisp granite]

ok

thanks

[pale sigil]

😓

Not liking these temps

haha

[vagrant marsh]

70 is not that bad

[wheat plume]

70 during load?

[vagrant marsh]

during load?

not bad :p

if it was idle id be worried

[wheat plume]

same

[pale sigil]

oooft

im trottling i think

my fps is tanking

[vagrant marsh]

shouldnt be. it shouldnt throttle until 90c

or maybe.,...

its 70 cause its already throttled

[wheat plume]

there is one area in the GTA Online map that makes me tank to like 20-40FPS

and soon as I leave that area I get back up to past 60

[vagrant marsh]

bl3. not really cpu intensive, but 50 average

[pale sigil]

man

i love my asus board

its purty

also i love rtx voice

think my fans jjust arn't kicking in haha

i cant hear them at all

[vagrant marsh]

any electrical whining?

oh wait, u aint got the new gpu yet

[ashen spindle]

Cool enough for 0 fans spinning :p

Ewww the monitor is only running at 50hz

Stupid hdmi trash cable

[misty pier]

[vagrant marsh]

also, using ur phone to screenshot

[misty pier]

man doesn't use win+shift+s

[ashen spindle]

It’s a fresh install...

Nothing aside from hwinfo and drivers

[vagrant marsh]

no excuse! u simp

[misty pier]

gotcha

[quiet crescent]

🤫🤫

[crisp granite]

noice

missed the tissue again though

dang it

[plush summit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/k95w7b/centos_moving_to_a_rolling_release_model_will_no/

aaaand cent os is dead now

[timid chasm]

lol, my younger brother will be upgrading from a 1060 3gb to a 3070 and I think he'll be blown away and I'm excited to see it

Also be upgrading from an intel xeon 1245 to either a 3700x or a 5800x

[urban lynx]

i upgraded from a 750ti to a rx 580 and i think that's amazing...

[timid chasm]

For sure that's a solid upgrade, imo

[restive gate]

It's used quite a bit in the server space actually

Good for rendering or something iirc

[plush summit]

bruh

they made something that was supposed to be stable and reliable into a rolling release

[restive gate]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rolling release doesn't have to mean unstable

[plush summit]

iirc a rolling release is not what you want on your servers

[restive gate]

Just means more incremental updates

openSUSE has a rolling release too, and they also have a focus on stability

While true, there can be a slightly higher chance of issues due to the sheer number of updates

It's really not that big of a deal

[pale sigil]

haha my 3080 is deffo coming earl yjan

not dec

[ashen spindle]

find new monitor that might be just what I look for
price seems ok
only german place is amazon and it's 200% the price

wtf

even shipping this from NA would be cheaper

[crisp granite]

then ship it from north america

[ashen spindle]

you know, it might be cheaper than the one offering here, doesn't mean 180 shipping + customs is something I want to pay lmao

also think I'm settling for a different model anyway, but need to look at some more reviews

[misty pier]

what monitors have you been eyeing?

[ashen spindle]

Gigabyte G34WQC atm

[misty pier]

assuming ultrawide?

[ashen spindle]

ye

[misty pier]

damn that's a big one

[ashen spindle]

should be very similar to what I have atm

[misty pier]

huh, no 10-bit color

not a dealbreaker though

[ashen spindle]

wonder if I could just ask them to trade my monitor in lmao, 450€ for it in 3 stores, first ebay listing for a used pg348 is also 450€

"hello I want to buy monitor, can I purchase with monitor?"

[misty pier]

barter 100

[wheat plume]

they really are the ugliest headphones ever

[pale sigil]

Everyone is like

damn

3 pins for the new gpus?!? my gpu only has 2!

[wheat plume]

apart from cheap plastic gamer headphones

[pale sigil]

And im like... oh i have 4

[wheat plume]

what you mean?

[wheat plume]

ooh

[pale sigil]

some gpus need 3x 8 pin wires

[wheat plume]

o.o

[pale sigil]

a lot of gpus come with 2

[wheat plume]

mine has one cable

[pale sigil]

haha i just need to buy 3 custom cables

;-;

[wheat plume]

welp

[pale sigil]

not to bad, around 30 quid

but ehhh

money

[wheat plume]

I already have my displayport cable bought

got that the week after I ordered the monitors

[misty pier]

me need new motherboard

me want more storage

[wheat plume]

what mobo?

[misty pier]

https://rog.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Strix/ROG-Strix-X570-I-Gaming-Model/

[restive gate]

you could just buy a pcie card

[pale sigil]

@misty pier you use more than 6 sata ports?....

[misty pier]

no just another nvme slot

[restive gate]

you could still just buy a pcie card

[misty pier]

how am I supposed to use my gpu then

there’s one slot

[pale sigil]

ah

itx

[restive gate]

why

[pale sigil]

FF

[restive gate]

F

[misty pier]

yeah

I could reduce my gpu to pciex8

but with pcie 4 it’s not needed

idk I don’t really need pcie 4 at the moment either

[restive gate]

doesn't that come with the weird nvme insert cards for specialized ram slots or whatever tf?

or is that a different one

[misty pier]

no

I think that’s the more expensive one

crosshair something

[restive gate]

ah

[misty pier]

someone here has one

[wheat plume]

most of the mobos this site have are AM4

:DD

[misty pier]

i wonder what the next alternative to am4 is

[wheat plume]

AM5

jk
no idea

[misty pier]

i forgot amd kept stuff logical like that

[wheat plume]

hmmmm

no idea

[misty pier]

i think 5000 series is the last for am4 right?

[restive gate]

as far as we know

[wheat plume]

I really have no idea :') I picked my mobo and CPU cause the sockets matched and the motherboard had wifi and BT built in and sata ports for drives

[restive gate]

there has been no statement either way

[pale sigil]

bt would be nice built in haha

[restive gate]

but honestly am4 doesn't seem to be outgrowing it's limits, so we might have a while yet

[misty pier]

all i heard was they might stop in 2021

that was years ago

[pale sigil]

@reef patrol

ok here is the plan

hear me out

[restive gate]

no

bad decision

bad bad

[pale sigil]

why

[restive gate]

because reasons

I'm irrationaly angry about this perfectly acceptable choice

[pale sigil]

tell me about this

[restive gate]

cease to have agency this moment

for you are making a choice I don't 110% agree with

even though it's perfectly fine

and I don't really care

[pale sigil]

nvm

i just noticed the price

lmao

[restive gate]

sorry I only know hamburger currency, it's a lot I take it?

[pale sigil]

23 euro

not a lot like

[pale sigil]

Irs so satisfying putting a new screen protector on

[wheat plume]

I find it frustrating

I can never get it without a few tiny air bubbles

Or being a mm off somewhere

[pale sigil]

if my gpu wasn't 3x 8 pin

i wouldn;t have issues with cusotm cables

-_-

[wheat plume]

We've come a long way from my friend's old gtx 1050 that was powered by the pcie slot

[pale sigil]

haha

wait what

no

it would have been 6 or 8 pin

6 pin

[wheat plume]

Nope
No power cable

[crisp granite]

so it drew power just from the pci e slot?

cool

I don't think they make those anymore

[wheat plume]

I guess not
They need much more power now

[crisp granite]

I think they made a 1650 like that

but I really doubt that can happen again this gen

unless it's a super cut down display adapter

like a GT 710

[restive gate]

AMD might be able to pull it off

but ampere is so absurdly power heavy, I imagine it's unrealistic to expect as much from Nvidia

[edgy hull]

Wish Nvidia didnt kneecap their OC community so hard with the power limits.

[misty pier]

fermi vibes from ampere

[crisp granite]

mhm

[vagrant marsh]

Too bad the 6900 xt aint cutting it. Its not much of an improvement over a 6800 xt. And whether amd likes it or not, both raytracing and dlss aint gimmicks no longer.

Even without dlss, the rtx 3080 holds itself just fine against the 6800

[restive gate]

Lol imagine thinking any of this matters, at this rate the new GPUs will come out before anyone can buy these ones

[vagrant marsh]

Ur right ofcourse, but means we still can have preference

[restive gate]

Also RTX on AMD ain't bad, and they're working on an analogous DLSS feature

[vagrant marsh]

Not rtx

Raytracing

[restive gate]

Eh, same difference

One is just owned by Nvidia

[vagrant marsh]

No, one is a brand and the other is the actual name 😋

[misty pier]

my friend with a 980 ti is continuing to wait

she could get a 3080 but there's probably a new one coming around anyways

[restive gate]

I think AMD acknowledges the importance, I think they just don't have the resources to develop features that are still considered nice-to-have

[misty pier]

why bother with these models anyways

can't even get em

[restive gate]

You mean she could pay for a 3080

Can't buy one tho

[misty pier]

yeah she has enough to get one, stock and availability prevent her from getting one

[vagrant marsh]

Man im glad i got seat warmers. Its mighty cold

[misty pier]

i'm glad i don't have a mesh bottom for this chair

it's nice and warm with a giant foam seat

[chrome estuary]

So what's a better choice? The 6800 or the 3080. I want to save up and get a new graphics card since I think my 1080 is being stupid

[hard thicket]

there is quite a budget jump from 6800 to 3080

its up to you i'd say

and if you care about things like raytracing or not

or more like, if you play those games that make use of the DXR properly

[zenith sonnet]

Don't give too much weight to RT benchmarks yet
Any "DXR" game on the market at the moment is developed for Turing

@chrome estuary Out of the two, I'd say 6800. They're considerably easier to find in stock, and are considerably less overpriced than the 3080

[chrome estuary]

Fair enough

I was already considering the 6800, anyway

It'll be a while before I get one anyway for multiple reasons but still good to know

[zenith sonnet]

MIndfactory has 5600X, 5800X, 5900X in stock
Did anyone still need any?

[neat oriole]

Thanks for sharing your opinion on a product being, as you put it, 'overpriced.' To expand upon this a bit: saying something is 'overpriced' means a very particular thing: in precise economic terms, this means that the price is too high so as to depress the demand curve, pulling it far below the equilibrium price. Apple does not have a history of making 'overpriced' products, and this is self-evident from the sales volumes both estimated from store ship dates and in Apple's quarterly financial reports. A related note is whether something is too expensive: it's important to realize that the vast majority of the server are children and young adults (13-21), and have very poor concepts of economics and the overall market, or the value of money. 'Too expensive for a teenager' does not make something too expensive. 'That sounds like a lot of money' does not make something too expensive. Apple is a luxury brand that makes premium products. Their goal is not to sell one to every person that exists. Their goal is to make the best products possible, and sell those products at a price that allows them to continue to innovate. This is very different from other brands. Further, many of Apple's products are aimed at business users only, not general consumers. A USD$20k computer isn't remotely expensive in the world of business tools. Know how much a soda fountain costs? One name-brand unit is over $10,000! To sell $1.00 soda! People using computers for work make a lot more than that. Are USD$500 headphones expensive in the overall headphone market? No: Is a USD$20,000 computer expensive in the overall business computer market? No: Is Apple's RAM expensive outside the 'using so-called gamer components following reddit guide' market? No: How about storage? For the same reason, no

[zenith sonnet]

Holy shit this is stupid

[thick elk]

While there is some truth to it, I think his first mistake starts with the term overpriced.
If someone calls something overpriced it does not mean that noone is buying it, but rather that people should not buy it.
This because there are less expensive things that perform as well, or better products at the same price.

A better argument in favor of Apple's pricing ,would be that they offer a certain ecosystem, which costs money to maintain / grow and warrants a worse deal in terms of performance for the same price.
As well as having certain parts marked up a lot, such as memory and storage.

[old marlin]

Well if they would at least offer top notch hardware and then overcharge

[crimson wigeon]

But it is top notch! In looks!

[thick elk]

Thing is with apple they are not just a brand serving the top end, they still need to provide somewhat acceptable pricing while keeping their margins the way they are.

[old marlin]

I get that there are huge companies relying on the apple ecosystem which don't care if a computer costs 20k

But at least offer the best hardware on the market for them

But no, instead you get some random xeons and amd gpus

Outdated amd gpus at that

[thick elk]

Basically the way their system works before arm they were locked to intel cpu's and amd gpu's both with longer validation periods, as they have to write the drivers themselves.

in enterprise outdated hardware is quite common

[old marlin]

But then someone just installs macos on a ryzen based hackintosh

And has a faster macos machine

[thick elk]

Yes but not one that went through apple validation and fit's the probably huge deal they got with intel.

[old marlin]

"it would be too much effort to develop" should not be a thing for a computer at that pricepoint

[cursive summit]

For those who have X370 Taichi boards

Experimental Vermeer/Renoir BIOS is released

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tSnwQUMGXmoPNC6LM4yMuiSjRTPwMOo9/view this seems legit

[zenith sonnet]

Also, another day, another Gigabyte beta

[old marlin]

wtf kinda "case" is this

if that is a case a pair of underpants is full body armour

[crimson wigeon]

What makes the case smart?

[old marlin]

idfk

wait

they cost 600 euros

[wheat plume]

ThE EleGaNT DeSiGN

[old marlin]

wait lemme go on the english page the german one only says stuff that seems like made up bs

ah ok

same bs here

When stored in their soft, slim Smart Case, AirPods Max enter an ultra‑low‑power state that preserves charge.

[wheat plume]

:')

[old marlin]

aka it has an RFID/NFC module

very smart piece of silicone

[wheat plume]

SMART
Can tell the headphones they are in the case

Our brains are smart pieces of meat with electricity running through it

[old marlin]

for 600 you can get some insane headphones

[wheat plume]

^^

and not these ugly AF Airpods

[old marlin]

like some used audese LCD2s

[wheat plume]

used for $600??

wooow

[old marlin]

yea they are like 550-650 used rn

[wheat plume]

fucking hell

[old marlin]

new they were twice that

[wheat plume]

O.o

[old marlin]

rn you can get the cheaper plastic model for 800 new

[neat hare]

couh airpods max cough

[cursive summit]

Does anyone know the sound quality for those apples?

I bet they'll be good, but can they beat 200€ Sennheisers?

[misty saffron]

i'm more than happy with my 200 usd beats solo pro

[cursive summit]

I tried 300€+ beats

They sounded shit

[misty saffron]

they don't sound the best, correct

but they're good wireless headphones

[cursive summit]

Beats and Bose are companies I'll never buy

Just not good sound quality

And I like the wire more than without

[misty saffron]

don't think anything will convince me to switch from my hifiman sundara for desktop listening though

[cursive summit]

I love my Clouds Alpha

I wonder if you can actually get better sound than the Alphas

Or at least to me better sound is hard to imagine

[misty saffron]

why not open backs for home?

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/OupiPZybyBE

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

all the videos about my case are good impressions :D

[ashen spindle]

not like your system needs a lot of air anyway :p

[wheat plume]

true

but it gets quite high underload, 80C

next upgrade to my PC will be a disk drive

cause my mom and uncle still ask me to burn CDs for them for music in the car

[reef patrol]

Buy a cheap USB based one.

[wheat plume]

and I have to use my old ass laptop

[reef patrol]

Sooooo much more convenient.

[wheat plume]

ooo

maybe

can any disk player burn a CD?

[misty pier]

think so yeah..

[reef patrol]

Any burner drive can.

Which is like 99%

[wheat plume]

h

ah

[misty pier]

I miss using cds :(

[wheat plume]

id like to have an internal one so I dont have another thing laying on my desk

desk space is at a minimum :/

[misty pier]

i mean if you have a 5.25" bay then you could

new cases omit it nowadays

it's just easier to have a usb disc drive though

[wheat plume]

I do have a disk drive bay

[misty pier]

huh, then you could install one if you want but

[wheat plume]

but it seems rather short

[misty pier]

how often would you use it anyways

[wheat plume]

whenever I get asked to make a CD

which is like 4 times a year

[misty pier]

maybe you're better off getting a usb one

[wheat plume]

maybe

:P

indeed

[misty pier]

you could get a bluetooth dongle and plug it into the aux jack in their car

wait..

do they even have an aux jack

[ashen spindle]

cd drive to aux adapter, ez

[wheat plume]

my moms car is way way fancier than mine, it has bluetooth and she answers calls with it using her phone

[misty pier]

my car comes with carplay/android auto so no aux

[wheat plume]

oh

[misty pier]

i plug with usb

[wheat plume]

moms doesnt have carplay

[misty pier]

old cars usually had an aux

I remember my uncle's van had one

[wheat plume]

mom has 100MB m obile data a month, she cant stream music

she wouldnt remember how to anyway even if I show her

can barely use youtube

[misty pier]

download the moosic

[wheat plume]

yeah

I will if she gives me the dang list

[misty pier]

at least we don't use cassettes much anymore

[wheat plume]

OMFH I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CASE!!

IT HAS TWO 2.5" mounts under the GPU :O

thats so neat

[misty pier]

probably

[ashen spindle]

.. that's pretty much a standard for every case now btw

[wheat plume]

Yeah, I got this case cause cheap and didnt look at reviews

[misty pier]

:|

now I wish I done that

[wheat plume]

huh?

[misty pier]

probably would've gotten myself a case with better airflow for itx

and reconsidered my cooling options

like those are the only two things I have buyers remorse over

me didn't read the reviews

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mini-itx/masterbox-nr200/ i wished this came out earlier

it's smol

back then I wasn't sure if I wanted to wait for an ncase m1 or settle for a traditional-sized itx box

[ashen spindle]

CES is in a month, wonder if we see any fancy new cases there

[misty pier]

wonder what's new on the table

[hard thicket]

wait

CES will happen ?

oh great

thought it's also cancled due to covid

btw

https://i.imgur.com/ukEbIpc.png

what the hell does windows read there

[ashen spindle]

well, it's an online event

[hard thicket]

how does that work

will it be streamed ?

[ashen spindle]

idk

i know lisa su is holding the opening keynote again

I assume most of it will be online press briefings like they did with computex

[wheat plume]

so yeah, could have used the psu shroud drive mounts

not have to deal with that awkward sata port angle

[old marlin]

and instead that awkward mount

and trying to get the cables mounted without a ton of stress since sata ports are made out of the most bittle plastic humanity had on hand

[wheat plume]

O.o

[old marlin]

and then you have your SSD mounted randomly visibly in your chassis

only reason I can think of why somebody would want that mount would be for RGB SSDs

which are stupid for other reasons

[wheat plume]

RGB SSDs? .-.

why

[old marlin]

idfk

if you loose performance at least make it so you see them

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13391/the-kingston-hyperx-fury-rgb-ssd-review/9

[wheat plume]

O.o

ew

[edgy hull]

lose perf only if you get the crappy ones. Tho any of the good RGB ones arent on par with premium SSDs afaik anyways so eh

[old marlin]

which rgb ssd is a good one then

[hard thicket]

glad that no 3.5" HDD version of that happend

[old marlin]

btw

https://www.alternate.de/html/product/1685584

alternate has some 5950X in stock atm

[hard thicket]

even tho i fucking hate alternate

that's a opportunity

[old marlin]

why lol

[hard thicket]

awful customer service

[ashen spindle]

also lmao that price

[old marlin]

[hard thicket]

terrible delivery

[old marlin]

friend got banned from mindfactory

cause he refunded one item

don't even remember what it was

iirc a memory kit?

[ashen spindle]

both sites are euqllay scamming with prices atm

[old marlin]

and then there is caseking

[ashen spindle]

the holy trinity of scalping

[zenith sonnet]

@old marlin That's 30€ higher than this morning

[old marlin]

where do you wanna buy then

amazon

xkom?

[misty saffron]

well if you actually took a screenshot of the rest as well, it would've been self explanatory https://up.hw.gl/ix8JVauXqB.png

[hard thicket]

thats self explaining i'd say

[ashen spindle]

idk, I just go to where price is lowest

lmao

[zenith sonnet]

Btw, Mindfactory has had 56, 58, 5900x in stock this morning

[ashen spindle]

sometimes mindf, sometimes proshop, sometimes alternater (lol jk, they never have the cheapest)

[zenith sonnet]

I grabbed that real quick

[old marlin]

I usually only order from alternate when I want stuff quick

since I live right around the corner I can just pick stuff up

also mindfactory has been pure garbage for me at work

I needed 5 emails just so they can make an invoice how I specified it in each single email and gave it in the order

[zenith sonnet]

Guess they're better accustomed to private consumers

Cause I never really had any issues with them

[old marlin]

funnily enough I bought used hardware from alternate employees on kleinanzeigen already

but with mindfactory inventory stickers

[zenith sonnet]

Is that a good place to load off used hardware?

[old marlin]

kleinanzeigen?

ye just be aware of scammers

[zenith sonnet]

Cuz I got a 3700X too many

[old marlin]

alternate apparently is building a much bigger warehouse

[pale sigil]

I just use mh laptop and mount the disc drive as a network drive

I've used it maybe 0 times in 2 years?

[wheat plume]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[vagrant marsh]

shit wrong channel agian

[crisp granite]

is this table revision 1?

[reef patrol]

That's one hell of a portion size.

All I see - Except Supersized.

[restive gate]

pffffff

[crisp granite]

SMH

you don't need a tray

[cursive summit]

@neat oriole How are the Yamahas HPH-MT5?

[crisp granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ogVT5mpg6c&list=PLZbXA4lyCtqo4sIcQQhnPz8WVdPrHA1QF&index=2

see?

[cursive summit]

Worse or better than DT770s?

Or is something like this a better option?

[neat oriole]

Don’t know much about Yamaha, doesn’t get mentioned much in audiophile circles so I assume it’s nothing great.

[cursive summit]

6XX's are a bit on the expensive side sadly

[neat oriole]

You might be better off looking for used 650/600 in the UK

[cursive summit]

Not living in UK

Eastern europe

[neat oriole]

Oh

I saw pounds and figured you’re Uk

[cursive summit]

Nah I usually buy from UK or DE ebay

UK is typically better than DE 😄

[neat oriole]

Maybe look for a sennheiser HD560s

[urban lynx]

arent some yamaha ns monitors like the industry default for studio audio playback though?

[cursive summit]

Are 6XX's the best option here?

[neat oriole]

Speakers aren’t really my thing, I’m more of a headphones guy

[cursive summit]

No Audeze's that trump the 6XX for sub-300$ area?

Or any brand really 😄

[neat oriole]

Audeze is pretty expensive overall

You won’t find something that’s competitive at that price

Try sennheiser HD560s

[cursive summit]

So 6XX is just priced really well?

[neat oriole]

Yeah

But only in NA

Because import taxes

[urban lynx]

https://www.thomann.de/de/yamaha_hs_8.htm

those apparently are in a lot of recording studios

[cursive summit]

I can get DT 770s for 130

[neat oriole]

770 is a skip

Do you need closed backs?

If you must have closed backs you’re better off with an AKG K371

[cursive summit]

I like closed backs for less background bleed

I am a nuisance with my sound for some people

[neat oriole]

Get AKG K371

[cursive summit]

Worse than the 6XX's?

Hm they retail 200 euros here

[neat oriole]

Sound wise yeah but that’s like most closed backs

200 euros too much for them

They should be around 100

[cursive summit]

Ain't 6XX a closed back?

[neat oriole]

No it’s open

[cursive summit]

Does it sound loud to everyone around you?

Yeah cheapest K371 is 200 euros locally

[neat oriole]

I mean it depends how loud you listen

[cursive summit]

Crank that shit up

Nah it's not full, but half way

[cursive summit]

On YT it hangs around here

[neat oriole]

You’re getting scammed

[cursive summit]

Most are sold out

[neat oriole]

Does Thomann not ship to your country or something

[cursive summit]

Never even heard of them

[neat oriole]

They’re good

[cursive summit]

I kinda liked muzpro lately

Decent offerings

[neat oriole]

I live in Canada and I’ve successfully purchased from Thomann

Was cheaper than buying local even with import and shipping

[urban lynx]

damn

[cursive summit]

Ngl though, as a person who likes really high crisp, bombastic audio with great lows

And gaming potential

What category of headphones do I even need?

HiFi, studio?

[neat oriole]

Categories are bs anyways

Most studio stuff don’t even sound good

[crimson wigeon]

"gaming" headphones that boost the lows then obviously

[cursive summit]

I heard good things about ATH-50X's

[neat oriole]

No

Don’t

K371 beats m50x every day

[cursive summit]

Hm some guy is selling Audeze Sine's for 200

Those good?

[neat oriole]

The on ears?

[cursive summit]

Dunno

Seems like it

[neat oriole]

Yeah those look like the sine on ears

They’re not bad but you need to run them off of a lightning port to get the best sound

Also just get AKG K371

+ and you’re set

Although in EU you want a meizu hifi dac

[cursive summit]

Where the hell does the "apple dongle" best dac come from?

[urban lynx]

this comes from studio stuff not altering sound in the slightest. they try to play exactly whats recorded, which is bound to suck.
gotta find a sound feedback pattern that feels best for you, and go with that.
same reason the Hz range itself isnt always a good indicator of whether or not something sounds good

[cursive summit]

Sounds fishy mate

[neat oriole]

No studio stuff doesn’t automatically mean accurate

M50x is branded as studio but it’s literally the most scuffed headphone for music

[urban lynx]

it usually aims for that though

[neat oriole]

It’s literally designed to sound awful

A lot of them are designed to emphasize more unpleasant ranges of the frequency response to help mixers pick out shitty things in their mix

Not to mention half the time they’re more built for durability because studio people are real rough with their equipment

[cursive summit]

Is Aiaiai tma-2 even a brand??

[neat oriole]

M8 just get k371 if you want closed backs that sound good

[urban lynx]

in either way, studio isnt really what one should want to enjoy music

[cursive summit]

^ how so?

[neat oriole]

@cursive summit https://m.thomann.de/intl/akg_k_371.htm?i11l=en_GB%3ADE.EUR

[cursive summit]

I found em no worries

Just looking for other options

How are the Audeze LCD-2's?@neat oriole

Far above my price point, but are Audeze's even that good?

[neat oriole]

Most Audeze are poorly tuned and require eq to make them good

Also bruh

The good LCD 2 is the LCD 2 Fazor

2 Classic is scuffed, 2 Closed is scuffed, 2 Classic Closed is also scuffed

But they’re like 10x the cost of the 371 why are you even looking at them

[cursive summit]

Used market is decent here

[neat oriole]

Not worth

[cursive summit]

Saw some LCD-2's for 700 or something

[neat oriole]

Unless you have 200 more euros to spend on a dac and amp

Or 250 euros

[cursive summit]

Isn't the apple dongle a dac in and out of itself?

[neat oriole]

Eu Apple dongle is gimped by regulations

Standard NA dongle don’t even have enough power for an LCD

Like what is your actual budget

[cursive summit]

300

[neat oriole]

Well if you want closed back under 300 euros then K371 it is

Nothing else

[cursive summit]

Does it need a dac/amp?

[neat oriole]

No

You can get a meizu dongle if your source is noisy

But it’ll run out of anything

[old marlin]

LCD2 on an apple dongle would be funny

and also quiet af

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/7D81HqUXF0s

Mouse that comes with keycaps

[cursive summit]

Looks like something you'd buy

[wheat plume]

nah, I hate mice with holes

[cursive summit]

Don't shoot them then

[old marlin]

the m42 is not bad

I just hate the looks

F&G always looks shit to me

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle Do you think my GPU will be fine using only 2 8 pins

[ashen spindle]

idk, might not even turn on

[pale sigil]

hmm

😦

just hard to find a 1x custom cable

haha

all i can find are packs with 2x

[analog aspen]

@zenith sonnet managed to find the Thaiphoon settings. Our memory bins are EXACTLY the same how did you know? XD
Anyways I don’t think I can get as tight timing as you are without 3rd timings. Close. 14-13-13-28-2N. You run 1.5V right?