🔌│tech

[zenith sonnet]

1067 is fine, no errors

[ashen spindle]

@reef patrol remember all those 3080s on mindfactory? all listing gones, must've sold all lmao

[reef patrol]

Wouldn't surprise me.

[ashen spindle]

the overpriced 6800 are still there

well, one is gone, the others still there

[thick elk]

I expect this to be a sign of stock growing a bit, people are less active on the hunt. Slowly but surely the cards will get in stock.

[ashen spindle]

ehh

it's just non XT cards

so a bit less asked for anyway

for high end people are more willing to overpay

but if a reference non xt is 100€ above Xt msrp? not so much

[thick elk]

I was mostly talking about the 3080's, the 6800's won't be properly available at their rated price for some time I think.

[ashen spindle]

the 3080's were all at like 1050€ lel

[thick elk]

Oh

[ashen spindle]

LMAO

here

[thick elk]

I am in no hurry myself

It makes sense for stores to mark up their cards to be honest.

[reef tundra]

demand and supply 101

[thick elk]

Nvidia / distributers cannot legaly pressure them to sell it at msrp. As far as I know at least there are EU regulations against these practices.

[ashen spindle]

no but they can tell them they wont prioritize them in the next batch for example

[reef tundra]

most likely, some anti-trust law. But you know it, it can go. A bribe here and a fine there.. its not that bad to break the law when you can pay your way out of it

[thick elk]

This is exactly what they cannot do legaly at least.
Proofing it is a different matter however

[ashen spindle]

well, they can just not send them any and send it to others, how tf is the store gonna prove they didn't send it to them bc last time they jacked up prices

and nvidia has been known to strongarm a lot of supply chain partners into deals

[thick elk]

That is absolutely true, and the reason this still happens.

[reef tundra]

Yup, and with enough money and lawyers. It is very hard to make an strong enough case to even attempt to slap them on the hands.

[ashen spindle]

well they wouldn't really do it here as they would not gain money but better pr/standing and they dont need that atm

[thick elk]

Do remember that the margins of these stores are usually pretty slim, price gauging will help their bottom line a lot.

[ashen spindle]

and AMD well, hardware is good finally, software seems to be better (r5k bios issues aside for some boards)

but amd marketing?

[thick elk]

AMD's cpu marketing team is generally fine, their gpu team...

[ashen spindle]

same people

[thick elk]

Yet they blunder a lot more on gpu marketing.

[ashen spindle]

it's segmented into laptop/gaming/workstation/datacenter

iirc

(and integrated)

[thick elk]

Maybe for cpu launches the workstation team has more of a say against the gaming team.

Generally though, they really should just chill and stick to the facts.

[reef tundra]

The retail market is pretty much running on fumes. so you have to suck up to the customers a lot, especially on amazon, ebay, etc. Most common income is usually the mikmacs(useless stuff) you can sell to them at huge margins.

[pale sigil]

fuck me

4 hour teaching raid

[ashen spindle]

think for cpus it's just easier bc it slots into existing stuff and they also get more chip allocation bc higher profit margin

[pale sigil]

didn't managed to order my cooler

[ashen spindle]

dw it'll be restocked before your gpu comes

[thick elk]

The timing for the gpu launch was also quite akward, ramping up at the same time as the new console generation, and a new cpu generation.

[ashen spindle]

well it was supposed to ramp up for summer, not fall

but then covid and such

[thick elk]

Well so are consoles and cpu's problem remains, I think it would have been better if they delayed zen3 on the desktop by a few months, then again OEM contracts would probably problematic there.

[ashen spindle]

nah consoles were always planned for fall for the most part

[thick elk]

GPU's pretty much forced to compete with nvidia, a 6 month delay would not do them any favors. Consoles cannot really be moved but on cpu side they have less competition.

[reef tundra]

Marketing would also have a lot to complain there.

[thick elk]

I would have loved it if marketing was just honest about the gpu launch and said, listen supply is going to be rough for a bit, appoligies in advance.
I think there would have been more understanding at that point.

[ashen spindle]

also for shareholders and datacenter it's important to see a solution executed on schedule to consider it

yeah definitely agree there

[reef tundra]

Shareholders are ruthless and want results... short term gratification is really common.

I would think that datacenters would appriate the notice beforehand, athough. So they can plan for it and adjust the plan as need be.

[ashen spindle]

well for datacenters it's a bit different since they are closer to getting the chips directly, and mass epyc/instinct ammounts are not out yet

but it's good to see the company you bet on is consistent on roadmaps on other segments

if it were just consistent in the DC then it's a high risk that starts to not be consistent as well

[reef tundra]

right, usually made to their specifications.. if they order enough, to make it worth it

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/GCb54PM-x0U?t=27 OO thats so neat

RGB HEADERBARS

[pale sigil]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/LINKUP-Extension-Sleeved-Custom-Braided/dp/B07JBN1RY6/ref=sr_1_84?dchild=1&keywords=CableMod&qid=1607298417&sr=8-84

@reef patrol

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvrrWliqq7c&feature=emb_logo

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume CSS for the OS ui?.....

[wheat plume]

yeah, thats basically what GTK themes are

CSS

and icons for widgets

[pale sigil]

TIL

[restive gate]

is there something wrong with that...?

[wheat plume]

have you never looked into the folder for any theme?

[restive gate]

why dev something new if webdevs have already done all the work for you

[wheat plume]

^^ yeah its handy

easy to use and easy for people to design new themes

as long as they know the node names

[fickle ore]

5800x is so much faster than 5950x holy hell 😄

[wheat plume]

Why buy the X versions? you can do that yourself and save money

[restive gate]

hmm? you mean in single core?

[fickle ore]

watch the videyo

[ashen spindle]

channel is new to me

[pale sigil]

ye the 5950x is weird

[restive gate]

they don't exist for 5th gen yet

[pale sigil]

also never heard of that channel

[ashen spindle]

time to see what the methodology is

[wheat plume]

hmm... no non X version? odd

[ashen spindle]

oh wait nvm I remember the avatar from discussions

[fickle ore]

every game 5800x is on top with nvidia gpu 🙂

ggs

good buy

[restive gate]

the theory is that they're going to release em later as a value option

[wheat plume]

Oooohhhhh

right

[restive gate]

like with Intel's F series

[wheat plume]

neat

[ashen spindle]

nah the theroy is there just wont be a non x variant

lower numbered parts sure

5300, 5100 etc.

[restive gate]

I've heard both, not sure what the point of the X is if they don't plan on another variant tho

[ashen spindle]

hm if he says it comes from one CCX, why didn't he confirm his theory by using a 5950x with one disabled ccd?

the point of the X is a marketing name, nothing more

[restive gate]

except (generally speaking) AMD has been pretty good about not just throwing pointless marketing terms into the names of their products

So I would be surprised if they just decided to throw an x on to the name of every processor for seemingly no reason

[ashen spindle]

easy, so you know it's for desktop

[ashen spindle]

a 5600U will be laptop

[restive gate]

but that's not what you said like 4 minutes ago

[fickle ore]

@pale sigil eww that 120mm cooler

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4621994

cant win in here

[restive gate]

that's great if it's just to denote desktop processors, but that's not 'just a marketing name'

[fickle ore]

@pale sigil https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NF-A12x25-PWM-Premium-Quality-Quiet/dp/B07C5VG64V

this 1

[restive gate]

everytime they show a cooler in here that's different from the last one, someone shoots it down

[pale sigil]

I wanted black haha

[restive gate]

hence the very understandable frustration

[fickle ore]

she? its he I think

last I checked

[pale sigil]

its

[fickle ore]

kekw

[ashen spindle]

imo it is just marketing, bc you don't see them call it vermeer/cezanne/lucienne but 5600(x)(u)

[fickle ore]

I'm kinda fked intel might still lead with 4600/cl17 memory :c

[misty pier]

didnt you want the aio callum

[pale sigil]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lian-li-galahad-240mm-high-performance-rgb-cpu-water-cooler-white-hs-006-ll.html

WOULD YOU PREFER I GET THIS

I CANT WIN

[misty pier]

🤷‍♀️

what do you want man

make up your mind

[pale sigil]

WHITE

or black

and good

AIO = White

Air = White or Black

[misty pier]

just go for air man

[fickle ore]

this is quite promising tho

[ashen spindle]

also, 5600 XT or no letter is also a GPU name from AMD so I feel like thats another reason they should avoid using either for the cpu

[pale sigil]

If i could get the dh15 again life would be easier ;-;

[misty pier]

then get it >:|

[pale sigil]

cant

my dedicatd wam is to big

[fickle ore]

@pale sigil nh-d15s chromax + one brown 120mm kekw

[ashen spindle]

just get the u12 and be done

[misty pier]

then settle for the 120mm cooler

[pale sigil]

I posted that but i got an ew

[ashen spindle]

ffs you're having a 5600x not a threadripper

[pale sigil]

yes but

perty

😉

[misty pier]

well if you care so much about aesthetics

[fickle ore]

GET NH-D15S CHROMAS + NF-A12x25!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best setup

[misty pier]

get that heatsink cover

[ashen spindle]

tf is perty

[fickle ore]

purty

[restive gate]

reject crowd pleasing

buy a tec

[ashen spindle]

like you're cooling a 50W cpu for most of your usage, quite often even less

my fucking decade old lamp in the ceiling uses more

[pale sigil]

haha

[restive gate]

that do be the joke fren

[pale sigil]

its more about looks tbh

[misty pier]

the man cares about a e s t h e t i c s

[ashen spindle]

no need for a d15 with 17 fans

[pale sigil]

i care about both

[misty pier]

he wants something blingy

[pale sigil]

i dont wanna put a shitty looking cooler in

no i just want simple white or black

[ashen spindle]

yeah hence the U12 is absolutely fine if you like the look

[restive gate]

tec coolers are ok looking, and everyone will advise against them unless you're using threadripper

[misty pier]

yk you can get a heatsink cover

[restive gate]

you can't please everyone, but you can piss em all off at the same time

[fickle ore]

let him buy a NH-D15S and nf-a12x25!!!!!!!!!!

gigachad cooling setup

[ashen spindle]

I would, but he doesnt want to

[misty pier]

if you really care that much then go spend another $20 to make it look better

🗿

[pale sigil]

doesn't the dh15s still cover the ram

[misty pier]

dude just remove the fan that goes over the ram

[ashen spindle]

just dont put the fan in the front

[restive gate]

I've got a solution, mod an Intel stock cooler

[misty pier]

it will work just fine without a fan up front

[fickle ore]

@pale sigil NO IT DOESNT

[misty pier]

yeah just do that

[restive gate]

yet people wonder why the most popular cooler is just an H212

[fickle ore]

DH15S doesnt have front fan and when u put 120mm it has 6.5mm clear!!!!

can put all ram in 6.5mm!

[pale sigil]

RIP my RBG ram

xD

[restive gate]

ye that

[pale sigil]

i was gonna set it as white but guess not gonna happen now

at least not all sticks

haha

[restive gate]

clearance isn't the issue, its a e s t h e t i c s

[misty pier]

i mean just get light strips if you want it to bling 🗿

[pale sigil]

nah it was

i didn't realise you could use the dh15s so well

[wheat plume]

broadcom wireless? I have an Intel wifi card

[restive gate]

man ya'll have no chill

[restive gate]

weird, is it the wired perhaps?

[fickle ore]

callum been shopping a cooler for a week now

[wheat plume]

RGB ram

[pale sigil]

wish these covers weren't so annoying to find

*2 days

[reef tundra]

Did nvidia fix the driver for the new linux kernel yet?

[restive gate]

isn't that the question of the decade

[pale sigil]

Listen mate, i wanna make my dream build for once, fite me.

[wheat plume]

nope...

[pale sigil]

im sick and tired in just getting hardware

[restive gate]

that's very strange

[pale sigil]

i wanna make something im proud of

[wheat plume]

:D awesome

[restive gate]

that's fair, but also yolo

[fickle ore]

@pale sigil im trying to build u your dream pc without disco lights

[pale sigil]

it wont have disco lights...

it has RGB Ram which ill set to white

[restive gate]

no matter how many times it's said, people seem to refuse the fact that they can't choose someone's opinion for them

[fickle ore]

lies

[restive gate]

sounds nice, if that's what you want, then do it

[wheat plume]

I feel I just wanna get an RGB strip and wrap it around the edges of the case to light up the inside

id set it to a gradient

[restive gate]

generally how those are used, yes

[wheat plume]

cyan and purple maybe

[ashen spindle]

we can't chose someone's opinion for them but if they ask we can answer, it's not like we just comment on callums (yet to be made) purchase for no reason

he asked for feedback xD

[pale sigil]

i just dont wanna make a mistake

:/

[fickle ore]

rgb is mistake because its no christmas yet bud, your gf will thank you

[misty pier]

there is no mistake between the aio or this cooler

[reef tundra]

Dont worry, it will be an fact.. if you are like me... hehe

[ashen spindle]

you could literally paint the stock cooler in white and it'd do fine, in the end you literally just decide on what look you want

[misty pier]

callum has never heard of our lord and savior, plastidip

[pale sigil]

Stock cooler is a jet engine

haha

[ashen spindle]

and we cant comment on that so we can just tell you the rest is fine

no because you'll almost never be at max load with the cpu

[restive gate]

stock cooler Intel or AMD?

[pale sigil]

ive heard the amd coolers for amd...

they get loud for no reason

[restive gate]

cuz on AMD it's fine

[misty pier]

set a fan curve

[ashen spindle]

yeah if you go max load 88W maybe, you wont get above 50Watt

[reef tundra]

Mine is cooling great and keeps it cool enough at high loads

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/mL5JtmcYJYs

just gonna put this here

[edgy hull]

I had stock for a few days, was fine till I OCed

[restive gate]

I don't plan on buying a cooler for my next build, and just using the stock one, and I'm going for a 5900x, it'll be fine

[restive gate]

that's an old one

[ashen spindle]

uhh, you know that one has no stock cooler?

unless you have one already

[restive gate]

it has a picture of one on the box

[wheat plume]

thats the cooler I have...

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/cCqSOLbm3NI

[edgy hull]

5600x is only Zen3 CPU with stock cooler (as of now at least)

[ashen spindle]

5600x is the only r5k coming with one

[restive gate]

and the websites all say that it has one

[reef tundra]

ahhh, else the thermal throttling will keep the temperature in check

[restive gate]

this is the same one as above tho

[ashen spindle]

5800x, says it has no cooler

[wheat plume]

the box would not be that big if it didnt have a cooler

[wheat plume]

I saw that just now

[reef tundra]

I have heard that most high end AMD cpu's dont come with an cooler.

[wheat plume]

I guess the logic is that if you afford a high end CPU, you must have watercooling or your own cooler already and wont use the stock

[pale sigil]

thats the point

why pay for a cooler

when you prob wont use it

[wheat plume]

yep

[misty pier]

its nice to have it as a backup

[restive gate]

but it doesn't make much sense when all these cpus are well within the thermal limitations of the stock

[fickle ore]

logic is that a 5800x needs a top of the line solution and amd aint gonna start a fan company for it in-house

[reef tundra]

Probably. the only ones buying those are going to buy an 3th party cooler anyways, so wasting the box space for an cooler that most will junk anyways, would be better to let the consumer figure that problem out.

and it lowers the amount of emails of the fan being loud to cool the huge amount of heat development.

[wheat plume]

Maybe I should get a better cooler

[pale sigil]

little confused

tbh

Lian Li Galahad is via benchmarks better than the dh15

[restive gate]

on that specific CPU?

[pale sigil]

3950x

under pressure

[restive gate]

dunno

[restive gate]

what site?

oh GN

that's within margin of error tbf

[pale sigil]

point is

it should be good

[restive gate]

oh good enough certainly

didn't realize that was up for debate

[wheat plume]

It's also faster
So louder

[restive gate]

I thought people where arguing the value proposition

[pale sigil]

well yes

but lana

you have to bare in mind this is under load

[wheat plume]

Ye
True

[pale sigil]

if its anything like hwne i had my h100i

i would always use it on medium

[restive gate]

and you've also got a good 40C to play with

so you could just loosen the fan curve

[pale sigil]

thats what im thinking

my only issue

with this cooler is i dont think its controller via software

[misty pier]

nope, think there's a little controller

[pale sigil]

tbh i was considering swapping it in the future for white noctua fans too

lol

also ye a controller

fuck physical controller

[misty pier]

so uhh

pick your poison then

[pale sigil]

idealy kraken haha but fuck them prices

so fucking cool

[restive gate]

what about arctic?

[pale sigil]

i dont think they have a white one?

[restive gate]

they've got some good white stuff no?

[pale sigil]

ohh

have thy

nope

xD

[restive gate]

I thought that was kinda they're shtick

ah, well, sorry for the goose chase then

[misty pier]

does it have to be in white?

[pale sigil]

yes

its the theme im going for

[restive gate]

a e s t h e t i c remember?

[misty pier]

mate

at this point I'll say just paint the damn thing

[pale sigil]

im to useless to do that

[misty pier]

gotta put in some work to make the dream.. work

[pale sigil]

[restive gate]

you could get an airbrush

then you don't even need to be good

[pale sigil]

i tried to make my custom keeeb dream working

i lost $220

[wheat plume]

Where the psu go?

[pale sigil]

behind

[misty pier]

dual chamber

its behind the mobo

[wheat plume]

Oo

[restive gate]

it's an 011 dynamic, those keep the PSU on the right side

ye

[wheat plume]

I see

[pale sigil]

Oh god

i want that case now

[wheat plume]

That case looks neat but there is little ventilation

[pale sigil]

Lana

[restive gate]

something wrong with the ASUS/Corsair options?

[pale sigil]

that case is pretty godly

[misty pier]

dont recommend asus

[wheat plume]

Probably so if you have water-cooling

[misty pier]

i have an asus aio

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume Iits literally the best thermal case on the market

[wheat plume]

O o

[misty pier]

yeah weird right?

all glass and does well

[wheat plume]

With the fans it's comes with?

[pale sigil]

FUCK YES

[wheat plume]

Oooo pretty

[wheat plume]

Vertically mounted GPU
Nice nice

[pale sigil]

tbh....

[misty pier]

if they can make that but for sff, then i might be interested

[pale sigil]

id have to wait till mid jan

for that case

idk if i can be bothered

[misty pier]

have patience

[pale sigil]

@misty pier they did

the mini

Also ive waited since Sept lad

i have my cpu in a box and gpu on its way

[wheat plume]

I like my case
It's boring af looking but the sides come off with thumbscrews and a little slide towards the back

No screwdrivers needed

[misty pier]

thats nice

[wheat plume]

If I was to get a case later on, I'd make sure it had that

[pale sigil]

What im aiming for

minus black cooler

[wheat plume]

Oh wow

I like that

[pale sigil]

Any case since like 2010 as been like this

lol

[wheat plume]

Nope....

I've seen a case recently you need a screwdriver

[pale sigil]

*most cases

[wheat plume]

And one you need to take the front panel off first to be able to take the side panel off

[pale sigil]

hmm

i wanna sell this cpu but im a little worried about using paypal

ive heard awful things about selling goods to people using it

@reef patrol have you sold stuff over paypal?

[pale sigil]

Ok can someone explain how rgb sync works on monos these days

Ok so aura sync

Ok so you can connect the fans to the rgb controller on the mobo and control using aura

[misty pier]

yeah

aura just does not work for me though

software is bugged

[hard thicket]

good old rgb vomit

[hard thicket]

any rgb software is bugged somehow

gigabytes fusion goes even so far and causes BSOD

[zenith sonnet]

There's really only two way for AMD to go about stock coolers with Zen 3:
Either most of them are ending up in a closet, unused
Or they pack a top of the line thermal solution worth 50€ that actually outperforms some of the 30€ tower coolers most people buy

[restive gate]

It seems like the raith is in a comfortable grey area imo

[reef patrol]

If it's Quinn, yes.

Otherwise I use my card.

[zenith sonnet]

Oh, btw, anyone need a 3700X

[ashen spindle]

my case arrived time to build later

[pale sigil]

Mine is coming in an hour

Tempted to start building it

Lol people want my 5600x

Have a guy driving 1 hour

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

Also....

My sister just doesn't understand why you can't really even game on low on an Intel low power cpu laptop

Trying to explain you can but you need to play at 720p low with tweaks to do it

[vagrant marsh]

Did youuse the car comparisment? You can buy a car that goes only 20kmh, and it will get you there, but it will go much faster with a ferrari.

"But callum, i cant afford a ferrari"

"Welcome to my world lil sis 🥲 "

Maybe ur sis is only used to browser games? Most of them dont need much power.

[halcyon moss]

i'd use a towing meaphor tbh :p

cant tow a trailer with a bicicle. 😉

[ashen spindle]

The biggest Swiss retailer to receive 35 Radeon RX 6900 XT graphics cards for launch

[pale sigil]

Sold the 5600x

Cool dude, he ordered from the same place and it was his last piece

[halcyon moss]

why did you sell it?

[ashen spindle]

he got 2

[halcyon moss]

oh, nice

scalping

[pale sigil]

No

Not scalping

I ordered from 2 pslces with the intent of getting one before the other

And cancelling the second

But they both came the same day

Ocuk magically got 200 cpus

[ashen spindle]

LMAO so apparently someone stole 40 boxes of 3090s from a msi factory in china

https://twitter.com/GoFlying8/status/1335856080711110658

夕惕若厉 (@GoFlying8)

MSI Chinese mainland factory was stolen, stolen 40 boxes RTX3090, the total value of 2200000RMB ......😓
MSI has been officially announced and informed to the police ,Reward of 100000 RMB for reporting effective information.

Twitter · Dec 7, 2020, 7:58 AM

stolen value of like 350k usd?

[pale sigil]

Ooft

Easy money

[pale sigil]

I'm offended lad

[halcyon moss]

there there, it was a joke

missed the /s i guess

https://giphy.com/gifs/pokemon-pikachu-SHyuhBtRr8Zeo

[pale sigil]

Meh

I think I'll start building my desktop

Wack the mobo and cpu in with the stock cooler

And my m2 drive

[halcyon moss]

AMD stock cooler aint bad

[pale sigil]

ik ik

[ashen spindle]

https://www.digitec.ch/en/page/find-out-all-you-need-about-our-amd-radeon-6900-xt-graphics-card-raffle-18445

for any swiss people that want a chance at getting one lmao

(they dont do delivery to other countries)

[halcyon moss]

6900 xt are the benchmarks out yet?

[ashen spindle]

nope tomorrow 3pm

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume told you mine was worse

[reef patrol]

laughs in RGB fan hell

[wheat plume]

other than one cable, its basically the same as mine

[pale sigil]

Huh I didn't realise there was an unplugged 1tb drive

[wheat plume]

O.o

is your front IO on the other side?

[halcyon moss]

What is cable management?
its too much effort. case is closed anyway, and it doesnt impede airflow in a meaningful way

[wheat plume]

true :')

you only care about not showing cables on the clear glass side

[pale sigil]

Never thought I'd say this

But I have to many ssds

[wheat plume]

Gimme some <3

[ashen spindle]

time to SSD NAS

[wheat plume]

id love to replace this 5400RPM drive with an SSD

but 1TB SSDs are expensive

[halcyon moss]

€100 is not expensive tbh

a lot of money maybe :p

[pale sigil]

Christ

[wheat plume]

what?

they are way more than 100

[pale sigil]

I botched the thermal paste

I did it last Xmas day and just couldn't be assed

[fickle ore]

@pale sigil In case of ryzen just spread it evenly so full IHS is covered

dont leave any spot not covered

[ashen spindle]

up to 2 TB you can usually get them for 1€ per 10gb, so 100 for 1TB, 200 for 2TB

unless you go for fancy SLC/MLC ssd variants

[pale sigil]

GG I had a 500gb 7200rpm drive in here too without realising

[halcyon moss]

samsung sata 870 is not cheap

WE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE LANA

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

100 seems cheap

for 1TB

[fickle ore]

dont buy a sata ssd christ

[wheat plume]

why not

they plenty fast

[fickle ore]

because I say so

[reef patrol]

If you have room for an NVME you might as well get one tbh.

[halcyon moss]

if there is m2 nvme for the same price, get that instead

[pale sigil]

Haven't taken my nvme out yet

[halcyon moss]

because nvme IS faster theoraticaclly

[ashen spindle]

jfc

[wheat plume]

I think i do, there is another m.2 slot on the board but idk if its for data and just for wifi

[fickle ore]

directstorage api won't work with sata based ssd's so you're fucked for future

[wheat plume]

😅

[ashen spindle]

also, no sata = no sata cable needed :p

[pale sigil]

One was a dedicated Linux drive for a few weeks

[ashen spindle]

and then it died from dust?

[fickle ore]

oh yeah the horror of sata cables

[pale sigil]

No

[wheat plume]

True, if I get another sata drive, id need another sata cable

[pale sigil]

It was Linux so I gave up

[ashen spindle]

kek

[halcyon moss]

no cables in the box?

motherboard box

[wheat plume]

I got 2 sata cables with my motherboard, one straight and one right angled

the right angled one came in so useful for the storage drive

[pale sigil]

Fucking hell I cba with sata cables

Buying a 2tb nvme is way out my budget

But I might have too

[ashen spindle]

you can get 2tb nvme for the same price as 2tb sata ssd

[halcyon moss]

yeah they are mostly the same price, but way faster

[wheat plume]

4 sata ports, 2 being used

[fickle ore]

I hope nvme gens don't have any limits when it comes to directstorage

like say gen 1.4 requirement

havent bought a new SSD for my new pc yet, prob gonna install my stuff on a 256gb 840 pro

[halcyon moss]

O_o so smoll

[wheat plume]

(my two SSDs are 256GB)

[ashen spindle]

iirc there is not real requirement for direct storage that need anything really new

since it works over the pcie bus that should have all the specs since gen 3, prob even 2 for most

[halcyon moss]

256gb is windows + a mayor game and its full

(major?)

[wheat plume]

Major indeed

[ashen spindle]

oh right, I wont need sata cables when I build my pc later

only got the nvme

legit excited about that lmao

[wheat plume]

itll be akward to transfer stuff from this drive if I get a large SSD

Unless I get an m.2 ssd

[cursive summit]

My gf did the most female thing I have seen

We got a Usb c to c cable and I have a single usb c port oj the back of the mobo

The cable doesn't reach deep enough to connect

I was like yeah I'll just remove the I/O shield, it's causing the problem

By the time I found a screwdriver to unscrew the mobo and get the I/o shield out

He ripped out a chunk of the I/O with pliers

And she's like "It's connected now!"

[wheat plume]

O.o

you need new mobo now??

[cursive summit]

Nah

She cut it out nicely

Just.. I don't support I/O destruction

And she was happy about destroying that thing

[wheat plume]

show....

wtf??

how can you cut out IO and have the mobo still work??!

[cursive summit]

I/O PLATE

[ashen spindle]

... the io shield is not part of the board

[cursive summit]

Or shield yeah

[wheat plume]

oooh

thought you meant the actual IO

[cursive summit]

No?

[ashen spindle]

io shields are garbage anyway and im so glad boards are moving away from it

[cursive summit]

I even said in the original message, I/O shield

Ah females, never change 😄

Perfect ying and yang

[wheat plume]

I cant do python ;-;

[halcyon moss]

you cant do pandas

[wheat plume]

yeah :/

[halcyon moss]

pandas != python

or..

pandas is not python

[wheat plume]

its in python

[halcyon moss]

a confusing lib will be confusiing in any language

[wheat plume]

how I remove that line that says "Name: name, dtype: object"?

[cursive summit]

Do pythons eat pandas?

[wheat plume]

and the index.... 4 , 0 and 0

[cursive summit]

Isn't that the output?

[wheat plume]

I want just the name of the game

[halcyon moss]

you're not printing the value, you're printing the row

[cursive summit]

Just change the code a wee bit

[wheat plume]

how print just value?

[halcyon moss]

i dont know

[ashen spindle]

similar to how you access a row there's going to be a way to grab the index that relates to the value

how is something idk bc I dont python

[wheat plume]

we never did python before this and we get tossed into the deep end to do data analytics using pandas and matplotlib and seaborn

[halcyon moss]

pandas is very creative with thep ython syntax.. i hate it personally.

@wheat plume cant you just .name ?

[wheat plume]

the most WTF syntax is this
it finds each row in the weather copndition column that quals a certain value then gets the corresponding value from the rents column and finds the average of that rent column

[halcyon moss]

https://pythoninoffice.com/get-values-rows-and-columns-in-pandas-dataframe/

[wheat plume]

same output

[halcyon moss]

pands hurts my brain

[wheat plume]

same ;-;

[pale sigil]

[halcyon moss]

i was gonna say, thats clean!

but.. notthing is connected :p

[wheat plume]

:')

[pale sigil]

Hahahaha

[wheat plume]

I kinda want a white case now

it would show less dust

[misty pier]

just paint it white

[wheat plume]

and show off the components better cause they black

[misty pier]

easy

[wheat plume]

oh?

id have to careful about the front panel though

[misty pier]

I feel like I’m shilling for plastidip again, but you can plastidip it white so you can peel it off later down the line if you hate it

[wheat plume]

peel it off
o, thats interesting

[misty pier]

yeah

it’s forgiving compared to spray paint

although you probably need to prep your surface

[ashen spindle]

it's even great for LN2 overclocking bc you can cover some areas so they won't short circuit with water

[wheat plume]

Apparently the motherboard can be dipped into water and still work once dried

[misty pier]

yeah it’s non conductive

it’s literally liquified rubber

[pale sigil]

I guess this mobo needs 12 pins now?...

[ashen spindle]

well, yeah if you dont have it plugged in water can do anything if there is no current running

[halcyon moss]

except cause corrosion down the line

[misty pier]

maybe the extra 4 pins is for a power hungry cpu

[old marlin]

Or fry components that relied on passively cooling themselves

[pale sigil]

Always wondered this

Does it matter which side is plugged in

Both sides are 8 pin but one is 4+4

[old marlin]

Usually not

[misty pier]

I think they should be keyed so you can’t mess up which way you install it

[halcyon moss]

on my 3700x, i needed a psu upgrade, old psu shut off when running star citizen

[old marlin]

Depends on the psu obv

[ashen spindle]

with just a 3700x? wtf kinda china psu do you have

[misty pier]

my 3700x doesn’t even slurp juice

[halcyon moss]

it only had one cpu power plug

it was a be quiet

it ran fine for 6 years

[misty pier]

it lived quite a while huh

[ashen spindle]

Just finished installing my cpu

[pale sigil]

So far clean

I'm replacing all cables with customs anyway

Soon

[halcyon moss]

that sounds like a waste of money

[misty pier]

man wants a e s t h e t i c s

no price is too high for that

[ashen spindle]

If you want a white board btw https://image1280.macovi.de/images/product_images/1280/1369459_2__74219-2.jpg

[misty pier]

clean

[pale sigil]

I hate usb headers

[cursive summit]

I hate cable management more

And SATA cables

[pale sigil]

Leaving my front audio unplugged haha

Cba

Don't use it anyway

My worst enemy of all. Builds

[reef patrol]

Easy peasy

[pale sigil]

With my fat fingers nah

[reef patrol]

😆

[wheat plume]

my fingers are kind of slim and I had issues connecting the right angled sata connector

[reef patrol]

The angled end is for the harddrive to be fair.

Almost always impossible to make use of those on the motherboard end.

[ashen spindle]

feel like I should find some sort of cable to act as anti static connection for me before I build this thing

dont really need one usually but this stupid case already zapped me twice today lmao

[wheat plume]

O.o

[reef patrol]

The static buildup from removing a case from the box tends to shock you a bit a few times 😄

[ashen spindle]

the question is, wtf do I touch to make sure I have none left lol

[reef patrol]

Something with ground.

[wheat plume]

Radiator

[reef patrol]

A good old fashioned radiator usually does the trick.

[ashen spindle]

yeah the thing is I dont remember my radiator ever zapping me but I guess I just rarely had some build up

aha

genius idea

[misty pier]

I touch my case to ground myself out

[ashen spindle]

I'll just build up some static and test when I can get rid of it

ye case was my next idea

[pale sigil]

How have we not made a new standard

[misty pier]

for what

[pale sigil]

Front panel wires

[hard thicket]

petition to make sata cables with some kind of properly working hooks on the ssd side

[misty pier]

think some cases make it easier to install

[hard thicket]

that shit never sticks

[misty pier]

they have an adapter you just stick on

[ashen spindle]

petition to get rid of sata please

[hard thicket]

agreed

m.2 rules

[ashen spindle]

pcie all the things

[hard thicket]

yesterday, i removed the last remaining sata drives from my rig

i feel like a new person

unfortunately i got just two m.2 slots

[misty pier]

yeah I’d rather use sata over usb anyday

[hard thicket]

fortunately i bought two 4tb m.2's

[crimson wigeon]

But they told me eSATA was the future!

[misty pier]

I can’t use my 2nd m.2 slot without reducing the speeds on my gpu from pciex16 to pciex8

[reef patrol]

I mean... it kind of was.

[hard thicket]

i thought mini pci was

[reef patrol]

The problem with eSATA was the continued need for external power.

[pale sigil]

Haha shit

[hard thicket]

sounds like a awfully shitty board

[ashen spindle]

time for pcie4/5 to come around so you get more lanes

[pale sigil]

My mobo doesn't have USB c

On the mobo

[misty pier]

it’s itx

[hard thicket]

i got also itx

[ashen spindle]

no usb c on mine either, but I got thunderbolt lol

[misty pier]

I’m probably getting an x570 board so I could use the other slot

[pale sigil]

Awk

[hard thicket]

both m.2s are capable of pcie4.0 and the 16x aswell

at the same time

[misty pier]

but I don’t want those chipset fans either

[reef patrol]

I only have one 3.1 (USB-C) and one USB 3 header, but my case is built for all three. #FirstWorldProblems

[pale sigil]

My front io is one usb c and one USB 3.1 😭

[misty pier]

that’s why I still like my x470 board

[pale sigil]

I was gonna use the USB c port too

Ah well

[ashen spindle]

well there are a few x570 with no fan iirc

[hard thicket]

i got two fans on my board, and they can be regulated

i can disable them entirely

[misty pier]

that’s a blessing then

hopefully this board I’m getting will allow that

[hard thicket]

well for a 400$ board i expect it to be

[misty pier]

jfc

[hard thicket]

the 570x strix itx can do that too

so there is that

still on the pricy end

with 250 ish bucks

[misty pier]

the board I was looking at went at $260 plus tax

[hard thicket]

probably the strix

[misty pier]

yeah

my board I have rn is the strix

[hard thicket]

the 470 one

still not a bad board tho

[misty pier]

yeah it isn’t

I like this board a lot

[hard thicket]

the thing i hate about the strix is, there is no cmos reset

[misty pier]

yeah I have to stick my screwdriver in there

[hard thicket]

or a q-code reader

its a life saver

for troubleshooting

[wheat plume]

q code ? q code reader?

[misty pier]

q-code on itx seems kind of

[hard thicket]

well my dtx has it

[misty pier]

oh you got that board

I thought about getting it once but I changed my mind

I don’t really need much

I would like a separate m.2 for another os though

but I have to partition my main m.2 for manjaro and windows

[hard thicket]

its a good one

but expensive

for what it offers

[misty pier]

yeah I don’t do crazy overclocking or anything like that

[hard thicket]

yeah then you are way better off with the strix one

[misty pier]

yeah it fits what I need

[hard thicket]

or why dont you go with the b550 solutions, i think they offer enough bandwidth on the lanes as the 570 does

on ITX atleast

[misty pier]

yeah I’ve compared

the x570 has more USB ports for me

I plug in a lot of stuff

[hard thicket]

oh that definetly

get a 3.2 gen 2 hub, and use that

[misty pier]

there’s even usb c which makes it even sweeter

[hard thicket]

thats what i did, works like a charm

[misty pier]

my board doesn’t have that

is it expensive?

[hard thicket]

no on the 550

not that much

for a quality one 50 bucks perhaps

[misty pier]

yikes

[hard thicket]

well quality one

[misty pier]

I never really used hubs though

[hard thicket]

then its time, it will also help with cable managment

[misty pier]

cable management.. 😂

my desk is a mess on the back

I’m honestly too lazy to rewire everything

[hard thicket]

you disappoint me

[wheat plume]

Cable management? What's that?

[misty pier]

my cable management in my pc is somewhat better

[hard thicket]

lana pls

[misty pier]

yeah mine looks somewhat similar

I got too lazy tying down everything

[hard thicket]

i mean, i've seen worse

so there is still hope

[misty pier]

I have given up hope

but it all works and I don’t ever see it so

it’s all fine in my book

[wheat plume]

oo

[hard thicket]

i mean thats somewhat organized ?

if you've given up that whole thing would've been on the ground

[misty pier]

I didn’t like having it on the ground

I can’t clean things that are scattered on the ground 🗿

[misty pier]

like if there are cables on the ground, it’s all covered in dust and my hair

[hard thicket]

hope restored

[pale sigil]

I love cable management

Hate thst I'm putting my 1070ti in there

Hahahahha

But may as well

[misty pier]

at least my pc don’t look bad 😔👏

[hard thicket]

me too

i have sinned

[misty pier]

why do you have 6 tiny fans on the bottom

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/apple-reportedly-developing-high-end-32-core-cpus-and-128-core-gpus

[hard thicket]

because hexa 40mm radiator

which uses 6 40mm fans

[ashen spindle]

now do I want to risk it and put in the board

[cursive summit]

How well does Arm architecture scale with high core counts?

[ashen spindle]

or do I update bios first hmmm

[misty pier]

certified wack

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle cpu power now 8+4

Is that normal now

[reef patrol]

Yes and no.

It's a bit of a gimmick.

[misty pier]

also remind me to never build itx again

[reef patrol]

The added pins is supposed to help with more stable power and "extreme overclocking".

My board has 2x8

[pale sigil]

So should I do not or what

[reef patrol]

If your PSU has two EPS cables go nuts

[pale sigil]

Ye

[reef patrol]

I wouldn't buy a new PSU for it though.

[ashen spindle]

the bios to support the cpu is from the 18.09 I really wanna be lazy and not do the q flash with no cpu etc installed

[misty pier]

but being lazy means there’s a risk of failure 🤔

[solar hinge]

it just didn't want you to play a bad game :p

[ashen spindle]

eh, they have q flash so I might as well make use of it I guess

[solar hinge]

@pale sigil is that the 4000d or something (the case)?

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle if u have no cpu yet might aswell until agesa 1.1.8.0

[ashen spindle]

well you see

I would like my pc to boot lol

I have everything

case came today that was the last part

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/7u1miYJmJ_4 hmmm

[ashen spindle]

fuck do I not have a usb stick around lol

nvm found one

[fickle ore]

u liking the lian li?

[ashen spindle]

idk havent turned it on yet to see if the fans are nice

was able to get it out of the box so 10/10 so far I guess

[fickle ore]

mm

for me it was good, the screwholes were 100% spot on the mobo holes and I/o spot was easy to put into

10 years ago those screwholes and mobo holes just wouldnt match.. tolerances have def improved 😛

[wheat plume]

yeah, my motherboard rear IO matches perfectly with my case

[ashen spindle]

great guess this usb stick is dead zzz

yup this one's dead, next one seems to work lmao

[wheat plume]

aw damn

[wheat plume]

huh? my ssd and hdd have two cables plugged into them

[old marlin]

turns out I had 70gb of random images and isos

[wheat plume]

noice...

[pale sigil]

I haven't put the Sata ports in yet

Which so what you're thinking of

[wheat plume]

ah right

[reef patrol]

Nice clickbait.

[pale sigil]

It's alive

It's alive and I knew it, my restart button is my power button 😂😂

[wheat plume]

rgb ram

[crisp granite]

I just got the BSOD

yay

PCMR

[pale sigil]

Same

😂

Ugh oh

Memory management crash

[wheat plume]

restart button?

[reef patrol]

He swapped the power and reset wires.

So his power button does a reset and vice versa

[pale sigil]

Oh it seems scan tweaked a lot of settings in the bios

Could be that

[wheat plume]

I need to put my ram back up to 3200MHz

[ashen spindle]

nice looks like q flash worked

[pale sigil]

Up to?.....

[ashen spindle]

leds did the thing they were supposed to do

[wheat plume]

yeah, thats the speed they say on the box

but its not enabeld by default

[pale sigil]

Ye whatever tweaks they did

Messed with my ram

[crisp granite]

should I mess with ram timings and stuff like that, or is XMP profiles ok?

[pale sigil]

Oh

[ashen spindle]

enabling xmp is good enough for you probably

[pale sigil]

My ram is running at 2666

Lol wtf

[crisp granite]

current speeds are 3733mhz cl17

is that good enough?

or should I drop speeds for lower latency?

[pale sigil]

Also I proper shat myself removing the side panel

Never had glass before.

Hahaha

[ashen spindle]

you could try manually reduce the timings, but thats up to you to test etc.

[crisp granite]

would it make a noticable difference?

[ashen spindle]

single digit fps in 1080p games if you're lucky

[vagrant marsh]

if tuned correctly, yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYhwBk8GE6M

[crisp granite]

hm

I don't have a stellar ram kit like GN has

[ashen spindle]

just make sure to stress test the ram after you do it so you dont get a new game in 3 months and forgot your ram is oc'd and it crashes bc of it

[crisp granite]

smert

I shall test with the most demanding game I have

GTA IV

jk

[vagrant marsh]

i think this can be done with any memory

[crisp granite]

to the same extent, doubt it

[wheat plume]

DID IT

[vagrant marsh]

ofcourse, some are more stable than others.

[wheat plume]

I found a way to do this before but it gave me the index also and other output I didnt want

[pale sigil]

Now I just wait for my cooler and fans

And custom cables

[crisp granite]

and maybe a new gpu

[pale sigil]

And GPU

[crisp granite]

that 1070ti will struggle in modern games

[pale sigil]

Haha

I have my 3080 on its way

[crisp granite]

noice

[misty pier]

gib 1070 ti

[pale sigil]

I just decided to put this together

[ashen spindle]

sure lol, isnt that still just in queue?

[pale sigil]

So my old system is ready to sell

[wheat plume]

uwu

[pale sigil]

No

[ashen spindle]

we'll see

[pale sigil]

They oppened up 10 pre orders

I snagged one

[vagrant marsh]

keep your old system for a week or 2 tho. after a week mine started to give problems, which turned out the CPU was at fault somehow.

[crisp granite]

for a palit card?

lel

[pale sigil]

No

Gigabyte trio

[crisp granite]

oooOOOOoooo

coolz

[pale sigil]

The palit one got cancelled a long time ago

I was never gonna get it

Someone who was 15 in place had been waiting since Sept

I was 150

XD

[crisp granite]

cuz palit cards are just too good

jk

it's the dogshit supply

[vagrant marsh]

is palit a brand?

[crisp granite]

yup

they make gpus

they don't sell them here though

[vagrant marsh]

ah. never heard of them. thought you meant bulk or something. in dutch pellet usually refers to bulk buys.

[pale sigil]

Cba to tidy up haha

[misty pier]

isn't palit for the asian market

[crisp granite]

idk

[pale sigil]

Palit is for the Asian Market but they expanded

[crisp granite]

I think they get around Europe too

[pale sigil]

With the 2000 series

[crisp granite]

not NA though

[pale sigil]

If I remember correctly

[ashen spindle]

even earlier, my 1080 is palit

[misty pier]

probably just a europe and asia thing then

[vagrant marsh]

europe like cheap china stuff

😛

[crisp granite]

mhm

[pale sigil]

True

We also like ya mam

Everyday all day

[ashen spindle]

palit/galax/gainward/KFA2 all the same, galax hall of fame is prob most known in NA

[misty pier]

yea hall of fame I remember seeing a few times

[crisp granite]

never seen any of those brands here

[pale sigil]

Quin, clean my desk up for me

[ashen spindle]

no

[misty pier]

I kind of want to check my local microcenter and see what gpus they got in stock

[pale sigil]

None

[misty pier]

they had 3060 tis on launch day but they're wiped clean

big city problems

[crisp granite]

it's just the big ones here, like assus, msi, evga and gigabyte

[crisp granite]

mhm

[misty pier]

now 5700 xt supply is drying out and I'm not sure what my friend's pc is going to have

[crisp granite]

a gt 710

those always seem to be in stock

[vagrant marsh]

i do know of a brand named gamdias. they sell mouses here

[misty pier]

at this point I'm likely settling for a prebuilt and adding in extra parts

[ashen spindle]

6700 gpus should probably arrive in january, should also have better availability

[misty pier]

yeah, my dude wants to delay it to sometime next year at least

if those are available in enough supply then I'll snag one

[ashen spindle]

ah ye then it should be less of an issue

oh right, should probably download windows while I build the pc, lol

fuck of with that

had to deal with that at work

didnt want to work for no apparent reason

wasted like 3 hours

[vagrant marsh]

windows 4 life

it just works

[misty pier]

sometimes

[wheat plume]

It hates my microphone

unless I plug it in with USB

[vagrant marsh]

so a bluetooth issue?

[wheat plume]

no, mic input jack issue

[vagrant marsh]

oh

[misty pier]

yeah I never like using usb for audio

[vagrant marsh]

tomorrow the 6900's come out?