🔌│tech

[edgy hull]

pretty sure 1.4v is fine, idk how much more is safe

[analog aspen]

Only got 240mm rad of AIO as intake

Then 2 fans exhaust

Or 3?

So slightly negative

[edgy hull]

if you are pushing shit I usually would go with 280mm, I know the x63 does well - esp if replacing the fans. Freezer II 280mm should do well too

[analog aspen]

I think it was Corsair h100i

[edgy hull]

idk how well that one does, rarely remember any of the model names cuz there just be too many

[misty saffron]

you can’t really do that

virtual memory isn’t contiguous

mostly virtual page addresses are unpredictable as well (aslr), excluding some legacy structures e.g. KUSER_SHARED_DATA in windows

[analog aspen]

So uhhh VRAM vs RAM?

Windows would only make use of VRAM if you RAM run out of bandwidth correct?

I’m sorry it’s kinda unrelated

[old marlin]

@analog aspen get incense sticks

They should only leave more dust than usual

[misty saffron]

@analog aspen virtual memory is a term for memory that can be accessed by usermode apps

vram and ram are two unrelated terms, even though they share a name, or at least a part of it

one refers to a method of managing memory in modern operating systems, other refers to a form of storage

[zenith sonnet]

I like how this 5950X runs cooler than my old 3700X

Sits at 50-52°C all-core in CB R20, and peaks up to 62°C on single core burst loads

[halcyon moss]

is that a laptop harddrive?

[old marlin]

https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1334540295136923649

Cory Doctorow #BLM (@doctorow)

AWDL is Apple's mesh networking protocol, a low-level, device-to-device wireless system that underpins tools like Airdrop. It is implemented in the Ios kernel, a high-privilege, high-risk zone in Iphone and Ipad internals.

1/ https://t.co/z0O3srFiJf

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[wheat plume]

2.5"

[halcyon moss]

but why

[solar hinge]

I like how this 5950X runs cooler than my old 3700X
@zenith sonnet did you get the new cpu already?

[zenith sonnet]

I got two

@solar hinge

[solar hinge]

oooh, nice 🙂

one for the wifey?

or just both for you ;p

[zenith sonnet]

I paid Alternate scalper prices on launch day

That's how

One for wifey

[solar hinge]

ah really? that kinda sucks though, how much did they overcharge?

[zenith sonnet]

120€ per, 919€ each

[wheat plume]

Cause that's what my friend had spare from his old laptop

[zenith sonnet]

With untuned memory

Multicore is 100% limited by power, using stock settings

[analog aspen]

So uhhhh I think the stick passed that primary timing at 1.35v

XMP was 3200c14 1.35v

I have no idea how to adjust secondaries

Didn’t touch any of the secondaries and third

Some settings changed by itself

Before it was 1.2v for VCCIO

Also @ashen spindle apparently I was running 5.2ghz with 1.35v

[ashen spindle]

ah ye that sounds realistic

and ye, idk for non primaries, need to look around after I put my pc together and maybe find out how to deal with that

[analog aspen]

Why did the voltage change by itself

What caused it

[ashen spindle]

idk, some auto settings that adjust it based on what you change elsewhere

[analog aspen]

I basically only changed the DRAM timing then primary timings from 14-14-34 to 15-15-32

Will my cpu explode if the VCCIO is that high 🥲

[ashen spindle]

ye that should be enough to have it auto adjust other timings and such

and no that seems normal, b die can do 1.5vccio even

[analog aspen]

So do I need to learn about secondaries at all

And third

[ashen spindle]

not if you want to let them run at auto timings

[analog aspen]

I have no idea what’s good

🥲

[ashen spindle]

would they change results a lot if you keep it vs manual timing? idk, not that much, but maybe a bit, depends on application

you could just try setting it to 1.3 and if that runs to like 1.25 and see if that is still safe etc

as you are OCing you should try and keep any voltage as low as possible so it doesnt produce more heat and thus stops the core OC from going higher

I'd say see what others with a 9900k were able to to and go from there

[analog aspen]

You talking about dram voltage? Or VCCIO?

[ashen spindle]

vccio in that case

[analog aspen]

So don’t touch timing just try to reduce voltage

Gotcha

[ashen spindle]

ye that's what I'd try, timings you can't really break anything with, voltage ending up too high can

so fi you have a stable decent voltage, you can try timings as you want

[analog aspen]

Kk

Also

I tried the “per core” for CPU option

Core 0 and 1 at 53

The rest at 36

And CPUZ detects I have 3.6Ghz only

🥲

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ havent tried per core stuff yet so idk

[zenith sonnet]

Anyone seen a good guide for Zen 3 memory overclocking?

[analog aspen]

Is 9900K equal to Zen 2?

Trying out the DRAM calculator Quintosh suggested earlier

[zenith sonnet]

In what sense? They work entirely differently

And that does not work for intel CPUs at all

[ashen spindle]

no clue, idk what part of it is linked to the memory controller and what is just ram timings

[zenith sonnet]

Is it still true that to find out max IF, I just increase it until it stops booting, and that's my max, no further testing required?

[ashen spindle]

https://www.reuters.com/article/micron-tech-outages-taiwan/micron-technologies-says-power-at-taiwan-facility-restored-after-outage-idINL4N2IK1EV .. wow what a detailed report

[analog aspen]

When they say they game use “2 core” that means actually 2 cores with 4 threads

Or 2 core = 1 core 2 threads?

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef patrol]

Two threads.

A thread is a logical core. Not a physical one.

However they may be on two different cores.

[ashen spindle]

technically, due to how SMT works, it could mean 2 cores and their threads, but that it wouldn't fully use 4 single threaded cores etc etc.

but in any PR context I doubt they'd go so technical :p

so most likely 2 threads, but usually that doesn't mean one core with two threads as you want the main thread to deal with OS etc.

[analog aspen]

yeah I can't get the CPU core to disable at all :<

Maximus XI hero UEFI

[wheat plume]

I just realised that now I have a massive hard drive, I can use that to backup my shit instead of my USB stick

:DD

[analog aspen]

nutty!

the fact that you dedicate the time to backup through usb

[wheat plume]

Drag and drop folders in and do other shit while it transfers over

takes like 2 minutes at most

[analog aspen]

oh thats copy paste

i thought you'd do compression and stuff

[wheat plume]

ooh

[analog aspen]

also back up the games or back up save data?

you could significantly reduce the amount of data by focusing on solely what you want to keep

[wheat plume]

Is there a way to reinstall Linux without Windows breaking and not showing up in BIOS or GRUB?

[old marlin]

@ashen spindle https://twitter.com/KOMACHI_ENSAKA/status/1334466899208327168

遠坂小町@Komachi (@KOMACHI_ENSAKA)

"Atom & Xeon based SOC on Intel and TSMC process"
https://t.co/ftTmTfzrOR

Twitter · Dec 3, 2020, 11:57 AM

[ashen spindle]

ye

https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1334478984831234050

𝐷𝑟. 𝐼𝑎𝑛 𝐶𝑢𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 (@IanCutress)

Job posting at Intel reveals:

'5G Basestation SOC Snowridge (SNR),
upcoming CPU Sapphire Rapids (SPR) ,
upcoming smartnic Mount Evans (MEV),
next gen Base station SOC Grandridge (GRR) and
next gen CPU Granite Rapids (GNR)'

Twitter · Dec 3, 2020, 12:45 PM

all data center stuff

thank god zen4 will move to N5, otherwise intel would then be another part of N7 demand lmao

[wheat plume]

but Ive used them many MANNY times on Windows already why it is doing this now??!

[reef tundra]

Also fscanf() is insanely usefull wow

[urban lynx]

razer chromo what now?

[reef tundra]

Also for those who like to program: https://adventofcode.com/
ps: you can use any programming language or scripting language (or even on paper)

[wheat plume]

nnnaNNI?

[urban lynx]

i havent seen such a thing yet.
are those speakers?
microphones?

[wheat plume]

Speakers :P

[urban lynx]

wow. they look funky

[wheat plume]

The Chroma Pros are funkier looking

[urban lynx]

are they any good?

[wheat plume]

I like them, I mostly still use my headphones though unless Im alone on this floor of the house

[urban lynx]

hm

i mean, i'll mostly use my headphones too

but like, in moments i cant because they are empty. or just dont feel like headphones

granted, i really dont mind wearing them for a while, but still, lol. the thought, THE THOUGHT

[wheat plume]

The Pro look funkier :P

[urban lynx]

LOL

and they got rgb under their bases?

[wheat plume]

the Chroma ones do

the cheapest ones dont

The cheaper ones are also connected only via headphone jack

[urban lynx]

huh
i see

[wheat plume]

wait, idk if the cheaper ones have a bass dial or not

[misty pier]

i should buy speakers

but I never use them

[old marlin]

why should you buy them then

[misty pier]

bragging rights 🤔

[old marlin]

then get some nice monitors

not razer whatevers

or logitech whatevers

[misty pier]

hmmm

perhaps

[reef tundra]

Headphones are just miniature speakers

[wheat plume]

still no monitors ;-;

[misty saffron]

does anyone by any chance here use an xbox series x with an lg tv

[analog aspen]

monitors that come with speakers? o.O

might as well plug an apple bud in

[old marlin]

google "studio monitor"

most popular are prob KRK ROKIT models

[wheat plume]

no monitors, as in, they arent here yet ;-;

[misty saffron]

quite a bit do actually

the speakers aren’t good usually buuut

better than none i guess

[analog aspen]

this

[hard thicket]

any phone speaker is better than the build in speaker of a monitor

[restive gate]

any?

[analog aspen]

XD

@ashen spindle settled for 3600cl14 at some nutty 1.4v and 1.3v VCCIO. Testing if I can reduce any voltage...

I tried 4000c17 but all attempt went straight into POST

🥲

[ashen spindle]

well 36 at 14 sounds quite nice

[analog aspen]

Im so bad at this stuff I barely understand half the stuff they’re saying

[ashen spindle]

make sure its stable before you reduce voltage though

haha yeah it's really complex really fast

[analog aspen]

Literally just piggy back on the 2nd timing of XMP

Also I’m hitting a thermal wall

I can keep pushing it fine but don’t like my stuff overheating also

[restive gate]

get one of those ram watercoolers xD

[crisp granite]

mhm

that

[analog aspen]

It makes my CPU hotter

Somehow

Probably because of VCCIO voltage

And the other one

[crisp granite]

I think thermalfail sells an aio that fits over your ram as well as the cpu

[zenith sonnet]

Depends on the chips
B-die can handle 1.5V @ 85°C per Samsung's spec sheet

[misty pier]

ik back then corsair had air coolers you mount over your ram

looked pretty cool

[crisp granite]

I think you can still buy kits that include those

but only the higher clocked kits

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-adds-cam-clever-access-memory-to-intel-z490-motherboard ngl I'm happy it seems to be mostly the same on intel

hopefully we can have one test that shows it's more or less the same as on amd, so reviews don't need to spam graphs with "XAM off/on" data

[analog aspen]

Managed to find a way to limit to 2 cores and my temperature went down 20*C. Yikes

[restive gate]

hopefully they can come up with a better name for it

[ashen spindle]

idk, I prefer that they kept it similar

easier to notice that it's the same thing

sam/cam is a lot cleaner than XMP/DOCP imo

nobody calls it DOCP on only few know that's the name of the same thing on amd side

[restive gate]

sure, but something a bit better than swapping out for a synonym, it just sounds like a ripoff this way (which tbf it is)

[ashen spindle]

it's not really a ripoff since neither of them invented it, one was just the first to market and use it

ram settings that OC it for you is also not a thing intel or amd thing afaik?

[restive gate]

ig not, but quite nearly cloning the name sure sounds like a ripoff is all I'm saying, but ig it could just be to avoid as much confusion as possible

[fickle ore]

LMAO clever access memory

[ashen spindle]

I'm not too keen on asrock, not the best quality, bios not amazing and they blocked reviewers who made negative reviews, but at least they are often trying things on their own which is nice

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-11900k-rocket-lake-s-flagship-cpu-spotted

Underwhelming? Kinda

[crisp granite]

base clock of 3.5 ghz

ha

so they can't compare with ryzen in IPC

and now struggle in clockspeed?

[ashen spindle]

since when did base clock matter

it's not a laptop

[crisp granite]

I used to run with a laptop

[ashen spindle]

base clock is just for meeting TDP specs

[crisp granite]

it only ran at base

couldn't do more

[ashen spindle]

well it's not a laptop chip lol

[crisp granite]

stock coolers

[ashen spindle]

are not included with these anymore

[crisp granite]

w0t?

intel is actually not worth it anymore

[ashen spindle]

... amd does the same...

[crisp granite]

amd includes coolers in the mid range and budget chips

[ashen spindle]

yeah not in above 5600x chips, around the same where intel is not adding stock coolers either

[crisp granite]

true

but still

amd stock coolers actually work

[ashen spindle]

so does intel

[crisp granite]

but as well?

[ashen spindle]

they just had lower performing coolers are higher tdp chips

so technically yes

just not as great in the packages they were in

[misty saffron]

"bro quick we need a synonym for smart"

[ashen spindle]

pretty much lol

[zenith sonnet]

Does it do the same thing, though?

[ashen spindle]

but it's also an asrock thing, intel/nvidia probably come up with their own thing so they just made a name that they will probably not use so then it will get changed

[crimson wigeon]

RTX MEMORY

[vagrant marsh]

Rtx memory? Sounds interesting

[reef tundra]

RTX air

[restive gate]

RTX voice

Oh wait

That one is real

[pale sigil]

Still haven’t decided on a case

I hate this

It’s been 5 years since I chose a new case

[restive gate]

Get a cougar Gemini X

Definitely worth it

[ashen spindle]

you see the issue is you care about the looks of a metal box that's just there to keep your stuff safe and running

[restive gate]

Here we see into the mind of a HAF BX EVO user

[ashen spindle]

nah lancool 2 mesh

[restive gate]

I get that

But I think a lot of people build PCs for fun, so having it look nice at the end can be nice

Especially if nice looking parts aren't necessarily more expensive, but just more difficult to get

[ashen spindle]

well he had a o11 mini that he liked so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban lynx]

i once saw a case that looked like a portal turret.
but once i had an idea for a build with it, (and the money to do so) i couldnt find it anywhere anymore...
still sad tbh 🥲

[restive gate]

Ah I remember that thing

Super cool

[crisp granite]

I remember seeing that case too

[wheat plume]

I'm worried
Been stuck here for ten minutes

[urban lynx]

i had my computer in the "downloading/installing update" screen after shutting down once for about 2 hours.
went to bed casually.
in the morning it was done, and shut down.
starting it up took barely longer than it was supposed to 🥲

[wheat plume]

:/

[crisp granite]

it happens

[wheat plume]

OMFH FINALLY
ITS REBOOTING
THAT TOOK WAY TOO DAMN LONG

[crisp granite]

mhm

[ashen spindle]

aren't you in the windows beta testing thing?

[wheat plume]

Wait
It's not off but there is no signal

[wheat plume]

Nope

[ashen spindle]

oh thought you were in the early ring thing

[wheat plume]

Used to be

Before I dual booted it

[wind valve]

I already posted this in the help channel but I’ll post it here to because it seems to be more active. My space at stabilizers (or at least on of them) are rattling a good bit and it’s kind of defeating the purpose of going with linear switches. I’m not sure what your support system is like, but I’m happy to buy some sort of lube to fix it if anyone will suggest my a brand.

[crisp granite]

@urban lynx, this case?

[wind valve]

Also hi

[crisp granite]

sup?

[wind valve]

Looks like that has bad airflow

[crisp granite]

it really does

but it looks cool

[wind valve]

Fax

[urban lynx]

yeah exactly

except in white

[wind valve]

Oooooooo

That would be cool

[crisp granite]

someone I know has one they want to get rid of

or maybe they already did

idk

he got a better itx case after complaining aboot throttling

[ashen spindle]

Your question is probably better for Helpdesk or #archived_keebs_talk idk anything about it

[wind valve]

ok thanks

[reef tundra]

Imagine waiting around for updating the kernel

[pale sigil]

with how much you spend why is it so wrong to care about looks?

considering you look at it every single day

[reef patrol]

I used to have the Portal case.

I uh... I genuinely don't remember what I did with it. Probably sold it.

[pale sigil]

i7

1000 series gpu

im pretty sure

[ashen spindle]

I just don't get the impression that you'd more care for your pc looks than getting good temps/good fps is all :p

[pale sigil]

well no i care about temps

which is why im struggling

with choosing one

[crisp granite]

coolermaster nr600

[pale sigil]

hard to get

and not white

[crisp granite]

it's $95 on amazon here

how is that hard to get?

[pale sigil]

UK

barely ever have itr

amazon listing is not from a proper serller

befire you link it

[crisp granite]

I'm not gonna link it

[urban lynx]

huh, fascinating...

[vagrant marsh]

portal case?

[urban lynx]

i wanted to use it with some capture card to build like a recording focus, proper cpu, not so much for a gpu

[pale sigil]

right now my thoughts are Fractal Meshify S2, SilverStone FARA R1, LANCOOL 205 and CARBIDE 275R

[vagrant marsh]

why not the cooler master h500p mesh?

or any 500 with mesh for that sake. it got 2 huge fans up front

cant go wrong with big fans

[pale sigil]

cos its awful

[vagrant marsh]

😐

[pale sigil]

also no one sells it anymore

[vagrant marsh]

what, the h500?

wtf

ur right

what happened? they used to be plenty in stock

[pale sigil]

its old?

and was remade

[vagrant marsh]

i only bought mine half a year ago...

damn

h500p mesh i got that one, yea

i did learn some things for nexus steve

😛

interesting

rtx 3060 ti tuf gaming oc for 639 is available

guess no1 wants it

[hard thicket]

20 minute adventure quickly changing the gpu and that's it!

what a rollercoaster

[vagrant marsh]

i see water spilled on that mat

[hard thicket]

thats the least problem lol

[vagrant marsh]

waterpump gave out?

[hard thicket]

went from changing the gpu, gpu block install to changing pump and using a dremel to fix clearance issues because the backplate is literall 4 mm thick

and collides with the Mainboard IO Vrm hearsink

[vagrant marsh]

4mm of thicc armor plating composite keramic backplate able to deflect anti tank grenades of 120mm or bigger

[hard thicket]

basicall there

[vagrant marsh]

[hard thicket]

left some marks while trying to build it in

[vagrant marsh]

and you got a small case, right?

[hard thicket]

yup

because i like pain

[vagrant marsh]

why i use a beefy boi like the h500p

[hard thicket]

too big

doesnt fit in my backpack

[vagrant marsh]

u wot mate

[hard thicket]

yep i take mine with me

[vagrant marsh]

ohh, u doin lan parties n shit?

[hard thicket]

to the plane and so on

sometimes

[pale sigil]

heavily considering it but ofc stock issues haha

[hard thicket]

all that gets into the backpack

[pale sigil]

its so pretty but budget

[vagrant marsh]

ohh, it needs to be an s2

ah, sorry

hmm

there was a lian li case that even gamers nexus found a very good buy

[crisp granite]

lancool II mesh, I think

[vagrant marsh]

no, the lian li 215 as best overal case for only 70 bucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhf97n0eqx4

[reef patrol]

https://www.bitfenix.com/products/chassis/mini-itx/portal/

[vagrant marsh]

yes

[reef patrol]

@vagrant marsh

[vagrant marsh]

good preview

[reef patrol]

[vagrant marsh]

PREMIUM GRADE aluminium

unless its MILITARY GRADE its not premium

[reef patrol]

It was so unique. Not the best efficiency, but I loved how the entire motherboard tray would slide out the back like an ammo rack.

[vagrant marsh]

still. its a cool feature you can shove out hte insides

[reef patrol]

And if you flipped the front upside down, it looked a lot like a sentry from Portal.

Had plans to give it sound effects.

[urban lynx]

still sad i couldnt get by grabbers on one 🥲

[reef patrol]

I wish I knew what I did with mine.

[vagrant marsh]

maybe it became a faulty turret. one day, it started to say tskkk tskkk tskk tskk tskk. yea. you're dead now. please be dead...

[reef patrol]

Either tossed it by accident or sold it. I just remember going through old pics on my camera and going "Wait...what did I do with that case?" And tearing my office apart looking for it.

[urban lynx]

inb4 used as doorstopper

[pale sigil]

lian li 215 is to big

[vagrant marsh]

DIYPC Zondda-O

the extra D is for dont sue us for copyright infringement - gamers nexus

the silverstone fara r1 more looks like an office case

i dunno. it radiates a sort of professionalism

[ashen spindle]

oh nice, didnt notice it was reduced when I bought it but I guess I saved 60€ on my mobo from the supposed price lel

neat

[misty pier]

i wish there were some airflow itx cases

i'm contemplating adding air holes to the front of my case

[pale sigil]

for real tho, that case is huge

[vagrant marsh]

i know. my h500p is a serious big boi. any case sporting 2 200mm front fans is big

[misty pier]

my case has support for a single 200mm fan

but I'm not sure if that provided enough airflow like two 140mm fans

[vagrant marsh]

the problem with bigger fans is that they move more air but produce less pressure. so anything that obstructs airflow causes pressure fluctuations

a smaller fan moves less air, but produces more pressure and is more suited for case that has like, an acryllic front

thats why the h500p mesh works, cause the entire front is just 1 big mesh. its open

and the regular version doesnt really work well, cause it can only draw in air from the sides

[pale sigil]

screw it

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/silverstone-fara-r1-mid-tower-case-white-tempered-glass-ca-44q-sv.html

i love it

i cant stop loving it

idk why i love it

i just do

[vagrant marsh]

then do it

i dare ya

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[misty pier]

air holes everywhere

👌

[pale sigil]

it seems the main reason its cheapeer

is down to not having fans with it

which is kinda great

[ashen spindle]

it has 1 iirc

[pale sigil]

ye 1

but usually mesh ones have front ones etc

damn it i have doubts again

[vagrant marsh]

callum

just buy it

ffs

put ur own fans into it

[pale sigil]

apparently atx boards can be a pain in the ass in it

[vagrant marsh]

then dont get an atx board

you only need 1 slot for a graphics card

[pale sigil]

that i dont have a choice over

im afraid

[vagrant marsh]

we are all afraid when buying a new case. but you need to take that step

if the case doesnt work out, then bring it back

[ashen spindle]

idk looks normal to me

[pale sigil]

easier said than done

problem with that is the vrm shit will be to big for a back fan

i struggle to put one on my current board alone

have to press hard to do it

[ashen spindle]

back fan?

you mean the exaust fan in the case?

[pale sigil]

ye

[ashen spindle]

whats your board again

[pale sigil]

ASUS STRIX B550-F

overpaid for it

😦

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/3xs-b550-hardware-bundle-amd-ryzen-5-5600x-asus-strix-b550-f-16gb-rgb-ddr4-amd-wraith-stealth

[ashen spindle]

I don't see the issue you describe?

[pale sigil]

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/nda-16-06asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-amd-b550-am4-ddr4-sata3-dual-m2-crossfire-25gbe-usb-32-gen2-ap

Usually this is to high

[ashen spindle]

......

[pale sigil]

at least it was for my current build

also yes

i named them wrong

fite me

[ashen spindle]

thats not a vrm things thats the IO cover

[pale sigil]

also yes
i named them wrong
fite me

ngl

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lian-li-galahad-360mm-high-performance-rgb-cpu-water-cooler-white-hs-008-ll.html

this cooler is pretty

[ashen spindle]

so basically that cover can't be bigger than the IO cutout at the end to not hit the exhaust fan

I'd say it looks pretty normal and shouldn't be too big? or did you check height and compare it to the distance?

[wheat plume]

NANNI???

[ashen spindle]

?

[pale sigil]

ok ill admit

[urban lynx]

did you buy a full license?

[wheat plume]

the college gives us a license using our student accounts

but where TF it get 2016??

[urban lynx]

oh

i didnt even notice that

[vagrant marsh]

wtf...

[wheat plume]

yeah....thats why i sent the screenshot

[vagrant marsh]

is hte time on ur pc correct?

[wheat plume]

yep

[vagrant marsh]

what the hell

that makes no sense

[wheat plume]

idfk

[vagrant marsh]

so...

in how many days does your license end?

XD

[pale sigil]

hmm

[wheat plume]

idk :')

[pale sigil]

now im considering PC-O11 DYNAMIC with Lian-Li GALAHAD

[wheat plume]

huh?

[ashen spindle]

but why

[misty pier]

galahad is a cool cooler

mounting it, not so much

you need those mounting brackets that came with your motherboard to install it

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume That's where KMS comes to help you

If you need the links to KMS, I'll provide

[wheat plume]

KMS?
I wanna do that

[cursive summit]

I am not telling you to literally KMS

[wheat plume]

Oh...

[cursive summit]

But, you know, KMS?

[wheat plume]

No?...

[cursive summit]

Miscommunication

[misty pier]

kms the license key majumbo?

[crimson wigeon]

kernel mode setting?

[cursive summit]

KMS - license key cracker of sorts

kms - sepukku

[misty pier]

does it even work?

[cursive summit]

KMS? Works incredibly well

I got my Office and Windows jacked since the very beginning

[misty pier]

could you provide me a link perhaps? 🤔

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

Sure thing

[misty pier]

i'll just take a peek

[cursive summit]

@reef patrol Shh, nobody will know

[vagrant marsh]

not km/s?

[hard thicket]

@reef patrol using more fittings than tubes at this point

[reef patrol]

Super Mario pipe sounds

[hard thicket]

pretty much, gonna be fun bleeding lol

[misty pier]

fancy pipework

[vagrant marsh]

just look at this big boi. its not a real case unless it barely fits under ur desk

[misty pier]

computer case, plate carrier

[cursive summit]

Turn off that fucking watermark

[vagrant marsh]

NO!

[cursive summit]

And install gcam

[vagrant marsh]

ITS POCO RECOGNITION!!

[cursive summit]

I installed gcam on mine

Quite good

What the fuck

@vagrant marsh Do your dishes you disgusting being

??

[vagrant marsh]

i do? these are of this morning and just now. tonight i put em in the dishwasher

[cursive summit]

Keeping dishes whole day uncleansed

[vagrant marsh]

dude, i aint eating enough anyways to run the dishwasher every day. doesnt matter much.

JUST LET IT FUCKING GO

[misty pier]

just hand wash your plates

🗿

[vagrant marsh]

like...a pleb..?

[misty pier]

what’s so bad about hand washing anyways

[cursive summit]

Like a normal second class citizen

[misty pier]

I don’t trust my dishwasher to clean everything so I wash it all by hand

[vagrant marsh]

i aint got hte time and effort to hand wash it

and can we stop discussing this 😅

[misty pier]

ok

[ashen spindle]

omg complaining works

[wheat plume]

ayyyy, finally

[ashen spindle]

I was about to write that sadly I'll probably have to wait for next week for them to ship my case

literally the second I finish that thought I see an email notificaiton

it's now shipped

[vagrant marsh]

complaining telepathically

[reef tundra]

why does one want to find the windows boot manager

[wheat plume]

is dual booting

[reef tundra]

just fully run under linux, hype

[wheat plume]

wish I could ;-;

Need windows for some projects

[ashen spindle]

VM?

[wheat plume]

Probably could TBH

Does Visual Studio work good under VM?

[ashen spindle]

[wheat plume]

:')

[reef tundra]

use vim

[wheat plume]

ah yes, Vim, the best GUI creator ever

[reef tundra]

vim's ui is how you make it to be

[wheat plume]

I love ICE

[reef tundra]

Not NICE

[wheat plume]

Yes ICE

[wheat plume]

Uh...
Windows and linux now think my computer doesn't have bluetooth :// wtf

This worked

Nice!!!

NVM.... ;_;

Can't find bluetooth in windows

[vagrant marsh]

Reinstall the drivers for it

[wheat plume]

It won't let me
It can't find the bluetooth

[vagrant marsh]

Sounds like a problem for the

[crisp granite]

haha

good one

[wheat plume]

I'll check the motherboard software

[cursive summit]

That's a lotta servers

[ashen spindle]

revert the windows update you recently did?

[wheat plume]

Linux can see that the bluetooth is there
But it can't enable it

But windows can't see it

[ashen spindle]

wait is it gone since the last bios update you did?

[wheat plume]

No

Just today

Seems this app solved it

Just need to try to connect controller to prove it

Ok
It works on windows
Time to swap to linux and check that

[wheat plume]

Controller doesn't work
It just connects on windows

[ashen spindle]

so which is it xD

does it work or not

or did you just test it by connecting and thought it works at first?

[wheat plume]

I booted into linux to try

Connected controller
It failed to connect

Forgot I didn't disable ERTM to make the controller pair
Disabled it
Reboot
Went to make some pasta cause I'm hungry

Now I'm back onto linux and going to try for real

[reef tundra]

Does your bluetooth controller show up in the lspci or lsusb. (depends on whether the bluetooth module is connected on the pcie or usb)

[wheat plume]

Yep

It's connected

I just need to test it in a game

[ashen spindle]

...game? you play via bluetooth?

[wheat plume]

I play Distance with controller

Easier for me than keyboard

It works

<3

[restive gate]

This only really matters in fast pace games, if you're playing something more mellowed out I imagine it's fine

[ashen spindle]

My mind was not on a game controller but like game streaming etc. so I was worried. Forgot Controllers use it too

[restive gate]

Ah I see

Then yes, the stream lag would be retched

[fickle ore]

https://www.techpowerup.com/274967/psa-amds-graphics-driver-will-eat-one-cpu-core-when-no-radeon-installed

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle pick a case for me

[zenith sonnet]

@fickle ore

AMD driver refuses to install without GPU present
use AMD GPU to install anyway
remove AMD GPU
have problems
???

[analog aspen]

@misty pier

[misty pier]

poor thing

[analog aspen]

SIIIICK CUSTOM

Wait didn’t quote

[analog aspen]

SIIIICK CUSTOM

[analog aspen]

Sometimes it tries to scale obstacle and get stuck cause the wheels above ground. Mine got stuck the same way trying to scale a chair feet

[analog aspen]

Putting it on a carpet turned me off.
“Choke me like you hate me but you love me” 🥲

[restive gate]

It's unfortunately necessary for some

I just straight don't have the desk space

[analog aspen]

Get a brick or something and put under it

Not that hard

[restive gate]

Though I did put mine up on a plank of wood

[analog aspen]

🥲

Wood is okay

Not bad tbh

[restive gate]

A... Brick...?

[analog aspen]

Carpet is nono

Legit anything solid that can handle the weight lmao

If you’re fancy and care about look a monitor raiser would do

[restive gate]

Would that support the weight tho?

[analog aspen]

Idk depends on the money you willing to spend, your case size, your components, leave some room for upgradability

🥲

[edgy hull]

where tf are the rest of your primaries? tCL, tRCDWR, tRCDRD, tRP, tRAS, and Command Rate are the primary timings

[analog aspen]

I used XMP

Also I managed to get 3600Mhz cl14

[edgy hull]

nice, know much about rest of primary timings?

cl isnt much to go by tbf

[analog aspen]

3600 14-14-14-34

Basically XMP but change to 3600 and up voltage

1.4 dram 1.3 VCCIO and the agent one

[edgy hull]

dram seems about right, idk anything about Intel IMC so idk if those are good voltages for those

[analog aspen]

Then I OC’d my CPU to 5.4ghz and it fucked my Windows up

[edgy hull]

ah, nice

[analog aspen]

Not nice

Can’t boot

🥲

[edgy hull]

"nice"

[analog aspen]

Trying to restore

Basically whether the BSOD is from software or hardware

Could’ve fried my hardware

I don’t like the fact that higher CPU clock would cuck memory that’s already stable

[edgy hull]

iGPU can screw with mem OC tho

[analog aspen]

Likewise if I OC CPU first then RAM then the higher clock RAM will cause CPU OC to become unstable

[edgy hull]

I'd recommend to disable iGPU if doing mem OC

[analog aspen]

Ohhhh

Yeah I had a prompt that igpu couldn’t start

[edgy hull]

Also that may have to do with either temps or CPU IO voltage (VCCIO and agent or whatever it is)

[analog aspen]

Then now I get Bad_Config BSOD even on stock BIOS settings

Well temp isn’t the problem cause I was OC-ing with disabled core

My rig can’t even reach 80*C MAX in stress test

[edgy hull]

I unfortunately only started to look into RAM stuff after going Ryzen so any of the Intel voltages is smth I dont know about

[analog aspen]

Yeah rn I’ll just put out the fire first 🥲

See if my sticks gone bad

Or my CPU?

Or it’s just corrupted Windows

[edgy hull]

doubt it, sticks should easily be able to handle 1.5v sustained

[analog aspen]

Corrupted Windows then

I never went crazy with voltages

[edgy hull]

idk anything about CPU, but doesnt seem like death voltages

[analog aspen]

I tried 5.4ghz 1.5V

MUAHAHAHA

Probably why 🥲

[edgy hull]

1.5v on vcore?

[analog aspen]

Ye

[edgy hull]

yeah, that might be a bit... more like a lot... too much

[analog aspen]

Hard cap is like 1.53V from Intel

But again temperature never went past 78*C

Even when stressed

[edgy hull]

temps arent the only thing tho. Temps can be well within reason and vcore can still kill things

[analog aspen]

🥲

Rip CPU?

Hmmm idk

I think my CPU is fine

If it’s a problem I won’t be able to use command prompt like I have been doing

I just can’t boot to Windows and my backup restore point got corrupted

[edgy hull]

well f

[analog aspen]

🥲

[edgy hull]

but yeah, hopefully CPU is fine

[analog aspen]

The one thing it decides to corrupt

Woohoo

But yeah I went to sleep at that note

Will update more later today

Cause still have life and family and stuff

[edgy hull]

fair enough

[zenith sonnet]

If a memory OC 'causes' the (Overclocked) CPU to be unstable, it was not stable to begin with
It just became easier to see the instability

[analog aspen]

It was the other way around for my case. Since I tried OC-ing the mem first. Maybe I should’ve gone with the recommended route 🥲

[vagrant marsh]

I dont oc my mem. Looking at the 25+ options you can edit, i only trust nexus steve to oc that shit.

[edgy hull]

Its so much nicer when you have a baseline to go off of. I used Ryzen dram calc as a starting point

Would've been screwed otherwise

[analog aspen]

Dram calc is really weird when I try to load it

There’s no R purple button so I have to enter timing manually

And there’s no Extreme Calc

So the timings are loose af

It’s not even any better than my XMP

Suggesting CL20 on my CL14 stable XMP

Like wtf

[edgy hull]

Did you do manual timings thing where it attempts to figure out what bin you have? If not, did you select the correct bin?

[analog aspen]

Bin or die?

[edgy hull]

Even at 3800MT/s on safe preset, it's like 17-17-17-17 for me.
bin

[analog aspen]

This is what I got trying to run Thaiphoon

[edgy hull]

Have no experience with Thaiphoon

[analog aspen]

Uhhh how do I know the bin

[vagrant marsh]

google?

[analog aspen]

No I was trying to ask Hei what he meant by bin

Cause I assumed die then it’s b-die but he insisted “bin”

[vagrant marsh]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22478014/how-to-know-the-memory-footprint-of-my-binary-executable

binary executable?

[analog aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-不造-i-dont-know-gif-5094560

Ask him

Lmao

Also I don’t think openwrt has anything to do with what we’re talking about (OC)

[vagrant marsh]

https://developpaper.com/chunks-and-bins-in-memory/

somewhere near the end it explains bins

you got fast bins. unsorted bins. small bins. large bins. bins bins bins

🤣

[analog aspen]

😅

[edgy hull]

bdie does some binning. Shitty bdie is pretty bad tbf.

"Dram PCB version" is basically the bin

[analog aspen]

I’m pretty sure my bdie qualifies for “shitty bdie” but eh if there’s a way to check let me know

3200mhz bdie are usually the worst ones

[edgy hull]

Cuz you can do 3200c14 you have okay bdie tho

[analog aspen]

[edgy hull]

Nah, there are <3000 ones

Those ones tend to be bad

Maybe also the loose timings ones, if they exist (like 3200 16-16-16). Idk if they do exist tho

[analog aspen]

Oh they do

3200 is the holy grail with allll kinds of CL

Welp good thing is my mem can reach 3600cl14 and bad thing is it can’t reach 4000cl17

[edgy hull]

Need some voltage for smth like that I think. My timings are a but lose but I'm doing 3800 16-16-16-16-32 @ 1.5v

[analog aspen]

Remove a stick from your motherboard and look at it from the bottom. If the chips are well distributed on the pcb it's A0. If their are grouped at both end of the pcb it's A2.

Only way to know?

[edgy hull]

Probably, unless it's labeled on the stick. Which AFAIK is either rare or nonexistent

The useful info for RAM is never easily available

[analog aspen]

https://m.imgur.com/a/JKWAB5j

Not mine

[edgy hull]

That one allegedly bdie?

[analog aspen]

They say that’s A2

No that’s the thread host’s RAM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/gon0vx/dram_pcb_revision/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[edgy hull]

Ah, yeah I see. So I guess stupid bad timings do exist with the good models

[analog aspen]

F4-3200C14D-32GTZR

Is my RAM

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071VRMFDQ/ref=pe_2640190_232586610_TE_dp_i1

I’ll just assume it looks like that. Too lazy to deseat it rn

[edgy hull]

One would think it'd be grouped together with the contact points there. But I don't want to call any shots cuz I have no clue about RAM topology and PCB designs

[analog aspen]

Same

🥲

[zenith sonnet]

That's essentially the same kit as my F4-3600C16D-32GTZR
And it's a fairly good bin

I got mine running 3600 C14-13-13-21

[analog aspen]

Yeah mine run at 3600 c14-14-14-34

But it went boom-boom once I tried 5.4ghz

Windows got corrupted

Will check and see if my hardwares are fine once I can get back to my computer

@zenith sonnet can you send me your timings?

Prob not gonna help because all sticks are different

I’ll spend some more time to diligently learn proper RAM OC 😅

[analog aspen]

So third timings on auto

[zenith sonnet]

After that I updated my BIOS and switched to Zen 3 and suddenly there's more settings

Third timings are manual as well

[analog aspen]

Also is it A2?

I think dual rank is B

[zenith sonnet]

The stuff on auto are resistances and things

It's B1

[analog aspen]

Ooo

[analog aspen]

Mine too?

[analog aspen]

Oh you use Thaipoon

This is what I got

🥲

Can’t get it to work

[zenith sonnet]

Go to BIOS and turn that on?

[vagrant marsh]

thaipoon?

never heard of that brand before

[reef patrol]

It's a tool

[vagrant marsh]

christmas ducky!!

need to ask callum to also edit the emote lol.

[ashen spindle]

I sent you the page I'd use, if you want white just get a white one from that list that works for price/size

idk what your budget for a case is or what min/max size

[analog aspen]

I have an ASUS. Maximus XI Hero to be precise. That setting is nowhere to be found

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?97350-DRAM-SPD-write-option

Christmas!!!

[pale sigil]

You sent me a page?

[ashen spindle]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3630-best-worst-pc-cases-2020 ?????

[timid chasm]

https://youtu.be/Fcfj5zil5_Y?t=208

Some of this sure is satisfying to watch

[wheat plume]

Ooo

[timid chasm]

that's a shit ton of effort though

[pale sigil]

They all are either to big or fugly

[wheat plume]

That's what she said

[ashen spindle]

yeah I said "the page I'd use"

[timid chasm]

haha, I knew it was coming

[wheat plume]

That's also what she said

[timid chasm]

aw

[thick elk]

Honestly if I had the tools / expertise to build my own I probably would do so.
However I don't, the most I could theoretically do is mostly 3d print in parts.

[timid chasm]

once we move back and I get access to my workshop again I'm 100% getting a cnc

[thick elk]

I know nothing of wood / metal working.

[ashen spindle]

for me a case is just a storage box for the pc, so I see basically every case as the same, if they have the same shape, funny shapes like a pyramid case or so would be different ofc

[pale sigil]

I’d agree if I wasn’t spending so much on it

[timid chasm]

The lowrider cnc seems neat but I still have a lot of research/time before I ever decide on something

[ashen spindle]

I mean the lancool 2 comes with an exhaust fan and 2 big ass front fans, that's cheaper than if I were to get a 40$ box and the same quality fans

also you can't say that and at the same time consider spending 150$ on a cpu cooler where you could almost get away with the stock cooler

[pale sigil]

To big tho

[timid chasm]

first time I ever heard that

oh and he puts the plans for his case online. Good for him

[ashen spindle]

hence my comment idk what sizes you are fine with if thats too large for a case

[timid chasm]

I thought the rule was: The bigger the figure the better I like it?

[pale sigil]

Ok so it seems like I like the 4000D

I somehow missed that

[timid chasm]

ok this case made from flax materials is fucking cool too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWzzGFfKmQ

[pale sigil]

450mm

Or 430mm

[thick elk]

I would agree that normally this type of spending is mostly not optimal,
If I make builds for other people they are mostly aimed at lower end mobo's / cases / cooling.
However I have money from work I need to burn and I do enjoy the higher end parts.

As for making something myself, it's mostly about enjoying the process, looking at it and thinking I made this rather than the end result.

[timid chasm]

For me, I think the main interest in making it that I could get exactly what I want without compromise so long as I took the time to design it.

but taking the time to design it is huge undertaking, haha

[thick elk]

Time is a huge factor indeed, and here I am shitposting on discord when I could have done a million productive things.

[timid chasm]

holy shit this video is way more involved for time since he did all of it manually instead of using cnc

he drilled 1712 holes for air flow, haha

fuuuuck that.

[pale sigil]

Get ready to see some pleasant photos

[timid chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-just-do-it-ben-stiller-gif-4445206

[ashen spindle]

the bundle came pre installed?

neat

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle ye pretty much

[ashen spindle]

you know, I almost want to watch this video. Just to see angry youtube comments

[timid chasm]

but...it's Jay

[pale sigil]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/corsair-4000d-mid-tower-case-white-tempered-glass-cc-9011199-ww-ca-25k-cs.html

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/corsair-4000d-airflow-white-mid-tower-w-tempered-glass-window-2x-120mm-fans-usb-31-type-c-mitx-matx

[ashen spindle]

hence it's only an almost :p

[timid chasm]

lol

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-5900hx-cezanne-cpu-geekbench-score-leaks ok so it's clearly an early model but uh

how did they manage to have higher ST performance but worse MT vs Renoir??

also excited bc it means at CES we'll definitely see some much better leaptops announced, with top end nvidia gpus so those will not be just on intel anymore

[wheat plume]

why is there a chuck of the mobo missing?

[timid chasm]

lol

you mean the overlapped bubblewrap?

[pale sigil]

huh

[wheat plume]

oh right

[timid chasm]

it looks like you took a bite out of the bottom

[wheat plume]

it does :')

[pale sigil]

oh hahaha

[timid chasm]

how shitty if they sent you a mobo missing a chunk 😂

[wheat plume]

:'))

[halcyon moss]

single thread is imho way more important than multi

[wheat plume]

🤔

[ashen spindle]

sure but I'm confused how they made the score regress?

that would mean decently lower mutlicore clocks, since IPC is much higher

ah I guess if they only allow like 10W less than the other model

the X is new to amd chips so I guess that could be for lower power target chips

makes sense if thats the case

[halcyon moss]

hm yeah

[analog aspen]

@edgy hull hope you don't mind pings. if you do please let me know. k just a quickie I had 10m to sit in my computer. system restored successfully. nothing lost. everything is fine. will start relearning OC again when I have time. fun fun fun

[ashen spindle]

ah still trying for better timings?

[pale sigil]

Oh god

My 5600x from OCUK is shipped

omfg

[analog aspen]

Ye but Windows went nuts when I tried 5.4ghz 1.5v yesterday

[pale sigil]

So ugh

Anyone wanna buy my spare 5600x

[ashen spindle]

[pale sigil]

What do, return bundle.

[ashen spindle]

1.5V sounds a bit high though, would make sure that's safe to run daily

[pale sigil]

or keep bundle

sell cpu

[ashen spindle]

whats cheaper?

[timid chasm]

how much to the US

[pale sigil]

bundle

[ashen spindle]

then keep it lol

[pale sigil]

i meant

cpu

sorry

[ashen spindle]

[pale sigil]

bundle is costing me over 100 more

i dont even know if i can return it

[ashen spindle]

uhh you're still in the EU for a couple weeks I believe? so within 14 days why not

[pale sigil]

its under a pre build situation

[analog aspen]

I used 1.5v with cores disabled so it reaches 78*C maximum during stress test. Vcore can still kill prob? But I think 9900k can take it. If it dies I have an excuse to switch to AMD 🥲

[ashen spindle]

so? you still bought it so you have a right to return

well voltage doesn't care about temps, too much can kill it regardless of it. 1.5 could be safe or not, that's something you'd need to read up somewhere

[analog aspen]

Problem being 5.4ghz + high clock RAM cause instability that damaged my Windows + it’s System Restore. Backups and all that. Had a headache. Luckily it somehow restored. Now I need to make sure if “bad_config” BSOD keeps up. If it does something is wrong with my hardware

[ashen spindle]

oof and you oc'd both so it's hard to say which part really caused it

[analog aspen]

RAM most likely

Bad_config is usually RAM

[pale sigil]

So like the the real value of the bundle

Mobo: 160 pounds
CPU: 300 pounds
RAM: 75 pounds

Total: £535

Paid: £569.99

Need to sell the ram to so - 75 is £494.99

but ill prob sell the ram at 60 so 503

[ashen spindle]

well yeah, but it could also be that your RAM was fine and the cpu was causing it, or the IMC and not the ram itself etc.

ok, why not just return the bundle again?

[analog aspen]

Yeah I’ll prob bench the CPU, then do test on MEM that order

[pale sigil]

if i go my own route

Mobo: 200
Ram: 120 (already paid)
CPU: 300

total 620

ill wait

[ashen spindle]

... why are you getting a 200 mobo

[pale sigil]

till i get my single cpu

more of a max price

[ashen spindle]

returning the bundle and buying the parts you want individually sounds like just the easier way, not need to sell anything

[pale sigil]

tbh

its just the ram

that i dont want

the mobo is quite nice

[ashen spindle]

which one was it again

[pale sigil]

ASUS STRIX B550-F

[ashen spindle]

decent I guess

[pale sigil]

ye, just a bit overpriced

it has what i want

2x M2
Decent IO
M2 covers
Looks nice

[ashen spindle]

had a nice steal and got an aorus pro for just 120

[pale sigil]

noice

does the little fan make any difference

[ashen spindle]

?

what fan

[pale sigil]

on the mobo

on x570s

[ashen spindle]

as in is it loud?

[pale sigil]

useful

does it make a difference overall

like am i missing out

[ashen spindle]

no lol

it's for cooling the chipset, the b550 uses less power and has thus less heat

[pale sigil]

"The H510I is an aquarium where gpus go to die"

[vagrant marsh]

i dont like that front panel

[wheat plume]

.-.

[ashen spindle]

wrong kind of watercooling

[cursive summit]

You put your taskbar at the top?

Wtf is this, Apple?

[vagrant marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-no-this-is-patrick-spongebob-angry-mad-gif-9319809

🤣

srry vex, couldnt help myself

[cursive summit]

Meh

https://c.tenor.com/okE5HOSAIyAAAAAM/akhtar-thất.gif

[wheat plume]

I used to do it to make one of our lecturers stop trying to use my computer while in class

because she wasnt able to figure out how to use it when the taskbar wasnt at the bottom

[vagrant marsh]

nice

[wheat plume]

I love this :')

[misty pier]

I like my taskbars at the top

[urban lynx]

i used to have my sidebar all over the place
there were times i had it on the left, times on the right, top. bottom.
sometimes disapeparing, sometimes not

[wheat plume]

right no .... ew

left , ok

[pale sigil]

isn't VERTICAL GPU mounting bad

[ashen spindle]

not in itself

[wheat plume]

not always

[ashen spindle]

but most cases are short

so you restrict airflow

[pale sigil]

something ive always wanted todo

[ashen spindle]

but if there is enough room, or you are watercooling, it makes no difference

[pale sigil]

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Mid-Tower-ATX-Cases/4000D-Airflow-Tempered-Glass-Mid-Tower-ATX-Case/p/CC-9011200-WW

[ashen spindle]

but most non thicc cases aren't really suited for it

[pale sigil]

https://cwsmgmt.corsair.com/pdp/4000-series/4000d-airflow/videos/corsair_4000x_web_airflow_v2_min-transcode.mp4

[misty pier]

unless you have a side panel with air holes

[pale sigil]

bit exaggerated lad

[misty pier]

but most are just TG

[zenith sonnet]

Well, Voltage without current is (mostly) harmless

[wheat plume]

.-.

try to remove cheese and it will remove the settings and calender

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle Since i respect your opinion can you have a look at the case

[ashen spindle]

the 4kD?

looks fine

[pale sigil]

it just fits dh15

so thats good

if i go that route

[ashen spindle]

decent price, has fans in it, if you like it go for it

[pale sigil]

im gonna replace the fans

tbh

[ashen spindle]

yeye worry about that afterwards if you still think it's needed

[pale sigil]

What do i look for when it comes to ram clearence

between the cooler

[ashen spindle]

you check the motherboard manual and compare cooler width with the distance of cpu socket and ram sockets

[pale sigil]

does seem like i can get away witrh single fan dh15

but then it would make more sense

to go with the smaller one

[reef tundra]

The best way to find out is to run it and check it

[pale sigil]

2 x 1200rpm = 68C
2 x 1000rpm = 70C
2 x 800rpm = 73C
1 x 1480rpm = 70C (+3C)
1 x 1200rpm = 72C (+4C)
1 x 1000rpm = 75C (+5C)
1 x 800rpm = 79C (+6C)```

[ashen spindle]

U12S comes in black or regular, smaller, cheaper, more than enough

[reef tundra]

lower rpm means less noise

[pale sigil]

ayy

[fickle ore]

Never cheap out on cooling & psu if you don't have to is my saying

[ashen spindle]

psu yes, but it's still just a 5600x

65W cpu is not producing gigantic heat ammounts

[reef tundra]

broken fans just cause the psu to shutdown

[ashen spindle]

even with OC, his resolution is 1440p, so never eally fully cpu bound

[fickle ore]

not heat no, but it can produce high temps

[ashen spindle]

like lets assume it's a cpu intense game, decent multithreading, so it uses 4cores/8threads

that';s like 50 watt, 60 if we say a OC and no unvervolt etc.

d15 will get bored lmao