So I'm not sure if I wanna keep my 5950X's
#๐โtech
zenith sonnet
fickle ore
huh
zenith sonnet
919โฌ each from Alternate...
crimson wigeon
Yeah you should send one to me then
zenith sonnet
I'm hoping to catch AMD.com with stock some time during the 30 day return window
The chips should arrive today
fickle ore
399$ gaming king when all shops list it 500-650โฌ here
ashen spindle
well yeah, gaming king for nvidias pockets 
fickle ore
zenith sonnet
What did you expect? Nvidia MSRP is already always 20% below actual store price, when it's not a new product on shelves
fickle ore
I expected a budget card not to cost 1.5x poland's median wage
ashen spindle
you said jimms is a sub company of caseking yes?
cursive summit
That's why you wait at least half a year for the normal launch prices
fickle ore
it's owned by caseking ye
ashen spindle
do me a favor and keep an eye on their 3060ti prices while its out of stock
during the time they 6800 cards launched and now, the price for those cards at caseking changed 3 times and they had no stock or preorders
zenith sonnet
x60 Ti is mid range, though?
zenith sonnet
Isn't that the 50 non-Ti?
zenith sonnet
No, that's the 30
fickle ore
no thats homeless tier card
crimson wigeon
What's 10 then?
zenith sonnet
Retro video out?
ashen spindle
speaking of caseking, I regret ordering my case from them
ordered friday, still not send out zzz
oh
...
cool that is was in stock when I ordered and till yesterday so idk what the hold up is...
fickle ore
which case u got?
I waited like 1.5 month for the lian li
1 month and couting for my 5800x atm
ashen spindle
lancool 2 mesh
urban lynx
... i got my case within 2 days, mindfactory though i think
ashen spindle
Sadly only caseking even had it aside from like conrad lol
urban lynx
conrad as in like this conrad?
ashen spindle
yup
urban lynx
ah gotcha
vagrant marsh
Isnt conrad expensive?
urban lynx
idk
i think i only bought a socket bar from there.
and i had a coupon thingy to use with them
old marlin
conrad is usually rather expensive in low quantities
hard thicket
usually when caseking has something in their storage it gets delivered quick
max 2-3 days
ashen spindle
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
hard thicket
to a neighbour country*
ashen spindle
they say it could take a bit longer atm bc of everything, but since it's in stock I'm just surprised
jsut one thing so wouldn't require any repackaging or so
pale sigil
damn it fits an atx board
ashen spindle
it wont fit regular size ATX powersupply though
old marlin
ye
beat 100
crimson wigeon
Gimmethat
fickle ore
anyone good at maths here?
ashen spindle
depends
fickle ore
Using the upper function
is it =0,412x2,254997332^(1,254-0,0954xLN(2,254997332))
or
=0,412x2,254997332^1,254-0,0954xLN(2,254997332)
cursive summit
The answer is always Trivago
fickle ore
only difference is the use of parantheses
cursive summit
Yeah I got no clue lad
ashen spindle
yeah been too long since I did this stuff
fickle ore
Is potency's sum calculated together before it's taken from the number?
X_x
Yeah I'm doing some radiation physics atm
cursive summit
I don't have a clue about being a mutant so yeah, beyond my area of expertise
ashen spindle
I have my theoretical chemistry books somewhere but would be too long to find that
wolfram alpha not working for that?
fickle ore
nah it's fine
It's only a radiation shield thickness, what could possibly go wrong
two values, I'll choose the thicker one... kek
1,07 cm and 1,06 cm ๐
ashen spindle
oh wait
it's the first one of your parenthesis options
what
no, the first of your 2 options is the correct one
ye
number 1) is the way
fickle ore
Yeah I think so too
ashen spindle
let me see if I can find english terms of what it's called
fickle ore
you calculate everything within the potency before you take it from the first part right?
yeah stupid english
ashen spindle
ye basically that
fickle ore
roger
theres only 0,01 cm diff anyway
doesnt matter if correct, choosing thicker just betta anyway
ashen spindle
basically
doing calc in the power is the same as multiple with the same base
so you just combine that first
ashen spindle
you first made me think it's about other parts bc you included all the rest xD
fickle ore
nub
๐
yea cuz discord sucks apparently
multiply mark doesnt work (*) and it loses subscript/superscripts ๐ฆ
vagrant marsh
@ashen spindle this is the tech channel, not math 
ashen spindle
wheat plume
Its such pretty case tho....
fickle ore
need ":kekw:" emote on this channel cmon founders I cant live without it
fickle ore
ye
ashen spindle
fickle ore
yeahhhh
ashen spindle
weird
guess that card on msrp would actually be nice
replaces the 1070 price slot
wait apparently my cooler and my SSD are now both supposed to arrive today
wtf will I just miss a case
cmon caseking
crimson wigeon
case"king" indeed
fickle ore
Ye at msrp I might consider it depending on 6700/xt will see. AMD should price the 6700xt at 300$ cuz still lagging so much behind nvidia in software and support, and if u guys read amd reddit ppl are complaining about dx9/dx11 perf in older games. But AMD prob stupid af and tries to price same as nvidia
ashen spindle
if u guys read amd reddit
hell no
not a single subreddit exists that I would use, unless it's literally just art showcase or lists or something, free conversation subreddits are 100% of the time a shit show
fickle ore
still, some older dx11 games that don't multithread themselves have craptastic performance on AMD since amd doesnt do DCL's, but it's also the reason why if a game themselves multithreads well, it runs better on equivalent AMD than Nvidia, cuz DCL's add cpu overhead
So I kinda see the issue
vagrant marsh
What the actual living fuck
The store changed my order
From the 5800 to the 3100
old marlin
wtf
ashen spindle
didnt know you could buy directly form userbenchmark
vagrant marsh
Why would i pay 450 for a 31p0
fickle ore
ask them
vagrant marsh
Im now on the phone with them
old marlin
lol
vagrant marsh
But i got the email saying i ordered the 5800x. I do notice the ID number they use for the 5800x and the now 3100 are the same
fickle ore
^
vagrant marsh
Maxict
fickle ore
boycotterino
vagrant marsh
Good thing i ordered through paypal. Can always claim back the money if they are a bad business
fickle ore
imagine u were in a queue and now you're reset
ashen spindle
sorry had to answer the door, other pc part came in, are we still talking about people not getting stuff?
old marlin
vagrant marsh
Alright
Dude looked it over with his supervisor. Appearently the supplier linked the wrong product. So on their website everything is linked to an ID. In this case 18006485. Which is the ryzen 7 5800x. So i still ordered the right cpu. However, their supplier said it was the 3100. So they tied that ID number with the 3100, even though it is the 5800x. So since their system is tied to that number, my order suddenly said it was a 3100 instead of the 5800. However, the order still stands. Im gonna get the 5800.
So id say its webdesign rookie mistake.
old marlin
dunno why they just pull the info from their supplier and then set it up to just change when their supplier messes up
vagrant marsh
If thats the case im gonna return the product and put in a paypal claim and blacklist that website cause thats a rookie mistake.
A website calling themselves MAX ict shouldnt be allowed to make such a minor mistake.
Shit
Got me sweating there
Fuckers
Im just casually checking my order and suddenly it says ryzen 3 3100
Fuck
ashen spindle
doubt he is very excited about downgrading though
vagrant marsh
They linked the wrong product on their site
ashen spindle
the box also still shows the 5800
crisp granite
not bad
vagrant marsh
Yea ur right quin. Box says ryzen 7
crimson wigeon
seems like 3060 Ti might have decent availability I don't know
vagrant marsh
Yea, lets release more graphics cards.
Might want to fix availability of existing releases first
crisp granite
someone got stabbed in my city last night trying to sell scalp a 3080
vagrant marsh
You know a 3060 is made out of the many failed 3080's ๐
ashen spindle
yeah or you just release the cards so people can buy them, since not releasing them wouldn't change anything for the other cards
and thats false
80/90 share a chip and 70/60(ti)
crisp granite
so it's actually made of failed 3070's
ashen spindle
you can't turn a failed 80/90 insto a 70 or 60
zenith sonnet
vagrant marsh
give me one plz
Wait are those 5900 or 5950?
5950's are in stock in the netherlands.
crimson wigeon
Typical
wheat plume
y u haz 2?
vagrant marsh
He is a home office worker
wheat plume
aahhhhhhhhhh
crisp granite
so he needs 2 16 core powerhouses
old marlin
lol
crisp granite
I don't get it
vagrant marsh
16 core. 32 core. 64 threads
vagrant marsh
Yea, but he needs it for rendering stuff
zenith sonnet
Wife's rig, my rig.
crimson wigeon
Why wouldn't you need all them cores?
crisp granite
for csgo at 500+ fps, most likely
wheat plume
wheat plume
temps for PCIE devices apparently
vagrant marsh
Only 1.09v?
crisp granite
gtx 1660
vagrant marsh
Ahh
wheat plume
also only have discord and youtube open
crisp granite
ahhh
vagrant marsh
83 degrees on idle?
crimson wigeon
Nvidia doesn't expose information through that subsystem
wheat plume
wheat plume
?
crisp granite
single fan, right?
crisp granite
ooof
wheat plume
the OC version...dont ask me why they decide to OC a single fan card
old marlin
nah
ashen spindle
because why should they not
old marlin
OC versions are easy cashgrabs
crisp granite
cuz single fan cards suck big ones
crisp granite
a gtx 1660
old marlin
is fine for that
ashen spindle
yup
pale sigil
new chair is made
noice
my back feels great
but is adjusting....
and i can feel it...
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/AMD/status/1334135492313575427 prob cezanne/lucienne announcements, maybe hints at zen 3 epyc/TR
Twitter
wheat plume
yeh
I know
but minecraft is what I had open already
O.o its at 81C
this software tells me 83C is the max
fickle ore
@ashen spindle did u get same ram as me
fickle ore
coz we got same case and cpu? nearly identical shit D:
wud've been easy to compare silicon quality and temps etc
ashen spindle
gskill ripjaws 2x16@3600
ashen spindle
uhhh I think it was 130?
fickle ore
not bad
ashen spindle
cl16 kit
fickle ore
got mine for 124โฌ;ppp
ashen spindle
and cooler is just a U12S
fickle ore
get a 2nd cooler
misty pier
O.o its at 81C
80c is ok
fickle ore
for that
misty pier
my gpu temps always sit around there under load
wheat plume
I forgot AntVenom has a strange computer setup
All his stuff is in the basement such as his PC and whatnot and he connects monitors and keyboard and mouse and whatnot via cables running through his walls to his desk
ashen spindle
anyone knows how to easily get the nvme controller name/id from an SSD?
@reef patrol @fair gull ?
reef patrol
Look at it?
ashen spindle
reef patrol
Not even kidding. Look up a review of it and they'll have named it xD
Dis is a Phison... forgot the name.
ashen spindle
yes I was looking for a software option so I wont need to take it out of my pc xD
I know what ssd it is, but not which controller
and since they use different controllers for the same model, cant really just look at a review for it
ah found an old picture of it
anyway, reason for it
I had the same SSD but looks like I got lucky
and have the good controller
XPG SX8200 Pro if anyone else happens to have this and wants to check
reef patrol
... Quin xD
ashen spindle
it's not a gigantic difference
reef patrol
You didn't ask for software. Crystaldiskinfo for future reference xD
reef patrol
That'd be a first.
ashen spindle
thats literally why I looked it up and linked the article xD
reef patrol
What a useless article ๐
"You might get a different controller!"
"The performance is... basically identical! Horror!"
ashen spindle
well it's toms, also yea for most parts, they did see a like 9% difference in some areas
reef patrol
The articles doesn't mention at all how many times they ran the tests, which is a big red flag.
I can easily get 10-20% difference on the SAME drive by running the test again and again xD
fickle ore
Mansen you care too little about things
ashen spindle
well that's a valid point, but the difference is consistent between the 3 on all tests, just with different ammounts
so we get enough smaples from that alone
vagrant marsh
all the 5950x backorders in the netherlands are fullfilled and its getting in stock here and there
but really alot of people ordered a 5900. that probably wont be in stock this year
ashen spindle
I didn't like linking it, as it's a toms article, but even if we assume it were bad testing and each test is only run once, that would still be way too unlikely that all 3 perform consistently above/below the others
fair gull
fair gull
if its not detected by these it could be a marwell
ashen spindle
but thx
ashen spindle
ye I found an old picture so I didn't need to take my pc apart
fair gull
๐
ashen spindle
still weird that you cant easily find that in software
fair gull
well the difference isnt night and day
but i do have some customers who want that ~2% difference
(guesstimated value not tested)
ashen spindle
sure, but with all the random crap you can find out in software, that seems more usefull than other things
fair gull
eh even ssd checking and lifetime guessing isnt really possible
some manufacturers have tools
others dont
theres no real universal tool
the only software that attempts it that i found was hdat2 but that requires a dos environment
ashen spindle
yeah I guess there might not even be a set way to expose it, or maybe some dont even do it at all
not really familiar with nvme spec lol
ashen spindle
oh now I realise why my case is not send out yet
I forgot friday was black friday bc the case was just a regular order, so I forgot they are just swamped with logistics lol
hard thicket
out of emergency, i ordered a new ram kit from a local store that told me "they have it in their storage room"
now im waiting here for the 4th day
for that damn thing to arrive
orders from china arrive faster ffs
ashen spindle
Rip
hard thicket
when it comes to emergencies i'll try to stick with amazon i guess in the future
true quest
only of absolute necessity
hard thicket
pretty much
ashen spindle
Itโs sad, I want to not use Amazon and rarely do, but other sites just donโt keep up
misty pier
yeah other sites don't really keep up
true quest
a lot off newegg seems to be filled with trash
hard thicket
if amazon had better stock when it comes to pc hardware, id use it more often
but they dont sadly
true quest
that is not to dismiss their good stuff
hard thicket
gpu's are kinda nonexistent on amazon
true quest
or shitty offers, mainly from smaller sellers
hard thicket
or that yeah
hard thicket
wtfff
misty pier
people must be making a killing off of selling that
reef patrol
๐
fickle ore
wud be nice if
hard thicket
will ddr5 actually make it possible to pack a higher storage cache than ddr4 ?
fickle ore
we can get a board in future that supports ryzen 5000 series
ashen spindle
they wont stop making it as enough system will need it for long term etc.
fickle ore
can upgrade platform to pcie-5 and ddr5
hard thicket
or is it purely power,latency and clock improvment
ashen spindle
latency is basically the same
ashen spindle
you will get bigger modules
fickle ore
vs ddr4
restive gate
afaik, ddr generations have nothing to do with capacity, just timings and freqeuncy
the capacity thing is happening because capacity advances only with relevant tech
hard thicket
atleast something then
ashen spindle
hard thicket
uh
restive gate
so while ddr5 will undoubtedly be bigger on average, it's not because ddr4 couldn't be
hard thicket
quite a jump
fickle ore
y I want ddr5/pcie5 platform with ryzen 5800x ๐
hard thicket
all that left is then a FCLK of 2500 or above
fickle ore
my favourite game in a ramdisk ggwp
altho directstorage + RTX I/O might be good enough
ashen spindle
what's the + for, they are the same thing are they not?
nvidia just once again likes to claim a directX feature as their own creation
crimson wigeon
Gotta have RTX to make it even better!
vagrant marsh
they shouldnt scam ur ass like that, tho
ashen spindle
is it scam or incompetence though
vagrant marsh
so someone who explicitly asks not to include warranty or anything, ends up paying for 2 types of warranties, is incompetence?
ashen spindle
on dell's end, not his lol
reef patrol
Oh this is definitely a scam.
reef patrol
They actively declined these things, were included anyway... and paid for.
So whether an error or not, it is in the customers eyes a literal scam.
ashen spindle
ok fair, better wording would've been, is it a malicious scam or just low end employees doing what they have to do for quotas etc., it's wrong either way
chrome prawn
@analog aspen my Sayl just arrived!
analog aspen
AYYYYY! How was it
The more I dove into ergo chair the more I see thereโs fricking science behind all this
Thereโs science behind sitting comfortably for a long time
restive gate
they shouldnt scam ur ass like that, tho
never said they should, I agree 100%, just saying that if you actually know your stuff, then the actual product is usually pretty good in terms of quality
I just wouldn't ever call their support for help
misty pier
thats kinda what I like about logitech mice lmao
reef patrol
Yep. Staple of a lot of Logitech mice if you unlock the wheel.
reef patrol
100% something I would never use though ๐
reef patrol
I find it too loose and inaccurate on websites.
crisp granite
I just keep it with the defined steps
reef patrol
I'd rather just increase the locked, "clicky" mode ๐
crisp granite
the scroll wheel on the mx master 3 is super tactile
so I just keep it on that setting
ashen spindle
who would've thought, the part I'm waiting on for the longest time for my pc would be the case
ashen spindle
nah I just ordered it friday and forgot they'll be busy
bc black friday, but it was no discount, just a regular purchase bc friday I decided on my case xD
restive gate
If it makes you feel any better that's the only part I have lol
CPU and GPU haven't even been ordered because, well, I can't
ashen spindle
want to buy my old gpu then? 
restive gate
What GPU lol?
ashen spindle
1080
restive gate
Oof, that's more tempting than I'd like to admit
ashen spindle
warnign, I haven't yet figured out why it started crashing couple weeks ago, if I don't undervolt it xD
restive gate
Weird
ashen spindle
I hope it's just the extra heat causes it and paste isn't great anymore or so
restive gate
That makes sense
ashen spindle
but I aint taking the cooler off of my work from home machine before I got the new rig up lel
restive gate
Logical
Not worth the effort
Especially if you end up breaking it, and then need it later
ashen spindle
well I still have my old 770 around, but who knows if that would work now etc.
restive gate
Understandable
ashen spindle
honestly hope it's just some dust I missed or so, to make it easier to sell xD
edgy hull
spare hardware is honestly so great
zenith sonnet
Is there a reason to reinstall windows after upgrading from 3000 series to 5000 series Ryzen?
edgy hull
sounds like a crappy PSU
8p cable easily handles like 500w+ power
well, EPS does I guess. PCIe cable does have less 12v cables
however, decent 8p cable should have absolutely zero issues with 245w of power
in fact, I've ran 250w per PCIe cable before without issue
and know people that have done 315w per cable
again, without issue
hard thicket
you have to get into the advanced options
somewhere on the right side
in that window
if you have installed the chipset driver, it should be in
pale sigil
Left side if you use control panel like a normal person
zenith sonnet
if you have installed the chipset driver, it should be in
Did that, and it's not there
Well, this works I guess
ashen spindle
yea that reddit post is an idiot not reading what parts are needed
the recommendations are extra safety for crappy PSUs, so he ignored them and had a bad PSU
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ any card, amd or nvidia would've caused that
pale sigil
@vagrant marsh there has been a large batch going out to all coutries
for end of dec deliveries
zenith sonnet
After some searching I found out that "Meet Now" is just a feature that links to either Skype, or Skype Web in your browser if you don't have it installed, and it's not actually a program by itself.
But god damn MS, is it so hard to just give the user a brief overview to recent changes when you patch something in, and maybe a link to some patch notes online?!
zenith sonnet
Only complaint I have about my O11D is that it is not very dust proof at all
zenith sonnet
After a year, there's some dust inside, but the dust filter mats are still almost clean, lol
old marlin
lol
halcyon moss
better to hop over the border @zenith sonnet ๐
wheat plume
After a year, there's some dust inside, but the dust filter mats are still almos...
"some" dust
Ive had my PC for like 3 months now and there is a layer of dust on the fans and a very very fine layer inside the case
halcyon moss
clean your room
zenith sonnet
better to hop over the border <@!211151302535806976> ๐
Which border? I'm confus
halcyon moss
dutch
zenith sonnet
"some" dust
Ive had my PC for like 3 months now and there is a layer of dust on ...
Clean your room, but most importantly don't put the case on the floor
halcyon moss
see screenshot above
wheat plume
Clean your room, but most importantly don't put the case on the floor
yeah, idk why tf my room is so dusty, I would say its because of the carpet on the floor but my friends room is dusty too and his floor is wooden
zenith sonnet
It's mostly about air movement and cloth items being used there I think
E.g. making your bed creates a ton or airborne dust
wheat plume
yeah :/
solar hinge
yeah :/
@wheat plume
Simple solution, don't make your bed...
halcyon moss
bad @solar hinge
wheat plume
:p
solar hinge
bad @solar hinge
@halcyon moss evidence has shown, that not making your bed reduces health risks, such as asthma
All I'm doing is looking out for Lana's health
wheat plume
> bad <@!195174881464156161>
<@76617282586947584> evidence has shown, that not m...
Really?!
X to doubt
solar hinge
I think it's a real think, can't look it up now, but because making your bed, it creates a nice environment for dust mites etc. And they are one of the reasons for asthma
wheat plume
ashen spindle
and just eat the dust mites, free extra protein
wheat plume
exactly
solar hinge
Pfff overreacting City dweller with his utmost cleanness @halcyon moss
Eat my dust @halcyon moss
thick elk
Interesting to read up on the making your bed thing. Mostly seems to concern dust mites, if you are not sensitive to them it should not be a problem.
I personally always make my bed before going to sleep, not in the morning. It's not like my room would not be messy either way. The only time It's not a mess is the hour after cleaning it.
fickle ore
I don't make my bed, gf does it for free
thick elk
It's not like it takes a lot of time anyway.
fickle ore
dunno, never tried
thick elk
Wait never, not even before you started living with your gf?
fickle ore
moms rock
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1334391551473041408 so uh, rip intel I guess
top end rocket lake cpu = 5800X
pale sigil
top end as in i9?
thick elk
Backporting 10nm to 14nm does come at a cost of die space
pale sigil
or i7
ashen spindle
bit slower but it's not the final stepping etc. so I'll give them the benefit of doubt and say the 10% multithread deficit can be made up till release
top end
idk what they market it as
thick elk
Also this is an HP which will follow TDP pretty strict so no million year boosts on 300w.
ashen spindle
yeah, that's why the best will have 8 cores despite comet lake having 10 cores
ashen spindle
well we knew that
thick elk
they may take the crown again in some more games.
Ice lake does have a bit better ipc after all.
thick elk
I thought it was mostly a frequency regression not ipc?
ashen spindle
let me see if I can find something about it, I know who posted it but idk when/where
wheat plume
There is no such thing as "The Cloud", it is simply just someone else's computer
ashen spindle
well I can't find it
too hard when the guy talks about intel quite often and things like "worse" and "regression" have too many search hits lmao
thick elk
There is definitely a regression in boosts so maybe the actual performance is worse.
ashen spindle
the issue is they almost always comapred IPC vs the original skylake
so with the improvements till comet lake, that's all gone basically
and then add in that it clocks much lower
thick elk
if these are the specs we are looking at a 10% regression in clock speeds.
Either way if it's not a regression, it's certainly not a large improvement.
ashen spindle
For the next two years, 14nm will still have the performance crown.
from his article in june 2019, spot on lol
https://twitter.com/CDemerjian here, you can see if you can find more accurate stuff either on his site or in his tweets, I couldn't find it
fickle ore
hard to gauge regression vs O.G skylake, cuz since then intel has had +1000000000000 security patches some in software some in hw
ashen spindle
and the fact that they skip over cannon lake, with new naming that one would be on 10nm-
fickle ore
Even AMD Zen 3 gets like 6% boost with spectre patches disabled
thick elk
I disabled the patches on my pc, I don't think they are needed
fickle ore
the ones that require access to PC aren't but the other ones are needed imo
rocket lake will prob get more vulns that reduce perf anyway
ashen spindle
worried about intel tbh
comet lake, rocket lake, meteor lake, lunar lake, very ambitious program, but doesn't matter if you crash into mars and die
fickle ore
too many damn lakes, and all have bad water
ashen spindle
need the water to keep them cool with the insane heat
soon the stock cooler they ship with will be a water cooler
crisp granite
soon the stock cooler they ship with will be a water cooler
FX 9590 all over again
hard thicket
8350 masterrace
the most fun i've had overclocking a cpu
i'd do it again if i would stop my behaviour of burning them down
crisp granite
you can buy them used for less than $100 now
hard thicket
i know did it like 6 times
crisp granite
get a good mobo and you're set for cheap (relatively) OC fun
I might just buy some
crisp granite
someone near me is selling 10 of them for $400
hard thicket
also a good entry cpu for LN2
hard thicket
thats hella cheap
hard thicket
perhaps they are broken ??
hard thicket
what do use btw ?
crisp granite
rn?
hard thicket
to OC
crisp granite
I got no OC headroom
crisp granite
I've tried
crisp granite
I don't have one yet
hard thicket
communication at its finest
crisp granite
but if they all work, I'll buy all of them
just for something to do over the holidays
any suggestions for an AM3 mobo?
crisp granite
budget-$200 CAD
hard thicket
just the board ??
crisp granite
OC level-fire extinguisher on standby
yup
I'm thinking that $200 can get me a good board
ashen spindle
probably best to look at buildzoid's old videos where he does LN2 on older cpus and see what he uses
crisp granite
I was just gonna use a liquid cooler
or maybe mod that coolermaster 360mm subzero cooler to mount AM3
and use that
not LN2
I don't have the balls for that
hard thicket
so chiller then
crisp granite
yup
zenith sonnet
ELP
My speakers don't output audio any more after updating BIOS and Chipset drivers
Seems to be working fine on the OS side...
ashen spindle
so uh
yesterday I said DRAM prices probably change (bc of ddr5 production)
today micron had an outage on around a thousand production machines that might take weeks to recover
crimson wigeon
Ah shit, here we go again
ashen spindle
good part, it's only one part and might not affect much, micron to issue PR statement soon
fickle ore
self-caused outage to inflate prices again woo
fickle ore
fucking hell I want my 5800x now
ashen spindle
give me your case so I can start building my pc and I'll draw you a 5800x in paint on it
zenith sonnet
Apparently something weird happened
And instead of Rear speaker I now have to use Line Out to get sound
...
crisp granite
cool
ashen spindle
waht did you pay for it
ashen spindle
oh god that scared me
ashen spindle
whats the bundle?
pale sigil
ashen spindle
why not use it
fickle ore
seems ok
ashen spindle
so just refund that ram? should be easier
ashen spindle
so just dont be lazy and use manual timings instead of XMP profile
and you get same performance
analog aspen
And instead of Rear speaker I now have to use Line Out to get sound
Reinstall sound driver into Windows HD
Instead of Realtek driver
ashen spindle
especially since you're not playing at 1080p
analog aspen
Thatโs what I did for my client
zenith sonnet
Reinstall sound driver into Windows HD
Like it said, not a driver issue
analog aspen
so just dont be lazy and use manual timings instead of XMP profile
My RAM canโt even get to 3600mhz and itโs dual-rank bdie. Yikes...
analog aspen
Like it said, not a driver issue
Itโs not driver issue. Thereโs no issue. But you have to do that if your driver is not Windows HD
ashen spindle
sure but we dont even know what type either of his sticks are, for all we know the 3200 kit could be better
analog aspen
I lost the silicon lottery xD
crimson wigeon
Or you can use the Realtek tool to change what the inputs and outputs are
zenith sonnet
According to that, I am using Front Speaker out right now
Which is labelled Line Out on the IO shield
With one of the BIOS versions, they must have moved the ports around
pale sigil
both are corsair rgb ones
ashen spindle
that is very broad
analog aspen
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BZwqqs/gskill-memory-f43200c14d32gvk?ref=ppxe @ashen spindle this is my RAM
analog aspen
Idk
crimson wigeon
You're acting like a robot
analog aspen
More or less
But yeah the fact that it canโt get to 3600mhz bugged the shit out of me
ashen spindle
ah, similar to what I got then
analog aspen
Oh well
analog aspen
Yeah I donโt wanna loosen timing just for the sake of getting 3600mhz
3200mhz cl14 bdie should be able to get to 3600 cl15 no problem
Otherwise itโs the same or worse
ashen spindle
no I meant callum's memory
the one in the bundle has a high chance to be the exact same thing just different default values
analog aspen
Well check the chart and youโll know for sure
But rated 3600 will get to 3600 for sure
Rated 3200 is not guaranteed
Like mine ๐ฅฒ
Me cri
ashen spindle
yeah I know 3200 16 and 1600 18 are the same (thx for the chart though, thats neat to have)
couldnt see secondaries so cant be 100% it's the same, but I bet it's the exact same
analog aspen
Also I know jackshit about RAM OC tbh
The only thing I know to adjust is CL
Thereโs this 1T 2T thing?
zenith sonnet
I gotta get working on tweaking my RAM again
ashen spindle
zenith sonnet
Wonder how high the fabric clock goes
ashen spindle
might be interresting for you in that case
analog aspen
Nice thanks Quint
ashen spindle
but yeah, try timings, maybe with the help of the ram calculator tool for ryzen and just see if it works
analog aspen
Maybe Iโll finally get these mofos to 3600mhz without huge sacrifice
I use Intel?
pale sigil
could just have 64gb ram 
ashen spindle
ah rip, then idk if there is a ram timings caluclator
true, should be able to use both of your kits, but thats probably a bit overkill for what you need lol
analog aspen
I always heard that dual-rank is harder to OC than single-rank
But dual-rank perform better (?)
analog aspen
Itโs mixed based on my research
misty pier
overclocking ram is still a weird concept for me to understand
analog aspen
In the past based on the wiki dual-rank performed WORSE than single
misty pier
tried overclocking my sticks but I don't think they're even that good for OC
ashen spindle
single rank doesn't have the option to split up data, so the performance is a bit lower, but because of that you also only have 1 instead of 2 memory banks you need to adjust
analog aspen
@misty pier unless you play RAM-intensive game like Overwatch. Your gain from OC-ing the stick is about as much as OC-ing the cache xD
misty pier
yeah at this point I'm not bothering
ashen spindle
the only reason it performs worse is if it can't be made with the same quality, hence really version just didn't work out that well
misty pier
i got a 2x16 dual rank ram?
misty pier
all I know is the chips on it aren't as.. good?
not the ones that all those overclockers tend to favor
misty pier
f
analog aspen
๐ฅฒ
misty pier
yeah I guess OC'ing is never a possibility then
analog aspen
32 are usually dual rank
misty pier
I need the extra wam
analog aspen
If you put pairs that are not from the same manufacture
You ought to be careful
Itโll only run at the speed of your slowest stick
misty pier
then again, ITX boards aren't particularly good for OC right?
analog aspen
Yup
misty pier
yeah that explains my dilemma then
ashen spindle
well, yes and no
pale sigil
little sad that im stuck with atx tho
analog aspen
ITX boards can be fine but the fact that their case are very bad for thermal
Hence bad for OC
ashen spindle
they are better by often having shorter traces to the CPU, but most that are not high end safe on the PCB layers, which is a bigger negative than shorter traces
reef patrol
then again, ITX boards aren't particularly good for OC right?
Hahaha.
ITX boards are just as good/bad as ATX in terms of space. It's the quality of the board that matters.
misty pier
๐ค
ashen spindle
pretty much
reef patrol
Nothing "removed" from the board affects heat.
pale sigil
i could return the kit i got i guess and buy another 16gb 3200mhz
reef patrol
CPU is in the same place. The VRM cooling area is the same. The GPU is just as far/close.
misty pier
its just smaller
misty pier
way more harder to plug stuff into as well ๐
analog aspen
Liquid cooler > air unless with DH15
ashen spindle
most ram sticks dont care up till like 60C and even then it depends on what type they are
misty pier
yeah i got a liquid cooler that keeps my cpu at a nice 40C but the rest of my components are just on fire
pale sigil
fu
misty pier
especially my nvme drive
pale sigil
DH15 is the king
analog aspen
I know
pale sigil
Claire
misty pier
yeah I could fit a dh15 into my case
pale sigil
OI
misty pier
its been done before 
analog aspen
Do it
pale sigil
misty pier
but I don't know if it justifies spending another $100 atm
getting my mother a robot vacuum for christmas
analog aspen
yeah i got a liquid cooler that keeps my cpu at a nice 40C but the rest of my co...
Well how did you position the radiator
It can acts as extra exhaust to pull heat from inside your case
Your CPU will be a bit hotter though
misty pier
i put my radiator facing up
analog aspen
getting my mother a robot vacuum for christmas
Same but already bought during Black Friday
$200 sale
Itโs all scratched up after first use ๐
Make sure you get the one with UNUNUN pattern
And not random ass pattern
misty pier
pattern?
analog aspen
Cleaning path
Mineโs dumb af
Itโs random so it cleans half the room and leave the other half ๐คช
misty pier
guess I should read into which to purchase then
analog aspen
Or clean 1 part over and over and over and over
misty pier
I love doing some researching before I buy 
reef patrol
Liquid cooler > air unless with DH15
Plenty of smaller air coolers that still beat liquid cooling
misty pier
if I didn't care about aesthetics then I would've gotten the fuma 2
analog aspen
This I got
Didnโt really like it due to inefficient pathing
Probably gonna switch to i7
misty pier
think about getting those eufy ones
analog aspen
Probably better below $500 yeah
misty pier
yeah, I have a limit of $220
misty pier
I just want one that I can put googly eyes on and cleans well
think most should fit under our couches too
we got couches that are kind of high off the ground so cleaning should be good
analog aspen
I just want one that I can put googly eyes on and cleans well
They get all scratched up and wonโt be cute anymore
Mine legit covered in battle scar after just ONE use
misty pier
yeah this one I'm looking at.. has TG on the top
analog aspen
Also do you have carpet?
misty pier
although I don't know if it can handle the pile rugs we got?
analog aspen
To be fair my house has both
misty pier
if only I could test which works best ๐
analog aspen
Hardwood upstairs and carpet down in the finished basement
The roomba cleans both just fine
misty pier
thankfully I have a single story house with no basement so, it should be easy for the robot to clean the whole house
analog aspen
So Iโd take whatever written on there with a grain of salt
analog aspen
if only I could test which works best ๐
Amazon 30-days return no hassle ๐
misty pier
although I'm tempted to try out those ones that mop
I hate mopping my floors but a robot doing the mopping job sounds intriguing
analog aspen
Thatโs what my mom said
misty pier
although if the robot helps cleans the floor for me then I might be more satisfied with mopping
but it's just so heavy to push around
analog aspen
Hmmmm pick your poison
misty pier
๐ค
analog aspen
Yeah they those work with roomba
Same company so they have compatibility
Tbh the best approach is to do it yourself
Human body needs to stay active to be healthy
misty pier
yeah I think I do a better job mopping than a robot
analog aspen
Consider that exercising
misty pier
my dog is shedding 24/7, 365 days a year
ashen spindle
just make sure you get one that works without internet connection lmao
ashen spindle
otherwise you end up like all the people recently who couldn't clean bc amazon servers were down
misty pier
ah yeah the ones without internet would work best
analog aspen
just make sure you get one that works without internet connection lmao
Spyware?
Uhhh how so
There button on top of the robot
Just press on it
ashen spindle
idk which models it was, just there was a outage on AWS recently and stuff that was only on AWS USA-east wouldn't work, and that included some automatic vacuums
analog aspen
I think you mean voice activated?
ashen spindle
nope
analog aspen
Cause these use Alexa for voice activation
Thatโs the only connection it has to AWS
ashen spindle
it wasn't amazon's own products
analog aspen
Otherwise just go click on itโs top
ashen spindle
it was just some version that used AWS as the host for their servers
misty pier
๐ค
analog aspen
Weird
Also @misty pier think about if you want self-empty bins
These bins are extremely nasty
misty pier
I don't think that's necessary for me
misty pier
I don't mind taking it apart time to time to clean out the internal bin
analog aspen
You get 2 filters to switch in and out
misty pier
I mean I seen how nasty the vacuum bins are like on my corded ones