Me neither. In fact, we are busier than ever.
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
they are putting out the same wafers as was planned before, the cards are not stuck in transit either, nor at a boxing stop or whatever
a bit higher demand from more people at home, sure, but that is only making the demand a bit higher, the little supply is not from covid at all
urban lynx
isnt it because they basically all use the same supplier for some of the silicone or something?
ashen spindle
it's because xbox, ps5, new cpus, new gpus, laptop chips, old gpus, old cpus etc. all come from the same node
and there is only so many wafers you can work on per month/week/day
intel has had 14nm shortages for a year+ and they barely released something new, ofc something much better thats fully new creates even more demand, and they can make much less than intel can
crisp granite
damn
also doesn't help that a lot of that is on the same manufacturing node iirc
everything 7nm
ashen spindle
thats what I meant with "all come from the same node"
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
@old marlin do you still have that PSU spreadsheet? I cant find the link to it
cursive summit
Is the Curry's shop old?
pale sigil
Curry's has been around for a long time
cursive summit
I got my first ad about them a few weeks back
And ever since then they always started popping up in search results
If you asked me few months back if I knew what Currys was, I'd have no clue
pale sigil
It's a UK place
cursive summit
Maybe because I checked at UK retails, Curry's ads became targeted towards me prolly
pale sigil
Lol
ashen spindle
@old marlin nvm I found it
old marlin
what?
ashen spindle
reef patrol
Anyone got a good article on the supposed nVidia mining sell off?
I can only find unsourced, poorly written copy paste ones.
ashen spindle
nice
hard thicket
i barely had 60 on my 2080 before
reef patrol
Looks stretched.
hard thicket
yeah im playing on max fov ingame, should reduce it
ashen spindle
oh I found something on the mining stuff
on wccftech aka trash website with no credibility
reef patrol
Goodie!
ashen spindle
so as long as its just from sites like that I wouldnt trust it
reef patrol
At least they have sources.
ashen spindle
it also doesn't make sense for nvidia to do that
reef patrol
I mean nVidia couldn't care less.
reef patrol
Their margins are probably a lot better when they don't have to sell coolers.
ashen spindle
I mean, it results in less money, bad pr, less market share, I dont see the gain
like, that would mean they would mean they made over 100k gpus and sold it to miners without anyone noticing it or anyone leaking that info, that seems extremely unlikely
also based on the same numbers, they would've still made 2 Billion in gaming revenue, without basically selling any stock?
urban lynx
a) is discord only slow for me today b) I havent seen anything on that
been slow for me every now and then today too. you're not alone there
ashen spindle
ah good to know
also I'm really glad RAM is so cheap now
bc the money it's cheaper now, I have to put into a PSU bc they went way up in price lmao
vagrant marsh
havnt really noticed that here yet
vagrant marsh
major shops sell it for only 320 or something
but yesterday there were none. now there are 4 shops with a little stock
wait a freaking minute....
3 of those sites use a similar layout
ashen spindle
what even are those 
vagrant marsh
like small sites, but the comparisment site is legit. if it were scam sites htey wouldnt be put up here
ashen spindle
no what product lol
ashen spindle
lol get scammed
vagrant marsh
yea
though, honestly, at this point i just want one of the new cpu's
but it gotta be a freaking 5900x. 5600 not worth it
ashen spindle
why is it not worth it
crisp granite
5600X is actually great
crimson wigeon
Not enough cores
vagrant marsh
the reason why i always bought an i7 over an i5. it lasts longer. hell, i had my i7 980 all the way up until they almost released the 7000 series.
ashen spindle
with that argument you probably want a 5800 then, only one CCD so better performance there
vagrant marsh
since i can upgrade from my 3600 to the 5900, its just upgrading the cpu. im not gonna buy a new motherboard, and perhaps ddr5 memory that came out in the meantime for the next cpu (zen 4?). that would be a whole lot extra costs. but just upgrading the cpu to the latest in upgradability, i would prefer to move to the max affordable. in this case the 5900x
so it will last a lot longer, in my mind atleast
ashen spindle
uhhh you got that ultra ultra wide right?
vagrant marsh
hell, maybe i wouldnt feel the need to upgrade with the 5900x until they release the 8000 series
yea
ashen spindle
yeah your cpu aint going to change anything regardless of what you do there lol
vagrant marsh
i know. this is just a step to improve gaming performance. while upgrading the cpu, im also gonna upgrade the gpu, ofcourse.
ashen spindle
no like, almost everygame you're going to not see any change from a different cpu
vagrant marsh
what you mean, quin?
vagrant marsh
does quin even read
vagrant marsh
i know. this is just a step to improve gaming performance. while upgrading the c...
this
kek
doesnt quote the whole thing
ashen spindle
this is just a step to improve gaming performance.
but its most likely changes nothing
ashen spindle
yes but, that still doesnt explain why you upgrade your cpu
even on a new gpu it wont matter
vagrant marsh
yes. it does
ashen spindle
not at your resolution
ashen spindle
ye, even at lower than that it barely matters
1440p is fully gpu bottlenecked in most games already
fickle ore
at lowest setting? nah
ashen spindle
if you play lowest settings why plat at 1440p in first place
vagrant marsh
maybe i will concess for a 5800, but either that or a 5900, whichever i get my hands on first. but i will get a stronger cpu regardless
fickle ore
@ashen spindle Because of pixel density, there are many ways to increase fidelity
ashen spindle
sure but it's an example, as he has a 31:9 anyway so nobody is using that with low settings unless necessary lol
or 32:9? idk
pale sigil
You are currently in queue position 131. Please keep checking your emails, we will send an update after each shipment with your new position.
crisp granite
well, they averagely get 3 per day
you are like shakespeare, inventing new words all the time. I like your style
averagely
vagrant marsh
im very poetic
also
get rekt doge
FREAKING CANADIAN DOESNT KNOW ENGLISH YOU FRENCH POTATOE
vagrant marsh
do you also say your "thirty" as tiddy?
crisp granite
oh yea. glorified it now, u cant delete it
I don't give two shits
crisp granite
congrats
pale sigil
crisp granite
oooooooo
crisp granite
literally the same card I got
but 80 instead of 70
it's really good
cool, quiet
pale sigil
haha i was rushing
crisp granite
noice
less than 700 Pounds for a 3080
now comes the worst part
the waiting game
crisp granite
what else did you buy?
crisp granite
ah
wheat plume
If there is clicking on a hard drive when being used
Is that bad?
Just occasional clicks
crisp granite
it's a sign of things to come
misty pier
better get that stuff off your drive
wheat plume
I just installed the drive .-.
crimson wigeon
Is it a loud click? Then yes probably if it's just some relatively silent clicks then it's normal
wheat plume
loud as I can hear it but im right up against the PC cause its beside me on the desk
crisp granite
hm
wheat plume
its quiter than the keyboard
crimson wigeon
But the drive itself knows best, better check SMART
wheat plume
how I check smart on windows?
crimson wigeon
I use CrystalDiskInfo even though it's digusting weebery
wheat plume
But the drive itself knows best, better check SMART
crimson wigeon
See it's good
wheat plume
ignore clicking then?
wdym weebery? XD I see no anime
Could the clicking be because I have it mounted vertically? its against the motherboard backplate in the case where I mounted my second SSD
crisp granite
the way you mounted it may amplify the clicking
pale sigil
crisp granite
clean AF build
wheat plume
oo neat :D
restive gate
Buying any kind of processor is such a pain rn
Gpus included
Tried to buy a part list today
And I got everything but the CPU and GPU
And I didn't even have specific ones in mind
edgy hull
any new release is a lovely time to deal with. Zen3, Ampere, RDNA2, or consoles. Fun times ig
Cant remember much now, did Turing have much in terms of supply issues on launch? I skipped it entirely pretty much cuz price made it so unappetizing.
misty pier
it wasn't too bad as compared to this
although I think the supers didn't have too much of an issue with stock availability when they came out
reef patrol
Harddrives making small clicking noises is normal for some models.
CLONK noises are a different matter. Loud, often repeated every few seconds sounds that make you go "uh oh"
ashen spindle
as expected, if you find something only on wccftech you can usually assume it's bullshit :p
thick elk
Basically boils down to:
Gpu has no stock,
Crypto mining exists,
Must be miners
edgy hull
Always someone to blame. Whether right or wrong, they are blamed
reef patrol
Interesting. Linus covered as fact.
ashen spindle
yeah I don't really trust them as a source if it's not something like a direct thing from a tour or so :p
edgy hull
A tech tip for the day: LMG either gets things wrong or leaves enough details out to the point of most of whatever they do isnt really that viable for good info. I wouldnt watch them for info but rather as a funny person to watch to pass by the time
reef patrol
Never said that. 😄
timid chasm
Does Linus has a Steve on the team? If not that's likely the issue
pale sigil
Yes
ashen spindle
https://www.patreon.com/posts/44371506 some neat details about the SAM thing from amd 
@fickle ore might be for you if you didnt already know it
vagrant marsh
Biiig wall of text
reef patrol
Linus doubling down on the crypto.
So... there's definitely more than "Hurr durr it's not crypto. You read bad source"
ashen spindle
uhh
vagrant marsh
Are we talking about LTT or another linus?
reef patrol
I never talk about Linux Linus xD
cursive summit
@vagrant marsh Linus Tofu Tips?
ashen spindle
how is he doubling down and why does that matter, not like he has any special sources
reef patrol
He does though.
vagrant marsh
Would love me sum good tofu
reef patrol
And their writers tend to actually fact check with sources.
As for doubling down. Not only did he talk about it at length on stream, but also did a video with it now 😄
vagrant marsh
ashen spindle
but... the links they use there are the same as from the live stream and it's just the same xD nothing new
reef patrol
I still haven't heard anyone fact check the proper sources that articles link to. So... where's the evidence that those are bunk exactly? 😄
ashen spindle
I uh, linked it and tagged you with it xD
reef patrol
You linked a tweet calling it all bunk... with link to the articles.
ashen spindle
yeah and a snippet of the math of the barrons article bc most people wont sign up to read that, where you can see how the math in it is bollocks, how they basically assume a random market share and attribute that to come from 3080s...
reef patrol
Well no. That math is assuming every card sold is actively mining etherium.
And given how we don't know what nature the chips are sold as... they could still be in a factory somewhere being turned into functional hardware et cetera.
ashen spindle
the original article basically says "we think 40% increase of growth in hashing we see in the ethereum network comes from 3080's"
reef patrol
At any rate - I'm sure we'll hear more folks chime in soon enough, now that it's considered mainstream real.
ashen spindle
like they are not showing any numbers they just say "we know the rate of 3080s so we assume some random numbers and says miners got that many"
like, you are asking proof to debunk this, how about we start to ask for proof where they come to their numbers?
bc it looks like it's just one guys estimate with unknown reasons for those estimates
reef patrol
Because it should be easy to prove by getting ahold of those transactions and reaching out to nVidia sources.
Et cetera.
ashen spindle
yeah, if it is true, there are simple ways to prove it
I'm saying, people just believe it with no credible source, probably because they want it to be true lol
reef patrol
I actually want it to be wrong, because that means nVidia are just plain incompetent, not evil 😄
urban lynx
i mean, usually science works that a thesis is "true" until proven otherwise.
however one should keep in mind to actually provide support for your thesis, otherwise it's just as easily busted as me claiming i'm taller than 5'6 without my heels.
and just claiming something, like fraud or other bad behaviour should have solid evidence, that basically cant be disproven
ashen spindle
tbf I would call it incompetent either way, bc should it be true, that was a major fuck up on multiple levels, pr, financial etc.
reef patrol
Fair 😄
ashen spindle
it's just sad that we have that many places now claim it's true, all based on a single article behind a paywall without any of them looking into it themselves
even if it's true that is bad journalism
one of the sites can't even link it properly and links to a covid article on barrons instead lmao
restive gate
I'd like to point out that while LMG did cover this, they said that it was an insignificant portion (roughly 6%) of the stock anyway
so whether it's true or not, it's a pretty irrelevant data point
ashen spindle
if they said it's minor this definitely dooesn't help
restive gate
it's a joke title
if you watch like 1-2 minutes in they say that it doesnt't really matter
ashen spindle
yeah but whats the youtube audience, does everyone listen exactly ot what was said? lol I wish
restive gate
ltt thumbnails/titles aren't great, they get complaints all the time, and they've covered how even they don't like them, but have to do it for it to be a sustainable business
restive gate
yeah but whats the youtube audience, does everyone listen exactly ot what was sa...
that's fair
ashen spindle
also doesn't help if the original source is paywalled, every site covering doesn't double check it like a good reporter would do, now you see this, and 3 links in the description? yeah at that points the damage is done lmao
restive gate
I guess so
ashen spindle
not a lot better here
restive gate
but that's kinda on the consumer at that point, if you're going to jump at a title, and not worry about the context, or even how big of a percentage it is? then news is harming you more than it's helping
I'd say that's true for literally every news site I've seen
ashen spindle
as an individual yes, that's on you, as the youtuber making the content? you know exactly what people take away from this and what they don't look at
restive gate
maybe, but 'nvidia might have sold some fledgling amount of gpus to miners (allegedly)' isn't exactly the type of title that's going to put food on the table
ashen spindle
no but "Miners not at fault after all" or so works
or even "Is this the reason for the rtx shortage"
multiple ways to clickbait without it having false statements
restive gate
I'm saying that there's not much they can do to get around this kind of title, it doesn't matter how 'reliable' the news site is, they have to be as engaging as possible. and I guess so, though they did use question marks, it could probably be stated as more of a question
not saying it's perfect, I'm just saying a lot of the blame lies on the person who looks at the video and uses that bare min of information as fact
ashen spindle
like what is a thumbnail and title like that going to do? main stream outlets didn't talk about it, only a handful of places picked up the story a couple days later, so the first impressions for 95% of people who see this, is "oh, miners took the stock" and then it only gets corrected if you fully watch it
restive gate
but it could definitely be improved I agree
right, but at least on techlinked, they usually talk about the story in the thumbnail first, so you're really only watching like a 1/5th or 1/6th into the video before you here the more extended (and probably more sane) version
ashen spindle
idk, I dont watch techlinked I just saw the title in my youtube list bc I watch tech stuff
ashen spindle
nah you're good
I agree from a viewpoint of a single consumer
but they just are very well aware how stupid people are and what clickbait titles cause and not do
restive gate
that's fair
ashen spindle
my 6800 has been shipped
reef patrol
👀
ashen spindle
what mansen, I mentioned I got one yesterday already lol
restive gate
the fact that you guys even found real listings is impressive ngl
ashen spindle
well I found one yesterday, I assume someone cancelled, send back, or they had a few more than planned etc.
pale sigil
kinda glad the one i ended up with was gigabyte
ashen spindle
*the one you might eventually receive potentially
ashen spindle
buddy in NY said they get like 3-6 30xx a week in their microcenters, so you better pray you're at spot <20
reef patrol
Order a second one, Callum xD
ashen spindle
@old marlin @fair gull
vagrant marsh
yes. fake dutch
vagrant marsh
FAKE
dutch
the real master language is dutch. dont you forget that, two times world war losers
old marlin
ah yes
didn't even participate in the first one
and then was used as a stop gap in the second
such a great argument to use
meanwhile germany was basically fighting the whole of europe twice
within 30 years
basically on their own
and it didn't even look to bad for big parts of the war
"look bad" as in chances on winning mind you
ww2 germany was a pos
vagrant marsh
sure
that is why superior germany equaled out in number of deaths and wounded against a peasent country like the netherlands
reef tundra
4 armoured trains destroyed with facts and logic
old marlin
cause british and french support was no part in that lol
reef tundra
most of the trains got derailed by explosive bridges and railtracks
old marlin
fighting in a defensive position obvioiusly gives an advantage
and you completely cut off who even won that conflict
vagrant marsh
PEASENTS USING WW1 GEAR
old marlin
reef tundra
The Dutch were also severely undertrained with lack of officers
old marlin
germany was right behind a huge economics crisis and had reparations to pay in the last 20 years
also britan and franceplayed a huge role
vagrant marsh
and the netherlands not? as one of the few countries, we kept using the gold standard, which made us even more poor
reef tundra
The French and British support was barely there. Most are fighting in France at that time
vagrant marsh
france and belgique
old marlin
money was so worthless they let their kids play with bundles of cash
vagrant marsh
old marlin
and used it as tapestry
reef tundra
Germans failed to capture the royalty in their airraid on the haque.
vagrant marsh
reef tundra
2k vs 30k is an insane numeric disadvantage
old marlin
it is
vagrant marsh
and the germans couldnt utilize it
reef tundra
You can easily just overrun the enemy
reef tundra
15 mortars to supress those fieldguns
vagrant marsh
mortars, close air support, tank support
FREAKING ARMORED TRAINS
couldnt handle ww1 cannons
old marlin
"couldn't handle"
but still won in the end
while also fighting on the east front
and the west front
vagrant marsh
didn...
old marlin
also with ww1 weapons btw
vagrant marsh
didnt fought hte east front at hte time
cursive summit
HTE
cursive summit
Hm what?
vagrant marsh
@pale sigil where is the laughing emote!!
cursive summit
I don't know what HTE laughing emote is
vagrant marsh
pale sigil
vagrant marsh
this one
cursive summit
Also why are we discussing hte war?
vagrant marsh
ynot why you do that!
old marlin
because he brought up germany loosing 2 world wars
pale sigil
old marlin
while his country participated in one
old marlin
and was a stepping stone in the second
cursive summit
Hte netherlands wasn't even that important
reef tundra
You have not been deemed worty for the
cursive summit
All they had were a few decent ships
vagrant marsh
reef tundra
The navy was pretty op for the time
vagrant marsh
im seriously blind...
it is there
all that germany had was luck. all else they had against them
old marlin
expanding navy is one of the main reasons why ww1 and ww2 happened 
crisp granite
all that germany had was luck. all else they had against them
they had Panzerchokolate
old marlin
germany had excellent tactics
reef tundra
Not really, nationalism was why
crisp granite
or something like that
crisp granite
and their youth as well
reef tundra
The panzer 4 is really good
vagrant marsh
dude. you were LUCKY the french were so dumb they never thought you guys could invade through a freaking forest.
reef tundra
Panzer 4 has a great suspention, good armour to weight, big cannon, durable and had a low breakdown rate. They costed a fortune tho
old marlin
yup
old marlin
in the end all of it didn't matter since hitlers opinion on good weapons was about as shit as on most other things
cursive summit
None of the Panzer 4s had big cannons
It was a good universal medium tank
But it wasn't exceptional by any means
vagrant marsh
75mm was rather large for early ww2
reef tundra
It is a medium tank.. and it had a large cannon for that class
cursive summit
And it wasn't good
cursive summit
Well it was infantry support
And it did well in its role
But it was horrendous against other tanks
cursive summit
Up until the later refit when it got the long 7.5
reef tundra
Which was the reaction against the russian main batlle tank
cursive summit
Main battle tank in 1943?
vagrant marsh
no, the 50mm was the anti tank gun. the 75mm had AP rounds, but they were unreliable because of the low velocity it was fired at
old marlin
the 50mm was the anti tank gun that fell short against the T34
cursive summit
5cm was obsolete by the time Germans invaded France
reef tundra
Just become an naval cannon
old marlin
just be train cannon
reef tundra
The gustav gun
old marlin
they tried hitting some factory from a few kilometers
but didn't hit
the craters apparently looked like someone dug a well
reef tundra
Wasnt it made to hit britain over the channel?
old marlin
nah
reef tundra
with its 38km range
old marlin
that was mainly against france afaik
projects like that are why germany could not win
reef tundra
Or the maus
old marlin
ye
cursive summit
Nah nothing would have saved germany anyways
reef tundra
Overweight overdressed overarmoured diesel gussler
cursive summit
Too little resources
old marlin
a lot of wasted resources
cursive summit
Plus even if they had decent tanks, their cannons were aging
old marlin
and then japan waged war with the USA
which didn't give a fuck until pearl harbour really
old marlin
yea
cursive summit
But it was getting obsolete really fast
old marlin
it wasn't an anti air gun though 
cursive summit
Dunno I never particularly liked the idea of using flak guns
There's nothing a good old quad 25mm can't do
old marlin
flak in principle was necessary
reef tundra
Pretty effective against weakly armoured airplanes
cursive summit
Yeah, which the soviets didn't produce
reef tundra
The soviets were mostly busy producing vodka
cursive summit
12.8cm was far too heavy to mount on a typical tank
10.5cm wasn't that well developed afaik
old marlin
The soviets were mostly busy producing vodka
cursive summit
They ran out of cannons
old marlin
honestly discredits how much they did in ww2
it rarely gets said how big of a role they really played cause after the war they became the "antagonist"
reef tundra
Cant make cannons without vodka
cursive summit
Honestly though, if Germans came up with the Ewicklung programme like 4 years earlier, I think they would have done better
cursive summit
Oh yeah it's called entwicklung
old marlin
yea
reef tundra
R&D platform
old marlin
that is development
cursive summit
Dunno I don't do german
old marlin
idk what you mean exactly
old marlin
the word just meand development
reef tundra
E12 series?
old marlin
ah
cursive summit
Dunno what that is
cursive summit
Yeah the entwicklungs
cursive summit
Too late but boy they might have been really good
old marlin
they made great use of their little resources
arguably made 2 of the best infantry guns of the war
restive gate
standardized is (almost) always good
restive gate
so I can see why it would help
vagrant marsh
mg-42?
reef tundra
Their druganov
old marlin
and the mp40
reef tundra
or whatever its called
cursive summit
StG-44 anyone?
reef tundra
nice meme gun
old marlin
and not reliable enough
restive gate
imagine your tank dies so you just run over and grab a new cannon to plop on
old marlin
but better than anything the russians had lol
especially since the russians just failed at copying the finns
reef tundra
Where the bullet ejection goes up
into the iron sights
and your collar
nice and hot shells into the jacket
old marlin
and then some development guy decides it is a great idea to mount random heavy accesories on it
like a gigantic night vision scope
or angled barrels
at least you could use most magazines
unlike the ppsch
they should have built on the FG42 tbh
cursive summit
Vampir was a good invention
old marlin
well
cursive summit
The curved barrel StG-44 was just memes
old marlin
important idea
cursive summit
But I heard it worked
cursive summit
Tfw nightvision scopes are still produced to this day
old marlin
c not usable for long enough
considering how stupidly cheap the stg was in comparison to some other early firearms
and that it came earlier
it was quite astonishing
cursive summit
Meh americans just had some engineering problems
old marlin
lol
cursive summit
Don't think they were that scientifically advanced
cursive summit
Only after paperclip they could really resurface as the dominant superpower
old marlin
imagine being a GI and then you get your thompson replaced by a grease gun like 3 days before you go over to europe
cursive summit
I'd rather take the garand
cursive summit
Didn't the Canadians invent the BAR?
old marlin
after WW1 it became clear that something like a thompson or MP40 were necessary
cursive summit
BAR was great
old marlin
Lol
cursive summit
But 42 is still used
cursive summit
Well any LMG or HMG is shitty weight wise
But that's why you only have a single squad member with one
Enough to do the job
Plus MG3, Ameli, so many guns were derived from the 42
It's quite a good design
Russians went a little bit on the higher caliber side
DshK, NSV and now KORD
Although they still use the PKT I think in tanks
Western powers don't really have anything for a static or hand held large caliber gun other than the fiddy
vagrant marsh
the m249 saw, an american version of the mg42
old marlin
Eh
Not quite fair to say that
About as much as it is to say the ak is a russian stg
vagrant marsh
alright. bought a 5800x for 450 bucks. now lets hope that 1 in stock is true 😛
restive gate
good luck
cursive summit
vast moss
I saw one (that or a 6800) go on eBay for $70,300
ashen spindle
yeah on ebay it's quite popular atm to raise the bids to insane ammounts then not pay to have the scalpers relist them and not be able to profit
cursive summit
Yeah ebay and a shop are a bit different things
While having one thing in common: both are scalping
ashen spindle
a price for a not on stock item is also different for once it's in stock, quite normal for a lot of places to just have some much higher number and then adjust it down to once they actually get it
cursive summit
You have mentioned that before
But what are the chances this is their "out of stock" price?
ashen spindle
fairly high, because there are limits to how much higher you can go before it's classified as usury and not legal
ashen spindle
ehh you can hardly say that about r5k
not even a month since launch and a lot of people could get stuff and resupply is coming it at decent pace
even overpriced turing had launch stock issues in the start
feral jolt
Ebay also takes a cut of the sale price which you then have to appeal to get back
vagrant marsh
Theoretical question here. I got 2 ssd's in my pc. One has windows installed on it. I copy that whole drive onto the second drive. Then replace the first drive with the second drive. Will they both behave identical?
ashen spindle
potentially. I don't trust any cloning process tbh but I bet @reef patrol had to do it a couple times and would know how well it works nowadays
vagrant marsh
So simple copy paste wouldnt work?
reef patrol
Mnope. Hidden partition.
Gotta use a USB bootable stick and boot into a proper cloning tool 😄
I use Acronis but it isn't free.
stuck vale
How can i open the wooting two keyboard? The last months i'm often at home, my family is irritating at the noise that the keyboard produce, so i will with a sound barrier plate, try to lower the noise, and get my family more happy..
ashen spindle
cursive summit
nice load times
wheat plume
they are a bit slow alright :/
cursive summit
Takes longer to load a library than to load Windows up
ashen spindle
man I wish 63ms would be anywhere close to acceptable for my tests lmao
wheat plume
ahh :D the pipeline ran the tests for us! got that working just last night
Why TF is my SSD so warm rn??
cursive summit
That's.. normal?
wheat plume
the HDD thats 28C is mounted in the same spot in the case
ashen spindle
bc I keep telling you looking at numbers is pointless if you don't understand them
current runs through it so it produces a decent ammount of heat
wheat plume
yeh but its activty is 0% currently
cursive summit
That number is also nothing to worry about
wheat plume
i know its not, but idk why its this warm
ashen spindle
current runs through it so it produces a decent ammount of heat
cursive summit
Now I begin to understand Quin's position of getting mad at people who don't listen
ashen spindle
it's not really mad but rather frustrated
cursive summit
@wheat plume You have the Intel 660p?
wheat plume
no
cursive summit
Which one?
cursive summit
Integral from my knowledge is from.. Integral
cursive summit
Prolly Integral
cursive summit
Very normal
Do you have decent cooling in your case?
Enough fans to push and pull?
cursive summit
Meh then it's nothing to worry about
wheat plume
the GPU fans are under the GPU cause it mounts upside down with the backplate facing up
ashen spindle
so the gpu is a gpu is what you are saying
cursive summit
Did she think the GPU fans face upwards?
The only time that WASN'T the case to my knowledge is the new Ampere stock coolers
Or some really old tech
wheat plume
in my friends case it does, the motherboard is mounted differently
ashen spindle
so then the motherboard is mounted differently, not the gpu
wheat plume
yeh but that affects the GPU cause the PCIE slot can only be plugged in one way
pale sigil
Hmm
wheat plume
the GPU has to have the fans face up cause of it
pale sigil
My 3080 might not fit in my system
wheat plume
oh no
pale sigil
Because of my DH15
ashen spindle
doubt it
wheat plume
your what?
cursive summit
DH15
ashen spindle
bag of air should easily fit in there
pale sigil
Ffs XD
wheat plume
looks up wtf a DH15 is
wheat plume
ooohhhhhh
cursive summit
That's massive
wheat plume
You guys have a backplate?
ashen spindle
nope
wheat plume
I thought that hinted you removed the backplate so you had room for the cooler
pale sigil
Nah
wheat plume
I need food, my head feels dizzy
pale sigil
I need to empty my entire room 😭
wheat plume
why?
pale sigil
My ceiling is being redone
wheat plume
oh gosh :O
pale sigil
So I have to move my stuff out into another room and sleep downstairs for 2 nights
wheat plume
or 3 to let the dust settle and clean it out on day 3
pale sigil
Just hope they don’t ruin the walls
I’m just dreading unscrewing my monitors and moving them
I can’t do it alone
I’m still pretty weak after my op
Same with my desktop, I need help for it
wheat plume
aw ;-;
ashen spindle
@fickle ore the undervolt with PBO2 seems to work quite well for BZ, watching his livestream in the background atm 
pale sigil
@vagrant marsh nah I have a discord bot for that
crisp granite
smert
pale sigil
Desperate times
crisp granite
I get that
crisp granite
nice
crisp granite
mhm
in canada, ryzen 5000 is just too expensive to be worth it compared to ryzen 3000
pale sigil
6800 XT literally didn’t exist here
crisp granite
same
crisp granite
yeah
compared to here
where we get a few RTX 3000 cards a day
I think you're doing great
pale sigil
I’d say more 2 weeks
I’m mainly just basing it on stock updates from different stores
ashen spindle
microcenter in new york gets like 3-6 30xx cards a week apparently
ashen spindle
yes, I am pointing out event he biggest store in the US in one of the most populated places gets that little
hard thicket
well back at the zen2 launch i waited 5 months for my 3900x to arrive sooooo
GL lol
considering that the demand is higher now
ashen spindle
ya, the launches are definitely worse, but im surprised how many people forgot it's normal for any cpu/gpu launch to have some complications
hard thicket
agreed
since the past 4 years or so
the PC gaming community grew quite large over the years
seeing numbers like 1M++ active player base is insane
back in my UT99 days i though it was crazy to see 500 players online 
pale sigil
Thicc boi
I really want to reuse this but I don't want the awful color in my new system
restive gate
Isn't it amazing that cooling hasn't hardly advanced at all in the last decade
pale sigil
Idk, kinda has
hard thicket
it did
restive gate
You could buy chromax fans
pale sigil
Noctua are the gods of cooling
restive gate
That's just an old ass cooler design, but persists to be an amazing one
pale sigil
I'd have to rebuy the entire black cooler
hard thicket
the newest innovation is probably the thermosiphon
restive gate
True
hard thicket
not seen anything new except to it
pale sigil
If only noctua made a aio
restive gate
But that only really makes sense on threadripper/Intel hedt
pale sigil
Their fans are so good
restive gate
Same
hard thicket
only time will tell
hard thicket
huh
ashen spindle
sure noctua fans are great, doesn't really help in designing a aio pump or anything like that
hard thicket
there are some good AIO's tho
restive gate
and implement into smaller designs
But it's mostly just the fact that cooling is already good enough on consumer platforms
hard thicket
Fair point
we don't really need more
except intel releases a 400tdp cpu
10nm+++
restive gate
Yeah that's fair
pale sigil
So
restive gate
But on AMD it's fine
pale sigil
What silent AIOs are there
hard thicket
LT240
restive gate
Ek makes good shiz
hard thicket
best value AIO
pale sigil
Ye the fan is what bothers me
restive gate
You can replace those with your own
pale sigil
Bloody jet engines
hard thicket
every AIO beside the Arctic ones come with shitty fans
restive gate
A lot of them don't even come with fans
urban lynx
so... about water cooling...
... i'm completely unkowing about that.
is it more silent than, for example some jet taking off in my computer whenever i start a game?
pale sigil
I thought you had to have specific fans
No it's far from silent
Idle it's silent tho
reef patrol
Grab a couple of Noctua AP fans? 😄
urban lynx
so... how do i get my gpu to be silent then? 
hard thicket
Noctua for life
restive gate
so... about water cooling...
... i'm completely unkowing about that.
is it more ...
Only because it's more effective at quickly dissapating heat
restive gate
If you use silent fans (silent wings/noctua/Corsair) then it's a lot closer than you'd get with just air-cooling
pale sigil
I'm confused
urban lynx
what is deshrouding?
hard thicket
you basically remove the plastic shroud and the fans of the gpu so only the heatsink is left over
then you slap some 120mm or 92mm fans on it
quite common in the SFF pc section
restive gate
DIY perks put a noct DH-15 on a GPU once
hard thicket
that also works suprisingly good
restive gate
He details how to do it if you're similarly insane
ashen spindle
I thought the fans you need were very specific for AIOs
why would the be specific, they move air lmao
hard thicket
did all kind of mods to my gpus so far
pale sigil
Thst I couldn't just wack new fans on it
hard thicket
like being desperate enought to mount a CPU block on a gpu with zipties.
worked somewhat
crisp granite
mhm
hard thicket
just dont touch it
restive gate
They have to be the right size (typically 120/140mm) but they're just case fans
crisp granite
as long as the mounting pressure is good
hard thicket
yep
urban lynx
is there no supplier that puts good fans on there, or at least more... silent?
urban lynx
without instantly turning it into a jet engine just because i start a game?
hard thicket
expensive ? noiseblocker, noctua
restive gate
Corsair does a decent job
ashen spindle
is there no supplier that puts good fans on there, or at least more... silent?
on a gpu or a cpu cooler?
urban lynx
on a gpu
urban lynx
good luck lol
thanks.
i figured.
restive gate
EVGA has been good in my experience
ashen spindle
uhh, depends, there are good options on most models, but depends on every generation
hard thicket
there are third party heatsinks you can mount
restive gate
That sounds sketchy
hard thicket
like univeral coolers
nah it's quite simple actually
not different from mounting a gpu block
pale sigil
My life has been a lie 
restive gate
Tbf idk if I'd trust myself to do either
hard thicket
thats another thing
restive gate
My life has been a lie <:pepecry:643973235188170753>
Unfortunate
ashen spindle
for ampere, nvidia reference ones seem to be actually quiet, for AMD the NItro+ seems to have some of the best noise options https://www.igorslab.de/sapphire-radeon-rx-6800-xt-nitro-im-test-es-geht-auch-leise-schnell-und-ganz-schoen-durstig/8/
hard thicket
can confirm the reference cards perform surprisingly good under max load on my 3090 im below 75c
pale sigil
Fuck sake I have done fuck all and I still have to empty my romm
Took me my cooler box to start looking at cooling again
hard thicket
the struggle
misty pier
my friend installed one of those on his 5700 XT, pretty good temps he tells me
pale sigil
I don't wanna void GPU warranties personally
hard thicket
some manufacturers even allow it
EVGA as example
you can mount gpu block on it without voiding
pale sigil
I'm sad I couldn't get an evga 3080
hard thicket
riip
misty pier
yeah if I'm ever sticking with nvidia cards, then evga all the way
hard thicket
unfourtunately they have the worst supply atm
if there is one available it's super expensive
pale sigil
Evga has had a bunch of wine issues this time arojmd
ashen spindle
it's less about evga not minding it, evga are just one of the few vendors that are aware that "warranty void if removed" stickers are illegal in many places in the US so no point in enforcing it elsewhere
urban lynx
can confirm the reference cards perform surprisingly good under max load on my 3...
you happy with that 3090 purchase?
ashen spindle
Evga has had a bunch of wine issues this time arojmd
thats on the gpu, not the cooler, evga didnt modify the pcb
hard thicket
i need to watercool it asap, the backplate can't be touched even in idle
you burn your fingers
hard thicket
riip
urban lynx
oh wow
pale sigil
There was a lot of burn marks on the backplate and some chips
urban lynx
that seems bad
misty pier
how hot does your card get anyways?
pale sigil
Let's see if I can find it
hard thicket
last checked on furmark, with a slight overclock 79c fans at 80%
pale sigil
Mine maxes out 80c
hard thicket
370w peak
misty pier
man, something must be wrong with my gpu since it chills at 80C
hard thicket
that sounds super bad
misty pier
then again I have an itx box
misty pier
i mean I got two 140mm fans pushing air into the case
hard thicket
what case do you have btw ?
misty pier
mines have been facing down since the day I built it
pale sigil
I should have got into watching loius Rossmen before doing this :lull:
https://imgur.com/a/BbhSEI1
restive gate
The enthoo pro has good airflow
pale sigil
misty pier
it has a psu filter on the bottom
hard thicket
what the fuck is that
misty pier
that is crusty
pale sigil
Title says all
misty pier
wash it
restive gate
Please stop
crisp granite
dishwasher cycles with the keeb inside is a bad idea
pale sigil
That pic is old
hard thicket
cute little gpu
misty pier
haven't seen that case in a while
hard thicket
NZXT H500 ?
misty pier
think its the s340?
pale sigil
GPU was salvaged from a pre build
reef patrol
Good ole' S340
pale sigil
He originally got a pre build but then I gave him my 6600k and mobo
So he chose a new case, cooler etc
misty pier
not bad
restive gate
Remember that one time LTT put a bunch of kbs in a dishwasher and it worked? That was f***in weird
restive gate
Ooh pretty
pale sigil
6600k I think
restive gate
I like the printed on traces
misty pier
restive gate
Gaming
urban lynx
that case looks eerily familiar to me... 
restive gate
Isn't it just an nzxt?
misty pier
nzxt s340