Intel could potentially be contending Nvidia for next gen Switch
#๐โtech
cursive summit
ashen spindle
you are implying a lot there with intel "contending" with nvidia, why do you think nvidia is not in the consoles
its bc it's not a relevant market for them
not because they cant do a good offer
so I heavily doubt they would care about switch using intel or amd
vagrant marsh
the reason why nvidia and intel isnt chosen is because AMD is the only one to offer both cpu and graphics
cursive summit
So Nvidia Tegra was just an experiment?
zenith sonnet
It came to be, because there wasn't really any other option
ashen spindle
the reason why nvidia and intel isnt chosen is because AMD is the only one to offer both cpu and graphics
so the switch is not running a cpu is what you think or what
@vagrant marsh ?
cursive summit
At this point Intel can actually offer competitive integrated graphics
Before it was.. kinda bad
zenith sonnet
Yeah, but no CPUs
cursive summit
You discriminating against Atom's? 
zenith sonnet
LOL
warped dove
For the first time in years I actually want console to be successful. Gone are the days where console are a cancer on gaming, ports are highly feasibly and common, and AAA is more expensive than ever so rarely can afford to be an exclusive. Even still there're too many games to even test out in a lifetime. But all this is excellent argument to just buy a console not an expensive GPU... and if consumers are wise to than then GPU manufacturers will be forced offer reasonable prices. Unfortunately you can always rely on consoooomer culture and ignorance.
zenith sonnet
They don't have the fab capacity to make anything like that on 10nm++
And even then, it might not be competitive in perf/watt
warped dove
I wonder if all the AMD factories are being occupied making xbox and ps5 chiplets and without that we'd actually have 3800 stock lol
cursive summit
Ehh Tiger Lake is quite good though
Dunno how it'd behave in a Switch-type package
ashen spindle
TSMC* not AMD factories, and yes, that is why the stock is so low for zen3 and rdna2
because they all use the same tools and wafers
warped dove
Ah yes AMD doesn't own foundries I forgot
cursive summit
Dunno how AMD went so bad with having their own foundry
Intel has one, Apple to my knowledge has one
Nvidia I think doesn't?
cursive summit
Ah wait Apple sources from Samsung
ashen spindle
.... I genuinely wonder why I even bother typing here sometimes
vagrant marsh
well, with an attitude that great, i think you more stay for the warm and fuzzy feeling you get
cursive summit
Dunno what's so infuriating about reiterating on the claim after your claim
warped dove
high class tech knowledge hub of intellectual interlocular-ing duh who can resist
ashen spindle
it's infuriating because I type stuff and then shortly after people just talk about stuff that shows they didn't read or bother remembering it
warped dove
You can't predict who's joining the conversation when
ashen spindle
no but I can assume if I talk with people about something yesterday, that then the same people today would remember it at least
cursive summit
I can't even remember what I really ate a few days ago
pale sigil
Yanno
cursive summit
Meh the whole point of what makes this interesting is just being wrong, no?
pale sigil
i get proper tired when i type stuff and later on people talk about it and dont read what i said.
ashen spindle
"apple moves to TSMC 5nm, but it's the same as 7nm mostly so it doesn't change stuff" "apple owns a foundry right? oh now wait, they use samsung" that stuff annoys me
urban lynx
i feel you quinty
vagrant marsh
dont be like that truzz
warped dove
OK I won't
cursive summit
Meh I vaguely remember Apple owning a foundry of something
But yeah now I remember that they occupy most of Samsung and moved onto TSMC
urban lynx
whenever i join, i do look at some messages before to get a grasp of the conversation in general, and try not to jump on a message with no context the second i see it "through coincidence" 
but then again, i'm autistic.
i do weird
cursive summit
@urban lynx Who isn't autistic?
warped dove
That knowledge only seems relevant to very specific arguements like Apple R&D, profit, I dunno
cursive summit
Me and @vagrant marsh are
ashen spindle
But yeah now I remember that they occupy most of Samsung and moved onto TSMC
opposite way but close enough
urban lynx
then you are aware that it's a spectrum, and no autistic person is the same.
there is no generalization possible
warped dove
People who be crippled if they remembered everything
urban lynx
on another note:
REJOICE
stupid neighbors down the road FINALLY removed that old, leaky, POS, car that they had parked infront of my home.
i hope permanently
warped dove
Seems relevant
Quint just give the boy some good tech sources and he'll be as smurt as you one day and you'll have a sweet conversational partner
ashen spindle
I mean he already links the same stuff I look at so I doubt that helps
cursive summit
I just have trouble remembering things that well @warped dove
warped dove
Huh? What are you referring to?
Anyway anyone watch the latest Corteks video on 6800(XT)? at the end he tells people not to buy it / zen3 and instead just get a 4k OLD from lg or sony and upscale from 1080p (54 / new 48 inch)
ashen spindle
that sounds like some very stupid recommendation
cursive summit
Upscale it with what?
warped dove
the TVs have image processing computers in them
They're made to upscale all kinds of content to the 4k native
cursive summit
They do but I sincerely doubt a 4K screen upscaling 1080p shit would look that good
warped dove
Not really for us peasant who can't test it first hand to proclaim though, is it?
reef patrol
warped dove
Anyway those TVs at $2000
ashen spindle
sure but you can only upscale so much, you can't add missing details that are lost at lower resolution, you also can't easily put a 54 inch screen on a desk, and I still wouldn't get the high framerates I want
warped dove
but I have to admit gaming monitors are fucking stagnent, each lcd technology is repugnent flaws an OLED seems to be the fix but at a price and lifespam that I can't afford and Even on a humongous very-old (and heavy) IKEA desk i couldn't fit a 48inch if using keyboard and mouse
really needed a "but" not and "and" in there but you can handle it
OLED, another tech with very limited production capacity
ashen spindle
also aside from fitting it on the desk, I dont want to sit as far away as I would need to with such a big screen
warped dove
what's going on with "JOLED" these days
cursive summit
Linus started it
Or maybe not but he added onto it recently
With his "buy a gaming TV and not a monitor" thing
Tbh gaming TVs are actually quite good
warped dove
What I'd give for true dark blacks even around the corners, no dark smearing/ghosts, decent framerates (no I don't need over 100hz (oled is 120)) and good colours
(hint, what i'd give is not $2000)
linus literally sits with his face on a 60inch screen liek an old man it's kinda funny and sad. "I just wanna play anno in 4k ok?"
Anyways the pixel desnity of 48 inch 4K is the same as 24inch 1080p just think about that
cursive summit
@warped dove Samsung QLED TVs?
warped dove
So position it at the same distance to avoid seeing jaggies... then get neck pains
cursive summit
Also gaming grade with 120Hz
warped dove
Self lit pixels?
cursive summit
TCL or whatever the company is called, also is well received I heard
warped dove
or disgusting backlight glow?
cursive summit
@warped dove I forgot what they call it, but Samsungs have full grid array lighting or something
It's apparently really good
warped dove
240 local dimming zones would be nice but self lit is better
Let's see...
Doesn't look great... Either paying $2000 for a couple hundred backlights or paying less and getting only 50 lights on the reasonably sized models
cursive summit
What model you checked?
warped dove
Just a cursory browse
cursive summit
Samsung Q80T/Q90T is what's regarded best right now
For gaming exclusively that is
warped dove
Hoping for 1440p 32inch good OLED eventually but it'll only happen if people buy them for home theatres in small homes and if the masses can be sold anything less than 4k (like they need 4k for COD and FIFA / watching sportsball anyway...)
urban lynx
my stepdad bought a 4k TV not too long ago, with the ps5 in mind... lol...
warped dove
displayport on TVs when
cursive summit
Why DP when HDMI exists?
ashen spindle
why hdmi when dp exists
zenith sonnet
HDMI really is redundant
warped dove
generate royalties revenue xD
reef patrol
Be easily backwards compatible with everything HDMI has?
warped dove
Citation needed, I'm just checkin now
reef patrol
I can see why there is HDMI. I can't see why no one seems willing to do DP input as well.
warped dove
Yup I was right. HDMI costs fees per-port while DP doesn't
thick elk
CEC being a thing but for most uses both can do it.
warped dove
As to why not add DP too that's weird and tricky fo sure but when do you ever see tech companies add incredibly minute costs to better user experience
Like it's surreal...
thick elk
changing the ecosystem from HDMI to displayport I don't see happening as the advantages of DP are rather small for the most part.
warped dove
^
thick elk
HDMI is an older connector, display port especially in the past offered things monitors may have needed.
warped dove
Sadly they're not generationally different, they're same generation and one is only pleasingly better, not replacement worthy
HDMI is just a disgusting adaptor though, compared to HDMI it's like microUSB vs USB-C
pale sigil
hate hdmi
thick elk
Anyway CEC is also still a real benefit of hdmi even if it's not used everywhere
Actually sadly quite underused
warped dove
Let's just be glad that gaming PCs have this ecosystem where DP replaced DVI and DP stays entrenched
thick elk
It's also weird how we moved from DP to mini display port and back to full size
warped dove
CEC seems pretty redundant in the age of radio wireless peripherals
I'm not actually sure on the limitations of minidisplayport...
but DP over USB-C that also providers 100W is not to be sniffed at
thick elk
you need a adapter to full size, other then that it's the same pin layout.
warped dove
I assume mini is just less secure
and there's plenty of space on our GPUs
and there's maybe some added* circuit design complexity in using mini
thick elk
However using mini display port did allow for the connectors to be on one slot, allowing for more exhaust. At least on the shitty blower version of the 7950
I do feel like it was simply not needed for later cards, if you use two rows for connectors or remove dvi you are pretty much fine full size
warped dove
Yeah I was imagining that... All these connectors are really hogging exhaust and I hate GPUs without exhaust.. However most GPUs are changing their fin orientation to dump air sideways not lengthwise
Pretty shitty but with multi-GPU dead everyone should be using ITX anyway and dumping air into essentially a chamber isolated from CPU cooler
thick elk
my 7950 basically had hdmi dvi and 2x mini display port next to each other.
warped dove
hrrm
see radeon 590
displayport ok ok cool, hdmi fine fine, dvi wait what where is the exhaust ?? that tiny hole?
^on most non reference designs
hard thicket
people also forget there is a DP cable length limit
warped dove
what does the x stand for
cursive summit
Xtreme
thick elk
cable length limit is mostly a thing on paper, in fact I use 5m long display port cables.
Ultimately with enough shielding they should basically perform the same as hdmi on that regard.
Just display port is not certified for longer runs.
warped dove
vex you're close because it's probably Xperience
So I guess you might aswell be right
reef patrol
Cable length is all about insulation and signal strength.
warped dove
Do regular people ever wire their TV far from their inputs? I got a 6 meter hdmi so my dad could use his computer on his TV but that doesn't seem typical, I use chromecast for that particular purpose
urban lynx
cries in 10m HDMI from computer to TV on the other end
warped dove
are you irregular?
urban lynx
apparently
vagrant marsh
I also got a 10m cable. However, the cable itself is a little bit damaged. Hdmi as per usual. Stupid fragile connectors. It loses connection sometimes and then the tv blacks out, but it inmediatly regains signal.
Happens sometimes. Sometimes not at all. I guess the cable has a preference for what anime it likes to interfere with and which not
urban lynx
lol
misty pier
smh wireless gang
cursive summit
smh wireless gang
extra latency gang* ftfy
pale sigil
ashen spindle
god you're impatient
pale sigil
Not really.
fickle ore
Anyone own a Nvidia 3000 series?
ashen spindle
"we will update you as soon as possible" 3 minutes later "HEY AM I GETTING ANY UPDATES"
pale sigil
But I need to know Iโm actually on the list
@fickle ore I have a pre order for a 3080
ashen spindle
so give the guy time to check that lol
pale sigil
Iโve waited literally 5 days of being ignored just to have them tell me they canโt follow me
Then they suddenly can
So ye,,,, Iโve been patient
ashen spindle
3 minutes after he tells you to wait, no thats not patient lol
reef patrol
Twitter support
fickle ore
I just wanna know whether your 3000-series card has MSI Mode enabled, thnx
ashen spindle
first explain him what that is
pale sigil
Oh lol I meant to type both into me message
fickle ore
I_I
pale sigil
Not one after the other
ashen spindle
ok that makes it even worse
bc you could only wait 2 minutes before asking for a reply lmao
fickle ore
if 6700xt is 500$ im def getting a 3070 I think
ashen spindle
you want a fast answer so let the guy do his job, he can't check on it if you ask him if he is doing his job
misty pier
ashen spindle
๐ฆฏ 
zenith sonnet
He's a duck
ashen spindle
god I hope I can get a AiB 600xt on wednesday
if only for the reason that any webshop here has such a absolutel shitshow of search function
that I can search for "rtx 3080" and the first result is some steel reinforcement for a bed
cursive summit
This looks.. weird
Person is claiming US$620 price
Apparently these were found in Dubai by multiple people
true quest
what is he holding lol
reef patrol
Looks like he WAS holding a gun, but an artist had to photoshop it away? ๐
cursive summit
Sounds like Dubai
true quest
they not like guns?
reef tundra
The invisible 5.45x39 AK-74 ofcourse
urban lynx
well, you'll be investing some money with a monitor like that i assume
fickle ore
I think we have some monitor afificionados here :)?
ashen spindle
Asus ROG Swift PG259QN if you want best refresh rate
fickle ore
24" :F
cursive summit
Any good 16:10s?
I couldn't care less for ultrawides or 32" 16:9s
Too wide, too narrow
thick elk
16:10 is dead, has been so for some time
ashen spindle
idk, terrible format that should burn and die imo
thick elk
sadly
cursive summit
Dunno I really like 16:10
thick elk
16:10 gives me more screen estate for the same amount of desk space.
cursive summit
Which is really awesome
I find 16:9 too narrow
Is there something bigger vertically than 16:9?
That doesn't involve VESA stacking multiple displays above each other?
thick elk
9:16 aka portrait
ashen spindle
4:3 
wheat plume
how do I upload the packages folder from my project to the azure repo? no matter what I do it wont push it
crisp granite
is msi gpu software good, like dragon center and afterburner?
zenith sonnet
Afterburner isn't really MSI software
ashen spindle
yes afterburner is good
zenith sonnet
It's just branded because of a sponsorship or something
crisp granite
the other MSI gpu software?
ashen spindle
idk probably as mediocre as everyone else's
crisp granite
ok
ashen spindle
afterburner or precision for OC, then nvidia control panel or Radeons thing, dont need to touch anything else
crisp granite
ok
I managed to buy one of these: https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_559&item_id=183210, and I wanted to know if installing the software suite is worth it
is it like synapse?
ashen spindle
you dont need it, ignore it
crisp granite
so just afterburner and nvidia control panel?
ashen spindle
nvidia control panel for settings, geforece experience if you want to use filters and all that, afterburner or precision for overclocking
shadow minnow
Is there any way/app to get custom length of exposure on iPhone (over 30 seconds)
cursive summit
The link doesn't work
What did you buy?
@crisp granite
Ah the 3070
Weird EU - NA link not working thing
shadow minnow
The name?
shadow minnow
Bought it few seconds ago as I just found it
hard thicket
lmao
well it can do 30 sec max
for what do you need 30sec exposure anyway ?
astrophotography or what 
shadow minnow
Nope, it looks like it can do unlimited
Also, for asrtro, more than 20 is not recommended
Moving stars
I need more than 30 for very low light
shadow minnow
It is -4C outside rn so not very nice setting up phone camera there ๐
crimson wigeon
It literally tells you what
slate shore
Um
reef tundra
Use a non-cringe language
wheat plume
but why is this happening? I just added a new method into the code
ashen spindle
check what the startup project is
wheat plume
how?
ashen spindle
I keep tellng you, read the error codes you get
they are very detailed in what they describe
wheat plume
yeah, but idk how
reef tundra
lmao, cringe language be cringe
ashen spindle
IDE setting has nothing to do with language...
reef tundra
No classes == no classes to be problems
vagrant marsh
reef tundra
Emerse into the water
ashen spindle
yeah TR cooler nice, mostly useless otherwise though
reef patrol
And it's ugly as sin ๐
vagrant marsh
and heavy as fuck
reef tundra
Nice measurement of weight
shadow minnow
After being 20 minutes in -4C
thick elk
Basically the reason this works on threadripper is simply because no one bothered to build a proper air cooler for threadripper that was actually optimized for the die area. Making a cooler with regular heat pipes of the same size with enough pipes could also work just as well.
ashen spindle
probably yeah
thick elk
you can only fit so much heatpipe on a smaller ihs but on threadripper you have a lot more space so a bigger cooler would improve things.
reef tundra
shit, my just ejected an heated soldering tip fell and landed on my head. It burns a little now.
thick elk
I can see how it could happen, just a weird place for it to land.
reef tundra
Was switching the fat tip to my smaller one and the holder did not fully grip it
its more annoying pain tbh
thick elk
I know how it feels to get burned by a soldering iron, just never on my head. Only finger tips and forearms
chrome estuary
welp
i'm excited
also yeah i've burned hands, fingers, and arms with my iron but never the head
ashen spindle
the g5 is the 1080p model right?
chrome estuary
1440p
1440p144 hdr600 1ms blah blah blah
basically 27" 1440p144
that's what i wanted
that's what i bought
ashen spindle
huh I thought the g7 was the 1440p one
ashen spindle
ah g7 is the 240hz variant
ashen spindle
yeah the monitor seems to be good I'm just confused about the strong curve
chrome estuary
it's something new samsung is doing
ashen spindle
surely there are more people that would want it with no/less of a curve at that size
ashen spindle
yeah but the g9 is an ultrawide, it makes sense tehre
chrome estuary
I've got a 1800r 1080p 27"
flat 4k 28"
and this 1000r 1440p 27" coming
ashen spindle
hm I cant find the curve for mine lmao
chrome estuary
if it's a very tiny curve, it's 1800r more than likely
this is supposed to be their whole thing on it
ah fuck
either way
chrome estuary
not unless your monitor bends backwards
thick elk
Never owned a curved monitor myself, just doesn't seem right. Especially since most of the time I am not gaming anyway.
ashen spindle
it made sense to me on an ultrawide
chrome estuary
my main is the flat 4k
thick elk
Ah yes, the same reason I also don't use an ultrawide
On an ultrawide sure it does make sense to have a curve
ashen spindle
3800/3.8 so uh, 1000 then? but it looks more like a 1800R one
ashen spindle
pg348q
thick elk
Basically the higher the number the less curved.
It's basically what the radius in millimetres to form a full circle
ashen spindle
yeah but it's usually given in /1m
and this number would mean 1000R/1m but it doesnt look as curved as pictures of other 1000R monitors
thick elk
yeah but it's usually given in /1m
From what I know it's just generally the radius, kind of a weird metric but still.
chrome estuary
i want a fuckin Galaxy Z Fold 2 still. Its just too ridiculously priced for me.
ashen spindle
a g5/g7 in regular ultrawide would be nice
ashen spindle
sure, I just more meant I'm interested in the model but the g9 is far too large lol
chrome estuary
i want one still
but much like how i mentioned the fold 2... the g9 is too expensive to me
ashen spindle
that and I'd need a 4090 to run it lmao
chrome estuary
yeaa
ashen spindle
btw how much of a difference is 8 vs 10bit for gaming? noticeable? looking to find some info on it but cant find that much good info
chrome estuary
nfc
ashen spindle
wow youtube made their site worse
if you now use the search function on a channel page, it now also lists videos from other channels?????????
if I want that then I wouldnt use the search function on the channel im on
wtf are these stupid random curvature numbers
oh its xiamoi, ofc chinese budget has to do something special
chrome estuary
youtube has also made it so they'll put ads on ALL videos, not just partnered ones
ashen spindle
well adblocker for youtube still works thankfully
chrome estuary
yeah
chrome estuary
hell that's one of the biggest reasons i've not updated my ipad
jailbreak for adblocker
cursive summit
To my knowledge 1000R and 1500R are types of curvature, how are they "random"?
pale sigil
i just use tweaks for each app
ashen spindle
well looks at what I posted exactly and you should know it
cursive summit
1 .5m?
ashen spindle
yes
cursive summit
That's technically correct
Not sure why they'd transform 1500r into metric system
ashen spindle
didnt say its wrong
misty pier
btw how much of a difference is 8 vs 10bit for gaming? noticeable? looking to fi...
i honestly see no difference
shit looks the same to my eyes
hard thicket
for gaming there is zero difference..
also it's nothing you notice at first sight
from 6bit to 8bit is quite significant, but not the jump from 8 to 10
if you have some hdr 10bit footage you can do a little comparison
crimson wigeon
And how many games even support 10bit output?
hard thicket
i remember seeing 2
mass effect andromeda had the option IIRC
nevermind, mixed it up with the HDR option
no for gaming its utterly useless lol
analog aspen
Anybody here familiar with double nat, bufferbloat, sqm, cake and all that shit? My head exploding
shadow minnow
tbh I hope Apple will stay with 12 Megapixel sensor for iPhones, and rather keep increasing pixel pitch, rather than pixel count
cursive summit
Isn't 12 MP kinda 2015?
shadow minnow
What do you need more for? 12 MP is enough for 4K
Even for 4:3 4K
Higher resolution is currently imo kinda useless
I rather want better low light performance
ashen spindle
why not first make the phone a better phone and add a higher refresh rate screen instead of making it more of a camera
shadow minnow
Yeah, I am really disappointed by 120hz missing on this phone
But it is still lot lot smoother than my 6s plus
cursive summit
What's the point of 120Hz?
On phones?
Does it make the phone noticeably more responsive?
I doubt 60Hz vs 120Hz on phones matters much
ashen spindle
it's a screen, of course you'll notice a difference in doubling the response times
cursive summit
And much higher battery drain
Unless you somehow artificially limit it in scenarios where you don't need high refresh
I'd first like new battery technologies to appear
We are naturally limited by relatively small battery space I'd say
ashen spindle
there are tons of android phones already on 90 that already moved on to 120 and apple is still stuck on 60
cursive summit
Shouldn't we invest a whole lot more in higher capacity batteries? @ashen spindle
Tesla's doing the whole 1 million mile battery thing
ashen spindle
what stops you from doing both
cursive summit
Can't something similar be applied to smartphones?
We've been on Li-ion for a really long time
ashen spindle
it will always be coming at a cost, by that logic we should never move above it
shadow minnow
Some android smartphones and iPad have adaptive refresh rate, that goes back to 60hz when no more is needed
But I hope at least on iPhone 13 there will be 1-120hz LTPO
zenith sonnet
Just some interesting comments from a guy that worked both at AMD and intel.
He said exactly what I was expecting...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jyi8c6/former_amd_engineer_my_first_build_with_an_amd/
woven spade
I wonder how Tachyon mode works โย I was going to build a custom keyboard for myself, and getting lower latency is one goal. I was even looking into making a custom PCI-e card, but there lies madness, so it's a good news that no-rollover and near-millisecond response are achievable over USB.
Bus is not a limitation, even USB2.0 in HiSpeed-mode AFACT. I wonder how one can quickly get input from the keys without a custom IC with 100 I/O lines.
ashen spindle
https://blog.wooting.nl/what-influences-keyboard-speed/ might be something that interests you then
woven spade
Yeah, there is a single paragraph inside saying that there are multiplexers.
But it's not technical enough.
A digital 16-to-4 multiplexer is unable to report more than one keypress for the row, so this one is out for no-rollovers.
Is it a digital-to-analog multiplexer that transforms sets of keys into analog signal level that is processed by a A2D in the MCU? I don't know.
I see published CAD designs for the shell, but not the schematics or PCB layouts for the keyboard itself.
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore (or anyone)
Ever tried DXVK?
ashen spindle
well, you sadly missed the chance to ask them directly on stream yesterday, if you dont want to wait for the next stream, probably best to ping one of them in #archived_questions_answers to see how much they can reply, or send them and email and see how much they can help out
crimson wigeon
I use DXVK a lot for gaming on Linux
reef patrol
Japan maybe?
cursive summit
For a December launch, 3060Ti is shipping early I think
Also no benchmarks yet which is also bizarre considering how so many stores are reporting stock
ashen spindle
of course, they have been making 3060 ti since they started making 3070 cards
it's the same chip so if it doesnt reach 70 it will then be tried to use it as 60ti
wheat plume
I hate web dev .-.
it can get ratings but the damn feature array wont show and idk where tf that is
zenith sonnet
@crimson wigeon I was wondering if there's any point in using it on Windows
Seen it being recommended for a few things every now and then
crimson wigeon
Depends, if you're using Nvidia hardware then definitely not, if AMD then you might see some slight framerate gains
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet I tried for gw2 I think
worked well
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jyg8ln/using_dxvk_to_fix_dx9_performance_on_amd_cards/ I guess you saw this
halcyon moss
@wheat plume you're stringyfying an object
wheat plume
I got it to work :D
it was looking for a variable I forgot to remove from the sample project
also, it wasnt showing the list of highlights cause i fucking misspelled highlights in the damn pug file -.-
slate shore
Eyyyy it works
wheat plume
nope.... -.-
I click on one of them at I get 404 error
FUCK, idk what makes it get the right page
controller maybe??
slate shore
Damn.
analog aspen
Anybody here familiar with double nat, bufferbloat, sqm, cake and all that shit? My head exploding
wheat plume
cursive summit
I wonder, do fishes increase the thermal conductivity?
Might put a goldfish in my AIO just to test that out
Are there easy ways to fix display flicker?
Cause it's been doing this for a while, but recently got worse
ashen spindle
why do they have to be active on reddit, its such a bad place for replies and such zzz so hard to follow
fickle ore
yep :c
fickle ore
"AMD supports Deferred Command Lists!
Deferred Command lists require that developers implement them in their engine. AMD does not support driver command lists which is a way to fake multithreading the core game functionality in the driver itself and then multithreading it.
That is why every single AAA release needs a driver update for Nvidia, because they have to re-work the engine logic to make it render faster.
If you want to test out deferred command lists, you can download a sample showing how they work from microsoft here:
https://code.msdn.microsoft.com/Direct3D-Multithreaded-d02193c0
https://github.com/walbourn/directx-sdk-samples/tree/master/MultithreadedRendering11"
cool
ashen spindle
interresting
uhhh that is super low level and tbh I cba to see how much that matters/changed since 4 years ago
reef patrol
old marlin
not even the 9700k from my laptop reaches that
crimson wigeon
So time for memes about AMD CPUs being on fire
old marlin
I mean
it obv is
just look at the design of the cooling
how much way the air has to travel
how many 180 degree turns
very detrimental to airflow
old marlin
bigger part is that the series X has a much more sensible cooling layout
thick elk
It's mostly memory temps, but they probably tested it and deemed it okay.
old marlin
also axial fan > radial fan
more effective surface area on your impeller is just better
thick elk
The problem with the ps5 at least has not much to do with the fan, but rather transporting the heat to the fan.
thick elk
But yea axial fans are better if you can utilise them properly.
old marlin
series X also has, in addition to a nice heatsink, also a giant chunk of aluminum inbetween to eat up any temperature spikes
from a cooling standpoint it is one of the best designed gaming devices I have seen tbh
cursive summit
Too bad PS5 is quite literally buying the market share
cursive summit
Wouldn't ever buy Sony's shit if they weren't scummy ass fuckers with their acquisitions
Microsoft ain't bad when it comes to their acquisitions
thick elk
I would love to see adaptive triggers and good haptics to be more mainstream / on pc.
As those can really help on games that do work well with controllers.
controller wise microsoft has been pretty lazy.
Honestly I would probably not buy a non portable console anytime soon.
Skipped the ps4 / xbone, just have a switch and a pc and really that's more then enough.
old marlin
controllers both seem fine
wanna try a dualsense
power on time is atrocious on those btw 
thick elk
Can't be worse than my pc.
Typing some way to long password for it to boot.
sinful nimbus
nixos works via a configuration file to manage the whole system. in my case to get wooting running all i had to add was hardware.wooting.enable = true; in the config file.
sorry for the very late reply
vast moss
old marlin
is there any not overpriced GPU out there rn btw?
halcyon moss
last gen ones
ashen spindle
I mean depends on what you want
old marlin
yea the rich parentrs of a friend asked if he wants a GPU for christmas
but he doesn't like them overpaying
he has an RX 580 atm
ashen spindle
1k,2k,4k screen?
ashen spindle
3060 ti should come out before that, that could be something worth looking at
dec 2nd is supposed launch for that one
supposed to beat a 2080 super at 399$
thick elk
Hmm you know what, a rx580 may be a good deal right now for that: ๐ค
But on a more serious note, I don't think this is a good time to upgrade in that price range.
wheat plume
Controversial video :P https://youtu.be/1ueaqvpxQhE
ashen spindle
dont need a new one sure, but you can run games better/at higher settings still
60ti stock is also going to be much better
thick elk
Either way waiting really is the best option until the new cards get available.
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1228119525427539968 new nvidia connector
cursive summit
@wheat plume You remind me one of those YouTube spam bots
#Video url here# CONTROVERSIAL VID! CLICK HERE
wheat plume
It is a controversial video :P In a way....
Ninendo refuse to fix joycon drift and dont ackowledge that it an actual problem
cursive summit
Joycons are trash
I got my GF a switch
And they are already worn out
Tracking went shit
She got a joystick or whatever you call it for it
ashen spindle
I think I read someone saying it's just all cables in a psu on one connector for whatever reason lol
zenith sonnet
Is there any reason to defer Windows 2009 update?
wheat plume
cant even order the monitors now
and when they get back in stock, I have onsite exams :/
so I will have to wait for the 14Th to order them
zenith sonnet
@old marlin Aight. Question still stands, though
zenith sonnet
I barely use that any more, so...
misty pier
friendship ended with start menu, run is my best friend now
wheat plume
I use the app launcher you get with powertoys
zenith sonnet
Tbf, I usually use search
ashen spindle
so just get other monitors? not like they had anything special to them
unless the other options cost a lot more
zenith sonnet
Is there anything like DXVK for OGL?
crimson wigeon
Yes, Zink although it's still quite rough and I'm not sure if it works on Windows
wheat plume
unless the other options cost a lot more
this
crisp granite
3090 kingpin
get a gpu with no OC headroom, give it stupid crazy power delivery and a massive aio, and charge twice the price
big brain play by EVGA there
ashen spindle
twice the price? it doesn't even cost 50% more
ashen spindle
33% higher price vs 100% higher is quite a different thing lol
wheat plume
Nice
ashen spindle
also, nothing new, its only costs 100$ more than the 2080ti kingpin, despite the 3090 itself costing 500$ more
wheat plume
https://www.komplett.ie/iiyama-g-master-g2730hsu-b1-27/20842152/product/9511
They have the larger ones in stock
wheat plume
hm?
ashen spindle
literally the first result
wheat plume
VA
ashen spindle
yes its the same shit
it doesnt matter
there if you want to pay 20 bucks more for no gain, go for it
ashen spindle
I know right, insane
crisp granite
I'll take your whole stock!!!
ashen spindle
I only got 5 of it, but I can reserve it for you
ashen spindle
@fickle ore https://www.anandtech.com/show/16267/amd-precision-boost-overdrive-2-adaptive-undervolting-for-ryzen-5000-coming-soon5900x might be the best for efficency based on this, cant wait for some reviews of it
thick elk
To be fair one is 21.5 inch and the other 24, I can see that mattering.
ashen spindle
ok fair I didn't pay attention, I literally just selected fullhd and sorted by price
cursive summit
@wheat plume Can you name me any city in the general area of Ireland you are in?
wheat plume
y?
ashen spindle
potato town
wheat plume
as long as its the republic of ireland its all the same shipping price
cursive summit
slate shore
Dublin is a city in Ireland
cursive summit
Well it's not the same here
wheat plume
it is here!
cursive summit
Here we pay rates according to city sizes or some shit I dunno
slate shore
Ireland is small.
wheat plume
^^
slate shore
Relatively speaking
wheat plume
also ^^
cursive summit
"Small"
wheat plume
arent some states in the USA larger than Ireland?
cursive summit
Yeah bigger than my poor country
slate shore
Most of the states in the US are larger
cursive summit
Some states in the U.S.A are bigger than U.K
wheat plume
RIP
slate shore
iirc Ireland is about the size of my state
ashen spindle
Texas is so big, you can even fit another Texas in it
slate shore
And mine is visibly one of the smaller ones on the map
wheat plume
to get from 24.5" to 27", there is a โฌ40 difference....
cursive summit
@ashen spindle Every 60s in Africa a minute passes?
ashen spindle
yeah idk seems like there are enough options to get one whenever
cursive summit
Didn't she want 144Hz?
ashen spindle
idfk what she wants because she'll probably change her mind just before ordering again anyway
cursive summit
Tbh that's actually true
Tried saving her from Nvidia budget card horrors
Only after buying she regrets her decision
wheat plume
https://www.komplett.ie/ewent-ew1512-desk-mount/20836765/product/9680
this says max size of 32"
does that apply to the 100x100 mount or the 75x75 also?
ashen spindle
why would the mount matter, it's about the distance between the two arms
bigger/smaller mount doesnt change the center of the screen
cursive summit
Looks like the distance between arms is somewhere in the ~82cm area
40cms or so for half of the screen
wheat plume
thanks for the vagueness
wheat plume
yo
cursive summit
Just pointing out you didn't seem to look at the pictures of the product
Where it clearly says that it supports VESA 75 and 100
wheat plume
I know it does
cursive summit
Then again what stand doesn't support that?
wheat plume
idk what the monitor supports, if that has 75 or 100 holes
cursive summit
VESA is a standard so it shouldn't matter at all
cursive summit
Imagine if you were to buy a commodity, and you had to ask yourself, which one of 2 or more different units it represents
Really inconvenient
That's why thankfully we started standartisizing shit
cursive summit
@vagrant marsh
From the text definitely seems dutch
Not german
Yep I can already tell it's dutch
wheat plume
yeha def not German
vagrant marsh
Yea, its dutch
wheat plume
I aint stupid (mostly)
cursive summit
@wheat plume Let's call it clumsiness
wheat plume
Shh
the onyl word I know is monitr cause its the same
I know one language, thats boring
wheat plume
No Irish
cursive summit
??
wheat plume
I did foundation level
cursive summit
That still sounds like basic grade Irish
wheat plume
ye
cursive summit
Which I'd add as a tick in resume
slate shore
Think she remembers more of her second language than I do lmao
ashen spindle
now the question is if she will remember enough to make a good monitor purchase..
cursive summit
She just needs some guidance
wheat plume
once I have time to order them
cursive summit
TN display
wheat plume
Yall were saying that VA is good enough like an hour ago :')
ashen spindle
you want to pay more a worse display?
wheat plume
more than?
cursive summit
VA is good though
pale sigil
Tn bad
ashen spindle
yes you are linking a TN panel not a va panel???????
wheat plume
I want IPS but idk any good ones for the price
wheat plume
Are there OLED displays?
Yeah, but they cost a shit ton
ashen spindle
no you want the cheapest option that is not TN, so either IPS or VA
cursive summit
144Hz buddy
thick elk
VA is a godo option when it comes to cheap 1080p screens
cursive summit
This monitor genuinely looks good
pale sigil
VA is great
wheat plume
freaking hell
cursive summit
VA in some cases beats IPS for all I know
wheat plume
I was told by one of you that VA is shit
pale sigil
Also everything I see on that monitor is about dead pixels
cursive summit
Someone did say VA is shit
I forgot who it was
but we are universally against TN
cursive summit
@pale sigil Which one?
wheat plume
oh wait, you need to hole in the desk for a clamp mount :/
thick elk
VA has drawbacks in terms of bluring for gaming panels has a bit worse color reproduction than ips, a bit worse viewing angles (still better than tn) and better contrast than ips
pale sigil
You don't lana
wheat plume
some of them to, ah
cursive summit
It's not bully, we just pointing out her clutziness
wheat plume
I am a moron
cursive summit
thick elk
Even TN is not that terrible on newer higher end panels. I mean I am pretty sure my 144hz 1440p tn panel is better in view and colors compared to the trash ips panel you may find on a cheaper laptop.
wheat plume
cursive summit
@thick elk She can't afford high end
thick elk
That was mostly just a sidenote
wheat plume
VA has drawbacks in terms of bluring for gaming panels has a bit worse color rep...
so worse rfresh rates?
thick elk
not exactly
cursive summit
No?
IPS and VA generally have same refresh rates
IPS actually is more expensive at higher refresh rates
wheat plume
response time
ashen spindle
lana you are buying an entry level monitor, response time there is equally bad on everything
cursive summit
Response time is same thing between IPS and VA I'd say
wheat plume
they arent :P
thick elk
It's mostly a bit more smearing with darker colors in trasition. and we are talking about cheap panels here.
However that does not mean it should be a big issue.
cursive summit
Jesus christusus
wheat plume
lana you are buying an entry level monitor, response time there is equally bad o...
TBF, the one I have rn is 5ms :')
thick elk
those numbers mean nothing these are just magic marketing numbers.
thick elk
I still remember the good old dynamic contrast marketing
100000:1 while the static contrast was more like 800:1
ashen spindle
either take advise and let us help you not waste money or just say you just want to buy what you want and that's fine
wheat plume
ok, so suggest me one :D has to have HDMI and a displayport port
wheat plume
this?
crisp granite
no
wheat plume
no, this has no DP hang on
crisp granite
it's just called the G241
ashen spindle
I literally suggested you like 5 times to just get one 144hz, and one 60 hz, whatever the cheapest option your site has
wheat plume
ah
ashen spindle
or even a 75hz as secondary as that seems to be cheaper bc of the current deal
cursive summit
I don't think that's a good idea tbh, she has a decent panel rn
ashen spindle
and if you dont go for 144hz to get the cheapest non TN version
cursive summit
Just add a new 144Hz one to it, and it's fine
wheat plume
Im selling this to friend anyway, cause Id prefer two screens than one
ashen spindle
table space is not infinite
wheat plume
this?
thick elk
cheap option:
https://www.komplett.ie/philips-v-line-243v7qjabf-00/20859633/product/9511
144hz curved option: https://www.komplett.ie/philips-v-line-243v7qjabf-00/20859633/product/9511
144hz non curved: https://www.komplett.ie/aoc-gaming-24g2u-23-8/20971283/product/9511
assuming you really need display port
wheat plume
I need DP ye
ashen spindle
getting an adapter cable is cheaper than getting any of those lmao
thick elk
but as for adapters it can be a hassle especially if you use two inputs
ashen spindle
and your monitor looks fine, but shipping etc. adds quite alot there
thick elk
uh that's rather expensive for just 75hz
ashen spindle
get that and a cable if you cant to either vga nor hdmi
because im pretty sure you card has more than just DP ports
thick elk
that would be a fair cheap option.
cursive summit
Did you lads forget she wanted to upgrade her card?
So 75Hz to me sounds kinda weird?
ashen spindle
it doesnt matter, it's cheaper than 60hz options atm
vagrant marsh
@wheat plume why were you looking at a dutch screen stand?
cursive summit
@vagrant marsh It's big.. like most dutch. Lana style
thick elk
display port to hdmi can be done on a passive adapter as long as you don't use too many screens. often the gpu has a dvi-i / d port that can also be used with a passive adapter to vga though personally I prefer to avoid vga as it can have some issues
wheat plume
cause thats the one on this site
didnt know they were Dutch until i saw the video xd
ashen spindle
can you double check what ports you card has
vagrant marsh
Lana likes big dutch
wheat plume
DVI, DisplayPort, HDMI
thick elk
So basically you can have an adapter from dvi to vga and run the other of hdmi?
wheat plume
VGA...
wheat plume
DVI-D
ashen spindle
yes, or have this be the secondary if a 144hz main monitor fits into the budget
cursive summit
DVI-D? Must be at least DisplayPort 4.0
wheat plume
DVI-D > DisplayPort?
ashen spindle
just ignore him
cursive summit
DVI-D is better than any other technology
ashen spindle
again, does this monitor look fine or not
https://www.komplett.ie/acer-ek240ya-24/20993829/product/9511
or this if a smaller screen is fine bc then you save 20 bucks
https://www.komplett.ie/acer-ek220qa-21-5/20993833/product/9511
wheat plume
the mismatch in monitor size would be nice if it was a vertical mount :D
put the smaller one above the other
reef tundra
Dvi-d is outdated tech nowadays
ashen spindle
so either get one of them twice, one you use with HDMI for the other you get a cable DP-HDMI, or you look for a 144hz monitor if the budget allows
and 144hz should all ahve DP anyway
wheat plume
this one seems neat https://www.komplett.ie/aoc-24p2c-23-8/20998779/product/9511
oh, 1 in stock
wheat plume
?
wheat plume
uwu
cursive summit
@wheat plume Do you care for refresh rate?
wheat plume
not much
cursive summit
Fair enough, question answered
pale sigil
You should
pale sigil
first 144hz experience
wheat plume
hehe
cursive summit
@pale sigil It's actually sick
ashen spindle
@wheat plume why is it that you want that monitor instead of the one I linked three times now
cursive summit
I came from 20ms latency 60Hz shitty Philips to a 144Hz VA
It's actually insane
The difference is godly
But once you taste good shit tech, you want more
Now I want more pixels, so 4K
pale sigil
I HVe 1440p 144hz so irs more of a curse than a blessing
wheat plume
idk not like higher than 1080 :P
wheat plume
<@!361968952592826378> why is it that you want that monitor instead of the one I...
I was suggesting
cursive summit
@wheat plume Actually, just get a 144Hz 1440p panel and be set for life
wheat plume
<@!361968952592826378> Actually, just get a 144Hz 1440p panel and be set for lif...
yes but maybe not currently :') the only game I get more than 144Hz is Minecraft and Distance and sometimes GTA V
pale sigil
Lana should not get 1440p
wheat plume
^^
cursive summit
Maybe Lana should first get a new graphics card
wheat plume
LOL
pale sigil
It is new
pale sigil
She could have had my 1070ti but nooooooooooooooo
thick elk
remember the benefit of 144hz adaptive sync is when you get >60fps not just when you get 144fps
wheat plume
I do get > 60 :D
ashen spindle
she could also save money but I guess she just wants to pay twice the price for nothing
wheat plume
That was related to the GPU drivers
thick elk
It's up to you, but yea. 1080p 60 is cheaper.
ashen spindle
yes I still want to know why you suggested it, or did you just click on a random monitor without looking at anything it does?
thick elk
Even the Philips one I linked was similar and did include display port, granted it was more expensive than the cheaper va panels.
it was also 120 not 180
115 even
Also a minor sidenode often screens that advertise specifically 75hz do so at some low resolutions while remaining 60hz at 1080p.
You can force them to run at around 75hz at 1080 but that's not stock.
thick elk
okay I have some that don't, maybe some newer panels can.
either way 60 vs 75hz is not that big a difference. Fun to force refresh rate but that's about it.
ashen spindle
main points are, it's availible, and the cheapest option and doesnt seem to have any issues
crisp granite
the game starts doing weird shit above 60 fps
vagrant marsh
Nah, they made a mod to fix the engine
crisp granite
thank god for modders
thick elk
So to sum the options up:
Cheapest: https://www.komplett.ie/acer-ek240ya-24/20993829/product/9511
Essentially paying โฌ 20 for having some smaller bezels and a display port connector: https://www.komplett.ie/philips-v-line-243v7qdab-00-23-8/20837062/product/9511
Looking at the high refresh rate options where you were looking kind of a big nope in terms of availability. for the ones that make sense.
crisp granite
that I only noticed after over 200 hours in the game
thick elk
in the 120 range there are some other options as well though.
hard thicket
shipment confirmed of the 3090s woooo
wheat plume
I just went to that site, I can see the irishness :')
wheat plume
irish web devs really cannot make a website look good and it shows in almost every website made here
That sums up Ireland though xd
it works
but its not pretty
cursive summit
You should hire me
wheat plume
:P
misty pier
lmao that TLD
wheat plume
misty pier
damn they're not wrong
wheat plume
yeh xd
slate shore
That is the absolute best motherfucking website
quaint hatch
thick elk
Wouldn't know, I am still on my first roll which is one I stole from my brother after he didn't use it for years.
reef tundra
Thinking you mean for microelectronics..
The specific type does not matter that much. The most important is to choose between leaded or leadfree, the diameter and flux used. The more premium solder gives more mirror-like finishes and has an good flux that makes it bond better.
Currently my main roll is from stannol Sn60Pb40 with a 0.7mm diameter, old and wellknown company.
The diameter is mostly personal preference, small diameters, while more fragile, allow for more controlled amount. Larger ones are stiffer. To go with leadfree option is mostly for its safety consideration, dont eat it anyways. The problem with leadfree options is their higher price and their tendancy to form tin-whiskers
ashen spindle
not as great, but doesn't hurt to try and see what you get
fickle ore
if I would get a stupid processor first =G
oh well, time for agesa to mature
1.1.8.0 early dec
BDO 800 fps!
BDO has combat animation and combat frames tied to fps
misty pier
"don't eat it anyways" 
reef tundra
Apparently, lead aint good to the body
misty pier
i mean who eats solder
reef tundra
Some late-night snackers, maybe?
