🔌│tech

[hard thicket]

the most expensive one being the strix for 1800

[ashen spindle]

I mean thats some much smaller shop, I'm willing to bet they have like a stock of 20 cards in total over all places here

and they overprice everything alread

[misty pier]

they got 3090s here for 1499 USD

[ashen spindle]

in stock?

[misty pier]

yeh

[hard thicket]

here aswell

the stock is literally full

[ashen spindle]

impressive

[hard thicket]

if i order one now, i'd have it in a day

[misty pier]

I could get it by next week if I ordered but, I don't need a new gpu

[pale sigil]

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/zotac-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-trinity-24gb-gddr6x-ray-tracing-graphics-card

[ashen spindle]

guess 3090 is the one that was most likely to get saturate first

[crisp granite]

yeah

[hard thicket]

well its not in everyone's affordable range

[crisp granite]

the one gpu in stock at my local stores are 3090s

not in anyones

[pale sigil]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-gaming-x-trio-24gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-369-ms.html

[pale sigil]

1800

[misty pier]

[pale sigil]

[cursive summit]

Here 3090 is 1900€

[misty pier]

jfc I could get a new system for that much

[cursive summit]

3070 is 850€

499$ MSRP btw

[hard thicket]

higher demand/low supply

[crisp granite]

3070 is 850€
@cursive summit scalpers charge that

[hard thicket]

there you go

[pale sigil]

750-800 quid here

:/

[ashen spindle]

yeah and many retailers just turn into scalpers bc they know the demand lol

[crisp granite]

surprisingly 3070s in prebuilts are not expensive at all

[misty pier]

easy to make money off these fools

just jack up the price and let them buy it

[cursive summit]

@crisp granite more like every single computer shop in Lithuania charges that

[hard thicket]

the sad thing is it's not just the gpus

[crisp granite]

but everything

could be worse

at least someone is selling rtx 3000 cards

[hard thicket]

looks at amd

[crisp granite]

they did about the same

[misty pier]

nobody is spared this year

[crisp granite]

a complete dumpster fire of a launch

[hard thicket]

their gpu's are not even listed here lol

[crisp granite]

yay

[hard thicket]

like nowhere

[crisp granite]

lets see if we can be 3 for 3

they're all listed in canada

[ashen spindle]

well almost everything amd makes is on the same wafers, laptop chips, console chips, current and last gen cpus, current and last gen gpus

[crisp granite]

as out of stock

[ashen spindle]

whereas nvidia has like no other product made on the node they are using for ampere

[crisp granite]

and no other product

my local canada computers has very few gpus for sale

it's sad

[hard thicket]

no worries 2020 is soon over

from now on it gets just worse lol

[misty pier]

i don't think canada gets much of anything

most of the us have the stock

[crisp granite]

canada really gets nothing

we literally got the popeyes chicken sandwich for the first time a few days ago

you know, something americans get the whole year

[misty pier]

damn thats depressing

[crisp granite]

yup

[misty pier]

im still considering moving there but the stock for pc parts isn't really that good though

[crisp granite]

yup

people are scalping rtx 2000 cards rn

[misty pier]

those are all gone here haha

[crisp granite]

just because no other gpus are available

except for all those rx570s

[misty pier]

so even amd 5000 gpus are sold out

[crisp granite]

they aren't listed here

I guess LTT has all the RX 6000 cards in canada then

he kinda has like half of the RTX 3000 cards too

[misty pier]

funky shit

[crisp granite]

yup

[misty pier]

we still have 5000s in stock here

[crisp granite]

wait

what?

[misty pier]

the uh 5000 gpus

[crisp granite]

nice

same here

[misty pier]

cpus i don't know

i haven't kept up

[crisp granite]

my local store has had an i5 9400f on clearance for

I don't even remember how long

fucking long time

we have lots of 9th gen i5's but not much else

[misty pier]

last time I checked at some local store, they still got a ton of amd 3000 cpus on the shelves

no intel

[hard thicket]

next gpu gen be like

[crisp granite]

oh fuck

yes

8 pin for days

[hard thicket]

hell yes

[misty pier]

that thing is going to melt all of our psus

[crisp granite]

not my 1600 watt

actually

it probably will

[hard thicket]

casually pulling nearly 700w

[crisp granite]

nvm

[thick elk]

next nvidia gpu: https://luckyretail.com/Uploadfile/201705141/042816/042816-3.JPG

[crisp granite]

casually pulling nearly 700w
@hard thicket intel 11th gen

[hard thicket]

isn't too unthinkable tbh

[crisp granite]

yeah

[hard thicket]

lmao

good old times

"3 way sli"

i miss those days

[crisp granite]

"3 way" with gtx titans

[hard thicket]

the best part is, it was even affordable too

unlike now

[crisp granite]

where sli, I mean NVlink costs 2 3090s and a bridge that's another hundred

[hard thicket]

wait the bridge costs hundred bucks

[crisp granite]

gpus and nvlink alone costs over $4500 cad

[hard thicket]

how do you come to 4500??

[crisp granite]

two asus tuf 3090s

[hard thicket]

would be around 3300

3500

[crisp granite]

are $2280 CAD

each

[hard thicket]

well those prices will stablize one day

[crisp granite]

that's like 1600 USD

it's not too bad

[hard thicket]

considering that you also get 48gb of vram that way

[crisp granite]

48 gb of gddr6x

20000+ cuda cores

[misty pier]

thats a lot of power

[ashen spindle]

Not for gaming/not on rtx cards, you don’t get access to more memory still iirc

[hard thicket]

such a setup makes zero sense for gaming

[crisp granite]

just to think that eventually that level of gpu will be considered budget tier

[hard thicket]

how do you plan to make use of 48gb of vram in games anyway lol

[crisp granite]

LTT gaming at 16K colab

[misty pier]

just download more vram if you need it

[hard thicket]

gonna solder my ddr4 dimms

[ashen spindle]

More than 3 Skyrim mods

[hard thicket]

fair point

[crisp granite]

MOAR TEXTURE MODS

[misty pier]

you guys are hitting the vram limit with skyrim mods?

wth

[crisp granite]

yup

and fallout 4 mods too

[hard thicket]

you can mess with skyrim quiitee a lot

[misty pier]

hasn't happened to me yet

[crisp granite]

all bethesda games really

[misty pier]

maybe because I don't keep tabs on my vram usage

[hard thicket]

then you didnt try hard enough

[misty pier]

time to install 100 more texture mods

[crisp granite]

yes

[misty pier]

or get 2000 mods like my friend

i have no idea how she runs that shit

[crisp granite]

and keep a fire extinguisher handy

tech tip

[hard thicket]

jokes on you my 2080 lit up once

[crisp granite]

noice

oc'ed or stock

[hard thicket]

oc'd

[crisp granite]

ah

[hard thicket]

and a screw fell onto the backside pcb

[crisp granite]

oh

yikes

[hard thicket]

sparked like a firework

[crisp granite]

do your oc's outside, kids

for safety

[hard thicket]

and always make sure to hotswap your pcie slots

[crisp granite]

always use the top slot

for your wifi card

gpu always goes in the bottom slot

[hard thicket]

wrong

you use that for your gpu

https://canary.contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/5d3031aad4c46712d1437160-large.jpg?cache_buster=c3a179fd9b778ae945fca5c06490a9d6

[crisp granite]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-linus-tech-tips-but-why-why-ltt-gif-18100763

when you could just plug a thunderbolt enclosure into a standard usb c port

[misty pier]

also is it me or has my gpu have some weird grease on the backplate

[hard thicket]

that's too convenient

[misty pier]

its like a dark splotch

[crisp granite]

true

the more jank, the better

its like a dark splotch
@misty pier taste test

[hard thicket]

i did such a shitty soldering job of my C13 psu cable, when ever i touch the backside of the case

i get shocked

[misty pier]

i dont think backplates are delicious

[hard thicket]

but it's also a good safety measurement

[crisp granite]

true

[hard thicket]

no one dares to move the pc

neither do i

[crisp granite]

i dont think backplates are delicious
@misty pier but the splotch on the backplate might be

[hard thicket]

btw can one of you perhaps tell me what connector that is ?

[crisp granite]

m.2?

[hard thicket]

nope

sadly not

[crisp granite]

pci-e something?

[hard thicket]

no idea

pci-e has a different form too

[crisp granite]

do you know what the device is?

[hard thicket]

it's a soundcard

of the x570 VII Impact board

[crisp granite]

then it's a proprietary connector

some mobo companies love to do that

[hard thicket]

uhm

nvm

looks like its

"PCIe Mini"

the fuck is pcie mini

[misty pier]

and that's cool you can detach it

[hard thicket]

yep

thought about using it as a third SSD slot

[vagrant marsh]

Isnt pcie mini the x1 pcie?

[hard thicket]

so i can ditch my satas entirely

i've no idea

but looks like there are infact pcie mini SSD's

[vagrant marsh]

Like those ssd cards you put in pcie?

[hard thicket]

you know those small wifi network cards in laptops ?

that's that connector

the actual connector name is mSata

[pale sigil]

wot

literally open

[ashen spindle]

They are retards, if you follow them or if you open dms they can contact you

[pale sigil]

ye no

they have that disabled

i cant dm even if i follow

no one can

[ashen spindle]

No, if you follow them they can dm you is what I’m saying

They don’t need to follow you

Aka absolute stupidity

[pale sigil]

ah

well

rip

[ashen spindle]

the only option could be that they dont have a verified phone number so that might limit dm's but doesnt affect who you can follow

[pale sigil]

Weird

RIP ebuyer via phone said they sent out emails and calls already so it’s safe to assume I didn’t get a spot for the 6800 XT

And i haven't had my weekly update for my 5600x

[cursive summit]

Out of stock in LT

Planned restock only in 2 weeks here

5600X that is

Damn you cowona

[ashen spindle]

not caused by it

it only causes a bit higher demand but not much

[misty pier]

everyone want gaming pc

[cursive summit]

@ashen spindle Corona must have slowed down manufacturing, playing into low stock availability

Unless it didn't, you know better

[ashen spindle]

it didnt affect it at all

[wheat plume]

Blur looks so good <3

[cursive summit]

Where did you get a robot cat?

Are you making your own Android OS?

[wheat plume]

From Android 11

[cursive summit]

Ah

After Android 10 I want nothing android anymore

[wheat plume]

Why so?

[fickle ore]

https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1329622512557166593?s=19 NOMNOM

Linus Tech Tips (@LinusTech)

The best gaming mouse (according to the specs)

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@ashen spindle good to know, yeah I saw similar results in some other benchmarks aswell

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume Too many problems

Headphone jack not working anymore

Battery draining faster

[wheat plume]

That mouse is covered in that furry shit

[cursive summit]

Bloatware was installed without my consent

[wheat plume]

What phone you have?

[cursive summit]

Less responsive phone overall

Nokia 7+

[wheat plume]

Nokia
Hmmmmm

IDK much about them

[cursive summit]

I like Nokia ;-;

They are fine phones for their asking price

Just that android 10 was a bag of nothing good and lots of bad

[fickle ore]

Nokia ftw

Altho I will always buy nokia cuz its a countryman product

[cursive summit]

They don't offer top of the line perf

But it's a fine, trusted phone that won't die on you

If you don't update it...

I guess

Cause android updates fucked my Nokia 7+

I hate the fact headphone jack isn't working anymore

[pale sigil]

Lady on the phones told me they got 12 6800XT cards in today.

yep

not got it

[cursive summit]

👏 sad 👏 clap

Well good luck next week Cal

You'll prolly get it

I mean you'll most likely get it

[pale sigil]

for 100 or so more

😦

[misty pier]

do you really need a new card right now though?

[cursive summit]

He claims he does

Though I see no reason why his 1070Ti isn't good enough

[pale sigil]

its shite for 1440p

[wheat plume]

is the length of MQ = QO?

cause <MQO is right angled

[true quest]

is <NRO right angled

[wheat plume]

yep

[true quest]

if that is the case, i wouldnt assume mq=qo because <mqo is right angled

since it might look the same, but im guessing you need hard proof that it is

[pale sigil]

running at 1080p on a 1440p monitor is painfuk

[cursive summit]

Damn, geometry

Been a while

[pale sigil]

164 from 167 in a week?!?!?

im nvever getting a 5600x

its gone down to 134 suddenly.

[reef patrol]

[vagrant marsh]

dw vexxed. once you go poco, you never want something else

[true quest]

ok i did some math, which might be wrong, but i am sure they are not the same length

[ashen spindle]

I mean no need to run math to see that isn't a proof

make MN longer and it's still right angle but easily to see they wont be same length

[true quest]

yeah that was already settled

but i cam with 17.8 for qo

came*

[cursive summit]

They shouldn't have been equal tbh

But then again I completely forgot geometry

And never liked it

I liked calculus, not drawing 😄

[vagrant marsh]

i know 0 + 0 = ∞

[cursive summit]

That's.. actually true

[vagrant marsh]

1 : 0 = ∞¹

∞¹>∞

[cursive summit]

The second one.. makes no sense

[vagrant marsh]

1/0= ∞ = 2/0. 1 equals 2.

[neat oriole]

I mean any operation done to infinity should still equal infinity unless it’s like to the power of 0

I’m pretty sure that’s not how math works

[vagrant marsh]

because in math, dividing by zero is undefined

[neat oriole]

Undefined != infinity

[vagrant marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKmGVE85GUU

1 = 2

infinity equals infinitee

[neat oriole]

Yeah but logically it doesn’t make sense

That’s like if I asked you how much of nothing is in something

[vagrant marsh]

cause the mathemetical logic hasnt been created yet for dividing by zero

[neat oriole]

There is no “nothing” in something but you could also fit infinite amounts of nothing into something before you even get to the something

That’s why it’s undefined because conceptually it doesn’t make sense

[slate shore]

Leave the dividing by zero to the Elder gods

[ashen spindle]

I mean, 4k being more in nvidias favor is nothing new, we saw the "doubled" cuda cores not being used as much on lower resolution

whats your monitor

well I think you enjoy higher refresh rates more than higher res, so some QHD is probably better for you than 4k

[zenith sonnet]

@fickle ore You should see it the other way round. It provides a larger boost at moderate resolutions

[harsh ridge]

has anyone ever found something like the picture below but the other way around?

so its like usb-c in to micro-b out

lmao found it, wasnt easy because i had been looking for quite a while, but never good enough i guess

[wheat plume]

Is this worth the extra money over the TN panel from iiyama?

[crisp granite]

how much more?

[wheat plume]

€125 vs €169

Same everything except this is IPS vs TN

[crisp granite]

IPS is way better

like night and day

but weigh that against that 44 Euros

that's quite a few beers

[wheat plume]

I don't drink xd

[crisp granite]

that's a game or two

@wheat plume https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC2x2C8ZGzU

he talks about colours for a bit with some side by sides

so this should be a good comparison

[wheat plume]

I don't have much space left for games

I really need to get a large hard drive just for game storage

[crisp granite]

just out of curiosity, how bad is VAT?

[crisp granite]

then determine if an IPS panel is worth another drive

[wheat plume]

It's in the country already so not much

Wait NVM
VAT for my computer parts was like €150

.-.

[crisp granite]

as a percentage

would be better

[wheat plume]

Oh
Not too sure

Hmmmmm

[crisp granite]

a small hard drive was what I was thinking, but ok

a 1 tb hard drive should cost about 30-50 Euros?

[wheat plume]

It's not going to be easy to use the hard drive bay
All the extra cables from my psu are stuffed into it

:')

[crisp granite]

ah

more storage

or pretty colours?

your choice

[wheat plume]

I want more storage but I don't need it yet

[crisp granite]

then get the panel

[wheat plume]

All the games I play I already have installed

Yeah
... I might

[crisp granite]

that 44 euros could come in handy buying that ssd in a few months

but a tn panel sucks big time compared to an ips

honestly

both are great options

[wheat plume]

Two of these is expensive
Get this and the TN as my secondary

[crisp granite]

smert

actually

following the rules of dual monitor gang

one nice panel, one shit cheap one

[wheat plume]

Xddd

[slate shore]

I can't do anything but agree with him on that

[wheat plume]

I'm not looking forwards to when I need to move all this shit from the student accommodate and to my house :/

And back again next semester

Im nervous having technology in my car while driving on narrow bumpy roads

[slate shore]

Oof. Car has bad suspension?

[wheat plume]

I'll be paranoid and recheck that the GPU is still in place once I get back

No...
No matter how good the suspension is, it can't do much against these roads

[slate shore]

Lol

[wheat plume]

The potholes haven't been fixed in like 3 years

[slate shore]

Could try cushioning it

Get pillows and maybe foam

[wheat plume]

I'll wrap it many times in bedsheets and whatnot

[crisp granite]

get some of that SI growing foam

[wheat plume]

Same with the monitors

[wheat plume]

HAH

[crisp granite]

actually

it works like a charm

[slate shore]

Like a charm

Weirdass saying ngl

[crisp granite]

better than a mobo with a sheared pci e slot

[wheat plume]

I may just cushion it with a crap load of sheets and blankets

And try to keep it upright

[crisp granite]

fill the tower with foam

[wheat plume]

Eh???

[crisp granite]

that magic foam

that I was talking about

that most prebuilts are shipped with

[wheat plume]

Foam you put inside the case..... Wow

[crisp granite]

yup

[slate shore]

Where can you buy that shit?

[crisp granite]

stick up iBuyPower

honestly, idk

look around

I provide ideas, not strategies to implement them

[wheat plume]

Took me so much time to try to get everything into the car securely on the way here and I didn't even have my computer with me that time

All the other stuff though

[crisp granite]

fill the pc with bedsheets and pillows?

[wheat plume]

Static no?

[crisp granite]

line the components with antistatic bags as well?

disassemble the pc?

[slate shore]

I'd go with you in the car and hold on to your PC like it was a baby

But uh, there's an Atlantic unfortunately

[crisp granite]

I can tag along as well

provided we stop for chicken nuggees every 5 km

jk

[wheat plume]

:pp

[crisp granite]

granted

same issue as @slate shore

literally on the other side of the bloody ocean

[wheat plume]

My friend has the his computer in the same case as mine
And he's brought it in the car many times

[slate shore]

@crisp granite Your desire for chicken nuggees makes you dead weight

[crisp granite]

one last idea

[slate shore]

You're not coming

[wheat plume]

LEL

Chicken tendies

[crisp granite]

hear me out

[wheat plume]

Ook

[slate shore]

I want chicken nuggees for us but he'll just eat them all

Lmao

[crisp granite]

we support all the pc components with this: https://www.amazon.ca/Neon-Pink-Funky-Flamingo-1-88-Inch-15/dp/B002TOL3ZQ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=hot+pink+duct+tape&qid=1605933410&sr=8-1

cuz who doesn't like pink duct tape?

[slate shore]

Sounds like a bad idea ngl

[crisp granite]

an idea none the less

besides

[wheat plume]

Ah yes!
And when we pull the tape off, it'll clean some of the dust that's on the components

[crisp granite]

all my other ones were shot down

[slate shore]

It'll clean the component boards too!

How nice of it

No more gross metal bits, just nice green plastic sheet...

[crisp granite]

anyway

I got a question

anyone here got experience with MSI GPU software?

[slate shore]

I might but I wouldn't know wether or not I do

[crisp granite]

I bought one of these: https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_559&item_id=183210, and I really want to know that the software isn't total dog shit

@reef patrol , I summon thee

provide wisdom

[wheat plume]

That costs almost as much as my entire computer

[crisp granite]

it's in CAD

still a lot

[slate shore]

Canadian dollars aren't worth as much as Euros, I don't think

[wheat plume]

Ooohh

[slate shore]

Yee

[crisp granite]

thing is

[slate shore]

Idk the relationship between American and Canook dollars though

[crisp granite]

about the same

I actually got a 3070

[slate shore]

Roughly but there's no way they match up fully

[crisp granite]

yes

"about the same"

[wheat plume]

Tab groups are handy af

[crisp granite]

alrighty

[slate shore]

Freaky

[crisp granite]

I'm gonna go to sleep and dream happy thoughts of maxing out cyberpunk with rt

gn y'all

also

my city starts lockdown round 2 soon

yay

[slate shore]

My school shut down again today

[crisp granite]

nice

it's becoming a part of life

we're all used to it now

my school has closed no less than 3 times in 2 months

[slate shore]

They were promising to take us back irl in September but it was pushed to November, then right before we were gonna come back a department of health yelled at them not to take us and they cancelled it, but they turned around shortly after and took us back into school irl this week
But now that the week's over they've cancelled irl school until January

It's a mess

[crisp granite]

damn

so you show up ready to be there for months

and leave the following week

[slate shore]

They'll try taking us back in sometime in December and fail again I'm sure

[crisp granite]

yup

[slate shore]

They're always looking for opportunities to rope us back in, until the state gives them a yelling at to back off.

[crisp granite]

what state is this

[slate shore]

The united states

[crisp granite]

that actually fights covid spread?

[wheat plume]

We are in level 5 lockdown but two of our lectures only hold class in the college and refused everytime to move online

They want to give the exams in college too

[crisp granite]

the us is a mixed bag

bruh

actually?

[slate shore]

Sometimes you have to know you won't succeed

LMFAO

[crisp granite]

some people just don't know when to admit defeat

[wheat plume]

I'm not allowed to go home due to lockdown
But this lecture wants us all to go into the college for her class -.-

No one does

Her class are pointless anyway

We know that shit already

[slate shore]

@crisp granite Oh no I meant the teachers know they can't use a computer

[crisp granite]

oh

[slate shore]

Lol

[crisp granite]

I fired a shot at your soon to be excommunicated president

[slate shore]

Wait

[crisp granite]

yup

[wheat plume]

This is the lecture that no longer knows how to use Windows 10 if the taskbar isn't at the bottom of the screen

[slate shore]

HA

[crisp granite]

um

how is it that someone who was born in the 50's can use a computer better than them?

bit of a bruh moment

[wheat plume]

Cause this bitch is old af

She's probably close to 70 at this point

[slate shore]

She can't be older than Queen Elizabeth though

[wheat plume]

True xd

[crisp granite]

queenie is long lived

did some great things

can't say the same for the current pm

[slate shore]

Of Britain or Canada?

[crisp granite]

BNA

British North America

[wheat plume]

Uh

[crisp granite]

quebec and the 13 colonies

as well as acadia, newfoundland, nova scotia

wait

Right

you guys rebeled

@slate shore Canada, I guess

[slate shore]

We're better off without them

You might also have been better off joining us in the War of 1812 but that's another matter

[crisp granite]

wait

the war of 1812 was a straight up invasion of BNA

how do your textbooks paint that picture?

[slate shore]

BNA
You say it like this is a real country that existed

[crisp granite]

it really did

it was a group of colonies

[slate shore]

But anyway.

[crisp granite]

you must be typing a whole essay, my dude

aboot canada being evil and shite

[crisp granite]

if you mean quebec by that, so true

they tried to leave twice

and failed both times

big time

[slate shore]

The invasion of Canookland basically went like
"The Brits are being assholes as to be expected of Brits. What can we get to rebel easily to get back at them for being assholes?"
"Canada?"
"Oh yeah Canada that's probably important to the Brits"
(The whole army marches up to Canada)
"Yo want some freedom you're better off with us"
"Nah mate fack off bruv ya bloody bahbaians"
"What a bunch of sore losers these people are. Nevermind."
(Meanwhile the Brits are burning down the fucking White House)

[crisp granite]

burning and sacking of york

burning the white house was fair game after that

[slate shore]

York?

[crisp granite]

you may know it as toronto today

[slate shore]

Oh, the one American in the Revolution who went to Viking England

Nevermind

[crisp granite]

major settlement from the start

you notice how the americans instigated that conflict by invading British land?

[slate shore]

Meh. Some crummy proto-Toronto isn't as heinous as Washington frucking DC, I would say

[crisp granite]

they even sent letters to quebec

and they said no

how do you stand so low that even quebec says no?

I still don't know

[slate shore]

The more important part of how the war of 1812 started was the British navy killing Americans at sea and basically enslaving them, cutting off our trade to other countries, continuing to have a standing British army on our territory.

[crisp granite]

the brits did the being assholes thing with everyone

even their own

remember scotland

[slate shore]

Oh yeah

Doesn't mean they don't deserve a war for pulling stuff like that

[crisp granite]

if by their own turf, you mean a major garrison at york and halifax, then yes

2 forts in british territory

also

yes they did do that

and that was totally uncool

but you have to admit

[slate shore]

Yeah you shouldn't stop deleting

We're in fricking tech talk

Lmao

[crisp granite]

there were very few cool heads on both sides at the time

that's the jist of it really

shall we move this to #🐸│memes ?

[slate shore]

Nah let's just end it off on that

[crisp granite]

lack of cool heads

[slate shore]

Britbongs are assholes

[crisp granite]

too many powdered wigs

on both sides

trapping all that heat

[vagrant marsh]

well, china claiming its corona free, appearently its still not at full capacity

freaking bonkers ya know. it used to be we needed a world war to keep the world from running properly. now its a simple virus

[thick elk]

console launches always were like that for the most part.
Or at least very popular ones. I know it took 2 months or so for the Wii to be generally in stock.

In general the number of people buying pc components / consoles has also increased which is too much for the supply chain to handle at once

In case of at least nvidia's 3000 series there is also the matter of them releasing the cards way too soon

[vagrant marsh]

because of AMD

they wanted to show first they are leading

[halcyon moss]

lack of supplies has always been an issue with consoles.. but ive not really seen it with PC hardware

[vagrant marsh]

i noticed how the epic store still opens whenever i click on the X whenever it pops up with a new special. isnt that illegal?

[reef tundra]

Dont ask questions, just consume product and get excited for new product

[halcyon moss]

disable startup on boot, and disable it's hide in tray option

(hide in tray SHOULD DIIIIEEEE)

[reef patrol]

Never.

Tray supreme.

[reef tundra]

Tray begone

[cursive summit]

Tray's great

Though too many apps tend to love tray

[reef tundra]

Heratics

[cursive summit]

I keep it at most 2x3

6 apps

3x3 is already triggering me

[reef tundra]

ew

[cursive summit]

Turn off DC and it's already 2x3 😄

Which is fine by me

[reef tundra]

Most are useless

keybinds are the wea

[cursive summit]

I hate keybinds

Cause I can't remember them

[reef tundra]

Then use them

[cursive summit]

Mate I have 1.100 hours in ArmA and I can't remember a single helicopter or plane keybind

I just use the menu to manually select everything

[reef tundra]

one keybind is a list of keybinds

[cursive summit]

Which is slow and painful af

But I can't remember keybinds so 😄

Actually, Minecraft is what gave me the hate for keybinds

Modded minecraft has at least 5 conflicting keybinds on the same button

[reef tundra]

you need the memory perk to continue

[cursive summit]

Sorry, alzheimers

The further we go, the worse it gets

[reef tundra]

disable the tau misforming perk to fix

[cursive summit]

Warframe hasn't released that update yet, but will try once we get there

[reef tundra]

Dont delay, repair the tau protein today

[cursive summit]

Sick rhymes bro

[reef tundra]

My beats are fly and they keep getting bigger thats because Jesus Christ is my Ni🅱🅱a

[cursive summit]

Oh god

[reef tundra]

No Jesus

[cursive summit]

You a black pastor?

[reef tundra]

I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end

[vagrant marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMtqao-JV8k

appearently xiaomi is now serializing parts...

[reef patrol]

If Apple can get away with it...

[neat oriole]

I mean they started out as cheap iPhone clones

Only about time they started copying other “features”

[reef tundra]

non-features

[thick elk]

Kind of sad to see them do that, not being able to replace the screen for me is a pretty serious consideration not to buy the device.

[vagrant marsh]

well, an easy fix for that problem is to simply not drop your phone

[pale sigil]

XD

I'd just get a new phone at thst point

£250 phone £60 repair

Nah

Cba

I've never smashed a phone

My iPhone 6 blew up on me though

[urban lynx]

i just hate that phones are outdated and discontinued so fast

[vagrant marsh]

yea, if you got the latest samsung or iphone i can consider repair being an option, but not for a cheap one like a poco

[pale sigil]

Lol Samsung repair is a joke

They replaced my screen as they broke it just trying to fix the charger port

[urban lynx]

1 year after i bought mine, i wanted to get replacement stuff, or even just the same as a replacement, it was already discontinued, rose near 50% in price as new, and a new gen got released by samsung,.

[pale sigil]

No one around me were willing to fix Samsung phones

Software support and hardware pricing

[urban lynx]

read my second message, y'all way too fast

[pale sigil]

Personally it's every 4 years for me and j won't spend much anymore

Last time I got a flagship was in 2011

And contract

[urban lynx]

unless you accidentally drop it 15cm because you kneel down to get to the lower shelves while grocery shopping, and suddenly your screen slowly dies to some purple void eating away the screen.

honestly i wished i wouldnt have to need a stupid smartphone in the first place.
i hate these things.

[pale sigil]

Since then I've leached an iPhone 5, a iPhone 6 I bought for fuck all, a Samsung S7 for 2 or so years however I replaced thst with my m9t because the battery was fucked and no one would replace it for me and I failed

Sounding very boomer there Sarah

[urban lynx]

stuff like two factor authentification
stupid shit like message apps. like dumb whatsapp.
even so far as receiving my emails for work, because I'm not getting my own computer. for over a year now.

[vagrant marsh]

and phones hardly are outdated by the time a new one comes out. sure, its slower cause the newer has better hardware, but its not outdated. its still usable fine.

[pale sigil]

This has changed the last 2 years

Since phones are getting cheaper

[urban lynx]

you think they'll provide me with a workphone?
when they cant even provide me with a computer for my desk???

i'd need a computer before a phone tbh.
just alone for the SAP

[pale sigil]

My cousin was in uni not using a smart phone

This happened xD

In lecture

Poor girl

[urban lynx]

thing is. they dont expect me to use my phone.
they just expect me to read them.

[pale sigil]

She was probably wrecked

I knew a guy in my class who used a Nokia

Decent guy but a bit loony

[reef tundra]

The loony with the nokia

[urban lynx]

have a friend who doesnt have a smartphone either

i mean, if i wouldnt use one, I'd not be in contact with anyone anymore. and that'd suck even more

dont get me wrong.
i really enjoy the possibility of a powerful, mobile computer you can use for stuff and is universal

[vagrant marsh]

@digital cliff i think that is contractual dependant, not law

[urban lynx]

it's just...
the expectation of constantly being in reach, the whole industry behind it, constantly changing it, making this or that different. it gets on my nerves.
the support is so terrible

also honestly fuck everyone thinking everyone needs to be reachable instantly, and respond instantly.

really fuck those.

[vagrant marsh]

thats why i stepped out of the whatsapp corona group of where i work at. they started using it for boomer memes

[urban lynx]

urgh. whatsapp groups.

fuck those.

[vagrant marsh]

so fine, they dont use it for corona related business news. fine by me, means i dont have to check it

[urban lynx]

when i was still to school, the trend started. had this group for important stuff.
started getting used for so much different things.
and yes, maybe it's my autism, but i was really bothered they used it for "differen" purposes than initially claimed.

but also other stuff happened, like creating a "group +" where they left out some of those they didnt like. and then even a "group + +" because once again, some got left out of that one because those fell out of grave either.
and yes. i left the "OG" group, after i learned there was this "group +"

didnt matter that i actually opened up the group anyway

if any one wants something from me, contact me directly. and dont expect me to answer within a minute, or two. or five. or 60. or however many minutes there are in a day.

[vagrant marsh]

60 x 24 = 1440

🙃

[cursive summit]

What the fuck is this Nokia racism?

[urban lynx]

same with some friends wanting to do something "spontaneous" often meaning "within the next half hour"
i hate that.
i'm autistic.
i planned my entire day the second i go to bed the day before.

and I'm really tame in that regard.
there are some who cant stand change that happens to within a week or something.

[cursive summit]

Nokia made good shit back in the day

They still do

When I got mine, it was really well priced, borderline flagship

Nokia's latest "flagships" are really eclipsed by anything Samsung

[vagrant marsh]

nokia has sold its soul to china

its not good shit anymore

its good enough to not break within 2 years shit

[urban lynx]

my friends simply need to ask a day ahead.
then i can make myself ready, and not decide the morning i wake up that i "will not get dressed and nice and not want to go outside"

[cursive summit]

Which makes sense cause mine broke after 2 years

[reef tundra]

Donald calm down

[vagrant marsh]

somewhere in japan, a nokia survived hiroshima!!!!

[cursive summit]

3310's still live on to this day though

Now that was an unkillable phone

And it wasn't half bad to begin with

[vagrant marsh]

@urban lynx you usually dont get dressed if you got nothing planned?

ohh, kinky

[cursive summit]

Calm your dick Einstein

Nothing kinky about walking around your house naked

[vagrant marsh]

i cant. its still horny maximum november

[cursive summit]

Oof

@vagrant marsh Oppo X 2021

[urban lynx]

maybe i'm just really frustrated that i cant keep my phone for more than a year without the hardware being too old, the software "too outdated" and the camera "too pixelated".
while repairs become near impossible just like 3 months after purchase.
it fucking sucks.

phones will break. they are an everyday used item, that is mobile, carried around EVERYWHERE and used in a lot of cases.
anyone expecting a heavy used daily item to not be damaged is a little naive. or doesnt really use it.

[cursive summit]

Buy or not?

[urban lynx]

yes. if i'm not planning to go outside i usually dont bother getting dressed, and stay in my nightgown all day.

it's comfy, okay?

and warm

[vagrant marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyfabK-BsTk

looks like a tablet

[cursive summit]

I can sympathise with that sentiment Saki

[vagrant marsh]

hold on a freaking minute there. does it stretch the screen?

[cursive summit]

Yes

It's rollable

Or enstretchable

Which is literally a better take on the "fold" thing

@urban lynx Just don't be naked and sit on your gaming chair

[vagrant marsh]

yea but...

you dont buy a smartphone to have a tablet

[cursive summit]

Body parts tend to stick and unstick very painfully..

[vagrant marsh]

[cursive summit]

@vagrant marsh But I do

Versatility

That's actually quite awesome to be able to just stretch your phone like that

[vagrant marsh]

its a tablet with smartphone specs. you cant put tablet sized hardware in something thats supposed to be the size of a phone. which means that if you use the bigger screen, it will only weight heavier on the battery

[cursive summit]

Carry it around in pocket on small size, and if you are watching YT or some shit, stretch it to 7.4"

Dunno battery isn't usually a concern for me

[urban lynx]

gaming chair?

[reef tundra]

Chair to game on

[cursive summit]

Or an ikea wooden stool, whatever you are using

[urban lynx]

idk, using some cheap chair that is dissolving anyway. made with cloth or something

i need a new chair tbh

but all "quality" i ever get recommended is these "sportscar" chairs.

[vagrant marsh]

cause good chairs are costing monies

[cursive summit]

Just don't sit on it butt naked, the skin sticking to the chair thing is really damn painful

@vagrant marsh Wtf I just got a decent chair 80$

[vagrant marsh]

i did say good, not decent

[cursive summit]

Who needs good if you can buy something cheap that works well?

[vagrant marsh]

crooked back, thats who

[cursive summit]

Dunno the first "gaming" office chair I bought netted me 100$

This thing loves swirling to the point I am scared for my life

It's comfy af I am just really conscious about falling

[reef tundra]

Disable gravity

[cursive summit]

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/loot-boxes-in-video-games-call-for-evidence?closing-11:59pm-22-November-2020

[vagrant marsh]

look vex, we humans. our parents even got the ability to live on for 80 years. the average life expectancy during the 1900's was only 53. now ofcourse, we work and live alot safer now. we dont go check a fault in the machine by physically going into the machine and then accidentally press a button that makes it work again. we also know not to drink out of lead pipes. but our parents can now live for 80 years+. imagine us. we are the new generation. we can easily get 90, or 100.

you want to live comfortably in your end years

and not have a crooked back because in your younger years, you sat on a gaming chair

[cursive summit]

But the guy my PE lecturer showed on youtube told my rocking on a chair is good shit

Who do I trust

[vagrant marsh]

all you need to do in life, is trust me. i will be your guide to a happy and lazy life

[cursive summit]

Chinese sympathizer or a good for nothing coach

[reef tundra]

You trust the certainty of taxation

[cursive summit]

I actually avoid a fair bit of taxes I think

[reef tundra]

Evidence sent to fbi

[cursive summit]

Which is actually subconscious, cause I've got no clue what exactly is that I am buying actually taxable

[reef tundra]

we got em

[cursive summit]

Dunno no one ever told me what exactly is taxable

And I don't really care to read about it so, happy go lucky

[vagrant marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-fbi-open-up-raid-gif-13450966

i wish sperm donation was still lucrative

u dont get paid in the netherlands for doing that 😦

[cursive summit]

😦

[vagrant marsh]

box only

wtf

[reef patrol]

The new scams.

[cursive summit]

Tfw the box you got from Microsoft pays for the whole purchase and gives you money

[fickle ore]

@zenith sonnet shit yeah you're actually right, I had interpreted that wrong. 6800 and xt is the superior card for 1080p and 1440p gaming. Apparently Nvidia has decreased the amount of some components that increase performance at lower reso and made ampere a 4k+ reso architecture by doubling FP32?

Soo for competitive gaming I think I'll go with RDNA 2 🙂

[cursive summit]

Damn so no RDNA2 for me then

Looking for 4K gaming

Might need to wait until early next year, for their 3080Ti

[zenith sonnet]

@vagrant marsh When looking at 'life expectancy charts', always, always make sure it only includes people who had already reached adulthood. The one major reason our life expectancy is so high nowadays is, that not 50% of infants die during the 5 years of their life
Saying people only lived to an average of 30 in the middle ages means nothing when over 50% of them died during infancy

@cursive summit
What Dag said does not mean the RDNA2 cards are bad at 4K gaming.
The 6800 XT matches the 3080 at 4K, but often beats the 3090 at lower resolutions

[fickle ore]

@cursive summit Read this and the replies. The OP and title is wrong and xeanoa got it right. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jxmhgc/6800xt_falls_off_the_cliff_at_4k_1080p_1440p_are/

but the replies are revealing

[cursive summit]

Yeah I get it that's why I'm waiting for 3080Ti

By then the full set of RDNA2 high ends and prolly also their new tech will be out

[zenith sonnet]

The real fight will be 3080 Ti vs 6900 XT

[cursive summit]

So I'll see whether AMD's cards have good stock, if the AMD supersampler works well vs DLSS

Etc

[zenith sonnet]

6900 XT is supposed to match a 3090 at 4K

[cursive summit]

I don't really have the cash for 6900XT, but if I really needed it I'd prolly take it on a loan

[zenith sonnet]

3080 Ti will not be cheaper than a 6900 XT

[fickle ore]

I dont think I want 4k just yet. I'm not sure what DP 2.1 is capable of? I want atleast 240hz, but optimally 360hz

1440p is enough prob

[cursive summit]

Is there a single card that can 240 Hz let alone 360 in regular games?

[zenith sonnet]

I'll stick to QHD until we get good, high refresh 4K monitors

[cursive summit]

And I'm not going for a 3080TI either

[zenith sonnet]

@cursive summit 6800

[cursive summit]

Just want to see whether the price war will intensify

Nah I'm thinking of the XT actually

[zenith sonnet]

For high refresh gaming at FHD, 6800 is king by a long margin

[cursive summit]

There isn't much reason to get 6800 when for what, 70$ you get a better card

[zenith sonnet]

True

[cursive summit]

I just want to get into 4K 😄

[reef patrol]

With no stock, you kind of grab what you can xD

[zenith sonnet]

Or you wait a little

You won't die of agony waiting a month for a new GPU

[fickle ore]

TBH, 6700/xt might be the ideal high refresh rate card

[zenith sonnet]

Plus, there's also going to be 6700 series soon

[fickle ore]

for me

ye

[cursive summit]

There are no plans for 6700 series, according to AMD

It'll be Navi 22, but no cards have been leaked yet

I don't recall anything Navi 22 related

[ashen spindle]

???????

they have been leaked and known for months

[cursive summit]

Navi 22?

[ashen spindle]

yes

[cursive summit]

Ahh, brand new info AMD has recently told board partners that the Navi 22 GPU will launch a bit sooner than previously planned. The manufacturer is currently expected to bring Radeon RX 6700 series in January 2021.

I just don't recall Navi 22 benches existing

[vagrant marsh]

what

WHAT

NO

not sooner!

ur supposed to launch later to have more stock!!

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-series-to-feature-navi-22-gpu-and-up-to-12gb-gddr6-memory

[vagrant marsh]

NO

JUST STAWHP

[ashen spindle]

ofc we dont have benches yet

but those skus have still been known for months

[cursive summit]

They have yes

I was talking performance

Navi 21 had a few perf leaks here and there

I just couldn't quite remember any 22's

Navi 23 is also a thing, that's what, 6500 replacement?

[ashen spindle]

we also dont have performance leaks of navi23 yet

bc it all depends where they want to put them with how many CU's and what powerdraw

[cursive summit]

Wouldn't Navi 23 be somewhat related to the console RDNA2 chips?

[ashen spindle]

not more or less than 22 or 21

[cursive summit]

Could 23 be the integrated into CPUs one?

[ashen spindle]

no

[cursive summit]

There is a particular family of Ryzen APU's with RDNA coming

[ashen spindle]

thats not how that logic works

[cursive summit]

So 23 is exclusively a discrete chip

[ashen spindle]

think of it as the same as nvidia calls it with GA102/ga104 etc.

[cursive summit]

Roger

So, any clues what Navi 23 will be for?

[ashen spindle]

[crimson wigeon]

Cheapo cards

[cursive summit]

How cheap are we talking though

[crimson wigeon]

Threefiddy

[cursive summit]

350 sounds Navi 22 tbh

If 6700XT is still Navi 21

[ashen spindle]

its just like X
ah I understand
so what is it
....

[cursive summit]

That wasn't the question though

To reword it, what demographic will it be aimed at?

[ashen spindle]

the one below what N22 can target

[cursive summit]

About as accurate as I would expect the answer to be

[ashen spindle]

without a way to look in the feature nobody can tell you more

[fickle ore]

navi 23 and gtx 3050 are for casual gamers

[cursive summit]

Will we see a sub-200$ card next year is what I'm concerned about

And what perf it would offer

[ashen spindle]

lol no of course not

[cursive summit]

Kay I fucked that one

Next year

[ashen spindle]

yes

[cursive summit]

GTX 1080 perf for 200$ is prolly too hopeful right? 😄

[fickle ore]

tbh I havent yet understood who buys 800€ graphics cards cuz I consider myself pretty hardcore but would never buy them

[cursive summit]

I know someone who is waiting for 1080-level cards for 200$

[ashen spindle]

I have a 3440x1440p screen and would like to enjoy my games at that resolution, that hard to understand?

[fickle ore]

That part is quite easy, but the part where one justifies a single pci-e addon card for 800€

Then again it's still very little if it lasts you 5+ years

[cursive summit]

No one is justifying it just like no one wants to pay extra for a phone

[fickle ore]

money/hour is very low

[cursive summit]

But if you need a card, what else would you do?

[ashen spindle]

well, there is nothing else that can do it for cheaper

[cursive summit]

You can try making your own GPU, there have been people who did it

But it'll be shit

You either pay for AMD/Nvidia or even Intel for their offerings, or just don't game at all

That's how capitalism works

[warped dove]

Just holler at me when there's a new 5700XT competitor without any ray tracing bullshit wasting the silicon

[cursive summit]

Unless cards become outrageously expensive for the cheapest option, silicon companies prolly won't do shit

You can "vote with your wallet by not buying it", but there will always be whales

[ashen spindle]

it's called 6700XT probably

[cursive summit]

6700XT sounds like a 449$ card

Which kinda falls in line with 5700XT

[fickle ore]

6700xt at 449$ would be a mistake imo

but so is 6800 pricing

[cursive summit]

6700XT is Navi 21, so they might push it to 499

[warped dove]

I'm pretty sure the current overprice stuff will fall in price, they can price so insanely high because availability is so tight. Basically if you have a smaller wallet you couldn't even get one if you tried so you're irrelevant. But nvidia and AMD are just justifying their insane prices for eachother at this point.

[cursive summit]

Dunno the pricing in general this generation of PC parts is weird

[ashen spindle]

I more meant, unlike nvidia, the RTRT implementation uses barely any space on the silicon, so it makes not difference there

[cursive summit]

I feel like there's way too much of hype value that AMD/Nvidia are capitalizing on

[warped dove]

But if you are a sillymoneyman who's also impatient, you can be charged anything that they can get away with. We say it "last generation"

[cursive summit]

I mean look at Callum, he could get maybe a 2080 or something

He's just trying to pay more for a 3000 series

Dunno to me it looks like embellishment value

Talk sweet to a customer and they will shell out more than they really want to spend

Which is basically what happened with RTX 2000 series

[warped dove]

Compared to a car or house or having a kid it's not much money either way. The trick is that we've been convinced that those framerates are one of those premium things like a nice car

[cursive summit]

Sold out in seconds or something

[ashen spindle]

sure, but it's not like amd/nvidia can decide those prices on their own

[warped dove]

He'll pay because the 2000x generation was such bad value already so why wouldn't he get the better product for only the price of 1/30th of a car

[cursive summit]

2000 series fell in price quite a bit

Dunno by now they are decent value I'd say

[ashen spindle]

one big reason why there is so little supply of 6800xT is that they can make much more profit on selling a zen3 cpu, because RDNA2 is not going to make nearly as much

[cursive summit]

Especially at current 3000 series prices

[warped dove]

tell me more(?)

[ashen spindle]

wafer costs are something you can't really change

[cursive summit]

Wasn't there a TSMC wafer sheet leak that showed that wafer costs are decreasing?

[ashen spindle]

and if you make bigger chips, the wafer stays the same so you get less chips per wafer, so it costs more

yeah for older gens, ofc over time it gets cheaper

but 7nm wafter cost a lot more than 12nm

[warped dove]

I assume you mean R&D costs since wafer is just refined silicon that costs cents per kilo

and a bit of rare metal

[cursive summit]

Ah it was the opposite actually

[ashen spindle]

wafer cost as in how much they need to pay the foundry to get 1 wafer that they can use however

[cursive summit]

This thing

[ashen spindle]

yes thats an estimate by someone, absolutely nothing close to official

[cursive summit]

But it does a certain degree of truth in it doesn't it?

[ashen spindle]

but yes, compare those prices for 12nm vs 7nm just for sake of example

tripple the price, and that assumes you stay at the same chip size

bigger chip = even higher cost

[cursive summit]

Though Ampere is on 8nm moving onto from 12nm, and they are selling them even cheaper

With a whole lot more, what do they call it, cores?

[ashen spindle]

no, ampere is on Samsung, you cant compare samsung with tsmc

this is a list purely for tsmc, and again, estimates from one guy

[cursive summit]

Still 8nm as a process must cost a whole lot more than something more mature like 12nm

[ashen spindle]

no because 8nm is basically 10nm

[cursive summit]

Nvidia went with 8nm, double of the computational cores, forgot what they are called, and GDDR6X, and sold cards cheaper than their previous gen versions

So unless 2000 series was ridiculously overpriced.. 😄

[ashen spindle]

cores count is irrelevant to price

[cursive summit]

How can you put more material without increasing the price?

[ashen spindle]

dimension matters, if you put 5 cores of 5 billion cores there changes nothing

[warped dove]

"nm" between companies doesn't mean much btw and doesn't represent anything physical. It's basically a codename and indication of generational density improvements or lack thereof

[ashen spindle]

you pay for the wafer, not for what you do with it

[warped dove]

hmm where did i see profit margins for nvidia chips in the 2000 series generation lemme find it...

suffice it say, it's high. Somewhere over 50% and under 100

[ashen spindle]

well yeah, nvidia as a company has been operating with a gross margin of like 50-58% for the last years

[warped dove]

shrug maybe they deserve it

[cursive summit]

They do put a lot of it to R&D it seems

Well good on them, maybe charging extra isn't that bad of a thing

[warped dove]

or maybe AMD should undercut them more now that AMD actually has arguably better products and force nvidia down, but amd won't do that because they can reach 50-100% too soon if we keep eating butt

[cursive summit]

Kind of interested where Nvidia's tech will head with ARM

[warped dove]

^ As a British this concerns me greatly

[cursive summit]

I feel like integrating Nvidia's GPU solutions within ARM could probably lead to great yields

Unless that's impossible

[ashen spindle]

yields of what

[warped dove]

Softbank were total failures in managing the ARM asset but demand kept ARM relevant

[cursive summit]

Graphical yields

Tegra is quite decent

[ashen spindle]

what

softbank itself is a failure that just got lucky

[warped dove]

But ARM is yet to explode, softbank just thought it would happen sooner and gave up too soon. ARM is gonna make nvidia insane money and ARM itself is not gonna see the benefits it deserve

[cursive summit]

As in a small but powerful SoC that can handle computationally demanding software like games based on ARM

Nvidia's Tegra is already not half bad

[ashen spindle]

ok you seem to be missing the point, they could already do all that

they are not getting new ISA they didnt have before

this is not x86/64 where you dont have access to the stuff

[zenith sonnet]

Maybe a better figure than price per GPU would be price per TFLOP to compare generations

[pale sigil]

I just want wallet size computers haha

Haha that's good and powerful

[warped dove]

Why

[pale sigil]

Wayy far out yet

[cursive summit]

But those exist already

And he's being ironic

[pale sigil]

I mean proper powerful

[warped dove]

"what's a computer"

[cursive summit]

Wait for Van Gogh

[ashen spindle]

VG is zen2, who wants to wait for that :p

[warped dove]

interesting Xeanoa. Here come fixed function horseshit like raytracing to ruin your day though

[cursive summit]

Zen 2 with Navi though

I kinda want to see where Navi will fall in line against Iris Xe

I really dig Iris Xe, and we haven't seen the best of that one yet

So Navi will just accelerate Intel's innovation in iGPUs 😄 hopefully

[zenith sonnet]

Tbh, I think AMD is at this point just waiting

[warped dove]

Don't rush intel, they'll fall over stall progress and crash their company

[zenith sonnet]

They're hardly doing anything on the APU front

[cursive summit]

They'll prolly do something like updating their logo oh wait..

Intel what were you thinking

[zenith sonnet]

But we know they could, see consoles