I'm reusing a 950 Pro and a 6TB WD red
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
checked the smart data to see anything below a threshold perhaps?
zenith sonnet
Yeah, they're good
I'm thinking maybe power supply?
But that'd be odd, too
Could be something from Windows Update?
Afaik the issues started some time after I did a few updates and installed Adrenalin 20.4.2 end of April
Switched to the 20.Q2 drivers to rule out the GPU drivers
ashen spindle
I guess psu could cause it just like windows or drivers could
you have a VII and some people have had some issues since launch, maybe you got a similar issues from newer updates?
the card isnt out in high quantity so stuff like this could be rarer to reproduce and thus more likely to slip through
solemn needle
so check your BIOS settings. RAM maybe or it's the PSU
fickle ore
sounds like a RAM/BIOS/Mobo issue
zenith sonnet
Iunno
I ran HCI to some obscene number like 16000% without issues
fair gull
bois i have a pc wont boot
tried different gpus no image
if i take out the ram it beeps
hoary dock
tried different gpus no image
@fair gull ded pcie slot?
fair gull
tried both
hoary dock
ded pcie slots? 🙃
ashen spindle
is it an cpu with video output so you can debug with that?
fair gull
no onboard video
and i actually am suspicious if cpu/bios now
cause i cant even turn it off without holding pwr button
sadly no pci slot so i cant read the post codes either
wait there is one pci slot
05
as descriptive as it could ever be
zenith sonnet
Unf
Memory hitting 60°C right now when stresstesting
That went up a bit...
Where are my NF-A12x25 chromax????
ashen spindle
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-heart-linux/ alreadt posted that when it happend, and yes, its great by them imo
wsl2 is good enough for one ubuntu kernel dev to work via wsl2 btw
fair gull
like this wont magically make linux shit and it wont magically make users switch from linux to windows
crimson wigeon
When will they let me mount and "boot" physical drives in WSL2 so I won't have to use HyperV anymore
ashen spindle
its just good for developers, which is a good thing
fair gull
ya
i mean rn i can already use wsl to test linux builds etc
which is dope
@crimson wigeon never prob
crimson wigeon
but why
fair gull
because ur cpu will not like literally havign 2 OSs running on it bombarding it
crimson wigeon
Except I'm literally already booting up my Linux from within Windows
fair gull
using software
crimson wigeon
All I want is to use WSL2 instaed so it's slightly more integrated
fair gull
that emulates a cpu
crimson wigeon
HyperV does not do that to my understanding
Hypervisor and all, it ain't QEMU
Literally all they need to let me do is assign physical drives to the WSL2 VM
Then I could just chroot in
fair gull
ok lets rephrase
you will not get anything without a hypervisor in terms of 2 oses
cause ur cpu doesnt have logical partitions like mainframes do
those could theoretically run 2 OSs at the same time from 2 harddrives
hyperv still uses a virtualized cpu
be it through VT-d
or whatever
crimson wigeon
Fine, but guess what WSL2... also uses HyperV!
crimson wigeon
So why don't they let me assign physical drives to it, the functionality is already there.... just arbitrarily restricted for reasons
fair gull
its not
they use a customized kernel
so u can actually access shit
like ur ntfs drives
linux is shit with windows partitions
crimson wigeon
That's the last thing I want to access
fair gull
so just do a vm then
why even use wsl at that point
what ure asking for is literally just a vm that uses an actual hdd instead of a file on an hdd
crimson wigeon
For the integration..
fair gull
at the time where u dont use the windows customized linux kernel in wsl/wsl2
its just linux
no dx12
no nothing
wsl only works this integrated way because it is so integrated to windows specifically
custom kernel, hyperv and all
crimson wigeon
And I would get to use the WSL kernel for this so that's cool, don't have to clobber my normal kernel with HV shit
fair gull
u wouldnt get to use the kernel tho
ashen spindle
the name is WSL because its a Windows Subsystem for Linux, that means you make linux run on top of windows things, not run a fully independent linux
fair gull
its either use WSL/WSL2 as it is
crimson wigeon
WSL2 is literally a full on VM in disguise
fair gull
or use a normal linux vm
its not
its super deeply integrated with ntos.dll
and the win kernel
crimson wigeon
WSL1 is fancy clever wine-like "emulation" stuff
fair gull
ah ok so the full vm in disguise is just able to instantly boot
i click debian
and it instantly runs
yes thats how i remember VMs to work
crimson wigeon
Suure..
fair gull
like WSL2 being what it is rn is the same reason internet explorer still ships
and that the explorer is also relying on ie
ngl windows is a clusterfuck of deeply intertwined services/dlls
but it works
wheat plume
ngl windows is a clusterfuck of deeply intertwined services/dlls
@fair gull and still running 80% of the code from windows xp
fair gull
ya but it works
ngl windows is a fuck ton larger than people assume
thats the source
i have respect for every SE working at M$ that they even take on working in a web of code thats not so neatly organized like the linux kernel is
ashen spindle
ye I've been stuck the entire day on some stupid loop issues in ffmpec
cant imagine a big project like windows
man that would be so hard
fair gull
like i wrote this game server in C right
even that was a pain
likee less than 200files
cant imagine 3.5mil
and then being told "ya just seperate it. i mean its already working right so its easy"
ashen spindle
im getting aneurisms at this code because its C moved to cpp
but all the variables are still named like shit because c proggers are usually still used to not use long names to save memory etc.
so I sit here trying to figure out what stuff means at first lmao
chrome estuary
so i know this is a few hours late but I'm already rocking the blacks on the W2. I have the issue that I type like I'm beating a child so I would rather have a heavier spring cause these feel too light already.
ashen spindle
well that would no longer be accurate, babies are squishy
wheat plume
uwu
fair gull
@chrome estuary ull have this problem again even with heavier springs
only real solution is to be really cautios about it for a few weeks
then it goes into muscle memory and u dont hit the keys as hard
my 250g springs didnt really help either
cause i just hit them harder and harder since i knew they had greater spring resistance
chrome estuary
Quintosh I didn't say babies. I said child.
@fair gull Yeah I guess but I'd still like a heavier spring
chrome estuary
aight
wheat plume
ooo this version of Plasma has a much much better OSD design <3 finally doesnt take up a massive amount of space
misty pier
minimal
wheat plume
I love it
it was huge and square before this update
well then :')
this is an issue with unstable builds I guess
empty wren
I just love how i just closed Mircosoft Edge and my whole computer shut off and turned back on.
crimson wigeon
you can never leave
wheat plume
o.O
empty wren
grrr microsoft
wheat plume
I should watch this on my ultrawide
misty pier
people still use edge huh
empty wren
oh i am using the chromium one
wheat plume
Still Edge
crimson wigeon
ChromiumEdge is apparently decent but eeehh I'd rather not have that absoulutely proprietary garbage
empty wren
edge is much faster than chrome
wheat plume
rlly?
empty wren
at least for me
misty pier
I use some browser that’s like based off chrome but not exactly chrome
empty wren
rlly?
give it a try sometime
hoary dock
Firefox Developer Edition ftw
misty pier
probably internet speeds and stuff you got on it can contribute to that
empty wren
I should watch this on my ultrawide
so much unused space
probably internet speeds and stuff you got on it can contribute to that
hmm maybe, my internet is 2MB/s though it have been getting to even 5 sometimes in recent time
Anybody know where I can pull out the log for why my computer thought it was hilarious to shut itself?
empty wren
any more information you could please give?
wheat plume
so much unused space
@empty wren there would be 0 unused space if I watched it on my 21:9
empty wren
oh interesting
misty pier
yeah it sucks watching 21:9 content on a 16:9 monitor
crimson wigeon
look at all that wasted space
misty pier
i wonder how visual studio code would look like on a vertical monitor
empty wren
still looks pretty unused, but question do you ever write code to the end
crimson wigeon
I meant in the video, look like half of it is just blank there
wheat plume
LEL
wheat plume
^^ XD
crimson wigeon
Ah yes I too like overly long lines 😄
crimson wigeon
wheat plume
ooooof
empty wren
hey kuri where should i look under in the event viewer like the system or what if i may ask?
misty pier
should be like something critical
usually something critical would force the system to shut off
misty pier
yeah, if you're not sure what it means then you could look up the event source and ID
helped me diagnose a power issue with my pc
empty wren
thanks
one of my father's coworkers complained how a guy did not comment the code before he left the job
so they had no idea what to do with it
wheat plume
LEL
ashen spindle
I've never seen so many this. in one line
wheat plume
wtf :') this class name
empty wren
damn it, that is reverse pyschology
wheat plume
Ive never seen so many this keywords in a single class before freaking hell
does yandere dev have a keyboard macro to type "this." for him?
ashen spindle
that looks shit
crimson wigeon
based on that first comment it may or may not be decompiled which makes any code look worse
ashen spindle
you can remove every single one of them
wheat plume
its decompiled
wheat plume
empty wren
Interesting maybe someone will bring Monika to life someday
wheat plume
wrong game but ok
empty wren
yeah that one is doki doki
wheat plume
best damn game
ashen spindle
review of decompiled code is a bit weird but ok
ashen spindle
?
wheat plume
why is there a function for each breast? XD
this.RightBreast
this.LeftBreast
hmmm, jiggle physics maybe :')
but this method isnt called 🤔
ashen spindle
no it is
wheat plume
0 references
ashen spindle
unity
wheat plume
ooohhh
empty wren
has this become big yet on youtube?(reviewing anime code)
wheat plume
ikd man
misty pier
🗿
ashen spindle
you can only really do it with unity games so its a bit hard to get content for it
empty wren
ah, in fact i have to see anything new built on unity in a while
ashen spindle
escape from tarkov
ashen spindle
cooking mama
ori and will of the wisps
kerbal space program
rik of rain
boneworks
pale sigil
I can accuracy say my computer, monitors etc costs me £250+ a year to run
wheat plume
oo
empty wren
may want to add a with after the can
wheat plume
The fact th is guy has software based rounded corners bothers me
and the edges of his panels get clipped off because of them
ashen spindle
??
misty pier
e i don't like rounded corners
wheat plume
misty pier
😔
misty pier
on computer everything looks better all rectangular
empty wren
yeah but they only make practical sense when you stretch the screen so far
ashen spindle
my monitor is a square why should I waste corner space
empty wren
exactly
crimson wigeon
aesthetics
wheat plume
:')
besides on phone you dont need the top corners often cause thats for the status bar and navbar
apps cant go there
just slide the status bar icons a little from the edge and you golden
empty wren
yeah that is what swayed to them too, because there is in fact a good chunk of unused space
wheat plume
true true but not on very little round corners
wheat plume
sounds like someone is taking a shower in the background of his video
misty pier
no noise isolation on the mic i guess
misty pier
just wrap foam around the mic smh
empty wren
or use software noise canceling
wheat plume
ooof
empty wren
discord has one too now
pale sigil
Not as good tho
empty wren
i just use voice mod for noise canceling, it allows granular control
wheat plume
misty pier
nice
wheat plume
nuzzles
empty wren
what is that
wheat plume
owo nuzzly wuzzly :')
misty pier
i have no idea if 75hz is good for a vertical monitor 
empty wren
what do you intend to use it for
misty pier
but it's also IPS so I don't have to worry about the viewing angles looking poopy
ashen spindle
while higher hz even is usefull there, I wouldnt worry too much about it for a vertical one
misty pier
just a secondary monitor to have code on
ashen spindle
have a 60hz one and its fine
empty wren
oh then yeah i agree with quintosh
ashen spindle
bc you see so much more you scroll less already
misty pier
gotcha
ashen spindle
if its like just 10 bucks more for higher hz get it, otherwise not I'd say
ashen spindle
make sure you can rotate it haha
crimson wigeon
More hertz is always better just note that if you're gonna watch videos on it it might look a bit stuttery
ashen spindle
huh
empty wren
i think he means the monitor could be also utilized for other purposes too
misty pier
shouldn't be too much of a difference
empty wren
hmm would an eink display be good for coding? since there is not much motion and it would save power
crimson wigeon
Probably, would also be nice on the eyes
misty pier
perhaps, I never really seen e-ink irl before though
ashen spindle
I work in Unity so e-ink makes no sense for me xD
empty wren
well for that yeah .-. but say you were just writing code like for java in Intelj idea
ashen spindle
yeah but them im writing java so I should be punished
empty wren
I only started learning it just this school year, why is there is such negative attitude toward it
wheat plume
java or idea?
empty wren
java
wheat plume
idk honestly
ashen spindle
it has its uses for applications, but imo its just a bad idea to use it for games or anything else, see minecraft performance etc.
also oracle sucks
empty wren
oh yeah i heard how it hurt minecraft
wheat plume
^^ Minecraft runs like crap compared to the C++ version
ashen spindle
has a lot of security issues so im glad I dont need it on my pc too
misty pier
feels bad that my college can't offer python courses to me
wheat plume
there is a reason java edition cant run on phones
ashen spindle
also c# is very similar but a bazillion times better
wheat plume
feels bad that my college can't offer python courses to me
@misty pier we had a python module in 1st year of college
But the lectuter kept going on and on about shit and we never got much done
reef patrol
I mean... It CAN.
wheat plume
and we had to use notepad and run it in terminal
reef patrol
And has been done.
ashen spindle
it cant run, it can try to crawl
ashen spindle
rip
but also lucky you haha
I hate using white space instead of ; etc.
I dont understand who thought making it important how I position my code should matter
misty pier
this year i learned html and css which is pretty straightforward at least
empty wren
yeah that is what annoys me about python too
wheat plume
I hate using white space instead of ; etc.
@ashen spindle Proper code layout is key :')
crimson wigeon
Also duck typing because you definitely don't want handy features like autocompletions to work nicely
wheat plume
at least its not like YAML, that shit cant handle tabs, you need to put 4 spaces instead
and indentation is VERY important in YAML
wheat plume
so much we spent so long getting shit to work and its because we were one space too far to the left
crimson wigeon
Yeah if you're monster using spaces to indent you pretty much have to rely on your editor to assist you with it
wheat plume
:')
misty pier
tab key best key
wheat plume
yass
ashen spindle
no if you are a monster you abuse the Mongolian vowel separator in older .net code
wheat plume
the what?
ashen spindle
mongolian vowel separator
wheat plume
idk wtf that is
empty wren
is it this
ashen spindle
basically it changed between what it is multiple times, thus different versions of unicode see it as something else
misty pier
🗿
wheat plume
o
ashen spindle
It was introduced in Unicode 3.0.0, when it was in the Cf category (“other, formatting”). Then in Unicode 4.0.0 it was moved into the Zs (separator, space) category. In Unicode 6.3.0 it was then moved back to the Cf category.
empty wren
wheat plume
:')
empty wren
did you do any projects with basic web langauges kuri?
misty pier
yeah
empty wren
what did you make
empty wren
oh like pc part picker?
misty pier
yeah similarly
empty wren
what was your last project
misty pier
that was my project i chosen to work on alongside the course project for the whole semester
empty wren
can i see the site? just out of curiousity
misty pier
whatever i did on the course project, i also carried it over to mines
no it's just a file haha
empty wren
oh okay
misty pier
yeah everything is just stored in html
pale sigil
I put my sites on github
empty wren
good idea
misty pier
this was how my instructor wanted everything to be organized and done so
empty wren
ah okay
crimson wigeon
All caps?
misty pier
yeah
crimson wigeon
What a monster
misty pier
they'll deduct me for anything i miss off so
might as well follow what is in the instructions
misty pier
this was also why i wanted a vertical monitor
it was not fun working on it with a horizontal monitor and also reading the e-book
empty wren
were you copying and pasting stuff out of the ebook?
misty pier
no i typed most of it out
some parts of it was stuff not related to code, so i copied that
empty wren
okay because at least in my school we were given a template but only because we had less than 5 months to make a project
misty pier
we just followed the book
empty wren
we had something similar but i can probably say it has less documentation than yours
misty pier
yeah probably
empty wren
did you take any other coding classes?
misty pier
mostly i learned how to program cisco switches and routers if that even counts as coding
empty wren
i believe that is networking right?
misty pier
yeah
empty wren
so i guess in a sense yeah, but i would think more there is monitoring
empty wren
this is how ive always structured my files
what is differnce between vendors and reosoucres
pale sigil
vendors is stuff like bootstrap
or js ive used thats not made by me
resources is my stuff
pale sigil
More its best to store css and js locally then call it in via a public link
like bootstrap for example you can download or point your site to its directory
empty wren
hmm, i wish i could understand some of that terminology
empty wren
yeah
pale sigil
or a ftb link
<link rel="stylesheet" href="https://stackpath.bootstrapcdn.com/bootstrap/4.5.0/css/bootstrap.min.css" integrity="sha384-9aIt2nRpC12Uk9gS9baDl411NQApFmC26EwAOH8WgZl5MYYxFfc+NcPb1dKGj7Sk" crossorigin="anonymous">```BOOTSTRAP for example
i prefer to do it locally so in my case it would be
<link rel="stylesheet" href="mydir/css.css">
oh i just overthought it
yeah i get what you mean now
in fact i had trouble with linking stuff in html to libraries so i decided to do it locally
pale sigil
if that site went down a lot of sites will be borked xD
empty wren
yeah i hate that
i had this library which i exploited a bug from to create a feature on my site
and i was lucky my teammate saved an old copy of it, because otherwise the feature would be broken
@misty pier any plans for next years coding classes
@pale sigil
pale sigil
Im terrible at JS
I literally just use most free shit out there
xD
im mostly css and html
front end
misty pier
i might take a database class
pale sigil
alright any idea what of developer you want to be
I know you weren't asking me but for myself i wanna do front end freelance one day, after some experience in a normal workplace.
empty wren
ah okay, i love js because here the rivescript which bot speech langauge sucks at my putting js i cannot refer back to replies without f***** up dialouge into errors
pale sigil
i made our bot in discordjs
Mostly by reading everything possible but discord js is a lot easier to use
empty wren
yeah i did see that. the error you saw in the terminal was for a toggle. Basically the library i used was for speech recognition and i wanted the user to be able to toggle it on and off. Apparently api does not like the idea of a off state and when nothing is put in quotations it still continues to other dialogue in the conversation. So basically made it error out the dialouge instead so it would be quiet when the toggle was off
i made our bot in discordjs
mostly from scratch?
i might take a database class
i made two database projects last year and they were fun
pale sigil
Ye from scratch
empty wren
damn
pale sigil
My first attempt was BAD
Lol
Then i redid it with the experience of the first one
And the tag system was done by Tony (allows us to make custom commands via a command)
empty wren
wait you can generate commands without coding them?
pale sigil
My own server
empty wren
ah okay
empty wren
well at least you own it
pale sigil
And Amazons free tier is garbo
empty wren
i was to use it, but i ended just compiling stuff locally
pale sigil
im paying like $5 a month which is nothing to run a bunch of sites, databases and a few bots.
I cant complain 😄
empty wren
that sounds like a deal
empty wren
well for a bots and simple sites seems pretty great
pale sigil
ye
empty wren
do you use windows?
crimson wigeon
Deving on Windows is a pain.. heh, guess that's why WSL exists
empty wren
i know that
python runs on linux, android can only be built on linux unless you buy a mac, a bunch of systems run on linux
ashen spindle
depends, I love C# and VS so I dont need linux :p
empty wren
oh yeah that is right we have visual code studio
crimson wigeon
Yeah if you stay in the MS ecosystem it can be quite pleasant however
fair gull
i dev for linux/win and its easy
never had issues
with both vs and vsc
the only issue was my remote root
but local server and vm worked fine
crimson wigeon
For me the biggest pain is C & C++ stuff, it's a lot more pleasant to cross compile for Windows in Linux than compile for Windows in Windows
crimson wigeon
Especially if it requires dependencies because there isn't really much of a handy package manager
and then having to manually get all the paths right
Or when the amazing build system CMake just doesn't detect MSVC for some reason that's fun
ashen spindle
well thats why you just use VS and not cmake at all :p
crimson wigeon
I'd rather not reinvent the wheel for both systems
ashen spindle
yes
crimson wigeon
Yeah especially when ooh I just want that small component and then bam it depends on like half of all the things in the installer ok
pale sigil
Ye...
I use vscode, afaik you can do the same but you add them via the store?
or something
crimson wigeon
Code is good
ashen spindle
I use VS for everything and on a pc so large size doesnt matter to me
pale sigil
I mean
fair gull
@ashen spindle actually would use cmake projects and actually did
pale sigil
I have lots of space i just dont want a program using many GBs for basic use
fair gull
windows offers tons of headers that pmuch have the same function with different implementations
if u wnt an actuall crossplatform proj these days ud go rust not c
crimson wigeon
Yeah and spend weeks compiling all those gorillion crates heheheh
fair gull
i use vs for all thing c/cpp and solution based like asp.net core
everything else is done in vscode
crimson wigeon
Does Rust have a decent GUI toolkit yet or is it still just GTK
fair gull
who does gui these days lol
crimson wigeon
I do for some of my shitty hackapps that I want to be crossplatform
fair gull
not much of a gui guy mainly cause i suck at designing guis
pale sigil
And this is where front end comes in
😄
well in web and some other stuff
and thats whati wanna do
crimson wigeon
Luckily these hackapps I only make for my own use and thus don't care if the interfaces look like ass
fair gull
creativity i have enough
fair gull
but the patience to realise it in software no
websites are childplay
try using GTK
ull want to scrape out ur eyes and brain
crimson wigeon
Try win32 without any of the frameworks
fair gull
lets be real no one does that
ashen spindle
if they refresh mid range and only release new zen4 stuff on high end it might be a smart move, but rip people who wanted a 3600 equivalent
zenith sonnet
What do you mean by '3600 equivalent?'
ashen spindle
zen 3 cpu in that price range, that performs as well as the higher chips for gaming basically
the 3600 has insane value for its price
zenith sonnet
3300X matches it in most workloads/games
ashen spindle
yes but it came out far after the zen2 launch
ashen spindle
so on zen3 launch a 4600 is much more likely to be there than a 4300
zenith sonnet
I wouldn't recommend it over the 3600 if budget isn't tight
Or, wait, you meant something like a '3650X'?
ashen spindle
no, I meant they might release those as mid-range cpus, thena bit later new zen4 cpus, but only high end, so 4800x, 4900x, 4950x
zenith sonnet
Would make a lot of sense
ashen spindle
yeah, but then rip to the people who wanted a 4600 :p
zenith sonnet
AMD has enough issues as is getting enough volume
ashen spindle
shouldnt be the case, apple moved to 5nm so 7nm has more capacity to a degree and they were able to buy a lot more wafers
and its not like zen3 takes more space than zen2
zenith sonnet
Did Apple ever use 7nm EUV?
I read about it being a process specifically developed for AMD
zenith sonnet
There's N7, N7P and N7+, I think?
ashen spindle
yesnt
they have different libraries ontop of it so they basically just call in N7 for most of it
hard to specify
zenith sonnet
So, the 3850X might be a dual 3300X
That does away with the halved memory write performance when comparing single CCD with dual CCD Zen 2 CPUs
ashen spindle
its said to be 4+4 yeas
zenith sonnet
And then the 3750X might be a dual 3100
Or, they're a 'test run' for the new process?
ashen spindle
doubt it
young flicker
4950X pls.
crimson wigeon
4990X plz
zenith sonnet
That would be the dream
ashen spindle
4999X 
misty pier
sounds expensive now
zenith sonnet
Sounds like a super-binned 4990X hitting 5.0 GHz all-core at 480W
I'm sure someone has a use for that
misty pier
that's a lot of juice
sick creek
That’s a space heater
ashen spindle
yeah now imagine LN2 with that
shadow minnow
@young flicker good name 
ashen spindle
if they keep the trend it will be 4990 for the 4990x :p
young flicker
@shadow minnow Thanks. 🙂
ashen spindle
yeah idk how its apple pricing if there is about 0% style tax lol
misty pier
it feels weird looking on battlestations and seeing one of them with the famous cheese grater though
young flicker
The cheese grater?
crimson wigeon
That Mac Pro
young flicker
Ah.
misty pier
the one where a set of wheels can set you back the amount that.. could purchase a high end graphics card 🗿
young flicker
Those products are intended for corpos and they’ll drop that money in a heartbeat.
ashen spindle
sure, better long term storage and still a lot cheaper
misty pier
heard people are telling you to stay away from them since most of them get shipped with SMR
ashen spindle
also can be in higher density
misty pier
yeah i just need a drive to dump things that i don't mind losing stuff on
ashen spindle
yeah just look at the latest backblaze report on HDD failures and get one that seems reliable
young flicker
They absolutely will. I briefly worked for a sub-contractor of Herman Miller installing office furniture - cubicles, desks, stuff like that. A single mesh chair that used probably $50 worth of material, tops, was over $7k. The equivalent from a regular office supply store would be a few hundred. These weren't even massive companies I was working in, either. At least in America corporations have so much money that it's literally disgusting.
Desks were $15,000+. I mean they were nice desks but nowhere near that nice.
ashen spindle
yeah herman miller are expensive, but they are also somewhat having a monopoly
some are surely something you can get from ikea but not ever model
ashen spindle
sadly thats a bit too far away from my .net
fair gull
i guess i have no choice but to ask on stackoverflow
ashen spindle
the forbidden knowledge
fair gull
yikes VW
and yet not the best german car
plus i have rarely seen one in nature here in germany
misty pier
i like the modern golfs
but i love hatchbacks in general
heh yeah my credit score is too low
fair gull
its golf mk2 or bust
misty pier
nothing that DIY work can't fix anyways
fair gull
was about to say "u dont need to pmuch all car mechanics know these inside out"
but
ure not from germany so
misty pier
with youtube you have enough knowledge
misty pier
people in the states love their big block v8s 🗿
fair gull
idk new cars all look shit imo
misty pier
2 dollars a gallon is pretty cheap yes
but i only see the gas station once a week because of how fuel efficient my car is
ashen spindle
I used to see it twice a day
because when I wasnt in home office my train would pass by one 
young flicker
- Laughs in 392 cubic inch 6.4 liter HEMI. *
misty pier
my friend's cousin has that
fair gull
purely for the availability of parts
misty pier
he sold his e46 for some unknown reason
misty pier
one day i'll probably get a wrx
fair gull
id just get an ae86 to have a nice annoying ping sound at 100kmh
wheat plume
fair gull
the gti mk5 has shit interior tho
ashen spindle
@fair gull or a certain subaru model to beat the guy who got the ae86 as a meme
fair gull
bruh i wouldnt buy a car and call seats the interior
my employer drove an mk5 for years
i hated that thing
good he sold it
misty pier
leather bad, cloth good
young flicker
Upgrade to that white leather: https://www.allpar.com/photos/dodge/challenger-srt8/charger-event/392-seats.jpg
wheat plume
All cars best the interior of my car -.-
Nothing will stick to the shitty plastic on the dash
misty pier
can't imagine cleaning those seats
fair gull
id say the golf gti in general isnt much of a tuner compared to a fuck ton of other cars
iconic doesnt mean good
young flicker
For me it's all preventative, I don't have to do anything special except hit them with some stuff for the leather when I do clean them.
fair gull
otherwise the trabant was the bitch back then
people had to wait months to get one
and it was still shit
misty pier
wonder what you guys think about the focus rs
young flicker
The Focus RS is a beast.
I test drove one while I was shopping for a car and it was a monster.
fair gull
was that the one with the rs in the tacho
idk man bmw and audi have better interior
maybe not in the cheap cars cause who even buys those except poort people
and families
misty pier
i mean the interior is replaceable
the powerplant is what most people tend to look at too
fair gull
@misty pier shush
misty pier
👀
fair gull
otherwise hell not buy a gti
hell get a good car and only gti seats then
less money for my country
so shhhh
again eh
id say a touran is a shit ton more practical than a golf
especially since i like driving that when my boss gives me the keys
or a nice caddy
best 2 cars vw makes
ah
ure one of those
compensating for something
instead of getting smth actually practical
ya gl transporting lets say a kyocera copying maschine with that
poor dog
misty pier
i wish subaru still made a wrx hatch
fair gull
bruh if u remove it ur dog can literally just jump over
whats the point then
i dont get why people buy a car to be "cool" and have a status symbol
all i get from this convo is ure a douchebag
but then again
replacing the dog is cheaper than the car
u buy a car for needs
nothing else
its a tool
but i guess if ur car breaks u have a mental breakdown
wondering how ur life will carry on
having temporarily lost ur one and only
cause its their hobby
so its their need
and if u look at those cars
they dont
look nice inside
cause looking nice = weight = slow
fair gull
like i have never seen a tuner that goes for perf be like "man i wanna go fast but have the bling inside"
they literally remove everything inside but the driver seat
if possible even most of the dash
to replace it with custom stuff
plus theyd prob go for stick shift not automatic
young flicker
In high performance cars auto is faster.
young flicker
Also you're talking about a whole different level, like comparing someone with a Threadripper to someone who wants a decent 3600 to play games.
fair gull
that ive seen that is
ya hes the guy tho that tries to make the 3600 his image in the gaming community
young flicker
There is a reason all of the super cars have auto with paddles at most.
fair gull
cough koenigsegg 1 gear
young flicker
Nice one example.
fair gull
thats like
why even make stick shift or auto
if u can just not do anything
idk man i could never put a dumb car above my cats/a dog if i had a dog
id just let him sit wherever and just clean it up
like a sane person
the same way i dont put my pc above my pets
young flicker
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this dude has no idea what he's talking about.
fair gull
BRUH
lol
ya ok
vacuum cleaner good bye
never have time to clean car
sad times
the only time ive seen a dirty car from a dog was a friend of mine who doesnt really clean her car
literally hair everywhere
air, dash, floor, seats, boot
sit down once ure now officially a dog
most people i know either use a trailer with dog cages or passenger seat
so?
i guess germany is different then
dont see how its safer in the boot cause if u crash u crash
yes
and safety was not my concern
idk how poor britains roadsafety is
cant really give a comment on it
literally
a product
the same way theres trailers for live fish
and pmuch any other animal
like i said i dont see how
sorry germany is known for animal cruelty
forgot
why not heated and all
nice and cozy
fresh air
lol said the guy whos buying a status symbol
and prob cries when the repair costs 2 arms and a dick
young flicker
From what I've seen I think dude is just autistic, and I don't mean that as an insult.
fair gull
ah yes
the good old argument
at least i admitted i dont get how u 2 can value a car as a status symbol
cars are tools
so are pmuch all other things
that have some function
like tvs
pcs
actual tools
scredrivers
whatnot
na ure just stuck up in ure "status symbol" world of showing how wealthy u are
young flicker
Like I said, not an insult just an observation based on past interactions.
fair gull
having to preverse some image that just does not exist in the way u thing it does
and im not autistic according to my psychiatrist
just so u know
the same way i could uphold some image of me being someone who i am not
ill tell u what i think
what i know
why would i uphold an image when i can just be me without worrying about some image
i prob will never know why people try to have some image that they can present to others when in reality they are smth completely different
young flicker
Nobody is talking about an image man, it's called not being a condescending prick for no reason.
fair gull
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young flicker
Anyway, I'm out, have fun with this "conversation."
pale sigil
Can we not argue
reef patrol
Everytime someone argues, Calder delays Lekker news by one galactic day.
young flicker
No worries man, and no offense but it wasn't really about backing you up it was about this dude just being wrong and being an ass about it. "Pretty cars are slow" and all that jazz. It's a personal preference, he didn't share yours, that should have been the end of it. And if he needs to be explicitly told that my reply about an image was clearly in response to him talking about his image when taken in context then he really is autistic and he needs a new psychiatrist.
My apologies to everyone.
empty wren
Anybody here like muscle cars?
reef patrol
I like the look of them. I don't like the sound or enviromental effect 😄
empty wren
yeah i agree with that first and thirdpoint
like they look so fierce espeically the upaated dodge models
reef patrol
Also a slight detail about the ability to turn 😄
But yeah - I love those car restoration shows on Discovery and such.
empty wren
Also a slight detail about the ability to turn 😄
that reminds me there is an electric car capable of doing a tank turn
young flicker
I've got a Challenger so I guess you could say I like muscle cars. 😛 It won't corner well on a track but it does just fine on the roads we have around here.
empty wren
nice, is it the one of the updated versions that have a light strip on the back
empty wren
But yeah - I love those car restoration shows on Discovery and such.
there is a channel i cannot recall of right a guy fixed a car at the clunker junkyard with a little money into something nice looking
young flicker
It's the Inaugural Edition, the white one with electric blue stripes: https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/jpg/201104/dodge-challenger-srt-6.jpg
hardy idol
i dont like that rear light ngl
chrome estuary
ngl I'd like a challenger or I rally would've liked this Ford Focus Hatchback i found but I got a nice 2009 Impala
hardy idol
mhm
empty wren
to me it is just there are boxes or round polygons of lights and the light strip looks like a fresh breath on the new dodge mark cars
young flicker
I love it, that's what matters. 🙂
empty wren
does it run well still?
young flicker
This is the front and side: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rdw2rt8m9lQ/maxresdefault.jpg
Again not my picture but my exact car.
empty wren
oh not only that the challenger or even the hellcat or demon are so wide
hardy idol
young flicker
Compared to some cars sure but it's actually not that wide. Now, they do make extra wide versions.
empty wren
Compared to some cars sure but it's actually not that wide. Now, they do make extra wide versions.
what even wider wow
that color looks classy violet
young flicker
Yeah, I believe it's the Scat Pack and possibly only the convertible version.
young flicker
Funny part is that it's an "American muscle" car but it's built in Ontario lmao.
young flicker
^ Because it's older and well taken care of.
(About the Challenger) It's also the only modern muscle car I can think of.
Mustangs are pony cars.
empty wren
(About the Challenger) It's also the only modern muscle car I can think of.
camaro is too
hardy idol
well the paintwork isn't 100%, it has minor rust on the rear left fender. I need to replace the grille. I recently lost the rear covering plate for the tow hitch and inside theres damage to the rear left interior pillar and theres small damage to the left of the gauge cluster in the dash. and the glove box doesnt align 100%
young flicker
@empty wren The Camaro is a pony car as well.
hardy idol
and it has a backlash on the diff, I guess because there's something not tightened to 100
young flicker
Like the Mustang they both have big, powerful motors but they're made to be okay on a track.
Versus the Challenger which isn't lol.
hardy idol
oh and small rust under the trunk lid
young flicker
Not bad at all for a 30 year old car.
hardy idol
inside the trunk the plastic broke and one of the indicators has a crack through it.
yeah i guess
empty wren
that sounds like a lot to deal with
hardy idol
yeah but on the other hand I bought it for 5k
the guy was a W201 enthusiast too and he had bought a 2.3-16V to replace the 2.3 so i could buy that one
empty wren
hmm sounds like a fair price for that
i personally do not know much about the repair of cars, but last week I did help my did fix the door lock mechanisms.
also that mercedes symbol, they do not make them anymore like that do they?
empty wren
yeah
empty wren
yeah they moved in line with the grille version
hardy idol
one of our customers
have S65
They are brothers and they both have Coupe, cabrio and limousine of the S65
bought his wife a G class
idk they rich
one car of theirs is worth more than my life
empty wren
you said you like boxy cars so what your opinion on this
hardy idol
on what
empty wren
empty wren
well they cut some of the angles
hardy idol
like the shape is but the rest isnt
and its hideous
i thought you were going to send a land rover
I hate land rovers
hardy idol
i recently started to see an FJ40 cruising around in our area
:D
such cool cars
not really beautiful but
theyre funky
empty wren
i think i saw that last one somewhere, and are these supercar sedans or something
hardy idol
That last one is a GT R Stirling Moss I did
but that was on my macbook so 1 year ago
the other ones are more recent
GT73s most recent, then gemera shooting brake, then i8 touring
but i think i need to redo the the GT73s exhaust as it's the exhaust taken off the concept but it doesnt look as good as i wanted
empty wren
wait you drew all these?
hardy idol
empty wren
those all look pretty cool to me
hardy idol
Did you know BMW sucks
they cant even get their background right
I fixed it in my version
empty wren
well i heard they have nice brakes
hardy idol
mhm and bad indicators
empty wren
i cannot speak for anything else
hardy idol
😉
Here you have one
notice anything
?
look near the windshield
you'll notice it fairly quickly
empty wren
😂 sorry i am not sure what i am looking for
hardy idol
oh
its the first thing that hurt my eyes when i saw the configurator
I had configured the i8 for the sketch
and idk why but its so ew
That
it disappointed me more than the speaker engine sound
empty wren
hmm i did not see that on the image you sent
empty wren
wait are you sure it is on the configurator
empty wren
how did that slip them up
hardy idol
?
empty wren
the line
empty wren
sedans these days mostly look the same and i am not a fan of it
hardy idol
mhm I like estates
hardy idol
my dad had a pre facelift W212 E220d
then one day we wanted a different car because yeah new cars here are expensive (also in taxes and if you drive them commercially)
He has driven diesel mostly and we ended up choosing a 2003 W211 E270 (diesel 5cyl) with 99k km (youngtimer at that time (15 years old is cheaper in running costs/taxes etc))
then one year later there were zones in cities that didnt want diesel cars and they started higher environment taxes
So we decided to do the next logical thing
For very environmentally friendly reasons, we now own a 2004 S211 E500 (5.0L N/A V8) and its running costs are actually less.
it's faster, but it's super fucking reliable
@empty wren and nah ill skip on that donk
the size of the engine just shouts environmentally friendly
empty wren
looks like they thought about the design under the hood looks really good
never knew that about mercedes
the size of the engine just shouts environmentally friendly
empty wren
was the oil capacity higher?
hardy idol
oil?
empty wren
well honestly nevermind that may irrelevant if the newer car is more efficent